Yoko Ono's miniature battleground

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  • @Demasx
    @Demasx Год назад +297

    Fun seeing Tom describe the "Fog of War" game mechanic without the terminology.

    • @lilywashere27
      @lilywashere27 Год назад +1

      Another Sudoku fan!

    • @PianoKwanMan
      @PianoKwanMan Год назад +24

      There is a version of online chess with this exact mechanic

  • @4077Disc
    @4077Disc Год назад +259

    Scott's idea for Hidden King chess is awesome.
    The Rules:
    Each player puts a fully hidden sticker on the bottom of one of their pieces. It can be placed on any piece, pawn to king. All pieces move according to standard rules. When taking a piece from your opponent, you check the bottom of the piece for the sticker. If it has the sticker, you have taken their king and won.
    A notable down side is that check/checkmate wouldn't be a thing anymore, but the upside of the intrigue of trying to pick out the other players king based on how they are playing seems very fun. Kind of like Stratego, but still veryCchess.

    • @SharienGaming
      @SharienGaming Год назад +21

      actually you could keep a version of check/mate
      essentially if a player thinks they have identified the king and make a move that would attack them...they can declare check... and if they are right - the other player actually has to follow the usual rules about a king in check
      would probably limit the ability to call check, so calling it all the time blindly isnt a possible strategy
      might add another layer of misdirection in how you respond to a correct call of check, or how you pretend to follow a wrong call^^

    • @kontradance1723
      @kontradance1723 Год назад +14

      I was thinking, maybe just write it down on a piece of paper at the beginning, so it wouldn't be possible to spot it while moving the piece, or whatnot.
      Also, maybe you could implement a rule like if you take the usual king you get to know which figure is the actual king in this game.

    • @mellamobob
      @mellamobob Год назад +19

      this sounds cool. but I think the best strategy would be to always choose your queen to be your king. it's perfectly normal for a player to prioritize not losing their queen, and to decline queen trades, even in normal chess. the only reasons to sacrifice your queen, in normal chess, would be to protect your king, or checkmate the opponent's king. but as both those incentives are removed, you'd have almost no reason to ever sacrifice your queen, so you may as well make her your king. just my 2 cents.

    • @xchronox0
      @xchronox0 Год назад +8

      @@mellamobob Could either ban the queen from becoming the king, or just embrace the fact that players will be more likely to take riskier moves to take queens knowing that it would be a powerful strategy to make it their king.

    • @korganrocks3995
      @korganrocks3995 Год назад +6

      I had a game called Stratego or something as a kid, where all your pieces had different values written on the back, but looked the same from the front, so you could see which one was which but your opponent would have to guess. So it kind of was a mix between chess and battleship.

  • @flutechannel
    @flutechannel Год назад +6

    Oh Yoko...

  • @myladycasagrande863
    @myladycasagrande863 Год назад +156

    I've played Battleship Chess: my brother and I each had a board and only our own pieces, with a barrier between us. Our sister had a full set to track our moves and let us know if we had captured a piece or couldn't make a particular move. Cumbersome, but fun!

    • @qwertyTRiG
      @qwertyTRiG Год назад +2

      I've heard of that game under the name German Intelligence Chess (in a thriller novel by Geoffrey Household, I think).

    • @WyvernYT
      @WyvernYT Год назад +2

      You're not the first person to invent this but I'm very glad that it's gotten posted here early so others can read about it.

    • @Autoskip
      @Autoskip Год назад +4

      It's officially known as Kriegspiel (literally German for "War Game") - I've never played it myself, but it does look like good fun, and I've wanted to play it pretty much since I found out about it years ago.

    • @Extramrdo
      @Extramrdo Год назад +1

      @@Autoskip My uncle used to do a yearly family gathering to play Kriegspiel, and we've still got his 12+ chess sets in the basement. Most of them were dollar-store cheap cardboard, but the ones for the judge were small, magnetic, and mildly ornate. I'm not the sort of person who loves chess, but just watching the adults play, none of them were grandmasters but they got into it and... those were the days.

  • @Njald
    @Njald Год назад +59

    Without knowing the details of the art piece itself, as a chess player this was instantly the thought that came to mind. Including Tom's thought about "hamfisted 60s idea of unity"

  • @nathanlawrence2484
    @nathanlawrence2484 Год назад +76

    The "king is not actually the king piece" is a concept that exists in Stratego!

    • @adamsbja
      @adamsbja Год назад +2

      That was my thought as well. Chess with Stratego pieces.

    • @byeguyssry
      @byeguyssry Год назад

      Ah, that was the game I was thinking of

  • @ncg195
    @ncg195 Год назад +21

    The thing is, and I say this as an experienced chess player, having all of the pieces be the same color would not be a hinderence to an expericnced player. Tom briefly mentioned that Grandmasters can play an entire game blindfolded, which is very true, but you don't even have to be that good to do it. I am nowhere near that level of chess skill, but I have played entire games without a board on many occasions. Last year, on a road trip with friends, I played, and won, a game against my friend while I was driving. He had the board on his phone and was playing my moves as I called them out, but I never looked at the board. During the course of the game, I only made one mistake as far as forgetting where a piece was (I tried to jump over one of my own pawns with a bishop because I forgot the pawn was there), and I blundered a knight late in the game when I was already well ahead because I didn't see that it was under attack. My point is that I would have no trouble remembering which pieces were mine and which were my opponent's if they were all the same color, and most chess players would probably say the same thing.

    • @DaTimmeh
      @DaTimmeh 7 месяцев назад +1

      If I had to guess, most people above like 1600 or 1800 ELO can play blindfolded no problem.
      That's the level of a strong school club player, probably not the best in the club, though.

    • @jenm1
      @jenm1 4 месяца назад

      I think the point is that war usually doesn't involve skilled players at all. It's just people doing whatever. It's often played up as some mythic strategy game, when most soldiers and commanders don't know what they're doing and come back to tell tall tales about the battlefield.

  • @Atarian6502
    @Atarian6502 Год назад +39

    With every episode I am more and more convinced it would be very useful to put the picture/video clip of the guessed object/event (if applicable/available) at the end of the episode. I know this is primarily a podcast (so no video intended), but since you are publishing these highlights on RUclips anyway, I think many people would appreciate it.

    • @tiadeets
      @tiadeets 11 месяцев назад

      It could also be posted on the episode page for the podcast version. The problem being that those images would probably be copyrighted.

    • @jenm1
      @jenm1 4 месяца назад

      @@tiadeets They could just link to it and cite the image.

  • @sevret313
    @sevret313 Год назад +19

    While Churchill's variant of chess is one of those kinds of travel boards with magnets so you can fight on the beaches.

    • @artbk
      @artbk Год назад +2

      Thought of that too when she went on about fighting in different environments

    • @robertwilloughby8050
      @robertwilloughby8050 Год назад +3

      Be careful with that. Churchill, of all people, is credited with one of the first viable magnet chess sets. As in designing it (with a friend). The simile breaks down a bit when you find out he did it after the war (1948, if you need to know) so, no, he couldn't have fought them on the beaches....😉
      Ps. Hey, Tom, when are you going to get Heline on here? (I'm not shipping, honest!)

    • @usmh
      @usmh Год назад +2

      @@robertwilloughby8050 Holy shit, I thought he was just kidding. That's good trivia.

  • @scragar
    @scragar Год назад +16

    The board isn't standard, there's no checkerboard pattern, all the squares are white, but differentiated by being slightly different heights so "black" tiles are all slightly raised.

  • @MarylandFarmer.
    @MarylandFarmer. Год назад +13

    "Let's double the war!" cracked me up

  • @GoErikTheRed
    @GoErikTheRed Год назад +9

    When they got to “having to remember things” I envisioned a version where you essentially queue up like 5 moves in your head, then you’re both locked into played that sequence (no piece can move more than once). I guess you could write down your moves beforehand, but you could also play where you just have to trust that the other person won’t change their moves mid sequence

    • @WyvernYT
      @WyvernYT Год назад +3

      This is a key game mechanic in Robo Rally.

  • @ElectricFury
    @ElectricFury Год назад +6

    I guessed it right away! I assumed "trust" meant you had to trust the opponent that the piece they want to move is actually their piece and not yours

  • @cosmicjenny4508
    @cosmicjenny4508 Год назад +64

    I'm proud to say that, ignoring the ones I already knew, I guessed this one straight away.
    You'll just have to trust me :)

    • @SeamusDonohueEVEOnline
      @SeamusDonohueEVEOnline Год назад +4

      Source: Just trust me, bro. :P

    • @kavyavijay4953
      @kavyavijay4953 Год назад +3

      Yeah this is the first time I got one immediately that I didn’t actually know the answer to .

    • @qwertyTRiG
      @qwertyTRiG Год назад +2

      I've guessed a couple recently. It's fun. Not this one, though.

    • @mk_rexx
      @mk_rexx Год назад

      Are you, by chance, dressed in all white?

  • @M_Zidane
    @M_Zidane Год назад +8

    It amazes me that Tom Scott has played Command & Conquer.

    • @PassiveDestroyer
      @PassiveDestroyer Год назад +1

      He played Mario Kart with The Technical Difficulties for a video.
      I bet he played games back in the late-90s to early-00s, while he was still in school.

    • @Schmidtelpunkt
      @Schmidtelpunkt Год назад +2

      That might have been one of the network classics around the time he studied. One had one copy of the came with two discs, so it was the go-to choice when connecting two computers.

  • @cool110
    @cool110 Год назад +2

    I've actually played on that when it was at the Museum of Liverpool.

  • @jasonshere
    @jasonshere Год назад +3

    All of those game variations sound fun!

  • @davidmillen7584
    @davidmillen7584 Год назад

    At 0:55, each side was a mix of black and white pieces or they were all the same colour

  • @Devieus
    @Devieus Год назад +2

    It's wild Tom went on such a big tangent that was somehow completely accurate

  • @artbk
    @artbk Год назад

    At 5:07, Dani went full Churchill: "We're gonna fight them on land! We're gonna fitght them on the seas!..."

  • @AnonymousFreakYT
    @AnonymousFreakYT Год назад +5

    I was thinking that the chess pieces were like the pieces in the board game "Stratego" where the pieces are all identical in shape, with a sticker on one side (the side facing the player whose pieces they are) so that only you know which pieces of yours are where.
    Pick up and move a piece diagonally - opponent "wait, I thought that was a rook…"

    • @MEatRHIT2009
      @MEatRHIT2009 Год назад +1

      Not sure if it changed at all but the ones I had were embossed or screen printed rather than stickers (actually fact checking my next point apparently in the 90s they were sold with stickers rather than gold/silver imprinting on plastic or wood). Also, you couldn't move diagonally only forwards/backwards/left/right.

  • @cannot-handle-handles
    @cannot-handle-handles 9 месяцев назад

    01:07 The brief pause before making a Yoko Ono pun is called … an Ono second. Wait, I'm mixing that up with another Tom Scott video.

  • @ec3189
    @ec3189 4 месяца назад

    Glad it was something else, I immediately thought "human lives all count the same, so all pieces are pawns and you have to keep track of how each piece moves and which is the king"

  • @MyRegardsToTheDodo
    @MyRegardsToTheDodo Год назад +24

    To use this to show the futility of war is kinda stupid, though, because it's way easier to win this way. "Yes, that was definitely my queen that checkmated your king there..."

    • @RFC-3514
      @RFC-3514 Год назад +3

      So, you cheat and _your opponent's_ queen wins. See?

    • @InShortSight
      @InShortSight Год назад +12

      I think the point is that if all the pieces are the same colour then nobody can win. Nobody wins in war.
      Consider that if you did take the "enemy" king with "their" queen then they could just claim you took your own king.

    • @jenm1
      @jenm1 4 месяца назад

      That's the point omfg

    • @jenm1
      @jenm1 4 месяца назад

      @@InShortSight Honestly, people who just don't like her will come up with the dumbest explanations to dismiss her.

  • @Zelmel
    @Zelmel Год назад +2

    I was thinking it might be normal chess, but you can only touch your opponent's pieces and they can only touch yours. You have to trust them to make the moves you ask them to.

  • @webchimp
    @webchimp Год назад

    There was a board game I played which was a sort of chess/ rock,paper,scissors mashup. It had three different pieces, artillery, cavalry, and foot soldiers. At the start of each round you wrote down your moves for all your pieces and went through the list one by one resolving conflicts with artillery beat cavalry, cavalry beat foot and foot beat artillery.

  • @TroubleDuo01
    @TroubleDuo01 Год назад

    I think y'all'd love the game Stratego. You can't see the other player's battle pieces and have to guess what they are based on movements.

  • @MountainHawkPYL
    @MountainHawkPYL Год назад +2

    It's easy to know who owns which pieces if you place them on the edge of each square closest to yourself.

    • @christafranken9170
      @christafranken9170 Год назад +1

      Well, that would kind of defeat the whole idea of this game

  • @martinfenton1275
    @martinfenton1275 Год назад

    Acornsoft Chess, as given away with the Acorn Electron, had a strange mode where you could move any piece anywhere.

  • @Crocodile29292
    @Crocodile29292 Год назад +2

    I guessed this one straight away because Yoko and John are obsessed with white colour

  • @kevinbarnard3502
    @kevinbarnard3502 Год назад

    I'm thinking when you get a checkmate, the losing king lets out a Yoko scream.

  • @tusken9669
    @tusken9669 Год назад

    5:04 Chattleship

  • @metashrew
    @metashrew Год назад

    oh i actually got close but not quite:
    I thought that maybe all the pieces were pawns.
    They'd still be black and white, but each player would have to remember which piece is which.
    It definitely wouldn't be as playable as Yoko One's version though.

  • @WolfJustWolf
    @WolfJustWolf Год назад

    Back in high school we played anarchist chess. No king or queen, you win by taking out all of the opponents pieces.

  • @Slikx666
    @Slikx666 Год назад

    And it come with a free CD which includes her greatest hits such as 'Aah', 'Hu hu hu hu', 'Ow ow ow ow' feat. Chris Brown, 'Ughhhh ughhhh' and the classic 'Hingy hingy hingy hingy'. 😐

  • @ShadowDrakken
    @ShadowDrakken 10 месяцев назад

    Well, at least you'd always know which knights and bishops were your own, and probably always be able to keep track of the king and queen just because of their positioning. It's really only the pawns and rooks that would get mixed up since they have no facing.

  • @theSolemnBard
    @theSolemnBard 10 месяцев назад

    In Raymond Smullyan's book The Chess Mysteries of Sherlock Holmes, Holmes encounters various games and has to deduce what must have happened for the board to be in that state. One game uses a set of red and green pieces, and the mystery is which side is really white

  • @wiseSYW
    @wiseSYW Год назад +3

    the rules are the same as in regular chess, except for these changes...

  • @theerasiddharth3173
    @theerasiddharth3173 Год назад +1

    Which White starts first?

  • @tttITA10
    @tttITA10 Год назад +2

    Oh, c'mon guys, it's Yoko Ono in the 60s. One could guess it from the get go.

  • @mattymerr701
    @mattymerr701 Год назад

    ChatGPT potentially does a lot more than just predicting the next word. It is possible that the hidden layers have more complex structures inside of it since afaik they are turing complete

    • @ZT1ST
      @ZT1ST Год назад +3

      It's more that it's using the previous words to predict the next word.
      But I'm very skeptical of calling it Turing Complete.

    • @alexandernelson3703
      @alexandernelson3703 3 месяца назад

      ​@ZT1ST TBH the idea of the Turing test as the be-all-end-all for robot consciousness has always been a bit suspect.
      The whole premise of "convincing a human being that its human" starts falling apart once you realize that A: Humans beings aren't that hard to fool. And B: Humans beings aren't even that good at recognizing ~others humans~ as humans (see racism, sexism, religious discrimination, etc.)
      In short I'd argue the Turing test is more a measure of mimicry than of true independent thought. Even Turing himself hesitated to call the test a true measure of thought, but people latched onto it anyway because we love the idea of a simple solution to a complex question.

  • @ryougahibiki941
    @ryougahibiki941 Год назад

    I thought they were referring to monocrome chess.
    All pieces are the same colour, and your pieces are on your half of the board. If you take a piece, by crossing the board's half way point that piece now belongs to the other player. You have to achieve checkmate via long distance.

  • @asherfilms923
    @asherfilms923 Год назад +1

    I thought it was going to be all pawns

  • @jordanwidmer3561
    @jordanwidmer3561 Год назад

    I guessed all white chess pieces... because of the 'all white' joke in the Powerpuff Girls episode where they parody the Beatles.

  • @evviesands
    @evviesands Год назад

    Ok, but, isn't anybody going to mention that the set has a prominent appearance on John Lennon's Imagine video????? When I heard Yoko Ono and chess I immediately thought of it.

  • @IFGchannel931
    @IFGchannel931 Год назад

    I finally got one of these answers correct right away. Yey

  • @meiliyinhua7486
    @meiliyinhua7486 Год назад

    I'm just thinking "oh there's a go variant just like that, it's fun"

  • @adammullarkey4996
    @adammullarkey4996 Год назад

    Now I want to see a castle sink a battleship.

  • @S_Tinguely
    @S_Tinguely Год назад

    It's funny : it's a thing go players do regularly to practice memorisation of the board !

  • @lforlight
    @lforlight Год назад

    Rather quickly I figured it'd be some artsy nonsense, and assumed that all pieces were replaced with checkers pieces. After hearing the standard pieces bit, I went to colors.

  • @concuoreauftrittstraining43
    @concuoreauftrittstraining43 Год назад

    I don't know why but I got it immediately :)

  • @Kixuf12
    @Kixuf12 Год назад

    Now I'm imagining the chess game from the first harry potter movie but when Ron gets beaten its a full scale stone aircraft carrier crashing into him

  • @emergencystoppingonly
    @emergencystoppingonly Год назад

    i guessed that within a few seconds, had no idea i was right

  • @amitayudas1411
    @amitayudas1411 Год назад

    absolutely amazing piece of art work! but we will not learn from it!

  • @garybarnes4169
    @garybarnes4169 Год назад

    It took till 04:14 for Tom to guess what I guessed almost immediately.

  • @chim-choo-ree
    @chim-choo-ree 10 месяцев назад

    You didn't mention that the board they played on was also comprised of all white squares.

    • @RunstarHomer
      @RunstarHomer 3 месяца назад

      That doesn't really change anything though

  • @TrondBørgeKrokli
    @TrondBørgeKrokli Год назад +1

    Some politician should make a chess set with olive green (military green) pieces on both sides, then send it as a gift to Putin to make a point. Then again, it is unlikely that he would accept the concept and its logical conclusion.

  • @Bricksmouth
    @Bricksmouth 11 месяцев назад

    The ‘white’ chair has been covered up!

  • @beezany
    @beezany Год назад

    I was expecting her to go one further & make all of the pieces white pawns.

  • @ntlespino
    @ntlespino Год назад

    Time for a lot of people to look up Salpakan

  • @marpintado
    @marpintado Год назад

    To me it´s better to see everybody at the same time in it´s window.

  • @57thorns
    @57thorns Год назад

    Another one I managed immediately.

  • @crashmat1042
    @crashmat1042 Год назад

    I guessed þis one right from þe start!

  • @PianoKwanMan
    @PianoKwanMan Год назад

    The three of them completely missed the past where it's Yoko Ono lol

  • @jannetteberends8730
    @jannetteberends8730 Год назад

    Now I understand that Lennon was attracted to Ono.

  • @fuby6065
    @fuby6065 11 месяцев назад

    The opposite of this, would of course be Arnold Schwarzenegger's one-sided chess set

  • @uplink-on-yt
    @uplink-on-yt Год назад

    That might explain Wagner's march on Moscow: they forgot which pieces are the enemy.

  • @gamesetmatt23
    @gamesetmatt23 Год назад

    I guessed this almost straight away. Another fairly simple one. Check mate.

  • @AndrewWilsonStooshie
    @AndrewWilsonStooshie Год назад

    "Viz" magazine did a politically correct chess set. 32 grey pawns all on the same side.

  • @BonBonB
    @BonBonB 8 месяцев назад

    Yoko Uno???

  • @pyrobryan
    @pyrobryan Год назад

    I'm guessing they were all pawns and you had to trust that your opponent was moving his "knight" or his "bishop", etc.
    edit: I might be on to something. The way she paused before saying all the pieces were normal. Oh, that might also mean that all the pieces were the same color....

  • @sophiamarchildon3998
    @sophiamarchildon3998 Год назад

    Initial thoughts: all the pieces were the same colour (but then is it really standard?), and there is no apparent difference between one player's or the other's. Then, you must work mutual trust to establish which pieces are whose?
    If the pieces are really standard, maybe the board isn't. It could be, once again, a single colour. Yet, legal/valid piece movements would still be clear and easy to determine.
    So I'm leaning toward different rules specified for this game (maybe blindfolded so an illegal move could be done surreptitiously). But then, there is no need for a custom chess set, just a different rule set. Using the same piece shape for every pieces goes back to using the same colour pieces proposition.
    ... Could it be that the set was precariously balancing itself, and both players need to work together, moving pieces in somewhat mirrored harmony, not to unbalance it so much as to ruin the game (pieces falling off, toppling, etc.)?
    Or even simpler, the set could be made to be rested on the players' lap, or hands. But that would technically result in voided/null games, and not be really a trust issue anyway. None of those seem to fit adequately.
    The YT title of this video mentions "miniature battleground". It's a stretch, but maybe you had to put something of value inside the pieces; perhaps a piece of paper with some risk attached to it (higher value piece, deeper the info). If the opponent captures one of your pieces, they could learn that "secret/privileged" info (or earn a favour/service). There's the trust. It does require a custom set to encapsulate the info within. It doesn't change the base rules (as James May would say: "Standard!"). And you would only play a game between people that could (trust) open up to the other, or deceive/betray them into putting more valuable info than you do. Even if that's not the answer, this one is such a neat idea.

    • @sophiamarchildon3998
      @sophiamarchildon3998 Год назад

      Results: I was right with my first guess, yet my first objection to it still stands. Would a pro-level official game be allowed the same-coloured "standard (usual, rule verified, appropriate, ...) pieces"? No.
      And then I went way deep to find some fitting case... A bit of a let down. That's what happens when we don't define exact terms before having a discussion using them. Still possibly the one that got me working my nugget the most.

  • @rakvian
    @rakvian Год назад

    Chat GPT also can't play tic tac toe

  • @handiman5001
    @handiman5001 Год назад

    The chess game was an art piece not an actual board and pieces

    • @lateralcast
      @lateralcast  Год назад

      It's a board and pieces - you can play it. www.moma.org/audio/playlist/15/385

  • @pthelo
    @pthelo Год назад +2

    Yoko OH NOOOOO!!!!

  • @Cossieuk
    @Cossieuk Год назад

    Who goes first as white always starts. So you would have to fight over who starts

  • @katherinekinnaird7522
    @katherinekinnaird7522 Год назад

    🎉A

  • @algorithmizer
    @algorithmizer Год назад

    yay

  • @Haights
    @Haights Год назад

    Pieces in disguise, oh God the homestuck flashbacks

  • @ktsmells
    @ktsmells Год назад +1

    Yolk? Oh, oh no.

  • @MrBarberousse
    @MrBarberousse Год назад

    I have never tried 1 colour chess ♟️ but 1 colour go is definitely feasible. For me, that’s an interesting variation and the art part of it would be very secondary.

  • @mattymerr701
    @mattymerr701 Год назад

    ChatGPT potentially does a lot more than just predicting the next word. It is possible that the hidden layers have more complex structures inside of it since afaik they are turing complete