I'm also from the Netherlands and I'm suprised to see these nice films, well done !!.. A few additions: The FT17 was primararly purchased to test the flooding of land in front of our defence lines. The Dutch Huzars also had about 36 Landsverk L180 and L181 armoured cars, build in Sweden. These cars defended airfields around The Hague and also performed some attacks around Nijkerk and Rotterdam-Delft. At last: Samoa is not a part of the Dutch East Indies. Thanx for this rare footage
Thank you for this! Im from the Netherlands and it is really cool to see stuff like this. The correct translation of the video title is "Zeldzame Nederlandse tanks en pantserwagens uit de tweede wereld oorlog". Keep it up! I'm looking forward to your next video👍👍
@@brittakriep2938 for me it is the same i dont speak or write German very well but i can read it and speak it good engough to go there on holiday (beautiful country and good food😁👍) groeten uit Nederland (gruBen aus die Niederländen😜)
@@brittakriep2938 More Dutch people speak German than German people speak Dutch although Kaiser Wilhelm ii who was in exile in the Netherlands spoke Dutch. I can understand German reasonably well, Germany has a lot of great bands that sing in German, listen to them a lot it all started with Rammstein
For my fellow dutchies, I think the FT shown in this video is now on display in the Nationaal Militair Museum near Soesterberg. Great place with a cool collection
It's nice seeing some of the lesser known vehicles getting their brief moment in the spotlight. I really like the Marmon Herrington tanks. I own a 1935-36Marmon -Herrington tracked vehicle. It looks just like the tanks but without a turret. We think it was used to move artillery pieces in the field. Thank you for your video.
In 1937, as the Dutch East Indies started to rethink their defence strategy, the Royal Netherlands East Indies Army (K.N.I.L.) contacted the Vickers Company in Britain and bought two Vickers-Carden-Lloyd light tanks for trials. In 1938 they ordered a further 73 tanks of the 1936 Model which was mechanically similar to the Mark IV Light Tank but with a hexagonal turret and armament of a Mark II. They weighed about 5 tonnes, had a crew of two, and were armed with a single Vickers machine gun. The "Dutchman" had a simpler hull shape and was re-shaped at the rear to give more room internally. They had a 90 Meadows ST engine with a four speed synchromesh gearbox and armour was on a 12mm basis. Only 20 tanks arrived on Java before the outbreak of the Second World War in Europe, at which point Britain confiscated the 49 remaining tanks. They were taken into service with the British Army as the "Tank Light, Vickers Carden Lloyd, Model 1936". These were also designated as Light Tank Mark III, and nicknamed "Dutchmen". A number of these tanks were delivered to Greece. 3rd CLY (part of 2nd Armoured Division) had two of these tanks and 41 Mk VIb tanks on 1/10/1940. The 2nd Gloucestershire Hussars had 25 Mk VIb tanks and 33 "Dutchmen", by the end of September 1940.
This is beautifull. This is amazing. You just gave me a lot of ideas for 3D modeling projects. Thanks and hope I can find more gems like Netherlands armored forces :D
Dutchman here. I remember some of these from a book my elder brother borrowed from the library back when we were kids. I'd forgotten about that DAF M-39. Quite an impressive piece of kit. Great to see it in motion. Keep up the good work!
A Few corrections The FT17 tank owned by the Dutch army was NOT used in combat. It was in storage and was not activated. Its use after the capitulation of mainland Netherlands is not know. It was also not recovered after liberation. It's possible the German army used the FT17 but there is no evidence that suggest this was its fate. There was no cooperation between Germany and the Netherlands building or designing the Wilton-Fijenoord armoured cars. They used a Krupp chassis and engine which were available on the open market. Some of the improvised armour build in the Netherlands used GM chassis that doesn't mean the American government was cooperating in building them. There is no evidence that shows the Wilton-Fijenoord armoured car was used other then during the battle of Berlin and it is very unlikely it did. The vehicle was not armed when it was captured and obsolete or at least obsolescent at that time as well. The idea that the German army immediately press this thing into service during the, already in progress, invasion of Belgium is pure fantasy. The carden loyds were not light tanks they were tankette's. A light tank is fully enclosed and turreted. A tankette is an open construction and lacks the turret. The M39 was not the only armoured car with a cannon armament in Dutch inventory. The Landsverk L180 and L181 armoured cars had the same 3.7CM cannon. In fact the M39 used the exact same turret as the Landsverk armoured cars. The M39 is also not really based an earlier prime mover it only shared the "TRADO" suspension system. The M39 had a fully welded monocoque and therefore was the first Dutch armoured car not to be based a civilian vehicle. The Marmon Herrington tanks where not “given” to the Netherlands. They were bought. The tank was chosen as it was the only commercially available tank that the Dutch government had any hope of actually receiving.
oh, there are a LOT MORE corrections. looks like jmantime hasn't done his research. (also light tanks don't always need to have turrets, and some tankettes do have turrets and are enclosed, but yes the Carden-Loyd is a tankette not a light tank)
Missed out the Vickers "Dutchman" light tank with the 40mm. semi-automatic S gun which saw cation in 1940. The Vickers S gun was later used on the Hurricane IId "Flying can opener" in North Africa.
fascinating didn't know the KNIL had tanks.The 37mm gun would stop a type 95 which was the most numerous tank in the invasion. Pity they didn't receive them in time.
2:20 "I told them I would I would get stuck if they made me do this! I bloody told them but nooooo!!! On a more serious note you mention 10 cm of steel armor won't stop small rounds! Lamo! I think you meant millimeters. Why do Americans get so confused by multiplying and dividing by ten? You still get 4 out of 5 and a like for showing us footage of some AFVs I never thought to look for in the past.
This video has so many inaccuracies, faults, and badly interpreted information, it is insane: The FT was never known as the 'Renault FT-17 Schwarzlose', it was not built in 1927 but arrived in the Netherlands in that year. Only one was ordered, not 'several'. It was not used as a parade vehicle, it was used for training but only for a short time. The tank was not put to use in 1940, at the time it had no gun and no engine. What you're referring to is a trial from 1939 when the tank was used for the last time to demonstrate the anti-tank capabilities of the Dutch defensive lines. It has never been proven the vehicle was used by the Germans, given the absence of the engine, it was most likely scrapped during the war. The Pantserwagen GMC is not a real armored car, its just a mock-up made with tin, wood, and canvas. I don't know where you get the 57 mm gun info from, but it was just an old naval 37 mm gun. It was indeed a training vehicle but only used in the Netherlands, not in the colonies. Furthermore, only one was made, not 8. The single-vehicle was dismantled in 1931. 3-5 Wijnman armored cars were made in 1932. Only 3 vehicles were operated by the army and only 1 saw some use during the May 1940 campaign. GMC Pantserwagen Haarlem is not a name, it was just referred to as GMC. It actually preceded the Wijnman. Of this type, 3 were made in 1931. They were all dismantled in 1934. Samoa was not one of the Dutch islands. Dutch Caribbean territory was commonly referred to as the 'West Indies'. Two C.P.I.M. vehicles were made over the course of only one night. The Dutch weren't forced to build their own AFV's, it was just a private initiative from the oil refinery directorate to protect their refinery from the Venezuelan rebels. However, they were never actively used in battle. You state the armor to be 10 cm thick. I know for a fact that this comes from my article about the vehicle on tanksencyclopedia.com. I also know that I referred to the height the mudguards were above ground, not to the armor thickness, very bad source interpretation on your part. They were also quickly scrapped and never put in storage. In 1950, one of the Venezuelan rebels was assassinated, it wasn't the year the vehicles were scrapped... again very bad source interpretation. The 3 Wilton-Fijenoord armored cars were built in 1933, not already in 1929. They were indeed ordered for use in the East Indies but performed badly. Two out of three were quickly sold to Brazil in 1935, together with two armored personnel carriers also made by Wilton-Fijenoord. The third was kept at the factory. by 1940 it was in storage at a Dutch army depot and never put into service. The Germans stored the vehicle as well and it was only used in 1945 to defend Berlin. Of the DAF M39, 12 were made plus 1 prototype so 13 in total. Not as you quote '13 were made plus 1 or 2 prototypes', that is wrong. The Dutch had 5 Carden-Loyd Mk.VI tankettes, 12 Landsverk 180, 12 Landsverk 181, and 2 Landsverk 180 command vehicles. The DAF M39 had the same turret as the Landsverks, these were also armed with a 37 mm gun, not as you quote with 'only machine guns'. The vehicles were indeed extensively used by the Germans but all were lost on the Eastern Front, none were used in Berlin. Information on the Braat is okay, not to much wrong there. Noteworthy is that they were also used during the Indonesian war of independence, and that's also when the rail versions were created of which you show several pictures. One actually survives in an Indonesian museum. The Stadswacht Overvalwagen is never referred to as Braat. As the name implies, it was not built for the army, but for the Stadswacht, a paramilitary organization of volunteers, not meant for frontline combat but for peacekeeping behind the lines. In 1939, the CTLS was not yet produced, production for China only was initiated from 1941. Not 450, but 240 were produced for China. The armament consisted of 2-4 .30 cal Browning MG38BT tank machine guns, not a .30 cal and a .50 cal. The armor was not between 12-25 mm as you state, but 12.7 mm all-round. Their maximum speed was 50 km/h, but their cruising speed was only 35 km/h. A total of 474 tanks was produced, not 450. Some remained in service during the Indonesian Independence War. You fail to mention that 149 were operated by the Australian Army. of the MTLS only 125 were produced, not 200. Vehicles you missed or skipped(mostly foreign designs): Ehrhardt Potkachel improvised armored car (1924-1940) Carden-Loyd Mk.VI tankette Landsverk 180 & 181 Alvis Straussler AC3D M3A1 White Scout Car Marmon Herrington Mk.III armored cars I probably missed other faulty information, but to conclude, this video gives a very bad representation of Dutch (pre-)WW2 vehicles, I don't mind Jmantime making videos and I don't mind you guys watch it, but please take it with many grains of salt.
@@zenger74 you dont see me typing that but I was a bit shocked to see a whole bookwork in the comments. And even i spotted a lot of incorrect statements ;)
@@koenvandam1281 I was not angry while typing that. Just disappointed and slightly irritated. The irritation may have slipped into the list of corrections but I am far from angry.
The DAF 139 was a good Armored car for its time no wonder the Germans kept it in service right up to the end and got to love the Twin guned MGLS tanks which if you are a WOT game veteran you would have it and is fun to play.
@jmantime in the text with the pantserwagen GMC it says 37 or 57 mm but seconds later in the video you tell its armed with an 37 or 47 mm gun, can you tell me which one it is
ok first of all, the FT-17 is just called FT. no -17 part. I have never seen anything say the C.P.I.M. used lewis machine guns, not even the Tanks Encyclopedia article. Seems like you straight up made that one up. Also, 10mm is very good armor against rifle cartridges... The first DAF M/39 was delivered in 1939, not 1938. I have never seen anything say it used Madsen machine guns. The best Panzer III the Germans had during the invasion was the Ausf. F with a maximum of only 30mm of armor, the best Panzer IV was the Ausf. D with a maximum of 35mm of armor, both being easily defeated with the Bofors gun. Never seen anything say it served in Berlin, seems like you made up that part too. That's a lot of making up stuff. the armament you are describing for the Braat Overvalwagen is for the SPAAG version of the vehicle. The 37mm is on the marine variant, not AA The Marmon-Herrington CTLS-4TAC was armed with 3 x .30 cal machine guns, not 1 x .50 cal and 1 x .30 cal (Source: Stuart by Hunnicutt) The Marmon-Herrington CTLS-4TAC was created after Pearl Harbor, it was not created because of USS Panay The chinese ordered only 240 CTLS-4TAC tanks, not 450, and the order was cancelled after the chinese found that it could only be armed with .30 cal machine guns and nothing bigger Max speed was 50 km/h, cruising speed 35 km/h 474 CTLS-4TAC tanks were made, the article in the description even says this Only 20 CTLS-4TAC tanks were successfully delivered to the dutch. the article in the description also legit says this. The CTMS-1TB1 had only 3 crew The Dutch in the Carribean only 31 CTMS-1TB1 tanks, the article in the description legit says so. Even though the company that designed them also designed AA guns, I haven't seen anything that says the MTLS's 37mms were used for anti-air, not even the article you linked, and I've checked lots of sources (your speculation?) Only 125 MTLS tanks were made, not 200 (again, the article in the description says this, you're using them right?) Misc: you are missing some vehicles such as the Vickers tanks that the dutch received, I would definitely count those as "rare" and a few armoured cars too, but that's fine
Thank you for pointing out many of the issues I noticed. While I really appreciate Jmantime for finding the footage and making these videos. His research is not top notch (and can it be in all these foreign languages) and his pronunciation is at times... lacking. I seem to remember the first armoured car he mentioned was actually a German WWI armoured car interned in the Netherlands after the war. The second GMC is a version of the Wijmans (They reused the aurmoured body on at least two chassis). The admittedly modern DAF M39 armoured car did not knock out any German vehicles. At the outbreak of war they were not finished. One that was quickly equipped saw action against Fallschirmjäger in Holland. The only armoured vehicles that saw action against German vehicles (and aircraft) were the Swedish Landsverk M36 and M38 armoured cars. They Dutch Army also used a few Carden Lloyd tankettes for aerodrome protection. I am not aware of the Wilton-Fijenoord armoured cars being used in combat in the Netherlands at all. For all I know, they were all delivered to Brazil by then, but one or two were under construction at the Wilton Fijenoord yard in 1940 and that could account for the vehicle at the Rijksdag in 1945 (vehicles from a museum of captured armour were taken into use as a last ditch defence). Armour in the Dutch East Indies also included a dozen Alvis Straussler armoured cars, 20 White armoured cars, two Vickers amphibian tanks and about a score of Vickers light tanks out of an order of 70+. To compensate for this lack, the British turned over about two scores of South African armoured cars, straight from the desert campaign. Of all the Marmon Herrington tanks, only seven CTLS ever reached operational status and were used in battle. The small Dutch Army contingent fighting with the Allies since D-day operated Bren-carriers.
Interesting. The best stuff seemed to be made for the dutch east indies. The braat overvalswagen is my favorite. Very versitile and quick. Could contain a full platoon of soldiers
I like to correct you on ONE vehicle... You were saying D.A.F M/39, while in fact, DAF is a brand name and should be pronounced as ONE word... "DAF".. DAF was a local car manufacturer that build cars and was later taken over by VOLVO... DAF is still making Trucks today....The Dutch Army still is using DAF as it is today
Not shown are the Zuid-Afrikaanse Pantserautos of which 49 were received in late 1941. Also known (incorrectly) as Marmon Herrington Armoured Car Mk 3.
Great video! I love this channel. Brazil also imported from Netherlands some unarmed armored trucks (4mm steel plates) for transport police troops from São Paulo state police special forces on 1930s decade. There are some more pictures and information about the Dutch Wilton-Fijenoord Medium Armored Car used in Brazil in this link (english): www.ecsbdefesa.com.br/defesa/fts/DAVBSP.pdf Brazil also imported from another country, Belgium, some armed motorcycles with machine guns (the second picture shows the machine gun on the FN M86 motorcycle). Source (portuguese): www.ecsbdefesa.com.br/arq/art1.htm
"useless" doesn't even begin to describe how bad these Marmon-Herrington CTLS were. Rejected for American use after scathing report from Aberdeen proving grounds.
Yes. A postal vehicle that was converted into an improvised armored car in one night in 1929 had more armor on it than a Panther tank. Amazing! It also had a crew of 50 which came in handy for its duties as a clown car at the circus.
Oh? So the fact that Germany had complete air superiority (because the Dutch Air Force, like the country, was fucking tiny) had nothing to do with it? Or that the Heer (the German Army was NOT called the Wermacht, that was the name for ALL the German Armed Forces as a whole) was vast in comparison to the small Dutch Arm? What about the fact that the Netherlands is as flat as a Billiard table making it difficult to defend against a mechanised combined arms force? How about the fact that the population of the Netherlands was about 10% of that of Germany? So all of these had no effect on the fact that the Netherlands fell? It was just the tanks? Probably best if you think before you speak, lest you make yourself look like an idiot.
@@alganhar1 main reason that the dutch army was defeated within 5 days,was due to the fact that various cabinets refused to invest in a well-equipped and trained army during the interbellum period. And gambled that Germany would respect neutrality. .....
@@spring-jo8xv In fact Rotterdam was bombed because the resistance of the dutch forceds was much stiffer then expected by the germans, the battle of the Hague was won by dutch forces costing the germans about 2000 well trained paratroopers and 225 Ju-52 (half of their fleet)
For my fellow dutchies, I think the FT shown in this video is now on display in the Nationaal Militair Museum near Soesterberg. Great place with a cool collection
The "Dutch army of the East" is also known as the Royal Netherlands East Indies Army (Koninklijk Nederlands Indisch Leger; KNIL).
Gefeliciteerd met 10.000 subs!
@Schlomo Shekelbergtransgenderstein Misschien heb je gelijk Schlomo maar het KNIL was altijd nog beter bewapend dan het Leger des Heils .
I'm also from the Netherlands and I'm suprised to see these nice films, well done !!.. A few additions: The FT17 was primararly purchased to test the flooding of land in front of our defence lines. The Dutch Huzars also had about 36 Landsverk L180 and L181 armoured cars, build in Sweden. These cars defended airfields around The Hague and also performed some attacks around Nijkerk and Rotterdam-Delft. At last: Samoa is not a part of the Dutch East Indies. Thanx for this rare footage
i meant to say Suriname, but the name slipped my mind
Wait, you netherlands? Dan kun je dit lezen
17:19 the inspiration for the Tesla truck?
exactly my point...a day later..having not read the comments..
Nope
dutch ahead of time.
Thank you for this! Im from the Netherlands and it is really cool to see stuff like this. The correct translation of the video title is "Zeldzame Nederlandse tanks en pantserwagens uit de tweede wereld oorlog". Keep it up! I'm looking forward to your next video👍👍
Pyro Glyphics : As a german i can not understand spoken dutch, but it is astonishing how similar written dutch is to my language!
@@brittakriep2938 for me it is the same i dont speak or write German very well but i can read it and speak it good engough to go there on holiday (beautiful country and good food😁👍) groeten uit Nederland (gruBen aus die Niederländen😜)
Pyro Glyphics : I was only for a few hours in a dutch border region town, where i visited a large cave with other german tourists.
@@brittakriep2938 More Dutch people speak German than German people speak Dutch although Kaiser Wilhelm ii who was in exile in the Netherlands spoke Dutch. I can understand German reasonably well, Germany has a lot of great bands that sing in German, listen to them a lot it all started with Rammstein
For my fellow dutchies, I think the FT shown in this video is now on display in the Nationaal Militair Museum near Soesterberg. Great place with a cool collection
Cpim, 10 cm steel armor lol pre war tigertank on 4 wheels
It's nice seeing some of the lesser known vehicles getting their brief moment in the spotlight. I really like the Marmon Herrington tanks. I own a 1935-36Marmon -Herrington tracked vehicle. It looks just like the tanks but without a turret. We think it was used to move artillery pieces in the field. Thank you for your video.
these obscure vehicles are very interesting
In 1937, as the Dutch East Indies started to rethink their defence strategy, the Royal Netherlands East Indies Army (K.N.I.L.) contacted the Vickers Company in Britain and bought two Vickers-Carden-Lloyd light tanks for trials. In 1938 they ordered a further 73 tanks of the 1936 Model which was mechanically similar to the Mark IV Light Tank but with a hexagonal turret and armament of a Mark II. They weighed about 5 tonnes, had a crew of two, and were armed with a single Vickers machine gun. The "Dutchman" had a simpler hull shape and was re-shaped at the rear to give more room internally. They had a 90 Meadows ST engine with a four speed synchromesh gearbox and armour was on a 12mm basis. Only 20 tanks arrived on Java before the outbreak of the Second World War in Europe, at which point Britain confiscated the 49 remaining tanks. They were taken into service with the British Army as the "Tank Light, Vickers Carden Lloyd, Model 1936". These were also designated as Light Tank Mark III, and nicknamed "Dutchmen". A number of these tanks were delivered to Greece. 3rd CLY (part of 2nd Armoured Division) had two of these tanks and 41 Mk VIb tanks on 1/10/1940. The 2nd Gloucestershire Hussars had 25 Mk VIb tanks and 33 "Dutchmen", by the end of September 1940.
This is beautifull. This is amazing. You just gave me a lot of ideas for 3D modeling projects. Thanks and hope I can find more gems like Netherlands armored forces :D
Thumbs up for the pretty much spot on pronunciation of the Braat Overvalwagen! Well done!!
Dutchman here. I remember some of these from a book my elder brother borrowed from the library back when we were kids. I'd forgotten about that DAF M-39. Quite an impressive piece of kit. Great to see it in motion. Keep up the good work!
I been around the channel for two years but dude your content has imrpoved so much since those days good looks my guy
The Marmon Harrington tanks are my favorite, they look cute but capable.
I love all experimential and odd armor from the past.
A Few corrections
The FT17 tank owned by the Dutch army was NOT used in combat. It was in storage and was not activated. Its use after the capitulation of mainland Netherlands is not know. It was also not recovered after liberation. It's possible the German army used the FT17 but there is no evidence that suggest this was its fate.
There was no cooperation between Germany and the Netherlands building or designing the Wilton-Fijenoord armoured cars. They used a Krupp chassis and engine which were available on the open market. Some of the improvised armour build in the Netherlands used GM chassis that doesn't mean the American government was cooperating in building them. There is no evidence that shows the Wilton-Fijenoord armoured car was used other then during the battle of Berlin and it is very unlikely it did. The vehicle was not armed when it was captured and obsolete or at least obsolescent at that time as well. The idea that the German army immediately press this thing into service during the, already in progress, invasion of Belgium is pure fantasy.
The carden loyds were not light tanks they were tankette's. A light tank is fully enclosed and turreted. A tankette is an open construction and lacks the turret.
The M39 was not the only armoured car with a cannon armament in Dutch inventory. The Landsverk L180 and L181 armoured cars had the same 3.7CM cannon. In fact the M39 used the exact same turret as the Landsverk armoured cars.
The M39 is also not really based an earlier prime mover it only shared the "TRADO" suspension system. The M39 had a fully welded monocoque and therefore was the first Dutch armoured car not to be based a civilian vehicle.
The Marmon Herrington tanks where not “given” to the Netherlands. They were bought. The tank was chosen as it was the only commercially available tank that the Dutch government had any hope of actually receiving.
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oh, there are a LOT MORE corrections. looks like jmantime hasn't done his research.
(also light tanks don't always need to have turrets, and some tankettes do have turrets and are enclosed, but yes the Carden-Loyd is a tankette not a light tank)
Hello. You forgot one,namely the LANDSVERK M38 PANTSERWAGEN.
wow what a vic
Missed out the Vickers "Dutchman" light tank with the 40mm. semi-automatic S gun which saw cation in 1940. The Vickers S gun was later used on the Hurricane IId "Flying can opener" in North Africa.
This footage I've not yet seen. Like them :)
fascinating didn't know the KNIL had tanks.The 37mm gun would stop a type 95 which was the most numerous tank in the invasion. Pity they didn't receive them in time.
Wot fans be like:
YO ITS THE MTLS-1G14
and technically, the first double barrel tanks in the game as well
Nou weet ik waar die tankjes op de carrousel op zijn gebaseerd 😄
I like this video a lot. It gives a nice overview, and must have taken some time to make. Apprreciated!
Hm, een gepantserde wagen met alleen maar 10cm staal, volgens mij klopt dat niet. Lmao. Even veel bepantsering als een Tiger tank.
O h j a d i k g e p a n s e r d e m o n s t e r t r u c k
2:20
"I told them I would I would get stuck if they made me do this! I bloody told them but nooooo!!!
On a more serious note you mention 10 cm of steel armor won't stop small rounds! Lamo!
I think you meant millimeters.
Why do Americans get so confused by multiplying and dividing by ten?
You still get 4 out of 5 and a like for showing us footage of some AFVs I never thought to look for in the past.
noticed that too lol
Armored car (military) is translated as Pantserwagen. Gepatserde auto is Armored car (VIP) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armored_car_(VIP)
This video has so many inaccuracies, faults, and badly interpreted information, it is insane:
The FT was never known as the 'Renault FT-17 Schwarzlose', it was not built in 1927 but arrived in the Netherlands in that year. Only one was ordered, not 'several'. It was not used as a parade vehicle, it was used for training but only for a short time. The tank was not put to use in 1940, at the time it had no gun and no engine. What you're referring to is a trial from 1939 when the tank was used for the last time to demonstrate the anti-tank capabilities of the Dutch defensive lines. It has never been proven the vehicle was used by the Germans, given the absence of the engine, it was most likely scrapped during the war.
The Pantserwagen GMC is not a real armored car, its just a mock-up made with tin, wood, and canvas. I don't know where you get the 57 mm gun info from, but it was just an old naval 37 mm gun. It was indeed a training vehicle but only used in the Netherlands, not in the colonies. Furthermore, only one was made, not 8. The single-vehicle was dismantled in 1931.
3-5 Wijnman armored cars were made in 1932. Only 3 vehicles were operated by the army and only 1 saw some use during the May 1940 campaign.
GMC Pantserwagen Haarlem is not a name, it was just referred to as GMC. It actually preceded the Wijnman. Of this type, 3 were made in 1931. They were all dismantled in 1934.
Samoa was not one of the Dutch islands. Dutch Caribbean territory was commonly referred to as the 'West Indies'.
Two C.P.I.M. vehicles were made over the course of only one night. The Dutch weren't forced to build their own AFV's, it was just a private initiative from the oil refinery directorate to protect their refinery from the Venezuelan rebels. However, they were never actively used in battle. You state the armor to be 10 cm thick. I know for a fact that this comes from my article about the vehicle on tanksencyclopedia.com. I also know that I referred to the height the mudguards were above ground, not to the armor thickness, very bad source interpretation on your part. They were also quickly scrapped and never put in storage. In 1950, one of the Venezuelan rebels was assassinated, it wasn't the year the vehicles were scrapped... again very bad source interpretation.
The 3 Wilton-Fijenoord armored cars were built in 1933, not already in 1929. They were indeed ordered for use in the East Indies but performed badly. Two out of three were quickly sold to Brazil in 1935, together with two armored personnel carriers also made by Wilton-Fijenoord. The third was kept at the factory. by 1940 it was in storage at a Dutch army depot and never put into service. The Germans stored the vehicle as well and it was only used in 1945 to defend Berlin.
Of the DAF M39, 12 were made plus 1 prototype so 13 in total. Not as you quote '13 were made plus 1 or 2 prototypes', that is wrong.
The Dutch had 5 Carden-Loyd Mk.VI tankettes, 12 Landsverk 180, 12 Landsverk 181, and 2 Landsverk 180 command vehicles. The DAF M39 had the same turret as the Landsverks, these were also armed with a 37 mm gun, not as you quote with 'only machine guns'. The vehicles were indeed extensively used by the Germans but all were lost on the Eastern Front, none were used in Berlin.
Information on the Braat is okay, not to much wrong there. Noteworthy is that they were also used during the Indonesian war of independence, and that's also when the rail versions were created of which you show several pictures. One actually survives in an Indonesian museum.
The Stadswacht Overvalwagen is never referred to as Braat. As the name implies, it was not built for the army, but for the Stadswacht, a paramilitary organization of volunteers, not meant for frontline combat but for peacekeeping behind the lines.
In 1939, the CTLS was not yet produced, production for China only was initiated from 1941. Not 450, but 240 were produced for China. The armament consisted of 2-4 .30 cal Browning MG38BT tank machine guns, not a .30 cal and a .50 cal. The armor was not between 12-25 mm as you state, but 12.7 mm all-round. Their maximum speed was 50 km/h, but their cruising speed was only 35 km/h. A total of 474 tanks was produced, not 450. Some remained in service during the Indonesian Independence War. You fail to mention that 149 were operated by the Australian Army. of the MTLS only 125 were produced, not 200.
Vehicles you missed or skipped(mostly foreign designs):
Ehrhardt Potkachel improvised armored car (1924-1940)
Carden-Loyd Mk.VI tankette
Landsverk 180 & 181
Alvis Straussler AC3D
M3A1 White Scout Car
Marmon Herrington Mk.III armored cars
I probably missed other faulty information, but to conclude, this video gives a very bad representation of Dutch (pre-)WW2 vehicles, I don't mind Jmantime making videos and I don't mind you guys watch it, but please take it with many grains of salt.
Damn, the expert is talking.
@@yanncalmels3844 talking like angry and obsessed...
@@koenvandam1281 maybe, but he's not wrong...
@@zenger74 you dont see me typing that but I was a bit shocked to see a whole bookwork in the comments. And even i spotted a lot of incorrect statements ;)
@@koenvandam1281 I was not angry while typing that. Just disappointed and slightly irritated. The irritation may have slipped into the list of corrections but I am far from angry.
The DAF 139 was a good Armored car for its time no wonder the Germans kept it in service right up to the end and got to love the Twin guned MGLS tanks which if you are a WOT game veteran you would have it and is fun to play.
That thing at 5:03, actually looks like something from a cartoon...
1900s design XD
@jmantime in the text with the pantserwagen GMC it says 37 or 57 mm but seconds later in the video you tell its armed with an 37 or 47 mm gun, can you tell me which one it is
Curaçao is more like Kurasao than Kurako.
As a dutch guy i like this video.
And i subbed right away.
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ok first of all, the FT-17 is just called FT. no -17 part.
I have never seen anything say the C.P.I.M. used lewis machine guns, not even the Tanks Encyclopedia article. Seems like you straight up made that one up. Also, 10mm is very good armor against rifle cartridges...
The first DAF M/39 was delivered in 1939, not 1938. I have never seen anything say it used Madsen machine guns. The best Panzer III the Germans had during the invasion was the Ausf. F with a maximum of only 30mm of armor, the best Panzer IV was the Ausf. D with a maximum of 35mm of armor, both being easily defeated with the Bofors gun.
Never seen anything say it served in Berlin, seems like you made up that part too. That's a lot of making up stuff.
the armament you are describing for the Braat Overvalwagen is for the SPAAG version of the vehicle.
The 37mm is on the marine variant, not AA
The Marmon-Herrington CTLS-4TAC was armed with 3 x .30 cal machine guns, not 1 x .50 cal and 1 x .30 cal (Source: Stuart by Hunnicutt)
The Marmon-Herrington CTLS-4TAC was created after Pearl Harbor, it was not created because of USS Panay
The chinese ordered only 240 CTLS-4TAC tanks, not 450, and the order was cancelled after the chinese found that it could only be armed with .30 cal machine guns and nothing bigger
Max speed was 50 km/h, cruising speed 35 km/h
474 CTLS-4TAC tanks were made, the article in the description even says this
Only 20 CTLS-4TAC tanks were successfully delivered to the dutch. the article in the description also legit says this.
The CTMS-1TB1 had only 3 crew
The Dutch in the Carribean only 31 CTMS-1TB1 tanks, the article in the description legit says so.
Even though the company that designed them also designed AA guns, I haven't seen anything that says the MTLS's 37mms were used for anti-air, not even the article you linked, and I've checked lots of sources (your speculation?)
Only 125 MTLS tanks were made, not 200 (again, the article in the description says this, you're using them right?)
Misc: you are missing some vehicles such as the Vickers tanks that the dutch received, I would definitely count those as "rare" and a few armoured cars too, but that's fine
*sight*
@@bryanwegman7258 ?
Thank you for pointing out many of the issues I noticed. While I really appreciate Jmantime for finding the footage and making these videos. His research is not top notch (and can it be in all these foreign languages) and his pronunciation is at times... lacking. I seem to remember the first armoured car he mentioned was actually a German WWI armoured car interned in the Netherlands after the war. The second GMC is a version of the Wijmans (They reused the aurmoured body on at least two chassis). The admittedly modern DAF M39 armoured car did not knock out any German vehicles. At the outbreak of war they were not finished. One that was quickly equipped saw action against Fallschirmjäger in Holland. The only armoured vehicles that saw action against German vehicles (and aircraft) were the Swedish Landsverk M36 and M38 armoured cars. They Dutch Army also used a few Carden Lloyd tankettes for aerodrome protection. I am not aware of the Wilton-Fijenoord armoured cars being used in combat in the Netherlands at all. For all I know, they were all delivered to Brazil by then, but one or two were under construction at the Wilton Fijenoord yard in 1940 and that could account for the vehicle at the Rijksdag in 1945 (vehicles from a museum of captured armour were taken into use as a last ditch defence).
Armour in the Dutch East Indies also included a dozen Alvis Straussler armoured cars, 20 White armoured cars, two Vickers amphibian tanks and about a score of Vickers light tanks out of an order of 70+. To compensate for this lack, the British turned over about two scores of South African armoured cars, straight from the desert campaign. Of all the Marmon Herrington tanks, only seven CTLS ever reached operational status and were used in battle.
The small Dutch Army contingent fighting with the Allies since D-day operated Bren-carriers.
And today our army has been reduced to ashes, it's worth nothing anymore :(
You mean 10mm not 10cm, 10 cm is heavy armour.
10cm is not far away from tiger armor territory.
3/8"
Interesting. The best stuff seemed to be made for the dutch east indies. The braat overvalswagen is my favorite. Very versitile and quick. Could contain a full platoon of soldiers
Thank you for making this video! Very interesting.
18:32 its the grandfather of halos warthog
I like to correct you on ONE vehicle... You were saying D.A.F M/39, while in fact, DAF is a brand name and should be pronounced as ONE word... "DAF".. DAF was a local car manufacturer that build cars and was later taken over by VOLVO... DAF is still making Trucks today....The Dutch Army still is using DAF as it is today
Not shown are the Zuid-Afrikaanse Pantserautos of which 49 were received in late 1941. Also known (incorrectly) as Marmon Herrington Armoured Car Mk 3.
there wouldn't happen to be a video on dutch arty used in ww2 and the... sequal featuring the knil?
Great video! I love this channel. Brazil also imported from Netherlands some unarmed armored trucks (4mm steel plates) for transport police troops from São Paulo state police special forces on 1930s decade. There are some more pictures and information about the Dutch Wilton-Fijenoord Medium Armored Car used in Brazil in this link (english): www.ecsbdefesa.com.br/defesa/fts/DAVBSP.pdf Brazil also imported from another country, Belgium, some armed motorcycles with machine guns (the second picture shows the machine gun on the FN M86 motorcycle). Source (portuguese): www.ecsbdefesa.com.br/arq/art1.htm
The empire isn't dead tho... that expression hurts me as a Dutchman... At least we still have some colonies in 2021......
Hot damn I just got an education! SUBSCRIBED!
The twin dual tank is... interesting, to say the least.
Nice Video :D
Ok New tank to look for me. Also new team on Girl und panzer, Royal Dutch Academy, and
Republic East Indies Academy.
i drew this too , but the name is Lions of Rotterdam Academy in my art.
"useless" doesn't even begin to describe how bad these Marmon-Herrington CTLS were. Rejected for American use after scathing report from Aberdeen proving grounds.
9:25 You propably mean
10 mm .
No
So you're saying that it has 100mm armor?
Yes
Yes. A postal vehicle that was converted into an improvised armored car in one night in 1929 had more armor on it than a Panther tank. Amazing! It also had a crew of 50 which came in handy for its duties as a clown car at the circus.
@@Freesmanen its doesnt look like 100mm armor beside that its that armored vehicle will move with less then 100hp?
I love this thx
Nice viedeo
Rifles can pen the tiger? damn didnt know
8:15 kurasauw 😨
AWESOME :-)
when we where invadend we had only 1 tank end a few amord cars the dutch indies had a few more
I see why suriname only armourd cars have
16:23 2 landsverks standing behind the M39 confiscated by the germans.
Tank= M 8, Cascavel fron Brasil !
"Nedderlands"
His pronunciation could be better... In dutch he technically says it right, but I think he is trying to say it in english...
Hey make more Stop motion
A for effort
Brought this up to 666 likes... oof.
De Neddoowands?
We waren nog steeds oudbollig
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13:45 Le DAF M 39 est très réussi.
27:05 tesla cyber truck
17:21 Elon musk has somthing to explain now.
Samoa??? We never had Samoa ....
Ik kom zelf uit Nederland en ik vind tank
Ik kan mij indenken dat die Duitsers zich een kriek hebben gelachen, stelde niet zo veel voor.............................
wie is Nederlands?
LOL 3:25
Aka we where whack
What minute to jancoks
the smallest army in europe ...
Nope belgium and luxembourg army are smaller
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dutch army a joke
Wat maken wij toch een lelijke dingen Christus
wel apart
Die DAF pantserwagen valt toch wel mee?!
Ben je een bot? Want dit is een vage Nederlandse zin.
Aliumz taught me nothing nee maar nu ik hem terug lees heb je inderdaad gelijk😂
David klopt maar de rest 😂😂
Lol no wonder, why germans crush them like bugs
Oh? So the fact that Germany had complete air superiority (because the Dutch Air Force, like the country, was fucking tiny) had nothing to do with it? Or that the Heer (the German Army was NOT called the Wermacht, that was the name for ALL the German Armed Forces as a whole) was vast in comparison to the small Dutch Arm? What about the fact that the Netherlands is as flat as a Billiard table making it difficult to defend against a mechanised combined arms force? How about the fact that the population of the Netherlands was about 10% of that of Germany? So all of these had no effect on the fact that the Netherlands fell? It was just the tanks? Probably best if you think before you speak, lest you make yourself look like an idiot.
@@alganhar1
main reason that the dutch army was defeated within 5 days,was due to the fact that various cabinets refused to invest in a well-equipped and trained army during the interbellum period.
And gambled that Germany would respect neutrality. .....
@@spring-jo8xv In fact Rotterdam was bombed because the resistance of the dutch forceds was much stiffer then expected by the germans, the battle of the Hague was won by dutch forces costing the germans about 2000 well trained paratroopers and 225 Ju-52 (half of their fleet)
For my fellow dutchies, I think the FT shown in this video is now on display in the Nationaal Militair Museum near Soesterberg. Great place with a cool collection
It is