I remember that in dead space they had the game tell you to cut off the enemies limbs 3 seperate times in the span of like 1 minute because the play testers would ignore the game telling them what to do, sounds like a certain streamer I know
@@Ar1AnX1x The games Asmon decides to play vs what he decides to skip make absolutely no sense. This dude consistently plays a shitty gacha game and throws away money at it instead of playing BG3....
Although to be fair, by release, Dead Space players will eventually get the idea that they HAVE to shoot the wildly slashing limbs of the Necromorphs or they'll get annihilated in seconds. It is THAT clear. Oh, who am I kidding? Some gamers are DSP levels of brainpower.
Asmongold: "Bro, I just like the fact that I do a lot of damage." Devs: "Increase the damage displayed by a thousand, but don't let it have an actual affect on the boss."
This reminds me of this airport who got extreme amounts of complaints that people had to wait absolute ages for their baggage. Like people were actually raaaging. So they built a corridor around the entire perimeter of the building, so that people would have to walk 15 minutes to get to the baggage area and then only wait 5-10 mins. Complaints dropped by like 80%.. Humans are weird.
walking is more relaxing than standing. installing the longer walk in effect was entertainment. i don't see what's strange about it. would you prefer to have a fidget spinner when waiting around for five minutes, or nothing?
@@Khunark I know, but time spent was the same in the end, so one would expect to get at least a measurable amount of complaints from people that they had to walk for ages to get to the baggage claim, but they got practically none. It's still quite an interesting psychological observation.
@@melanp4698 yeah but its not like they had the old time to compare to? its an airport, if you gotta walk you gotta walk, why complain about walking. if a mcdonalds is 5 minute walking distance from my house, and then it shuts down and I have to now walk 25 minutes to get to the new Mcdonalds, im not about to sit and cry or go complain to them for moving locations, but I'd for sure complain if i had to wait... 10 minutes at the first mcdonalds. I'd say a big factor is that the location seems unfixable, but the speed they get stuff done in is fixable (most of the time)
@@mysticflow467 That's not really a comparable situation though. Walking 20 minutes to McD and waiting 2 minutes for food or walking 2 minutes to McD and waiting 20 minutes for food would be more correct. I prefer walking to standing as well (so do many people), the point is that it's a psychological solution. The airport had to spend several millions creating something that had no practical value, only to raise customer satisfaction.
@@melanp4698 ye definitely an interesting situation, but im just saying its not like complaining about how far away the bags are is as viable as complaining about how long you had to wait. unless you already knew that the bags used to be 15 minutes closer
Reminds me of in Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory where people were complaining that that the Allies SMG was way stronger than the Axis SMG. But the weapons were exactly the same numerically. The devs figured out that the Thompson just had bassier audio than the MP40, so players felt like it was better. They just brought down the bass and that "fixed" it. The idea that the Thompson was better was so ingrained, that players actually statistically did worse with the MP40 just because they thought it was weaker.
similiar thing happened in LoL. devs released patch notes saying they nerfed a champion. they actually forgot to nerf him, but his win rate fell hard anyway
Reminds me of a developer commentary that I listened to for "Half-Life 2: Episode Two", where they were talking about the development process for a puzzle in the game involving an elevator in order to make it function. Initially, the puzzle was somewhat complicated, involving the player having to find multiple components in multiple locations within the area, then assembling them in a particular order; problem was, many of their playtesters were getting stuck on the segment because for them it was too complicated. One of the playtesters, and I shit you not, ended up drowning in a puddle maybe a foot deep trying to figure out how to solve the puzzle. The only way to refine the segment to the point that a reasonable number of testers could solve the puzzle in a reasonable amount of time was to grossly oversimplify the puzzle to the point that all the player now has to do is find ONE component, just mash it onto a very obvious component slot, then pull a lever. If you purchase "The Orange Box" it has that game and several others, all with developer commentaries you can listen to; the way they speak it, their play tester team was either a bunch of very competent monkeys, or people who spent a large part of their developmental years eating lead paint chips and headbutting brick walls.
yep, people dont like taking their time in games anymore which is weird if you think about it. why do so many people wanna rush through and beat a game so quickly? theres nothing to do once you hit the end game so again why rush things? take time, look around, explore ffs. this is prob another reason why so many devs dont try anymore. gamers dont appreciate the small details they put in the games so they just stopped doing it. people also just want games to play themselves and again its like, just go watch a movie then dude wtf are you doing here in the gaming section of life? lol
@morewi surely you'd think kids should have a shorter attention span than adults, so it should be the opposite no? Or do you mean because adults have less free time? Well you could still theoretically just play and enjoy the same game for a longer time, just with shorter sessions. I don't think it's anything to do with people growing up. I think games are just getting less content
@@morewi yeah but like I said you can still play a longer game, it just takes more sessions since the sessions aren't as long. I don't think that's the only reason. It's probably also because of the publishers being incentivised to produce smaller games because it costs them less, and they can sell more games and DLC quicker, because players get through the game in less than 20 hours
in the corporate world, we had users who just absolutely had to find something to complain about in demos, no matter how obscure. So we would actually modify the code before the demo to put in a visual glitch... an icon that wasn't aligned properly or something like that. Then they would point that out, we'd say, "oh, good catch" and then they would be happy that they found a "bug" and then shut up for the rest of the demo
Haha, that's the oldest trick in the book. I remember reading that the architect of Louis the fourteenth would deliberately add one flaw to his design before showing it to the king so that the King could point it out and satisfy his ego.
this at least sounds legit confusing and rare to find in other games... in "monster hunter rise" there is armor skill that drains your hp over time for increased damage and i have seen like 3-5 posts on reddit asking why their HP is going down as soon as they will find the monster "they have tried everything" and they most of the time ask if their game is bugged xd armor skills in that game play a big role so its not like its hidden from players or something... u just need to read what the fk are you putting on your character thats all... its like 1-3 small lines of text. its not like POE or league skill descriptions + that skill appears rather late in game so u need to spend like 10-20h first to even get it
In Half Life, there’s a section where you make your wave through a small cave-like opening. Inside, there’s two paths, one of which is blocked off. In playtesting, both paths were open, with one leading to the next room and the other being a short loop back to where you started. Valve decided to seal off the looping option after a playtester walked in circles for a reported 7 hours and complained that the game was too poorly signposted.
Ironically this happened to me when I played Episode 2. Of course, difference is that I realized I was going in circles after a couple of times. I still don't really understand how that happened, either. Didn't happen the second time I played it.
For any serious thought into this: It only works if the problem was actually something else that you happened to 'fix', and there's another problem that isn't addressed: regressive feedback. (*)For all video game problems complained about on the internet, it's mostly anonymous. It's very easy to say "players are unhappy" but WHICH players? If you change something, and "players are unhappy" how do you know if the previous group is now satisfied and it's a new group of players speaking? It's actually not that hard to actually do this, but a lot of people don't even check. For the false ping, it probably worked because of a combination of the two: - Ping wasn't the huge factor in satisfaction vs performance, if players couldn't confidently blame "the game" then they could only blame themselves for just not being good enough, which is usually far less frustrating. - (*)People who didn't notice a change at all would still be complaining, no patch ever goes with 100% approval with thousands or millions of players. Also, this was a long time ago. There are a lot of recent examples in 2024 where just "lying" doesn't work at all, but instead backfires. An easy one is Helldivers 2 armor bug where it just wasn't working. They said they fixed it - it wasn't - and the sentiment got even worse overall. However, the point of this comment is the (*) marked sections: devs should seriously invest some time into creating a simple system that actually tracks feedback, because a dumbass's feedback is only useful in finding out what a dumbass might spew at any given moment.
This happened a few years ago in League with a Vlad nerf. They had it in the patch notes but forgot to ship it in the actual live build and players went "UGH, UNPLAYABLE NOW, TRASH, etc" and then they said that they forgot to ship the change and were surprised by players' reactions. The players got real quiet for about a day, then went back at it. Players are dumb as FUCK and just love any outlet for their life frustrations that they can get.
This is actually very known and even scientifically studied! For example in one study i've seen they gave pieces of exactly same cloth to subjects and asked them to count differences they could find while ofc claiming they were different. If i remember right it was over 90% of subjects who instanty began counting differences like colour, texture, thickness etc which wasn't there. Only a small minority of subjects could see they were exactly same..
im autistic (huge shock considering i watch asmon right) and i wanna see them do this test on autists whose sensory processing disorder is as fucked up as mine is and then see the results lol
@@andyb9664 better yet, variable science experiment: have all the fabrics in the study be asmons shirts. also i ngl i and some other neurodivergent people do the same thing asmon does where i pick one type of shirt i like and then buy 10 copies of that shirt (ok im not sure asmon owns as many as 10 copies of The Shirt) and then only wear that shirt on rotation BUT i can tell which have been washed once vs which are never worn vs which have been washed the most because over time, fabric texture degrades/
Same thing happened with God of War Ragnarok. The devs got tons of complaints from the public and their playtesters that the puzzles were "too hard" and "took too long" to solve. That is why Altreus gives you the answer in like a minute or so because that was the average attention span the developers found that playtesters/streamers had.
@@dean_l33you'd be surprised what a decade or more of games that just spoon feed content will do to a person's brain in terms of problem solving and task managing. It's why games that don't hold your hand like the soulsborne series or baldurs gate 3 are so appreciated. Sometimes lessons just gotta be learned on their own and they're more satisfying that way.
reminds me of a story of a linemen for a power company or internet company, they were installing 5g to a small town and the people started complaining of headaches and a few other things, the linemen says "you guys dont know we havent turned it on yet"
@@thfrussia6717uhh we actually do unless you buy in this deep state bs (Turn on 5G reception AND/OR check the telecoms regulation data giving you the full data about a given tower or station capabilities)
Reminds of the Darkest Dungeon incident. The devs changed the game strategy drastically by adding a new mechanic (corpses), which the majority of players were against. They got insane amount of negative feedback but they were like "Nah this is necessary for the game's health, this is staying." After enough complaints they added an option in the menu to disable this new mechanic. Then they tracked how many people played the game with that setting disabled, it was an incredibly small amount of players. Something like 99% played with the new mechanic on.
Not exactly an accurate representative of how many players actually didn't want it. I am one of those players that play games they way devs intended especially if it adds more difficulty to the game. So I would be one of those players complaining but still keep it on anyway. Or I'd just stop playing the game instead of turning it off, better option for me. And then there's the thing known as people can't bother to read jack shit and ignore everything, AKA went and sent complaint, and then never found out that there's an option to turn off that new mechanic. That statistic would look drastically different if the default option was no corpses, but you have option to turn them on.
steam counts you as having played a game if you own it and got like 2 hrs or 1 achievement for it, also this feature happened during early access IIRC which is when feedback is supposed to be valued and responded to by devs. but the proportion of players playing EA and therefore aware of the change is a skewed sample bias. even if i hadnt been in EA, i am that OCD player who the first thing i do is i open a games options menu / settings and go through every single options menu seeing what it is and if i wanna change it or not, gameplay related or not. how many games players or buyers do that...yea basically none. sry for being autistic (i actually am, so not SORRY sorry lol) just pointing out i think this example's nebulous. ~altho my opinion as an autist is that players who do not check options settings before they commit to a ??? hr save file are dumb but i dont tell my friends who are smarter than me and better at games than me anyway this lmao~
@@rainycake i was going to be snarky but i havent been able to sleep for 3 days so at this point im not editing or checking what i write for clarity ...so i went to your youtube channel and checked out your last video posted and since you have a hot accent and wrote a long and genuinely nice thank you note to your subscribers which seemed heartfelt, that like my comment, no one is obliged to read and probably won't, i don't want to snark. if you want i can edit my post to BE clear but i didnt get the vibe you asked me that in good faith or expecting a reply tho
It's like that one game where the testers kept saying the shotgun was too powerful and broken but it turned out it was just too fun because the sound was too punchy so they just turned the sound down and it became more balanced
I actually remember having a negative ping once in counter strikes, and deducing something in the line “wow my connection must be quite fast to end up negative!”
As a software developer - FUCK YES. People were complaining about "changes" that were not made even if IT dept boss who owned the project made workshops and explained every single line in the changelog :D:D
There is also an infamous patch in league of legends were they were going to buff a character named Vladimir because he had 47% winrate and according to the playerbase it was the worst champion and needed serious buffs. Patch notes were released with all the "buffs" and everybody started using that champ making it reach 51% winrate. A few weeks later Riot announced that the buffs for Vladimir were never actually applied to the game. So basically people got better playing the champion with just a placebo patch. Why did the champion got 47% winrate? Because good players avoided using it based on overall playerbase stats. Once good players started picking him again and getting good with him its winrate stabilized. In just a few wordst the whole Vladimir incident could be resumed as; the character didnt need any buffs but the playerbase needed to learn how to play it before asking for buffs. From that day RIOT only surveys champion feedback with the top 1% of players. Yup, they do survey, but casual/bad players dont get to vote because they are bad at the game.
@@Curiouzity_Omega because changes can have highly different impacts on different elos. and sometimes changes for high elo arent impacting the lower elos at all (atleast when accounting for what they actually wanted to nerf). like when shroud got nerfed because in the hightest echelions of lol yone was a niche abuser of it. thats irrelevant for like 99,99x of the entire playerbase. mundo is completely average in my elo for example but an ungodly low elo stomper. bro almost hit 55% winrate in iron/bronze/silver at some point and even now still well above 53% with bruisers getting good item buffs. that on the other hand is impacting more than 55% of the whole playerbase. its often times kinda tricky to balance around both groups and for some champs (in lol anyways) simply impossible but you kinda have to do both to some extend. and i mean riot does lol. in the end the 99% of players are paying the big benjamins and if they are unhappy with your product and wont engage with it anymore you lose money.
@@Curiouzity_Omega No, they are the best at certain things. Ask pro players to play against a team of off-meta OTPs and they'll likely have a hard time.
Dude really using Riot as a example of balance, especially given their track record of (or lack of) balancing certain champions based on popularity and skins releases.
@@TheWashableBomb Interesting. I remember plenty of NES or Atari 2600 games that had enemies with flashing weak points. When was this time you speak of?
@@TheWashableBomb Yea, having those flashing weak points can look annoying, but still better than never letting the player know that there are weak points in the first place. You'd see players spend hours trying to figure out why sometimes they did decent damage and rest of the time the damage was complete garbage lol. No flashing or obvious weak points is fine too as long as it follows a logic. In most games aiming for the head is quite obvious since we're all used to it. But when your enemy doesn't even have a head... wtf are you supposed to aim at? It's fine too if the game tells you, or gives you hints... ANYTHING.
I created a Tibia server back in the day and people kept complaining about the damage formula. Even if I showned them the actual code and explained the calculation and then the wiki on how it is suppose to be for that type of server (7.4) they still complained because on X server it was different, and yes X server was different because they didn't use the correct formula that they claimed to have wanted. I ended up changing it completely and players were happy that now it works "as intended"...
DAMN. Scrolling and reading all these comments for 20 minutes and just stumbled upon this. I never thought I'd see ANYONE mention Tibia. Long live Tibia. Haha
one time I joined a CS server and had super low ping and I pulled out deagles and started headshotting everyone like a madman I was popping off I had never ever EVER had that kind of luck before I was SO HAPPY to have found that server where I can finally play with low ping. the server admin banned me for cheating :(
Back in the day CS server admins were mongrels. Their fun gets ruined your fun gets ruined. Started running my own server from home as a teenager, found myself doing the same thing. Teleporting people around the map and setting them on fire was not a good way of keeping returning users. So pretty much most private servers were trying to do was keep their core userbase that played over those that just showed up out of the blue and started dominating. TBH thinking back on that, it sort of worked as a skill diffuser but wasn't ideal when you didn't have enough players over multiple skill tiers, and also with lower skill levels would basically be confined to making their own bot servers.
happened to me before too. i got like 3 headshots in a row, just lucky, and i get called a cheater and get banned. having the ability to ban people is both a good and bad thing. its good to get rid of actually bad people, like mean people but too many people abuse its power and just get rid of players who are better than they are instead of, ya know, just gittin gud.
To be perfectly honest... I have seen this kind of stuff actually happen. Patch drops in, changes things completely unrelated to net code, yet somehow it affected the ping or game's performance. I've seen things like localisation patches breaking the games, so it really does not surprise me in the slightest.
That's what's called spaghetti code, unrelated changes affecting other parts of the program because it's poorly designed. Happens a lot and is the reason why I'm scared of people putting computers on everything and conecting them to the internet, software is unrealiable as fuck.
Downloading the update/patch will slow down your internet connection because the internet company slows it down the more you download they are about making money after all
yeah, it's like how people were saying to use console commands like cl interp ratio in cs2 for better experience, and then the patch note comes out saying "removing old cs go commands that had no effect on the game"
QA tester here. In my experience when a developer says they didn't change anything when something is breaking, they either don't have a clue or they are straight shifting blame. Hundreds of times I've seen developers say, "this defect is not reproducing for me/us, you must have made a mistake", close the defect, only to see it again as a different defect report because end users are reporting it.
@@epicadventureturtle1363 Also true, especially if you work with android. There are a lot of devices with horrible hardware and poor OpenGL/Vulkan implementations
I work as a QA too and also get those kinds of responses frequently. I've found reading the underlying code and instrumentation myself helps a lot- sometimes when you dig into it the cause is obvious and Devs are much more likely to fix it if you can tell them exactly whats wrong and why. If they have no idea it tends to sit on the backlog and not be addressed for some time.
Lol hes right. I used to work in a tattoo parlor. Made the designs. I knew a design is good, customer complained and wanted changes that would make it worse. Send em home told them to come back tomorrow and ill change it. Changed nothing. Outcome: wow thats much better im glad i told you!
Honestly, Asmon is very very easy to please in the short term. Give him a game where the combat is easy because the character is strong. Make the character look cool as shit while he's strong. Don't care if the game is long or if the balance is fucked, just make it so that he feels like an OP main character and he'll 10/10 your game lol.
I wish modern devs were at least this receptive to feedback, at least he reads the complaints. So many devs seem to ignore major issues or straight up say “Nuh uh!” Despite video evidence of bugs nowadays.
I feel like this clip shows why so many *don't*. Because a significant and very vocal part of the playerbase are complete retards who have no clue what they're talking about and you will actively ruin your game by listening to them.
Nah devs listening to players ruins games. Maybe 1% of player complaints would improve the game if you addressed them, the rest would make it worse. If you could just listen to players and do what they ask, we'd have millions of 10/10 games
The thing is, if the bug is not or hardly reproducible, there's not much you can do about it. People have no idea the level of complexity that goes in modern video games : in software when any system gets to big, you end up losing control of what the hell is going on. I don't work in video games but I imagine if you tell a dev that his changes created a bug for something else that's controlled by unrelated code he's never seen, and he realises the problem cannot be found without going through the entire 100k lines codebase... Well he's just gonna ignore your complaints. Also I suppose sometimes you have bugs that were there before, but they show up randomly, so you wrongly think it comes from the new release when you see thoses for the first time, but maybe it comes from the player/tester playing in a different way for whatever reason.
I think both can be true the devs did not change anything when it comes to lag but when you put out a new version a lot of people will come to see the changes making the servers run slow because they are full.
I am always glad that IceFrog never change on how willing they are to put out bullshit changes and stick with it, and also the players learn to accept them and adapt. I mean we still complain and some changes are dogshit but you know what I am saying.
@@beefystu559the only time icefrog really fucked up is when they added non-intuitive "fire element damage" and it got removed within a week😂 free game no bitching
In Wolfenstein Enemy Territory Thompson's sound effect sounded way more satisfying than the MP40's and the stats showed that people got more kills and headshots with the Thompson eventhough the stats of the guns were identical, so the devs nerfed the Thompson's sound to be weaker. And the Thompson's data of kills/hits got more equal with the MP40 xdd. Sometimes its just a stupid mental thing the players have like having a artificially lower latency makes u think the game is less laggier even if u actually have 100ping.
reminds me of a story i heard about WoW. they would give players a xp gain debuff when they were online too long, and people complained, so they just changed it so that regular xp gain was a "bonus xp gain" buff and the debuffed gain was the "regular" xp gain. nothing else changed, they still had reduced xp gain, and the players loved it.
This is called good game design. It's not ''omfg players are so stupid!!!'' if it feels good, it feels good and that means it's more fun. Sure, you can eat fucking cold sludge food and vitamin pills and survive that way. But it feels better to eat a nice hot dinner instead. You're not stupid for preferring the more comfortable food that feels better to eat.
@@famulanrevengeance3044 well said. sure, in some cases the players can be seen as stupid, but in cases like these it's really the context or how it's presented that can make all the difference.
He says that yet there are so many games out there with spaghetti code that unrelated changes does affect things. Prime example was a Valorant patch that did nothing to hit registration, players sweared that things changed, devs doubled down on players being silly. Week later they apologized and realized they did actually fuck up lmao.
Something similar that was even more "amazing" happened in league of legends. In its early days the champion Vladimir was stupidly strong and everyone was complaining about him so they decided to nerf him , the patch notes come out and they say Vlad was nerfed , his Winrate went down , his pick/ban rate went down , everyone started saying how nice it felt playing against him now (cause Vlad as a champ had an unsuall gameplay patern at the time) etc etc , point is Riot actually forgot to ship the nerfs into the game and they never did so everyone was saying that Vlad had become a shit champion when in actuality it was the same busted giga op champion that it was before.
Look, with systems like EOMM being proudly touted to make players artificially lose games by seeding them into unwinnable matches its no wonder that players are disoriented by changes, they have been gaslighted so many times, thats gonna do something to awareness.
tbf there have been games where changing one thing suddenly made an unrelated thing break, so saying "we didn't even touch it" is like ok, but something might have still broken
This might have been true 20-25 years ago, but it sure as hell isn't today. Every time PUBG or COD does an update, they brick the isht out of the game for a week or two. I remember in warzone, you had to go through a list of ten things to do in Windows in order to get your game to run smoothly. Then they do an update and your game crashes every third match again and now you have to do another list of things to make it stop.
I worked on a company where a guy complained our web system was too slow. So the dev changed the animated gif to rotate faster while whatever was loading. Next day the user was so happy, he came to compliment us.
Reminds me of dota 2. When the new hero Dawnbreaker was first released, people were complaining on how generic and weak her skills were despite being patch for 4-6 times repeatedly. After that, the devs just made her thighs more thick and the complains just stopped
@@ummerfarooq5383 bro how is that related to my comment and 2ndly, if you think bg3 is popular because you can remove clothes, sims would be in top 3 charts all the time
lol im pretty old guy now, i was around when cs started, i use to talk to this guy and other devs on ICQ back in the day and help them test un released content. I remember on one map i think it was cs dock. people complained about the boxes not being high enough and you could shoot over them, over time they raised the boxes and made the larger and larger over time and people still complained about the boxes like nothing ever happened. Then ofc you had the bug where if you duck behind abox and stood up you could then see over it. that was done on purpose if i remember correctly just to piss of the people complaining about the box sizes lol.
classic sound engineer solution „can you please turn my channel up in the mix?“ „Yeah sure“ *touches fader without doing anything* „Oh dude, now it‘s perfect, thanks!“
The sad (funny) thing is that this is currently happening in the CS2 beta. You can join any random server and there will be atleast one person with 0 ping, I shit you not. And ofc the game doesn't feel like a LAN experience but tons of people are talking about how great CS2 feels
When I worked on a Game, we released dummy patches where only the version number was changed.... still people made the funniest bug reports even with comparsion videos to the "previous" version.
Lol he says that but I remember when they fucked up the hitboxes around the original CS 1.3. It was annoying as hell. Also hated when they removed accurate shooting with pistols while jumping. I think that came a little before they messed up the hitboxes. Granted they did fix the hitboxes right before I quit because everything seemed fine in CS Source, and people are playing the hell out of CS:GO.
@@gdgd5194 I do, I just don't blindly believe the BS that comes out of Devs' mouths because I've been doing this for 25+ years. Lol granted he was talking about ping, not actual weird changes they made back in the day.
All jokes aside he clearly did change stuff.. in the earlier beta versions the b hop with the mp5 was insanely beast almost to the point where the m4 was pointless.. one update made the mp5 worthless and began making the b hop a lot more difficult and less potent.. but still the original cs through all of its updates was still epic until they sold out and created csgo.. csgo was the beginning era of micro transactions exploiting money for things that were free to change at will in cs gun skins, player avatars, gun sounds, misc sounds… all for a key to unlock a box for a gun skin
Oh ye... Do you remember when in CSGO your hits won't register and valve said players are just bad than the playerbase proved the hitboxes are fucked up and valve had to fix it in 2 days cuz it turned out player and esport complaints were real? 😂
Yep both sides can be wrong. But if you have the evidence then you are right. It's almost like we should never listen to loud voices who don't have evidence to back their claims.
One of the biggest things that helped me be more competitive in gaming was straight ignoring my ping score honestly, as if simply seeing it high makes you feel like you're at a disadvantage so you play worse.
New maps do make my screen choppy. When they remade Nuke and Dust II, my shitty laptop somehow couldn't take it. It's not the connection, it's the unnecessary graphics. Now, I'm not saying my subpar equipment should be accomodated for. I'm just saying it's true, my game gets laggy when it was doing just fine before.
Players: I'm experiencing lag Developer: no you're not Players:it's right in front of me, I'm looking at the lag right now Developer:no you're not Player: can you fix this? Developer: we'll pretend to
I played cs from 1.5+. You either had 250 ping on dial up, or you were in college on T1 with 30 ping. We used to call them LPB’s (low ping bastards) and they would trash the entire lobby 😂
placebo effect is a thing that's why in ALL clinical trials, you divide into groups where one gets the placebo, the other real treatment so if you are unlucky, you could be in the placebo group
Who tf is lying that Dragonflight is good right now? It's better than the last two expansions that were complete burning garbage. I guess they really calibrated people's expectations and standards that low. (50 less ping than Shadowlands....)
I'm always surprised when people say Legion was good. Maybe for the last Patch, the Rest of it was Garbage like any modern Expansion. Just a bit less than what came before and after.
@@AntonKlermon I only remember grinding, grinding, grinding. I had to fight my Raid Leader for a Raid Spot because I didn't want to grind out two Speccs. In the end he conceded that I play the mechanics well and that was more important than 5% more power in the Artifact Weapon. I eventually left the guild and got the cutting edge achievement for the first raid.
The same thing happened in The Finals where player complains that the movement in the game was slow and sluggish compare to the open beta when in fact they're both the same and it's just the FOV that makes the player feels like they're going slower
They did the same thing in League of Legends recently. They said that they made the ping reading more accurate. It dropped my ping by almost 20ms, I really doubt it was that inaccurate, just placebo effect so the players feel good about it.
That ping "fix" reminds me of something GM dealt with in the 80s with one of their new cars. You know how lots of cars will have the gas gauge point at the "F" mark for quite a while after filling up and then drop quickly? Well, one new model Buick didn't have that; the gauge was extremely accurate. They immediately got loads of complaints about poor fuel economy. Their fix was to reset the way the gauge worked to be inaccurate the way previous ones were. It worked perfectly and complaints stopped. Also the complaints after every fix in general feels really familiar. I work in tech support and I know mechanics are familiar with this as well: No matter what totally unrelated thing I've worked on, if *anything* goes wrong within a few weeks of me having been there I'll get an "ever since you touched it" complaint. Reset a password and a few days later their monitor starts glitching occasionally? "Ever since you messed with my account my display is acting up!"
To be fair to the community, in CSGO there was a huge hitreg issue that was simply caused by the viewmodel being slightly off-center, which is a bit too ridiculous coming from fucking VALVE, the godfathers of first person shooters. Hell, the term "getting CS:GO'd" was born from that. To be fair to the devs, when professional players complained about those hitreg issues, some members of the community still had the nerve to pretty much say "skill issue, git gud" to some of the best players in the world who competed in million-dollar tournaments because "CSGO is perfect in any way".
Most games could probably get away with just changing the tooltips and not changing the actual game at all and players would keep finding non-existent differences and be happy.
Jokes aside, I'm convinced almost all sizeable game devs fakes ping. No matter how bad connection is in multiplayer games the ping is literally always 40-50 nowadays. I've ended up in American lobbies (I'm EU) on CoD, sliding around the map with 2 full seconds for shots to register for the few that does, still 40 ping when it should be 120-250. Is this shit even legal? Because it sure is fkn annoying.
The original irl for ‘the customer is always wrong’ was how people kept complaining how elevators were too slow, so the solution wasn’t to make elevators faster, it’s to put mirrors in them.
Dude basically said: We didnt upgrade our servers although more ppl are playing it and doesnt understand THATS the problem. M8 more ppl on the same server capacity = lags What a selfreport
@@jaroslavjancik349 Yeah, but the caveat is that you had to connect to valve serves to search for dedicated servers, and cs's code for hosting such servers wasn't the best.
This reminded me of a story from the Ottoman period. The Sultan had built a mosque. When he asked the villagers how the mosque was, a grumpy old man said that the minaret was crooked. The sultan came to the man and looked at it from his point of view. The minaret was not crooked at all. But he doesn't say anything to the old man and gathers volunteers and they pull the minaret with a rope. He asks the old man, "Is it fixed now?" The old man says, "Yes, it is now." But the Sultan never thought that the minaret would be fixed with a rope from the very beginning. But sometimes pretending to do something can be more useful than doing nothing.
In my experience everything up to about 180ms is still playable. 125-180 is noticeable but still fine to play on. 200ms+ is unplayable. Talking about STABLE ping though, if it's fluctuating that's worse than a stable 200ms.
It's something you get used to, the latency that is. If you have ~200 latency like back in the modem days you get used to that. However when you drop below 25 that's when things get insane. That's a point where a bad player might actually become decent and a good player become a god. Of course it all depends on what type of game etc but generally speaking if it's a first person shooter the lower latency you have the better. Having anything above 100ms latency just feels janky and laggy compared to under 50.
If you have knowledge of the game and specific loadout and the enemy skill isnt up to yours, you can tough it out. Darius was a high ELO gamer who played in tournaments/still plays LoL (League of Legends). He had many times 150-200 lag when he was playing. However he used to play Singed, a champion that is tanky and not that click intensive, you just need good positioning and knowledge of the game more than anything.
I remember the early days of broadband, my country had no BF2 servers, so I played in an Italian server with 150-180 ms. It was a little rough but playable, I could even snipe decently. But when a UK server with 50-60 ms started to get populated in the afternoon, oh yeah that was awesome.
This exact thing happened to a guy making a PS2 game where the target framerates for the project were not possible so the developer just artificially changed the FPS number by adding a flat value.
I play Keyforge at The Crucible Online and there are so many people who have complained about decks being "stacked", that the shuffling algorithm "isn't random" and that the devs had messed up the code. In truth, the devs just used one of the most readily available third party randomisers out there, and someone even ran simulations of a million deck shuffles and what the house distribution was, and the algorithm was proven to be accurate within less than 0.1% of an expected random distribution. And... people still claimed it wasn't random because of [insert examples of times their opponent had a 5-1 starting hand] or something.
I remember cs 1.6 where I would change a setting which someone on steampowered said would make my game much smoother and after doing the change I played like a god for like 15-20 mins and magically I was bad again.
In a statistic class i took, we learned about the problem with the Shuffle on the first ipod. the shuffle feature was a true simple RNG option on your ipod. You click shuffle, and every new song will be randomly selected, including the very small chance of the song looping. of course, people dont understand this and end up complaining "this shuffle option doesnt shuffle enough, its been looping the same few songs and sometimes it plays the same song twice" not realizing thats how random chaos works, youre not OWED a new song just because you haven't heard it in awhile (you would find this same fallacy among gambling addicts). So Apple then opted for a randomizer but calculates priority for songs that haven't been played in awhile to get higher odds. Then they simplified this by making a pre-made setlist of all your songs but in a random order.
> _"Then they simplified this by making a pre-made setlist of all your songs but in a random order."_ If you "shuffle" a deck, you don't expect to draw the same card twice, much less in a row...
knowing a burger place lost to mcdonalds, because people couldnt figure out the quarter pounders were smaller than the 1/3 pound burgers being offered, this doesnt surprise me at all.
wow the placebo effect in full...effect...here lol. how can you just see better ping numbers and assume theres no lag? generally i just play the game and let that decide wtf is up lol and if my ping says my net is good when its not then im gunna complain about it.
I remember that in dead space they had the game tell you to cut off the enemies limbs 3 seperate times in the span of like 1 minute because the play testers would ignore the game telling them what to do, sounds like a certain streamer I know
@@Ar1AnX1xBold of you assume that he will even know the stories in a sligthest
Wildly accurate
@@Ar1AnX1x The games Asmon decides to play vs what he decides to skip make absolutely no sense. This dude consistently plays a shitty gacha game and throws away money at it instead of playing BG3....
Although to be fair, by release, Dead Space players will eventually get the idea that they HAVE to shoot the wildly slashing limbs of the Necromorphs or they'll get annihilated in seconds. It is THAT clear.
Oh, who am I kidding? Some gamers are DSP levels of brainpower.
@@Ar1AnX1x Eh seeing how he played the RE 2 remake he'd probably be bored by it tbh. He doesn't seem to care much about the horror aspect much
Asmongold: "Bro, I just like the fact that I do a lot of damage."
Devs: "Increase the damage displayed by a thousand, but don't let it have an actual affect on the boss."
That's already in the game, it's called scaling
@@razz5841 This. One of the many reasons I stopped playing modern WoW.
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Why do you think Yu Gi Oh life points are in the thousands? They don't use tens or units, just thousands and hundreds.
The bigger the number on screen the bigger the dopamine rush.
This reminds me of this airport who got extreme amounts of complaints that people had to wait absolute ages for their baggage. Like people were actually raaaging. So they built a corridor around the entire perimeter of the building, so that people would have to walk 15 minutes to get to the baggage area and then only wait 5-10 mins. Complaints dropped by like 80%.. Humans are weird.
walking is more relaxing than standing. installing the longer walk in effect was entertainment. i don't see what's strange about it. would you prefer to have a fidget spinner when waiting around for five minutes, or nothing?
@@Khunark I know, but time spent was the same in the end, so one would expect to get at least a measurable amount of complaints from people that they had to walk for ages to get to the baggage claim, but they got practically none. It's still quite an interesting psychological observation.
@@melanp4698 yeah but its not like they had the old time to compare to? its an airport, if you gotta walk you gotta walk, why complain about walking.
if a mcdonalds is 5 minute walking distance from my house, and then it shuts down and I have to now walk 25 minutes to get to the new Mcdonalds, im not about to sit and cry or go complain to them for moving locations, but I'd for sure complain if i had to wait... 10 minutes at the first mcdonalds. I'd say a big factor is that the location seems unfixable, but the speed they get stuff done in is fixable (most of the time)
@@mysticflow467 That's not really a comparable situation though.
Walking 20 minutes to McD and waiting 2 minutes for food or walking 2 minutes to McD and waiting 20 minutes for food would be more correct.
I prefer walking to standing as well (so do many people), the point is that it's a psychological solution. The airport had to spend several millions creating something that had no practical value, only to raise customer satisfaction.
@@melanp4698 ye definitely an interesting situation, but im just saying its not like complaining about how far away the bags are is as viable as complaining about how long you had to wait. unless you already knew that the bags used to be 15 minutes closer
Reminds me of in Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory where people were complaining that that the Allies SMG was way stronger than the Axis SMG. But the weapons were exactly the same numerically. The devs figured out that the Thompson just had bassier audio than the MP40, so players felt like it was better. They just brought down the bass and that "fixed" it. The idea that the Thompson was better was so ingrained, that players actually statistically did worse with the MP40 just because they thought it was weaker.
I remember this xD.. meanwhile i hated the thompson sound so i always picked up the mp40 xD.
similiar thing happened in LoL. devs released patch notes saying they nerfed a champion. they actually forgot to nerf him, but his win rate fell hard anyway
The magic of morale.
God you just took me down memory lane I hate that I remember this
To be fair the Thompson sounded amazing.
Reminds me of a developer commentary that I listened to for "Half-Life 2: Episode Two", where they were talking about the development process for a puzzle in the game involving an elevator in order to make it function. Initially, the puzzle was somewhat complicated, involving the player having to find multiple components in multiple locations within the area, then assembling them in a particular order; problem was, many of their playtesters were getting stuck on the segment because for them it was too complicated.
One of the playtesters, and I shit you not, ended up drowning in a puddle maybe a foot deep trying to figure out how to solve the puzzle.
The only way to refine the segment to the point that a reasonable number of testers could solve the puzzle in a reasonable amount of time was to grossly oversimplify the puzzle to the point that all the player now has to do is find ONE component, just mash it onto a very obvious component slot, then pull a lever.
If you purchase "The Orange Box" it has that game and several others, all with developer commentaries you can listen to; the way they speak it, their play tester team was either a bunch of very competent monkeys, or people who spent a large part of their developmental years eating lead paint chips and headbutting brick walls.
yep, people dont like taking their time in games anymore which is weird if you think about it. why do so many people wanna rush through and beat a game so quickly? theres nothing to do once you hit the end game so again why rush things? take time, look around, explore ffs. this is prob another reason why so many devs dont try anymore. gamers dont appreciate the small details they put in the games so they just stopped doing it. people also just want games to play themselves and again its like, just go watch a movie then dude wtf are you doing here in the gaming section of life? lol
@@Parasitevebecause they aren't kids anymore
@morewi surely you'd think kids should have a shorter attention span than adults, so it should be the opposite no?
Or do you mean because adults have less free time? Well you could still theoretically just play and enjoy the same game for a longer time, just with shorter sessions.
I don't think it's anything to do with people growing up. I think games are just getting less content
@@dahui58 adults older than 22/23 don't have as much time due to actual responsibilities and the majority of players these days are agreed 25 to 40.
@@morewi yeah but like I said you can still play a longer game, it just takes more sessions since the sessions aren't as long. I don't think that's the only reason.
It's probably also because of the publishers being incentivised to produce smaller games because it costs them less, and they can sell more games and DLC quicker, because players get through the game in less than 20 hours
in the corporate world, we had users who just absolutely had to find something to complain about in demos, no matter how obscure. So we would actually modify the code before the demo to put in a visual glitch... an icon that wasn't aligned properly or something like that. Then they would point that out, we'd say, "oh, good catch" and then they would be happy that they found a "bug" and then shut up for the rest of the demo
Bugfixers when you actually find a bug
Dude, THIS IS ACTUALLY GENIUS !!!
Haha, that's the oldest trick in the book. I remember reading that the architect of Louis the fourteenth would deliberately add one flaw to his design before showing it to the king so that the King could point it out and satisfy his ego.
Damn
Damn
In no man’s sky, the planets used to orbit and rotate on an axis. Players thought it was a bug.
That's an 'urban legend'.
Orbit? Planets are FLAT !
this at least sounds legit confusing and rare to find in other games... in "monster hunter rise" there is armor skill that drains your hp over time for increased damage and i have seen like 3-5 posts on reddit asking why their HP is going down as soon as they will find the monster "they have tried everything" and they most of the time ask if their game is bugged xd
armor skills in that game play a big role so its not like its hidden from players or something... u just need to read what the fk are you putting on your character thats all... its like 1-3 small lines of text. its not like POE or league skill descriptions + that skill appears rather late in game so u need to spend like 10-20h first to even get it
@@Zamoxinooh hello fellow hunter 😂 not as bad as back then people didn't know armor skills need 10 points to activate in older MH games tho
@@Zamoxino Imagine how badly modern Monster Hunter players would complain if Capcom brought back Negative Skills for gen 6.
In Half Life, there’s a section where you make your wave through a small cave-like opening. Inside, there’s two paths, one of which is blocked off. In playtesting, both paths were open, with one leading to the next room and the other being a short loop back to where you started. Valve decided to seal off the looping option after a playtester walked in circles for a reported 7 hours and complained that the game was too poorly signposted.
7 hours? Man, meaby it would just be better if a meteor hit us and made us go extinct.
That guy was definitely on drugs. They 100% put an ad on craigslist for a play tester who does dmt casually
Console peasant no doubt
This is a legit complaint. If you can't tell you looped back, it means the place you looped back to was not memorable enough.
Ironically this happened to me when I played Episode 2. Of course, difference is that I realized I was going in circles after a couple of times.
I still don't really understand how that happened, either. Didn't happen the second time I played it.
how do we fix this thing that isnt broken
"just fuck'in lie to them about fixing"
fucking worked like a charm
Actually.. the broken thing was the players' perception. An they fixed it, by tweaking the way they were informed throught. It's all fine xd
Placebo is a powerful thing. It's actually estimated that the effect on common drugs is 50% placebo (or imaginative).
@@Skumtomten1 yeah best part is it’s less work
For any serious thought into this:
It only works if the problem was actually something else that you happened to 'fix', and there's another problem that isn't addressed: regressive feedback.
(*)For all video game problems complained about on the internet, it's mostly anonymous. It's very easy to say "players are unhappy" but WHICH players? If you change something, and "players are unhappy" how do you know if the previous group is now satisfied and it's a new group of players speaking? It's actually not that hard to actually do this, but a lot of people don't even check.
For the false ping, it probably worked because of a combination of the two:
- Ping wasn't the huge factor in satisfaction vs performance, if players couldn't confidently blame "the game" then they could only blame themselves for just not being good enough, which is usually far less frustrating.
- (*)People who didn't notice a change at all would still be complaining, no patch ever goes with 100% approval with thousands or millions of players.
Also, this was a long time ago. There are a lot of recent examples in 2024 where just "lying" doesn't work at all, but instead backfires. An easy one is Helldivers 2 armor bug where it just wasn't working.
They said they fixed it - it wasn't - and the sentiment got even worse overall.
However, the point of this comment is the (*) marked sections: devs should seriously invest some time into creating a simple system that actually tracks feedback, because a dumbass's feedback is only useful in finding out what a dumbass might spew at any given moment.
He who sows lies, in the end, does not lack for harvest.
This happened a few years ago in League with a Vlad nerf. They had it in the patch notes but forgot to ship it in the actual live build and players went "UGH, UNPLAYABLE NOW, TRASH, etc" and then they said that they forgot to ship the change and were surprised by players' reactions. The players got real quiet for about a day, then went back at it.
Players are dumb as FUCK and just love any outlet for their life frustrations that they can get.
Didn't that *actually* lower Vlad's win rate? Just because of the impression he was nerfed? (Despite no actual changes)
@@malcovich_gamesyes why do u think they dont listen to most people when it comes to balance.
Lmao that's hilarious. Imagine they go in on the first game and die one time then rage quit saying it's unplayable.
@@malcovich_gamesHaha, yep! I was surprised that I was surprised by it, but like damn. That's some serious player stupidity right there.
not just player, MOST people are stupid
This guy is a true OG of gaming. He created one of if not the most played games in history.
it's a half-life mod...
@@Antonin1738 and your point fuckin' is?
@@gleipnirrrit’s a half-life mod…
@InternalxHDit’s a half-life mod…
@InternalxHDit's a half-life mod...
This is actually very known and even scientifically studied! For example in one study i've seen they gave pieces of exactly same cloth to subjects and asked them to count differences they could find while ofc claiming they were different. If i remember right it was over 90% of subjects who instanty began counting differences like colour, texture, thickness etc which wasn't there. Only a small minority of subjects could see they were exactly same..
im autistic (huge shock considering i watch asmon right) and i wanna see them do this test on autists whose sensory processing disorder is as fucked up as mine is and then see the results lol
@@lethaldream50 (huge shock considering i watch asmon right) OMG ur the best 🤣
@@andyb9664 better yet, variable science experiment: have all the fabrics in the study be asmons shirts.
also i ngl i and some other neurodivergent people do the same thing asmon does where i pick one type of shirt i like and then buy 10 copies of that shirt (ok im not sure asmon owns as many as 10 copies of The Shirt) and then only wear that shirt on rotation BUT i can tell which have been washed once vs which are never worn vs which have been washed the most because over time, fabric texture degrades/
depends, autism is a spectrum. some kids are more audio sensitive, while others are more physical
Placebo effect. Which is why we have blank samples.
Alright let's not act like there aren't dev teams that accidentally break stuff every time they update a game *cough cough Diablo 4 cough cough*
D4/10.
Microsoft
Rainbow Six Siege
Riot.
MODERN WARFARE
Same thing happened with God of War Ragnarok. The devs got tons of complaints from the public and their playtesters that the puzzles were "too hard" and "took too long" to solve. That is why Altreus gives you the answer in like a minute or so because that was the average attention span the developers found that playtesters/streamers had.
I can believe streamers but come on it can't be that many gamers
@@dean_l33you'd be surprised what a decade or more of games that just spoon feed content will do to a person's brain in terms of problem solving and task managing.
It's why games that don't hold your hand like the soulsborne series or baldurs gate 3 are so appreciated. Sometimes lessons just gotta be learned on their own and they're more satisfying that way.
I have yet to play ragnarok, can you disable the hints on puzzles?
Casuals should be banned from giving feedback and demanding change in games
@@trevorveillette8415, BG3 is a bad example. It's hold your hand and show you path. You literally cannot stuck in main quest line.
reminds me of a story of a linemen for a power company or internet company, they were installing 5g to a small town and the people started complaining of headaches and a few other things, the linemen says "you guys dont know we havent turned it on yet"
Placebo OP
People do that shit with MSG too. They're fine until you mention it. Then it's instant headaches and nausea and whatever. Dumbasses.
bad example, those 5gs you dont know when they turn them on or not
@@thfrussia6717uhh we actually do unless you buy in this deep state bs
(Turn on 5G reception AND/OR check the telecoms regulation data giving you the full data about a given tower or station capabilities)
@@thfrussia6717it's not supposed to work if they don't give it electricity or something though
Reminds of the Darkest Dungeon incident. The devs changed the game strategy drastically by adding a new mechanic (corpses), which the majority of players were against. They got insane amount of negative feedback but they were like "Nah this is necessary for the game's health, this is staying." After enough complaints they added an option in the menu to disable this new mechanic. Then they tracked how many people played the game with that setting disabled, it was an incredibly small amount of players. Something like 99% played with the new mechanic on.
Not exactly an accurate representative of how many players actually didn't want it. I am one of those players that play games they way devs intended especially if it adds more difficulty to the game. So I would be one of those players complaining but still keep it on anyway. Or I'd just stop playing the game instead of turning it off, better option for me. And then there's the thing known as people can't bother to read jack shit and ignore everything, AKA went and sent complaint, and then never found out that there's an option to turn off that new mechanic. That statistic would look drastically different if the default option was no corpses, but you have option to turn them on.
@@spugelo359 If the players had SUCH a problem with it, they could have found it in the settings. It shows that no one actually cared that much.
steam counts you as having played a game if you own it and got like 2 hrs or 1 achievement for it, also this feature happened during early access IIRC which is when feedback is supposed to be valued and responded to by devs. but the proportion of players playing EA and therefore aware of the change is a skewed sample bias. even if i hadnt been in EA, i am that OCD player who the first thing i do is i open a games options menu / settings and go through every single options menu seeing what it is and if i wanna change it or not, gameplay related or not. how many games players or buyers do that...yea basically none.
sry for being autistic (i actually am, so not SORRY sorry lol) just pointing out i think this example's nebulous. ~altho my opinion as an autist is that players who do not check options settings before they commit to a ??? hr save file are dumb but i dont tell my friends who are smarter than me and better at games than me anyway this lmao~
@@lethaldream50 At this point, what the hell are you even talking about?
@@rainycake i was going to be snarky but i havent been able to sleep for 3 days so at this point im not editing or checking what i write for clarity ...so i went to your youtube channel and checked out your last video posted and since you have a hot accent and wrote a long and genuinely nice thank you note to your subscribers which seemed heartfelt, that like my comment, no one is obliged to read and probably won't, i don't want to snark.
if you want i can edit my post to BE clear but i didnt get the vibe you asked me that in good faith or expecting a reply tho
It's like that one game where the testers kept saying the shotgun was too powerful and broken but it turned out it was just too fun because the sound was too punchy so they just turned the sound down and it became more balanced
I wish CS2 had better gun sounds. I legitimately play better in games with beefy gun sounds.
@@Skrenja i wish cs2 was better and less laggy in general.
Ah. Yes. The critica about shotguns. Man I killed a person face to face in videogames and he was crying because I use a shortrange weapon.
@@ElCidCampeador1994i use shotguns to dab on SMG abusers
@@roxydzey*time to inflate fps counts*
I wish he'd kept the "negative ping" bit, that was so funny
I actually remember having a negative ping once in counter strikes, and deducing something in the line “wow my connection must be quite fast to end up negative!”
@@thirien59 It was so fast that you were traveling back in time.
As a software developer - FUCK YES. People were complaining about "changes" that were not made even if IT dept boss who owned the project made workshops and explained every single line in the changelog :D:D
"I just like the fact that I do a lot of damage" and the freakin editors fades in the fake latency screen. XD What legends.
There is also an infamous patch in league of legends were they were going to buff a character named Vladimir because he had 47% winrate and according to the playerbase it was the worst champion and needed serious buffs. Patch notes were released with all the "buffs" and everybody started using that champ making it reach 51% winrate. A few weeks later Riot announced that the buffs for Vladimir were never actually applied to the game.
So basically people got better playing the champion with just a placebo patch. Why did the champion got 47% winrate? Because good players avoided using it based on overall playerbase stats. Once good players started picking him again and getting good with him its winrate stabilized.
In just a few wordst the whole Vladimir incident could be resumed as; the character didnt need any buffs but the playerbase needed to learn how to play it before asking for buffs.
From that day RIOT only surveys champion feedback with the top 1% of players. Yup, they do survey, but casual/bad players dont get to vote because they are bad at the game.
DotA2 only do their patch base on pro game. They don’t patch the game around bad plays.
I always get confused as to why people complain about games being balanced around the best players. Like it literally makes sense, THEY ARE THE BEST.
@@Curiouzity_Omega because changes can have highly different impacts on different elos. and sometimes changes for high elo arent impacting the lower elos at all (atleast when accounting for what they actually wanted to nerf).
like when shroud got nerfed because in the hightest echelions of lol yone was a niche abuser of it. thats irrelevant for like 99,99x of the entire playerbase.
mundo is completely average in my elo for example but an ungodly low elo stomper.
bro almost hit 55% winrate in iron/bronze/silver at some point and even now still well above 53% with bruisers getting good item buffs.
that on the other hand is impacting more than 55% of the whole playerbase.
its often times kinda tricky to balance around both groups and for some champs (in lol anyways) simply impossible but you kinda have to do both to some extend. and i mean riot does lol.
in the end the 99% of players are paying the big benjamins and if they are unhappy with your product and wont engage with it anymore you lose money.
@@Curiouzity_Omega No, they are the best at certain things. Ask pro players to play against a team of off-meta OTPs and they'll likely have a hard time.
Dude really using Riot as a example of balance, especially given their track record of (or lack of) balancing certain champions based on popularity and skins releases.
And people wonder why bosses have obnoxious flashing obvious weak points...
@@TheWashableBomb Interesting. I remember plenty of NES or Atari 2600 games that had enemies with flashing weak points. When was this time you speak of?
@@MyNameIsBucketVietnam
@@TheWashableBomb Yea, having those flashing weak points can look annoying, but still better than never letting the player know that there are weak points in the first place. You'd see players spend hours trying to figure out why sometimes they did decent damage and rest of the time the damage was complete garbage lol. No flashing or obvious weak points is fine too as long as it follows a logic. In most games aiming for the head is quite obvious since we're all used to it. But when your enemy doesn't even have a head... wtf are you supposed to aim at? It's fine too if the game tells you, or gives you hints... ANYTHING.
FromSoft be like : yeah we don't do that here
i noticed alot of games its laggy keeps forcing ping to show 52 ms for the entire game just so players dont complain about servers
I created a Tibia server back in the day and people kept complaining about the damage formula. Even if I showned them the actual code and explained the calculation and then the wiki on how it is suppose to be for that type of server (7.4) they still complained because on X server it was different, and yes X server was different because they didn't use the correct formula that they claimed to have wanted.
I ended up changing it completely and players were happy that now it works "as intended"...
DAMN. Scrolling and reading all these comments for 20 minutes and just stumbled upon this. I never thought I'd see ANYONE mention Tibia. Long live Tibia. Haha
@@simuntigmo6220 Tibia is eternal MMO, even now people still play it.
@@masterchiff6784 I agree! Still do and forever will :)
Oh man, the memories, I remember having a Tibia private server as well, this was easily 20 years ago.
@@elmeme88 It was nice, I am currently working on a new game that will be very similar to what Tibia was, but an own game not an OT server
one time I joined a CS server and had super low ping and I pulled out deagles and started headshotting everyone like a madman I was popping off I had never ever EVER had that kind of luck before I was SO HAPPY to have found that server where I can finally play with low ping.
the server admin banned me for cheating :(
Sounds like a compliment
Back in the day CS server admins were mongrels. Their fun gets ruined your fun gets ruined.
Started running my own server from home as a teenager, found myself doing the same thing.
Teleporting people around the map and setting them on fire was not a good way of keeping returning users.
So pretty much most private servers were trying to do was keep their core userbase that played over those that just showed up out of the blue and started dominating.
TBH thinking back on that, it sort of worked as a skill diffuser but wasn't ideal when you didn't have enough players over multiple skill tiers, and also with lower skill levels would basically be confined to making their own bot servers.
happened to me before too. i got like 3 headshots in a row, just lucky, and i get called a cheater and get banned. having the ability to ban people is both a good and bad thing. its good to get rid of actually bad people, like mean people but too many people abuse its power and just get rid of players who are better than they are instead of, ya know, just gittin gud.
That happened to me in CS and BF3 back in the day. Server admins get jealous when you're better than them
its cs. if its not ranked people will always kick/ban you if you are much better
To be perfectly honest... I have seen this kind of stuff actually happen.
Patch drops in, changes things completely unrelated to net code, yet somehow it affected the ping or game's performance.
I've seen things like localisation patches breaking the games, so it really does not surprise me in the slightest.
That's what's called spaghetti code, unrelated changes affecting other parts of the program because it's poorly designed. Happens a lot and is the reason why I'm scared of people putting computers on everything and conecting them to the internet, software is unrealiable as fuck.
Downloading the update/patch will slow down your internet connection because the internet company slows it down the more you download they are about making money after all
@@basillah7650no it doesn't
i remember how riot games changed donation currency icon and that broke hero search
sure, but i’ve seen way more stupid players…
yeah, it's like how people were saying to use console commands like cl interp ratio in cs2 for better experience, and then the patch note comes out saying "removing old cs go commands that had no effect on the game"
QA tester here. In my experience when a developer says they didn't change anything when something is breaking, they either don't have a clue or they are straight shifting blame.
Hundreds of times I've seen developers say, "this defect is not reproducing for me/us, you must have made a mistake", close the defect, only to see it again as a different defect report because end users are reporting it.
Yeah, whenever I hear about devs not taking accountability, I just see it as pride talking. Sometimes, you fuck up.
Game dev here. It's true
While this is 100% true, the performance complaints by customers Ive seen are largely trash and had nothing to do with the actual software.
@@epicadventureturtle1363 Also true, especially if you work with android. There are a lot of devices with horrible hardware and poor OpenGL/Vulkan implementations
I work as a QA too and also get those kinds of responses frequently.
I've found reading the underlying code and instrumentation
myself helps a lot- sometimes when you dig into it the cause is obvious and Devs are much more likely to fix it if you can tell them exactly whats wrong and why. If they have no idea it tends to sit on the backlog and not be addressed for some time.
Lol hes right. I used to work in a tattoo parlor. Made the designs. I knew a design is good, customer complained and wanted changes that would make it worse. Send em home told them to come back tomorrow and ill change it. Changed nothing. Outcome: wow thats much better im glad i told you!
😂
Human psychology is so fascinating lol
The guy discovered Placebo
Great band. 🤘
@@ASpyNamedJames not sure if joke but its an effect
something that isnt the case can actually feel like it, if you simply believe enough in it
Honestly, Asmon is very very easy to please in the short term. Give him a game where the combat is easy because the character is strong. Make the character look cool as shit while he's strong. Don't care if the game is long or if the balance is fucked, just make it so that he feels like an OP main character and he'll 10/10 your game lol.
and he's right, that's what good games are. nobody cares about challenge or whatever besides 0.1% of the playerbase
@@Gyohdonoh yea then why people enjoy csgo so much? Or ds? Or chess? Go play candy crush low iq bozo
@@Gyohdon no
@@martonpap4536 yes
@@Gyohdonshit take dude
I wish modern devs were at least this receptive to feedback, at least he reads the complaints. So many devs seem to ignore major issues or straight up say “Nuh uh!” Despite video evidence of bugs nowadays.
I feel like this clip shows why so many *don't*. Because a significant and very vocal part of the playerbase are complete retards who have no clue what they're talking about and you will actively ruin your game by listening to them.
It’s damned if you do, damned if you don’t problem though for some.
Devs start to ignore the complaints because 99% of the complaints are not legitimate.
Nah devs listening to players ruins games. Maybe 1% of player complaints would improve the game if you addressed them, the rest would make it worse. If you could just listen to players and do what they ask, we'd have millions of 10/10 games
The thing is, if the bug is not or hardly reproducible, there's not much you can do about it. People have no idea the level of complexity that goes in modern video games : in software when any system gets to big, you end up losing control of what the hell is going on.
I don't work in video games but I imagine if you tell a dev that his changes created a bug for something else that's controlled by unrelated code he's never seen, and he realises the problem cannot be found without going through the entire 100k lines codebase... Well he's just gonna ignore your complaints.
Also I suppose sometimes you have bugs that were there before, but they show up randomly, so you wrongly think it comes from the new release when you see thoses for the first time, but maybe it comes from the player/tester playing in a different way for whatever reason.
I think both can be true the devs did not change anything when it comes to lag but when you put out a new version a lot of people will come to see the changes making the servers run slow because they are full.
or the new version might enhance the problem that was there from the beginning, however the old version didnt really show it.
Or they could be trying to run this new game on shitty outdated servers. Which happens very frequently.
Also to this day many people don't understand that the reason guns are sideways in Cs 1.6 and Source is because minh lee was left handed
Thank god Icefrog never revealed himself. Bro got uncountable death threats since the beginning of his journey as Dota master mind
I am always glad that IceFrog never change on how willing they are to put out bullshit changes and stick with it, and also the players learn to accept them and adapt.
I mean we still complain and some changes are dogshit but you know what I am saying.
His name is Abdul Ismail and he 39 y.o.
@@RobouteGuilliman972 We have enough good will to pretend we don't know that lol
@@beefystu559the only time icefrog really fucked up is when they added non-intuitive "fire element damage" and it got removed within a week😂
free game no bitching
@@aiaoi5048 I whine more over Morphling and Naga tbh. I can accept any bullshits just not from those two.
The editors are slowly overthrowing Asmon
as dev myself i can confirm. you can even say you made an update without changing the file and they fine something.
In Wolfenstein Enemy Territory Thompson's sound effect sounded way more satisfying than the MP40's and the stats showed that people got more kills and headshots with the Thompson eventhough the stats of the guns were identical, so the devs nerfed the Thompson's sound to be weaker. And the Thompson's data of kills/hits got more equal with the MP40 xdd. Sometimes its just a stupid mental thing the players have like having a artificially lower latency makes u think the game is less laggier even if u actually have 100ping.
League of Legends did this a few years ago as well. They did a minus 10 ping and has been that way ever since.
Damn didnt know that, next time i'll play i will blame ping 👍
explains why i had 4ms today
And one time the unpaid intern forgot to plug in the cable so EU servers roasted so hard they had to split the region
Yeah too bad they have 1 server in NA and my games vary from 23 ping up to 60 ping.
@@blapblapblapblapanything below 120ms is good
reminds me of a story i heard about WoW. they would give players a xp gain debuff when they were online too long, and people complained, so they just changed it so that regular xp gain was a "bonus xp gain" buff and the debuffed gain was the "regular" xp gain. nothing else changed, they still had reduced xp gain, and the players loved it.
This is called good game design. It's not ''omfg players are so stupid!!!'' if it feels good, it feels good and that means it's more fun.
Sure, you can eat fucking cold sludge food and vitamin pills and survive that way. But it feels better to eat a nice hot dinner instead. You're not stupid for preferring the more comfortable food that feels better to eat.
@@famulanrevengeance3044 well said. sure, in some cases the players can be seen as stupid, but in cases like these it's really the context or how it's presented that can make all the difference.
He says that yet there are so many games out there with spaghetti code that unrelated changes does affect things. Prime example was a Valorant patch that did nothing to hit registration, players sweared that things changed, devs doubled down on players being silly. Week later they apologized and realized they did actually fuck up lmao.
Minh Le helped me to become a game developer and in turn, 2 decades later, I helped him with some unreal engine stuff. Solid guy.
Something similar that was even more "amazing" happened in league of legends. In its early days the champion Vladimir was stupidly strong and everyone was complaining about him so they decided to nerf him , the patch notes come out and they say Vlad was nerfed , his Winrate went down , his pick/ban rate went down , everyone started saying how nice it felt playing against him now (cause Vlad as a champ had an unsuall gameplay patern at the time) etc etc , point is Riot actually forgot to ship the nerfs into the game and they never did so everyone was saying that Vlad had become a shit champion when in actuality it was the same busted giga op champion that it was before.
Look, with systems like EOMM being proudly touted to make players artificially lose games by seeding them into unwinnable matches its no wonder that players are disoriented by changes, they have been gaslighted so many times, thats gonna do something to awareness.
Riot Games artificially injecting the single celled monkey into my ranked games to make me lose 5 times in a row
tbf there have been games where changing one thing suddenly made an unrelated thing break, so saying "we didn't even touch it" is like ok, but something might have still broken
The guy speaks like a true gamer, respect.
This might have been true 20-25 years ago, but it sure as hell isn't today. Every time PUBG or COD does an update, they brick the isht out of the game for a week or two. I remember in warzone, you had to go through a list of ten things to do in Windows in order to get your game to run smoothly. Then they do an update and your game crashes every third match again and now you have to do another list of things to make it stop.
That’s only for pc players, cuz pc games need pagan rituals to work right and can’t just function out of the box like console
@@looinrims Lol. Lmao, even.
I worked on a company where a guy complained our web system was too slow. So the dev changed the animated gif to rotate faster while whatever was loading. Next day the user was so happy, he came to compliment us.
Players: "omg what did you do? My ping is -50"
That's genius. Like weaponizing the placebo effect to get rid of a dumb complaint lol
That's how I feel about cirts sometimes. I see these big numbers but the mob's health bar doesn't seem to move.
Reminds me of dota 2. When the new hero Dawnbreaker was first released, people were complaining on how generic and weak her skills were despite being patch for 4-6 times repeatedly. After that, the devs just made her thighs more thick and the complains just stopped
And that's why bg3 (pornographic game) is being touted by some of its fans as goty. Even though its a shit 2d bug filled crap
@@ummerfarooq5383 bro how is that related to my comment and 2ndly, if you think bg3 is popular because you can remove clothes, sims would be in top 3 charts all the time
lol im pretty old guy now, i was around when cs started, i use to talk to this guy and other devs on ICQ back in the day and help them test un released content. I remember on one map i think it was cs dock. people complained about the boxes not being high enough and you could shoot over them, over time they raised the boxes and made the larger and larger over time and people still complained about the boxes like nothing ever happened. Then ofc you had the bug where if you duck behind abox and stood up you could then see over it. that was done on purpose if i remember correctly just to piss of the people complaining about the box sizes lol.
classic sound engineer solution
„can you please turn my channel up in the mix?“
„Yeah sure“
*touches fader without doing anything*
„Oh dude, now it‘s perfect, thanks!“
"We dont have bugs in this game because I dont remember putting bugs in the code"
The sad (funny) thing is that this is currently happening in the CS2 beta. You can join any random server and there will be atleast one person with 0 ping, I shit you not. And ofc the game doesn't feel like a LAN experience but tons of people are talking about how great CS2 feels
When I worked on a Game, we released dummy patches where only the version number was changed.... still people made the funniest bug reports even with comparsion videos to the "previous" version.
This reminds of me of the guy who complained that some images were poorly done cgi, but they were actual pictures of Mars.
This guy! They DID do this! I remember playing Cs source so confused why I had 0 ping when I wasn't the server host!! 😂😂😂
That's kind of a misstep on their part since 0 is not probable. They should've added a minimum at least.
@@Lexyvil Good point!
Just because you didnt mess with the netcode doesnt mean your spaghetti code isnt acting up
bro's leaking every companions secret, what a mad lad
Lol he says that but I remember when they fucked up the hitboxes around the original CS 1.3. It was annoying as hell. Also hated when they removed accurate shooting with pistols while jumping. I think that came a little before they messed up the hitboxes. Granted they did fix the hitboxes right before I quit because everything seemed fine in CS Source, and people are playing the hell out of CS:GO.
You don't understand even if you are told directly, do you.
@@gdgd5194 I do, I just don't blindly believe the BS that comes out of Devs' mouths because I've been doing this for 25+ years. Lol granted he was talking about ping, not actual weird changes they made back in the day.
I KNEW IT! Ping times in CS never matched my real pin just to the access point in Frankfurt.
this explains why if you type "status" in console, your ping is shown much higher still today
All jokes aside he clearly did change stuff.. in the earlier beta versions the b hop with the mp5 was insanely beast almost to the point where the m4 was pointless.. one update made the mp5 worthless and began making the b hop a lot more difficult and less potent.. but still the original cs through all of its updates was still epic until they sold out and created csgo.. csgo was the beginning era of micro transactions exploiting money for things that were free to change at will in cs gun skins, player avatars, gun sounds, misc sounds… all for a key to unlock a box for a gun skin
It's simply the Homer Simpson's car effect, it starts well but then you start adding, and adding, and adding...
Oh ye... Do you remember when in CSGO your hits won't register and valve said players are just bad than the playerbase proved the hitboxes are fucked up and valve had to fix it in 2 days cuz it turned out player and esport complaints were real? 😂
Yep both sides can be wrong. But if you have the evidence then you are right. It's almost like we should never listen to loud voices who don't have evidence to back their claims.
I expected the guy to say "we released a new version that was completely unchanged" but this is actually better lol
This is the best edit out of the lot if you ask me. Hysterical.
One of the biggest things that helped me be more competitive in gaming was straight ignoring my ping score honestly, as if simply seeing it high makes you feel like you're at a disadvantage so you play worse.
New maps do make my screen choppy. When they remade Nuke and Dust II, my shitty laptop somehow couldn't take it. It's not the connection, it's the unnecessary graphics.
Now, I'm not saying my subpar equipment should be accomodated for. I'm just saying it's true, my game gets laggy when it was doing just fine before.
Players: I'm experiencing lag
Developer: no you're not
Players:it's right in front of me, I'm looking at the lag right now
Developer:no you're not
Player: can you fix this?
Developer: we'll pretend to
Well everything will feel so much sluggish and lagging if you are losing, doesn't matter what game you playing and how fast your internet is 😂
which explains why watching DSP lose at SF6 is so enjoyable
0:39 “subtract by negative 50”
i deadass thought for a second he actually +50 peoples pings to annoy them even more lol
I played cs from 1.5+. You either had 250 ping on dial up, or you were in college on T1 with 30 ping. We used to call them LPB’s (low ping bastards) and they would trash the entire lobby 😂
I used to lag so hard on dial up, if I rushed and died fast enough, I could change teams and respawn.
placebo effect is a thing
that's why in ALL clinical trials, you divide into groups where one gets the placebo, the other real treatment
so if you are unlucky, you could be in the placebo group
Who tf is lying that Dragonflight is good right now? It's better than the last two expansions that were complete burning garbage. I guess they really calibrated people's expectations and standards that low.
(50 less ping than Shadowlands....)
I'm always surprised when people say Legion was good.
Maybe for the last Patch, the Rest of it was Garbage like any modern Expansion. Just a bit less than what came before and after.
@@alexander1055legion was cool at the beginning. You unlock your legendary weapon, new skills, animations.
@@AntonKlermon I only remember grinding, grinding, grinding.
I had to fight my Raid Leader for a Raid Spot because I didn't want to grind out two Speccs.
In the end he conceded that I play the mechanics well and that was more important than 5% more power in the Artifact Weapon.
I eventually left the guild and got the cutting edge achievement for the first raid.
I believe him. Because no matter what? People will complain and hate a game. No matter how good or bad the state of the game is, people will complain
I was more of a Half Life 2 Deathmatch player back in 2006.
Lit
The same thing happened in The Finals where player complains that the movement in the game was slow and sluggish compare to the open beta when in fact they're both the same and it's just the FOV that makes the player feels like they're going slower
They did the same thing in League of Legends recently. They said that they made the ping reading more accurate. It dropped my ping by almost 20ms, I really doubt it was that inaccurate, just placebo effect so the players feel good about it.
That ping "fix" reminds me of something GM dealt with in the 80s with one of their new cars. You know how lots of cars will have the gas gauge point at the "F" mark for quite a while after filling up and then drop quickly? Well, one new model Buick didn't have that; the gauge was extremely accurate. They immediately got loads of complaints about poor fuel economy. Their fix was to reset the way the gauge worked to be inaccurate the way previous ones were. It worked perfectly and complaints stopped.
Also the complaints after every fix in general feels really familiar. I work in tech support and I know mechanics are familiar with this as well: No matter what totally unrelated thing I've worked on, if *anything* goes wrong within a few weeks of me having been there I'll get an "ever since you touched it" complaint. Reset a password and a few days later their monitor starts glitching occasionally? "Ever since you messed with my account my display is acting up!"
To be fair to the community, in CSGO there was a huge hitreg issue that was simply caused by the viewmodel being slightly off-center, which is a bit too ridiculous coming from fucking VALVE, the godfathers of first person shooters. Hell, the term "getting CS:GO'd" was born from that.
To be fair to the devs, when professional players complained about those hitreg issues, some members of the community still had the nerve to pretty much say "skill issue, git gud" to some of the best players in the world who competed in million-dollar tournaments because "CSGO is perfect in any way".
"the godfathers of first person shooters" lul
Most games could probably get away with just changing the tooltips and not changing the actual game at all and players would keep finding non-existent differences and be happy.
Jokes aside, I'm convinced almost all sizeable game devs fakes ping. No matter how bad connection is in multiplayer games the ping is literally always 40-50 nowadays.
I've ended up in American lobbies (I'm EU) on CoD, sliding around the map with 2 full seconds for shots to register for the few that does, still 40 ping when it should be 120-250.
Is this shit even legal? Because it sure is fkn annoying.
The original irl for ‘the customer is always wrong’ was how people kept complaining how elevators were too slow, so the solution wasn’t to make elevators faster, it’s to put mirrors in them.
Dude basically said: We didnt upgrade our servers although more ppl are playing it and doesnt understand THATS the problem.
M8 more ppl on the same server capacity = lags
What a selfreport
The game never had official servers.
@@jaroslavjancik349 Yeah, but the caveat is that you had to connect to valve serves to search for dedicated servers, and cs's code for hosting such servers wasn't the best.
This reminded me of a story from the Ottoman period. The Sultan had built a mosque. When he asked the villagers how the mosque was, a grumpy old man said that the minaret was crooked. The sultan came to the man and looked at it from his point of view. The minaret was not crooked at all. But he doesn't say anything to the old man and gathers volunteers and they pull the minaret with a rope. He asks the old man, "Is it fixed now?" The old man says, "Yes, it is now." But the Sultan never thought that the minaret would be fixed with a rope from the very beginning. But sometimes pretending to do something can be more useful than doing nothing.
In my experience everything up to about 180ms is still playable. 125-180 is noticeable but still fine to play on. 200ms+ is unplayable. Talking about STABLE ping though, if it's fluctuating that's worse than a stable 200ms.
It's something you get used to, the latency that is. If you have ~200 latency like back in the modem days you get used to that. However when you drop below 25 that's when things get insane. That's a point where a bad player might actually become decent and a good player become a god. Of course it all depends on what type of game etc but generally speaking if it's a first person shooter the lower latency you have the better. Having anything above 100ms latency just feels janky and laggy compared to under 50.
If you have knowledge of the game and specific loadout and the enemy skill isnt up to yours, you can tough it out.
Darius was a high ELO gamer who played in tournaments/still plays LoL (League of Legends).
He had many times 150-200 lag when he was playing. However he used to play Singed, a champion that is tanky and not that click intensive, you just need good positioning and knowledge of the game more than anything.
I remember the early days of broadband, my country had no BF2 servers, so I played in an Italian server with 150-180 ms. It was a little rough but playable, I could even snipe decently.
But when a UK server with 50-60 ms started to get populated in the afternoon, oh yeah that was awesome.
This exact thing happened to a guy making a PS2 game where the target framerates for the project were not possible so the developer just artificially changed the FPS number by adding a flat value.
A rare Gooseman has spoken.
Wait imagine all this time, when they say "we banned 10,000 cheaters" only for the truth to be 10 cheaters. Cuz that's how it feels right now.
and they wonder why ppl hate the game developers...
I play Keyforge at The Crucible Online and there are so many people who have complained about decks being "stacked", that the shuffling algorithm "isn't random" and that the devs had messed up the code. In truth, the devs just used one of the most readily available third party randomisers out there, and someone even ran simulations of a million deck shuffles and what the house distribution was, and the algorithm was proven to be accurate within less than 0.1% of an expected random distribution. And... people still claimed it wasn't random because of [insert examples of times their opponent had a 5-1 starting hand] or something.
Dev perspective: The devs are always right
Seriously though.
I remember cs 1.6 where I would change a setting which someone on steampowered said would make my game much smoother and after doing the change I played like a god for like 15-20 mins and magically I was bad again.
touching grass is equivalent to taking a shower.
In a statistic class i took, we learned about the problem with the Shuffle on the first ipod.
the shuffle feature was a true simple RNG option on your ipod. You click shuffle, and every new song will be randomly selected, including the very small chance of the song looping.
of course, people dont understand this and end up complaining "this shuffle option doesnt shuffle enough, its been looping the same few songs and sometimes it plays the same song twice" not realizing thats how random chaos works, youre not OWED a new song just because you haven't heard it in awhile (you would find this same fallacy among gambling addicts). So Apple then opted for a randomizer but calculates priority for songs that haven't been played in awhile to get higher odds. Then they simplified this by making a pre-made setlist of all your songs but in a random order.
> _"Then they simplified this by making a pre-made setlist of all your songs but in a random order."_
If you "shuffle" a deck, you don't expect to draw the same card twice, much less in a row...
@@VestinVestin before, the deck was shuffled every time you drew a card
The player doesnt know what it wants
knowing a burger place lost to mcdonalds, because people couldnt figure out the quarter pounders were smaller than the 1/3 pound burgers being offered, this doesnt surprise me at all.
wow the placebo effect in full...effect...here lol. how can you just see better ping numbers and assume theres no lag? generally i just play the game and let that decide wtf is up lol and if my ping says my net is good when its not then im gunna complain about it.