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I'll avoid spoilers but I can say that yes, things go super sideways when people treat dragons like they're F16 jets. This is the calm before the storm.
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Of the claimed dragons we have: Caraxes, Daemon’s mount Syrax, Rhaenyra’s mount Vermax, Jace’s mount Moondancer, Baela’s mount Meleys, Rhaenys’s mount Sunfyre, Aegon’s mount Vhagar, Aemond’s mount Dreamfyre, Helaena’s mount (but she doesn’t ride) Tessarion, Daeron’s mount (Alicent’s youngest son) On Dragonstone we have some unclaimed dragons: Seasmoke (used to be Laenor’s) Vermithor Silverwing Two wild dragons: Cannibal Sheepstealer Stormcloud and Tyraxes are baby dragons that belong to 2 of Rhaenyra’s youngest sons
Harrenhal is a haunted castle. It was the place in the pilot episode where they showed King Jaeherys, the Concilliator, making Viserys Targaryen the heir or next king before he passed. It's also the same place where Jace's and Luke's father, Hardwin Strong and his father were killed by Larys Strong by fire. I think the weirwood trees are part of why it's haunted too.
@@Taewills I guess because it's the largest castle in Westeros that could hold the Great Council and all the people deciding who would rule after Jaeherys.
i think in the first season, they point out the place was cursed from the first stone laid, probably because it has a strong tie to the spirits and the weirwood trees and such, so it's not haunted exactly, more of a spiritual conduit, or place of power
@@DynomitePunch it’s haunted bc of the atrocities committed on holy land. Much like the indigenous burial ground trope in scary stories. Alys didn’t go into the atrocities (we book readers know) but think of it as priorities were placed in industrialism & conquest rather than honoring a sanctified space. When this conduit, as you put it, merges with unsettled souls ppl describe the odd happenings as haunted.
Mason can rest assured he’s not missing anything about Harrenhal from s1. The castle is supposedly haunted/cursed which is why you get that unsettling vibe. Daemon’s having visions, and yes when he woke he was standing next to a Weirwood Tree.
It's where in Season1 Ep1 King Jahaerys held the council that made Viserys king, that's why the banners are still there (I think they are trying to symbolize how far House Targaryen has deteriorated)
Right. It's just the place that Larys Strong had his brother, the true father of Rhaenyra's first three children, and his father, the Hand of the King, burned alive, in their own home, to "help" Allicent.
If only Rhaenys had been queen instead of Viserys. She's the only person giving Rhaenyra good advice rn and she also knows how to handle the men around Rhaenyra. She would be a very effective hand to the queen.
I think they butchered her character and made her into a hypocritical clown with that scene last season where her dragon burst out and probably killed hundreds of peasants, and then she just flew away without stopping the war by roasting Aegon. Now all of her "avoid bloodshed" advice makes no sense because we saw that she thought nothing of killing all those people. At least they acknowledged it through that line Daemon says to her.
Harrenhall is considered cursed. It was built by slave labor by Harren the Black whi mixed their blood into the mortar. The castle took 40 years to build, and was completed on the day Aegon and his sisters arrived in Westeros. When Aegon came to claim the castle, Harren laughed at him and said stone didn't burn. He, his family, and all the servants hid inside. Aegon had Balerion breathe fire all over it, cooking everyone inside. Anyone who ever gets custody of Harrenhall usually dies horribly. It was a running joke on GoT. Because the place is in disrepair, the roots of the godswood have gotten into the castle. The castle is next to a large lake called the God's Eye. In the lake is an island known as the Isle of Faces, where it's believed some of the few remaining children of the forest live (the original inhabitants of Westeros). So it's a spooky spot for multiple reasons.
Daemon's count is completely irrelevant at this point. First, he was counting a lot of unclaimed and even wild dragons for which riders would first need to be found. Second, Rhaenyra has some very young dragons barely of fighting size or not even that (and one of them already died with Luke). At this particular moment the sides are actually quite evenly matched. Vhagar, Sunfyre and Tessarion for the Greens (Dreamfyre is unusable since Helaena essentially never rides). Syrax, Caraxes, Meleys, Vermax, Moondancer for the Blacks. With Vhagar being a megaton nuke, Tessarion and Vermax very young and Moondancer only just large enough to ride, it's very even.
elden ring vibes :D also I actually loved the scene where young Rhaenyra says to Daemon " always coming and going arent you? And I have to clean up afterwards"
Fr I love that they actually gave the horror element to Harrenhall. Something we clearly missed in GOT. I noticed when Daemon came to Harrenhall we can hear an army's screaming sounds along with horses marching (probably reference to Aegon blasting the castle with soldiers inside). It's very subtle so I don't think someone noticed.
Yes Mason. Those are the trees from game of thrones. That castle is supposed to be haunted. Thats why its so eerie. Oh and a stranger telling you that you're gonna die there doesn't help 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Guys I think you forgot that when Viserys died and Alicent came to the council, they were already hard at work usurping the throne 😅nobody cared what Viserys said or didn't say to Alicent on his deathbed....The fact that she came and claimed that Viserys named Aegon just saved Otto the hassle of getting Alicent on board 😃
Rhaenyra's disguise makes more sense when you think back to season 1 and the night she snuck out in boys' clothes for a night on the town with Daemon. You have to realize that most of the common people in the realm have NEVER seen her, except MAYBE from a distance in the jousting stadium (and remember they don't have binoculars). This is a place/setting where even art supplies are out of the reach of most commoners, so the idea that have even seen a painting of her is unlikely. More likely that most people's idea of what Rhaenyra and any other members of the court look like goes back, again, to season 1 when she saw how she was depicted to the smallfolk in that play. Honestly, since the guys in the family get to go out to the taverns (and the brothels) to drink and carouse and be seen, more of the smallfolk know what THEY look like, and have a lot less of idea of what the women in family look like. They know Rhaenyra has white hair and violet eyes, because all the Targaryens do. But if she throws on a septa's wimple (a nun's head covering) and keeps her eyes down, she can easily blend in. Not until she speaks with her proper grammar and posh court accent would anyone know any better.
I hope ppl remember that it was Aegon who teased Aemond 1st when they was kids about the not having a dragon by giving him a pig which in turn he got the biggest dragon & the kids fight & aemond lose his eye
Sadly people have misinterpreted this episode a lot, I've seen lots of comments on how this episode was boring, how the last scene was dumb, how the nudity was unneeded when in both these scenes it made complete sense (funny how nobody complains when there's full frontal nudity for women but when it's men GOD FORBID!), bodyshaming Aemond's actor... It's sad really. Commentators and reactors, including you guys, have been saving this fandom for me.
Weirwood trees are the tie to the magic of the Children of the Forest. The magic of the realm. What Bran/Three Eyed Raven used to see... why Melisandre had more power in the North than the South (where the trees are not)... etc. They are MAGIC. And that woman is Alys Rivers, a bastard of House Strong, who is "rumored" to be a witch.
The eggs that were sent with Rhaena to Pentose are the three dragons that Daenerys has in Game of Thrones. That’s not what happened in the books but the directors confirmed they changed this to connect the two shows. Harrenhal (castle daemon went to) is historically haunted/cursed. It was destroyed by a dragon as soon as it was built. Daemons dream (brought on by being in the cursed castle) was a reminder of the atrocities that he played a hand in committing during the Targaryen civil war. He wakes up by a Wierwood tree. Wierwood Trees are sacred spaces where ancient magic still lingers. They're places of contemplation, connection with the Old Gods, and sometimes, eerie visions.
That's ONLY what the showrunner says, but it's NOT TRUE canon. Helaena's dragon, Dreamfyre, is the mother of Dany's dragons. They were stolen by a Pirate 50 years earlier and traded hands overseas. Just like GoT, the Showrunners intend to ruin canon. I refuse to participate. I will go with the ACTUAL writer, thanks.
@@courtneylconover80 Did you really feel the need to say all that even though the original comment already explained that it's not book canon and show only? Jesus Christ. It's people like you that give us bookreaders a bad name. So insufferable. It's an ADAPTION. Not an exact play by play plus the source material is unreliable as well since we don't have any actual first hand accounts. Bet you're fun at parties.
@@courtneylconover80 I say this as a book lover: The book is NOT canon. I’m sick of seeing this “argument.” George R. R. Martin himself has said Blood and Fire is not an accurate account of what happened in The Dance. It is second/third/fourth hand knowledge written in the form of a history book (and of course textbooks and ancient historical tellings have NEVER been wrong 🙄) and is clearly told from a heavily biased “Team Green” authorship. George has also given his thorough approval of the show. Again, NONE of this is canon. Not the books, not the show. If you actually listened to George’s interviews as a supposed book lover, you would know that. If you love the books and hate the show so much, why are you A. Watching the show and B. On a REACTION CHANNEL that is WATCHING THE SHOW? I love the books and this universe but I’m embarrassed at this point to be associated with the “book nerds” who clearly haven’t paid attention to WHAT THE AUTHOR HIMSELF has said and the constant whining, bitching and complaining. This show is phenomenal and I actually really like the different interpretation of certain events that the show-runners have decided upon. If it’s good enough for Mr. Martin, it’s good enough for me. Going on a rant because dragon Y laid Dany’s future eggs instead of Dragon X is such a STUPID and INCONSEQUENTIAL thing to throw a tantrum over. And frankly the decision actually makes more sense considering how the story turns out.
Let me stipulate I refer to the character, not the most excellent actor : Contrary to Princess Rhaenys - I blame Criston Cole for everything. He encouraged the fighting of the young heirs in S1 that led to the loss of Aemond’s eye, which instigated the confrontation leading to the death of Luke; which triggered the retribution that resulted in the murder of an innocent child; which directed the foolish plan to take out Rhaenyra laying charge to the senseless death of Erryk and Arryk and subsequently produced the dismissal of the ,evil but wise, Hand of the King We don’t have to talk about Cole’s dereliction of duty; slander, delusion and hypocrisy
No. You have to first fault Rhaenys. For CORRUPTING Criston Cole by taking his virginity (yes he was also her first but she was the blood royal Princess. So the breakup meant nothing to her as she always got her way). And then abandoning him when she was done taking her pleasures with him. So many ppl overlook this fact. He was truly an honorable man and knight until Rhaenys tempted him. And became very broken when she discarded him like a dress she no longer wanted to wear. Then gave up on life before Alicent rescued him from killing himself. Then extremely bitter man by start of S2...
The self-righteous Cole allowed his angst against Rhaenyra influence Alicent's boys. While training them he promoted a rivalry with their cousins. His inexplicable issues with Hugh and his continued disdain for Rhaenyra was passed on to the youth (similar to the way bigotry is passed to children, today)
@@evahofbauer5939 During S2 after Rhaenys dumped him. There's a particularly vicious scene in the courtyard where the kids would train for battle. Which led to Aemon trying to steal the biggest dragon. And Lucius (Rhaenys youngest bastard son) ending up taking out Aemon's eye. Aemon hated Lucius ever since. Again at that final family dinner. Where the King begged them not to fight each other as he was dying. Criston Cole made a point of pitting the King & Alicent's 2 sons against their Valerian/Targarian cousins. Especially their half cousins (the 2 brunette boys who were really bastards as everyone in the court knew but didn't dare publicly accuse Rhaenys of). It's the reason why Aemon killed Lucius end S2. And why the realm is at war now in S3.
The problem I have with Rhaenyra going to KL is that she had no peace terms to offer. When you’re entering a negotiation for peace and you’ve already rejected peace terms from the greens, you should at least bring a counter offer. More importantly, it seems glaringly obvious at this point that war is inevitable, especially now that Aegon’s son is dead. If the Green Council didn’t care about whether Viserys wanted Aegon on the throne or not, why on earth would they care about it now when blood has already been shed? The only person who ever gave a crap about his dying words was Alicent, Aegon was going to be king with or without her cooperation.
I think Rhaenyra was trying to appeal to her motherly side. They're both mothers who lost sons through no fault of their own. But of course Alicent is doubling down (although you could argue when she says it's too late, she means "Look...at this point my son is straight up looking for blood, and if I tell him that 'Hey...so uh....your dad wasn't talking about you when he died....soooooo...yeah' then shit is really going to go down". And of course that just gives Rhaenyra even MORE reason to start setting shit on fire. Just my opinion honestly
@@CrazyGamerTVY I get what rhaenyra was trying to do, I just think it’s silly. Alicent was right in telling her that it’s too late and she outlined all the reasons why. Viserys himself could rise up from hell to tell everyone that Rhaenyra should be Queen and it wouldn’t change the fact that Aegon’s son is dead as is Rhaenyra’s. There’s no peaceful resolution, and she didn’t even offer any terms either.
@@hali_55 very true. Have to exhaust every option you can if it means avoiding a war. And it honestly doesn't help that Otto didn't want Rhaenyra in the first place. Such a shitty situation.
I agree. I think Rhaenyra is being really naive to think peace is still a possibility (not to mention, that Alicent would be able to help achieve it), especially when she takes insanely risky actions like this. Hopefully that meeting helped her see the truth.
As King Viserys said, "when dragons fought dragons, all the world came to ash" (referring Valyria) so yes, dragon war is one factor to the Targaryen decline. But another prominent one is actually that the Dragonpit exists where they are "housed". It is explained in lore that the Targaryen dragons required far more space and freedom than the pit gave them and the longer they stayed there the lesser they became. Less big, less fierce, physically underdeveloped in ways due to cramped accomodations so much so that it led to Tywin's famous line in GoT when Joffrey is worried about Dany's dragons. "When I was Hand of the King to your father's predecessor (mad king Aerys), the skulls of all the Targaryen dragons were kept in this room, the skull of the last of them was right here. It was the size of an apple!"
Rhaenys is not saying that Rhaeneyra permitted the murder. She is saying the way other people see it, is that even if she didn’t know it happened, under her authority, meaning she is still liable, because she is responsible for the people who follow her. Like how Alicent didn’t want or ask for luke to be killed, because it was done by her son, the black followers would say it was permitted by alicent.
Haelena has the visions and she sketches some all over her walls. I saw a video breaking down all the sketches. It was amazing. Also, dude in tge tavern is probably a bastard. Targaryen and Valeryon bastards are called "dragon seeds". They will play a part in the war and i cant wait. They aren't showing specific "small folk" for no reason. The new kingsguards are Aegon's buddies. He was drinking with them last episode. Ir tge one b4 that i forget.
Count of dragons: DRAGONS OF TEAM GREEN: [claimed] Vhagar ->rider: Aemond Sunfire ->rider: Aegon II Dreamfire ->rider: Helaena Tessarion ->rider: Daeron (Alicent youngest son but still the dragon is big enough to fight) DRAGONS OF TEAM RED: [claimed] Caraxes ->rider: Daemon Syrax ->rider: Rhaenyra Meleys ->rider: Rhaenys Vermax ->rider: Jacaerys Moondancer ->rider: Baela Tyraxes ->rider: Joffrey (the dragon is a hatchling sent to the Vale) Stormcloud ->rider: Aegon III (the dragon is a hatchling sent to the Vale) [unclamed] (they live on dragonstone but are riderless) Vermithor (seen in ep 10 of season 1 with Daemon) Seasmoke (previusly ridden by Laenor who escaped to essos) Silverwing [wild] Sheepstealer Cannibal (Biggest dragon alive) Gray ghost +eggs (three of the four eggs sent with Rhaena,Joffrrey,Aegon III and Viserys to the Vale are the eggs that Daenerys will hatch).
Cannibal is the biggest dragon alive? I thought that was vhager and I thought vermithor was bigger than the cannibal as well feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
@@AceroKarina228 well in the books it's never said explicitly so it's a bit of a debate, here it's what we know: the cannibal was already on Dragonstone when the first Targaryen arrived escaping from Valyria so about the age we can say he is older then Vagar so the oldest alive, we don't know if he is older even then Balerion so that's that for the age. We know that the size of dragons is influenced by three things and in order of importance we have: freedom, genetics (species, parents), diet (and obviously age) given this information and given that 1 the cannibal has never been tamed so he has always been free roaming, 2 he eats other dragons, 3 he was fierce enough to make the settlement of the first Targaryen in Dragonstone problematic, we can safely assume that he is bigger than Vagar, maybe bigger even than Balerion but that I'm less confident about. That is pretty much it, as I said it's never established clearly in the books so really I'm speculating but given the information that we can find that seems the most reasonable outcome. I really do hope that we get to see him and given the fact that the director said we will see 17 dragons we should see all the dragons in the list, however we must consider that we had Arrax that died but he counts and possibly a future dragon for Rhaena so actually we may have two dragons in the list that won't be seen.
Dear Mason Quinn; You didn’t have to watch Season 1 multiple times to know that Daemon was headed to Harrenhall, it was mentioned more than once in the past two episodes. The mysterious woman is Alice Rivers who may or may not be a witch.
Just to clarify, Alicent's misunderstanding of Viserys last words isn't what caused the war. The council were already going to push for Aegon to be king with or without Viserys' blessing. Alicent also found this out after she told them of what she heard and they didn't seem to care. And of course now she has even less power to push for Rheanyra even if she wanted to.
Yeah, it's good that you pointed this out, because it's constantly overlooked that Alicent's actions weren't really relevant here. Particularly since so many viewers are harping on her being a 'liar.' The show has very clearly landed on it being a misinterpretation of an old man's dying words. At no point did Alicent lie about this.
Alicent never had the power to stop all this, she is just deluding herself that she did. They didn't usurp the throne _because_ Alicent said Viserys changed his mind. Remember, in episode 9 last season, when she walked into the council room she found out that Otto and the others had been planning this for MONTHS without her knowledge. They were going to usurp the throne no matter what, and Otto even ordered the Lord Commander of the Kingsguard to take his knights to Dragonstone and kill her. He refused to break his oath and resigned on the spot (that's how Cole ended up with the job). The only thing that saying "Viserys changed his mind" ACTUALLY changed was it gave the council's action more legitimacy and gave a few more Houses a better excuse for breaking their oaths. The rest folded under intimidation or they were imprisoned. Alicent NEVER had the power to change this, and any influence she had over her sons or Cole is long gone.
In response to Quinn, Castle Daemon claims is in Harrenhal, the largest Castle in Westeros, I remember in S2 of GOT it's where Arya Stark was held captive by Gregor 'The Mountain' & she served as cup bearer to Tywin Lannister, also good memory Quinn! You are correct about the Trees, they are shown in GOT & S1 of HOTD. Quinn's & Oak's reaction when they see Lord Larys in full on scheming mode 😄 & Quinn's line "Boss is here better get off our ass" when Guards see Cristen Cole 😆 & death of his son has completely changed Aegon & seeing his transformation into being bloodthirsty out for war & revenge. That scene between Alicent & Rhaenyra the dialogue was intensifying! & was good to hear Ice & Fire mentioned even if Alicent was lying through her teeth! Great stuff guys! ❤💚
I can never understand how people seem to not be capable of distinguishing reality from tv and movies. Like seriously. Death threats and hate msgs? It's the strangest shit ever. I remember Jeffrey Dean Morgan got death threats over the walking dead as if he did something to "Glen" for real.
Same, like he is not actually Criston Cole, leave the poor guy alone. The actor who played Joffrey got the same treatment. I feel like if an actor plays a villian so well that people can't separate the actor from the character, than that actor is one of the best.
Would have been hilarious if Daemon had slipped in those stairs when he arrived. Like all menacing and bold, and then slips down the stairs like Marv in Home Alone. WoOOp!!!!
Without spoiling anything for you guys for this current show, but the 4 Eggs that Rhaenyra sent with Rhaena and her babies, 3 of those end up becoming Dany's Dragons in GOT. (Thought fossilized at that time). It's a huge moment and shows how sad & devastating this entire war is goin to become in the coming episodes. Also Weirwood Trees is the name you're looking for Mason.
A banger of an episode, the two things that got to me the most are one THE TREE of course from the original Game of Thrones and two, seeing Milly again as a young Rhaenerys (although in a rather disturbing scene)... Keep it up guys!!!
Alicent's words doesn't matter the council is already plotting to put Aegon on the throne regardless of Viserys last words they only used it to add to their claim. The scene is mostly for Rhaenyra's vindication, that now she will go all out because her father never once denounced her and the greens clearly has no claim.
The Milly Alcock cameo was so great!! I can't wait to see who gets to ride the lonely seasmoke.. And am I the only one wishing Ser Criston Cole would of got burnt
It boggles my mind that there are so many people who are unable to separate the actor from the role. Jack Gleeson had to quite acting for *years* after portraying Joffrey, because he was getting death threats. It's appalling.
Harrenhal was finished the day Aegon the First landed in Westeros to begin his conquest, and with Balerion the Black dread he burned it to command the submission of the Iron Islands who ruled over so much more territory than they do post-conquest. The castle is so huge that no lord has been able to inhabit the entirety of it, and no one can pay the servants to keep the place up to shape. At the time of HotD, four houses have held the castle, plus a Targaryen Princess. It isn’t a good place to live, but everyone knows it’s a good place to set up an army and a foothold in the Riverlands. It’s where Tywin set up his army for a bit in GoT, and it’s where the Great Councils that determined Viserys was heir to the iron thrones was held. They show the castle in ruins simply hoping everyone knows the story already.
Harrenhall (the ruined castle) recap: - When Targaryens first overtook the Seven Kingdoms, the castle was burnt by dragonfire. - Season 1 ep 1 Viserys, Rhaenyra's dad, was voted to be the next king in the castle hall. - In season 1 Rhaenyra's lover Ser Strong was burned to death alongside his father. It was murder. The one behind it was his brother, Larys "The Footguy" Strong. Harrenhall was visited multiple times in Game of Thrones, for example Arya hiding under Tywin Lannister's nose, and Jamie and Brienne fought a bear there.
Yes the dragons got way involved which ended the targaryens. The show keeps referencing a dance of dragons which basically means 20 or so dragons are about to battle it out. If you recognize the eggs those will be the only that survive.
The weirwood trees used to be present all over Westeros as a part of the old religion (the old gods) as a connection to them and a place for prayer. When the new religion with the seven gods emerged in the south, they began chopping down the weirwood trees leaving only a few behind for example in the red keep, where Ned Stark is also seen in GoT
Yes, Harrenhal was a big part of GoT and season 1 of HotD. In season 1 of HotD, it was where Larys Strong had his brother, Ser Harwin Strong (Jace, Luke and Joffrey's true father), and father and hand of the king, Lord Lionel Strong, burned to death as a "favor" to Allicent. In GoT, it's where Arya, Gendry, and Hot Pie were taken after they taken by the Lannister army that was searching for Gendry, Robert's bastard. It was there that she met Jaqen Hagar (the faceless man) for the second time, and where she became a temporary cupbearer for Tywin Lannister. Before the fire, the castle already still bore the scars of being burned by dragonfire during Aegon's conquest, and has been considered cursed ever since. No one holds the seat as lord for very long.
The Burning Mill cut scene was immaculate & got the point across about the brutality of war...Feast for Crows. It was also baiting & switching the audience for the actual battle next episode. GoT did it constantly in s2 before Blackwater. Overloading with battles takes away the novelty. Let the casuals who complained about it stick to their mindless action flicks. Meanwhile targ stans mad about Ulf & Baelon? Oh no, a royal prince sired a bastard & water is wet! Where did they think those dragonseeds came from? Look at the timeline even in the book & it's clear some rather recent Targaryen in KL was fooling around. Helaena's "I forgive you" is a prophetic present tense literary device. She's talking about something that hasn't happened yet...the window. Brilliant writing! Finally a depiction of Harrenhal that actually gives it the look & feel of a cursed, haunted castle. The weirdwood reaching out to the Isle of Faces, yearning for its kind, almost! Goomer Daemon's ideal vision of Rhaenyra being stuck at 15 year old. Scary. The "I swear to you on the memory of my mother" clapback is the best line of the series so far. And lastly, Rhaenyra is not whitewashed. Her treatment of Rhaena was a sign that Rhaenyra will ultimately be submerged by the system she's trying to change. She will leave everyone disillusioned, which is the point they're making about the immutability of autocracy. Rhaenyra's subtle selfishness & ego has been so beautifully characterized. Placing her sons & heirs above all, asking her own orphan step child to play surrogate, all in the place where said child lost her own mother. No remorse & a complete cognitive dissonance. Rhaenyra is such a triumph of adaptation I have so much faith they’re going to manage to successfully pull off her tragedy. She hypocritically outsources motherhood to Rhaena & assigns her that passive feminine role. As a character Rhaenyra is most fascinating when she's forced to navigate & perpetuate the gendered structures she despises & wishes she could transcend. Rhaena is clearly straining against the fact that if she has no dragon she is to be relegated to childcare while Baela gets at least some freedom (or the illusion of it). The show is giving Rhaena a nuanced dimension to be dissatisfied with this position (the book doesn't give her much of anything). Conflict is good! & Rhaenyra’s central conflict- that to gain & retain power within a violent system one must perpetuate those violences, no matter one’s honorable intentions- having its seeds sown here is just very smart writing.
if you guys think that aemond nude scene was too much then you guys havent seen Cerseis shamewalk scene from GoT :D I dont know why everybody always makes such a big deal out of nudity :D
Aemond clearly has mommy issues. Poor guy.😂 I love how people keep calling his winkie "the pink dread,"😂😂😂😂 Many people don't even know what the king, queen, the prince look like. Theyre usually in the castle. The small folk most likely just know the names. King Aegon, Prince Aemond ect
She didn't get the kid killed I don't care what people say ! She said she wanted Ameond .. Daemon told the rat son for a son not grandson so and I blame everyone else to have the son killed because King was too busy getting drunk and his mom and Cole was having sex
Who's son or grandson though? Because Lucerys and Jaeherys can both be considered Viserys' grandsons. Aemond was responsible for Lucerys. Who is the closest kin of Aemond from his generation that has children? Aegon. Even if it was a mistake, it was an understandable one.
Harrenhal was the location where the old King before Viserys I announced him as King over Princess Rhaenys. It's the first scene on HotD Season 1, Episode 1 if memory serves. In GoT lore, it is also everything the current Lord said to Daemon (it was burned by Aegon 1 and Balerion during the conquest). It is the seat of the Strong family. In future years, Tywin Lannister in the GoT series garrisoned there during the War of the 5 Kings where Arya served as his cup bearer.
there has been legends for centuries about Harrenhal being cursed and hunted.. I think it was perfectly portrayed in this episode. I think something there is praying on Daemon's weakness and guilt...the atmosphere there was fantastic!! (in a dark scary way) I also love din the past in GoT how it was described as this huge beast of a castle that is basically impossible to maintain and is a burden for anyone who owns it and so less and less parts get used and more fall into disrepair. and it was showcased perfectly here.
As far as Harrenhal goes, It used to be one of the most protected and tallest structure known to the realm. It belonged to House Hoare who ruled the Riverlands. Harren Hoare thought the walls of his castle could withstand any assault, but he did not realize that dragons could simply fly over them. In the Burning of Harrenhal, Aegon the Conqueror used his dragon Balerion to roast King Harren and all of his sons alive. Harrenhal was burned with dragonfire and left half-ruined. After that, every house or person that’s been given ownership of Harrenhal has died or become extinct. Houses like Houses Towers, Harroway, Strong and Lothston we’re destroyed as well.. All of them, like the Hoares and Qoherys before them, died out, leading to the castle to be considered a cursed place. Even people who took camp there like Tywin Lannister and Peter Baelish who given its ownership for a brief time. Obviously they didn’t die just because of the curse or did they 👀 There are many stories about Harrenhal including the tale of Mad Lady Lothston, the flaming ghosts of Harren and his sons and of servants who go to sleep and are found turned to ashes the following day.
the 3 new kingsguard were his friends they were not taking it seriously because there a joke its why cole was not happy he got new ones without asking him
The guy in the bar is Ulf. He's saying his father was Baelon the Brave. It's an interesting claim because Baelon was known to be very faithful to his wife. So much so, he did not remarry when she died. If Ulf was his son, he would need to be younger than Daemon or Viserys. Baelon was known as the Spring Prince, and was very beloved. It was expected he would become king after Jahaerys. Unfortunately he died unexpectedly after complaining about about stitch in his side (appendicitis). Viserys and Daemon are his legitimate sons.
Baelon lived for more than 17 years after his wife's death, he probably missed companionship or someone and became involved with another woman and fathered a child without knowing it. He wasn't going to stay celibate.
Yeah, about Harrenhal, it has a reputation for being haunted and strange things happening there ever since Aegon the Conqueror used his dragon to burn the entire castle with everyone inside. So Daemon's dream sequence could be just a dream or the place showing him things, who knows🤐 It's also the place Arya was a captive in s2 of GoT when she worked as a cup bearer for Tywin Lannister.
Even if Alicent had told the council of the Song of Ice and Fire, it was a well guarded secret of house Targaryen and no one knew about it except them. So if Alicent said that Viserys told her “Aegon was the prince that was promised to unite the realm” they would’ve just used that as further proof of his legitimacy.
About the castle where Daemon is: In Game of Thrones they talk a lot about Harrenhall (almost a ruin then). It's supposed to be "cursed". And in S2 (talk between Arya Stark and Tywin Lennister) they say that Dragons destroyed Harrenhall because they can melt stone...
You've seen Harrenhal before a few times. In HotD S1, it is where the very first scene is set, where Viserys is voted to be the next King instead of Rhaenys. it is also where Harwin Strong (Rhaenyra's lover/babydaddy) and Lyonel Strong (his father and Hand of the King to Viserys at the time) burnt to death on the order of greasy Larys Strong, the "Clubfoot". We hear and see Harrenhal a lot in GoT as well - it is occupied by Gregor Clegane (the Mountain), then Tywin Lannister, then Robb Stark, then Roose Bolton, then Petyr Baelish (Littlefinger). Arya spends a lot of time there, it's where she meets Jaqen H'ghar the Faceless Man, and serves as Tywin's cupbearer It looks as it does because Aegon the Conqueror and his dragon Balerion toasted it so hot that the stone melted. It's absurdly large as a castle too, meaning it's really difficult to maintain it and garrison it, which is why it looks empty and rundown still.
You were supposed to remember Harrenhall from S2 E3 😅 Daemon said he was going to take it. Remember? When he argued with Queen Rhenayra about Cheese & Blood.
My pure guess about what will happen between Aemon and Aegon at some point is he won't try and grab power, he will simply do the old...being late accidently on purpose to defend/protect his brother at a key moment.
Rhaenyra has: Syrax, Caraxes(Daemon), Meleyes (Rahenys), Vermax (Jace), Moondancer (Baela), Tyraxies (Joffrey, but left to pentos) and Stormcloud (Rhaenyras and Daemons son Aegon, but also left to pentos) . Also Seasmoke (Leanors dragon), Vermitor (old kings dragon, now riderless) and Silverwing (old kings wifes dragon, now riderless) + in Dragonstone there are 3 wild dragons(Cannibal, Sheepstealer and Greyghost), that no one has ever ridden. The Greens have: Vhagar( Aemond), Sunfyre (Aegon), Dreamfyre (Haelena) and Tessarion ( Daeron youngest son of Alicent and Viserys) So in total there are 17 dragons and 4 eggs (maybe more eggs but that is all we know of)
I always felt like the show needed more parallels and focus on Rhaenyra and Aegon since the fight is truly between them, these siblings and finally this episode did that. Aegon chooses war and comments that "Dragonstone will think the same" but when the same thing is presented to Rhaenyra, she chooses to avoid the fighting cause of the destruction it will cause and comments that "The greens will make the same calculation". Then the parallel of them both naming a Master of Whisperers, Aegon names Larys, and Mysaria becomes part of Rhaenyra's court and offers information
I genuinely don’t think people get cristen cole. If anyone out there has a stepdad who would move heaven and hell for the family that accepted him, you get him. He helped raise the kids in the red keep, and a victory for rhenyra means his little family dies or are exiled. He may be salty and volatile but he’s fighting for the people he loves like the rest of them. Plus good god does that dude play Cole perfectly.
I’m also not full of hate for Cole. Personally I think he has a right to file two sexual harassment cases with the Red Keep’s HR department but…you know…it’s Westeros…so that’s not a thing 😅
@@erikhantariq1913 incorrect canonically. That is, unless you believe the shit HBO show runners over the author. I don't. HBO ruined GoT by doing exactly that
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There are around 21 Dragons in this story, but active and with riders at the moment of the episode the greens have Sunfire, Dreamfire ( I dont see Haelena riding to batle), Vhagar and Tessarion (it's still young). The Blacks have: Vermax, Caraxes, Meleys, Syrax and Moondancer. In Dragonstone they have Silverwing, Seasmoke, Vermithor, Sheepstealer, The Cannibal and Grey ghost (all without riders). The little sons of Rhaenyra have Tyraxes and Stormcloud (barely hatched). The castle is Harrenhal, the largest and most important castle in the Riverlands, everybody wants it because it controls the midpoint of all roads in Westeros. But it's a ruin. And yes, it has a Weirwood tree as many castles.
It's kind of wild how little Corlys wants to do with the war. He should be at the council not in a shipyard. Plus he always deflects Rhaenys' very legitimate concerns
Folks, there is a reason why at the beginning of the plot of Game of Thrones it is said that the last dragons died decades ago. Daenerys recieved 3 dragon eggs in Penthos after her wedding with Khal Drogo - these three eggs were the same ones Rhaenyra sent away to "secure the future" in case they all die. By the way: Do you remember princess Shireen Baratheon. She was always reading about the history of the Targaryens. She even quoted the "Dance of Dragons", the war between Rhaenyra and Aegon. She said "after that the Targaryens never really recovered". And there is another spoiler in Game of Thrones about that war when Jeoffrey was showing Margery the dragon skulls...but I am not going to spoiler that!! 😉😂
Here is the list of dragons at this point. Yes, Rhaenyra has a large *potential* advantage in dragons *if* riders can be found for a number of unclaimed dragons she has access to. At this moment though in terms of fighting strength the sides are rather evenly matched with Vhagar being the Greens' trump card. A number of dragon eggs are knocking about for both sides at this point, but irrelevant for the current conflict. *GREENS:* - Vhagar - Aemond's. The largest and oldest living dragon, almost 180 years old. Huge, slow, but experienced and deadly. - Sunfyre - Aegon's. Splendid large, heavy beast. A young dragon in his prime, fearsome fighter. - Tessarion - Daeron's, Alicent youngest son residing in Oldtown. Splendid young cobalt dragon. Just reached fighting size, smallest of usable dragons for the Greens. - Dreamfyre - Helaena's. More than a 100 years old, large, strong. Helaena pretty much never rides, however, so Dreamfyre permanently resides in the Dragonpit. - Shrykos - late prince Jaehaerys's dragon (the one killed by Blood and Cheese). Barely more than a hatchling, cannot be ridden yet, resides in the Dragonpit. - Morghul - princess Jaehaera's, Helaena's daughter. Barely more than a hatchling, cannot be ridden, resides in the Dragonpit. *BLACKS:* - Syrax - Rhaenyra's. Large formidable dragon in her prime. Not experienced in battle, but a dangerous fighter. - Caraxes - Daemon's. Huge lean and dangerous, more than 60 years old. Very cunning and experienced in battle. - Meleys - Rhaenys's. Large splendid strong beast, more than 60 years old. During her prime one of the swiftest dragons alive, now grown lazy, but experienced and very dangerous when roused. - Vermax - Jacaerys's, Rhaenyra's eldest son. Young dragon just grown enough to be of fighting size. - Moondancer - Baela's. Young, small, barely grown enough for the girl to ride, very quick. - Tyraxes - Joffrey's, Rhaenyra's youngest "Velaryon" son. Very young, just large enough to ride, too small for battle. Sent with Joffrey to the Vale. - Stormcloud - Aegon the Younger's, Rhaenyra's and Daemon's little son. Barely more than a hatchling, sent with the kids to Pentos. Unclaimed previously ridden dragons on Dragonstone, so assets for the Blacks if riders are found for them: - Vermithor - Old King Jaehaerys's steed. Huge old bronze beast, almost a 100 years old. Second largest living dragon after Vhagar. Giant fearsome beast. Resides on Dragonmount. - Silverwing - late queen Alysanne's dragon, the wife to the Old King Jaehaerys. Splendid silvery dragon, almost a 100 years old. Very large and experienced, relatively docile and friendly. Resides on Dragonmount. - Seasmoke - Laenor's dragon. Young, but of a decent fighting size, quick and nimble. A sticky case at this point since Laenor's status is unknown in the show (in the book he is quite dead). However, as Rhaenyra pointed out, disquieted of late which might indicate Laenor's demise. If so, can be claimed anew. Wild dragons living on Dragonstone, so potential assets for the Blacks: - Sheepstealer. A wild dragon living on Dragonmount. Old and large. Never claimed. - Cannibal. A wild dragon famous for killing and eating other dragons. Extremely dangerous, never approached successfully by anyone. - Grey Ghost. A wild dragon, never approached, almost never seen, extremely elusive.
Harrenhal was the location where Arya was a cup bearer for Tywin Lanister in GoT. It's in ruin because Aegon the Conquer laid waste to it on Balerion the black dread a few generations before HotD. The great council they mentioned at the very start of season one was held in that enormous room you see Daemon staring at as he sneaks through. Weirwood trees are tied to the old gods and that mystic three eyed raven/children of the forest stuff. I think that's a pretty rough coverage on the things you were curious about. Hope it helps!
The castle Daemon went to was Harrenhal. We saw it in season 1 when Viserys was chosen as King. Also when Lord Strong (Hand of the King after Otto) and his son (the father to Rhaenyra's sons) were burnt alive there in S1 as referenced in this episode. And we saw it in Game of Thrones when Arya was Tywin Lannister's cup bearer. Tywin explained the history of the castle as its Lord Harren The Black building it to withstand an attack from armies on the ground but when Aegon and his sisters came to conquer Westeros he burnt the castle from the sky and everyone inside burnt to death. The castle is now cursed.
Who knows. There were plenty of eggs left even after all the dragons were dead in the lore. Some stolen, others sold and so on. It doesn't really matter if those were Daenerys' eggs. It's just fan service if anything.
@Persephone_Personified they just changed it from the books. It's not that important where the eggs came from. But in the show canon, those are Dannys eggs
Daemon was standing by a Weiwood tree. Whose roots you see coming through the stones of Harrenhal. It is said that Harrenhal the Black cut down a forest of these trees to build the castle. The Old Gods were not pleased and this castle is near The Gods Eye a lake with an island in the middle with Weirwood trees where the old Gods are.
3 of the 4 dragon eggs will be the eggs of Daenerys in Game of Thrones. The 4th egg ... you will see .... Remember how Arya served Tywin at Harrenhal? There is a lake at Harrenhal with an isle with faced trees like in Game of Thrones. Greetings from Germany😊
Harrenhall was the place where the father of Rhaenyras sons died and was burned alive. The Strong guy, I can’t remember his name but it was him and his father that died there, and his father was the hand to Viserys before Otto was reinstated. And the tree you’re talking about is a Weirwood tree, Bran had many visions by them in Game of Thrones and there was also the Weirwood tree in Winterfell, where Theon died!
Making a dragon count has a lot of nuance here, because of the massive difference in age, fighting experience and therefore effectiveness of said dragons and their riders in battle. In terms of numbers, Blacks have the advantage: Rhaenyra rides Syrax, Daemon - Caraxes, originally ridden by Rhaenys' father Daeron the Daring, Rhaenys - Meleys, originally ridden by Daemon's and Viserys' mother Alyssa, Jace - Vermax, Baela - Moondancer, Joffrey has Tyraxes and Aegon has Stormcloud but they are too young to ride, that makes five. Additionally, the Black faction operates from Dragonstone where unclaimed dragons nest: mounts of old king Jaeharys and his wife - Vermithor and Silverwing - and Laenor's mount Seasmoke, as well as wild dragons Cannibal, Sheepstealer and Grey Ghost that were never claimed before and are completely untrained, and it's unknown exactly how many eggs their team has. Team Green has Vhagar, originally ridden by queen Visenya, then Viserys' father Baelon, Laena Velaryon and now Aemond, Dreamfyre, an old dragon originally ridden by Rhaena Targaryen, one of Maegor's wives I believe, now claimed by Helaena but not ridden and secluded to the dragonpit, Sunfyre, Aegon's relatively young dragon, and Tessarion, the mount of youngest son Daeron, as well as possibly some eggs. The nuance comes from the fact that a dragon's effectiveness here depends on size and therefore age, and experience of the rider and the dragon itself. By age, they can be listed in roughly this rising order: Stormcloud, Tyraxes, Moondancer, Vermax, Tessarion, Sunfyre, Syrax, Seasmoke, Meleys, Caraxes, Silverwing, Vermithor, Dreamfyre, Vhagar (it is unknown exactly how old the wild dragons are). And the scales do not seem to be in Blacks' favor as much now. Another issue of powerscaling this way is that while the age and size difference between, say, Syrax and Sunfyre is inconsequential, Vhagar is older than Dreamfyre by about half a century and is larger than most of team Black dragons combined, and Dreamfyre is much older and larger than Caraxes and Meleys too. That's why I mentioned the previous riders of the dragons: they belong to different generations. When it comes to experience, Vhagar doesn't need explaining I think. Dreamfyre, however, despite age and size, is not noted for participating in much fighting, and Helaena is not a warrior herself. Sunfyre is supposedly trained, and Aegon probably too, but they don't have any fighting experience. Same goes for Jace and Vermax, Daeron and Tessarion, Baela and Moondancer, Rhaenyra and Syrax (with an additional note that we don't know if Rhaenyra had any combat training). Rhaenys and Meleys is a trickier situation - she's noted as a great rider, and Meleys is old and has a strong bond with her, but it's not clear if Meleys engaged in fighting, I need clarification on that. Caraxes, on the other hand, is likely the most battle-experienced dragon of team Black, participating in wars for Dorne when he was Daeron's and with Daemon in the Stepstones. When it comes to unclaimed dragons, Vermithor also participated in wars for Dorne, but Silverwing was likely never a battle mount, and Seasmoke we saw fight in the Stepstones. Wild dragons, are, well, wild. So we roughly arrive at team Green having a single powerhouse in Vhagar with Sunfyre and Tessarion capable to support her, but Dreamfyre's position is uncertain, the powerhouse of team Black is currently Caraxes which is very unfortunate since he is off with Daemon doing his own thing, additionally Meleys supported by very young Vermax and Moondancer, potentially Syrax in the future. Team Black is clearly in trouble here if they don't draw the unclaimed dragons to their cause: Vermithor on his own would massively tip the scales (we saw him in s1e10), and with Silverwing being as old and large, if not as experienced in battle, they could gain an advantage on Vhagar even despite how massive she is. Seasmoke would definitely come in handy as well, and there are additional wild cards on the island. The problem here lies in finding riders to claim them. And that's the end of dragon powerscaling tedtalk
For Dragons Team Black: Daemon = Caraxes (The Blood Wyrm) Rhaenyra = Syrax Jacayres (Jace) = Vermax Rhaenys = Meleys (The Red Queen) Baela = Moondancer Joffrey = Tyraxes (Hatchling, unmounted) Aegon the Younger = Stormcloud (Hatchling, unmounted) Viserys = Dragon egg, unhatched 3 extra dragon eggs from Syrax Team Green: Aegon the Elder = Sunfyre Helaena = Dreamfyre (though she does not ride) Aemond = Vhagar Daeron (youngest son of Alicent, resides in Oldtown) = Tessarion (Unmounted) ** In the books Aegons twins Jahaera and Jahaerys had hatchling dragons - Shrykos and Morghul - but don’t know if they will make a show appearance Dragons on Dragonstone that have had riders in the past but are currently riderless: Vermithor = (The Bronze Fury. Mount of the late King Jahaerys) Silverwing = (Mount of the late Good Queen Alysanne, wife of Jahaerys. Mate of Vermithor) Seasmoke = (Mount of Laenor Velaryon) Wild Dragons on Dragonstone that have never bonded or been mounted: Cannibal Sheepstealer Grey Ghost
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I'll avoid spoilers but I can say that yes, things go super sideways when people treat dragons like they're F16 jets.
This is the calm before the storm.
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Of the claimed dragons we have:
Caraxes, Daemon’s mount
Syrax, Rhaenyra’s mount
Vermax, Jace’s mount
Moondancer, Baela’s mount
Meleys, Rhaenys’s mount
Sunfyre, Aegon’s mount
Vhagar, Aemond’s mount
Dreamfyre, Helaena’s mount (but she doesn’t ride)
Tessarion, Daeron’s mount (Alicent’s youngest son)
On Dragonstone we have some unclaimed dragons:
Seasmoke (used to be Laenor’s)
Vermithor
Silverwing
Two wild dragons:
Cannibal
Sheepstealer
Stormcloud and Tyraxes are baby dragons that belong to 2 of Rhaenyra’s youngest sons
I literally took a screenshot of this. Thanks for the breakdown.❤
Which dragon was Daemon singing too last season and is he Daemons now also???
@@DukeJimbob That was Vermithor, previously the mount of The Conciliator, King Jaehearys.
@@DukeJimbob no, that was Vermithor who is unclaimed. A dragon rider can’t have more than one mount.
@@ValentinasWatching no problem! :)
Blackwoods and Brackens don't need a reason to fight. Last season we watched them fight over Rhanera when suitors were proposing to her.
sin begets sin 😂
Was that the group where the kid killed the bully???
@@DukeJimbob Yes
@@DukeJimbob yehh
@@DukeJimbob they went from bullied to the bullies
Harrenhal is a haunted castle. It was the place in the pilot episode where they showed King Jaeherys, the Concilliator, making Viserys Targaryen the heir or next king before he passed.
It's also the same place where Jace's and Luke's father, Hardwin Strong and his father were killed by Larys Strong by fire.
I think the weirwood trees are part of why it's haunted too.
@@anonymousgirl4605 why were they there & not in KL? I don’t remember
@@Taewills I guess because it's the largest castle in Westeros that could hold the Great Council and all the people deciding who would rule after Jaeherys.
@@Taewills all the great decisions or events are scheduled in Harrenhall because it's really vast.
i think in the first season, they point out the place was cursed from the first stone laid, probably because it has a strong tie to the spirits and the weirwood trees and such, so it's not haunted exactly, more of a spiritual conduit, or place of power
@@DynomitePunch it’s haunted bc of the atrocities committed on holy land. Much like the indigenous burial ground trope in scary stories.
Alys didn’t go into the atrocities (we book readers know) but think of it as priorities were placed in industrialism & conquest rather than honoring a sanctified space.
When this conduit, as you put it, merges with unsettled souls ppl describe the odd happenings as haunted.
Mason can rest assured he’s not missing anything about Harrenhal from s1. The castle is supposedly haunted/cursed which is why you get that unsettling vibe. Daemon’s having visions, and yes when he woke he was standing next to a Weirwood Tree.
It's where in Season1 Ep1 King Jahaerys held the council that made Viserys king, that's why the banners are still there (I think they are trying to symbolize how far House Targaryen has deteriorated)
Right. It's just the place that Larys Strong had his brother, the true father of Rhaenyra's first three children, and his father, the Hand of the King, burned alive, in their own home, to "help" Allicent.
I don't think they've watched lore videos but even without that in both GOT and HOTD's season 1 the haunted tales are mentioned about Harrenhall.
If only Rhaenys had been queen instead of Viserys. She's the only person giving Rhaenyra good advice rn and she also knows how to handle the men around Rhaenyra. She would be a very effective hand to the queen.
She murdered a bunch of innocent people for no reason.
ABBBBBBBBSOLUTELY!!!! She's my favorite character for real.
Yes! To all of what you said
I think they butchered her character and made her into a hypocritical clown with that scene last season where her dragon burst out and probably killed hundreds of peasants, and then she just flew away without stopping the war by roasting Aegon. Now all of her "avoid bloodshed" advice makes no sense because we saw that she thought nothing of killing all those people. At least they acknowledged it through that line Daemon says to her.
Most definitely. Of course no drama in the story, but yes she was best equipped
Harrenhall is considered cursed. It was built by slave labor by Harren the Black whi mixed their blood into the mortar. The castle took 40 years to build, and was completed on the day Aegon and his sisters arrived in Westeros.
When Aegon came to claim the castle, Harren laughed at him and said stone didn't burn. He, his family, and all the servants hid inside. Aegon had Balerion breathe fire all over it, cooking everyone inside.
Anyone who ever gets custody of Harrenhall usually dies horribly. It was a running joke on GoT. Because the place is in disrepair, the roots of the godswood have gotten into the castle.
The castle is next to a large lake called the God's Eye. In the lake is an island known as the Isle of Faces, where it's believed some of the few remaining children of the forest live (the original inhabitants of Westeros). So it's a spooky spot for multiple reasons.
Deomon said they have 13 dragons vs the greens 4 so they have the numbers but Vhagar is freaking huge and battle tested
What is a Deomon
Come on you know what they meant
doremon?
Daemon's count is completely irrelevant at this point. First, he was counting a lot of unclaimed and even wild dragons for which riders would first need to be found. Second, Rhaenyra has some very young dragons barely of fighting size or not even that (and one of them already died with Luke).
At this particular moment the sides are actually quite evenly matched. Vhagar, Sunfyre and Tessarion for the Greens (Dreamfyre is unusable since Helaena essentially never rides). Syrax, Caraxes, Meleys, Vermax, Moondancer for the Blacks. With Vhagar being a megaton nuke, Tessarion and Vermax very young and Moondancer only just large enough to ride, it's very even.
The Harrenhal scenes were so good. Atmospheric asf which I'm a sucker for. I'm really enjoying the hotd journey with you guys!
Those were my favorite scenes as well. They were giving a sort of gothic horror vibe.
It showed me what a Souls game would look like in live action
elden ring vibes :D also I actually loved the scene where young Rhaenyra says to Daemon " always coming and going arent you? And I have to clean up afterwards"
I saw the behind the scenes of the making of the whole segment--it's really cool!
Fr I love that they actually gave the horror element to Harrenhall. Something we clearly missed in GOT. I noticed when Daemon came to Harrenhall we can hear an army's screaming sounds along with horses marching (probably reference to Aegon blasting the castle with soldiers inside). It's very subtle so I don't think someone noticed.
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@@courtneylconover80 Do you really not realize how condescending you sound? Ew. You're not better than anyone just because you read a book. Grow up.
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Yes Mason. Those are the trees from game of thrones. That castle is supposed to be haunted. Thats why its so eerie. Oh and a stranger telling you that you're gonna die there doesn't help 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I liked Daemon's line, 'They should obey their liege lord, no matter their condition' because he was thinking of Viserys as he said it
Guys I think you forgot that when Viserys died and Alicent came to the council, they were already hard at work usurping the throne 😅nobody cared what Viserys said or didn't say to Alicent on his deathbed....The fact that she came and claimed that Viserys named Aegon just saved Otto the hassle of getting Alicent on board 😃
Those new Kingsguard are no true Kingsguard. They were Aegon's posse.
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Rhaenyra's disguise makes more sense when you think back to season 1 and the night she snuck out in boys' clothes for a night on the town with Daemon. You have to realize that most of the common people in the realm have NEVER seen her, except MAYBE from a distance in the jousting stadium (and remember they don't have binoculars). This is a place/setting where even art supplies are out of the reach of most commoners, so the idea that have even seen a painting of her is unlikely.
More likely that most people's idea of what Rhaenyra and any other members of the court look like goes back, again, to season 1 when she saw how she was depicted to the smallfolk in that play.
Honestly, since the guys in the family get to go out to the taverns (and the brothels) to drink and carouse and be seen, more of the smallfolk know what THEY look like, and have a lot less of idea of what the women in family look like. They know Rhaenyra has white hair and violet eyes, because all the Targaryens do. But if she throws on a septa's wimple (a nun's head covering) and keeps her eyes down, she can easily blend in. Not until she speaks with her proper grammar and posh court accent would anyone know any better.
I hope ppl remember that it was Aegon who teased Aemond 1st when they was kids about the not having a dragon by giving him a pig which in turn he got the biggest dragon & the kids fight & aemond lose his eye
Sadly people have misinterpreted this episode a lot, I've seen lots of comments on how this episode was boring, how the last scene was dumb, how the nudity was unneeded when in both these scenes it made complete sense (funny how nobody complains when there's full frontal nudity for women but when it's men GOD FORBID!), bodyshaming Aemond's actor... It's sad really. Commentators and reactors, including you guys, have been saving this fandom for me.
Weirwood trees are the tie to the magic of the Children of the Forest. The magic of the realm. What Bran/Three Eyed Raven used to see... why Melisandre had more power in the North than the South (where the trees are not)... etc. They are MAGIC. And that woman is Alys Rivers, a bastard of House Strong, who is "rumored" to be a witch.
The eggs that were sent with Rhaena to Pentose are the three dragons that Daenerys has in Game of Thrones. That’s not what happened in the books but the directors confirmed they changed this to connect the two shows.
Harrenhal (castle daemon went to) is historically haunted/cursed. It was destroyed by a dragon as soon as it was built.
Daemons dream (brought on by being in the cursed castle) was a reminder of the atrocities that he played a hand in committing during the Targaryen civil war. He wakes up by a Wierwood tree.
Wierwood Trees are sacred spaces where ancient magic still lingers. They're places of contemplation, connection with the Old Gods, and sometimes, eerie visions.
I’m curious to know then if these will one day be Daenerys’s dragons, what happened/happens to the fourth?
@@HollyCzanirovit hatches and is Rhaena’s dragon (she’s pink 😍)! She is the last dragon rider before Danny 😊
That's ONLY what the showrunner says, but it's NOT TRUE canon. Helaena's dragon, Dreamfyre, is the mother of Dany's dragons. They were stolen by a Pirate 50 years earlier and traded hands overseas. Just like GoT, the Showrunners intend to ruin canon. I refuse to participate. I will go with the ACTUAL writer, thanks.
@@courtneylconover80 Did you really feel the need to say all that even though the original comment already explained that it's not book canon and show only? Jesus Christ. It's people like you that give us bookreaders a bad name. So insufferable. It's an ADAPTION. Not an exact play by play plus the source material is unreliable as well since we don't have any actual first hand accounts. Bet you're fun at parties.
@@courtneylconover80 I say this as a book lover: The book is NOT canon. I’m sick of seeing this “argument.”
George R. R. Martin himself has said Blood and Fire is not an accurate account of what happened in The Dance. It is second/third/fourth hand knowledge written in the form of a history book (and of course textbooks and ancient historical tellings have NEVER been wrong 🙄) and is clearly told from a heavily biased “Team Green” authorship.
George has also given his thorough approval of the show.
Again, NONE of this is canon. Not the books, not the show. If you actually listened to George’s interviews as a supposed book lover, you would know that.
If you love the books and hate the show so much, why are you A. Watching the show and B. On a REACTION CHANNEL that is WATCHING THE SHOW?
I love the books and this universe but I’m embarrassed at this point to be associated with the “book nerds” who clearly haven’t paid attention to WHAT THE AUTHOR HIMSELF has said and the constant whining, bitching and complaining.
This show is phenomenal and I actually really like the different interpretation of certain events that the show-runners have decided upon. If it’s good enough for Mr. Martin, it’s good enough for me. Going on a rant because dragon Y laid Dany’s future eggs instead of Dragon X is such a STUPID and INCONSEQUENTIAL thing to throw a tantrum over. And frankly the decision actually makes more sense considering how the story turns out.
The new Kingsguard are Aegons friends from last episode
Let me stipulate I refer to the character, not the most excellent actor :
Contrary to Princess Rhaenys - I blame Criston Cole for everything. He encouraged the fighting of the young heirs in S1 that led to the loss of Aemond’s eye, which instigated the confrontation leading to the death of Luke; which triggered the retribution that resulted in the murder of an innocent child; which directed the foolish plan to take out Rhaenyra laying charge to the senseless death of Erryk and Arryk and subsequently produced the dismissal of the ,evil but wise, Hand of the King
We don’t have to talk about Cole’s dereliction of duty; slander, delusion and hypocrisy
No. You have to first fault Rhaenys. For CORRUPTING Criston Cole by taking his virginity (yes he was also her first but she was the blood royal Princess. So the breakup meant nothing to her as she always got her way). And then abandoning him when she was done taking her pleasures with him. So many ppl overlook this fact. He was truly an honorable man and knight until Rhaenys tempted him. And became very broken when she discarded him like a dress she no longer wanted to wear. Then gave up on life before Alicent rescued him from killing himself. Then extremely bitter man by start of S2...
How did he encourage the fighting of the children? I don't remember that at all
The self-righteous Cole allowed his angst against Rhaenyra influence Alicent's boys. While training them he promoted a rivalry with their cousins. His inexplicable issues with Hugh and his continued disdain for Rhaenyra was passed on to the youth (similar to the way bigotry is passed to children, today)
@@evahofbauer5939 During S2 after Rhaenys dumped him. There's a particularly vicious scene in the courtyard where the kids would train for battle. Which led to Aemon trying to steal the biggest dragon. And Lucius (Rhaenys youngest bastard son) ending up taking out Aemon's eye. Aemon hated Lucius ever since. Again at that final family dinner. Where the King begged them not to fight each other as he was dying. Criston Cole made a point of pitting the King & Alicent's 2 sons against their Valerian/Targarian cousins. Especially their half cousins (the 2 brunette boys who were really bastards as everyone in the court knew but didn't dare publicly accuse Rhaenys of). It's the reason why Aemon killed Lucius end S2. And why the realm is at war now in S3.
The problem I have with Rhaenyra going to KL is that she had no peace terms to offer. When you’re entering a negotiation for peace and you’ve already rejected peace terms from the greens, you should at least bring a counter offer. More importantly, it seems glaringly obvious at this point that war is inevitable, especially now that Aegon’s son is dead. If the Green Council didn’t care about whether Viserys wanted Aegon on the throne or not, why on earth would they care about it now when blood has already been shed? The only person who ever gave a crap about his dying words was Alicent, Aegon was going to be king with or without her cooperation.
I think Rhaenyra was trying to appeal to her motherly side. They're both mothers who lost sons through no fault of their own. But of course Alicent is doubling down (although you could argue when she says it's too late, she means "Look...at this point my son is straight up looking for blood, and if I tell him that 'Hey...so uh....your dad wasn't talking about you when he died....soooooo...yeah' then shit is really going to go down". And of course that just gives Rhaenyra even MORE reason to start setting shit on fire. Just my opinion honestly
@@CrazyGamerTVY I get what rhaenyra was trying to do, I just think it’s silly. Alicent was right in telling her that it’s too late and she outlined all the reasons why. Viserys himself could rise up from hell to tell everyone that Rhaenyra should be Queen and it wouldn’t change the fact that Aegon’s son is dead as is Rhaenyra’s. There’s no peaceful resolution, and she didn’t even offer any terms either.
@@hali_55 very true. Have to exhaust every option you can if it means avoiding a war. And it honestly doesn't help that Otto didn't want Rhaenyra in the first place. Such a shitty situation.
I agree. I think Rhaenyra is being really naive to think peace is still a possibility (not to mention, that Alicent would be able to help achieve it), especially when she takes insanely risky actions like this. Hopefully that meeting helped her see the truth.
@@malcolmferguson4869 it 100% did. That was a look of "Oh shits about to go down now"
As King Viserys said, "when dragons fought dragons, all the world came to ash" (referring Valyria) so yes, dragon war is one factor to the Targaryen decline. But another prominent one is actually that the Dragonpit exists where they are "housed". It is explained in lore that the Targaryen dragons required far more space and freedom than the pit gave them and the longer they stayed there the lesser they became. Less big, less fierce, physically underdeveloped in ways due to cramped accomodations so much so that it led to Tywin's famous line in GoT when Joffrey is worried about Dany's dragons. "When I was Hand of the King to your father's predecessor (mad king Aerys), the skulls of all the Targaryen dragons were kept in this room, the skull of the last of them was right here. It was the size of an apple!"
As a Targaryen I would have never had my dragon in the pit.
I thought the Doom of Valyria was a volcanic eruption, like Pompeii.
@@captainsplifford it was
@@captainsplifford It was, Viserys just meant that dragon war was a catastrophe for Valyria when it did happen.
@@alexanderb5726 Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification!
Rhaenys is not saying that Rhaeneyra permitted the murder. She is saying the way other people see it, is that even if she didn’t know it happened, under her authority, meaning she is still liable, because she is responsible for the people who follow her.
Like how Alicent didn’t want or ask for luke to be killed, because it was done by her son, the black followers would say it was permitted by alicent.
Haelena has the visions and she sketches some all over her walls. I saw a video breaking down all the sketches. It was amazing.
Also, dude in tge tavern is probably a bastard. Targaryen and Valeryon bastards are called "dragon seeds". They will play a part in the war and i cant wait. They aren't showing specific "small folk" for no reason.
The new kingsguards are Aegon's buddies. He was drinking with them last episode. Ir tge one b4 that i forget.
Count of dragons:
DRAGONS OF TEAM GREEN:
[claimed]
Vhagar ->rider: Aemond
Sunfire ->rider: Aegon II
Dreamfire ->rider: Helaena
Tessarion ->rider: Daeron (Alicent youngest son but still the dragon is big enough to fight)
DRAGONS OF TEAM RED:
[claimed]
Caraxes ->rider: Daemon
Syrax ->rider: Rhaenyra
Meleys ->rider: Rhaenys
Vermax ->rider: Jacaerys
Moondancer ->rider: Baela
Tyraxes ->rider: Joffrey (the dragon is a hatchling sent to the Vale)
Stormcloud ->rider: Aegon III (the dragon is a hatchling sent to the Vale)
[unclamed] (they live on dragonstone but are riderless)
Vermithor (seen in ep 10 of season 1 with Daemon)
Seasmoke (previusly ridden by Laenor who escaped to essos)
Silverwing
[wild]
Sheepstealer
Cannibal (Biggest dragon alive)
Gray ghost
+eggs (three of the four eggs sent with Rhaena,Joffrrey,Aegon III and Viserys to the Vale are the eggs that Daenerys will hatch).
And one will probably became Rhaena's dragon. The last dragon after the Dance.
Cannibal is the biggest dragon alive? I thought that was vhager and I thought vermithor was bigger than the cannibal as well feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
@@AceroKarina228 well in the books it's never said explicitly so it's a bit of a debate, here it's what we know: the cannibal was already on Dragonstone when the first Targaryen arrived escaping from Valyria so about the age we can say he is older then Vagar so the oldest alive, we don't know if he is older even then Balerion so that's that for the age. We know that the size of dragons is influenced by three things and in order of importance we have: freedom, genetics (species, parents), diet (and obviously age) given this information and given that 1 the cannibal has never been tamed so he has always been free roaming, 2 he eats other dragons, 3 he was fierce enough to make the settlement of the first Targaryen in Dragonstone problematic, we can safely assume that he is bigger than Vagar, maybe bigger even than Balerion but that I'm less confident about. That is pretty much it, as I said it's never established clearly in the books so really I'm speculating but given the information that we can find that seems the most reasonable outcome. I really do hope that we get to see him and given the fact that the director said we will see 17 dragons we should see all the dragons in the list, however we must consider that we had Arrax that died but he counts and possibly a future dragon for Rhaena so actually we may have two dragons in the list that won't be seen.
Dear Mason Quinn; You didn’t have to watch Season 1 multiple times to know that Daemon was headed to Harrenhall, it was mentioned more than once in the past two episodes. The mysterious woman is Alice Rivers who may or may not be a witch.
@@JohnnyPappas And yes, in Season 1, Larys sets the damn place on fire, leading to how bad it is now.
@@courtneylconover80 actually much of the destruction of the castle was during the conquest of Aegon.
It’s Alys Rivers
@@Persephone_Personified yeah thanks for the correction I spelled it phonetically. Gold star for you.
Just to clarify, Alicent's misunderstanding of Viserys last words isn't what caused the war. The council were already going to push for Aegon to be king with or without Viserys' blessing. Alicent also found this out after she told them of what she heard and they didn't seem to care. And of course now she has even less power to push for Rheanyra even if she wanted to.
Yeah, it's good that you pointed this out, because it's constantly overlooked that Alicent's actions weren't really relevant here. Particularly since so many viewers are harping on her being a 'liar.' The show has very clearly landed on it being a misinterpretation of an old man's dying words. At no point did Alicent lie about this.
@@rebeccam3010alicent has lied tho. She’s a hypocrite and a snake
Alicent never had the power to stop all this, she is just deluding herself that she did. They didn't usurp the throne _because_ Alicent said Viserys changed his mind. Remember, in episode 9 last season, when she walked into the council room she found out that Otto and the others had been planning this for MONTHS without her knowledge. They were going to usurp the throne no matter what, and Otto even ordered the Lord Commander of the Kingsguard to take his knights to Dragonstone and kill her. He refused to break his oath and resigned on the spot (that's how Cole ended up with the job).
The only thing that saying "Viserys changed his mind" ACTUALLY changed was it gave the council's action more legitimacy and gave a few more Houses a better excuse for breaking their oaths. The rest folded under intimidation or they were imprisoned.
Alicent NEVER had the power to change this, and any influence she had over her sons or Cole is long gone.
In response to Quinn, Castle Daemon claims is in Harrenhal, the largest Castle in Westeros, I remember in S2 of GOT it's where Arya Stark was held captive by Gregor 'The Mountain' & she served as cup bearer to Tywin Lannister, also good memory Quinn! You are correct about the Trees, they are shown in GOT & S1 of HOTD. Quinn's & Oak's reaction when they see Lord Larys in full on scheming mode 😄 & Quinn's line "Boss is here better get off our ass" when Guards see Cristen Cole 😆 & death of his son has completely changed Aegon & seeing his transformation into being bloodthirsty out for war & revenge. That scene between Alicent & Rhaenyra the dialogue was intensifying! & was good to hear Ice & Fire mentioned even if Alicent was lying through her teeth! Great stuff guys! ❤💚
Lol aww I now feel bad for the actor who plays Ser Criston lol but the acting is so good that he reminds us of a horrible ex boyfriend lol 😂
I can never understand how people seem to not be capable of distinguishing reality from tv and movies. Like seriously. Death threats and hate msgs? It's the strangest shit ever. I remember Jeffrey Dean Morgan got death threats over the walking dead as if he did something to "Glen" for real.
Same, like he is not actually Criston Cole, leave the poor guy alone. The actor who played Joffrey got the same treatment. I feel like if an actor plays a villian so well that people can't separate the actor from the character, than that actor is one of the best.
Haven't yall been reading the comments some of these people talking like this shit is real
Anyone else get a jump scare when Aemond stood up
Me! Tbh I was quite impressed with his pink dread. Lol
No but did 5 seconds earlier
Would have been hilarious if Daemon had slipped in those stairs when he arrived. Like all menacing and bold, and then slips down the stairs like Marv in Home Alone. WoOOp!!!!
Without spoiling anything for you guys for this current show, but the 4 Eggs that Rhaenyra sent with Rhaena and her babies, 3 of those end up becoming Dany's Dragons in GOT. (Thought fossilized at that time). It's a huge moment and shows how sad & devastating this entire war is goin to become in the coming episodes. Also Weirwood Trees is the name you're looking for Mason.
A banger of an episode, the two things that got to me the most are one THE TREE of course from the original Game of Thrones and two, seeing Milly again as a young Rhaenerys (although in a rather disturbing scene)... Keep it up guys!!!
Alicent's words doesn't matter the council is already plotting to put Aegon on the throne regardless of Viserys last words they only used it to add to their claim. The scene is mostly for Rhaenyra's vindication, that now she will go all out because her father never once denounced her and the greens clearly has no claim.
The Milly Alcock cameo was so great!! I can't wait to see who gets to ride the lonely seasmoke.. And am I the only one wishing Ser Criston Cole would of got burnt
It will be Addam of Hull.
It boggles my mind that there are so many people who are unable to separate the actor from the role. Jack Gleeson had to quite acting for *years* after portraying Joffrey, because he was getting death threats. It's appalling.
Harrenhal was finished the day Aegon the First landed in Westeros to begin his conquest, and with Balerion the Black dread he burned it to command the submission of the Iron Islands who ruled over so much more territory than they do post-conquest. The castle is so huge that no lord has been able to inhabit the entirety of it, and no one can pay the servants to keep the place up to shape. At the time of HotD, four houses have held the castle, plus a Targaryen Princess. It isn’t a good place to live, but everyone knows it’s a good place to set up an army and a foothold in the Riverlands. It’s where Tywin set up his army for a bit in GoT, and it’s where the Great Councils that determined Viserys was heir to the iron thrones was held.
They show the castle in ruins simply hoping everyone knows the story already.
Harrenhall (the ruined castle) recap:
- When Targaryens first overtook the Seven Kingdoms, the castle was burnt by dragonfire.
- Season 1 ep 1 Viserys, Rhaenyra's dad, was voted to be the next king in the castle hall.
- In season 1 Rhaenyra's lover Ser Strong was burned to death alongside his father. It was murder. The one behind it was his brother, Larys "The Footguy" Strong.
Harrenhall was visited multiple times in Game of Thrones, for example Arya hiding under Tywin Lannister's nose, and Jamie and Brienne fought a bear there.
Actor for Crispin is killing it. Just give him props. Tf is wrong with people.
Come on Oak 27:23 DREAM SEQUENCE!!!!!
Happy 4th of July guys!!! 🎆 🎇
Happy 4th and have a safe weekend
Finallyyyyyyy!!!! I've been waiting for @Oaks reaction to the head sewing scene 😂😂
Daemon had a weirdwood dream. Weirwoods are known for making people have weird dreams.
Yes the dragons got way involved which ended the targaryens.
The show keeps referencing a dance of dragons which basically means 20 or so dragons are about to battle it out.
If you recognize the eggs those will be the only that survive.
Harrenhall?!? Have they not watched GOT?
28:16 There is always a wood with the face in castle or land for people who worship the Old Gods. There's also one in Kings Landing
The weirwood trees used to be present all over Westeros as a part of the old religion (the old gods) as a connection to them and a place for prayer. When the new religion with the seven gods emerged in the south, they began chopping down the weirwood trees leaving only a few behind for example in the red keep, where Ned Stark is also seen in GoT
Yes, Harrenhal was a big part of GoT and season 1 of HotD. In season 1 of HotD, it was where Larys Strong had his brother, Ser Harwin Strong (Jace, Luke and Joffrey's true father), and father and hand of the king, Lord Lionel Strong, burned to death as a "favor" to Allicent.
In GoT, it's where Arya, Gendry, and Hot Pie were taken after they taken by the Lannister army that was searching for Gendry, Robert's bastard. It was there that she met Jaqen Hagar (the faceless man) for the second time, and where she became a temporary cupbearer for Tywin Lannister.
Before the fire, the castle already still bore the scars of being burned by dragonfire during Aegon's conquest, and has been considered cursed ever since. No one holds the seat as lord for very long.
All I know is that episode 4 is about to bring a lot of Fire and Blood!
The Burning Mill cut scene was immaculate & got the point across about the brutality of war...Feast for Crows. It was also baiting & switching the audience for the actual battle next episode. GoT did it constantly in s2 before Blackwater. Overloading with battles takes away the novelty. Let the casuals who complained about it stick to their mindless action flicks. Meanwhile targ stans mad about Ulf & Baelon? Oh no, a royal prince sired a bastard & water is wet! Where did they think those dragonseeds came from? Look at the timeline even in the book & it's clear some rather recent Targaryen in KL was fooling around. Helaena's "I forgive you" is a prophetic present tense literary device. She's talking about something that hasn't happened yet...the window. Brilliant writing! Finally a depiction of Harrenhal that actually gives it the look & feel of a cursed, haunted castle. The weirdwood reaching out to the Isle of Faces, yearning for its kind, almost! Goomer Daemon's ideal vision of Rhaenyra being stuck at 15 year old. Scary. The "I swear to you on the memory of my mother" clapback is the best line of the series so far. And lastly, Rhaenyra is not whitewashed. Her treatment of Rhaena was a sign that Rhaenyra will ultimately be submerged by the system she's trying to change. She will leave everyone disillusioned, which is the point they're making about the immutability of autocracy. Rhaenyra's subtle selfishness & ego has been so beautifully characterized. Placing her sons & heirs above all, asking her own orphan step child to play surrogate, all in the place where said child lost her own mother. No remorse & a complete cognitive dissonance. Rhaenyra is such a triumph of adaptation I have so much faith they’re going to manage to successfully pull off her tragedy. She hypocritically outsources motherhood to Rhaena & assigns her that passive feminine role. As a character Rhaenyra is most fascinating when she's forced to navigate & perpetuate the gendered structures she despises & wishes she could transcend. Rhaena is clearly straining against the fact that if she has no dragon she is to be relegated to childcare while Baela gets at least some freedom (or the illusion of it). The show is giving Rhaena a nuanced dimension to be dissatisfied with this position (the book doesn't give her much of anything). Conflict is good! & Rhaenyra’s central conflict- that to gain & retain power within a violent system one must perpetuate those violences, no matter one’s honorable intentions- having its seeds sown here is just very smart writing.
if you guys think that aemond nude scene was too much then you guys havent seen Cerseis shamewalk scene from GoT :D I dont know why everybody always makes such a big deal out of nudity :D
I think it was the BJ scene they were referring to
If they use the dragons, it's similar to going with the nuclear weapons option.
Aemond clearly has mommy issues. Poor guy.😂 I love how people keep calling his winkie "the pink dread,"😂😂😂😂
Many people don't even know what the king, queen, the prince look like. Theyre usually in the castle. The small folk most likely just know the names. King Aegon, Prince Aemond ect
Even gold cloak, blood didn't know haelena looks like. Tywin doesn't know Arya stark looks like etc. Back then no photo or internet lmao
She didn't get the kid killed I don't care what people say ! She said she wanted Ameond .. Daemon told the rat son for a son not grandson so and I blame everyone else to have the son killed because King was too busy getting drunk and his mom and Cole was having sex
Lol
That’s what people think. That’s what she was saying. None of that matters.
AGREED
@@DANNYYII they can think what they want it's not a fact but it's their right to think whatever
Who's son or grandson though? Because Lucerys and Jaeherys can both be considered Viserys' grandsons. Aemond was responsible for Lucerys. Who is the closest kin of Aemond from his generation that has children? Aegon.
Even if it was a mistake, it was an understandable one.
Harrenhal was the location where the old King before Viserys I announced him as King over Princess Rhaenys. It's the first scene on HotD Season 1, Episode 1 if memory serves. In GoT lore, it is also everything the current Lord said to Daemon (it was burned by Aegon 1 and Balerion during the conquest). It is the seat of the Strong family. In future years, Tywin Lannister in the GoT series garrisoned there during the War of the 5 Kings where Arya served as his cup bearer.
there has been legends for centuries about Harrenhal being cursed and hunted.. I think it was perfectly portrayed in this episode. I think something there is praying on Daemon's weakness and guilt...the atmosphere there was fantastic!! (in a dark scary way) I also love din the past in GoT how it was described as this huge beast of a castle that is basically impossible to maintain and is a burden for anyone who owns it and so less and less parts get used and more fall into disrepair. and it was showcased perfectly here.
As far as Harrenhal goes, It used to be one of the most protected and tallest structure known to the realm. It belonged to House Hoare who ruled the Riverlands.
Harren Hoare thought the walls of his castle could withstand any assault, but he did not realize that dragons could simply fly over them. In the Burning of Harrenhal, Aegon the Conqueror used his dragon Balerion to roast King Harren and all of his sons alive. Harrenhal was burned with dragonfire and left half-ruined.
After that, every house or person that’s been given ownership of Harrenhal has died or become extinct. Houses like Houses Towers, Harroway, Strong and Lothston we’re destroyed as well.. All of them, like the Hoares and Qoherys before them, died out, leading to the castle to be considered a cursed place. Even people who took camp there like Tywin Lannister and Peter Baelish who given its ownership for a brief time. Obviously they didn’t die just because of the curse or did they 👀
There are many stories about Harrenhal including the tale of Mad Lady Lothston, the flaming ghosts of Harren and his sons and of servants who go to sleep and are found turned to ashes the following day.
the 3 new kingsguard were his friends they were not taking it seriously because there a joke its why cole was not happy he got new ones without asking him
"My father told you of the Song of Ice and Fire? How disappointing and darkly shot it was? And of the Starbucks coffee cup?"
"the trees from game of thrones" are super important to the story
they weren't planted during Robert's reign, you know.
The guy in the bar is Ulf. He's saying his father was Baelon the Brave. It's an interesting claim because Baelon was known to be very faithful to his wife. So much so, he did not remarry when she died. If Ulf was his son, he would need to be younger than Daemon or Viserys.
Baelon was known as the Spring Prince, and was very beloved. It was expected he would become king after Jahaerys. Unfortunately he died unexpectedly after complaining about about stitch in his side (appendicitis). Viserys and Daemon are his legitimate sons.
Baelon lived for more than 17 years after his wife's death, he probably missed companionship or someone and became involved with another woman and fathered a child without knowing it. He wasn't going to stay celibate.
That might be the case, but Ulf doesn't look younger than Viserys or Daemon. Although, I suppose living in Flea Bottom does age one a bit.
Ive been refreshing for 2 days... finally!! 🎉
Yeah, about Harrenhal, it has a reputation for being haunted and strange things happening there ever since Aegon the Conqueror used his dragon to burn the entire castle with everyone inside.
So Daemon's dream sequence could be just a dream or the place showing him things, who knows🤐
It's also the place Arya was a captive in s2 of GoT when she worked as a cup bearer for Tywin Lannister.
Even if Alicent had told the council of the Song of Ice and Fire, it was a well guarded secret of house Targaryen and no one knew about it except them. So if Alicent said that Viserys told her “Aegon was the prince that was promised to unite the realm” they would’ve just used that as further proof of his legitimacy.
About the castle where Daemon is: In Game of Thrones they talk a lot about Harrenhall (almost a ruin then). It's supposed to be "cursed". And in S2 (talk between Arya Stark and Tywin Lennister) they say that Dragons destroyed Harrenhall because they can melt stone...
You've seen Harrenhal before a few times. In HotD S1, it is where the very first scene is set, where Viserys is voted to be the next King instead of Rhaenys. it is also where Harwin Strong (Rhaenyra's lover/babydaddy) and Lyonel Strong (his father and Hand of the King to Viserys at the time) burnt to death on the order of greasy Larys Strong, the "Clubfoot".
We hear and see Harrenhal a lot in GoT as well - it is occupied by Gregor Clegane (the Mountain), then Tywin Lannister, then Robb Stark, then Roose Bolton, then Petyr Baelish (Littlefinger). Arya spends a lot of time there, it's where she meets Jaqen H'ghar the Faceless Man, and serves as Tywin's cupbearer
It looks as it does because Aegon the Conqueror and his dragon Balerion toasted it so hot that the stone melted. It's absurdly large as a castle too, meaning it's really difficult to maintain it and garrison it, which is why it looks empty and rundown still.
You were supposed to remember Harrenhall from S2 E3 😅 Daemon said he was going to take it. Remember? When he argued with Queen Rhenayra about Cheese & Blood.
3 of the 4 eggs (Black, Yellow, and Green) going to Pentos end up as future wedding gifts for Daenerys Targaryen on Game of Thrones.😊
Harrenhall was where the council in the first episode took place. It's supposed to be cursed and haunted.
Remember Herrenhall is haunted!
My pure guess about what will happen between Aemon and Aegon at some point is he won't try and grab power, he will simply do the old...being late accidently on purpose to defend/protect his brother at a key moment.
Love that Rhaenyra and Alicent finally had "the talk". 😁
Great reaction, looking forward to more!
What Oak said at the end is true. I don't know why I'm avoiding Oreos. I guess it's time to finally try them out. Oreos being Lord of the Rings
Harrenhal is where Arya Stark was captured by Tywin Lannister in the first series
Rhaenyra has: Syrax, Caraxes(Daemon), Meleyes (Rahenys), Vermax (Jace), Moondancer (Baela), Tyraxies (Joffrey, but left to pentos) and Stormcloud (Rhaenyras and Daemons son Aegon, but also left to pentos) . Also Seasmoke (Leanors dragon), Vermitor (old kings dragon, now riderless) and Silverwing (old kings wifes dragon, now riderless) + in Dragonstone there are 3 wild dragons(Cannibal, Sheepstealer and Greyghost), that no one has ever ridden.
The Greens have: Vhagar( Aemond), Sunfyre (Aegon), Dreamfyre (Haelena) and Tessarion ( Daeron youngest son of Alicent and Viserys)
So in total there are 17 dragons and 4 eggs (maybe more eggs but that is all we know of)
I always felt like the show needed more parallels and focus on Rhaenyra and Aegon since the fight is truly between them, these siblings and finally this episode did that. Aegon chooses war and comments that "Dragonstone will think the same" but when the same thing is presented to Rhaenyra, she chooses to avoid the fighting cause of the destruction it will cause and comments that "The greens will make the same calculation". Then the parallel of them both naming a Master of Whisperers, Aegon names Larys, and Mysaria becomes part of Rhaenyra's court and offers information
I genuinely don’t think people get cristen cole. If anyone out there has a stepdad who would move heaven and hell for the family that accepted him, you get him. He helped raise the kids in the red keep, and a victory for rhenyra means his little family dies or are exiled. He may be salty and volatile but he’s fighting for the people he loves like the rest of them. Plus good god does that dude play Cole perfectly.
I’m also not full of hate for Cole. Personally I think he has a right to file two sexual harassment cases with the Red Keep’s HR department but…you know…it’s Westeros…so that’s not a thing 😅
@@HollyCzanirov FR, he’s surrounded by people who don’t take him or his oath seriously. Who wouldn’t be bitter about his honor in a place like that?
The eggs were sent to Pentos. And that's the same city where Dany's dragons were from :D.
3 of those eggs are Danny’s Dragons in game of thrones.
@@erikhantariq1913 incorrect canonically. That is, unless you believe the shit HBO show runners over the author. I don't. HBO ruined GoT by doing exactly that
There are around 21 Dragons in this story, but active and with riders at the moment of the episode the greens have Sunfire, Dreamfire ( I dont see Haelena riding to batle), Vhagar and Tessarion (it's still young). The Blacks have: Vermax, Caraxes, Meleys, Syrax and Moondancer. In Dragonstone they have Silverwing, Seasmoke, Vermithor, Sheepstealer, The Cannibal and Grey ghost (all without riders). The little sons of Rhaenyra have Tyraxes and Stormcloud (barely hatched).
The castle is Harrenhal, the largest and most important castle in the Riverlands, everybody wants it because it controls the midpoint of all roads in Westeros. But it's a ruin. And yes, it has a Weirwood tree as many castles.
Aemond is so scary without the eye patch
It's kind of wild how little Corlys wants to do with the war. He should be at the council not in a shipyard. Plus he always deflects Rhaenys' very legitimate concerns
Folks, there is a reason why at the beginning of the plot of Game of Thrones it is said that the last dragons died decades ago. Daenerys recieved 3 dragon eggs in Penthos after her wedding with Khal Drogo - these three eggs were the same ones Rhaenyra sent away to "secure the future" in case they all die. By the way: Do you remember princess Shireen Baratheon. She was always reading about the history of the Targaryens. She even quoted the "Dance of Dragons", the war between Rhaenyra and Aegon. She said "after that the Targaryens never really recovered". And there is another spoiler in Game of Thrones about that war when Jeoffrey was showing Margery the dragon skulls...but I am not going to spoiler that!! 😉😂
Here is the list of dragons at this point.
Yes, Rhaenyra has a large *potential* advantage in dragons *if* riders can be found for a number of unclaimed dragons she has access to. At this moment though in terms of fighting strength the sides are rather evenly matched with Vhagar being the Greens' trump card.
A number of dragon eggs are knocking about for both sides at this point, but irrelevant for the current conflict.
*GREENS:*
- Vhagar - Aemond's. The largest and oldest living dragon, almost 180 years old. Huge, slow, but experienced and deadly.
- Sunfyre - Aegon's. Splendid large, heavy beast. A young dragon in his prime, fearsome fighter.
- Tessarion - Daeron's, Alicent youngest son residing in Oldtown. Splendid young cobalt dragon. Just reached fighting size, smallest of usable dragons for the Greens.
- Dreamfyre - Helaena's. More than a 100 years old, large, strong. Helaena pretty much never rides, however, so Dreamfyre permanently resides in the Dragonpit.
- Shrykos - late prince Jaehaerys's dragon (the one killed by Blood and Cheese). Barely more than a hatchling, cannot be ridden yet, resides in the Dragonpit.
- Morghul - princess Jaehaera's, Helaena's daughter. Barely more than a hatchling, cannot be ridden, resides in the Dragonpit.
*BLACKS:*
- Syrax - Rhaenyra's. Large formidable dragon in her prime. Not experienced in battle, but a dangerous fighter.
- Caraxes - Daemon's. Huge lean and dangerous, more than 60 years old. Very cunning and experienced in battle.
- Meleys - Rhaenys's. Large splendid strong beast, more than 60 years old. During her prime one of the swiftest dragons alive, now grown lazy, but experienced and very dangerous when roused.
- Vermax - Jacaerys's, Rhaenyra's eldest son. Young dragon just grown enough to be of fighting size.
- Moondancer - Baela's. Young, small, barely grown enough for the girl to ride, very quick.
- Tyraxes - Joffrey's, Rhaenyra's youngest "Velaryon" son. Very young, just large enough to ride, too small for battle. Sent with Joffrey to the Vale.
- Stormcloud - Aegon the Younger's, Rhaenyra's and Daemon's little son. Barely more than a hatchling, sent with the kids to Pentos.
Unclaimed previously ridden dragons on Dragonstone, so assets for the Blacks if riders are found for them:
- Vermithor - Old King Jaehaerys's steed. Huge old bronze beast, almost a 100 years old. Second largest living dragon after Vhagar. Giant fearsome beast. Resides on Dragonmount.
- Silverwing - late queen Alysanne's dragon, the wife to the Old King Jaehaerys. Splendid silvery dragon, almost a 100 years old. Very large and experienced, relatively docile and friendly. Resides on Dragonmount.
- Seasmoke - Laenor's dragon. Young, but of a decent fighting size, quick and nimble. A sticky case at this point since Laenor's status is unknown in the show (in the book he is quite dead). However, as Rhaenyra pointed out, disquieted of late which might indicate Laenor's demise. If so, can be claimed anew.
Wild dragons living on Dragonstone, so potential assets for the Blacks:
- Sheepstealer. A wild dragon living on Dragonmount. Old and large. Never claimed.
- Cannibal. A wild dragon famous for killing and eating other dragons. Extremely dangerous, never approached successfully by anyone.
- Grey Ghost. A wild dragon, never approached, almost never seen, extremely elusive.
Harrenhal was the location where Arya was a cup bearer for Tywin Lanister in GoT. It's in ruin because Aegon the Conquer laid waste to it on Balerion the black dread a few generations before HotD. The great council they mentioned at the very start of season one was held in that enormous room you see Daemon staring at as he sneaks through. Weirwood trees are tied to the old gods and that mystic three eyed raven/children of the forest stuff. I think that's a pretty rough coverage on the things you were curious about. Hope it helps!
The castle Daemon went to was Harrenhal. We saw it in season 1 when Viserys was chosen as King. Also when Lord Strong (Hand of the King after Otto) and his son (the father to Rhaenyra's sons) were burnt alive there in S1 as referenced in this episode.
And we saw it in Game of Thrones when Arya was Tywin Lannister's cup bearer.
Tywin explained the history of the castle as its Lord Harren The Black building it to withstand an attack from armies on the ground but when Aegon and his sisters came to conquer Westeros he burnt the castle from the sky and everyone inside burnt to death.
The castle is now cursed.
I am pretty sure only the king and his heir would know about the price that was promised and heir keeps on passing it down to heir
Moondancer is one of the fastest (if not the fastest) dragons and I’m glad that was shown. Very important for a future event.
Someone help me, are those dragon eggs, the same eggs from GoT +1 Blue one that might be a book egg we will see in Winds of Winter
according to the showrunner Yes they are. However according to the books its absolutely not true. I don't mind this change however.
@@Rajarshi_X I went back and paused it and was looking at em. I was going back and forth.
Who knows. There were plenty of eggs left even after all the dragons were dead in the lore. Some stolen, others sold and so on. It doesn't really matter if those were Daenerys' eggs. It's just fan service if anything.
@@Rajarshi_Xit was the director of the episode that said it.
Ryan Condal and George RR Martin did NOT say that.
So at this point it’s not confirmed
@Persephone_Personified they just changed it from the books. It's not that important where the eggs came from.
But in the show canon, those are Dannys eggs
I can't be the only one that likes Criston Cole right?
Daemon was standing by a Weiwood tree. Whose roots you see coming through the stones of Harrenhal. It is said that Harrenhal the Black cut down a forest of these trees to build the castle. The Old Gods were not pleased and this castle is near The Gods Eye a lake with an island in the middle with Weirwood trees where the old Gods are.
3 of the 4 dragon eggs will be the eggs of Daenerys in Game of Thrones. The 4th egg ... you will see .... Remember how Arya served Tywin at Harrenhal? There is a lake at Harrenhal with an isle with faced trees like in Game of Thrones. Greetings from Germany😊
Harrenhall was the place where the father of Rhaenyras sons died and was burned alive. The Strong guy, I can’t remember his name but it was him and his father that died there, and his father was the hand to Viserys before Otto was reinstated. And the tree you’re talking about is a Weirwood tree, Bran had many visions by them in Game of Thrones and there was also the Weirwood tree in Winterfell, where Theon died!
Yes, they are the Weirwood trees.
Making a dragon count has a lot of nuance here, because of the massive difference in age, fighting experience and therefore effectiveness of said dragons and their riders in battle.
In terms of numbers, Blacks have the advantage: Rhaenyra rides Syrax, Daemon - Caraxes, originally ridden by Rhaenys' father Daeron the Daring, Rhaenys - Meleys, originally ridden by Daemon's and Viserys' mother Alyssa, Jace - Vermax, Baela - Moondancer, Joffrey has Tyraxes and Aegon has Stormcloud but they are too young to ride, that makes five. Additionally, the Black faction operates from Dragonstone where unclaimed dragons nest: mounts of old king Jaeharys and his wife - Vermithor and Silverwing - and Laenor's mount Seasmoke, as well as wild dragons Cannibal, Sheepstealer and Grey Ghost that were never claimed before and are completely untrained, and it's unknown exactly how many eggs their team has.
Team Green has Vhagar, originally ridden by queen Visenya, then Viserys' father Baelon, Laena Velaryon and now Aemond, Dreamfyre, an old dragon originally ridden by Rhaena Targaryen, one of Maegor's wives I believe, now claimed by Helaena but not ridden and secluded to the dragonpit, Sunfyre, Aegon's relatively young dragon, and Tessarion, the mount of youngest son Daeron, as well as possibly some eggs.
The nuance comes from the fact that a dragon's effectiveness here depends on size and therefore age, and experience of the rider and the dragon itself. By age, they can be listed in roughly this rising order: Stormcloud, Tyraxes, Moondancer, Vermax, Tessarion, Sunfyre, Syrax, Seasmoke, Meleys, Caraxes, Silverwing, Vermithor, Dreamfyre, Vhagar (it is unknown exactly how old the wild dragons are). And the scales do not seem to be in Blacks' favor as much now. Another issue of powerscaling this way is that while the age and size difference between, say, Syrax and Sunfyre is inconsequential, Vhagar is older than Dreamfyre by about half a century and is larger than most of team Black dragons combined, and Dreamfyre is much older and larger than Caraxes and Meleys too. That's why I mentioned the previous riders of the dragons: they belong to different generations.
When it comes to experience, Vhagar doesn't need explaining I think. Dreamfyre, however, despite age and size, is not noted for participating in much fighting, and Helaena is not a warrior herself. Sunfyre is supposedly trained, and Aegon probably too, but they don't have any fighting experience. Same goes for Jace and Vermax, Daeron and Tessarion, Baela and Moondancer, Rhaenyra and Syrax (with an additional note that we don't know if Rhaenyra had any combat training). Rhaenys and Meleys is a trickier situation - she's noted as a great rider, and Meleys is old and has a strong bond with her, but it's not clear if Meleys engaged in fighting, I need clarification on that. Caraxes, on the other hand, is likely the most battle-experienced dragon of team Black, participating in wars for Dorne when he was Daeron's and with Daemon in the Stepstones. When it comes to unclaimed dragons, Vermithor also participated in wars for Dorne, but Silverwing was likely never a battle mount, and Seasmoke we saw fight in the Stepstones. Wild dragons, are, well, wild.
So we roughly arrive at team Green having a single powerhouse in Vhagar with Sunfyre and Tessarion capable to support her, but Dreamfyre's position is uncertain, the powerhouse of team Black is currently Caraxes which is very unfortunate since he is off with Daemon doing his own thing, additionally Meleys supported by very young Vermax and Moondancer, potentially Syrax in the future. Team Black is clearly in trouble here if they don't draw the unclaimed dragons to their cause: Vermithor on his own would massively tip the scales (we saw him in s1e10), and with Silverwing being as old and large, if not as experienced in battle, they could gain an advantage on Vhagar even despite how massive she is. Seasmoke would definitely come in handy as well, and there are additional wild cards on the island. The problem here lies in finding riders to claim them.
And that's the end of dragon powerscaling tedtalk
I enjoy your reactions for HOTD. I’m a big fan as well. Like so many. Can’t wait for this Sunday!!!
For Dragons
Team Black:
Daemon = Caraxes (The Blood Wyrm)
Rhaenyra = Syrax
Jacayres (Jace) = Vermax
Rhaenys = Meleys (The Red Queen)
Baela = Moondancer
Joffrey = Tyraxes (Hatchling, unmounted)
Aegon the Younger = Stormcloud (Hatchling, unmounted)
Viserys = Dragon egg, unhatched
3 extra dragon eggs from Syrax
Team Green:
Aegon the Elder = Sunfyre
Helaena = Dreamfyre (though she does not ride)
Aemond = Vhagar
Daeron (youngest son of Alicent, resides in Oldtown) = Tessarion (Unmounted)
** In the books Aegons twins Jahaera and Jahaerys had hatchling dragons - Shrykos and Morghul - but don’t know if they will make a show appearance
Dragons on Dragonstone that have had riders in the past but are currently riderless:
Vermithor = (The Bronze Fury. Mount of the late King Jahaerys)
Silverwing = (Mount of the late Good Queen Alysanne, wife of Jahaerys. Mate of Vermithor)
Seasmoke = (Mount of Laenor Velaryon)
Wild Dragons on Dragonstone that have never bonded or been mounted:
Cannibal
Sheepstealer
Grey Ghost