Live Panel on Biblical Patriarchy & Christian Nationalism - Deevers, Wilson, Sauve, Conn, and Webbon
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- Опубликовано: 8 апр 2024
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Appreciate the invite, Joel! It was an honor.
Hi Brian
I listen to Haunted cosmos and I didn’t realise the depth of your knowledge in biblical matters and your intelligence. Sorry, it’s definitely a compliment and not a backhanded one.
@@danielwarton5343 Thanks, Daniel! I am first and last a pastor and Bible teacher. Appreciate your encouragement.
@@Brian_Sauve I am a dreaded premillennialist and a dispensationalist, but I enjoy and am encouraged by you guys and Joel. Thanks for what you do.
@@Brian_Sauvethis is super random, but I don't have Twitter so I'm asking in the comments. Do you think there is any place in the Christian kingdom we are building for Fantasy entertainment, such as a new series of books similar to what the Chronicles of Narnia was for our generation, or a new type of game that could rival Dungeons and dragons, but which is built by Christian men for Christians and for Christian storytelling, and myth-building? I know that is a lot but I really value your opinion after listening to the king's Hall and haunted Cosmos
@@AndersAylwardI’m a random guy on RUclips but I would say definitely yes! I don’t see any reason why there wouldn’t be a place for that.
Holy beards! So much wisdom. I love the panel discussion format.
Fantastic conversation with some of my favourite men to listen to online! Great work guys! God bless you all and your ministries! 💗
I get the sense that when Pastor Joel delivers his sermons & speeches, that he fears the disapproval of God much more than he fears the disapproval of: his peers, his parishioners, his audience, & the society at large. Strong conviction, integrity, & balls from a genuine leader of the church. God bless you & your family Pastor Joel, you're the real deal.
I agree with you.
Pastor Joel is truly faithful to God's Word
Balls?
@@Yela927big ones too
I agree
I about fell out my chair when Pastor Deevers said that about abolishing abortion not smashing it. Praise the Lord!!!
And the difference between the two terms is...?
It's referring to a difference in approach, abolitionism vs smashmouth incrementalism
@@gregb6469 the difference concisely put is criminalizing the act of abortion versus regulating it
@@JollyMe23 -- Until a significant majority of the population considers abortion to be wrong, criminalizing it will go over about as well a prohibition did.
Me too!
I appreciate what you are trying to teach, and helping us in a closer walk with our Lord. I am sad to read some of the comments. God bless you.
Lol, born in 1955, I am also closer to 1892 than 2024!! Interestung change of perspective...
I'll be there, Dusty. God bless you, sir
Great job Eric Conn!
This is the first time that I've really heard pastor Brian Suave speaking without having fun and bantering about Nephilim and sea monsters. I'm very impressed with the wisdom and clarity of his message, he seems like a very well rounded servant of the Most High
He absolutely is. Grateful for his ministry.
Thank you men for your ministry and everything that you do for the kingdom of God. You guys have no idea how much you influenced me to be a better man of God in my humble service to my family and my church. Please don’t stop doing what you do!
Keep talking about this stuff. Topic of the age. 🙏
@@JW-tg1nn You are misrepresenting the positions so clearly
@@JW-tg1nn God's law is revelation of who he is. One of the biggest reasons for the state of the US currently is that most "christians" no longer fear God, do not know him, and now worship their own version of "God". God is patriarchy. God's law is important to understand because it reveals his nature to us. These things are absolutely important in the US today.
@@JW-tg1nn You keep speaking of forcing people to believe. Nobody on this panel believes that beliefs can be forced. We do believe that all law is imposed morality and the choice is which standard of morality will we advocate for. These gentlemen would advocate that there is no greater standard to advocate for in the civil law than Scripture. Subjectivism or pretended neutrality in law has destroyed our country. Christ is king and his law is written down and given to us in scripture. All of Christ for all of life. God alone gives the gift of faith. I don't mean to show disrespect but it really seems like you commented before watching the video.
@@JW-tg1nn CNs don't believe that spreading the gospel happens through govt takeover. Listen to someone besides Owen Strachan and the rest of Big Eva on what CN actually is.... or go listen to Wolfe, or read his book. CNs would stand right with you and applaud you and be in agreement with you. If that's what you think CN's believe, then you've been misled or simply haven't actually listened to any of them.
And Patriarchy isn't "forced obedience". It's the proper ordering of leadership as given by scripture. I've recently read Wilson's book "Reforming marriage" and there's nothing in there about forcing women to do anything. It's about the responsibility of the man and his duty before God. There's also plenty about loving your wife and your children.
It seems you've just bought the narrative on these things and haven't actually read/listened to any of them speak for themselves. That's a sure way to be misled and end up burning strawmen, like you did above.
Excuse me, but I would like to inquire about your preference regarding the governing law for our society. Would you prefer God's divine law or the laws created by humans?
Thank you
Would love to hear you interview Timon Cline. I think he could give some great insight into the Christian Nationalism discussions. It would also be interesting to hear some discussion on an established church, even if only on a state level. I think Baptists have a few more hurdles that complicate the practical outworking of Christendom and Timon would be an entertaining and informative guest to help hash out some of these ideas.
The whole "King Josiah" bit just means "I want to take control of the coercive power of the State to impose my religious values on people who do not share them."
I can imagine that a group of Taliban clerics having a similar conversation in the 80's.
This video needs to be distributed far and wide so that decent Americans can see what the enemy looks like.
Welcome to Starboard Response Ministries, I'm Yeoman Webbon.
(On a yacht somewhere near Atlantis interviewing mermaids)
Beards are great, and I love listening to these brothers of mine.
😂
its great to see men of God standing for God. to many shepards are asleep.
I LOVE what Pastor Webbon is building in north Austin!!!!
What a great panel and discussions. Love it all
I hope Pastor Webbon will have Vince Ellison as a guest.
Please, Dusty, educate Doug on the sin of incrementalism!
Agree with Eric on ABS.
I am so thankful that the Lord delivered me from listening to all the famous women pastors that never taught Titus chapter 2. I have been in my home for five years cultivating skills, homeschooling, learning to let my husband lead. I’m so fearful that I would’ve had to face the Lord at the end of my life never having learned any of it and going to church every Sunday.
This was an epic conference. My 14 year old son is still taking about it. Strong, bold , wise men .
It is deeply irresponsible to subject a child to this absolute drivel, which is entirely contrary to the message that Jesus actually preached.
@@AaronGardner98 nah.
@@f308gtb1977 how would you say the teachings at this conference are consistent with, say, the Beatitudes? I’m all ears.
Yes
Doug Wilson at 7:24 - classic!
Thank you from Breaux Bridge, Louisiana!
Hey fellas, what color shoes are we wearing today? BROWN, OK
What do you think of a future north American protestant alliance?
Does anyone in these comments happen to be post-mill and living in the UK? Please reply if so, I am looking to meet and gather more post-mill brothers in the UK.
Yessir
Anyone else? I'm currently based just north of London.
@@jamesascott7040 sorry bro I never received a notification for this. I'm near London too, it won't let me comment my email unfortunately - have you got twitter or something?
@@jamesascott7040 Just shot (hopefully) you a request on social media
Post mil in sw Essex.
Only just discovered this broadcast
Listen to Johnathon Edward's sermon, Sinners in the hands of an angry God. Thats where we are in the Usa.
Love all y’all but it’s above my head
Man, they were right about conservative men having no signs of creativity or ability to tell a joke. Thats frankly a little spooky.
This is an honest question…
All the things Doug listed definitely anger the Lord, but making the USA a Christian nation still isn’t going to take away pride and lust and envy. I struggle with the argument of CN coming from people who, like I do, believe in election of the believer solely on the merit of God’s choice before the foundation of the world.
Everybody means something different by “nationalism,” but I’ve yet to hear a definition that makes me think it’s ultimately a good thing, on balance. It’s the “ism” part.
There are only two options. Let the unbelievers run the asylum or call them to repent and disciple everyone from the milkmaid to the "Leader of the Free World" to follow everything Christ commanded. Only one option is biblical. It's that simple.
@@umaikakudo we can disciple everyone from the milkman to the king, but only if the Lord reveals Himself to them through the preaching of the gospel. Im pretty sure we’re all believers in the doctrines of grace and know that only Christ saves through the Father drawing people to Him. All the government in the world doesn’t change a single heart for the Lord. Yes, id love to live in a place where there is submission to Christ but I don’t see that happening until Christ returns and rules with a rod of iron.
How do you get Christians in power when they need to repent to become Christians and we’re very much in the minority?
@@danielwarton5343 Jesus said he is ruling with a rod of iron at the ascension. "And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore. . . " We do our job of preaching the gospel and baptising those whom God converts into the church (eccleaia / congregation), then discipling them to obey everything Jesus commanded and God uses this means to accomplish all his holy will in the fullness of time.
Just because we are in a trough between reformations don't let a 100 year old eschatology blind you to the ordinary cycle of how God has worked throughout all of human history or the progress of the gospel of the kingdom has made among all the nations to the ends of the earth.
Are beards mandatory now?
Yes
Maybe haha. Masculinity is mandatory for men, and beards are one common way to express it.
Vanity. All is vanity.
Apparently. Just like in Taliban-controlled Afghanistan.
Yep😂
Well, let's go get the lion boys.
I would think that if a professing Christian woman comes out swinging at a man, appealing to those in authority in her life (husband, pastor, father, etc) may be in order to hold her to account, particularly to avoid unfortunate engagement (aka "hitting a girl").
But Doug, if you got a King Josiah, would you be chill with him seeking out a female prophet to rightly divide the word of God and direct the whole nation? Like Josiah did with Huldah...when her male contemporaries were all amazing prophets themselves? Maybe Huldah was just easier to find that day since she was at home making bread.
Rightly said, the laws reflect and enforce the culture of a society. Christians must have bible inspired laws which would regulate a society. The days of liberalism are limited and passing but the bible is the word of God and Christ's kingdom will last forever.
Adherents of biblical Christianity are utter hypocrites. They will talk all the live long about how society should reflect biblical laws, even when their own churches don't reflect biblical law. Their traditions and beliefs are almost completely antithetical to what is taught in scripture, and they demand that society conform itself to laws that they claim were "nailed to the cross". Didn't Christ not call the Pharisees out for this "do as we say, not as we do" logic?
Amen 🙏
I think it's great that women are trying to reclaim domesticity. I for one have been spending the last several years since being home trying to do the same. It's uncomfortable in this society and there is a lot of backlash. But there's always going to be a counterfeit of everything. For the first 9 years of marriage and 4 of motherhood I was under the impression that it was completely normal to drop my kids off while I worked a 10 hour day. Someone else could raise my kids, someone else could clean my house. When I woke up ( because of Christs intervention) turning that around was and has been uncomfortable including submitting to my husband as the head of the household (which is what the Bible teaches). We need to be celebrating the fact that women are trying to bring back the home fires and be obedient unto the Lord.
Wonderful to hear, I am guessing it has been a fulfilling journey for you. I don't have daughters, but have friends that do, and it is hard trying to find a balance in today's culture for those fathers in bringing up their daughters to be feminine as well as skillful and educated in traditional feminine ways. Some of it almost feels like a lost art at this point. I'd encourage you as an older women to pass your wisdom and skill in this to young women, not just your own daughters, if you have them! We need women that have learned this to pass it along!
Thank you so much , it is my plan to pass it along to my daughter and my prayers are that my son will see what to be looking for in a wife. My husband and I both grew up in broken homes and not in a Christian environment. It wasn't until later in our marriage that we found Christ, but I'm sure that's most peoples stories raising children today. It's a common one. It amazes me how much God can turn things around. Thank you for your encouraging words.
That's awesome to hear. My wife will be leaving her job at the end of this month. She (and I) were similar to you, didn't really think much about her working all day and dropping the kids off at school. Although our kids have always been in a private Christian school.
I've been blessed that she happily embraces the roles of men and women, and I've grown as well in fulfilling my role as the head of the household. It's very easy to ignore the submission aspect as long as I can ignore my responsibility to lead... but in reality it's bad for everyone, we were just ignoring it. Thankfully, we've both been corrected by scripture, around similar times, and are ordering things rightly now.
I've even heard her telling other "Christian" women that it's the man's role to lead, and wives are to submit and be a faithful helper. You can almost see the jaw dropping of having no way to respond to something they likely have hardly ever heard, let alone from a woman. But her sister has hold her plenty of times about how she "wishes she had a relationship like ours" or "wishes her house was ran like ours". But when my wife tells her "well this is how we do things, because this is what scripture says..." it's usually a response like "yea... i don't know...." and the topic changes.
I suggest your husband read Reforming Marriage by Doug Wilson. The better he leads, the easier it will be for you to follow, and I know that book helped open my eyes to my responsibilities and how I had been falling short. Assuming he would be opened to it and seeks to lead as well as possible, and wouldn't take the suggestion of that book as some type of indictment on his leadership.
@@MansterBear thank you for the book suggestion. Have enjoyed reading both Doug and Nancy Wilson's anything on marriage , the home and raising children. God bless, and it's so nice to hear other couples following the scriptures as God intended for us to do! The home really does run better when we obey The Lord , just as you were saying.
Childcare is hilarious. Also, preschool is hilarious.
O thats funny: “Lets talk about Christian Patriarchy! But first: Thank you father which art in heaven!” Cant make this stuff up. 5 minutes enough!
Bring back the magisterium. I love Wilson and his camp, but the rest of evangelicalism is driving me towards the REC. Im starting more and more to believe in a church magisterium, not in the Roman way, but the anglo Catholic belief.
I just absolutely LOVE the fact that when Dougie Wilson talks about America making God angry, he completely fails to mention the fact that we have the most bloated military industrial complex ever conceived of in the history of humankind. That doesn’t even enter his radar.
Molechry and sodomy are inarguably bigger sin issues.
Correct, he’s great on a ton of things, he’s a “Conservative Republican” through and through.
Doug served as a Submariner in the US Navy giving him personal experience in the military. If you care to look it up, he has spoken many times on Biblical just war doctrine and will consistently call out violations committed by the US and other nations.
Red pill movement is the male version of feminism. It's the mirror of feminism. They both complain about problems, and their solutions both include power plays.
42:10 The central error of Thomism's baptizing of Aristotle is setting reason apart as being unaffected by the fall and able to understand truth apart from the regeneration of the Holy Spirit. We can't make that error again and let the Aristotelian camel's nose into the tent that will always lead to "I think, therefore I am" Deisim and then to the relativistic Sola Experiencia cesspool we find ourselves in now.
Doug should know that the Van Til Theonomy foundation is the only solid Biblical foundation free from antithetical pagan influences.
His horse is hitched to the Hellenistic Classical Education wagon instead of following a Biblical Hebraic foundation.
Is it just by chance that all these men on this panel have some type of beard? Great panel, really great, but the beard thing is a bit over the top, a bit too much role playing.
Is shaving somehow not role playing?
Turn off those Ligon Duncan videos, put the remote down and slowly step away.
That's what you focused on out of this?
It's ok if you can't grow a beard, brother.
I can't grow hair, so I have a big beard. Maybe you've been blessed in other ways, and the beard just isn't for you?
@@dillonanderson7758 I must say , you got me there. You're right, if they were all shaved I wouldn't have noticed.
It would be nice if any such traditional woman as described here actually existed anymore in America. I don't see any.
Go to church
@@nerychristian what would this look like?
@@aallen5256 It would look like a wife who has a gentle and quiet spirit, and who speaks to her husband with respect, and not in a condescending or nagging tone. A woman who speaks highly of her husband when around her kids or her friends.
There’s some! The transformed wife community types!
@@JW-tg1nn don't be an ass and cancel people. You should be ashamed
Me: comes for the conversation, stays for the trolls and feminists in the chat
I’ve found that insistent women just as much account for why they don’t wear their head covering
You’re absolutely right.
My wife was rockin prairie dresses and making bread before the term ‘TradWife’ was a thing. My daughters wear the same dresses my wife wore as a little girl. #OGtradwife!! Following the andrew tate to the end is ‘bugattis’ so funny 😂😂. great chat fellas! And even better beards maybe 💪💪
My wife is leaving her job at a community college. She's watched it decay over the past 15 years into exactly what Vox Day describes in his book "Corporate Cancer". Nothing but diversity hires, open anti white racism, no accountability and the place is kept afloat by the handful of people who actually do their jobs, and work extra to make up for the lazy people. We've been talking about doing it for a few years, and working to get to a better financial situation, but you can always go "well we're not quiet ready yet, we need to do a, b, c first..." Then when a b c are done, you have d, e, f that should be first too...
So we've procrastinated for a couple years. We decided we're doing it this year, we'll just make it work and trust God. She's got a few weeks left and she's out of there and I couldn't be happier.
May God bless your new journey
I resigned as a school teacher. Been home and homeschooling 5 years! God has slowly blessed my husband with better jobs!
Childcare and preschool are hilarious.
When you speak of Patriarchy as in women cannot be leaders in the church, you are mixing Jurisdictions. God establish 3 Jurisdictions through which The Kingdom functions, Family Government, Church Government, and Civil Government and re-establish through Christ Isa 9:6, Man/woman Husband/wife are within the Family Jurisdiction, and Christ Jesus is head of the Family as He is head of His Church and head of every nation.
Uncle Doug holding that mic like his favorite cigar. Love it!
Doug doesn't look very healthy, though...
Around 1:22:00 Brian Suave touches on something very interesting! I believe what he's saying is, what if, at the beginning of the founding of America, what if there was too much deism, enlightenment ect. I think he's on to something. He said, maybe there should have been more explicit language talking about the 1st table of the law. Perhaps he'd say, maybe at the founding, it should have been MORE explicitly Christian wording in the documents. Like Jesus Christ is King over this land. I think that was assumed, but maybe it'd be better if at the founding, things were more explicitly "Christian"
I agree that it would have been better if America had been made officially a Christian country in the Constitution
It is true that various countries in Europe had state preferred religions like Catholicism in France or an official Church like in England
But I don't know of any of those countries that had an official public document that said "this is a Christian country".
Rather than having such explicit declarations it was just a tacit assumption I think
@@conceptualclarity if you live in the United States of America, then you're living in one! Uganda is a Christian Nation. England is a Christian Nation. Rome was a Christian Nation.
Childcare is hilarious.
I wonder who hurt them. They are so full of contempt and loathing for everyone. I believed they need a hug and someone to let them know that they do not have to bullies and pricks to find validation. They were probably not love for they own worth, so know they have the need to put everyone they percibe as a threat down. Feel so sorry for them and anyone that have to suffer them daily.
The arrogance of this panel is astounding.
I'm sorry for ur loss
All Caucasian male. They think some ‘god’ made them special. The destruction they have cause on planet earth.
Christian Nationalism? What? Nationalism comes from nation, root word natal. It can only be ethnos or racial. All else makes no sense.
Jehu slaughtered people. Hosea 1:4-5.
Is Deevers the politician who ran on abolishing abortion and then waffled once elected?
No. Your confusing him with every other Republican candidate. They pander, while Democrats are more open and honest in their hatred of God and of the Bible.
What is “red pill?” Is that from the transgender movie “The Matrix?”
Red Pill is indeed borrowed from The Matrix movie. And the term Red Pill is only a place holder term until a more accurate term becomes available. So, where by through observation and experience one comes to the realization (and conclusion) that the belief system they once held is not entirely true. And that the magnitude and degree of how wrong they were is directly proportional to the amount of trauma that occurs in its wake.
Red Pill is a praxeology. Not an ideology. Not a philosophy. And not a movement.
That said, in the context RP presented here, it has to do specifically with men realizing that the societal rules, checks and balances, and formula of traditional (biblical) marriage (but not necessarily marriage) is an 'old set of books' that they were taught. This 'old set of books' was replaced with a 'new set of books' brought about by unfettered hypergamy and we now have a gyno-centric social order which is the feminine.
Eric did an extremely poor job straight away (even mocking) in describing the RP. The question and his answer appears very much like a setup to discredit one of the more rigorously studied aspects of our human psychology by using binary extreme and using an outlier as an example. Exceptions don't make the rule (except for Jesus. Lol! But I digress).
Brian did a much better job and was much closer to describing RP. One of the things he was incorrect about is that RP is new and reactionary. Man-to-sphere was a name originally meant to be derogatory and belittling but was adopted for a time (and so nullifying) and is now more like a man-o-swamp.
So I can't blame Eric or Brian too much based on the majority of RP content being produced. If one is actually interested in learning more, and I don't really recommend it (because you can't un-take the red pill. You can't un-know. You have been warned.) then read "The Rational Male" by Rollo Tomassi and his subsequent books. And read "Why Women Have Sex" by Dr David Buss and Cindy Meston. And check out James Sexton interviews on RUclips.
The other guys really didn't know much or enough to speak on it. Which is why the whole video quickly moved to away from RP. Plus, to discuss Red Pill in actual is to discuss very uncomfortable truths about humanity, our loved ones, then ultimately ourselves. There are very few prophets and many many more sheep ("we like sheep have gone astray").
Finally, I am a Christian and desciple of Jesus the Christ. I am for marriage as God intended. I cannot recommend how we do marriage now. It has become an unconscionable contract. The above is a result of years of study from Evo-psych, Evo-biology, biblical study (and Bible school), my own experience (divorced after married 20 years and 2 kids then "zeroed out" through The Divorce Machine known as family law), the observation of my friends and acquaintances getting zeroed out, and certainly not least knowing a few men who have un-alived themselves because the dissonance of their RP moment was extreme.
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Follow your leader.
Dusty Deevers is such a Chad
One reason why God will not bless this movement is because it is rooted in the exercise of power. Christ did not lord it over his disciples. He gave them an example of how to live a life of love. He was intoxicated with love, not power. The moment Christians meet together to discuss the exercise of power, the Spirit of God has left the room.
Allie, Beth’s life teaches Christian women to get out there and fight the culture wars. She puts her own children in daycare, she called it preschool. She is not a good example of a gentle and quiet spirit that women today need. Check out Backwoods Belief podcast episode titled “Allie Beth Moore.” I’m so concerned that she was propped up as an authority on Christian women. I would rather look to Elizabeth Elliott, or a pastor wife, with a true gentle and quiet spirit.
That's the problem Doug! Allie Beth isn't going to ever just go home and make some sourdough! She likes eating of the bread of idleness. She actually likes it. And her husband approves it, "so it's okay " right?!
@@jenniferflower9265 "maids, cooks, laundry maids and cleaning servants. The wife’s job is simply to have babies, look beautiful, maybe some outings for watercolor classes. She would have milk maids to nurse the babies, and put them to bed. And yes, to eat the sourdough made by the maid"
And where, in scripture, do you get any of that?
Theyre both workers and servants. That's how marriage works. She does her job and he does his job. She serves by providing food, a stable clean household, he serves by providing the income necessary to do that, and likely the physical projects like building things, repairing things, etc.
When Paul was writing to Titus and Timothy, did the believers have maids, cooks, etc? That's just a silly thing to say.
The woman submits to the man, the man loves the woman and submits to God. That's the biblically prescribed roles. The man is responsible to God for leading his family, she is responsible to God to be a faithful helper in that mission.
If you don't like that, your problem is with God and His Word.
To go against the grain here, I agree.
@@jenniferflower9265Go re-read Proverbs 31.
You guys don’t live in the same world as Paul , your women aren’t making cheese or butter ,milking the cow , growing the garden , fermented vegetables. Butcher the meat ,make yarn, spinning wool , sewing , make clothes, packing water, all the chores that the family had to preformed to survive ,chopping wood,working livestock, put up hay ,for the most part None of us are dependent upon these activities for survival, all while having to depend on daylight hrs to operate and to make light for that darkness another chore, your women don’t have to spend their time in those necessary survival task ,but go head buy their necessities with their wages which is a whole lot easier than yesterday years inconvenient method of make it yourself, duties of survival have changed through history, but what hasn’t changed is the image of God Husband/wife, Father/Mother ,the begotten child, his name shall be called The Lord our Righteousness Jeremiah 23:6 ,She shall be called the Lord our Righteousness Jeremiah 33:16
Beg to differ. Do some research on the Roman Empire. Most roman citizens and greeks at that time lived very similar lives to modern society in regards to the necessary tasks they had to complete for survival. Other than the slaves, which was a large amount of people, the romans lived a pretty relaxed life.
How would not living in the world of Paul change scriptures call for women and their role?
One example:
3 Older women likewise are to be reverent in behavior, not slanderers or slaves to much wine. They are to teach what is good, 4 and so train the young women to love their husbands and children, 5 to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be reviled.
This applies today, even if the aren't butchering animals or splitting wood, seeing as how neither of those things (or any specific activity) is prescribed. "Working at home" can be many things. Cleaning, cooking, homeschooling, "side hustle" type jobs if she's fulfilling her role already and just has the time/desire to do more. This is such a weird argument, I'm not even sure what you're arguing for.
Women to work outside the home instead inside?
@@MansterBear Every one’s got to be reverent , not be filled with to much wine . My point was self reliance in my Grandma day, she didn’t need the system, our women in churches today are in big trouble, they don’t know how to butcher chicken , in Paul’s day I bet you that most women did. Women stay home and watch TV instead of filling there day with constructive enhancements, there’s a better way then a wife stored away in the house with kids by herself. While the man goes off and works
@@patrickkrueger8768 So we are in trouble, because women are not butchering chickens?
@@stryker5573 you said it right SLAVES, more slaves then citizens, just imagine having a extra body how easy thing would be
We, the body of Christ, should be talking about the toxic trend of guys with large beards, taking selfies, while drinking Whiskey and smoking cigars while studying the Word.
Yes, because that will surely be the downfall of the church and the entirety of Western Civilization.
I'm with you on the taking selfies part. The rest isn't a problem, given biblical restrictions like no drunkenness.
Maybe the concern about taking selfies should be addressed to the whole church. The other issues are not a problem biblically so long as the prohibition of drunkenness is followed.
That being said, surely there are far more important issues the body of Christ should be focused on.
@@MansterBear The rest is absolutely and unequivocally a huge a problem, more now than in Paul's days where there was no facebook and no Instagram or tiktok or whatever, and many children with access to these platforms.
You publicize it and you live such life and you will for sure make the mistake to be a stumbling block for many.
The saddest part is, we are so disconnected from each other that you have no clue who is being abused from the effects or who is abusing Gods resources, for the sake of an expensive fashion, for what?
The issue needs to be consider highly, the conscience needs to be informed and educated in the body.
@@elmerfudd2402 Same comment and posted on the brother before you
The rest is absolutely and unequivocally a huge a problem, more now than in Paul's days where there was no facebook and no Instagram or tiktok or whatever, and many children with access to these platforms.
You publicize it and you live such life and you will for sure make the mistake to be a stumbling block for many.
The saddest part is, we are so disconnected from each other that you have no clue who is being abused from the effects or who is abusing Gods resources, for the sake of an expensive fashion, for what?
The issue needs to be considered highly, the conscience needs to be informed and educated in the body.
The problem with allowing a religious sect to take over and impose their theology as the only theology allowed by a government is that it denies the basic human right of being able to choose for oneself who you will follow this day.
It is no different than King Nebuchadnezzar demanding that Jews obey his god instead of their own. Certainly with freedom people don’t always choose what we want them to, but even the Bible says that “broad is the road that leads to destruction“. To your best to be a role model, but if you think that you are going to force people through the straight and narrow by the power of the state, you are incredibly mistaken.
These so-called pastors are just charlatans pretending to understand Christ, but entirely missing his actual message. Oh I heard here was how terrible the United States is with its freedom and it’s incredibly blessed in the world, but why don’t you spend a year living in the Roman Empire if you hate the culture of the United States so much. These are spoiled brats who don’t understand that in this country we have the freedom to preach the gospel more so than we have had freedom ever in the history of the human race. But yet they complain. I don’t know if you’ve read the Bible, but it says that the world has fallen, and these guys act like if they can only have their way, that the world can be good. There is only one that is good and that is God himself.
These guys are incredibly off-base with their theology and ideology. And it is so disappointing. Just because the so-called other side is wrong doesn’t make these guys right.
SBC... abolish it or reform it. Reform doesn't seem to be working.
Are you planning to go kamikaze on the convention?
@@rockycomet4587 What? It's a request by a long time Southern Baptist that is disgusted by the hiding and downplaying of the sexual misconduct inside the SBC, the deterioration of the fabric of the Baptist doctrine, the hypocrisy of having women pastors, and the divisiveness of the new woke ideology pervading the pulpits. You can't find a faithful pastor with a spine in a 1000 mile radius. Literally have to hunt for sound doctrine and manly pastors that don't wear little boy pants, like a needle in a haystack.
There's only one king that's Jesus..not a Christian prince
That's true, but that isn't what they are saying at all. Or do you think David, Solomon, Josiah, etc, were not crowned kings? Jesus is not just the king, but He is the King of kings! That statement alone says there are more kings than Christ, but rather that Jesus is King over all other kings.
@Soulja4ChristWeAreAtWar we don't have a crowned Christian king for a reason considering our history with monarchies and the Christian violence between imperial protestant and catholic kings and queens...jesus ain't no Christian king.
@@matrixlone they are speaking about it as an example from Scripture. As an example of the type of leadership we need in America. Duh.
"Jesus is king and that's why we need to have a non Christian secular pagan king over us."
...what? Talk about a novel, post world war 2 view.
@@Soulja4ChristWeAreAtWar we don't need a potential antichrist....
Can't wait for these reformers to get everything ready so they can let the Lord know He can come back and take over since the Lord of Lords & King of Kings isn't strong enough to do it Himself!! I guess Paul should have written in Colossians that in Him everything is held together 'with the help of reformers"! So, as I look around the world for the signs Jesus told us to look for, I'm not sure these clowns are doing a very good job at getting everything ready for Jesus.
Conn looks like a conman
I wonder if anyone on this panel has ever thought about the possibility that they could be wrong about some things... From this discussion I doubt it. It seems they belive they are infallible much like god.
God gave us free will. The govt shouldn’t try to override that. I’m sure you all will let people worship on Sunday pretending it’s the Sabbath, so whose laws are you planning on using?
God also enacts justice against those that sin against Him and others. That is the role of the government, to enact justice for God on earth in his kingdom. Free will doesn't mean God gave man the right to do whatever he wants without consequence.
So when people have the "free will" to do horrible things, the govt shouldn't override that? Or do you break consistency when it comes to that?
Also, I see man's will is enslaved to sin in scripture. I didn't see anything about free will though. Just an enslaved one. Slaves to sin or slaves to Christ.
@@stryker5573 that’s true. The justice of God isn’t always what we would expect tho. Consider King of Judah vs Babylon. The Babylonians didn’t follow Gods commands yet he used them. If we think about Daniel & the boys, they didn’t follow the govt worship either.
@@MansterBear the entire premise of America is based off of free will from God- not the govt
@@Blytheface Ok. Not sure how that relates to what scripture says about our will, or how that answers the question of "the govt shouldn't override that will" when it comes to people's will to do bad things.
Do you think the govt should try to override the free will of a murderer?
It would be very beneficial I believe, if all of the guys on this panel were also joined by their wives and to allow the women to say what they think.
Half of them have podcasts either with their wives or their wives writing or talking solo, and you can find their opinions thus.
I'm curious why you think it would be a good idea for sharing this venue in particular, though?
Is there an issue with God's design for male leadership?
The opinions of their wives frankly doesn't matter since God has already established the only relevant position on the subject.
Going on the assumption that their wives are regenerate believers, their input would only be redundant.
They'd tell you the same things. Go read Nancy Wilson's books, you will get the same message that Doug Wilson says, which is what scripture says.
Yall dead wrong on end times. But love the gender roles material. TRUTH!!!!!
If you are right on end times, then there is no reason to get married or have children since we'll all get on the rapture bus any day soon and everyone else will just suffer horrible tribulation.
They are thinking about gender roles and building families, churches, schools, businesses, and city-states for their children's children only because of their eschatology.
Silly and snarky. The tone is unserious and off putting to outsiders
Somehow I don't think this message is intended for "outsiders". Well, maybe with the exception of "outsiders" playing "church".
This dude just revealed himself.
Hilarious
A whole lot of empty words
Joel talking about grifting and the person not true in heart and helping himself which describes Trump. lol the hypocrisy
Once again, a whole panel of men telling us what women should be.
You mean like when God, self identifying as Father, defines what women should be and wrote about it?
"...panel of men telling us what..." scripture says about men and women.
Once again, a feminist pretending to be a Christian, getting triggered by white men.
Once again, a woman complaining about men discussing their beliefs.
This chick is hilarious.
Oh Lord. The Goon Squad in force.
*The 5 points of CALVINISM summarized:*
*1.* "God" in his sovereignty creates 100 souls that hate him, totally depraved although they bear his image.
*2.* Before giving them life, he lovingly chooses 96 to be in hell forever.
*3.* In his infinite mercy he sends “His Son” to die for the other 4 that remain. Those whom he has chosen, because he is sovereign, because he wants to.
*4.* "God", with great love, forces the 4 to believe in his “Son”.
*5* Finally, two of them finished the race well, one ended up tied to pornography and another, getting entangled in sin, ended up worse than he was. But “God” forces them all to enter in Heaven.
If God says that he has died for all, *it is that he has died for all:*
*Isaiah 53:6* ; *John 1:29* ; *John 3:16,17* ; *John 4:42* ; *2 Corinthians 5:14,15* ; *Romans 5:18* ;
*1 Timothy 2:6* ; *1 Timothy 4:10,11* ; *Titus **2:11* ; *1 John 2:2* ; *John 12:47* ; *1 John 4:14* ; *Hebrews 2:9* …etc
Let us be very very careful, lest we be found liars before God.
Ugh, where does one even begin...
@@rockycomet4587 try
I will pay top dollar for u to debate james white. goated
@@throwawaypt2throwawaypt2-xp8nx When you know you are in the truth you are not scared of anyone.
@@elsamusoy ur right, then u shouldn't be scared to debate him
what a joke....how about doing a panel on radical feminism and neo Marxism!!!!!
Weakness in church leadership and the church's influence on society are major contributors to those issues. Seems they're focusing in the right area to start correcting these.
All feminism is radical
The Taliban.
Lol! Allahu akbar.
The problem with allowing a religious sect to take over and impose their theology as the only theology allowed by a government is that it denies the basic human right of being able to choose for oneself who you will follow this day.
It is no different than King Nebuchadnezzar demanding that Jews obey his god instead of their own. Certainly with freedom people don’t always choose what we want them to, but even the Bible says that “broad is the road that leads to destruction“. To your best to be a role model, but if you think that you are going to force people through the straight and narrow by the power of the state, you are incredibly mistaken.
These so-called pastors are just charlatans pretending to understand Christ, but entirely missing his actual message. Oh I heard here was how terrible the United States is with its freedom and it’s incredibly blessed in the world, but why don’t you spend a year living in the Roman Empire if you hate the culture of the United States so much. These are spoiled brats who don’t understand that in this country we have the freedom to preach the gospel more so than we have had freedom ever in the history of the human race. But yet they complain. I don’t know if you’ve read the Bible, but it says that the world has fallen, and these guys act like if they can only have their way, that the world can be good. There is only one that is good and that is God himself.
These guys are incredibly off-base with their theology and ideology. And it is so disappointing. Just because the so-called other side is wrong doesn’t make these guys right.