Ugh don't remind me, my son was born May 6, 2009 .. I was jealous that they had had Carly on the 18th. May 18th is my deceased father's bday. He passed while I was pregnant. It's those little things that matter sometimes. Now our kids are going to be driving soon enough. I hope Carly takes a drive over to Tyler and Cate and gets a chance to know how much they love her.
They really need to remember their situation at 16... They were living with 2 addicts and a 100 kids in a trailer. They didn't have a good place for her to live in and they didn't want to give her a life less than perfect. They made this decision out of unconditional, selfless love. I wish they could make peace with that decision. I really feel their pain.
@@berenicelopez1424 they split the time and Cates family needed her to survive. It wasn't a good situation to bring a child into. They made the right decision for Carly at the time.
I’m sure if they had known teen mom would be what it is they wouldn’t have considered adoption. I bet it’s hard to know they could have supported her with their income. Of course if they hadn’t chosen adoption they may have not been picked for the show so who knows.
I agree. Everyone seems to be talking for her and making assumptions about what she wants but it’d be nice to actually hear how she feels. Maybe when she is 18 she might feel comfortable talking about her experience.
Keanne-Danielle Reavley I’m sure she’s very happy. They didn’t expect teen mom to go on for 10+ years and be in the spotlight. Just an odd scenario when you add TV and lots of fans everything.
They both regret putting her up for adoption and I believe Brandon and Teresa know that, that’s why I feel like their relationship has become strenuous over the years
Well there is a strain bc Teresa and Brandon, don’t want her in public eye and don’t want her name and face and all her business out there, they were okay in the beginning with the open adoption but now that she is 12ish-13ish, they don’t want it out there anymore. But it’s sad bc they signed up for an open adoption but now they don’t want ty and cate involved as much anymore 🥴
I think Dawn plays both sides of the fence. I would like to hear a conversation between her and Carly's adoptive parents without them knowing someone is taping.
When Dawn said - “What would Carly be like as a twelve year old” - that really made me feel old! My 11 yearold self witnessed Cate and Ty make the biggest decision of their lives at the age of 16/17 and it was so emotional to watch x
I think they're happy she has a good family, but regret that the family doesn't fully cooperate with them. Like most open adoptions have parents that send pics and allow visitation and in many ways accept the birth parents as a second family. It feels more like they wanted a closed adoption and just agreed to an open one so they could get Carly. You literally would not have this child if they hadn't picked you. Give them something.
They have said before that this is a very different adoption because the bio parents are on tv. When this first happened none of them thought this show would blow up and they don't their daughter on national TV. I think we need to remember who the actual parents are and that's Brandon and Theresa.
@@samanthagray7297 they had no problem being on tv before and after adoption took place I truly believe they wanted a baby so bad that the played a couple of teens to get what they wanted and sad nobody sees that
@@yenidamian4942 Agreed. And besides, what does them being on tv have to do with it? They don't have to have the cameras present when they visit her. All that can be worked around, but they don't seem like they care to try.
When you put your child up for adoption, you agree to an open adoption at the discretion of the adoptive parents. Sorry, but I don’t think these people are the most stable and maybe they don’t want them around their kid. Very confusing and difficult situation.
The sad truth is that Cate and Tyler REGRET placing Carly, and they want her back. Her adopted parents have a responsibility to raise their daughter in the way they feel is best. I hope they can all come together and have scheduled yearly visits, like was promised years ago.
Carly is not Catelyn and Tyler's daughter legally and blood means nothing .Put yourself in Theresa and Brandon shoes they raised Carly ever since she was a new born and it is not fair to them. Catelyn needs to understand and move on.
@@juliebatalia7946 Eventually, it will be up to Carly. If she decides she wants to pursue a relationship with Catelynn and Tyler once she becomes of age, then Brandon and Theresa cannot do anything to stop it.
That's weird, my comment got cut off. I was saying that B+T won't be able to have any say once she's of age if Carly decides she wants Cait and Tyler in her life.
@Alissaa ya but Tyler and Caitlin weren't respecting their wishes to not post pictures about Carly on social media. They overrode her parents decision & continuously ignoring their wishes. At the end of the day brandon and Theresa are her parents. Also Tyler and Caitlin are lazy and surround themselves with toxic people who have substance abuse issues. I wouldn't want my kids around people like that.
I think the fact that they were together for so long prior played a role. Plus they have always been bestfriends/life partners. It's been a beautiful relationship to watch grow.
I feel like Brandon and Teresa get put down a lot for something that isn’t their fault... They made it clear from the beginning that they don’t want Carly subjected to the scrutiny that comes with being on television. They had NO IDEA that Cate and Ty were going to be on the show for a hundred years. It was SUPPOSED to be about teen pregnancy and we all know they aren’t teenagers anymore. I feel for everyone involved but in the end, as Dawn pointed out, Catelynn and Tyler don’t reach out... unless the cameras are rolling it seems. Take a moment and consider that before you sling mud at the two people who clearly put Carly first in every situation.
Thank you. An intelligent comment. Everyone is so quick to judge Brandon and Theresa because they’re only getting the story from Cate and Ty’s perspective. Everyone needs to remember there are two sides and experiences to this story.
Regardless they do need to schedule a visit. Obviously with out the cameras if they don’t feel comfortable. But I think because since cate and Tyler were really young when they made this decision I think eventually carly’s adopted parents were hoping that it would become a close adoption. Since cate and Tyler were very young I think eventually they though that they would let it go
I agree. I feel like Tyler and Cate are expecting too much. They put her up for adoption and now she has a new set of parents. I understand they regret it but they aren’t babysitting her they’re raising her.
I agree. And the time they had w her (which I think was the last) they were super late because of finishing that photo album that Cate insisted she needed to give it to her that day even though she had years to put it together (what else does she do?)!! Even the case worker told her, don’t miss out on your time and Cate got snotty w her. Plus, they had no real solid direction on what they really did and how it worked. I think the case worker made it sound so easy to them promising more than what Brandon and T may have thought to do. And you’re right, who would have known they’d still be on TV! Otherwise, I think they would have set the boundaries back then.
Yes, absolutely. The moment when they signed the adoption was very different. They thought the show was a one time thing and after it Cate and Tyler would finish high school and go to college, that's very different scenario from what's happening right now. If they contact Carly it has to appear on the show because that's their job.
The adoptive family never thought in a million years that these two would've stayed together n the fact that they had more children probably scared the crap out of them thinking they would want Carly back.
This is why I think open adoptions are difficult. The birth parents want to build a relationship but the adoptive parents don’t want to feel like they were just loaned the child to raise but aren’t the real parents.
I agree too, being adopted myself. I couldn’t think of anything harder than having an open adoption and just feeling like your waiting to pass the child back over to their biological parents. I can only imagine how hard of a situation for the adoptive parents it would be.
@@jordanbellamy1722 Yeah, it can’t be easy giving up the child but I can see how the limbo and grey area of relationship would be hard for both sets of parents.
I don’t think is proof that open adoption doesn’t work. They came to an agreement upon adopting Carly that they would have visitations. The adoptive parents haven’t held their end of the agreement. Caitelynn was 16 years old. She trusted the adults guiding her decision.
That kind of is the fact of the matter, however. They WERE just "loaned" the child to raise. They have the privilege of being with her every day of her childhood, but they do not OWN her. She will (of course) want her birth parents in her life after she is 18. Ask any adoptee. The worst thing any one can do to her is to force her to choose sides...make her feel guilty for daring to love her birth parents as well as her adoptive parents. None of us OWN our children. We are loaned them, given them to protect and raise and love, but we have to let them go one day and let them make their own choices. Brandon and Teresa have become very selfish with Carly. They do not want to share her love with her other parents. They want to control her, own her, keep her to themselves forever...and that's just not how parenting works.
I think Carly’s adoptive parents didn’t realize how big the show would get at the time and how much attention it would receive. I think that’s why they decided to have some space and keep Carly out of the spot light to protect her.
They used send message after message after message but adoptive parents were not okay with how involved they wanted to be. the adoption is suppose to be open but it’s more like a semi closed one, in terms of how Brandon and Teresa are moving. I get it they wanna be private but that doesn’t mean you shut out the people who have you the child and also the terms to which you agreed upon with them.
@@sgejupiter9740 and she def will go be apart of her birth family I mean her parents are still together and she has 2 blood sisters. I can’t wait for them all.
I’m not sure why people are giving Brandon and Theresa a hard time. They clearly told Cate and Tyler that they didn’t want the cameras around when Carly was present or when she was being discussed but they didn’t listen. People complain about how the mums are “ exploiting” their kids for the show. Maybe it’s best that Carly doesn’t have more of her life played out on camera And besides they have two kids and another on the way. Imagine how Nova must feel constantly having to hear about how they want her sister
Well if Brandon and Theresa were that concerned they shouldn’t have come on TV and had an open adoption with two people on TV. Everyone knows what they look like so they’ll easily know who Carly is, not to mention the fact she looks like Tyler. And they’ve had plenty of scenes with Carly off camera. They didn’t hold up their end of the open adoption and allowing them to see Carly when they’d like, so they can’t put a stop to it being talked about on a reality show.
@@Tasiaevansss I’m pretty sure at the time no one thought the show would last this long. I’m pretty sure if they weren’t on TV Brandon and Theresa would be more open. But at the end of the day Carly is Brandon and Theresa’s child too and they don’t want her privacy and their lives sold for some reality TV show. That’s a choice Cate and Tyler have chosen to make When Carly is 18 she can reach out if she wants and they would have a better relationship.
@@Tasiaevansss I know what they (Brandon, Theresa, Carly) look like but only in the context of a few moments on the show. If they were walking down the street, I’d have a hard time recognizing any of them. Can’t say the same for the other Teen Mom kids and parents. Anonymity is precious when you have that kind of close connection to someone “famous”
@@Tasiaevansss Them agreeing to be on TV once, just so everyone can acknowledge who's who, means nothing now. It's been years. Brandon & Teresa have every right to privacy for themselves & their kids. Cate & Ty didn't lease Carly out to them as they make it seem. They can't even stick to simple terms they agreed to, for the sake of the child. Poor family was even stalked & they still don't care. Cate & Ty are delusional & I would never want them near me or my kid if I was in that situation
@@Tasiaevansss Brandon & Teresa agreed to an MTV one episode special. They had NO CLUE the whole teen mom franchise was starting. They thought it would be on once and they’d be done. Initially they wanted a closed adoption, them giving in an way the other direction is a blessing to Catelynn and Tyler!
Anyone judging these two have never walked a mile in their shoes. Tyler wasn’t blowing what Dawn said out of proportion, he was venting on how he was feeling about the situation & Dawn was & is a wonderful mediator. She understands how hard it is for both of them & the emotional toll it’s taken on them, Carly’s adoptive parents, & their families. It’s hard for Cate & Ty because mentally when they think of Carly, part of them will always remember that excruciating pain of handing her over, but they’re also stuck with the knowledge that they’re now secure enough to take care of her - but they can’t. Reaching out is just as hard for them as it is for Carly’s adoptive parents because they feel at their most vulnerable, & frightened of rejection on seeing & knowing how their first born is doing. It really is so hard all round. I won’t ever pass judgement on them & how they handle things, they aren’t perfect, none of us are, & it’s just as much of a learning curve for them as it is anyone. I love Dawn. I honestly don’t think either of them would’ve gotten through it without her, she’s an angel. x
I’m not trying to be rude, but this subject is getting old. I completely understand they were young and they wanted her to have a better life so they had Carly adopted. But I also understand why the adoptive parents are not wanting the daughter in the spotlight. Tyler and Catelynn lowkey keeps bashing them and stuff on camera, so that’s another reason why I understand why the adoptive parents don’t want them to see her.
Agree the parents were okay with the open adoption, but once ty and cate keep talking about wanting to see her more and wanting get to know her more, they said absolutely not🥺🥺🥺 it suck bc this isn’t what anyone thought it was going to be
If you ever adopted or placed for adoption, you would understand the the subject NEVER gets old or forgotten...It is an open wound, if you will, for the rest of their lives.
I think much of Cait's unresolved trauma stems from Tyler pushing the adoption on her. I've had that vibe from their very first episode, she was not on the same page as him and it truly kills her she went along with it. Very sad situation, my heart goes out to them all 🙏🏻
I think thats part of the reason why Tyler sticks around too. Its a shame really, i think they were too young to make such a monumental decision. I wonder if Butch and April feel any guilt about Carlys adoption, since a big reason they placed her was because of the unstable homes they were in at the time.
It’s interesting because I think the majority of her trauma comes from having a bad childhood/home life. Her mother was an abusive alcoholic, her father was absent from her life and her ex step father was a drug addict. I think Cate fixates on Carly to avoid dealing with those traumas.
I still wonder How was it legally possible for the then teenagers to make a decision about their daughter all by themselves? Ignoring the opinion of their parents who wanted Carly to remain in their family as a granddaughter... Allowing Dawn to manipulate and use them in her business.
The thing is. They still feel like they are her parents. They aren’t. They gave her up for adoption and they need to get over it. If the bio parents acted like they did, I wouldn’t want them around MY child. They are too wish washy about and act like they lent carlee to Brandon and Teresa
Get over it? That's a bit harsh and unrealistic. You can also look at it like this: Cate and Tyler were still children when they chose to give up their child for adoption. Maybe at the time they didn't even realize the implications it would have in the future...they were not mature. In a way this system takes advantage of the child parents to protect the innocent infant. You cannot even sign a contract legally before the age of 18 for the same reasons, yet they are signing away their own child at 16/17. Not saying that adoption is wrong in those circumstances I'm just saying you can't tell the 16 and 17 year olds to simply "get over it" lmao. It's more complicated than that.
@@vivalabad6 it is. They knew what they were doing and chose to do it. Had they not aired their dirty laundry about it and respected carlees parents about their privacy, they probably would have a better relationship.
@@vivalabad6 Nah, it’s not their daughter once they decided to give her up for adoption. Until she becomes adult than it’s up to her to decide if she wants a relationship with Tyler and Cait.
i understand why tylers so heated. imagine wanting something so so badly and being rejected multiple times. it hurts so much that you dont want to anymore
I think a lot of it is Cate and Tyler’s fault because they were having communication and pictures and visits with Carly until they kept posting the pictures and things about Carly on social media and tv after they were asked not to. Then when they were cut off from Carly for a while they went on tv and talked badly about her parents. Carly is 12 now, how do they think she would feel if she watched those episodes and saw them bad mouthing the parents that she loves and that they chose to raise her.
Exactly! And didn’t they have a date to meet one year but Cate and Tyler said the date didn’t work for them?!! What else do they do?! Then the last time thy did see her, Cate wasted visiting time on finishing that photo album that she had years to complete! Unfortunately, they screwed it up with going against B and T’s wishes then they bashed them on the show. They really did a very hard thing in putting her up for adoption but it still was the best decision, one cuz of their living environment at the time and two, look at All the mental issues Cate has and how she left her family... that affected Nova big time! Imagine how it would have affected two children. I see both sides but, unfortunately, Cate and Tyler are expecting more than most get... 🤷🏻♀️
I feel like the reason why the adopted parents don’t respond is because they are super suffocating like they are not baby sitters and They never put a thought that Carly probably knows who they are but she isn’t going to feel attached like they say she would be
Exactly. They need to understand that for Carly they aren’t her parents, she isn’t attached the same way. That could change but they need to step back a little and respect her parents.
Dawn just encouraged them to suffucate and ask. Dawn talks to the adoptive parents too. Why dont she just disclose some cold hard truths and where brandon and theresa head is really at
@@lc-bb6bd They haven't asked bc they've been told twice in the past because of their disrespect towards Teresa and Brandon. Not to mention they probably have asked but don't tell Dawn. They have suffocated Brandon & Teresa for 12 years. There's good reason why Carly's parents either say no to Caitlyn and Tyler or not respond.
Honestly if someone was gracious enough to bless me with a baby after struggling to conceive one on my own even if they didn’t reach out I would definitely send them updates. Like Cate and Ty made you parents and I feel like sending a text with a photo every now and then isn’t too much to ask. Especially with Theresa always promising she would keep in touch in the early days. I get why Cate and Ty give them space because how uncomfortable to ask Carly’s parents for updates when they don’t feel like carlys parents want them to
Poor Carly, didn't ask for any of this! I know they were young when they made the decision to give her up but they need to trust that Brandon & Theresa are doing their best for her. They have 2 other babies that need their undivided attention at the moment 😒🤦
Its not about not trusting them as parents. The adoption was always one where they wanted contact which is actually completely understandable and reasonable. The adoptive parents are doing carly a disservice by nit allowing her biological parents in her life. If the show is the problem, that's fine they can keep it separate.
@@melissagoode151 Cate & Ty have on MULTIPLE OCCASIONS gone against the very terms they agreed to, when they sat with the mediators & Carly's parents. They've blatantly disrespected Brandon & Teresa. They've also disrespected the mediators. The couple was even stalked because Cate & Ty post Carly on social media & broadcast every single detail about Carly on TM. I wouldn't be surprised if Carly is or has been to therapy because of that & potential bullying at school because even adopted kids are heavily picked on. Brandon & Teresa only want privacy. Adoption on it's own can be really tough. Now adding the birth parents who are okay with Carly & her family being under scrutiny of social media & TV. I honestly feel bad for them. They also have other kids they adopted, so Carly does have siblings. They too, are being protected from having details about them known by everyone. There's nothing wrong with any of what Brandon & Teresa are doing. The kids know they're all adopted. That doesn't mean everyone should know or be in their business. The kids may only want to deal with it when they're of age & when they're ready. It very well might be that Carly doesn't want to have a relationship with Cate & Ty for now. On top of all that's happened. It happens all the time for kids to feel that way & it's normal.
@@melissagoode151 It does since you say it's Brandon and Teresa doing Carly a disservice by not allowing her to be in Caitlyn and Tyler's life. Mbali m responded very well to your opinion.
LOL, Tyler was trying to blow everything that woman said out of proportion😩 I love how she stood her ground and eventually told them that they had to invest in that relationship
I certainly think that Cate and Tyler continuously reaching out is not good for their healing process with giving Carly up. When they reach out, and don't get a response, it upsets them. This is why at times an open adoption is not the best route, because it still keeps that window of opportunity open. I def think that this adoption counsellor is playing both sides - and if she was really looking out for everyone's best interest, I do not think she would continue to push Cate or Tyler to reach out, only to be left disappointed.
At least if they do reach out, Carly can never be mad that they never tried. When she grows up, and IF she wonders why she never had a relationship with Cate and Tyler, she’ll know it was her adoptive parents who prevented it.
When Carly turns 18 years old she going to ask lots of questions she may come cross the show and ask about cate and Tyler she may want to see them with out cameras on and have a one on one talk about everything
@@cmck5653 , exactly. Cate and Tyler went from harassing Carlys MOM AND DAD to "if we can't have our way, **** off." There is a happy medium but that would involve Cate and Tyler knowing their place. I wish they would focus Nova, Vaeda and the new baby and let Cary live her life.
I think everyone failed these two tremendously. They could’ve kept her. The hospital,their parents,social services,TLC failed them. They took advantage of their age. Catelynn for sure suffers PTSD,Depression from the trauma. And they both keep having babies to try to fill that void.
I agree with this. And Brandon and Teresa wanted that baby so bad that they agreed to open adoption. They should have had a closed adoption. I don’t think catelynn and Tyler understood entirely how the process was going to be like. They were so young. Also people like to judge catelynn, but giving up that baby really affected her. I don’t think she’s lazy. I think she doesn’t know how to cope and is very unhappy and is just counting down till that little girl is 18 and they can reach out
@@redlipstickpsycho1 I agree it’s sad Catelynn has suffered this whole time and wasted basically her whole life since she gave up Carly due to PTSD with her whole situation. Then having more kids that she ignores it never will fill the void she has that needs to be healed.
Ya they could’ve kept her, but if they had it’s highly likely that Cate and Ty would’ve split up and never would’ve gotten married and had their other children. Look at the rest of the cast of Teen Mom and Teen Mom 2. None of them stayed with their baby daddies, cause that is a major responsibility while still so young.
It always blows my mind that Dawn STILL has contact with Cate & Ty. She is STILL involved after 12 years. She is an amazing adoption counselor & person. Adoption is the most selfless act a parent can do. I wish more people would consider adoption.
Honestly after watching how all of this played out, it seems to have turned some people off from adoption. I was reading about this just recently how many people used this case as their reason for changing their minds about local adoption. In the past adoptions were closed. Now it's beyond being open but more like adoptive parents are expected to have a relationship with bio parents. And to hear these poor kids regretting their decision so openly and to hear the sister saying she wishes she had her sister living in their house, a lot of people no longer are open to the idea of adoption within the US. That's why so many go overseas. They want to feel like the child is their own. Not that they are sharing the child with the "real" family. Brandon and Theresa to this day get lots of hate saying they were wrong for keeping the baby and they should have given Carly back. I feel sorry for everyone on all sides of this. I really wish Tyler and Caitlyn could have temporarily given up Carly to a foster home and then gotten her back. It wasn't long after the adoption that they started making good money from MTV and were able to get out ouf their houses and into their own place. Basically they made a permanent decision for a temporary problem and I'm sure that eats at them every day.
i wonder if they’ve ever considered leaving the show for carly. if her parents don’t want her on camera, living in private might make her parents more comfortable reaching out and involving catelynn and tyler in her life.
You know they have never considered that lol. They need to fund their lifestyle. Cait is out here buying horses and going to these lavish mental health vacations, etc. They can't afford to leave the show.
That's too much of risk of losing Carly completely... There was never a way to know that Carly may choose not to have a relationship with Cate and Tyler.. They had to move on with their lives and plans. There was no certainty in early days that Cate and Tyler would manage to stay together and build a life.. Nothing is promised but at least they could ensure Carly had a great home no matter what happened to their lives.
That could be true but when she’s 18 years old and comes across the show she going to ask lots of questions and she may want to see Kaitlyn and Tyler and sit down and talk to them one on one without the cameras being involved
I haven't watched this show in a long time but the last I did, I remember Tyler ignoring the adoptive parents wishes about not posting Carly on their socials. The adoptive parents seem to trying protect Carly whereas Catelynn and Ty are still approaching this situation very selfishly and immature.
I'm sure they would agree to her not being filmed or on the show, if they were granted facetime, pictures and updates. I'm sorry but Brandon and theresa have acted like this was a closed adoption from the beginning and it's not it's open.If they wanted to adopt a child and raise it as their own with no contact or communication from the biological parents they should have opted for a closed adoption. Throughout the years, they both have complained that the adoptive parents hardly ever let them see Carly, send pics or update them, which is wrong.
They need therapy ... it was a traumatic event giving up their baby. The still relive the trauma:( this trauma is stopping them from being the best parents to Nova. No judgement on my part since I could only imagine how hard it would be to give a child . It’s a pain you will carry with you always but since they have more kids now they need to take accountability and do the work (therapy) so they can show up for the kids they do have custody. Maybe when Carly is older she will reach out to them herself, they have a big platform so I’m sure she will have access to them .
Honestly I feel bad for Nova her parents are always talking and thinking about Carly it's like shes put on the back burner for a girl that doesn't even have a relationship with them
I feel that for caitlynn and tyler it constantly feels like theyre reliving the pain and regret of giving up carly over and over again but also trying to respect brandon, teresa and carlys lives by letting them get on with it.
They really don't respect Brandon & Teresa. The only reason why they're keeping less contact, is because Cate & Ty broadcast every single detail about Carly on TV, post her on social media & act as if they have shared custody. They don't. They literally allowed visits as long as they were kept private. But Cate & Ty don't want to adhere to those simple things. Everyone, including the mediator agreed it was in the best interest of the child until she's of age. But no, Cate & Ty want to play victim even though they're the instigators🤦♀️
I can't imagine how hard it is for them, especially with how alike their children look to Carly. It probably feels like a piece of there family will always be missing
I hope once Carly turns 18 she can make the decisions on wether or not she wants a a relationship with her birth parents . Everything has its timing , what they did was out of pure love and selflessness, nothing else . ❤️
Brandon and Teresa just want to raise Carly in PEACE. I am glad they are keeping her off camera. Carly can decide if she wants to have a relationship with Catelynn and Tyler when she becomes an adult. Catelynn really doesn't need to be trying for more kids right now.
Ain’t no money coming out your pocket to pay them unless you are buying products from the commercials that air during their show. And that still doesn’t give you the right to tell someone else what they can/can’t or need / don’t need to do. So STFU. They earn their $$$
I don’t agree. You don’t go into adoption without being fully informed. They went into an open adoption, and I think they thought seeing would be more open and easy.
@@jacs2cents98 true. I also think though this isn't any old open adoption. What they thought was probably a one of event following the adoption process has turned into 10/12 year of a global TV show.
As a mother myself I can only imagine how hard this is for all concerned ... but Brandon and Teresa are her parents, yes it was an open adoption but they must watch how chaotic Tyler and especially Caits life are and still face many serious issues they have yet to overcome. None of them had any idea what a huge phenomenon MTV teen mom would become and as a parent I would be worried myself on how this affected my daughter. They all love Carly but you chose adoption and it should be enough that you know Carly has a wonderful life with parents that love her .. that’s all you wanted in the beginning of the journey.
True but come on now they was 16. i’m pretty sure we all have a little regret wouldnt hurt the parents if they can at least say hi on her bday like dam .. especially her mom the one who pushed her out
I agree. I don't think they should have been able to "change the adoption terms" when they for sure wanted an open adoption I think the adoptive parents are being very selfish.
No really, they could’ve adopted a different child that parents chose closed adoption, and could’ve let them pick parents that agree on open adoption, they would’ve never chose them as parents if they was going to all of a sudden change their mind
As a parent on the adoptive side of things, I can see why Brandon and Teresa probably have made the choices they have. Tyler was posting pics of Carly on social media when they specifically said they didn’t want them to do that. Cate did have issues where she wasn’t even home with nova. The one job Brandon and Teresa have is to love and care for Carly and do what is in her best interest. I feel that maybe cate and ty are angry because it wasn’t their shortcomings that made the adoption decision, it was their toxic families and environment that did. I feel that Brandon and Teresa get the brunt of the anger, but all they’ve done is love and provide for Carly. Cate and ty need to find a way to make peace with the choice they made and why they made it. I’m sure they feel cheated, but it happens to a lot of us in different ways. They have kids of their own that need their love and attention and they should feel blessed that they’ve had another chance to be the best parents. They need to fully focus on that and let the anger go. On another note, I’m sure Brandon and Teresa feel cheated too because the relationship with cate and ty has been hard with their public personas. I’m sure it would be easier in many ways without tv cameras in their lives for the past 10 plus years. Just my thoughts
I’m going to come out and say it because I’ve been watching since the first episode of 16 and pregnant. I think that Cate and Tyler shouldn’t have went on the show. Now I know they have been and made a lot of money from it but they could’ve kept Carly and found jobs to support themselves and their daughter. They also could’ve had her mom or his mom watch Carly even though I know the parents had a bad lifestyle. Cate allowed her mom to watch Nova all the time and the mom never changed. I feel like this show really made their anxiety and depression spiral out of control too. They are brave parents for giving up their daughter but I feel like if they still had her things for the better would have changed around.
Me Personally I never like Brandon and Theresa from the beginning I always felt like their mission was to keep Carly Away as soon as Cate and Ty signed over their rights I’m glad they did what they thought was best at the time but then again I wish they would have kept her or chosen better adoptive parents. It’s not fair how they keep Cate and Ty away because regardless they will always be Carly’s BIOLOGICAL parents !!
I feel so bad for them. I understand that they chose to give Carly up for adoption but they were ONLY 16. I just turned 17 and can barely decide on what I want to wear to graduation I can’t imagine the struggle of trying to find they best home and family for your child.
Other couples are that young, keep and raise their babies in even worse situations and with no excuses. It was their choice, and it is what it is. Carly will choose when she’s 18. If she doesn’t want to be around them, that’s their fault for giving her up.
@@andreavictoria1091 No. Absolutely not. They did what was best for them given their circumstances. It is absolutely ridiculous that you blame them for giving her up when Butch and April were abusive, that is NOT an "excuse". You expected them to keep a baby knowing it could have grown up to watch their grandparents overdose on heroin and throw their mom around? That is obscene you think that Catelynn and Tyler were at fault in the scenario. Younger couples in worse situations keep their children, sure, but a MAJORITY of times the child grows up in a broken home with trauma and continues the cycle of abuse. You really think that is worth the gamble? You think them keeping a child in an abusive house is better than giving them up to a family that loves them? That speaks MUCH more on you than it does on Catelynn and Tyler.
@@andreavictoria1091 It sounds like you’re judging and villainizing them just because they did what was best for their daughter. Both Cate and Ty come from homes of abuse and addiction, so they made a very complex and difficult decision to give their baby a BETTER life and chance. I’m 10000% sure that had they known the success and security “Teen Mom” would soon bring they would have kept Carly but such is life. They still have the right to love her and miss her and want to see her.
@@soleonmariluna8606 when did they say it was anyone’s fault? If Carly doesn’t want a relationship with them, then it is their fault. They gave her up, that’s that. It was a decision that was made and they made it and now have to deal with the hand of that choice. Sure it’s hard, but pregnant teens make decisions like this because they got pregnant young.
Look I get they miss that relationship with their daughter and I know that is hard but if they don't want you in her life there is nothing you can do about it at all. We make choices and sometimes they are hard but when you do you have to live with what is given in the end and if it is no communication then that is what you have to deal with.
Alternatively she could decide once and for all she doesn't want to participate in the conversation and its not anyone's decision but her own. I wonder if T&C are prepared for that possibility
@@teesceeo Totally.Tyler thinking he had the right to put pics up of Carly on social media.And he wonders why teresa and Brandon have pulled back on their commutation.
What’s really sad is that bio parents are made to feel like an “open adoption” gives them more rights but in the end, the adoptive parents will always get to make the end decision.
And thank goodness it's that way. Brandon & Teresa have been stalked because Cate & Ty constantly post Carly on social media & broadcast every single detail about her on TM. Any normal parent wouldn't want their child subjected to such. Also, Cate can barely take care of herself at times. They also surround themselves with toxic people. On top of that, they're so rude to almost everyone. Even to the mediators. They also come late to certain scheduled visits, even though they had enough time to come through. Also, many kids get picked on when everyone knows they're adopted. Carly may only want to deal with Cate & Ty when she's of age & ready. Brandon & Teresa are doing a good job by allowing her to have a normal childhood, not under the scrutiny of TV. Birth parents have a sick tendency of not honoring agreements. Many barely reach out, unless something is in it for them. Especially when the kid is older. They expect the kid to do things for them. We've all seen it. Or they just reach out because their conscience gets to them. In this case, clearly, Carly is better off living privately with her parents. Cate & Ty don't have shared custody & must stop being so demanding, whilst barely making any efforts. They literally act like Janelle, when Barb had to take Jace for his own sake
All open adoption means is that bio families can know the name of the adoptive family and information about the adoption before the child reaches the age of majority. That’s it. Nothing more. It doesn’t mean “blended family dinners every Sunday” and “phone calls every Wednesday”.
I wonder if the financial strain was a huge part of their decision to adopt her out, and because in the end they ended up with a show for years that made them not really have the financial strain they thought they were going to have ????!!!
That’s one of those interesting scenarios because if they hadn’t placed Carly in adoption then MTV wouldn’t have picked them for Teen Mom so if they kept Carly they most likely wouldn’t be as rich as they are now
It wasn’t just about money. Are you all forgetting that toxic and abusive Butch and April were one of the big reasons they placed Carly? Carly did not need to spend one second in that household regardless of how settled financially Cate and Ty are now.
This is where the regret of the adoption comes in. Respect their decision but the Lord will always provide and make a way. Personally, I'll would of kept my child and work 2 jobs if I needed to
I still question dawn’s authenticity everything she says is in a frame of “they should reach out,” but not putting any responsibility on her adoptive parents making an effort to open themselves to the relationship with parents and child
I used to love them as a unit but the older they get the more I realize that catelynn is extremely toxic and I’m pretty sure Tyler only stays with her out of habit and comfort. I’m pretty sure she also got pregnant just to keep Tyler around because, they were about to break up before she got pregnant with either Nova or Veada. I also feel sorry for T and B (Carly’s parents): they don’t owe C and T anythhinnngg.. but C and T act like they are second parents when that shouldn’t be the case.
Honestly I feel like they regret it, I do believe that they thought that they couldn’t properly provide for Carly at the time, but if they had known that they would continue to work for MTV for the next 12 years, and be able to provide for Carly and their other children, they would have kept her.
It’s also a catch-22 cause if they’d kept her, MTV may not have decided to keep their story going. They may not have stayed together and had their other kids. Anything is possible. But I do agree that they are feeling a lot of regret. They should probably be in counseling working through that, not just meeting with Dawn once in a while.
I wish them well. I’m sorry they’re experiencing any kind of pain. They gave their daughter a better life. Sometimes it comes across they’re so concerned with Carly. However don’t seem to give the same amount of attention to their two daughters they are parenting. Also Carly is 12 years old. She may not want to be as involved as Cate and Ty want her to be.
I cannot fathom seeing two kids grow into adults, wanting to maintain a relationship with their child, and as an adoptive parent, telling them to kick rocks. I know there are people out there that have issues, or would dip in and out whenever it was convenient, but I don't feel like Catelynn and Tyler are like that. Why you would force distance between people who want to love and support their own child is just...beyond me. It's just downright cruel, especially to Carly. Imagine growing up, thinking your parents didn't want you, and then getting older and realizing your adoptive parents kept them from you. Awful.
we are only seeing catelynn and tyler’s side, though. who is to say that carly even wants a relationship with them? why are we assuming that brandon and theresa told carly that they didn’t want her?
Am i supposed to feel bad for them? Because i don’t. You cant complain and say you want a bond then not communicate?? That’s probably some of why they dont want visits?? Because you only reach out to benefit you when you wanna see her! Not just to check in. See how she is. Even if they tell you to back off, you tried. And yeah tyler, duh you have to go through her parents. She’s their kid! You dont just get free access!! If youre not willing to b uncomfortable, then dont complain you have no bond!
Cate kept reaching out. Right after her visit. Wanting to take the kids to the beach. However not taking into account that these visits need to be planned. Carly I’m sure needs to feel prepared. Unfortunately it just can’t be a spur of the moment thing.
@@colleen1219 thats my point. It might help if they reached out just to say hi. Not for a visit. They want this total access to a kid thats not theirs. And then tyler gets mad when they dont get it. It’s not on your terms
I truly believe the show blowing up ultimately derailed a lot of the relationship. Going in everyone thought it was going to be a one episode deal, and then everyone would move on with their lives and continue the open adoption. No one knew Teen Mom would be still going strong over a decade later. B&T grew increasingly uncomfortable with the world watching, and I truly don't think Dawn the adoption counselor was equipped or helped the relationship between all parties involved. So I understand both sides of frustration.
They agreed to an open adoption and they started all of this on a reality show , so for the adoptive parents saying they didn't want to be on TV is like 🤷🏻♀️ . I also feel like there needs to be more support and assistance with teens putting their children up for adoption bc I lowkey felt like there was some manipulation during that whole process with Kate....She was led to believe that it was an open adoption and I dont think they gave her a good idea of what that looked like....
They weren’t the stars of said TV show, and as their child gets older they want privacy like any sane parent would want. Also, who would have thought this series would be on for this long? Not I
Dawn sat down with them and went threw all the paperwork a few seasons ago. It said it would be an open adoption untill the age of 5 or something close to that. After that they may receive updates and request visits but it is at the discretion of the adoptive parents. They have to reach out and ask. Dawn has literally been saying the same thing to them for years and they still don't get it.
I think since someone cld give you the best gift you could ever receive especially when your not able to have your own children you wld think you’d like them to be a part of your life as long they’re not bad ppl which cate and tyler are not...Its honestly unfair to them and carlie..They are not trying to take her from y’all just want to be able to be a part of carlies life also! They wanted this from the beginning and y’all were fine till you got everything finalized yall are just selfish seems more the mom then the dad!
I just remember the episode were Caitlyn gave birth to Carly, was SO sad. Like, I cried back than and everytime I watched it. Caitlyn saying she didn't wanna look at Carly coming out broke my heart. I don't really like Brandon and Theresa anymore. I have a bad feeling about them. Almost like they took advantage of a young naive couple, got the baby they wanted then said screw Caitlyn and Tyler.
They can absolutely have a relationship with Carly off camera. Only a tiny portion of their life is being filmed. Just because they are on TV doesn't mean they shouldn't get to have a relationship with their daughter. They made it clear they wanted an open adoption and Brandon and Theresa need to respect that and work with them. All four of them need to get into a room with a therapist and figure it out and actually do what they say they will do.
I remember that she didnt seem like she wanted to give her i remember that she stayed a couple of hours with her daughter taking pictures This lady came in and said ok lets go cause her parents are waitibg out side to meet there new daughter That got me mad😠 that she rushed them I feel bad cause they did want to keep her but then felt no other choise this is my opione
I feel like this isn’t fair for the parents that adopted the child. She’s their daughter now and they can’t keep asking to be I carleys life. When she is older she can decide if she wants to talk to them or not! Let her live her life please. With that said I don’t know what it’s like to give up your child for adoptions I’m just stating my opinion
@Lillian Paige oh then that’s totally changed my mind and opinion. I don’t think that’s fair to shut them out completely when they agreed to be open and let them in her life
I think the adoption was changed at some point to semi closed. My only issue is that Cate and Tyler have been on camera bashing the adoptive parents and going against what they have asked of Cate and Tyler. I do think that somewhere along the line there has been some sort of misunderstanding with all of them. Or Cate and Tyler didn’t totally understand what they were getting into.
@Lillian Paige, I actually don't think that is true... an open adoption can literally just mean that the biological and adoptive parents share their identifying/contact information so they can potentially get in touch. But the level of contact isn't a legally binding agreement and either party can choose to back away from the contact they initially agreed to as well. In this specific case, I think Brandon and Teresa did that when Teen Mom became a full-fledged, long-term reality show and Catelynn and Tyler didn't respect the boundaries they wanted to keep Carly from dealing with that sort of publicity. This is a fair choice IMO, as we've seen some of the kids on the show now it's been mentioned that their friends have seen things on the show. Also now as we see Bentley, Leah and even Aubree setting boundaries about their relationships with their parents, it's entirely possible that Carly is setting similar boundaries. I mean, she knows her parents to be Brandon and Teresa, maybe she doesn't want to know Catelynn and Tyler.
They have an open adoption so that is what it is, asking for a relationship and keeping one over time, and getting updates and pictures, but Brandon and Teresa changed their minds about all that after Carly was getting older bc people were starting to notice them in stores and malls, and it wasn’t cool nor was it comfortable. and then cate and ty didn’t see her for years and have not gotten pictures in years as well, and see again since 2018 or 2019, they haven’t seen her🥴🥴🥴 it’s sad all around
I wish they would leave Carly and her family alone. They gave her up. They are no longer her parents. They need to understand this and move on with their lives. If I were the adoptive parents, I would honestly try to get the adoption closed and cut off all ties with them.
I agree...it’s like they want all the privileges of being her parents when they didn’t raise her! How do u think Carly feels knowing she was given away & then they kept the other daughters
@@Ph.D.. I’m very familiar with open adoption & it doesn’t mean that you can push all that stuff on a kid whenever you want....it literally could jst mean u know the persons name & send them a Christmas card every year....I think it’s easier to say your gunna let all that happen in the beginning b4 they’ve had a chance to raise the kid....Once real life hits things can change...Let the parents she was raised with make the final decision on all that...The kid is prob fine in her life & this could cause disruptions...It can def be a positive experience but u can’t pressure it
I’m really praying for both sets of parents in this situation. Carley is so blessed to have so many people that love her and want to be apart of her life. And it makes me want to cry considering the situation that everyone is in. But she won’t be little forever. And it will ultimately be her choice to have a relationship with her biological parents and siblings. And I think Tyler and his beautiful wife have enough love on their hearts genuinely to make up for any lost time. I have so much respect for Brandon and his beautiful wife as well! Prayers for everyone involved. Life is so hard. But we gain strength through love listen to Jesus! Love is what everyone needs!
So true no matter what just keep trying reaching out whether accepted or not because she won’t be twelve for ever when she reaches her adult years her adoptive parents won’t have control on her choices or relationships with her birth parents or anyone else🤷🏻♀️
I feel like Tyler is just not a good listener. He always gets super loud and interrupts but there’s always an underlying sarcasm and hostility behind it. He’s like constantly worked up.
It's so sad because Catelynn and Tyler thought that they wouldn't be able to take care of Carly because they were only 16 and poor but now they are on MTV and making millions of dollars and definitely able to provide a stable home for her but can't because they gave her away.
They wouldn’t have known teen mom would last this long. They have also felt their relationship would not have made it. JMO but I think they rely on so much therapy that they have been misguided at times. My niece found out she was pregnant at 7 months. Not much time to plan. Guess who adopted her baby? Her therapists friends. It never sat w me well.
Rejection is hard enough but getting rejected whilst trying to reach out to your first born is even harder so I can only imagine how hard taking that step is
The adoptive parents should definitely change the terms of the adoption to no contact at this point. They want to be in her life and ultimately, they will want a say and its a no no. She'll be 18 then she can decide but until they need to seriously focus on they kids they currently have.
I hope when Carly is 18 she will reach out and have a good relationship with them. I feel bad for Cate and Ty because i cannot imagine being on their shoes. On a side note, does anyone else get tired of that dang commercial after the MTV clips?? Lol
YES TYLER YOUR RESPONSIBILITY AS A PARENT IS TO ASK ABOUT YOUR CHILD IF YOU TRULY CARE OF HER WELL BEING! i don’t get why you get so defensive about it! As a teen mom i chose to keep my baby, he is now 9yo and i remind him that even if i don’t offer him luxury, he will always be rich of love from us! slowly but surely we will make it! YOU GUYS HAVE NOT ACCOMPLISHED ANYTHINGGGG ! JUST HAD MORE CHILDREN! ATLEAST SHOULD OF GOTTEN A DEGREE TO MAKE YOUR DAUGHTER’S ADOPTION WORTH IT! love teen mom 2 but i disagree with you on this one. . .
I can understand Brandon and Teresa's POV, but at the end of the day, Caitlynn and Tyler are her birth parents, and it should be up to Carly to decide if she wants to spend more time with them.
Legally speaking no in the eyes of the court she is still a minor once she hits 18 than it’s completely her decision however we don’t know what Brandon and Teresa is telling her we don’t know if she thinks Tyler and Cait don’t love her or want her she is only 12
It's not about Cate and Ty. It's all about Brandon and Teresa and their feelings as the people who raise, clothe, feed and love on Carly. Yes, Tyler is RIGHT. Him and Cate do have to ask for Brandon and Teresa's permission on everything that happens with Carly until the day she turns 18. And if they want their space from Cate and Ty until Carly is 18 and able to make her own decisions than so be it. As Carly's parents they have every right to keep Carly from Cate and Ty. Whether or not that is the best thing for Carly in the long run, hard to say. But it is Brandon and Teresa's right as parents to do what they want.
I feel like they need to give it up already they need to focus on Nova the child they do have because they were given a second with her and they tend to focus a lot on Carly even though they are her birth parents they are not her mom and dad they didn't raise her and she doesnt see them as her parents
To whoever is reading this: your skin is not paper so don't cut it your body isn't a book so don't judge it your heart isn't a door so don't lock it your life isn't a film so don't end it your beautiful and don't let anyone else change it !!!! have a good day / night :)
Me neither! I hate when Teresa says : is my child ! She always talks and leave Brandon looking stupid or ignored! She doesn’t wanted to be an open adoption , she accepted and the beginning just to get Carly that’s it ! She looks like if she was so obsess to have a baby that she would accept everything and then neglect the terms
Yes tyler it is your responsibility to reach out and them to respond, Dawn is right in everything she told them. Seems like they don’t want to take responsibility of their decisions of slacking.
I feel like Brandon and Theresa are 🗑. Cait & Tyler gave them the biggest blessing and for them to turn back and treat them like this by not allowing them to see her and reach out is disgusting
I just don’t get giving her up for adoption just to have a grip of kids right after. It’s like trying to fill the void but nah. And keeping in contact with her is just making it harder for them. They gave her up and they need to move on.
I believe once she is 18 she is going to reach out way more and make her own decisions to be closer to them. I know her adoptive parents want her out of the spotlight but they both have to work it out to where mtv is not there at all and they have their time with her
that used to be the case but catelynn and tyler kept talking about carly on the show even after they were asked not to and continuously spoke badly about carly’s parents on the show. that’s when visits and communication with her stopped. honestly catelynn and tyler had everything they wanted with the open adoption set up but refused to stop bringing them up on the show even after being asked nicely by them several times. catelynn and tyler are really the only ones responsible for putting themselves in this situation
@@spontaneously01 true but how are you going to show your journey of adoption if you can’t talk about it. They don’t show them or their daughter they talk about it because they have their feelings with the whole situation. And if I’m not wrong after she turn 2 or 3 they were already having issues with them. I’m so for privacy but they don’t get force into being on the show. And the show shouldn’t be a factor in their open adoption if they haven’t showed their daughter more than twice on the show
@@spontaneously01 I totally understand but like I said they were having problems way before they even started to talk more about them on the show. Like you just said they have the right to talk about them however they feel like it I don’t think that should a factor on their adoption because they are cutting in to their rights of speaking however they feel like it. Like I said she is going to be 18 one day and she is going to be able to make her decisions on how to handle her situation with them
@@michellemarquez3916 I see where you’re coming from too I think all of our points are valid and we’ll probably hear more about the other side (if she wants anything to do with the show/public opinion) when she turns 18
This is a situation as frustrating as it is you have to keep making the effort, not for the adoptive parents but for Carly. When the time comes when Carly is an adult they could say we always reached out even when it was hard or we got no response, we kept trying for you
Things changed for the adoptive parents when they realized the teen show was gonna go on til the teens are 30. At the time they were like yea we'll be part of it to show about open adoption but they didn't sign up to keep showing their family over 12 yrs
Its a crazy there's only 6 years left til she's 18
Oh my goodness wowwww that’s so crazy to think about!!!!
I wonder if Carly will reach out to her birth parents or vice versa.....
Yeah carly is my daughters age.
I was 27 yrs old when the first teen mom aired ... I'm now 40! It really puts time into perspective.
Ugh don't remind me, my son was born May 6, 2009 .. I was jealous that they had had Carly on the 18th. May 18th is my deceased father's bday. He passed while I was pregnant. It's those little things that matter sometimes. Now our kids are going to be driving soon enough. I hope Carly takes a drive over to Tyler and Cate and gets a chance to know how much they love her.
They really need to remember their situation at 16... They were living with 2 addicts and a 100 kids in a trailer. They didn't have a good place for her to live in and they didn't want to give her a life less than perfect. They made this decision out of unconditional, selfless love. I wish they could make peace with that decision. I really feel their pain.
Tyler has always lived with his mom🤨
@@berenicelopez1424 they split the time and Cates family needed her to survive. It wasn't a good situation to bring a child into. They made the right decision for Carly at the time.
They weren't even 16, I think they were 13 or 14
@@coryf725 they where 17 when Carly was born ...
I’m sure if they had known teen mom would be what it is they wouldn’t have considered adoption. I bet it’s hard to know they could have supported her with their income. Of course if they hadn’t chosen adoption they may have not been picked for the show so who knows.
It would be interesting to hear Carlys side of everything when she is old enough.
I agree. Everyone seems to be talking for her and making assumptions about what she wants but it’d be nice to actually hear how she feels. Maybe when she is 18 she might feel comfortable talking about her experience.
Absolutely
In 6 years you will
We probably will
Keanne-Danielle Reavley I’m sure she’s very happy. They didn’t expect teen mom to go on for 10+ years and be in the spotlight. Just an odd scenario when you add TV and lots of fans everything.
They both regret putting her up for adoption and I believe Brandon and Teresa know that, that’s why I feel like their relationship has become strenuous over the years
Catelynn regret not Tyler he wanted it at the time
I think they ended up regretting it more once Brandon & Theresa made it more of a semi-closed adoption
True
They regret it because now that they have this mtv money , they realize “wow what if”
Well there is a strain bc Teresa and Brandon, don’t want her in public eye and don’t want her name and face and all her business out there, they were okay in the beginning with the open adoption but now that she is 12ish-13ish, they don’t want it out there anymore. But it’s sad bc they signed up for an open adoption but now they don’t want ty and cate involved as much anymore 🥴
I think Dawn plays both sides of the fence. I would like to hear a conversation between her and Carly's adoptive parents without them knowing someone is taping.
I'm sure most therapists are, because you have to help each person understand.
It’s her job to play both sides.
Of course, it's her job and technically both parties are correct in their feelings and thoughts.
@@vivalabad6 exactly, but according to these comments the only feelings that matter are Cate and Ty’s.
Exactly Dawn is a Viper
When Dawn said - “What would Carly be like as a twelve year old” - that really made me feel old! My 11 yearold self witnessed Cate and Ty make the biggest decision of their lives at the age of 16/17 and it was so emotional to watch x
Omg Yes!! I was in elementary when their episode first aired, and now I’m in college..crazy how time flies!
@trishdadish82 I know right. The show premiered in 2009 I had just turned 20. I just turned 32. I’m old.
I think they're happy she has a good family, but regret that the family doesn't fully cooperate with them. Like most open adoptions have parents that send pics and allow visitation and in many ways accept the birth parents as a second family. It feels more like they wanted a closed adoption and just agreed to an open one so they could get Carly. You literally would not have this child if they hadn't picked you. Give them something.
They have said before that this is a very different adoption because the bio parents are on tv. When this first happened none of them thought this show would blow up and they don't their daughter on national TV. I think we need to remember who the actual parents are and that's Brandon and Theresa.
@@samanthagray7297 they had no problem being on tv before and after adoption took place I truly believe they wanted a baby so bad that the played a couple of teens to get what they wanted and sad nobody sees that
@@yenidamian4942 Agreed. And besides, what does them being on tv have to do with it? They don't have to have the cameras present when they visit her. All that can be worked around, but they don't seem like they care to try.
@Pipe Dreamer it doesn’t matter if their on tv their not asking to put her on tv ,they just want to see her even if it’s off camera
When you put your child up for adoption, you agree to an open adoption at the discretion of the adoptive parents. Sorry, but I don’t think these people are the most stable and maybe they don’t want them around their kid. Very confusing and difficult situation.
The sad truth is that Cate and Tyler REGRET placing Carly, and they want her back. Her adopted parents have a responsibility to raise their daughter in the way they feel is best. I hope they can all come together and have scheduled yearly visits, like was promised years ago.
Carly is not Catelyn and Tyler's daughter legally and blood means nothing .Put yourself in Theresa and Brandon shoes they raised Carly ever since she was a new born and it is not fair to them. Catelyn needs to understand and move on.
@@juliebatalia7946 Eventually, it will be up to Carly. If she decides she wants to pursue a relationship with Catelynn and Tyler once she becomes of age, then Brandon and Theresa cannot do anything to stop it.
@@dawggirl I believe Carly will only TRUELY understand both sides of her (birth/adoptive) parents once she has her own child(ren)
That's weird, my comment got cut off. I was saying that B+T won't be able to have any say once she's of age if Carly decides she wants Cait and Tyler in her life.
@Alissaa ya but Tyler and Caitlin weren't respecting their wishes to not post pictures about Carly on social media. They overrode her parents decision & continuously ignoring their wishes. At the end of the day brandon and Theresa are her parents. Also Tyler and Caitlin are lazy and surround themselves with toxic people who have substance abuse issues. I wouldn't want my kids around people like that.
It's so ironic how they're literally they only couple still together and the only couple that chose adoption.
Teen Mom 3's Mackenzie Mckgee and Josh stayed together... they have 3 kids.
I think the fact that they were together for so long prior played a role. Plus they have always been bestfriends/life partners. It's been a beautiful relationship to watch grow.
@@Msladyrae92 indeed it has been.
@@shimmer4771 oh yeah how did I forget them. Shout out to them as well.
@@shimmer4771 That's not a relationship worth praising either.
I feel like Brandon and Teresa get put down a lot for something that isn’t their fault... They made it clear from the beginning that they don’t want Carly subjected to the scrutiny that comes with being on television. They had NO IDEA that Cate and Ty were going to be on the show for a hundred years. It was SUPPOSED to be about teen pregnancy and we all know they aren’t teenagers anymore. I feel for everyone involved but in the end, as Dawn pointed out, Catelynn and Tyler don’t reach out... unless the cameras are rolling it seems. Take a moment and consider that before you sling mud at the two people who clearly put Carly first in every situation.
Thank you. An intelligent comment. Everyone is so quick to judge Brandon and Theresa because they’re only getting the story from Cate and Ty’s perspective. Everyone needs to remember there are two sides and experiences to this story.
Regardless they do need to schedule a visit. Obviously with out the cameras if they don’t feel comfortable. But I think because since cate and Tyler were really young when they made this decision I think eventually carly’s adopted parents were hoping that it would become a close adoption. Since cate and Tyler were very young I think eventually they though that they would let it go
I agree. I feel like Tyler and Cate are expecting too much. They put her up for adoption and now she has a new set of parents. I understand they regret it but they aren’t babysitting her they’re raising her.
I agree. And the time they had w her (which I think was the last) they were super late because of finishing that photo album that Cate insisted she needed to give it to her that day even though she had years to put it together (what else does she do?)!! Even the case worker told her, don’t miss out on your time and Cate got snotty w her.
Plus, they had no real solid direction on what they really did and how it worked. I think the case worker made it sound so easy to them promising more than what Brandon and T may have thought to do. And you’re right, who would have known they’d still be on TV! Otherwise, I think they would have set the boundaries back then.
Yes, absolutely. The moment when they signed the adoption was very different. They thought the show was a one time thing and after it Cate and Tyler would finish high school and go to college, that's very different scenario from what's happening right now.
If they contact Carly it has to appear on the show because that's their job.
The adoptive family never thought in a million years that these two would've stayed together n the fact that they had more children probably scared the crap out of them thinking they would want Carly back.
They can’t have her back. They signed their rights away 😂
They took advantage of two young kids point blank period
This is why I think open adoptions are difficult. The birth parents want to build a relationship but the adoptive parents don’t want to feel like they were just loaned the child to raise but aren’t the real parents.
I agree too, being adopted myself. I couldn’t think of anything harder than having an open adoption and just feeling like your waiting to pass the child back over to their biological parents. I can only imagine how hard of a situation for the adoptive parents it would be.
@@jordanbellamy1722 Yeah, it can’t be easy giving up the child but I can see how the limbo and grey area of relationship would be hard for both sets of parents.
I don’t think is proof that open adoption doesn’t work.
They came to an agreement upon adopting Carly that they would have visitations.
The adoptive parents haven’t held their end of the agreement.
Caitelynn was 16 years old. She trusted the adults guiding her decision.
That kind of is the fact of the matter, however. They WERE just "loaned" the child to raise. They have the privilege of being with her every day of her childhood, but they do not OWN her. She will (of course) want her birth parents in her life after she is 18. Ask any adoptee. The worst thing any one can do to her is to force her to choose sides...make her feel guilty for daring to love her birth parents as well as her adoptive parents. None of us OWN our children. We are loaned them, given them to protect and raise and love, but we have to let them go one day and let them make their own choices. Brandon and Teresa have become very selfish with Carly. They do not want to share her love with her other parents. They want to control her, own her, keep her to themselves forever...and that's just not how parenting works.
Catelynn and Tyler gave Carly over completely to these people. And Brandon and Teresa can't bring themselves to share her love with them?
I think Carly’s adoptive parents didn’t realize how big the show would get at the time and how much attention it would receive. I think that’s why they decided to have some space and keep Carly out of the spot light to protect her.
I definitely agree!
Such a shame that after 12 years they still don't know how to reach out and keep in touch with her.
They used send message after message after message but adoptive parents were not okay with how involved they wanted to be. the adoption is suppose to be open but it’s more like a semi closed one, in terms of how Brandon and Teresa are moving.
I get it they wanna be private but that doesn’t mean you shut out the people who have you the child and also the terms to which you agreed upon with them.
I think fear of rejection plays a role in it and not trying to cross boundaries
@@aria123345 Brandon and Theresa fear when Carly is 18 she'll return to her birth parents. They're insecure
@@sgejupiter9740 and she def will go be apart of her birth family I mean her parents are still together and she has 2 blood sisters. I can’t wait for them all.
@@Talpop222 i think it’ll be so cool to see how her relationship with her sisters will be
I’m not sure why people are giving Brandon and Theresa a hard time. They clearly told Cate and Tyler that they didn’t want the cameras around when Carly was present or when she was being discussed but they didn’t listen. People complain about how the mums are “ exploiting” their kids for the show.
Maybe it’s best that Carly doesn’t have more of her life played out on camera
And besides they have two kids and another on the way. Imagine how Nova must feel constantly having to hear about how they want her sister
Well if Brandon and Theresa were that concerned they shouldn’t have come on TV and had an open adoption with two people on TV. Everyone knows what they look like so they’ll easily know who Carly is, not to mention the fact she looks like Tyler. And they’ve had plenty of scenes with Carly off camera. They didn’t hold up their end of the open adoption and allowing them to see Carly when they’d like, so they can’t put a stop to it being talked about on a reality show.
@@Tasiaevansss I’m pretty sure at the time no one thought the show would last this long. I’m pretty sure if they weren’t on TV Brandon and Theresa would be more open.
But at the end of the day Carly is Brandon and Theresa’s child too and they don’t want her privacy and their lives sold for some reality TV show.
That’s a choice Cate and Tyler have chosen to make
When Carly is 18 she can reach out if she wants and they would have a better relationship.
@@Tasiaevansss I know what they (Brandon, Theresa, Carly) look like but only in the context of a few moments on the show. If they were walking down the street, I’d have a hard time recognizing any of them. Can’t say the same for the other Teen Mom kids and parents. Anonymity is precious when you have that kind of close connection to someone “famous”
@@Tasiaevansss Them agreeing to be on TV once, just so everyone can acknowledge who's who, means nothing now. It's been years. Brandon & Teresa have every right to privacy for themselves & their kids. Cate & Ty didn't lease Carly out to them as they make it seem. They can't even stick to simple terms they agreed to, for the sake of the child. Poor family was even stalked & they still don't care. Cate & Ty are delusional & I would never want them near me or my kid if I was in that situation
@@Tasiaevansss Brandon & Teresa agreed to an MTV one episode special. They had NO CLUE the whole teen mom franchise was starting. They thought it would be on once and they’d be done. Initially they wanted a closed adoption, them giving in an way the other direction is a blessing to Catelynn and Tyler!
Anyone judging these two have never walked a mile in their shoes. Tyler wasn’t blowing what Dawn said out of proportion, he was venting on how he was feeling about the situation & Dawn was & is a wonderful mediator. She understands how hard it is for both of them & the emotional toll it’s taken on them, Carly’s adoptive parents, & their families. It’s hard for Cate & Ty because mentally when they think of Carly, part of them will always remember that excruciating pain of handing her over, but they’re also stuck with the knowledge that they’re now secure enough to take care of her - but they can’t. Reaching out is just as hard for them as it is for Carly’s adoptive parents because they feel at their most vulnerable, & frightened of rejection on seeing & knowing how their first born is doing.
It really is so hard all round. I won’t ever pass judgement on them & how they handle things, they aren’t perfect, none of us are, & it’s just as much of a learning curve for them as it is anyone.
I love Dawn. I honestly don’t think either of them would’ve gotten through it without her, she’s an angel. x
I think the being on tv thing is still something Brandon and Theresa are struggling with
I’m not trying to be rude, but this subject is getting old. I completely understand they were young and they wanted her to have a better life so they had Carly adopted. But I also understand why the adoptive parents are not wanting the daughter in the spotlight. Tyler and Catelynn lowkey keeps bashing them and stuff on camera, so that’s another reason why I understand why the adoptive parents don’t want them to see her.
Exactly I agree ❤️
Should of been a closed adoption
Agree the parents were okay with the open adoption, but once ty and cate keep talking about wanting to see her more and wanting get to know her more, they said absolutely not🥺🥺🥺 it suck bc this isn’t what anyone thought it was going to be
@@aria123345 this is why I never really liked Brandon and Teresa
If you ever adopted or placed for adoption, you would understand the the subject NEVER gets old or forgotten...It is an open wound, if you will, for the rest of their lives.
I think much of Cait's unresolved trauma stems from Tyler pushing the adoption on her. I've had that vibe from their very first episode, she was not on the same page as him and it truly kills her she went along with it. Very sad situation, my heart goes out to them all 🙏🏻
I think thats part of the reason why Tyler sticks around too. Its a shame really, i think they were too young to make such a monumental decision. I wonder if Butch and April feel any guilt about Carlys adoption, since a big reason they placed her was because of the unstable homes they were in at the time.
Interesting perspective I never thought of that. It would explain a lot.
It’s interesting because I think the majority of her trauma comes from having a bad childhood/home life. Her mother was an abusive alcoholic, her father was absent from her life and her ex step father was a drug addict. I think Cate fixates on Carly to avoid dealing with those traumas.
I still wonder How was it legally possible for the then teenagers to make a decision about their daughter all by themselves? Ignoring the opinion of their parents who wanted Carly to remain in their family as a granddaughter... Allowing Dawn to manipulate and use them in her business.
Interesting I remember that episode. Tyler definitely pushed Catelynn to put Carly up for adoption and now it kinda hurts at the end
The thing is. They still feel like they are her parents. They aren’t. They gave her up for adoption and they need to get over it. If the bio parents acted like they did, I wouldn’t want them around MY child. They are too wish washy about and act like they lent carlee to Brandon and Teresa
I agree 100%
Get over it? That's a bit harsh and unrealistic. You can also look at it like this: Cate and Tyler were still children when they chose to give up their child for adoption. Maybe at the time they didn't even realize the implications it would have in the future...they were not mature. In a way this system takes advantage of the child parents to protect the innocent infant. You cannot even sign a contract legally before the age of 18 for the same reasons, yet they are signing away their own child at 16/17. Not saying that adoption is wrong in those circumstances I'm just saying you can't tell the 16 and 17 year olds to simply "get over it" lmao. It's more complicated than that.
@@vivalabad6 👏👏
@@vivalabad6 it is. They knew what they were doing and chose to do it. Had they not aired their dirty laundry about it and respected carlees parents about their privacy, they probably would have a better relationship.
@@vivalabad6 Nah, it’s not their daughter once they decided to give her up for adoption. Until she becomes adult than it’s up to her to decide if she wants a relationship with Tyler and Cait.
I'm sorry but I haven't liked "Dawn the Adoption Counselor" since the very beginning.
Neither have I.
I hate her
She so easily played both sides. It was unnerving.
@@colbyelisabeth If it’s mediation bring them together.
@@colleen1219 she's literally trying to do that she's calling them out for not reaching out
“Because of COVID we haven’t seen her in 2 years” COVID hasn’t been around for 2 full years tho 🤔🤔
Probably 2019 wasn't their time to visit and then covid came and cancelled the visit for 2020-2021🤷
I think they weren’t able to see her for a year before and now because of COVID it’s been another year.
They just said that because the people who have her are making it hard for them to see her and they don't wanna cause drama
I think prior to covid happening they already hadn't seen Carly for a year and then with covid added an additional year.
I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING AHAHAH I WAS LIKE????
i understand why tylers so heated. imagine wanting something so so badly and being rejected multiple times. it hurts so much that you dont want to anymore
Shout to the counselor though . The advice she gave them makes a lot of sense.
I think a lot of it is Cate and Tyler’s fault because they were having communication and pictures and visits with Carly until they kept posting the pictures and things about Carly on social media and tv after they were asked not to. Then when they were cut off from Carly for a while they went on tv and talked badly about her parents. Carly is 12 now, how do they think she would feel if she watched those episodes and saw them bad mouthing the parents that she loves and that they chose to raise her.
Exactly! And didn’t they have a date to meet one year but Cate and Tyler said the date didn’t work for them?!! What else do they do?! Then the last time thy did see her, Cate wasted visiting time on finishing that photo album that she had years to complete!
Unfortunately, they screwed it up with going against B and T’s wishes then they bashed them on the show.
They really did a very hard thing in putting her up for adoption but it still was the best decision, one cuz of their living environment at the time and two, look at
All the mental issues Cate has and how she left her family... that affected Nova big time! Imagine how it would have affected two children.
I see both sides but, unfortunately, Cate and Tyler are expecting more than most get... 🤷🏻♀️
I feel like the reason why the adopted parents don’t respond is because they are super suffocating like they are not baby sitters and They never put a thought that Carly probably knows who they are but she isn’t going to feel attached like they say she would be
Exactly. They need to understand that for Carly they aren’t her parents, she isn’t attached the same way. That could change but they need to step back a little and respect her parents.
Dawn just encouraged them to suffucate and ask. Dawn talks to the adoptive parents too. Why dont she just disclose some cold hard truths and where brandon and theresa head is really at
@@mewtwomotherfuka Yes I agree, she should be telling them what’s going on and what Teresa and Brandon are thinking or saying.
Cate and Tyler just said they haven’t even asked Brandon and Teresa for a FaceTime with Carley
@@lc-bb6bd They haven't asked bc they've been told twice in the past because of their disrespect towards Teresa and Brandon. Not to mention they probably have asked but don't tell Dawn. They have suffocated Brandon & Teresa for 12 years. There's good reason why Carly's parents either say no to Caitlyn and Tyler or not respond.
It’s crazy to think Carly could be watching this all on tv but not be able to say anything to them.
Honestly if someone was gracious enough to bless me with a baby after struggling to conceive one on my own even if they didn’t reach out I would definitely send them updates. Like Cate and Ty made you parents and I feel like sending a text with a photo every now and then isn’t too much to ask. Especially with Theresa always promising she would keep in touch in the early days.
I get why Cate and Ty give them space because how uncomfortable to ask Carly’s parents for updates when they don’t feel like carlys parents want them to
I agree!!!
Poor Carly, didn't ask for any of this! I know they were young when they made the decision to give her up but they need to trust that Brandon & Theresa are doing their best for her. They have 2 other babies that need their undivided attention at the moment 😒🤦
Its not about not trusting them as parents. The adoption was always one where they wanted contact which is actually completely understandable and reasonable. The adoptive parents are doing carly a disservice by nit allowing her biological parents in her life. If the show is the problem, that's fine they can keep it separate.
@@melissagoode151 Cate & Ty have on MULTIPLE OCCASIONS gone against the very terms they agreed to, when they sat with the mediators & Carly's parents.
They've blatantly disrespected Brandon & Teresa. They've also disrespected the mediators. The couple was even stalked because Cate & Ty post Carly on social media & broadcast every single detail about Carly on TM.
I wouldn't be surprised if Carly is or has been to therapy because of that & potential bullying at school because even adopted kids are heavily picked on.
Brandon & Teresa only want privacy. Adoption on it's own can be really tough. Now adding the birth parents who are okay with Carly & her family being under scrutiny of social media & TV. I honestly feel bad for them. They also have other kids they adopted, so Carly does have siblings. They too, are being protected from having details about them known by everyone.
There's nothing wrong with any of what Brandon & Teresa are doing. The kids know they're all adopted. That doesn't mean everyone should know or be in their business. The kids may only want to deal with it when they're of age & when they're ready.
It very well might be that Carly doesn't want to have a relationship with Cate & Ty for now. On top of all that's happened. It happens all the time for kids to feel that way & it's normal.
@@mbalim9527 none of that has anything to do with what I was replying to
@@melissagoode151 It does since you say it's Brandon and Teresa doing Carly a disservice by not allowing her to be in Caitlyn and Tyler's life. Mbali m responded very well to your opinion.
@@bringthemhome2024 and I stand by what I said.
Tyler was sure and Cate was unsure. Wow that’s sad... I think she really gave her up to stay with Tyler.
I think that too....unfortunately
I don’t think that if she kept Carly Tyler would have left. Tyler would have stayed regardless.
@@Olacoker most probably but I remember many times they both said, “we would’ve broken up if we kept Carly”
LOL, Tyler was trying to blow everything that woman said out of proportion😩
I love how she stood her ground and eventually told them that they had to invest in that relationship
Nah he was just upset. Its a complicated thing to go through
He’s always talked like that, just kind of loud but not rude or aggressive
I certainly think that Cate and Tyler continuously reaching out is not good for their healing process with giving Carly up. When they reach out, and don't get a response, it upsets them. This is why at times an open adoption is not the best route, because it still keeps that window of opportunity open. I def think that this adoption counsellor is playing both sides - and if she was really looking out for everyone's best interest, I do not think she would continue to push Cate or Tyler to reach out, only to be left disappointed.
At least if they do reach out, Carly can never be mad that they never tried. When she grows up, and IF she wonders why she never had a relationship with Cate and Tyler, she’ll know it was her adoptive parents who prevented it.
They can’t expect to see her if they don’t reach out though
I get the impression that they havnt been reaching out though 🤔 and only discuss reaching out whilst on camera.
When Carly turns 18 years old she going to ask lots of questions she may come cross the show and ask about cate and Tyler she may want to see them with out cameras on and have a one on one talk about everything
@@cmck5653 , exactly. Cate and Tyler went from harassing Carlys MOM AND DAD to "if we can't have our way, **** off." There is a happy medium but that would involve Cate and Tyler knowing their place. I wish they would focus Nova, Vaeda and the new baby and let Cary live her life.
I think everyone failed these two tremendously. They could’ve kept her. The hospital,their parents,social services,TLC failed them. They took advantage of their age. Catelynn for sure suffers PTSD,Depression from the trauma. And they both keep having babies to try to fill that void.
I agree with this. And Brandon and Teresa wanted that baby so bad that they agreed to open adoption. They should have had a closed adoption. I don’t think catelynn and Tyler understood entirely how the process was going to be like. They were so young. Also people like to judge catelynn, but giving up that baby really affected her. I don’t think she’s lazy. I think she doesn’t know how to cope and is very unhappy and is just counting down till that little girl is 18 and they can reach out
@@redlipstickpsycho1 I agree it’s sad Catelynn has suffered this whole time and wasted basically her whole life since she gave up Carly due to PTSD with her whole situation. Then having more kids that she ignores it never will fill the void she has that needs to be healed.
Agreed.
Ummm she was a teenager and pregnant....it’s okay for her as a married woman to have children
Ya they could’ve kept her, but if they had it’s highly likely that Cate and Ty would’ve split up and never would’ve gotten married and had their other children. Look at the rest of the cast of Teen Mom and Teen Mom 2. None of them stayed with their baby daddies, cause that is a major responsibility while still so young.
It always blows my mind that Dawn STILL has contact with Cate & Ty. She is STILL involved after 12 years. She is an amazing adoption counselor & person. Adoption is the most selfless act a parent can do. I wish more people would consider adoption.
She has to be involved….this adoption has taken a bad turn and sheds lights on adoption pitfalls
Honestly after watching how all of this played out, it seems to have turned some people off from adoption. I was reading about this just recently how many people used this case as their reason for changing their minds about local adoption. In the past adoptions were closed. Now it's beyond being open but more like adoptive parents are expected to have a relationship with bio parents. And to hear these poor kids regretting their decision so openly and to hear the sister saying she wishes she had her sister living in their house, a lot of people no longer are open to the idea of adoption within the US. That's why so many go overseas. They want to feel like the child is their own. Not that they are sharing the child with the "real" family. Brandon and Theresa to this day get lots of hate saying they were wrong for keeping the baby and they should have given Carly back.
I feel sorry for everyone on all sides of this. I really wish Tyler and Caitlyn could have temporarily given up Carly to a foster home and then gotten her back. It wasn't long after the adoption that they started making good money from MTV and were able to get out ouf their houses and into their own place. Basically they made a permanent decision for a temporary problem and I'm sure that eats at them every day.
@@zsuzsuspetalsexactly I agree
i wonder if they’ve ever considered leaving the show for carly. if her parents don’t want her on camera, living in private might make her parents more comfortable reaching out and involving catelynn and tyler in her life.
You know they have never considered that lol. They need to fund their lifestyle. Cait is out here buying horses and going to these lavish mental health vacations, etc. They can't afford to leave the show.
That's too much of risk of losing Carly completely... There was never a way to know that Carly may choose not to have a relationship with Cate and Tyler.. They had to move on with their lives and plans. There was no certainty in early days that Cate and Tyler would manage to stay together and build a life.. Nothing is promised but at least they could ensure Carly had a great home no matter what happened to their lives.
Teen Mom is their income
The adoptive parents probably don’t want Carly on the show 🤷♀️
That could be true but when she’s 18 years old and comes across the show she going to ask lots of questions and she may want to see Kaitlyn and Tyler and sit down and talk to them one on one without the cameras being involved
I haven't watched this show in a long time but the last I did, I remember Tyler ignoring the adoptive parents wishes about not posting Carly on their socials. The adoptive parents seem to trying protect Carly whereas Catelynn and Ty are still approaching this situation very selfishly and immature.
I'm sure they would agree to her not being filmed or on the show, if they were granted facetime, pictures and updates. I'm sorry but Brandon and theresa have acted like this was a closed adoption from the beginning and it's not it's open.If they wanted to adopt a child and raise it as their own with no contact or communication from the biological parents they should have opted for a closed adoption. Throughout the years, they both have complained that the adoptive parents hardly ever let them see Carly, send pics or update them, which is wrong.
I don't like them, never did
Tyler's reaction is most likely why they are holding back.....aggressive and reactive.
I always thought that they made the wrong decision on giving up that baby😐🤦🏾♀️💯
Unpopular opinion: they are too smothering and obsessed with Carly and they need to move on and focus on Nova.
Nova, Vaeda & the new baby on the way
They need therapy ... it was a traumatic event giving up their baby. The still relive the trauma:( this trauma is stopping them from being the best parents to Nova. No judgement on my part since I could only imagine how hard it would be to give a child . It’s a pain you will carry with you always but since they have more kids now they need to take accountability and do the work (therapy) so they can show up for the kids they do have custody. Maybe when Carly is older she will reach out to them herself, they have a big platform so I’m sure she will have access to them .
It’s still their biological child which I’m sure it’s hard to “move on” from
Move on ? That’s their daughter, not a toy
They gave up their daughter , they must be traumatized.
Honestly I feel bad for Nova her parents are always talking and thinking about Carly it's like shes put on the back burner for a girl that doesn't even have a relationship with them
We’ve seen the footage of them reaching out why is their worker only saying this now.
I feel that for caitlynn and tyler it constantly feels like theyre reliving the pain and regret of giving up carly over and over again but also trying to respect brandon, teresa and carlys lives by letting them get on with it.
They really don't respect Brandon & Teresa. The only reason why they're keeping less contact, is because Cate & Ty broadcast every single detail about Carly on TV, post her on social media & act as if they have shared custody. They don't.
They literally allowed visits as long as they were kept private. But Cate & Ty don't want to adhere to those simple things. Everyone, including the mediator agreed it was in the best interest of the child until she's of age. But no, Cate & Ty want to play victim even though they're the instigators🤦♀️
I can't imagine how hard it is for them, especially with how alike their children look to Carly. It probably feels like a piece of there family will always be missing
I hope once Carly turns 18 she can make the decisions on wether or not she wants a a relationship with her birth parents . Everything has its timing , what they did was out of pure love and selflessness, nothing else . ❤️
Brandon and Teresa just want to raise Carly in PEACE. I am glad they are keeping her off camera. Carly can decide if she wants to have a relationship with Catelynn and Tyler when she becomes an adult. Catelynn really doesn't need to be trying for more kids right now.
i do want carly to have a relationship with her siblings though. thats kind of sad
How do you know? Are you paying their bills?
@@girlonamission1685 Everyone watching this show is paying their bills. Girl, bye.
Ain’t no money coming out your pocket to pay them unless you are buying products from the commercials that air during their show. And that still doesn’t give you the right to tell someone else what they can/can’t or need / don’t need to do. So STFU. They earn their $$$
@@girlonamission1685 Without viewers they wouldn't have money. What are you even saying. YOU need to STFU
It always felt like they thought her adoptibe parents were basically baby sitters. They are her parents now.
I don’t agree. You don’t go into adoption without being fully informed. They went into an open adoption, and I think they thought seeing would be more open and easy.
@@jacs2cents98 true. I also think though this isn't any old open adoption. What they thought was probably a one of event following the adoption process has turned into 10/12 year of a global TV show.
As a mother myself I can only imagine how hard this is for all concerned ... but Brandon and Teresa are her parents, yes it was an open adoption but they must watch how chaotic Tyler and especially Caits life are and still face many serious issues they have yet to overcome. None of them had any idea what a huge phenomenon MTV teen mom would become and as a parent I would be worried myself on how this affected my daughter. They all love Carly but you chose adoption and it should be enough that you know Carly has a wonderful life with parents that love her .. that’s all you wanted in the beginning of the journey.
True but come on now they was 16. i’m pretty sure we all have a little regret wouldnt hurt the parents if they can at least say hi on her bday like dam .. especially her mom the one who pushed her out
The adoptive parents are a tad bit selfish in my opinion 🤷🏾♀️ it’s an open adoption for a reason
I agree. I don't think they should have been able to "change the adoption terms" when they for sure wanted an open adoption I think the adoptive parents are being very selfish.
No really, they could’ve adopted a different child that parents chose closed adoption, and could’ve let them pick parents that agree on open adoption, they would’ve never chose them as parents if they was going to all of a sudden change their mind
As a parent on the adoptive side of things, I can see why Brandon and Teresa probably have made the choices they have. Tyler was posting pics of Carly on social media when they specifically said they didn’t want them to do that. Cate did have issues where she wasn’t even home with nova. The one job Brandon and Teresa have is to love and care for Carly and do what is in her best interest. I feel that maybe cate and ty are angry because it wasn’t their shortcomings that made the adoption decision, it was their toxic families and environment that did. I feel that Brandon and Teresa get the brunt of the anger, but all they’ve done is love and provide for Carly. Cate and ty need to find a way to make peace with the choice they made and why they made it. I’m sure they feel cheated, but it happens to a lot of us in different ways. They have kids of their own that need their love and attention and they should feel blessed that they’ve had another chance to be the best parents. They need to fully focus on that and let the anger go. On another note, I’m sure Brandon and Teresa feel cheated too because the relationship with cate and ty has been hard with their public personas. I’m sure it would be easier in many ways without tv cameras in their lives for the past 10 plus years. Just my thoughts
Another intelligent and thoughtful response. I agree completely.
Wow. This!
I’m going to come out and say it because I’ve been watching since the first episode of 16 and pregnant. I think that Cate and Tyler shouldn’t have went on the show. Now I know they have been and made a lot of money from it but they could’ve kept Carly and found jobs to support themselves and their daughter. They also could’ve had her mom or his mom watch Carly even though I know the parents had a bad lifestyle. Cate allowed her mom to watch Nova all the time and the mom never changed. I feel like this show really made their anxiety and depression spiral out of control too. They are brave parents for giving up their daughter but I feel like if they still had her things for the better would have changed around.
their daughter will look on social media and will look for them. i cant wait for that teen mom " moment"
Sometimes I think that if they weren't on television B and T would let them see Carly more.
Me Personally I never like Brandon and Theresa from the beginning I always felt like their mission was to keep Carly Away as soon as Cate and Ty signed over their rights I’m glad they did what they thought was best at the time but then again I wish they would have kept her or chosen better adoptive parents. It’s not fair how they keep Cate and Ty away because regardless they will always be Carly’s BIOLOGICAL parents !!
I feel so bad for them. I understand that they chose to give Carly up for adoption but they were ONLY 16. I just turned 17 and can barely decide on what I want to wear to graduation I can’t imagine the struggle of trying to find they best home and family for your child.
Other couples are that young, keep and raise their babies in even worse situations and with no excuses. It was their choice, and it is what it is. Carly will choose when she’s 18. If she doesn’t want to be around them, that’s their fault for giving her up.
@@andreavictoria1091 No. Absolutely not. They did what was best for them given their circumstances. It is absolutely ridiculous that you blame them for giving her up when Butch and April were abusive, that is NOT an "excuse". You expected them to keep a baby knowing it could have grown up to watch their grandparents overdose on heroin and throw their mom around? That is obscene you think that Catelynn and Tyler were at fault in the scenario. Younger couples in worse situations keep their children, sure, but a MAJORITY of times the child grows up in a broken home with trauma and continues the cycle of abuse. You really think that is worth the gamble? You think them keeping a child in an abusive house is better than giving them up to a family that loves them? That speaks MUCH more on you than it does on Catelynn and Tyler.
@@andreavictoria1091 It sounds like you’re judging and villainizing them just because they did what was best for their daughter. Both Cate and Ty come from homes of abuse and addiction, so they made a very complex and difficult decision to give their baby a BETTER life and chance. I’m 10000% sure that had they known the success and security “Teen Mom” would soon bring
they would have kept Carly but such is life. They still have the right to love her and miss her and want to see her.
@@soleonmariluna8606 RIGHT. At 16 Ty and Cate were smart enough to do what most 30 years old can’t do: BREAK THOSE TOXIC CYCLES
@@soleonmariluna8606 when did they say it was anyone’s fault? If Carly doesn’t want a relationship with them, then it is their fault. They gave her up, that’s that. It was a decision that was made and they made it and now have to deal with the hand of that choice. Sure it’s hard, but pregnant teens make decisions like this because they got pregnant young.
Look I get they miss that relationship with their daughter and I know that is hard but if they don't want you in her life there is nothing you can do about it at all. We make choices and sometimes they are hard but when you do you have to live with what is given in the end and if it is no communication then that is what you have to deal with.
When she is 18 she’ll have a whole family waiting for her if she wants it and there is nothing that her adoptive parents can do about it.
Yup and maybe even make some money for. During every interviews
Don't discredit her adoptive parents.
And a hole tv show. She can get rich probley even right. Book
Alternatively she could decide once and for all she doesn't want to participate in the conversation and its not anyone's decision but her own. I wonder if T&C are prepared for that possibility
Tyler needs to tone it down.The relationship is complicated because they made it that way.
Specially him. He was the one constantly not respecting what Carlys parents wanted.
@@teesceeo Totally.Tyler thinking he had the right to put pics up of Carly on social media.And he wonders why teresa and Brandon have pulled back on their commutation.
Definitely
Is it me or Tyler and cait look alike? They say your soulmate is like your twin 😂😂😂😂
What’s really sad is that bio parents are made to feel like an “open adoption” gives them more rights but in the end, the adoptive parents will always get to make the end decision.
Open adoption means zilch. Adoptive parents call the shots end of story. Adoption agencies aren’t clear enough on this.
And thank goodness it's that way. Brandon & Teresa have been stalked because Cate & Ty constantly post Carly on social media & broadcast every single detail about her on TM.
Any normal parent wouldn't want their child subjected to such. Also, Cate can barely take care of herself at times. They also surround themselves with toxic people. On top of that, they're so rude to almost everyone. Even to the mediators. They also come late to certain scheduled visits, even though they had enough time to come through.
Also, many kids get picked on when everyone knows they're adopted. Carly may only want to deal with Cate & Ty when she's of age & ready. Brandon & Teresa are doing a good job by allowing her to have a normal childhood, not under the scrutiny of TV.
Birth parents have a sick tendency of not honoring agreements. Many barely reach out, unless something is in it for them. Especially when the kid is older. They expect the kid to do things for them. We've all seen it. Or they just reach out because their conscience gets to them.
In this case, clearly, Carly is better off living privately with her parents. Cate & Ty don't have shared custody & must stop being so demanding, whilst barely making any efforts.
They literally act like Janelle, when Barb had to take Jace for his own sake
All open adoption means is that bio families can know the name of the adoptive family and information about the adoption before the child reaches the age of majority. That’s it. Nothing more. It doesn’t mean “blended family dinners every Sunday” and “phone calls every Wednesday”.
I wonder if the financial strain was a huge part of their decision to adopt her out, and because in the end they ended up with a show for years that made them not really have the financial strain they thought they were going to have ????!!!
I think so and especially because they see all the original mamas have so much money and still have their first babies with them:(
That’s one of those interesting scenarios because if they hadn’t placed Carly in adoption then MTV wouldn’t have picked them for Teen Mom so if they kept Carly they most likely wouldn’t be as rich as they are now
It wasn’t just about money. Are you all forgetting that toxic and abusive Butch and April were one of the big reasons they placed Carly? Carly did not need to spend one second in that household regardless of how settled financially Cate and Ty are now.
@@savannahweinstein111 Every one seems to forget that or isn't aware of that.
This is where the regret of the adoption comes in. Respect their decision but the Lord will always provide and make a way. Personally, I'll would of kept my child and work 2 jobs if I needed to
It breaks my heart for them 💔 you can tell how much it has effected them
I still question dawn’s authenticity everything she says is in a frame of “they should reach out,” but not putting any responsibility on her adoptive parents making an effort to open themselves to the relationship with parents and child
18 years old is around the corner, and it’ll be Carly’s decision to form her own bond with her biological parents.
Yes your right and 6 years flying by so fast
I used to love them as a unit but the older they get the more I realize that catelynn is extremely toxic and I’m pretty sure Tyler only stays with her out of habit and comfort. I’m pretty sure she also got pregnant just to keep Tyler around because, they were about to break up before she got pregnant with either Nova or Veada. I also feel sorry for T and B (Carly’s parents): they don’t owe C and T anythhinnngg.. but C and T act like they are second parents when that shouldn’t be the case.
They are literally her parents. T & B are literally caring for someone else's child because they were infertile asf.
@@sc-bj2fs wtf?? this the weirdest most disgusting comment please get a life.
Honestly I feel like they regret it, I do believe that they thought that they couldn’t properly provide for Carly at the time, but if they had known that they would continue to work for MTV for the next 12 years, and be able to provide for Carly and their other children, they would have kept her.
It's so sad. Their situation was so bad in the beginning with their parents. But one day they will have that deep relationship with their daughter
I also believe them putting her up for adoption kept them together, they the only ones who stayed together throughout the show from the start
It’s also a catch-22 cause if they’d kept her, MTV may not have decided to keep their story going. They may not have stayed together and had their other kids. Anything is possible. But I do agree that they are feeling a lot of regret. They should probably be in counseling working through that, not just meeting with Dawn once in a while.
I think they regret giving her up and somehow wish they could get her back , I don’t think they will ever heal from this
I wish them well. I’m sorry they’re experiencing any kind of pain. They gave their daughter a better life. Sometimes it comes across they’re so concerned with Carly. However don’t seem to give the same amount of attention to their two daughters they are parenting. Also Carly is 12 years old. She may not want to be as involved as Cate and Ty want her to be.
I cannot fathom seeing two kids grow into adults, wanting to maintain a relationship with their child, and as an adoptive parent, telling them to kick rocks. I know there are people out there that have issues, or would dip in and out whenever it was convenient, but I don't feel like Catelynn and Tyler are like that. Why you would force distance between people who want to love and support their own child is just...beyond me. It's just downright cruel, especially to Carly. Imagine growing up, thinking your parents didn't want you, and then getting older and realizing your adoptive parents kept them from you. Awful.
we are only seeing catelynn and tyler’s side, though. who is to say that carly even wants a relationship with them? why are we assuming that brandon and theresa told carly that they didn’t want her?
Am i supposed to feel bad for them? Because i don’t. You cant complain and say you want a bond then not communicate?? That’s probably some of why they dont want visits?? Because you only reach out to benefit you when you wanna see her! Not just to check in. See how she is. Even if they tell you to back off, you tried. And yeah tyler, duh you have to go through her parents. She’s their kid! You dont just get free access!! If youre not willing to b uncomfortable, then dont complain you have no bond!
Cate kept reaching out. Right after her visit. Wanting to take the kids to the beach. However not taking into account that these visits need to be planned. Carly I’m sure needs to feel prepared. Unfortunately it just can’t be a spur of the moment thing.
@@colleen1219 thats my point. It might help if they reached out just to say hi. Not for a visit. They want this total access to a kid thats not theirs. And then tyler gets mad when they dont get it. It’s not on your terms
I truly believe the show blowing up ultimately derailed a lot of the relationship. Going in everyone thought it was going to be a one episode deal, and then everyone would move on with their lives and continue the open adoption. No one knew Teen Mom would be still going strong over a decade later. B&T grew increasingly uncomfortable with the world watching, and I truly don't think Dawn the adoption counselor was equipped or helped the relationship between all parties involved. So I understand both sides of frustration.
They agreed to an open adoption and they started all of this on a reality show , so for the adoptive parents saying they didn't want to be on TV is like 🤷🏻♀️ . I also feel like there needs to be more support and assistance with teens putting their children up for adoption bc I lowkey felt like there was some manipulation during that whole process with Kate....She was led to believe that it was an open adoption and I dont think they gave her a good idea of what that looked like....
I agree
They weren’t the stars of said TV show, and as their child gets older they want privacy like any sane parent would want. Also, who would have thought this series would be on for this long? Not I
Dawn sat down with them and went threw all the paperwork a few seasons ago. It said it would be an open adoption untill the age of 5 or something close to that. After that they may receive updates and request visits but it is at the discretion of the adoptive parents. They have to reach out and ask. Dawn has literally been saying the same thing to them for years and they still don't get it.
I think since someone cld give you the best gift you could ever receive especially when your not able to have your own children you wld think you’d like them to be a part of your life as long they’re not bad ppl which cate and tyler are not...Its honestly unfair to them and carlie..They are not trying to take her from y’all just want to be able to be a part of carlies life also! They wanted this from the beginning and y’all were fine till you got everything finalized yall are just selfish seems more the mom then the dad!
Yep
Amen
I just remember the episode were Caitlyn gave birth to Carly, was SO sad. Like, I cried back than and everytime I watched it. Caitlyn saying she didn't wanna look at Carly coming out broke my heart. I don't really like Brandon and Theresa anymore. I have a bad feeling about them. Almost like they took advantage of a young naive couple, got the baby they wanted then said screw Caitlyn and Tyler.
I have adopted a child out so I totally understand how they feel 😔💚💚💚
They can absolutely have a relationship with Carly off camera. Only a tiny portion of their life is being filmed. Just because they are on TV doesn't mean they shouldn't get to have a relationship with their daughter. They made it clear they wanted an open adoption and Brandon and Theresa need to respect that and work with them. All four of them need to get into a room with a therapist and figure it out and actually do what they say they will do.
Cait and Tyler act sometimes like somebody stole their baby back then…. It’s sometimes really cringe.
I remember that she didnt seem like she wanted to give her i remember that she stayed a couple of hours with her daughter taking pictures
This lady came in and said ok lets go cause her parents are waitibg out side to meet there new daughter
That got me mad😠 that she rushed them
I feel bad cause they did want to keep her but then felt no other choise this is my opione
I feel like this isn’t fair for the parents that adopted the child. She’s their daughter now and they can’t keep asking to be I carleys life. When she is older she can decide if she wants to talk to them or not! Let her live her life please. With that said I don’t know what it’s like to give up your child for adoptions I’m just stating my opinion
I believe they agreed to an open adoption
@Lillian Paige oh then that’s totally changed my mind and opinion. I don’t think that’s fair to shut them out completely when they agreed to be open and let them in her life
I think the adoption was changed at some point to semi closed. My only issue is that Cate and Tyler have been on camera bashing the adoptive parents and going against what they have asked of Cate and Tyler.
I do think that somewhere along the line there has been some sort of misunderstanding with all of them. Or Cate and Tyler didn’t totally understand what they were getting into.
@Lillian Paige, I actually don't think that is true... an open adoption can literally just mean that the biological and adoptive parents share their identifying/contact information so they can potentially get in touch. But the level of contact isn't a legally binding agreement and either party can choose to back away from the contact they initially agreed to as well. In this specific case, I think Brandon and Teresa did that when Teen Mom became a full-fledged, long-term reality show and Catelynn and Tyler didn't respect the boundaries they wanted to keep Carly from dealing with that sort of publicity. This is a fair choice IMO, as we've seen some of the kids on the show now it's been mentioned that their friends have seen things on the show. Also now as we see Bentley, Leah and even Aubree setting boundaries about their relationships with their parents, it's entirely possible that Carly is setting similar boundaries. I mean, she knows her parents to be Brandon and Teresa, maybe she doesn't want to know Catelynn and Tyler.
They have an open adoption so that is what it is, asking for a relationship and keeping one over time, and getting updates and pictures, but Brandon and Teresa changed their minds about all that after Carly was getting older bc people were starting to notice them in stores and malls, and it wasn’t cool nor was it comfortable. and then cate and ty didn’t see her for years and have not gotten pictures in years as well, and see again since 2018 or 2019, they haven’t seen her🥴🥴🥴 it’s sad all around
I wish they would leave Carly and her family alone. They gave her up. They are no longer her parents. They need to understand this and move on with their lives. If I were the adoptive parents, I would honestly try to get the adoption closed and cut off all ties with them.
I agree...it’s like they want all the privileges of being her parents when they didn’t raise her! How do u think Carly feels knowing she was given away & then they kept the other daughters
Welp, that's not how open adoption works & Teresa shouldn't have agreed to visits, calls, cards & pictures if she wasn't going to to do that.
@@Ph.D.. I’m very familiar with open adoption & it doesn’t mean that you can push all that stuff on a kid whenever you want....it literally could jst mean u know the persons name & send them a Christmas card every year....I think it’s easier to say your gunna let all that happen in the beginning b4 they’ve had a chance to raise the kid....Once real life hits things can change...Let the parents she was raised with make the final decision on all that...The kid is prob fine in her life & this could cause disruptions...It can def be a positive experience but u can’t pressure it
I’m really praying for both sets of parents in this situation. Carley is so blessed to have so many people that love her and want to be apart of her life. And it makes me want to cry considering the situation that everyone is in. But she won’t be little forever. And it will ultimately be her choice to have a relationship with her biological parents and siblings. And I think Tyler and his beautiful wife have enough love on their hearts genuinely to make up for any lost time. I have so much respect for Brandon and his beautiful wife as well! Prayers for everyone involved. Life is so hard. But we gain strength through love listen to Jesus! Love is what everyone needs!
So true no matter what just keep trying reaching out whether accepted or not because she won’t be twelve for ever when she reaches her adult years her adoptive parents won’t have control on her choices or relationships with her birth parents or anyone else🤷🏻♀️
And if she decides she doesn't want to be close with T & C they'll have to respect that too
I feel like Tyler is just not a good listener. He always gets super loud and interrupts but there’s always an underlying sarcasm and hostility behind it. He’s like constantly worked up.
It may have a lot to do with Bruce and needing to be heard.
It's so sad because Catelynn and Tyler thought that they wouldn't be able to take care of Carly because they were only 16 and poor but now they are on MTV and making millions of dollars and definitely able to provide a stable home for her but can't because they gave her away.
They wouldn’t have known teen mom would last this long. They have also felt their relationship would not have made it. JMO but I think they rely on so much therapy that they have been misguided at times. My niece found out she was pregnant at 7 months. Not much time to plan. Guess who adopted her baby? Her therapists friends. It never sat w me well.
Rejection is hard enough but getting rejected whilst trying to reach out to your first born is even harder so I can only imagine how hard taking that step is
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The adoptive parents should definitely change the terms of the adoption to no contact at this point. They want to be in her life and ultimately, they will want a say and its a no no. She'll be 18 then she can decide but until they need to seriously focus on they kids they currently have.
I hope when Carly is 18 she will reach out and have a good relationship with them. I feel bad for Cate and Ty because i cannot imagine being on their shoes. On a side note, does anyone else get tired of that dang commercial after the MTV clips?? Lol
YES TYLER YOUR RESPONSIBILITY AS A PARENT IS TO ASK ABOUT YOUR CHILD IF YOU TRULY CARE OF HER WELL BEING! i don’t get why you get so defensive about it! As a teen mom i chose to keep my baby, he is now 9yo and i remind him that even if i don’t offer him luxury, he will always be rich of love from us! slowly but surely we will make it! YOU GUYS HAVE NOT ACCOMPLISHED ANYTHINGGGG ! JUST HAD MORE CHILDREN! ATLEAST SHOULD OF GOTTEN A DEGREE TO MAKE YOUR DAUGHTER’S ADOPTION WORTH IT! love teen mom 2 but i disagree with you on this one. . .
I can understand Brandon and Teresa's POV, but at the end of the day, Caitlynn and Tyler are her birth parents, and it should be up to Carly to decide if she wants to spend more time with them.
Legally speaking no in the eyes of the court she is still a minor once she hits 18 than it’s completely her decision however we don’t know what Brandon and Teresa is telling her we don’t know if she thinks Tyler and Cait don’t love her or want her she is only 12
Exactly they’re her *birth* parents not her parents. The people raising her are her parents.
Carly is a child. It is not her decision
Amen
It's not about Cate and Ty. It's all about Brandon and Teresa and their feelings as the people who raise, clothe, feed and love on Carly. Yes, Tyler is RIGHT. Him and Cate do have to ask for Brandon and Teresa's permission on everything that happens with Carly until the day she turns 18. And if they want their space from Cate and Ty until Carly is 18 and able to make her own decisions than so be it. As Carly's parents they have every right to keep Carly from Cate and Ty. Whether or not that is the best thing for Carly in the long run, hard to say. But it is Brandon and Teresa's right as parents to do what they want.
I feel like they need to give it up already they need to focus on Nova the child they do have because they were given a second with her and they tend to focus a lot on Carly even though they are her birth parents they are not her mom and dad they didn't raise her and she doesnt see them as her parents
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It might just be me but I was never really fond of Brandon and Teresa.
Neither was I.
@@Punk_Princess_Sarah something about their demeanor
😖 me too, especially Teresa. Im not keen on Dawn the adoption councillor either
Yes! Same
Me neither! I hate when Teresa says : is my child ! She always talks and leave Brandon looking stupid or ignored! She doesn’t wanted to be an open adoption , she accepted and the beginning just to get Carly that’s it ! She looks like if she was so obsess to have a baby that she would accept everything and then neglect the terms
Yes tyler it is your responsibility to reach out and them to respond, Dawn is right in everything she told them. Seems like they don’t want to take responsibility of their decisions of slacking.
I feel like Brandon and Theresa are 🗑. Cait & Tyler gave them the biggest blessing and for them to turn back and treat them like this by not allowing them to see her and reach out is disgusting
I just don’t get giving her up for adoption just to have a grip of kids right after. It’s like trying to fill the void but nah. And keeping in contact with her is just making it harder for them. They gave her up and they need to move on.
I believe once she is 18 she is going to reach out way more and make her own decisions to be closer to them. I know her adoptive parents want her out of the spotlight but they both have to work it out to where mtv is not there at all and they have their time with her
that used to be the case but catelynn and tyler kept talking about carly on the show even after they were asked not to and continuously spoke badly about carly’s parents on the show. that’s when visits and communication with her stopped. honestly catelynn and tyler had everything they wanted with the open adoption set up but refused to stop bringing them up on the show even after being asked nicely by them several times. catelynn and tyler are really the only ones responsible for putting themselves in this situation
@@spontaneously01 true but how are you going to show your journey of adoption if you can’t talk about it. They don’t show them or their daughter they talk about it because they have their feelings with the whole situation. And if I’m not wrong after she turn 2 or 3 they were already having issues with them.
I’m so for privacy but they don’t get force into being on the show. And the show shouldn’t be a factor in their open adoption if they haven’t showed their daughter more than twice on the show
@@spontaneously01 I totally understand but like I said they were having problems way before they even started to talk more about them on the show. Like you just said they have the right to talk about them however they feel like it I don’t think that should a factor on their adoption because they are cutting in to their rights of speaking however they feel like it.
Like I said she is going to be 18 one day and she is going to be able to make her decisions on how to handle her situation with them
@@michellemarquez3916 I see where you’re coming from too I think all of our points are valid and we’ll probably hear more about the other side (if she wants anything to do with the show/public opinion) when she turns 18
This is a situation as frustrating as it is you have to keep making the effort, not for the adoptive parents but for Carly. When the time comes when Carly is an adult they could say we always reached out even when it was hard or we got no response, we kept trying for you
Things changed for the adoptive parents when they realized the teen show was gonna go on til the teens are 30. At the time they were like yea we'll be part of it to show about open adoption but they didn't sign up to keep showing their family over 12 yrs
Tyler knows how to calm nova down the right way putting her on lap with blankets