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Honestly been wondering how you only have 42K subscribers. Your content is so informative and just fun to listen to. Like Big Yellow did to Gen 1, your videos have been making me want to play Gen 3
Back when I played gen 3 OU as the modern gen, this thing was everywhere. It's crazy to see how much opinion has changed on it, and cool to see it being reinvented for modern play.
This used to be one of my go to Pokémon on stall teams during the netbattle days. Your videos are great and the nostalgia got me playing again. I’ve been put off by developments in recent gens and haven’t played serious since gen 5. Your content triggered me to play gen 3 OU again and it’s definitely the best gen in my mind. It definitely aged the best. Gen 5 was great because of all the meta shifts that happened due to new releases and DLC content, but I don’t think its replay value is as high compared to where gen 3 ended up.
Gen 9 ubers, ou, uu and nat dex ubers and ou are my favorites since they have most of my new favorites but gen 3 ou will always be the most fun to play for me. Firered and emerald were my favorites as a kid and even my in game emerald team i beat the e4 with was somewhat viable. Ttar, dusclops, forretress, swampert, metagross and suicune (obviously did some trading)
As a beginner to Gen 3 OU who has recently fell in love with it thanks to this channel, I'd love to experience some epic Dusclops gameplay. Does anybody by any chance have the team that was showcased in 7:00? I'd love to try it out on the ladder
www.smogon.com/forums/threads/set-dump-team-dump-and-previously-general-metagame-discussion.3648620/page-5#post-9218724 Here's ABR's post with the teams and explanations / example replays
Shadow ball, focus punch/seismic toss, substitute, curse with leftovers. I don’t play comp but i use something similar in battle frontier. Dusclopse is one of my favorites so it’s nice to see him getting some love (:
I used to run a Dusclops in Gen 6 doubles paired with slaking and doing skill swap shenanigans. You should have seen my buddy’s face when I took prankster off his sableye, gave it truant, and proceeded to priority will o wisp his whole team
I played gen 3 OU very shortly a while ago and Imprison Dusclops was one of my innovations that I brought to games. However, I wasn't very good at team building for the meta, much less a balanced team, but I did catch a Weezing on the switch and locked it out of Shadow Ball and Wisp. That was one of my highlights.
Only small bit of potential I can see is on a superman (4+ flyers/levitate to ignore spikes) that ALSO plays around sun with Moltres or something. (Tropius has chlorophyll). Those teams are usually weak to ice coverage though. It's probably not very good.
@@mastervolg8768 Don't put too much stock in that. There are a lot of mons that are potentially viable but have received little attention and experimentation. But I will say building in this tier is very difficult, even with years of experience playing it, so if you haven't had success yet that doesn't necessarily mean it's impossible and you never will. Sableye is a great example of a mon that would not have been ranked even just a year ago. Now it would be an oversight not to have it on a VR.
Though I don't do competitive, I used Gengar/Dusclops/Shedinja in battle frontier and it was quite fun. I ran curse/will-o-wisp/rest/protect with them to stall some mons that'd kill my other two.
So i had a dusclops with no direct attacking moves and paired it with a meganium that also had no direct attacking moves. Only leach seed for meganium and willo wisp, confuse ray, pain split for dusclops.
So there's been on tier 3 patron added since the last video, and the end screen has become magnificent. Maybe Jimothy just really likes Jolteon? Back to the theory factory...
Bruh each time you bring up poltchageist, it just gets funnier lmfao. All jokes aside tho, I think it's gonna be really useful and fun to use in doubles since its ability, hospitality, allows it to be an assist leftovers for your partner pokemon
I don't know if I was the Austin being thanked, but I thank you for the thanks. I truly enjoy your content. Soon I'll have my first Gen 3 team ready to try.
Banette does have a niche as the only Ghost that can threaten to KO Pursuit Tyranitar. Ghost/Fighting coverage is nice and Wisp and Taunt is also hard to switch in against. It is frail and easily KO'd though Shedinja just gets OHKO'd by Sand so its unviable
@@jimothycool This is cool. I'm guessing there's probably some hyper specific team build from 2009 where someone got rid of ttar and then brought in shedinja specifically to fully counter some other niche backup win con they knew the opponent would bring that just so happens to not be able to kill shedinja when the game came down to the last 2 Mons. Trust me, in 5,87 months BKC will make a feature length documentary titled "Jerry McSwippy vs. hell0kitty_narutogod2217: the shedinja game" about this exact battle that definitely happened
Fun story, I once beat an OU pro with basically a team of pokemon I liked using. I have never heard someone scream so loud when Dusknoir (my favorite pokemon) crit a Lando T with Ice Punch and killed it. Man legit tried to rip me to pieces, because I beat the king of OU, with a Dusknoir.
@@yourdagan it would obviously be stronger than Dusclops who has a niche, but would still be worse than Gengar who would still be the primary ghost type in the tier. Dusknoir would fit better on some teams though and would see some use, which would cause players to consider it when teambuilding, even if it would end up being a B tier mon.
Is Ghost realy that good? Its possibly because its so rare, but from my Estimates its actually one of the worse Types in most Metas. Many Ghost Types whit good Stats just fail. I assume the lack or usefull Resistance, and Neutral Coverage beeing less valuable then super effective one drags them down. I actually think Ghost might be better, just because how rare they are, but I dont think they better then average.
It depends largely on how important normal immunities are in a given meta. Gen 3 only has rapid spin as a way to clear spikes (defog wouldn't be around until DPP), explosion is largely unnerfed (that only occurs in gen 5) which means it can punch through walls, and Snorlax is a legitimate threat in the meta. This makes ghost-types actually quite powerful. They're not perfect, of course. The physical/special split hasnt happened yet so most ghost-types are special attackers with a physical attacking stab, and the ghost-types available are few in number and kinda lackluster, even with their niches. It takes work to make Dusclops and Mismagius work in OU; not an impossible amount, and they're not as niche as, say, Porygon in gen 1 OU, but they aren't Gengar and that does unfortunately count against them. The physical/special split also works out for them a bit, though. Dark is special and the main pursuit user is Tyranitar, who can hit hard but isn't hitting as hard as it might if that pursuit scaled with its physical attack. Ghost type attacks, their other weakness, is again physical, which means the Pokemon who would have stab on it aren't getting the most out of it, and the ones who do have the right stats for it aren't getting stab. Finally, an important thing of note here is that most ghost-types in gen 3 are monotype. The only ones who arent are the Ghastly line (who only retain poison's psychic weakness due to levitate), Shedinja (not really relevant in any category, let alone universal sandstorm and spikes OU) and Sableye, who has developed its own niche as mentioned. This means most of them only really have ghost and dark type moves to worry about, which means in a lot of cases they'll be taking neutral damage. Again, there's always TTar to worry about, and being neutral to most things isn't actually always a good thing, but the combination of broad neutral resistance + spin and explosion blocking + utility moves like will-o-wisp makes them quite good in the generation. Edit: this is a laywoman's observation of the meta. Also gen 3 is /incredibly/ refined(? im probably not using the right word here, sorry) as it's a meta that had been around for a long time and people know what works best and how to EV around it. These Pokemon work because they can take that into account and be built around, say, the enemy Gengar probably having the investment to survive x or y at the cost of z, so to speak. And, of course, none of this is even bringing up that Gen 3 has fewer battle items for Pokemon to hold and how permanent sandstorm means most have to run leftovers anyway. That /also/ changes the impact of ghost-types, alongside a general roster that is just less powerful than future gens and makes the more fragile ghosts more viable.
@@AdventurerSmithy I was talking about the first 8. Metas, not specifically, sorry for the Confusion. And your right, the Explosion Nerve, and less People considering Bodyslam as an Moveset Option (we wont speak about Hyperbeam) realy hurt Ghost. In my own Research, I failed to account for individual Usage, and focused my Attention to the Number of avaiable Ghost/something Types. Later I created Tierlists of Gen 1-4, 5-8, and 1-8 to compare results. Gen 1 & 2 are realy different Metas compare to everything post them. Fire, and Dragon where completly unviable, Fighting, and Bug wherent in a very good Positon eighter. Rock was still ok, to good. I wouldnt say Shedinja doesnt matter. Its not a OU Pokemon, but it is a popular Counter against Kyogre of all things. I didnt include that in my List, but I probably should have. For the record the worse Types in most metas are Normal, Ghost, Poison, Ice, Rock... Whit Bug, and Dark fighting over the lowest Place of Mid Tier. Normal was good in Gen 1, and 2, but got outclassed by better Options fast. Now the only good Normal Line is Blisseys. Dragon is technically in the high Midtier, but given its Rarity, I say it would outclass Ground on a better List. Gen 4, and 5 had some wonderfull Dual Type Ghosts, whit new amazing Playstyles, and sadly non of them managed to establish themselfe long Term. (Give Frostlass better SpezAttack Gamefreak!)
Keep in mind defog didn't remove hazards on your side of the field until gen 6, so even though defog is in gens 4/5, rapid spin is still the only way to remove hazards, making ghosts all the more valuable when you want to keep rocks/tspikes on the field.
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I loved Dusclops in ADV Doubles OU, where you can use it with Imprison/Protect to stop people Protecting against your first turn Boom
That's a good one.
Would be ineffective against the (apparently) most common lead of Metagross + Gengar.
That does sound funny as fuck
@@yourdaganmy immediate thought is that Metagross would boom, wouldn’t it?
@@borby4584 to take out one mon? cammon
Honestly, I just want to see more Gen 3 OU videos. It's really neat how many Pokemon work if you know what to do.
The Realm of Alternative Ghost Types is a pathway to many Pokémon some consider to be unnatural.
Dusclops: I am the spinblocker!
Tyranitar: Not. Yet.
Gengar: "it's treason then"
Pain Split is one of those moves that I never noticed till gen 4 and then literally just looked up was a gen 2 move
Mostly because it was only learned by Misdreavus and anything that could breed with it... wasn't until gen 4 hgss it had a move tutor
I've run Calm Mind, Will-o-wisp, Rest, and special attack for like 5 generations straight with this guy lol.
Bruh
Honestly been wondering how you only have 42K subscribers. Your content is so informative and just fun to listen to. Like Big Yellow did to Gen 1, your videos have been making me want to play Gen 3
I only have 1 Subscriber.
@@jimothycool that’s me. I subscribed
Fellow Big Yellow enjoyer, I salute you. Although I think I enjoy Jimothy more, as gen3 was my starting place in Pokémon.
All this hubbub over dusclops, but let's not forget that duskull is capable of fully countering articuno, zapdos, and jirachi all at the same time.
Honestly my favorite ghost is Dusclops he’s just so adorable (yes i know that sounds weird and I don’t know how to explain it lol)
I can see it. He gives funny little old man vibes.
Based
Hes just a little guy!
Flareon’s Weird Use in Gen 3 OU.
ruclips.net/video/rMLASAY6YdA/видео.html
I love the weirder choices for spin blockers. Being so hazard weak makes it so much harder to justify though..
I prefer misdreavus and gengar as spinblockers
Wow, that’s the bulkiest ghost type in Gen 3 that I’ve ever seen
This is insane
Thanks, Austin.
shoutouts to Austin
I have been devouring your Gen 3 videos. What a fun microcosm. Thank you for sharing it.
If only landrous was in gen three then duclops could hard counter it with ice punch
You forgot about the crit!
Well, gengy with the immunity and speed would do that far far better
@@bharatgoel8809 I do not think you the joke.
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@@joethegreat7242 you are the joke. I understood it and countered it hoping someone would be smart enough to recounter
Its really cool how pokemon like claydol and dusclops have a great use in gen 3 considering how they're not seen in future generations very often.
Really been loving the gen 3 vids, I even started playing random battles gen 3 on smogon it's really fun!
Back when I played gen 3 OU as the modern gen, this thing was everywhere. It's crazy to see how much opinion has changed on it, and cool to see it being reinvented for modern play.
been loving the gen 3 OU vids
Loving this Gen 3 content. Emerald is my favourite, and I am considering hopping on the OU ladder now. Thanks!
This used to be one of my go to Pokémon on stall teams during the netbattle days. Your videos are great and the nostalgia got me playing again. I’ve been put off by developments in recent gens and haven’t played serious since gen 5. Your content triggered me to play gen 3 OU again and it’s definitely the best gen in my mind. It definitely aged the best. Gen 5 was great because of all the meta shifts that happened due to new releases and DLC content, but I don’t think its replay value is as high compared to where gen 3 ended up.
love the huge variety in sets. I imagine with a good spinner it can do quite well.
got me wanting to get into gen 3 OU mr jim
Gen 9 ubers, ou, uu and nat dex ubers and ou are my favorites since they have most of my new favorites but gen 3 ou will always be the most fun to play for me. Firered and emerald were my favorites as a kid and even my in game emerald team i beat the e4 with was somewhat viable. Ttar, dusclops, forretress, swampert, metagross and suicune (obviously did some trading)
I love how Jimothy is running a protection racket and everyone is going along with it.
As a beginner to Gen 3 OU who has recently fell in love with it thanks to this channel, I'd love to experience some epic Dusclops gameplay. Does anybody by any chance have the team that was showcased in 7:00? I'd love to try it out on the ladder
www.smogon.com/forums/threads/set-dump-team-dump-and-previously-general-metagame-discussion.3648620/page-5#post-9218724
Here's ABR's post with the teams and explanations / example replays
Wow thank you so much Mr. Cool@@jimothycool
Shadow ball, focus punch/seismic toss, substitute, curse with leftovers. I don’t play comp but i use something similar in battle frontier. Dusclopse is one of my favorites so it’s nice to see him getting some love (:
Dusclos mentioned, LET'S F*CKING GOOO
shoutout to Austin and J R
You should make a video on Medicham, I've been using it a bunch and it's such a scary pokemon, two shotting skarm if it's banded
I used to run a Dusclops in Gen 6 doubles paired with slaking and doing skill swap shenanigans. You should have seen my buddy’s face when I took prankster off his sableye, gave it truant, and proceeded to priority will o wisp his whole team
Dusclops is my favorite Pokémon. I’m so glad it’s had a niche outside of vgc, because it’s really struggled since gen 3
I played gen 3 OU very shortly a while ago and Imprison Dusclops was one of my innovations that I brought to games. However, I wasn't very good at team building for the meta, much less a balanced team, but I did catch a Weezing on the switch and locked it out of Shadow Ball and Wisp. That was one of my highlights.
Does everything work in gen 3 ou? When "Why Tropius is viable in gen 3 ou"
Don't think Tropius works, but apparently Wailord's seen use in Gen 3 OU.
@@teddyhaines6613 turns out water spout and boom are good moves, even if the stats are bad
Not quite but the thing is you never know till it's tried.
Schrodinger's viability.
Only small bit of potential I can see is on a superman (4+ flyers/levitate to ignore spikes) that ALSO plays around sun with Moltres or something. (Tropius has chlorophyll). Those teams are usually weak to ice coverage though. It's probably not very good.
@@DantinozMC good thinking with a sun-oriented superman, say Tropius Moltres/Charizard and Gyarados/Articuno, for starters
DUSCLOPS LETS GOOOO, anyways good vidya mate
It works really good against Blissey if you was cursed bringing you you down to half HP and then you paint split then you are restored the full
Ok, now I wanna learn all about Gen3 OU, just to find a way to make Banette useful xD
That one curse dusclops duskull set was insane
I see that man from the stream got his request lol
Emote to demoralize Iron Mugulis
The mad lad actually shouted out Austin
Loved the ‘Clops in my Sapphire Run. What a tanky Boi. Let’s see you get through him with your Metagross Steven.
*Spoilers* He never did😂
imprison is the kind of move that doesn't show up much but when it does, hooey
Shoutouts to the mini donation war over Dusclops a few nights ago on stream
Misdreavus has been my fav ghost ever since Gen 2. Absolutely fantastic design
Man, ADV is really cool, there are a lot of mons with cool niches and uses. I just wish Ursaring had one...
It does. Agility Pass recipient to sweep or Blissey switch-in to wallbreak.
@@yourdagan I've tried using it myself and sometimes works, but i've never seen it in a Tier List or top players using it
@@mastervolg8768 Don't put too much stock in that. There are a lot of mons that are potentially viable but have received little attention and experimentation.
But I will say building in this tier is very difficult, even with years of experience playing it, so if you haven't had success yet that doesn't necessarily mean it's impossible and you never will.
Sableye is a great example of a mon that would not have been ranked even just a year ago. Now it would be an oversight not to have it on a VR.
this is one of the most underrated types in Pokemon Go Great League, too.
Though I don't do competitive, I used Gengar/Dusclops/Shedinja in battle frontier and it was quite fun. I ran curse/will-o-wisp/rest/protect with them to stall some mons that'd kill my other two.
Dusclops favorite Pokémon Represent!!!!
ADV ou is a really cool metagame and hearing about it is really fun
Have you done a video about the hypothetical scenario in which the physical special split exists in Gen 3? That would be a hell of a thing to see!
Thanks Austin
So i had a dusclops with no direct attacking moves and paired it with a meganium that also had no direct attacking moves. Only leach seed for meganium and willo wisp, confuse ray, pain split for dusclops.
So there's been on tier 3 patron added since the last video, and the end screen has become magnificent. Maybe Jimothy just really likes Jolteon? Back to the theory factory...
Can you make a video with a couple of battles using dusclops teams? (CM in particular)
Greeting from the UK Mr Cool. We got a Bank Holiday today, you got one where you live?
Now do one on the sad existence of Dusknoir.
I'm in an ADV OU Draft tournament and Dusclops is consistently one of my most useful Pokemon so far
take a shot whenever he says dusclops
But the battle's not over, Dusclops, will o wisp!
Bruh each time you bring up poltchageist, it just gets funnier lmfao. All jokes aside tho, I think it's gonna be really useful and fun to use in doubles since its ability, hospitality, allows it to be an assist leftovers for your partner pokemon
A yes, the OU Staple Dusclops/Banette/Misdreavus Ghost trio that terrorizes the meta.
I love this pokemon in 6G, with eviolite and rest, infestation, curse and sleep talk.
My favourite cancer
I don't know if I was the Austin being thanked, but I thank you for the thanks. I truly enjoy your content. Soon I'll have my first Gen 3 team ready to try.
I versed a Dusclops recently and yeah it was pretty hard to take down. And it had Focus Punch too! 0_o.
Also, I lol at Iron Mugulis everytime, haha!
Thanks, Jim! 😂
Excuse me , how did you get an image in your name?
@@themister.s-1st I'm a member, mate
@@themister.s-1st Become a member to get the Iron Fellow badge and of course the Iron Mugulis emote for Comments and Stream Chats.
What a deal.
Are there any channels passionate about gen 4 like Jim is for gen 3? Or is that a niche not filled by anybody?
check out BKC
praying that banette has a niche in gen 3 ou 🙏
It does but that's secret Jimothy tech.
Can you explain why are there so many uubl pokemon in gen 3?
So why aren't shedinja and banette viable? They seem to be the odd ones out in gen 3.
Banette does have a niche as the only Ghost that can threaten to KO Pursuit Tyranitar. Ghost/Fighting coverage is nice and Wisp and Taunt is also hard to switch in against. It is frail and easily KO'd though
Shedinja just gets OHKO'd by Sand so its unviable
@@jimothycool This is cool.
I'm guessing there's probably some hyper specific team build from 2009 where someone got rid of ttar and then brought in shedinja specifically to fully counter some other niche backup win con they knew the opponent would bring that just so happens to not be able to kill shedinja when the game came down to the last 2 Mons. Trust me, in 5,87 months BKC will make a feature length documentary titled "Jerry McSwippy vs. hell0kitty_narutogod2217: the shedinja game" about this exact battle that definitely happened
7:44 is more disconcerting than it should be
Imprison gaming let's go!
that ending song goes so hard where can I find it
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Yeah I specially love Ice punch dusclops, I thing everyone should try It in fact.
Fun story, I once beat an OU pro with basically a team of pokemon I liked using. I have never heard someone scream so loud when Dusknoir (my favorite pokemon) crit a Lando T with Ice Punch and killed it.
Man legit tried to rip me to pieces, because I beat the king of OU, with a Dusknoir.
I remember facing one recently in Gen 3 OU
I want the return of pain split on rotom !
It doesn't have much hp, but can still tank some attacks.
Dusclops is a PU menace and i love him
We love an employed Dusclops
The immunity to Fighting is essential to Dusclops. Because of the low hp, Seismic Toss would do devastating damage if the Pokémon was any other type.
I wish we had ADV Dusknoir. Woulda shaken up the metagame some I think while also not being a mainstay.
What do you mean?
@@yourdagan it would obviously be stronger than Dusclops who has a niche, but would still be worse than Gengar who would still be the primary ghost type in the tier. Dusknoir would fit better on some teams though and would see some use, which would cause players to consider it when teambuilding, even if it would end up being a B tier mon.
I mean, it has 5 more base attack than Gangar, so if Dusclops can use shadow ball, so can Gengar.
I love Dusclops.
mmmmm videos on the gen 3 meta game
You have quite the healthy obsession with Gen 3 Pokemon
Haha
my boi dusclops PP stalling fools for days
Smogon needs a ladder for gen 3 AAA or AG
There's no need for AG in gen 3, because there aren't any Pokémon strong enough to get banned from Ubers
LMAO YOU MADE IT
so whats the set...
Imprison
Shadow Ball
Rest
Rapid spin
Will O wisp
One needs to go, guess Rapid spin?
Become a member today to prevent iron mugulis from taking over gen 3 ou
Dusclops with evolvolite is fun
Do Claydol next
I wonder what the OU meta would look like without bliss/skarm/dugtrio
Im definitley on Austin's team
YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Is Ghost realy that good? Its possibly because its so rare, but from my Estimates its actually one of the worse Types in most Metas.
Many Ghost Types whit good Stats just fail. I assume the lack or usefull Resistance, and Neutral Coverage beeing less valuable then super effective one drags them down.
I actually think Ghost might be better, just because how rare they are, but I dont think they better then average.
It depends largely on how important normal immunities are in a given meta. Gen 3 only has rapid spin as a way to clear spikes (defog wouldn't be around until DPP), explosion is largely unnerfed (that only occurs in gen 5) which means it can punch through walls, and Snorlax is a legitimate threat in the meta. This makes ghost-types actually quite powerful.
They're not perfect, of course. The physical/special split hasnt happened yet so most ghost-types are special attackers with a physical attacking stab, and the ghost-types available are few in number and kinda lackluster, even with their niches. It takes work to make Dusclops and Mismagius work in OU; not an impossible amount, and they're not as niche as, say, Porygon in gen 1 OU, but they aren't Gengar and that does unfortunately count against them.
The physical/special split also works out for them a bit, though. Dark is special and the main pursuit user is Tyranitar, who can hit hard but isn't hitting as hard as it might if that pursuit scaled with its physical attack. Ghost type attacks, their other weakness, is again physical, which means the Pokemon who would have stab on it aren't getting the most out of it, and the ones who do have the right stats for it aren't getting stab.
Finally, an important thing of note here is that most ghost-types in gen 3 are monotype. The only ones who arent are the Ghastly line (who only retain poison's psychic weakness due to levitate), Shedinja (not really relevant in any category, let alone universal sandstorm and spikes OU) and Sableye, who has developed its own niche as mentioned. This means most of them only really have ghost and dark type moves to worry about, which means in a lot of cases they'll be taking neutral damage. Again, there's always TTar to worry about, and being neutral to most things isn't actually always a good thing, but the combination of broad neutral resistance + spin and explosion blocking + utility moves like will-o-wisp makes them quite good in the generation.
Edit: this is a laywoman's observation of the meta. Also gen 3 is /incredibly/ refined(? im probably not using the right word here, sorry) as it's a meta that had been around for a long time and people know what works best and how to EV around it. These Pokemon work because they can take that into account and be built around, say, the enemy Gengar probably having the investment to survive x or y at the cost of z, so to speak.
And, of course, none of this is even bringing up that Gen 3 has fewer battle items for Pokemon to hold and how permanent sandstorm means most have to run leftovers anyway. That /also/ changes the impact of ghost-types, alongside a general roster that is just less powerful than future gens and makes the more fragile ghosts more viable.
@@AdventurerSmithy I was talking about the first 8. Metas, not specifically, sorry for the Confusion.
And your right, the Explosion Nerve, and less People considering Bodyslam as an Moveset Option (we wont speak about Hyperbeam) realy hurt Ghost.
In my own Research, I failed to account for individual Usage, and focused my Attention to the Number of avaiable Ghost/something Types.
Later I created Tierlists of Gen 1-4, 5-8, and 1-8 to compare results.
Gen 1 & 2 are realy different Metas compare to everything post them. Fire, and Dragon where completly unviable, Fighting, and Bug wherent in a very good Positon eighter. Rock was still ok, to good.
I wouldnt say Shedinja doesnt matter. Its not a OU Pokemon, but it is a popular Counter against Kyogre of all things. I didnt include that in my List, but I probably should have.
For the record the worse Types in most metas are Normal, Ghost, Poison, Ice, Rock...
Whit Bug, and Dark fighting over the lowest Place of Mid Tier.
Normal was good in Gen 1, and 2, but got outclassed by better Options fast. Now the only good Normal Line is Blisseys. Dragon is technically in the high Midtier, but given its Rarity, I say it would outclass Ground on a better List.
Gen 4, and 5 had some wonderfull Dual Type Ghosts, whit new amazing Playstyles, and sadly non of them managed to establish themselfe long Term. (Give Frostlass better SpezAttack Gamefreak!)
@@Sunaki1000 Shedinja is only usable in metas where Ttar isn't around
@@Imitationist Yeah obviously. But its still a decent Mon. Just very specific.
Keep in mind defog didn't remove hazards on your side of the field until gen 6, so even though defog is in gens 4/5, rapid spin is still the only way to remove hazards, making ghosts all the more valuable when you want to keep rocks/tspikes on the field.
Cheers
Hi Austin
I really wish Dusknoir got a buff.
Dusclops Stalling the game ever since it created
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