As an airline Captain I can say those pilots performed maneuvers that we don’t practice on the simulator! To think so fast out of the box is a skill that only few pilots have! Congrats to them
Also, keeping that level of cool on the captains voice when he was reporting the near miss to the tower controller is indicative of total badassery going on in that cockpit! He's likely former military (or used to driving a car in places like New Delhi, Jakarta or Manila 😁).
Executing rotation before VR is fraught with peril but when you are out of options, it makes perfect sense to get past the obstacle and then get the nose down to continue increasing airspeed. When boring is best and routine the most safe operation, jet jockeys can handle this situation - trained or not. I imagine there was ample adrenaline on the flight deck of the Denver-bound flight. This is when learning fundamentals of piloting pays off. Well done by all - controllers notwithstanding. I bet they felt pretty awful.
If you really are smart enough to be an airline captian, why are you not smart enough to spot these videos as the computer generated sick fantasies that they are? If they really happened as horrendous as portrayed they would have been on every major news channel for days.
No matter how many times I hear that pilot say, "Don't worry we got him" it gives me chills. The confidence in his abilities to pull off a million to one maneuver.
Just speculating here, but the guy probably knew their take-off weight - and every other relevant parameter, in his head. Like the part about not dragging the tail. Maybe he knew that XXX tons underweight meant XX fewer feet required or X fewer knots. Conversely, XXX tons overweight means XX more runway required and/or X more knots. In other words, he knew how to fly and knew his plane.
@@davesmith5656 YES...he didn't calculate, he just KNEW what that plane in that configuration would do at that exact spot. Right down to feeling where the tail would pass and adapt for it on the fly (literally). Amazing.
I wouldn't say a million to one.... You need to listen to more stories of wartime pilots.. Safety and procedure kinda goes out the window once your being shot at
Now that's how you take a win! Smooth... "just another day at the office." Theres no point losing your cool on the radio at that moment. Very aware and skilled pilots indeed.
Multiple humans as well. Airlines are considering having solo pilots to save money, but sometimes the workload is too great for one. Had the first officer in the US Airways not noticed Air Lingus there's no telling what might've happened.
@@christopherweise438 And not to mention having one pilot and that pilot having a cardiac event related to his mandated jabs. I guess the money saved by paying only one pilot per flight would make up for a pilotless plane crash once in awhile? Crazy days with the shareholder profit boosting ideas.
@@betsyj59 - This is the hell of capitalism. Happy shareholders take precedent over rational decisions. Great point about a medical emergency. How about having one mid flight? Then who lands it? The 10 year old kid sitting in 8C?
I would expletive the expletives out of my mouth and rip the controller a new one... thankfully it never ocurred to me ever thinking about learning to fly planes. I couldn't.
They’re so professional and polite like “don’t worry about that” when a single touch could kill them. What’s done is done and they maintain professionalism, calm voice and being nice. It’s pretty amazing considering what can happen.
@@UHF43 True, but adrenaline can do both good and bad things to someone. 100% respect to their professionalism, but I don't know how you wouldn't be able to not spit bullets until the adrenaline wore off. And you can't tell me those pilots didn't have that pumping through their veins watching what unfolded in front of them, they are still human after all.
So on average, they both rotated at the correct spot. Seriously, excellent airmanship on the part of both crews. The second pilot, who performed the early rotation likely took into consideration that the takeoff numbers are conservative for safety margins, and that his plane (obviously) could fly at the lower speed.
Take off too early and the wing tip (induced) drag from the nose high attitude would be excessively high and the climb rate could be reduced even to zero.
The O'Hare incident: I mean, just "WOW"!! the coolness of the pilots of the 737 is utterly incredible....a moment they don't train for but which they had to suddenly be prepared for. I hope, like the USAir pilots at Boston, they got an airmanship award because they saved the lives of all their passengers from what could have been a repeat of Tenerife.
It could have been a repeat of Tenerife, but it wouldn’t have been as bad because one was a cargo plane and the other was just a 737. So it would not have nearly as many deaths do to less passengers
Different rules apply in fog and low viz conditions (i.e., the RVR is less than the entire length of the runway). If it were foggy, oddly, those incidents would have never happened. The modern low viz rules are the direct result of what infamously happened at Tenerife.
@@johndoyle4723 I'm not nearly aggressive enough of a person to chew them out and drop F-bombs at them. However, I would have mercilessly passive-aggressived them into oblivion. "Hey, maybe next time let me know you're sending two of us off at the same time? Cool? I realize it's backed up down there, and you're trying to get everybody on their way, but I'd just like to know so I can plan accordingly. You know, make sure I have my head on a swivel, maybe rotate a little early, contact the fire trucks ahead of time, update my will and testament, and tell my family I love them. The basics."
Can you imagine being on one of those flights and as you're taking off, see another plane go by right underneath you? I'd probably be thanking the high and mighty that I didn't just become another Tenerife disaster!
After takeoff, that one passenger aircraft had to circle the airport to give flight crew and passengers the time to shake the shit out of their drawers!
Blows my mind, the rapid precise decision making under extreme pressure pilots are able to exercise ✌️💯 In just seconds the USAW pilots were able to estimate with precision the timing of AL’s rotation, then immediately kept the plane grounded waiting for AL to pass over while watching their runway get shorter and shorter hahahaha…. Dude took off with like 1000 ft of runway left… Masterful airmanship ❤️✌️💯
I could never be a pilot because if I were in my airplane on the runway having received clearance for take-off I would keep on asking the controller "But are you sure this runway is clear? "But are you REALLY sure this runway is clear?" "How do you know that this runway is clear?" I'd never get off the ground.
Bro the fact that the 737 pilot had the guts to say “Don’t worry we got him” is incredible. I bet he was so confident that he could’ve done it with his eyes closed.
*Captain "Don't Worry, We got him."* Calm, Cool, Confident. If there were any pilots I'd want to fly with, it would be these pilots who were true professionals avoiding these crashes and calmy doing so.
Marvellous! Man! What an awesome video! You are a genius and so is the captain who rotated early and saved the two planes, their respective crew and passengers!
The thought he was about to see a couple hundred people go up in flames. Loss of employment aside, nobody would have an easy time coping with such a sight.
The pilot knew the capability of the airplane and his ability to fly it. He used all that knowledge and calculated that what he was going to do would work. When he made the statement it was professionalism at its finest moment.
Great job by the pilots to be self aware and avoid a catastrophic collision. It's nice to know these pilots are competent enough to make wise decisions in stressful situations. The graphics are so realistic that I feel like I'm on board the plane going somewhere on vacation.
Nope. Having overloaded, inept or inexperienced tower controllers is asking for trouble. These tower people are standing next to each other. For a big, busy airport, intersecting runways is essential. As are competent tower controllers.
When you have a location with more than one common wind direction, and limited real estate, it tends to be the only option. That's where tower controllers come in. I'd love to know more about what happened to those numbskulls working the towers in BOS and ORD.
During my previous work in aviation industry, many times I was threatened for my own decision making and not following SOP. If the pilot had not taken decisive action, how many people would have died. People sitting on top doesn’t even know ground reality. Thanks for your wonderful videos
Superb video production. I subscribed years ago and I remember the quality lacking a bit back then. It has improved 100-fold. Cudos! Keep up the great work! Yours is the best aviation channel on YT!
Wow! WE got a double today! I didn't expect that! Nice! As always, amazing work with the simulator and video editor and for the double incident episode. Really good! (btw, I still miss the old song but because it was just incidents... Maybe not as appropriate)
Despite the obvious danger and potential loss of life, officials from both Logan and O'Hare airports rejected the NTSB's recommendations. Asked why, the Director of Logan stated "Why?!? Did you see how wicked cool that looked?!?? I'd like to make that maneuver a nightly thing!"
I remember a friend's boyfriend saying he was in that Boston flight and telling the story about seeing the other jet approaching them. We all thought it was bs, didn't believe that would happen nowadays with all the technology now.
As I was watching the Boston incident, I immediately thought of the Chicago incident (which is a repeat on this channel). United 1015 is by far my favorite incident; the confidence of the captain is great. When driving I Sometimes I feel like him in a much smaller scale; my wife sometimes grabs my arm and says “watch out for that truck!”, I like to reply “Don’t worry, I got him!”😁. I fly too, but not enough hours to have the same confidence as when driving.
Great video as always. You are so into the details. The TAP aircraft (Portuguese airline) parked at Logan’s Terminal was a great touch considering the sizeable Portuguese community that lives in Boston. Thumbs up.
"Hi, welcome to Jack in the Box, how can I help you?" ...Actually, they probably wind up doing trucking company dispatch or something, making much less than an ATC.
@@grmpEqweer Likely retrained. I don't think they'd be fired. There are a few stories of pilots causing actual crashes and they didn't lost their job. The Airline industry is one that expects mistakes and uses them to better teach the person who made the mistake, and future people in that position. Of course assuming they aren't making blatant mistakes and showing no improvement.
Great Cockpit Resource Management and situational awareness at a time when the majority of the attention is concentrated in the cockpit for takeoff. Fortunately disaster was averted because of alert pilots recognizing what was happening. The main conclusion is that there was a lesson learned and actions were taken to avoid an error like this in the future. Great video!
I was aware since 2005 or 2006 of the Boston Logan Int'l near miss but it's the first time I learn about the Chicago O'Hare incident which was an even closer near miss.... Yoohooo Scary 🤪 but that won't deter me from flying LoL.... Thanks @TheFlightChannel for those extremely well made re-creations... Top Notch as usual 👍🏻
These are some incredible pilots!! So happy any collision was avoided! The pilot from O'Hare probably should have gotten special recognition, too. In both cases, the collisions would have been the air traffic controller's fault. And at O'Hare he had extra help. Hmmm. Thank you for another great presentation!
As scary as both of these events were, to me, it demonstrates how much safer flying is than any form of transportation. In the US they are thinking about taking one of the pilots out of the cockpit to save money, and because of a pilot shortage. I feel like this is another example of how bad an idea it is to take a plot out of the cockpit!
ilovetotri23: Especially given the workload on commercial jets, and how the pilot flying and the pilot monitoring divvy up a LOT of tasks. And if one human has a big problem like a heart attack, it's good to have another to fly the plane. For commercial jets, I hope the flying public simply doesn't put up with that, but knowing how people are, they probably will. And another thing is troubleshooting -- you need a pilot to FLY THE DAMN PLANE while the other goes through troubleshooting and analysis.
Is there any particular reason why the controllers don't use some sort of mutual exclusion system (e.g. a token for each intersection that is either in an unused position or in a position for one of the runways)?
It's likely that Boston is, at certain times of the day, clearing flights to take off just so frequently that they'd spend more time moving the token back and forth.
A system like this could also be totally digital as a failsafe for human mistakes. How that has not been implemented in every airport is completely beyond me.
Both of those are scarcer than hell. What a MESS those 2 incidents were. I wonder just how many other near misses there are each and every day?? Too frightening to think about.
I watch a spotter channel (Tampa International) and frequently, pilots are told to "line up and wait" - so busy there is little chance of a rogue authorization to create such a story as these two incidents. Can only hope these types of incidents are becoming more rare -but heaven help us if there are fewer pilots in the cockpit. Never know how many saves there are in real life today!
I remember both incidents, both "code brown" incidents in my book. The FAA classified these as Category As. After the 2006 KORD (O'Hare) incident, The FAA began recommending that major airports install and use Runway Status Lights (RWSLs) to help prevent these incidents from happening. Almost all major US airports (in terms of traffic) now have them, including KORD. Unfortunately, the FAA has fallen short of making these systems mandatory, but chose to instead make it an opt-in program. Sadly, we are just one major catastrophe away until the FAA decides to make them mandatory installations in Class B and Class C airfields. This is the usual Modus Operandi of the FAA. As a side note, today, if you fly into or out of well-know major airports in the US and abroad, chances are high that you're being protected by these incredible systems.
Flying Jackal: From watching various accident videos / documentaries, far too many have occurred because airports had KNOWN broken equipment, lights, etc. for months or even years. Or didn't take recommended actions to prevent such problems for YEARS. I don't think such things should be voluntary beyond some reasonable interval.
Great CRM on the first subject, with the First Officer telling the Captain to "Take down", and he did, and they all survived! This is what CRM is about!
I just googled to find comparisons to what 35 feet is, basically a length of a normal city bus or three story building. Like, that was close.. very close. Kudos to the Pilot.
Nice of them to wait for traffic to clear the intersection where they cross, I never would have thought of that. The US Airway was lucky he didn't run out of real estate and end up going for a swim, it's not like Boston has long runways.
Was it the controller yelling, "stop! stop! stop!" literally moments before a collision would've occurred if it wasn't for the two pilots taking off? Little late for that...
Controllers who commit errors undergo retraining. If the controller just makes a mistake, and is not intentionally trying to cause an incident, then punishment would be useless. The controller is not trying to cause a collision, but it would be useful to know why the error occurred in the first place. If investigators become aware of the cause of the error, then it is more likely that improvements can be made to make the error less likely to occur in the future. However, if someone knows that there is a chance that he/she is going to be punished for a non-malicious error, then he/she may be less likely to be forthcoming about the incident.
@@Eternal_Tech No need to soft soap them. Many of those I hear of on YT are arrogant sob's and their attitude is dangerous before they even start to speak. They are supposed to be professional. Every passenger is entitled to have a safe ride and runways crossing each other and arrogant nasty controllers deny them that. There is no such thing as a non malicious error. Accidentally killing or nearly 600 people requires a demonstration of extreme force and deterrence.
Stupendous airmanship both crew. The teamwork and knowledge of the F/O and Captain of the first one. The F/O knew exactly what needed to be done to prevent a crash and the Captain performed it. And huge kudos to the second Captain for his composure and stopping any further jabbering about it.
Thank god it was a little 737 taking off in the path of the jumbo. Anything bigger and it would have been a real disaster. Thank you for another great video and for reinstating the CAPITOL letters!!! 💕💕💕💕
I agree about the old font coming back.....but if I'm not mistaken, this video is a hybrid of two older ones, which is why we were spared the elementary-school manuscript font. Oh well.
“Boston tower, this is USAIRWAYS 1170, I’ve got a number for you, advise when ready to copy?” By the way, starting at 11:50, the diagrams and the animation are completely wrong if indeed the 747 was cleared to runway 14. The diagram shows the 747 coming into runway 22. Not sure if you got the cleared runway or the animation wrong, but one of the two is certainly wrong.
Those are some damn calm-sounding radio calls, not a hint of adrenaline in the voices of men who had just come incredibly close to death. Impressive quick thinking and professionalism.
With respects to the first one it’s ok to forget to turn your oven off, or forget to turn the bath off but to forget giving an airplane clearance to takeoff is just mindblowing
There has been a lot of airplane incidents lately, I keep up... there are a lot of takeoffs that have been returning with problems...looking forward to seeing more vids!!!😊😊
While I understand and appreciate the reason for splitting control towers into zones, situational awareness can still suffer. While the recommendation to change runway lighting is useful, it might be better to install displays in each ATC zone showing each controller what the other controller is doing. If, for some reason, the controller shortage at a given tower is severe (controllers out sick, on vacation, retired and not replaced), then the airport should consider closing the runways overseen by one zone rather than dumping that responsibility on an already overworked controller in the other zone.
there is already a system at most airport to monitor aircraft and alarm atc but in these cases , this is going so fast that having red lights looks very useful so the plane can just ask why are these lights red...which should prevent some cases (ie adding a layer to the cheese model.....)
Thank you for making these fascinating videos. I have no knowledge about flying other than being a passenger, but it really makes me think more about what these pilots have to do and how important experience is - and how there are no shortcuts for training someone to be that good.
“Don’t worry we got him” he has balls of steel.
My thoughts exactly.
Prob. ex Air Force pilot.
I yelled.
BIG ones at that!!
@@martinloyd8416 Ohhh.., so _that's_ why the pilots seats have that split in the middle?!
As an airline Captain I can say those pilots performed maneuvers that we don’t practice on the simulator! To think so fast out of the box is a skill that only few pilots have! Congrats to them
Also, keeping that level of cool on the captains voice when he was reporting the near miss to the tower controller is indicative of total badassery going on in that cockpit! He's likely former military (or used to driving a car in places like New Delhi, Jakarta or Manila 😁).
“Don’t worry, we got him.” I was having a heart attack watching the simulation.
Executing rotation before VR is fraught with peril but when you are out of options, it makes perfect sense to get past the obstacle and then get the nose down to continue increasing airspeed. When boring is best and routine the most safe operation, jet jockeys can handle this situation - trained or not. I imagine there was ample adrenaline on the flight deck of the Denver-bound flight. This is when learning fundamentals of piloting pays off. Well done by all - controllers notwithstanding. I bet they felt pretty awful.
If you really are smart enough to be an airline captian, why are you not smart enough to spot these videos as the computer generated sick fantasies that they are? If they really happened as horrendous as portrayed they would have been on every major news channel for days.
Former military pilots are often the best, especially if they’ve flown combat.
No matter how many times I hear that pilot say, "Don't worry we got him" it gives me chills. The confidence in his abilities to pull off a million to one maneuver.
Just speculating here, but the guy probably knew their take-off weight - and every other relevant parameter, in his head. Like the part about not dragging the tail. Maybe he knew that XXX tons underweight meant XX fewer feet required or X fewer knots. Conversely, XXX tons overweight means XX more runway required and/or X more knots. In other words, he knew how to fly and knew his plane.
@@davesmith5656 YES...he didn't calculate, he just KNEW what that plane in that configuration would do at that exact spot. Right down to feeling where the tail would pass and adapt for it on the fly (literally). Amazing.
@@roberthoffhines5419 Give or take 34 feet.
I wouldn't say a million to one.... You need to listen to more stories of wartime pilots..
Safety and procedure kinda goes out the window once your being shot at
Now that's how you take a win! Smooth... "just another day at the office."
Theres no point losing your cool on the radio at that moment. Very aware and skilled pilots indeed.
It proves how important it is to have humans in the cockpit.
So ATC can be imbeciles?
Multiple humans as well. Airlines are considering having solo pilots to save money, but sometimes the workload is too great for one. Had the first officer in the US Airways not noticed Air Lingus there's no telling what might've happened.
Artificial intelligence isn't advanced enough quite yet, and I'd argue for a synergy between AI and human cognition.
AI is ultimately alien.
@@christopherweise438 And not to mention having one pilot and that pilot having a cardiac event related to his mandated jabs. I guess the money saved by paying only one pilot per flight would make up for a pilotless plane crash once in awhile? Crazy days with the shareholder profit boosting ideas.
@@betsyj59 - This is the hell of capitalism. Happy shareholders take precedent over rational decisions.
Great point about a medical emergency. How about having one mid flight? Then who lands it? The 10 year old kid sitting in 8C?
"for the record there was a near miss at take off" the captain said it in a calm voice, just for the record 😁
I would expletive the expletives out of my mouth and rip the controller a new one... thankfully it never ocurred to me ever thinking about learning to fly planes. I couldn't.
The NTSB was unable to determine how the 737 was able to rotate so fast considering the massive weight of the pilot's balls
Ain't that the truth. "Don't worry we got him" says the Captain.
lolol! good point!
Lol. Trudat!
Ahh, I never get sick of titanium ball jokes.
lol 😂 yey
They’re so professional and polite like “don’t worry about that” when a single touch could kill them. What’s done is done and they maintain professionalism, calm voice and being nice. It’s pretty amazing considering what can happen.
Yelling at someone has never improved any situation.
@@UHF43 True, but adrenaline can do both good and bad things to someone. 100% respect to their professionalism, but I don't know how you wouldn't be able to not spit bullets until the adrenaline wore off. And you can't tell me those pilots didn't have that pumping through their veins watching what unfolded in front of them, they are still human after all.
We almost crashed! 😱
Roger. 👌🏻 😂
Ikr? I'd like to see the CVR transcripts, got to be at least one "Sh*t!" lol
Wow! the crews of both 737s saved the day. One delayed his take off, the other lifted his plane early
So on average, they both rotated at the correct spot. Seriously, excellent airmanship on the part of both crews. The second pilot, who performed the early rotation likely took into consideration that the takeoff numbers are conservative for safety margins, and that his plane (obviously) could fly at the lower speed.
Take off too early and the wing tip (induced) drag from the nose high attitude would be excessively high and the climb rate could be reduced even to zero.
Yeah the pilots on both ends did great, I thought the second one could have been a tail strike but it wasn’t
ahhh 737, king of the skies
The O'Hare incident: I mean, just "WOW"!! the coolness of the pilots of the 737 is utterly incredible....a moment they don't train for but which they had to suddenly be prepared for. I hope, like the USAir pilots at Boston, they got an airmanship award because they saved the lives of all their passengers from what could have been a repeat of Tenerife.
It could have been a repeat of Tenerife, but it wouldn’t have been as bad because one was a cargo plane and the other was just a 737. So it would not have nearly as many deaths do to less passengers
If that had been a foggy day . . . .
As in Tenerife...
Would have been a very different story !
@@Mephisto707 You beat me to it
Different rules apply in fog and low viz conditions (i.e., the RVR is less than the entire length of the runway). If it were foggy, oddly, those incidents would have never happened. The modern low viz rules are the direct result of what infamously happened at Tenerife.
@@Mephisto707same conditions for the Linate incident
I like how that first US airways pilot got on the radio to tell the tower essentially "Hey, can you not?"
Think I would have been more aggressive and thrown in a few "F" words as well.
@@johndoyle4723 I'm not nearly aggressive enough of a person to chew them out and drop F-bombs at them. However, I would have mercilessly passive-aggressived them into oblivion.
"Hey, maybe next time let me know you're sending two of us off at the same time? Cool? I realize it's backed up down there, and you're trying to get everybody on their way, but I'd just like to know so I can plan accordingly. You know, make sure I have my head on a swivel, maybe rotate a little early, contact the fire trucks ahead of time, update my will and testament, and tell my family I love them. The basics."
@@johndoyle4723 I mean, maybe the situation calls for it, but these are public radio frequencies and it's not worth the fine.
Tower's response: "Thanks for letting me know I just lost my job."
@@pokes404 the 747 was landing, not taking off.
Can you imagine being on one of those flights and as you're taking off, see another plane go by right underneath you? I'd probably be thanking the high and mighty that I didn't just become another Tenerife disaster!
Probably would be even scarier for the one on the ground, seeing the plane coming at you full speed
Can you imagine being the controller and realizing you nearly killed several hundred people by a human error?
My thoughts exactly, BUT I think the 747 was cargo and other was 737
@@Max-cu6bwml plolķkmj
After takeoff, that one passenger aircraft had to circle the airport to give flight crew and passengers the time to shake the shit out of their drawers!
The US Air crew in the first story are champs. And the pilot in the second one who's just like "don't worry, we got him"...amazing
Blows my mind, the rapid precise decision making under extreme pressure pilots are able to exercise ✌️💯
In just seconds the USAW pilots were able to estimate with precision the timing of AL’s rotation, then immediately kept the plane grounded waiting for AL to pass over while watching their runway get shorter and shorter hahahaha…. Dude took off with like 1000 ft of runway left…
Masterful airmanship ❤️✌️💯
Superior Airmanship award doesn't begin to cover it. Phenomenal nerves of steel. Heroic concentration.
I could never be a pilot because if I were in my airplane on the runway having received clearance for take-off I would keep on asking the controller "But are you sure this runway is clear? "But are you REALLY sure this runway is clear?" "How do you know that this runway is clear?" I'd never get off the ground.
This. One of my biggest anxiety symptoms is overthinking.
Im having a heart attack while watching a computer simulation, and the captain is just like "don't worry we got him." Amazing
Bro the fact that the 737 pilot had the guts to say “Don’t worry we got him” is incredible. I bet he was so confident that he could’ve done it with his eyes closed.
That's how I would have done it... With my eyes closed, so I didn't have to witness the carnage!
@@JCDofNYC fax
Fighter pilot or something
@@atama01 fax
I suspect that his teeth were clenched and his anus was puckered when he said it.
*Captain "Don't Worry, We got him."* Calm, Cool, Confident.
If there were any pilots I'd want to fly with, it would be these pilots who were true professionals avoiding these crashes and calmy doing so.
Marvellous! Man! What an awesome video!
You are a genius and so is the captain who rotated early and saved the two planes, their respective crew and passengers!
God knows what the other pilots were thinking !
@@malcolmhardwick4258 wasn’t the aer Lingus crew fault nor where they blamed
Also, back to capitalised font. Weird, but it makes me feel better.
My heart dropped hearing "stop stop stop" from the controller.
That is the sound of knowing you gettin FIRED...
The thought he was about to see a couple hundred people go up in flames. Loss of employment aside, nobody would have an easy time coping with such a sight.
@@GVike He likely didn't get fired. Almost certainly retrained and potentially moved to different position, though.
"Don't worry, we got em" like a boss 😎
The pilot knew the capability of the airplane and his ability to fly it. He used all that knowledge and calculated that what he was going to do would work. When he made the statement it was professionalism at its finest moment.
wow the pilots were so calm during their transmissions. bravo!
So well done. It frightens me that we keep having 'near collisions' -- almost as if we are building up to an actual one.
Unfortunately, it's only a matter of time. Have to say I'm not a pilot, but I don't like those intersecting runways much.
Sadly it seems it takes death for things to change ☹️ like it justifies the few cents/dollars they have to spend vs safety
@@Kait-tee The video said the changes were made in both cases that had no fatalities.
@@cindyknudson2715 i was speaking in general 🤷♀️
its ridicolous since a simple computer program would prevent such accidents completly
2 great pilots, in total and full control, well done to both
Great job by the pilots to be self aware and avoid a catastrophic collision. It's nice to know these pilots are competent enough to make wise decisions in stressful situations. The graphics are so realistic that I feel like I'm on board the plane going somewhere on vacation.
Having runways that cross over each other is asking for trouble.
I said the same thing.
Nope. Having overloaded, inept or inexperienced tower controllers is asking for trouble. These tower people are standing next to each other. For a big, busy airport, intersecting runways is essential. As are competent tower controllers.
@@Blovi-qd4lhthere are plenty of “big busy airports” without intersecting runways.
all you gotta do is not clear 2 intersecting planes at the same time
When you have a location with more than one common wind direction, and limited real estate, it tends to be the only option. That's where tower controllers come in. I'd love to know more about what happened to those numbskulls working the towers in BOS and ORD.
During my previous work in aviation industry, many times I was threatened for my own decision making and not following SOP.
If the pilot had not taken decisive action, how many people would have died.
People sitting on top doesn’t even know ground reality.
Thanks for your wonderful videos
Pilots avoiding collisions, despite actions of the controllers. Bravo!
The graphics/visuals on these videos is absolutely incredible - fantastic work!
It's Microsoft flight simulator if you wanna try!
@@danishkfd Does it also do the music and airport sounds or not? I ask as I mute things until any sort of 'real atc' is played.
@@bikeny nope. It's just a flight simulator. Just plane sounds
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Who else got Anxiety watching that 737 approach that 747?
So appropriate giving these events of late. Your best video yet since there was no loss of life.
An apology from ATC rather than just "Roger" might have been an appropriate response.
He was probably in shock from the sudden realisation of his mistake.
Hard to respond when your pants are full.
@@chrisman3965 That's a Code Brown
Legal liability issues
I didn't know there had to be that much coordination at an airport until I discovered this channel
Superb video production. I subscribed years ago and I remember the quality lacking a bit back then. It has improved 100-fold. Cudos! Keep up the great work! Yours is the best aviation channel on YT!
He is reposting old videos. Here is the original video - ruclips.net/video/IGBxczHpqXk/видео.html
March 17th. 2022
Wow! WE got a double today! I didn't expect that! Nice! As always, amazing work with the simulator and video editor and for the double incident episode. Really good!
(btw, I still miss the old song but because it was just incidents... Maybe not as appropriate)
Despite the obvious danger and potential loss of life, officials from both Logan and O'Hare airports rejected the NTSB's recommendations. Asked why, the Director of Logan stated "Why?!? Did you see how wicked cool that looked?!?? I'd like to make that maneuver a nightly thing!"
Wicked awesome!
Blue cities both of them. Lots of corruption in local governments.
I’m a little nauseated from the stress! Dang, that United pilot, cool as a cucumber. I want him on our next United flight!
There have been several of these that have been published.
“Don’t worry we got him”
DAMN that was cold.
This goes to show how there is no room for error in aviation! Thanks for this video!
@@Avendesora because the pilots reacted flawlessly and didn’t make any error on their side.
I remember a friend's boyfriend saying he was in that Boston flight and telling the story about seeing the other jet approaching them. We all thought it was bs, didn't believe that would happen nowadays with all the technology now.
Sometimes the problem is between the computer and the chair
As I was watching the Boston incident, I immediately thought of the Chicago incident (which is a repeat on this channel). United 1015 is by far my favorite incident; the confidence of the captain is great. When driving I Sometimes I feel like him in a much smaller scale; my wife sometimes grabs my arm and says “watch out for that truck!”, I like to reply “Don’t worry, I got him!”😁. I fly too, but not enough hours to have the same confidence as when driving.
One of the best and most suspenseful aviation videos I ever watched on Ytube, excellent illustration of the events!!
Imagine being a passenger looking out the window. Great video.
Um, no. Let's not imagine that.
Those passengers must have been crapping themselves if they were looking out the windows. I wasn't even on the plane an my anxiety ramped up.
The author of this channel does a great job.
Great video as always. You are so into the details. The TAP aircraft (Portuguese airline) parked at Logan’s Terminal was a great touch considering the sizeable Portuguese community that lives in Boston. Thumbs up.
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35 feet is shocking. For planes that is really close to each other.
So what happens to these controllers that royally screw up?
"Hi, welcome to Jack in the Box, how can I help you?"
...Actually, they probably wind up doing trucking company dispatch or something, making much less than an ATC.
@@grmpEqweer Likely retrained. I don't think they'd be fired. There are a few stories of pilots causing actual crashes and they didn't lost their job. The Airline industry is one that expects mistakes and uses them to better teach the person who made the mistake, and future people in that position. Of course assuming they aren't making blatant mistakes and showing no improvement.
Great Cockpit Resource Management and situational awareness at a time when the majority of the attention is concentrated in the cockpit for takeoff. Fortunately disaster was averted because of alert pilots recognizing what was happening. The main conclusion is that there was a lesson learned and actions were taken to avoid an error like this in the future. Great video!
situational awareness? And imbecile ATCS
I was aware since 2005 or 2006 of the Boston Logan Int'l near miss but it's the first time I learn about the Chicago O'Hare incident which was an even closer near miss.... Yoohooo Scary 🤪 but that won't deter me from flying LoL.... Thanks @TheFlightChannel for those extremely well made re-creations... Top Notch as usual 👍🏻
These are some incredible pilots!! So happy any collision was avoided! The pilot from O'Hare probably should have gotten special recognition, too. In both cases, the collisions would have been the air traffic controller's fault. And at O'Hare he had extra help. Hmmm. Thank you for another great presentation!
As scary as both of these events were, to me, it demonstrates how much safer flying is than any form of transportation. In the US they are thinking about taking one of the pilots out of the cockpit to save money, and because of a pilot shortage. I feel like this is another example of how bad an idea it is to take a plot out of the cockpit!
ilovetotri23: Especially given the workload on commercial jets, and how the pilot flying and the pilot monitoring divvy up a LOT of tasks. And if one human has a big problem like a heart attack, it's good to have another to fly the plane.
For commercial jets, I hope the flying public simply doesn't put up with that, but knowing how people are, they probably will.
And another thing is troubleshooting -- you need a pilot to FLY THE DAMN PLANE while the other goes through troubleshooting and analysis.
I hate planes
Thank you to TheFlightChannel for your excellent videos. I'm always on the edge of my seat when I watch them.
Is there any particular reason why the controllers don't use some sort of mutual exclusion system (e.g. a token for each intersection that is either in an unused position or in a position for one of the runways)?
It's likely that Boston is, at certain times of the day, clearing flights to take off just so frequently that they'd spend more time moving the token back and forth.
Definitely a failsafe needs to be put in place.
A system like this could also be totally digital as a failsafe for human mistakes. How that has not been implemented in every airport is completely beyond me.
@Nathan, welcome to the world of AI, perhaps?
Both of those are scarcer than hell. What a MESS those 2 incidents were. I wonder just how many other near misses there are each and every day?? Too frightening to think about.
I watch a spotter channel (Tampa International) and frequently, pilots are told to "line up and wait" - so busy there is little chance of a rogue authorization to create such a story as these two incidents. Can only hope these types of incidents are becoming more rare -but heaven help us if there are fewer pilots in the cockpit. Never know how many saves there are in real life today!
I remember both incidents, both "code brown" incidents in my book. The FAA classified these as Category As.
After the 2006 KORD (O'Hare) incident, The FAA began recommending that major airports install and use Runway Status Lights (RWSLs) to help prevent these incidents from happening. Almost all major US airports (in terms of traffic) now have them, including KORD.
Unfortunately, the FAA has fallen short of making these systems mandatory, but chose to instead make it an opt-in program. Sadly, we are just one major catastrophe away until the FAA decides to make them mandatory installations in Class B and Class C airfields. This is the usual Modus Operandi of the FAA.
As a side note, today, if you fly into or out of well-know major airports in the US and abroad, chances are high that you're being protected by these incredible systems.
What you are saying is that like so many other things, it takes an accident or loss of life to bring about change.
Flying Jackal: From watching various accident videos / documentaries, far too many have occurred because airports had KNOWN broken equipment, lights, etc. for months or even years. Or didn't take recommended actions to prevent such problems for YEARS.
I don't think such things should be voluntary beyond some reasonable interval.
Runway 14R does indeed intersect Runway 27L, but on the far western departure end of 27L. 27L is intersected by both 22R and 14R.
Great CRM on the first subject, with the First Officer telling the Captain to "Take down", and he did, and they all survived! This is what CRM is about!
The pilots deserved their commendations. Amazing.
Airplane taking off: "Don't worry about your blunder, we got him!" Controller: "Got WHO??"
I know nothing really about aircraft or flying but your videos are really informational and incredibly done.
I just googled to find comparisons to what 35 feet is, basically a length of a normal city bus or three story building. Like, that was close.. very close. Kudos to the Pilot.
I love this channel
That was some awesome piloting!
That United captain was confident about what he was doing.. that was incredible
Nice of them to wait for traffic to clear the intersection where they cross, I never would have thought of that. The US Airway was lucky he didn't run out of real estate and end up going for a swim, it's not like Boston has long runways.
"don't worry about it" hillarious 🤣
Was it the controller yelling, "stop! stop! stop!" literally moments before a collision would've occurred if it wasn't for the two pilots taking off? Little late for that...
Awesome work by the pilots. Without losing the cool, they took quick decision and saved many lives. Hats off to you.
Controllers who cause near misses should be disciplined by the investigating authority. The whole reason for having them is to prevent crashes.
Proba;y another woman
Controllers who commit errors undergo retraining. If the controller just makes a mistake, and is not intentionally trying to cause an incident, then punishment would be useless. The controller is not trying to cause a collision, but it would be useful to know why the error occurred in the first place. If investigators become aware of the cause of the error, then it is more likely that improvements can be made to make the error less likely to occur in the future. However, if someone knows that there is a chance that he/she is going to be punished for a non-malicious error, then he/she may be less likely to be forthcoming about the incident.
@@Eternal_Tech No need to soft soap them. Many of those I hear of on YT are arrogant sob's and their attitude is dangerous before they even start to speak. They are supposed to be professional. Every passenger is entitled to have a safe ride and runways crossing each other and arrogant nasty controllers deny them that. There is no such thing as a non malicious error. Accidentally killing or nearly 600 people requires a demonstration of extreme force and deterrence.
And just like that, 2 jobs were lost, and 2 new air traffic controller job positions suddenly became available.
United 1015: 'Don't worry about that'
BAD-ASS.
looking at the O'Hare disaster, they were very lucky, Tenerife had a similar situation that ended in disaster
"Don't worry about that" Dude is as calm as a cucumber after a near collision while the tower controling is dropping loads in his pants.
I second that FAA recommendation to have red lights down the centerline. It's such a simple fix. Duh!
Stupendous airmanship both crew. The teamwork and knowledge of the F/O and Captain of the first one. The F/O knew exactly what needed to be done to prevent a crash and the Captain performed it. And huge kudos to the second Captain for his composure and stopping any further jabbering about it.
man, US Airways pilots were built different. Miss that airline so much.
Wow. Great pilot awareness and skills. Great video.
Thank god it was a little 737 taking off in the path of the jumbo. Anything bigger and it would have been a real disaster. Thank you for another great video and for reinstating the CAPITOL letters!!! 💕💕💕💕
Both planes had about 300 passengers onboard altogether. It would have a mess regardless of the size of the planes. also a a330 200 is not a jumbo.
I agree about the old font coming back.....but if I'm not mistaken, this video is a hybrid of two older ones, which is why we were spared the elementary-school manuscript font. Oh well.
“Boston tower, this is USAIRWAYS 1170, I’ve got a number for you, advise when ready to copy?”
By the way, starting at 11:50, the diagrams and the animation are completely wrong if indeed the 747 was cleared to runway 14. The diagram shows the 747 coming into runway 22. Not sure if you got the cleared runway or the animation wrong, but one of the two is certainly wrong.
Could you imagine being a passenger on that US Air flight and seeing an A330 literally passing directly overhead??
I wouldn't want to have had a left-side window seat!
Someone HAD to change underwear after that. Geeeessshhh
Those are some damn calm-sounding radio calls, not a hint of adrenaline in the voices of men who had just come incredibly close to death. Impressive quick thinking and professionalism.
If it was me, I'll panicked and passed out😅
Oh my God, these are two incredible videos!! Thank God there was no disaster!!
I from Brazil🇧🇷 and i love your channel!
With respects to the first one it’s ok to forget to turn your oven off, or forget to turn the bath off but to forget giving an airplane clearance to takeoff is just mindblowing
It was not a "near miss"...it was a near collision 💥
12:22. I swear in your music accompaniment is a hint of the Airport (film) Suite from 1975.
"Don't Worry, We Got Him" . Never Have Five Words Ever Carried Such Weight, That Pilot Can Fly Me Anywhere on Planet Earth.
Skill & confidence. I am afraid to fly but I'd fly with this pilot.
There has been a lot of airplane incidents lately, I keep up... there are a lot of takeoffs that have been returning with problems...looking forward to seeing more vids!!!😊😊
Aren't many of these airline pilots former US military fighter pilots who must able to calculate evasive maneuvers in the blink of an eye?
While I understand and appreciate the reason for splitting control towers into zones, situational awareness can still suffer. While the recommendation to change runway lighting is useful, it might be better to install displays in each ATC zone showing each controller what the other controller is doing. If, for some reason, the controller shortage at a given tower is severe (controllers out sick, on vacation, retired and not replaced), then the airport should consider closing the runways overseen by one zone rather than dumping that responsibility on an already overworked controller in the other zone.
But extreme capitalism won't let that happen. Money/cost control over safety...
there is already a system at most airport to monitor aircraft and alarm atc but in these cases , this is going so fast that having red lights looks very useful so the plane can just ask why are these lights red...which should prevent some cases (ie adding a layer to the cheese model.....)
As always, your videos are excellent. Thank you for posting them.🙏🏻✌️🇺🇸
Excellent video. These get better and better.
Very nice videos. It's like watching a movie. Thank you for all your work!
It is a repeat. He is reposting old videos. Here is the original video - ruclips.net/video/IGBxczHpqXk/видео.html
March 17th. 2022
Outstanding Airmanship and Excellent Video.
The best thing all safe.
Thank you @TheFlightChannel for this wonderful video.
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Second THAT ! And congrats to TFC for producing such a dramatic incident.
Not TFC, TRC The repeat channel. He is reposting old videos. Here is the original video - ruclips.net/video/IGBxczHpqXk/видео.html
Thank you for making these fascinating videos. I have no knowledge about flying other than being a passenger, but it really makes me think more about what these pilots have to do and how important experience is - and how there are no shortcuts for training someone to be that good.
WOW. I thought I had studied every possible aviation incident on RUclips. Never seen these 2 before! Props to these Pilots!