@Shinshocks - It's a reference to the Hannibal TV series that Menaker likes to use every so often. His mind palace is the IMDB of political pundits and operators.
As I listened to this episode, I realized I had mixed up James Ellroy with Elmore Leonard. I was thinking "man, Elmore Leonard's novels are a million times darker than I had been led to believe."
Can be, a lot of noir the ambiguity is just the surface and the heroes are usually chivalrous heroes. Nick and Nora, Marlowe are heroic despite the surface action. But then you do get the hard boiled bastards like the Continental Op who could be a villain in another book
I think I recall Matt finding it entertaining albeit middling, until Spacey assassinated someone and checked out. Couldn't take it seriously or on its own terms of this POTUS/candidate was gonna do these risky things and revealing a carelessness towards how it portrays power and how it's exerted.
Chinatown, LA Confidential and who framed Rodger rabbit are the father, the son and holy spirit of California Noir
"California Noir" also brings to mind "To Live and Die in L.A." for me.
@@rb5519 California re-noired itself in the 80s.
Great movie. Haven't watched it in years but it's definitely one that stayed in the mind palace.
@Shinshocks - Mind is the staging area where all the processing goes on. Mind palace is where all the precious formative memories are stored.
@Shinshocks - It's a reference to the Hannibal TV series that Menaker likes to use every so often. His mind palace is the IMDB of political pundits and operators.
I think they’re being a little hard on Basinger in this, I think she gives a very sensitive performance.
As I listened to this episode, I realized I had mixed up James Ellroy with Elmore Leonard. I was thinking "man, Elmore Leonard's novels are a million times darker than I had been led to believe."
I've never heard Hobbesian pronounced that way, that woke me up quickly.
I’m more of a Calvinist
My nipples are hard, with intrigue.
21:19 Yeah, immediate WTF moment from me too, lol.
we watched this movie in high school for some reason
PE teacher?
Rollo…Thomasi…
Rollo is Poppy
_They Live_ was not set in Los Angeles by accident. "THIS IS YOUR GOD. MARRY AND REPRODUCE. STAY ASLEEP..."
I was 15 minutes into this video before I realized they weren’t talking about the video game L.A. Noir 😅
Isn’t the ambiguity between hero’s and villains the thematic core of all noir ?
Can be, a lot of noir the ambiguity is just the surface and the heroes are usually chivalrous heroes. Nick and Nora, Marlowe are heroic despite the surface action. But then you do get the hard boiled bastards like the Continental Op who could be a villain in another book
@@GrimReader Kiss Me Deadly, Mike Hammer springs to mind, as the hard bitten, and not to chivalrous, if he's got a core of decency, it's buried deep.
@@onastick2411 Hammer rules
"ambiguity" doesn't really work with Ellroy's version, there's no real ambiguity, they're all evil
Chapo should talk House of Cards
I think I recall Matt finding it entertaining albeit middling, until Spacey assassinated someone and checked out. Couldn't take it seriously or on its own terms of this POTUS/candidate was gonna do these risky things and revealing a carelessness towards how it portrays power and how it's exerted.
House of cards isn’t even a movie. “Deck of cards” would be a good one to review and it *is* an actual movie
@@jackstraw262 They've done series many times.
Eww!
Irish/Scottish people are associated with police overall. I saw Dudley Smith as literally A COP.
They really should have had James Ellroy on to talk about this book.
That would have been fun.
that guy is crazy
Where is Will getting this info about Kevin Spacey and the Royal Family/Epstein?
They go into it in the second appearance trianon made on Chapo in April 2020.
@@craigtrautmanjr9393 wow you know your stuff. Thank you
@@craigtrautmanjr9393 you shouldn’t have told him , that guy seems like a fed!
@@craigtrautmanjr9393 Hungary will rise again!
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Man, I bet this Bessner guy keeps his own farts in jars.
I love how Americans really emphasise the two syllables of 'noir'. Just love it.