Everyone says Lori was a wonderful mother before she met Chad, but I bet she didn't suddenly change as people are making out. She's a narcissist, & narcissistic mothers are masterful at convincing their friends and family they are mothers of the year while their children live in a completely different reality.
That actually is a more palatable answer than the idea that she could have been a wonderful person and then changed, other than the possibility of her kids living a difficult life behind closed doors.
I listened to a recording of Chad presenting at one of those book conferences. Only listened a few minutes because the guy is snooze-worthy as a speaker. Chad's voice is monotone and boring and we hear that in some of the recordings they used in court. He didn't come off to me as the charismatic cult leader as we saw with Koresh, Jones, Manson, Raniere, etc. Even the other women who were into these beliefs we getting this crap from Lori in her meetings with them. I agree that Lori was disturbed before meeting Chad and just got worse being with him. But she seems to have the charisma to lead a cult. My theory is that Lori is really the one who was driving this train over the cliff and Chad was mostly a passenger. Lori was really owning her goddess status and thinking she had all this power and was using it. He just wanted to keep having amazing sex with the goddess. I can't see any other reason why someone like Chad would ever had a chance at dating a woman that looked like Lori, so he won the lottery and wasn't going to tell her no. Looks like Chad was dating up with his former wife as well, he didn't deserve to be in the orbit of that sweet and loving women either. That's my theory.
The way the police just dismissed him was infuriating😡 If they had taken him seriously, the children would probably still been alive. That he had the life insurrance altered shows that he was very aware of what could happen.
I was in a situation like this once and sought police help. Instead of helping, they mocked me and told me "filing a false police report is a crime, you sure you want to go further"? And talking about field sobriety testing me. I was 17 and stone cold sober as I'd never had mind altering substances of any kind to that point in my life. The experience was infuriating and dangerous, to say the least.
Yes… It was a “brilliant” move on his part… Because… SOOOOO many people will NOT… No matter how “endangered”… or threatened they feel… most fail to do it… Which is very strange… 🤔
Lori wasn’t influenced by Chad. People have been dropping around her longer than her knowing Chad. Lori is a manipulative narcissist and Chad just enabled that more. She didn’t have a personality change: her true self came out.
I left my x also he hide under the church facade... almost killed me and played victim all over the State ..what happens in the dark will come out to the light no one can mock Jeh God...
I still think her husband's shooting by her brother was no accident or self defense...and skeptical if her brother died of natural causes. This is such a sad and unbelievable story 😢
There is absolutely no way Alex died “naturally” the day after Tammy was exhumed. I don’t care that the autopsy says blood clots and I don’t know what substance Alex took or was given, but there’s just no way it was a coincidence.
Has anyone else noticed that towards the end of the episode they gave tribute to everyone murdered by this monster except for her husband. That man tried to save himself and his children, nobody took him seriously and the outcome was not only he was murdered but his children were murdered as well and he didn't even receive an R.I.P. Charles. Even his family at the end included Tammy in their heart ache but I don't recall them mentioning they're only son. I'm sorry something about that rubs me the wrong way.
Most men will never admit they fear a women and it goods to show that even when they do, it’s not taken seriously. Even in the recording with the cops he tells them she’s saying I have a demon in me and I’m not really her husband, the cops asks how does that make her a danger to herself or anyone else? Umm idk sounds like a mental crisis to me
Without the context of everything that happened after, the person that first reported this sounds crazy, for lack of a better word. I mean, these facts are still remarkable to believe even after the case. I think the police assumed he was a cheating husband trying to claw his wife back. Hindsight makes this easier to believe. He was so desperate and he just wanted to protect the children! It’s just awful what happened to Charles. What I don’t understand is why after his death the police failed to look more deeply.
She was living her best life in Hawaii while her children were dead in the ground, sounds very familiar to Casey Anthony, thank goodness for this jury.
I listened to Lori Vallow Daybell’s cousin on a podcast recently. This cousin grew up with Lori and knew her and Alex very well. The cousin (sorry can’t remember her name) stated clearly that Lori has always been very selfish and always got her way through manipulation and straight up meanness. She only appeared to be a “perfect mother” because this is how narcissists operate- it’s all about appearances.
Loris cousin , Meghan Conner. Meghan's dad, Rex Connor, is Loris mother's (Janice's), brother. Rex Conner,who seems like a kind, good oerso❤n, but shockingly, he could pass for Alex Cox's identical twin!!!!
@@ainokea911john dehlin podcast Mormon Stories. I’ve been watching Mormon Stories on RUclips for a couple years now and people have no clue how crazy this religion is or how much money and power they have. A lot of their congregants don’t even know what goes on in the temple until it’s their day for their endowments. IMHO it’s no wonder so many deaths, including the recent one of the woman author of that children’s book about grief was Mormon. Same about the dentist that killed his wife and mother of his children. It’s a lot.
@@downy1202 Faith is dead without works. Jesus is my leader. Discernment is very critical, especially now. We have to live with a sense of urgency. Unfortunately money is their God.
The entire family is off all three generations. The teenage girls behavior was off to. Psychopathy is genetic. Not all with psychopathy are sadistic. Neuroscientist James Fallon a psychopath and the father of multiple children who possess the psychopathy gene wrote a good book on the topic.
And the cop was definitely feeling some sort of flirtation vibe going on while questioning her ... ridiculous. You weigh around 126 pounds? Smile. Yes. Giggle.
I always feel sorry for Charles, the police footage of him, he looks terrified but trying to keep it together. If she hadn’t been able to charm the police into thinking he was talking nonsense and Charles had been taken seriously….none of this might have happened! For those that say she had been somewhat brainwashed by Chad, if she truly believed in what she was saying, it wouldn’t have been selective. She selected to not tell the officers that she thought Charles and her children were demons or zombies to her because she knew it would land her in jail, she knows the difference between right and wrong….she isn’t mad or brainwashed….she’s bad and evil!
All the police had to do was pay attention to her and the brother’s demeanor. As far as Charles… there’s not much he could’ve done except avoid her crazy self… but I’m sure he was worried about his son
@@gemmag.2988 I've watched the footage of Lori in the police station that day (I don't remember from where I've seen it, might have been the Netfilx documentary) and let me tell you, she completely manipulated the two officers questioning her. If I recall correctly, she just randomly chatting to avoid the main topic, she's very cooperated (or she acted like that to show the officers she's not insane), she was kind of acting like a psycopath to me but she left the impression that she was a completely stable, independant, innocent and funny woman - opposite to what Charles told the officers. These officers were totally manipulated into thinking that way so they didn't believe in what Charles said. And she was also in some beauty pageant before and being pretty famous there so I think that's one of the reason why the police didn't think she was insane like Charles said. She also painted a bad picture of Charles and victimize herself so... she just won that day :|
Its funny that the defense tried to make it seem like Chad was the mastermind that was pulling the strings. You know 100% Lori used sex and seduction to get Chad to do WHATEVER she wanted.
They were... right up until the prosecutors office dropped the damn ball and effed up and didn't submit paperwork to the courts on time. This forced the DP to be taken off the table for her. Disgusting. I hope somebody got fired for this egregious oversight.
@@LittleBlueOwl318really? It’s called discovery that was still coming in and it was given over however the defense said they didn’t have time to go through it because their client didn’t waive her right to a speedy trial.
Those smiles and smirks on Lori's face will fade as she becomes insignificant and cameras are no longer around. She will grow old and hated by people in jail. She had a direct hand in those killings and everyone knows it. Shes a narcissistic psychopath and not believable. She'll die old and alone. Thats justice.
Not seeing her live to old age. Eventually she'll have to go to gen pop. Lots of mothers who haven't seen their living kids in quite a while. Short shelf life in the facility
The most shocking part of this story is that 5 men married this succubus because of her looks. They totally ignored her psychopathic, manipulative ways.
That’s the most shocking part? Your comment reminded me of a joke by Norm Macdonald…some people say that the worst part of Bill Cosby being a rapist is his hypocrisy. What about all the raping! 😂😂😂
This woman is beyond anything. Lady your looks are getting worse day by day. Must be that ugly heart of hers shining through. Thank God for justice….although she deserves much worse than this, it’s a start. #RIPTyleeandJJ
My heart bleeds for Charles. He sought help. He told them she threatened him, and he feared for his children's, as well as his own safety. How they let them go after his report still baffles me. If they had investigated his case more thoroughly, three lives could have been saved. From all accounts, Charles was a good, kind, generous man who loved his wife and children. It is so sad that the very people he cared for murdered him. RIP Charles, Tylee, JJ, and gentle Tammy. Justice is coming. One down and Chubb Dumbbell will be next. I hope they go after Melanie P. and Zulema. I'm sure Melanie G. received immunity, but she is just as guilty.
@Ulie Brandon I’m betting Zulema received immunity too. Yes, I think more people than just Chad and Lori hold guilt for all this tragedy, but those are the originators they were after so the few others they could pin down were offered immunity in exchange of damning testimony that secured conviction. Hopefully it will for dumbbell too!
Hearing Charles basically pleading for help absolutely shatters my heart. He wasn’t perfect but he was a great husband and father. Such a shame that his life had to end because of her selfishness. The police really dropped the ballon that one.
Being a resident of Chandler the tyrant's with badges and gun's are dirty and corrupt my ex pulled a gun on me I wrote out a statement and Chandler PD did nothing found out later on his ex had connections with the tyrant's
There weren't 3 victims in this. The fourth was charles vallow. He was also murdered by alex at lori's direction. Rip to these 4 victims. Lori is exactly where she belongs now.
Most humans are gullible, easily convinced of unrealistic sh!t. My sister is a judge and yet she fell for a scam of buying a piece of Jesus’s cross… like, even if such thing existed it would have disintegrated by now. 🤦♂️
But yet accomplish what they really want. It's like their delusional beliefs are so complex so they dont recognize their true goals usually comprise of at least four or five of the seven deadly sins.
I agree 100% ! Especially the way Summer screamed at Lori D., exactly what was needed ! And when Lori's whole family didn't come to her trial, except Lori's 1 uncle coming to hear when the verdict was read .
I don't believe she changed when she met Chad. I think it's more likely that she was always narcissistic who's facade was the "perfect" mum. A narcissist would love to hear that they're a reincarnated goddess. Two narcissists got together with awful consequences.
Possibly. Or she's a total sociopath with no real human emotion who knew what she was doing. But I'm giving the edge to the martyrdom theory. Or a combo platter of both. Yes, that sounds about right.
I'm quite sure that her actions as a "loving " mother was performative. She enjoyed the accolades but she's always been an evil narcissist. There's no way that you go from an involved and loving mother and change just because you meet a new man. She's evil. This is heartbreaking.
These have been my exact thoughts all along. It’s weird that so many people keep describing her as the perfect mother when even the most angelic, patient and loving mothers are never described as perfect. They’re described with the words I listed and others such as, very involved and sincerely interested in helping their children grow up to be good people. The “perfect mom” was just a facade she spent decades honing. She was performative for anyone who came around. She probably played the perfect mom in front of Charles as well, he seemed genuinely bowled over that she changed so much in such a short period of time. And sure, people can change overnight, however that’s something that happens after a severe head injury, a stroke, a concussion, that sort of thing. Sometimes PTSD can be silent for decades and suddenly surface by a triggering event. But that’s not what happened to Lori. Lori is some sort of sociopath, at the very least she’s a narcissist. But she’s spent her lifetime doing a good job hiding her real self from pretty much everyone.
idk, sure she probably had underlying mental/ego issues. but a lot of people do and they don’t end up killing their kids. per her oldest son she seemed to be relatively normal prior to meeting chad, so i’m confused on that. but who knows, we’re all just speculating. we don’t know Lori, we don’t know who she rly was before. all we know is now she’s an evil POS. We can speculate how she got there but does it rly matter? i get the interest but i think too much interest and focus on the assailants take away from the victims. The kids are what matter, Charles and Tammy as well. so sad they lost their lives at the hands of these monster freaks. I agree it’s super heartbreaking
I’m a huge supporter of the men in blue who risk their lives every day to protect me and my loved ones. But every time I see the videos with Charles Vallow telling the Arizona cops how freaked out he was by Lori, it makes me so angry that the cops didn’t take him seriously.
Yes me too. They did not take it seriously, which lead to so much more assaults, lies and murders!! I'm sure they feel bad, but that self defense her brother did he should have never been let free. It's like they did not investigate until they started searching for the children 😢!!
It's often that reports made by men about women are taken with little to no seriousness. What police fail to understand is that women can be just as dangerous, just in different ways and sometimes even same ways as men can be. Lori was literally at the center of so much hurt!
Lori’s mother should be ashamed of herself. In her first interview with 48hours she outright lied. She said she’d spoken to Lori and could hear JJ in the background and he came on the phone. This was after both kids had been announced missing. So she was trying plant the seed Lori was hiding her kids for their own safety.
Well, I feel moved to say again and again that mental illness is hereditary….you don’t get someone with a personality disorder in a vacuum. Mood disorders are completely different, bc depression and anxiety, for example, can be situational. PTSD can happen to anyone. But to have a personality disorder without a conscience has to involve being a sociopath or a psychopath. The psychological dynamics of LDV’s parents and siblings are unknown….people can speculate.
@능이백슉 You can’t “raise” a child to have a personality disorder in adulthood. Mental illness is genetically based, but there has to be trauma of some kind to fire the genes, such as childhood emotional, physical, or social abuse, or even a divorce….the child’s personality determines what registers as trauma. We know that the paradigm of “Nature vs Nurture” which reigned in developmental psychology since it’s inception is really “Nature *AND* Nurture”….both are involved. I know a lot of people think the dynamics of psychology aren’t difficult, and they throw a lot of terms around, but the practice is _extremely_ difficult to learn and to apply, which people can see if they look under APA approved programs.
@@voraciousreader3341 People with Narcissistic Personality Disorder and those high on the narcissistic spectrum also have no conscience. Other family members usually pick it up. They sometimes call it “narcissistic fleas” but it’s usually full blown narcissism or close to it. It happened in my family but I was the chosen scapegoat and didn’t get it.
@@voraciousreader3341 I think you’re right. It’s both nature and nurture. Some people are born with a greater tendency toward narcissism. It’s not just trauma that causes it though. Often a child that is spoiled will become narcissistic.
It's so telling to me that Melanie Gibb had a hard time deciding to tell the truth about JJ's whereabouts. She claims to be super religious but yet she wrestles with being honest? I, as a nonreligious person, would have zero hesitation in telling the truth.
Oh boy, I know atheists more forth coming than these people. They were lying to their teeth. Very sad that MG and Zulema are walking away, they should be in prison as well.
I have been following this from the beginning. 48 Hours did a good job in presenting the entire story in a concise way. I have to say, I shed a tear during JJ's Grandpa's statement. There was a lot of love there and its just so sad they won't have any more memories to make.
I echo that. I needed to see a concise documentary on this, although 48 hours could have added more quite vital info. its limited to its 41 min approx time slot unfortunately.
It’s hard to believe that these are real people. The way they committed all these murders and got married 17 days after is like watching a cheesy Lifetime movie or reading an awful novel. Taking the lives of your own children 😢
I just made me think about, who I might be right next to! It might be very easy to fall into these crazy beliefs, I guess it helps to be nice to everyone, at least the feeling of being accepted might bring people back to reality!
@@desertsunset8025 accept they really took Charles word for granted, no one ever believed him and that led to this tragedy :( he was so desperated to save his children but these people (even the family, relatives not just the police) were so blind, not single one person listened to him until it was too late :( I feel kinda sad for him, I hope he got justice as well
Her interaction with the police alone after the shooting was a huge red flag. She was all smiles and doesn't seem shaken that her husband was shot. And this happened after Charles told the police that his wife threatened his life. Isn't that suspicious enough to dig deep?
Those videos of Tylee looking after JJ break my heart. What a greater older sister looking out for her brother. Of course that’s why these psychos killed Tylee first, to leave JJ defenseless. It’s sickening what Chad and Lori did for money, she threw her kids out like they were garbage
I watched him last night, I already miss him. Such a nice person, he is a journalist, but have a smile on his face, a big one every day. This case is beyond crazy.
He raped his wife. He either is as evil as Lori or the events of what happened have turned him evil...I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw that he had been arrested recently...just horrible. Nothing good comes from Lori Dumbell
Damn, the way Tylie protectively hugged JJ and said “are you filming MY child?” She obviously didn’t mean it literally but it shows she was willing to do anything to protect JJ. That little video clip made me cry.
Me too. I honestly believe Tylee was JJ's real mother. I think JJ was a burden to her. Tylee was older and would've been alive, but she knew too much and there's no way anyone would've been able to touch JJ, if she were alive.
@@elishadeal1027 I meant she was his real mother as in how she loved, treated and took care of him. It seems like she loved and protected him in a motherly way. Even more than the person who was supposed to be his real mother.
Lori's sister Summer had spent years in denial and stood by Lori's side. To see her have a meltdown at the jailhouse call for finally snapping out from denial somehow breaks my heart. I don't blame Summer for spending years wanting to believe Lori. Lori after all is her sister, and Lori being a narcissistic manipulator can easily make her family believe her.
Even if she wanted to believe her, her common sense should have taken over. Lori couldn’t/wouldn’t provide any proof of life. Lori could have provided a voice recording of the kids to back up what she was saying. Summer should have been more concerned for her niece and nephew.
This is usually the culture in families like the Coxes who are image and religion obsessed. Check out the interview by her cousin Meghan. A very sick and dysfunctional dynamic in the whole clan
I can’t imagine the distress she was experiencing when she was given too much insurmountable evidence to doubt the truth anymore. Her brain tried to shield her from that grief for all those years that she was protecting Lori. That phone call ended up being such a significant piece of evidence in this case
@@keepingitnatural7601 Trust me, logic wouldn't work when you were manipulated by a narcissistic person. I have one narcissistic sister in my family and I was one who always defended her regardless my discomfort of some of the illogical things my sister did, but I still believed and defended her at all costs. Took me years to really grasp the reality.
@@MsFunology yes. Lori was even trying to manipulate her still through the call with the “you know me” talk. That was really sad. Her sister had to realize she didn’t know her sister and what she was capable of.
Colby was lucky. He didn't have a Social Security check from a desd father & he didn't take out an insurance policy making his mother the benificiary. or he'd be dead too....And the brother "dropping dead" from natural causes was Karma.
For real 😢😅, if I had seen that clip of his interview before tragedy struck I too would have believed he was maybe over exaggerating and it wasn’t that serious, little did we know crazy things do actually happen in real life, whole story looks like a plot from a fictional movie
@brendabushman Sadly, that’s how it is in narcissistic relationships, and the police often can’t do anything, because the narcs make sure to keep their facade, and gaslighting going, to make the victim look crazy. It’s just so twisted.
It works the other way, as well, and many more wives are murdered by husbands than the other way around. It’s because it’s so rare that husbands have a hard time being believed by authorities.
Seeing that leathery faced monster smiling in the courtroom, thinking she’s done this world a service, enraged me to my core. Of course the beauty queen would be the ‘leader’ of the thousands of people who survived the apocalypse. People like this should never be parents in the first place. The fact she was so easily ready to throw her ENTIRE family away, makes me feel that she would’ve done this even without chads influence. Disgusting monsters.
Yes. Because the little boy escaped and thus saved his sister is why they survived. Ruby & Jodi were getting ready to move them to the desert. Thank God.
All the innocent people targeted by this narcissistic, egomaniacal couple. If only Lori’s family had listened to Charles and helped him, only Joe would have lost his life. What happened to him was terrible, in itself. How many lives do you think she has destroyed? We need a “This is Your Life” show where everyone she victimized, over her lifetime, could share their stories. It could serve as a warning on what to watch for during childhood, teens and adulthood. People need to understand the warning signs , to protect themselves, and possibly intervene, before it becomes THIS.
I HEARD ON QONE OF THESE SHOWS. HER FATHER WAS LIKE WE ARE THE MOST SPECIAL FAMILY. WE ARE BETTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE. I WOULD LIKE MORE INFO ON THIS AREA. MAYBE LIKE YOU SAID WE CAN LEARN MORE ABOUT HOW SHE WAS TRAINED? AS NARCISSIT?
Very solutions oriented comments. Not bad suggestions to stem the problem by helping people recognize the behaviors of people who have serious issues that need to be addressed by society before people die.
Loris husband turned to law enforcement and the government for help, thanks to them not helping 3 innocent peoples lives were taken because government didn’t feel the need to “protect and serve”. The families should be wanting accountability from the government as well
Don’t you mean the local police force, yes I know they are government workers. Did you see how she flirted and laughed with the police in the interview they were smitten.
Only one positive outcome of this horrific story is that world had known Grandpa of JJ - what a hero ! He's the best guy out here. So sorry for the loss... This case is unbelievable and just outta reality to be honest.
This is so sickening! Those poor baby's, the last moments of their life were full of fear and a question, why would my mom, family do this?! As a mom myself this breaks my momma heart. This is so sad. 😞 Then hearing the grandpa cry out for them in the end had me bawling.
Ikr, and I'm so glad in this episode they talked about Tylee a little more by interviewing a friend. It was nice to hear what type of teenager she was.
I still don't get it. If Kay Woodcock is Charles Vallow's sister, how is she the 'grandmother' (of JJ/ who Charles adopted?), and her husband, the 'grandfather'? It's confusing to say the least.
@@22ergie Charles - who was shot dead in July 2019 - was JJ's biological uncle and adopted the boy from his nephew, Todd Trahan, who suffered from addiction. JJ's biological mom, Mandy Leger, also suffered from substance abuse issues. Todd’s Parents are Kay & Larry Woodcock.
@@22ergieYeah, it's complicated. I was trying to explain it to my brother: "So like, if your son and his gf and had a baby, but they couldn't care for him, so you're like "Im his grandparent [think Kay Woodcock] - the baby can live with me and my spouse" -and y'all absolutely love him, but you know that it's not an ideal situation- so I'm like, "Hey, Im your younger sibling [think Charles Vallow] - Im stable, I have a spouse [think 🤮] and there's another kid here to be his sibling, there's a good educational system here for his particular needs." So you give me your grandchild to raise asva part of my blended family. I formally adopt him, as does my wife, so he is 'OUR son,' but of course, being his grandparents, y'all are crazy about him, and you call and video chat with him several times a week, and this goes on for years. Then you hear that me and my wife are getting a seperation. There is a good chance that the child will end up with me, and if I can't handle that, you will be more than happy to have him back- he IS y'alls grandson. In the meantime, you videochat with him regularly. Then you hear that Im dead because my estranged wife's brother shot me (in the big beautiful house that I was providing for the whole family while I lived somewhere else, because im such an evil guy). Now, as his grandparents and without your brother (me) as a crucial link, you are more determined than ever to maintain your connection with your grandson (I had told you, my wife wasn't safe, something may happen, and that I was signing over my life insurance policy to you, because, my (adopted) son will likely be returning to you if something happens to me. So now, Ive died a violent death, while supposedly doing something way out of character (physically attacking my wife), and you want to make SURE your grandson is ok- on a regular basis, until you can get custody sorted out. Then one day, you can't reach him. There is one strange interaction where he clearly cannot speak freely, and someone else is holding the phone. After that, you don't hear from him again. Your brother (me) is dead and now you can't reach your grandson, who I had been ra ising as part of my family. After a couple weeks of getting the run around you ask the police to go confirm that your grandson is ok. I believe the first visit caught them totally off guard. They just said the kids were wherever, and they didn't expect the police come back, not knowing why they were there for a welfare check. They probably felt they had succeeded in assuring them that everything was fine. I believe it was when the police returned a day or two later, that Lori's brother, Alex, was there and told the police that JJ was out of town, visiting his grandma Kay, not knowing she was the one who requested the welfare check. I can't imagine what it was like, to receive that call, from the police hundreds of miles away, saying "Is your grandson by any chance visiting you?because that's where they say he is." Her stomach must have dropped. I'm guessing at that moment, Kay Woodcock and her husband (I'm sorry, I'm not recalling his name) knew that this was not going to end well. The whole thing is so unbelievably horrific and unnecessary. The Woodcocks, Lori's older son, Lori's sister- they all would have taken both kids. She had so much support. She likely could have manipulated them into taking them quietly and letting her continue to get their monthly checks. She and Chad hurt so many people. From the victims, to the families, to law enforcement, right down to the jurors who can't unsee those pictures, none of them will ever be the same. And for what? Because she wanted to live some carefree fairy tale life with this man- and this man she loved so much, wanted so bad, apparently didn't want her if she didn't come with Charles's million dollar life insurance payout or the $6000 a month she was stealing from the kids. *Sorry this is so long. It just occurred to me Tylee's dad died in 2018- hardly ancient history- and Tyler had been receiving 2000 a month since then. Do we know how Tylee's dad died? Was it a violent or suspicious death? Or was it legit, but it got the wheels turnin in old Gory Lori's mind?- I wonder.
This woman reminds me so much of my wife's mom. My wife has a near-endless amount of stories of abuse from her mother, and yet everyone around them almost worshipped her mom as a perfect wife and mother, always telling my wife and her siblings growing up how lucky they are to have such a "sweet and loving" mother. My wife ended up reading about "covert narcissism" when she was a young teenager, and everything began to click. I doubt this woman, Lori, was ever the person the people around her thought her to be.
So you can over see them in case ppl start questioning things. & if you ever have to, you can dig up the bodies & move them. I know that sounds sick, but that’s why.
I can almost smell death through the screen. Chad and this horrible woman are monstrous people. In these cases, the death penalty would not be too harsh.
Again I thought the chris watch case was the worst I had ever heard until I heard this this is just unbelievable but After seeing all the stuff I have seen with the mass shootings in America and all of that I have come to the conclusion that the devil is alive and well on this planet and it's like the purge. Also mass shootings every other day people just losing their minds attacking people with bad's Karen's. Going? Crazy at Walmart I mean the whole thing is just gone to h*** in a handbasket
Death wouldn’t be too harsh but I think for Lori life is a harsher punishment. All she’s ever wanted was attention and life in prison allows her to fade into obscurity. Death sentence would give the attention she seeks for years and years.
Unbelievable! The cops in Arizona really dropped the ball. If they had taken this seriously, they could have prevented these deaths. Lori's mother and sister were blind and now get to live with this.
Kinda like the way the Moab, UT police sided with Gabbi Petito's eventual murderer Brian and did not take their domestic abuse situation seriously. Her family IS suing that police department in civil court for their gross negligence and actually joking with Brian about how crazy women get sometimes.It's a wrongful death suit.
My heart just broke seeing JJ's grandparents walk out of the courthouse & the crowd was singing, "We Will Rock You!" It was happy tears & sad tears. Paw Paw Larry is so sweet! "Love always wins!" He even said Tammy is apart of their life! 😢❤ Happy to read that at the end, that Lori may face trial in Arizona in connection with Charles death. 🎉🎉
Evil. You go to Hawaii when your kids are missing. You get married. I wouldn't ever be able to give a relationship the consideration or time if they had missing kids. My life would be consumed with finding them. Anything else is insane!! And for sure it's intensely suspicious.
That trial will take place in Maricopa County Arizona where he was killed. Believe me, no one has forgotten about Charles Vallow. They do have the death penalty in Arizona.
One of the most tragic things for me was watching her daughter defend her when she was interviewed by police. She talks about how she stepped in front of her mom to defend her. That child would've died honorably for her family. Instead she was murdered by her mother for nothing more than sex and no one can convince me that religion had anything to do with it.
Lori should have looked at herself she was the Demon a dark entity the LE ignored Charles his family should sue for damages as he was killed.Did Lori get sentenced yet?
I couldn’t stop from bursting into tears seeing the grandfather talk at the end after they sing JJ’s favorite song. Heart shattering. May those 2 murderous animals rot forever in misery
Lori was completely unconcerned about where her children were. She was not frantically searching for them as any normal mother would have. That says guilt to me - no doubt.
I completely agree. It has absolutely nothing to do with religion or believing they were zombies. It's pure greed. If they truly believed these people were zombies and they were saving them, why did the life insurance mean so much? Why continue to collect money? Why did they ONLY end the "zombies" they would benefit from financially?! That to me proves it was all about the money and neither of them actually believed in zombies they just use that as an excuse to manipulate Melanie and others.
@@franknitti119099.9% of the time I’d agree with you… I could write a book about greedy, dishonest, hypocritical, entitled, professional-victim narcissistic, women, and their BS. But, in this case, that guy is jus gas guilty.
Don’t blame the mother’s evil on Chad. That is nothing but trying to excuse her behavior. They are both equally evil. I don’t want to hear how perfect of a mother she was from her stupid friends. And the girl doesn’t question anything about her father being shot? The friend who covered for them should be in prison too. The chick who married Alex absolutely knew that she murdered her kids. She was at the little rituals and knew what was going on and then now wants to act innocent like she had no idea what was going on. All of these people need to be in prison. And the stupid cops don’t even search Chad’s property?
Don't understand yr last paragraph. Agree about Alex's wife knowing. I don't think MG ever believed her friend would hurt the children. There had been ongoing drama btwn Lori + Charles. Narcissist Lori believed she was a victim, not Charles and M Gibb really believed the kids were staying somewhere safe. She was naive yes, but otherwise i agree with u. K
I'd rather she go to prison and let the other inmates make her as miserable as possible for the rest of her rotten life. Child killers don't do well in prison, especially narcissists like Lori. (Edit to add: She's a child killer because she's just as responsible for their deaths as the ones who physically ended their lives.)
@@12thDecember I am an Idahoan and Lori is in prison.I dont know why people do not think she is.We have min.med,max prison in Kuna,Idaho and that is where she will get old.Without any D.Like she deserves.
I wonder if people who think Lori used to be the best mom realize that's how narcissists are? They need you to believe they are the best at what they do; the best mom, best friend, wonderful wife; until that no longer serves them. When you listen to interviews by her cousins and siblings, you hear things like "it always had to be Lori's way." I think she's a narcissist who got her way so much that it only encouraged her delusions of grandeur to the point where she really believed she could do anything she wanted- and did.
You hit this right on the head. I think Hidden True Crime’s interview with her cousin was what solidified this for me. She wasn’t perfect, she was just hiding.
💯. She called JJ "her niece's drug baby". She used him to look like a great mom, and a great wife, and used him for money. She didn't love him, or anyone, just herself. She had one child with each husband (except lucky #1). She knew EXACTLY what she was doing...her goal--money.
I bet anything Lori viewed Tylee trying to protect her brother from abuse as an unholy act of disobedience, or some selfish attachment. She was old enough to speak her mind if she felt he wasn't being treated right. Reminds me a lot of the Ruby, and Jodi case. Separating the siblings from each other. People who can convince themselves their messed up desires are revelations from god. No matter how cruel, it's justified in their heads as a merciful good. She probably wanted to punish JJ for behaviors he doesn't have control over. So many of these abusive religious parents want to "fix" their kids when they were never broken. Just reacting to psychological, or physical abuse is demonic to them. They had other selfish motivations aswell.. but yea I think they saw Tylee's genuine love for her little brother as a threat that was in their way. I'm sure JJ would've been asking about where his sister was constantly, and why she didn't talk to him before leaving. That would've made Lori mad, and feel like she needs to take back control. Ugh it's all so sickening. My heart goes out to them.
Sometimes overly protective siblings stem from abusive households. It's not enough to know for certain, but it's totally possible. Tylee was incredibly strong either way.
It’s astonishing to me more of these people didn’t go to police about Lori?? They sat by and listened to her talk in a crazed and frightening manner, yet did nothing!!!
Money, greed and NARCISSISM! My biggest warmest hugs to JJ and Tylee's grandparents. I hope they're not blaming themselves for this, sometimes it's hard to spot evil.
Three innocent victims? There were actually four innocent people who were murdered by that deadly trio. What about Charles Vallow? He was also murdered by Lori, her brother Alex, and Chad.
@@brutarie225 they were not sure how she did exactly. I'm sure it was horrific also. It's just how the detective described how the boy was found. Was sickening.
I cried when I first saw Larry's speech outside the courthouse. You could just feel his pain in losing his grandson and all the other lives lost from Lori and Chad's murders
I’m so glad that justice was served, but my heart will always feel immense sadness for all the victims. Hearing Charles ask for help makes me so angry. The police could’ve at least investigated his death more there were so many red flags. Then Tammy had no idea what was going on, and her life was taken from her. Then those poor innocent children, had their lives taken for simply being children. Absolutely evil I can’t wait for Chad to be found guilty. RIP Charles, Tammy, Tylee, and JJ.
Agreed, I believe the police felt like Charles was being a wuss and seemed to have a “how could that little lady be threatening?” attitude. Men are often physically and mentally abused and aren’t really taken seriously. This time, it led to several deaths. Those poor babies going through that, unimaginable.
I feel like justice will be served when Chad day bell is also found guilty. They both did this, it wasn't just her. Either way, this is absolutely progress towards that goal, for which I'm grateful
I also feel so much for Tammys 5 children they not only lost their Mother, but they also lost their Father knowing he murdered their beautiful loving Mother. I can't even imagine what they must have and probably still are going through.
@@karenwelsh1705 I feel for them too. However, I’m just baffled that they don’t believe their father did this from the interviews I’ve seen. I hope they’ve changed their minds since. Ugh poor Tammy. I wish he would’ve just divorced her so she could’ve just lived her life..I can’t wait to see him behind bars.
What an evil brainwashed narcissist. She had on lipstick while in her jail clothes at court, and she's smiling from the back of the squad car. This case is up there with one of the most bizarre and heartbreaking cases I have ever seen.
@@brynbailey7132 maybe or she pretends she has fallen back into love with him and dances to the beat of his drum until she’s back on the will before murdering him at a later date.
She wasn’t gonna get off, but that statement from the Alice lady that her daughter had died, showed she knew the children were dead and was ok with it. That’s wicked as it comes.
@@mariakelly90210 you are missing the point .Peoplek like us would be a mess.In her head she was protecting her kids from all of us. She only trusts the Lord. She always was protecting her kids from their own dads with her religious mental thing she was diagnosed with.SHe inituated the deaths when she heard they were dark and Tylee cleaned her room bored.Lori thought oh no they have taken the kids .Called Chad their is a text that she says so weird my daiughter is being weird and chad says sorry to inform you she is dark just got the word from the Lord
Lori is mental. Lori should have been put in a hospital.This case will serve hopefully as a message to QUIT overlooking family members looking out for people from their mental ill family member.
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Everyone says Lori was a wonderful mother before she met Chad, but I bet she didn't suddenly change as people are making out. She's a narcissist, & narcissistic mothers are masterful at convincing their friends and family they are mothers of the year while their children live in a completely different reality.
100% she is a narc and she was always evil. She just met the man she could finally be evil with together.
That actually is a more palatable answer than the idea that she could have been a wonderful person and then changed, other than the possibility of her kids living a difficult life behind closed doors.
@one adventure You're exactly right. That's how narcissists operate. You'll think they're the greatest.
I listened to a recording of Chad presenting at one of those book conferences. Only listened a few minutes because the guy is snooze-worthy as a speaker. Chad's voice is monotone and boring and we hear that in some of the recordings they used in court. He didn't come off to me as the charismatic cult leader as we saw with Koresh, Jones, Manson, Raniere, etc. Even the other women who were into these beliefs we getting this crap from Lori in her meetings with them. I agree that Lori was disturbed before meeting Chad and just got worse being with him. But she seems to have the charisma to lead a cult. My theory is that Lori is really the one who was driving this train over the cliff and Chad was mostly a passenger. Lori was really owning her goddess status and thinking she had all this power and was using it. He just wanted to keep having amazing sex with the goddess. I can't see any other reason why someone like Chad would ever had a chance at dating a woman that looked like Lori, so he won the lottery and wasn't going to tell her no. Looks like Chad was dating up with his former wife as well, he didn't deserve to be in the orbit of that sweet and loving women either. That's my theory.
Jep! Couldn't agree more! 💯
imagine looking for demons in others when you are one yourself.
Right?! It’s like they both forgot to look in the damn mirror.
Narcissists accusations are often confessions.
@@georgetteschloss5102 I need to tape this to my fridge as a reminder!
Well said! 💜
Typical of those criminally motivated by religion. Projection of evil.
Lori´s husband, Charles, tried to seek help. He was scared out of his mind. No one listened - as in so many other "domestic" cases. Heart breaking.
Yes, men and women alike aren't often taken seriously.
WRONG!! Men are never taken seriously in Dom abuse cases! @@TJ-it1bm
The way the police just dismissed him was infuriating😡 If they had taken him seriously, the children would probably still been alive. That he had the life insurrance altered shows that he was very aware of what could happen.
Police are NOT obligated to protect citizens from harm.
I was in a situation like this once and sought police help. Instead of helping, they mocked me and told me "filing a false police report is a crime, you sure you want to go further"? And talking about field sobriety testing me. I was 17 and stone cold sober as I'd never had mind altering substances of any kind to that point in my life. The experience was infuriating and dangerous, to say the least.
Shout out to Nate Eaton, the reporter who never gave up and found them in Hawaii!
He is such a good and blessed man!
It was brilliant of Charles to change the beneficiary of his insurance!
@@mikeypiros6647 no they didn't know he changed it until they got a letter afterwards.
Ashame he didn't tell Lori
The joke's on her.
Yes… It was a “brilliant” move on his part…
Because… SOOOOO many people will NOT… No matter how “endangered”… or threatened they feel… most fail to do it…
Which is very strange… 🤔
Would appear he got his karma from beneath the grave. God rest his soul ❤
Lori wasn’t influenced by Chad. People have been dropping around her longer than her knowing Chad. Lori is a manipulative narcissist and Chad just enabled that more. She didn’t have a personality change: her true self came out.
With those two it really was the perfect storm. A perfect storm of evil
Right! Didn't hear husband before Charles die too?
I can’t wait to see the episode of Deadly Women that is surely in the works.
@@leahingraham5509 wow, for real?
I left my x also he hide under the church facade... almost killed me and played victim all over the State
..what happens in the dark will come out to the light no one can mock Jeh God...
I still think her husband's shooting by her brother was no accident or self defense...and skeptical if her brother died of natural causes. This is such a sad and unbelievable story 😢
She thought she was still beneficiary on her ex husband's life insurance policy (she wasn't, he changed it to his sister). Totally planned execution.
@@projectrandom2440 I agree
There is absolutely no way Alex died “naturally” the day after Tammy was exhumed. I don’t care that the autopsy says blood clots and I don’t know what substance Alex took or was given, but there’s just no way it was a coincidence.
Oh, I have concerns about the third husband's death, too.
Whatever poison Tammy was given probably was given to Alex also, I'm sure he was the last to die so she could be in her happy ever after.
This woman is basically a serial killer. Husband too. Hope justice is served for the children and adults who have all died in this tragic story.
Has anyone else noticed that towards the end of the episode they gave tribute to everyone murdered by this monster except for her husband. That man tried to save himself and his children, nobody took him seriously and the outcome was not only he was murdered but his children were murdered as well and he didn't even receive an R.I.P. Charles. Even his family at the end included Tammy in their heart ache but I don't recall them mentioning they're only son. I'm sorry something about that rubs me the wrong way.
Most men will never admit they fear a women and it goods to show that even when they do, it’s not taken seriously. Even in the recording with the cops he tells them she’s saying I have a demon in me and I’m not really her husband, the cops asks how does that make her a danger to herself or anyone else? Umm idk sounds like a mental crisis to me
It’s a shame dads will never be equaled to a mother rip to him
Exactly
@@karenpatterson4107p o9😊00😊😊😊
It is upsetting that they didn't mention him, but maybe it's because his case is still possibly open?
Still cannot understand why the police didn't listen to Charles Vallow!! 😢
Exactly! That poor man was desperately trying to get people to understand how serious the situation was!
They usually don't
Like most they side with the predator
PaganPunk… Because they were to “enraptured” by the pretty little “petite” giggling blonde…
That’s why!… smh
The police usually don't believe men when they report anything about being abused and/or threatened by women.
Without the context of everything that happened after, the person that first reported this sounds crazy, for lack of a better word. I mean, these facts are still remarkable to believe even after the case. I think the police assumed he was a cheating husband trying to claw his wife back. Hindsight makes this easier to believe.
He was so desperate and he just wanted to protect the children! It’s just awful what happened to Charles. What I don’t understand is why after his death the police failed to look more deeply.
I wonder how many women Chad tried that "we were married in a previous life" line on before Lori. 🙄🤦♀️
I heard somewhere that he tried it on Melanie Gibb as well, before meeting Lori.
Classic con artist 😂
😂😂😂
This case is horrible, but I chuckled at this comment.
Exactly my thoughts. Low life.
She was living her best life in Hawaii while her children were dead in the ground, sounds very familiar to Casey Anthony, thank goodness for this jury.
Perfect Analogy only thing I wonder is if Chad daybell will get the same results as Casey Anthony did
Except that Casey was innocent.
@@NKellyMullennot a chance
What is she smiling for???? She is absolutely out of her mind. So sad for those poor kids.
Lori is a psychopath who walked among us. 😢
It's called "duping delight", which is a satisfied smirk that betrays the certainty that she will get away with all this.
She thinks she did God's work and is going to heaven.
Nah. She just performed a post birth abortion. Her body, her choice. Right?
She wasn’t smiling last week.
The most disturbing part is how she NEVER showed any sign of missing her own children!!!🤯
Because she really was crazy and believed they was demons she totally disassociated from them
More disturbing than the murders ?
The most disturbing part is that she MURDERED her children herself. 🤦🏼♀️
I beleive she became possessed by evil spirit
It’s crazy. Not one tear.
I listened to Lori Vallow Daybell’s cousin on a podcast recently. This cousin grew up with Lori and knew her and Alex very well. The cousin (sorry can’t remember her name) stated clearly that Lori has always been very selfish and always got her way through manipulation and straight up meanness. She only appeared to be a “perfect mother” because this is how narcissists operate- it’s all about appearances.
Her name is Megan. She's also on the Mormon Podcast Stories with the Guy John and Mindy.
Loris cousin , Meghan Conner.
Meghan's dad, Rex Connor, is Loris mother's (Janice's), brother. Rex Conner,who seems like a kind, good oerso❤n, but shockingly, he could pass for Alex Cox's identical twin!!!!
@@ainokea911john dehlin podcast Mormon Stories. I’ve been watching Mormon Stories on RUclips for a couple years now and people have no clue how crazy this religion is or how much money and power they have. A lot of their congregants don’t even know what goes on in the temple until it’s their day for their endowments. IMHO it’s no wonder so many deaths, including the recent one of the woman author of that children’s book about grief was Mormon. Same about the dentist that killed his wife and mother of his children. It’s a lot.
@@downy1202 Faith is dead without works. Jesus is my leader. Discernment is very critical, especially now. We have to live with a sense of urgency. Unfortunately money is their God.
💯 Chad was husband FIVE. Two of them now suspiciously dead. She had issues way before him.
The failure of law enforcement is unimaginable in this case. Did you see her almost smiling after her ex was killed
The entire family is off all three generations. The teenage girls behavior was off to. Psychopathy is genetic. Not all with psychopathy are sadistic. Neuroscientist James Fallon a psychopath and the father of multiple children who possess the psychopathy gene wrote a good book on the topic.
I did! It was disgusting! The police failed miserably!!!
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Duper’s delight.
And the cop was definitely feeling some sort of flirtation vibe going on while questioning her ... ridiculous. You weigh around 126 pounds? Smile. Yes. Giggle.
I always feel sorry for Charles, the police footage of him, he looks terrified but trying to keep it together. If she hadn’t been able to charm the police into thinking he was talking nonsense and Charles had been taken seriously….none of this might have happened! For those that say she had been somewhat brainwashed by Chad, if she truly believed in what she was saying, it wouldn’t have been selective. She selected to not tell the officers that she thought Charles and her children were demons or zombies to her because she knew it would land her in jail, she knows the difference between right and wrong….she isn’t mad or brainwashed….she’s bad and evil!
I hope Kay and Larry filed lawsuit against Arizona Police
All the police had to do was pay attention to her and the brother’s demeanor. As far as Charles… there’s not much he could’ve done except avoid her crazy self… but I’m sure he was worried about his son
But why would a business man like Charles go to the police for no reason? Why did the cops believe Lori rather than him?
@@gemmag.2988 I've watched the footage of Lori in the police station that day (I don't remember from where I've seen it, might have been the Netfilx documentary) and let me tell you, she completely manipulated the two officers questioning her. If I recall correctly, she just randomly chatting to avoid the main topic, she's very cooperated (or she acted like that to show the officers she's not insane), she was kind of acting like a psycopath to me but she left the impression that she was a completely stable, independant, innocent and funny woman - opposite to what Charles told the officers. These officers were totally manipulated into thinking that way so they didn't believe in what Charles said. And she was also in some beauty pageant before and being pretty famous there so I think that's one of the reason why the police didn't think she was insane like Charles said. She also painted a bad picture of Charles and victimize herself so... she just won that day :|
Its funny that the defense tried to make it seem like Chad was the mastermind that was pulling the strings. You know 100% Lori used sex and seduction to get Chad to do WHATEVER she wanted.
They should have gave her the death penalty
They were... right up until the prosecutors office dropped the damn ball and effed up and didn't submit paperwork to the courts on time. This forced the DP to be taken off the table for her. Disgusting. I hope somebody got fired for this egregious oversight.
@@LittleBlueOwl318really? It’s called discovery that was still coming in and it was given over however the defense said they didn’t have time to go through it because their client didn’t waive her right to a speedy trial.
They still might if she’s found guilty of Charles in Arizona!
agree
Absolutely. I agree 💯%.
Those smiles and smirks on Lori's face will fade as she becomes insignificant and cameras are no longer around. She will grow old and hated by people in jail. She had a direct hand in those killings and everyone knows it. Shes a narcissistic psychopath and not believable. She'll die old and alone. Thats justice.
Unless she meets more wackadoodles in jail and starts her following in there. These like mind people are everywhere.
Her new mugshot looks likes shes aged significantly. Looks shot out and weatherbeaten.
@@seemenomore8900 You mean democrats.?😂
@@javiermori1710 Lori will be getting Prison Justice.
Not seeing her live to old age. Eventually she'll have to go to gen pop. Lots of mothers who haven't seen their living kids in quite a while. Short shelf life in the facility
for somebody who claimed to discern "dark" spirits, she ever look in the mirror?!
Of course she had wall to wall mirrors in one room so she could practice dancing to Heavenly music for Chad LOL
The most shocking part of this story is that 5 men married this succubus because of her looks. They totally ignored her psychopathic, manipulative ways.
That’s the most shocking part? Your comment reminded me of a joke by Norm Macdonald…some people say that the worst part of Bill Cosby being a rapist is his hypocrisy. What about all the raping! 😂😂😂
Surely she was raking in money with divorce settlements? Greedy psycho.
She definitely isn't a beauty queen anymore!
Swamp witch. She should tie her hair up
@@quantumnature514 mom do you know what a succubus is 💀💀💀
This woman is beyond anything. Lady your looks are getting worse day by day. Must be that ugly heart of hers shining through. Thank God for justice….although she deserves much worse than this, it’s a start. #RIPTyleeandJJ
Her fillers are disappearing. 😂
Exactly, she definitely used her looks and charm. Seems to me at times she even had some police officers mesmerized!!
The apple doesn't fall far from the tree, and in 5 years she'll be a walking Shar-pei convention, just like her Mama.
i don’t get people calling her a beauty queen??? she is so ugly! inside and out!
She went from hot to not. Although i suspect she was always not, even before she met Chad ''spring break''Daybell.
My heart bleeds for Charles. He sought help. He told them she threatened him, and he feared for his children's, as well as his own safety. How they let them go after his report still baffles me. If they had investigated his case more thoroughly, three lives could have been saved. From all accounts, Charles was a good, kind, generous man who loved his wife and children. It is so sad that the very people he cared for murdered him. RIP Charles, Tylee, JJ, and gentle Tammy. Justice is coming. One down and Chubb Dumbbell will be next. I hope they go after Melanie P. and Zulema. I'm sure Melanie G. received immunity, but she is just as guilty.
@Ulie Brandon
I’m betting Zulema received immunity too. Yes, I think more people than just Chad and Lori hold guilt for all this tragedy, but those are the originators they were after so the few others they could pin down were offered immunity in exchange of damning testimony that secured conviction. Hopefully it will for dumbbell too!
Zulema had immunity. And, as I understand thus far Melanie P is cleared.
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Hearing Charles basically pleading for help absolutely shatters my heart. He wasn’t perfect but he was a great husband and father. Such a shame that his life had to end because of her selfishness. The police really dropped the ballon that one.
Being a resident of Chandler the tyrant's with badges and gun's are dirty and corrupt my ex pulled a gun on me I wrote out a statement and Chandler PD did nothing found out later on his ex had connections with the tyrant's
There weren't 3 victims in this. The fourth was charles vallow. He was also murdered by alex at lori's direction. Rip to these 4 victims. Lori is exactly where she belongs now.
Also Alex Cox
Exactly!
And probably Joseph Ryan … This woman is a monster .
Death penalty.
It amazes me how some people can be so disconnected from reality.
Most humans are gullible, easily convinced of unrealistic sh!t. My sister is a judge and yet she fell for a scam of buying a piece of Jesus’s cross… like, even if such thing existed it would have disintegrated by now. 🤦♂️
@@ingGS I mean with the power of Jesus anything can be explained away. I just gotta know how much did she buy it for 🤣
Religion.
All it takes is religion. Religion(s) are not based in fact. They’re based on faith. Faith is NOT a pathway to the truth.
But yet accomplish what they really want. It's like their delusional beliefs are so complex so they dont recognize their true goals usually comprise of at least four or five of the seven deadly sins.
As painful as it was to hear, I am glad Lori's son and sister absolutely laid into her. No shielding, nothing, just pure, justified anger at her.
@@privateaccount6009 😮😮😮
I agree 100% ! Especially the way Summer screamed at Lori D., exactly what was needed ! And when Lori's whole family didn't come to her trial, except Lori's 1 uncle coming to hear when the verdict was read .
@@lorileary4432 Uncle came, “In Support of The Victim’s.”
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Peace&Respect 🧡
@@ms.mojo_risin, great to hear that !
@@privateaccount6009 Don’t tell us to research this garbage. If you have something nasty to say about Lori’s son by all means spit it out.
I don't believe she changed when she met Chad. I think it's more likely that she was always narcissistic who's facade was the "perfect" mum. A narcissist would love to hear that they're a reincarnated goddess. Two narcissists got together with awful consequences.
Chris Watts all over, monster behind the mask.
Completely agree.
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Absolutely, without a doubt!
Aint gonna lie but she was hot
Unfortunately when you hear the kids are missing but the parents are going around on vacations, you know they are gone.
She still doesn't believe she's done anything wrong. She believes she has saved her children and is suffering only as a persecuted martyr.
Agreed😁
Yes and she will not see it otherwise. To do so would force her to a reality that is too harsh.
Possibly. Or she's a total sociopath with no real human emotion who knew what she was doing. But I'm giving the edge to the martyrdom theory. Or a combo platter of both. Yes, that sounds about right.
I doubt it. "Martyrs" stand by their actions. She tried to hide hers.
Yes, and that's why they don't ever need to be free. Because it will definitely happen again!!!
I'm quite sure that her actions as a "loving " mother was performative. She enjoyed the accolades but she's always been an evil narcissist. There's no way that you go from an involved and loving mother and change just because you meet a new man. She's evil. This is heartbreaking.
TRUE!
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These have been my exact thoughts all along. It’s weird that so many people keep describing her as the perfect mother when even the most angelic, patient and loving mothers are never described as perfect. They’re described with the words I listed and others such as, very involved and sincerely interested in helping their children grow up to be good people.
The “perfect mom” was just a facade she spent decades honing. She was performative for anyone who came around. She probably played the perfect mom in front of Charles as well, he seemed genuinely bowled over that she changed so much in such a short period of time. And sure, people can change overnight, however that’s something that happens after a severe head injury, a stroke, a concussion, that sort of thing. Sometimes PTSD can be silent for decades and suddenly surface by a triggering event. But that’s not what happened to Lori.
Lori is some sort of sociopath, at the very least she’s a narcissist. But she’s spent her lifetime doing a good job hiding her real self from pretty much everyone.
idk, sure she probably had underlying mental/ego issues. but a lot of people do and they don’t end up killing their kids. per her oldest son she seemed to be relatively normal prior to meeting chad, so i’m confused on that. but who knows, we’re all just speculating. we don’t know Lori, we don’t know who she rly was before. all we know is now she’s an evil POS. We can speculate how she got there but does it rly matter? i get the interest but i think too much interest and focus on the assailants take away from the victims. The kids are what matter, Charles and Tammy as well. so sad they lost their lives at the hands of these monster freaks. I agree it’s super heartbreaking
@@PennyPennyPennyPennyPenny Yup, religion in a nutshell.
I’m a huge supporter of the men in blue who risk their lives every day to protect me and my loved ones. But every time I see the videos with Charles Vallow telling the Arizona cops how freaked out he was by Lori, it makes me so angry that the cops didn’t take him seriously.
Agreed!!! 😢
I want those lions in your picture. I love lions. All big cats, really. But lions in particular.
Cops have to listen to a lot of liars too. Hard to tell the difference.
Yes me too. They did not take it seriously, which lead to so much more assaults, lies and murders!! I'm sure they feel bad, but that self defense her brother did he should have never been let free. It's like they did not investigate until they started searching for the children 😢!!
It's often that reports made by men about women are taken with little to no seriousness. What police fail to understand is that women can be just as dangerous, just in different ways and sometimes even same ways as men can be. Lori was literally at the center of so much hurt!
They murdered Charles Vallow. There was no self defense!
Lori’s mother should be ashamed of herself. In her first interview with 48hours she outright lied. She said she’d spoken to Lori and could hear JJ in the background and he came on the phone. This was after both kids had been announced missing. So she was trying plant the seed Lori was hiding her kids for their own safety.
Well, I feel moved to say again and again that mental illness is hereditary….you don’t get someone with a personality disorder in a vacuum. Mood disorders are completely different, bc depression and anxiety, for example, can be situational. PTSD can happen to anyone. But to have a personality disorder without a conscience has to involve being a sociopath or a psychopath. The psychological dynamics of LDV’s parents and siblings are unknown….people can speculate.
@능이백슉 You can’t “raise” a child to have a personality disorder in adulthood. Mental illness is genetically based, but there has to be trauma of some kind to fire the genes, such as childhood emotional, physical, or social abuse, or even a divorce….the child’s personality determines what registers as trauma. We know that the paradigm of “Nature vs Nurture” which reigned in developmental psychology since it’s inception is really “Nature *AND* Nurture”….both are involved. I know a lot of people think the dynamics of psychology aren’t difficult, and they throw a lot of terms around, but the practice is _extremely_ difficult to learn and to apply, which people can see if they look under APA approved programs.
@@voraciousreader3341 People with Narcissistic Personality Disorder and those high on the narcissistic spectrum also have no conscience. Other family members usually pick it up. They sometimes call it “narcissistic fleas” but it’s usually full blown narcissism or close to it. It happened in my family but I was the chosen scapegoat and didn’t get it.
@@voraciousreader3341 I think you’re right. It’s both nature and nurture. Some people are born with a greater tendency toward narcissism. It’s not just trauma that causes it though. Often a child that is spoiled will become narcissistic.
That’s called obstruction of Justice, I believe
It's so telling to me that Melanie Gibb had a hard time deciding to tell the truth about JJ's whereabouts. She claims to be super religious but yet she wrestles with being honest? I, as a nonreligious person, would have zero hesitation in telling the truth.
Oh boy, I know atheists more forth coming than these people. They were lying to their teeth. Very sad that MG and Zulema are walking away, they should be in prison as well.
It’s the ones who hide behind religion or false altruism that are their own kind of narcs
I agree about Melanie G., if THAT is a friend, you don't need enemies . I also think that Zulema should be in jail too (forever) !
Me too.
Yes, that's why I don't believe everything she's saying. Because she was into all of this, and probably still believe a lot of it!!
In 3 years, Lori has aged unbelievably. I would have thought being away from Chad, she would snap out it and express remorse AT LEAST!
Narcistic people never have remorse.. and yes she aged unbelievably, it's showing the world her real evil face..
All her Botox is wearing off. Happy to see it. Couldn’t happen to a better person. Complete monster.
Agree! I like when she was found guilty it quickly wiped her smirk off her face, she looked miserable and old.
No one snaps out of it.
She was probably having cosmetic treatments done... Botox, etc
LOOK AT HER FACE WHEN READING GUILTY VERDICT !! SHE THOUGHT ALEX WOULD BE BLAMED AND SHE WOULD WALK FREE !!
I have been following this from the beginning. 48 Hours did a good job in presenting the entire story in a concise way. I have to say, I shed a tear during JJ's Grandpa's statement. There was a lot of love there and its just so sad they won't have any more memories to make.
I echo that. I needed to see a concise documentary on this, although 48 hours could have added more quite vital info. its limited to its 41 min approx time slot unfortunately.
Agreed
It’s hard to believe that these are real people. The way they committed all these murders and got married 17 days after is like watching a cheesy Lifetime movie or reading an awful novel. Taking the lives of your own children 😢
I just made me think about, who I might be right next to! It might be very easy to fall into these crazy beliefs, I guess it helps to be nice to everyone, at least the feeling of being accepted might bring people back to reality!
If Charles Vallow’s death were investigated by competent police officers these three lovely souls would have been saved from this unthinkable tragedy.
I agree, the chandler police department dropped the ball big time.
I don't know, no crime had been committed . They really couldn't do anything .
@@desertsunset8025 accept they really took Charles word for granted, no one ever believed him and that led to this tragedy :( he was so desperated to save his children but these people (even the family, relatives not just the police) were so blind, not single one person listened to him until it was too late :( I feel kinda sad for him, I hope he got justice as well
@@haleymirage6207 they can't lock lori up just because she threatened him . I know it's not fair , but the police have to go by the law .
Her interaction with the police alone after the shooting was a huge red flag. She was all smiles and doesn't seem shaken that her husband was shot. And this happened after Charles told the police that his wife threatened his life. Isn't that suspicious enough to dig deep?
It's so upsetting that two innocent children died in an outrageous reason.. I hope they rest in heaven❤️
Those videos of Tylee looking after JJ break my heart. What a greater older sister looking out for her brother. Of course that’s why these psychos killed Tylee first, to leave JJ defenseless. It’s sickening what Chad and Lori did for money, she threw her kids out like they were garbage
Nate Eaton from East Idaho News is a ROCKSTAR in chasing and giving us updates on this story. Thank you Nate!❤
I watched him last night, I already miss him. Such a nice person, he is a journalist, but have a smile on his face, a big one every day. This case is beyond crazy.
Love Nate, especially at Christmas time!
BIG Nate fan here, as well! He is AWESOME‼️‼️‼️🥳🥰🥰🥰
Is that who’s narrating this? I keep hearing about how much people like him and I’ve never heard of him. Can someone let me know?
Search East Idaho News Lori Vallow. You’ll find that famous clip.
This is so horrific.
and he'll be strumming his Ukulele for the rest of his existence... !!!
I want to smack that smirk off her face she’s not sorry her kids are gone she’s sorry she got caught I hope Charles Manson chads trial is on tv
This woman is a monster
It’s always the most evil amongst us who talk about casting evil out of people.
I feel so awful for Colby...He lost his entire family! I hope he will heal.
He raped his wife. He either is as evil as Lori or the events of what happened have turned him evil...I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw that he had been arrested recently...just horrible. Nothing good comes from Lori Dumbell
He even lost his wife and child.
@@LKCLifer how
He was accused of rape in 2022.maybe she left him? The charges were dropped however
I think that would be a struggle for even the strongest person.
I doubt he'd want to live much after this.
I wouldn't.
Damn, the way Tylie protectively hugged JJ and said “are you filming MY child?” She obviously didn’t mean it literally but it shows she was willing to do anything to protect JJ. That little video clip made me cry.
Me too. I honestly believe Tylee was JJ's real mother. I think JJ was a burden to her. Tylee was older and would've been alive, but she knew too much and there's no way anyone would've been able to touch JJ, if she were alive.
@@jenniferfuller2254 wasn’t she 17 and he 7 she would have to be 10 when she had him or am I wrong about the age? This case is so sad
@@elishadeal1027 I meant she was his real mother as in how she loved, treated and took care of him. It seems like she loved and protected him in a motherly way. Even more than the person who was supposed to be his real mother.
@@jenniferfuller2254 that’s why they killed Tylee first, they knew that too. 😢
TYLIE PROBABLY KNEW LORI DIDN'T REALLY WANT JJ...LORI WANTED HIS CHECK...SAD!
Lori's sister Summer had spent years in denial and stood by Lori's side. To see her have a meltdown at the jailhouse call for finally snapping out from denial somehow breaks my heart. I don't blame Summer for spending years wanting to believe Lori. Lori after all is her sister, and Lori being a narcissistic manipulator can easily make her family believe her.
Even if she wanted to believe her, her common sense should have taken over. Lori couldn’t/wouldn’t provide any proof of life. Lori could have provided a voice recording of the kids to back up what she was saying. Summer should have been more concerned for her niece and nephew.
This is usually the culture in families like the Coxes who are image and religion obsessed. Check out the interview by her cousin Meghan. A very sick and dysfunctional dynamic in the whole clan
I can’t imagine the distress she was experiencing when she was given too much insurmountable evidence to doubt the truth anymore. Her brain tried to shield her from that grief for all those years that she was protecting Lori. That phone call ended up being such a significant piece of evidence in this case
@@keepingitnatural7601 Trust me, logic wouldn't work when you were manipulated by a narcissistic person. I have one narcissistic sister in my family and I was one who always defended her regardless my discomfort of some of the illogical things my sister did, but I still believed and defended her at all costs. Took me years to really grasp the reality.
@@MsFunology yes. Lori was even trying to manipulate her still through the call with the “you know me” talk. That was really sad. Her sister had to realize she didn’t know her sister and what she was capable of.
Colby was lucky. He didn't have a Social Security check from a desd father & he didn't take out an insurance policy making his mother the benificiary. or he'd be dead too....And the brother "dropping dead" from natural causes was Karma.
Her smirk FINALLY goes away during the guilty verdicts...welcome to her new reality.
It was back when she got her mug shot .
She looks a mess
Imagine telling the police how crazy your wife is, and you end up sounding crazy.
For real 😢😅, if I had seen that clip of his interview before tragedy struck I too would have believed he was maybe over exaggerating and it wasn’t that serious, little did we know crazy things do actually happen in real life, whole story looks like a plot from a fictional movie
I was actually laughing because of the way he said "she creeps the sh*t out of me". Then I felt guilty of not taking a murderer seriously. So sad.
@@p2kCrime Well, it’s an oddly funny statement.
@brendabushman Sadly, that’s how it is in narcissistic relationships, and the police often can’t do anything, because the narcs make sure to keep their facade, and gaslighting going, to make the victim look crazy. It’s just so twisted.
It works the other way, as well, and many more wives are murdered by husbands than the other way around. It’s because it’s so rare that husbands have a hard time being believed by authorities.
Seeing that leathery faced monster smiling in the courtroom, thinking she’s done this world a service, enraged me to my core. Of course the beauty queen would be the ‘leader’ of the thousands of people who survived the apocalypse. People like this should never be parents in the first place. The fact she was so easily ready to throw her ENTIRE family away, makes me feel that she would’ve done this even without chads influence. Disgusting monsters.
Exactly
She would've fit right in with the Manson family except Charlie never killed children (except for Baby Paul who died with Sharon.)
Lori’s beliefs about her children sound frighteningly similar to Ruby Franke’s, who is also Mormon.
Thank goodness Franke’s children survived 💔
Yes. Because the little boy escaped and thus saved his sister is why they survived. Ruby & Jodi were getting ready to move them to the desert. Thank God.
She told people her husband was dead already and no one called the police. Red flags everywhere but no one does anything. Typical.
All the innocent people targeted by this narcissistic, egomaniacal couple. If only Lori’s family had listened to Charles and helped him, only Joe would have lost his life. What happened to him was terrible, in itself. How many lives do you think she has destroyed? We need a “This is Your Life” show where everyone she victimized, over her lifetime, could share their stories. It could serve as a warning on what to watch for during childhood, teens and adulthood. People need to understand the warning signs , to protect themselves, and possibly intervene, before it becomes THIS.
I HEARD ON QONE OF THESE SHOWS. HER FATHER WAS LIKE WE ARE THE MOST SPECIAL FAMILY. WE ARE BETTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE. I WOULD LIKE MORE INFO ON THIS AREA. MAYBE LIKE YOU SAID WE CAN LEARN MORE ABOUT HOW SHE WAS TRAINED? AS NARCISSIT?
@@furfamily1 it’s believed to be both a genetic predisposition and then a dysfunctional environment finishes the job.
Very solutions oriented comments. Not bad suggestions to stem the problem by helping people recognize the behaviors of people who have serious issues that need to be addressed by society before people die.
Loris husband turned to law enforcement and the government for help, thanks to them not helping 3 innocent peoples lives were taken because government didn’t feel the need to “protect and serve”. The families should be wanting accountability from the government as well
Don’t you mean the local police force, yes I know they are government workers. Did you see how she flirted and laughed with the police in the interview they were smitten.
Are we all not to blame? We never take domestic violence or such cases from men seriously
It is NOT the job of the police or government to protect individual citizens from harm.
What does Lori say about being in Hawaii getting married and dancing in the beach when her kids were missing?
She knew they were dead but she told everyone her kids were safe and happy😢
Only one positive outcome of this horrific story is that world had known Grandpa of JJ - what a hero ! He's the best guy out here. So sorry for the loss... This case is unbelievable and just outta reality to be honest.
Grandpa JJ showed all the feeling and sorrow that Lori and Chad would never know--for these two are the true zombies: dead inside.
This is so sickening! Those poor baby's, the last moments of their life were full of fear and a question, why would my mom, family do this?! As a mom myself this breaks my momma heart. This is so sad. 😞 Then hearing the grandpa cry out for them in the end had me bawling.
Ikr, and I'm so glad in this episode they talked about Tylee a little more by interviewing a friend. It was nice to hear what type of teenager she was.
I still don't get it. If Kay Woodcock is Charles Vallow's sister, how is she the 'grandmother' (of JJ/ who Charles adopted?), and her husband, the 'grandfather'? It's confusing to say the least.
@@22ergie Charles - who was shot dead in July 2019 - was JJ's biological uncle and adopted the boy from his nephew, Todd Trahan, who suffered from addiction. JJ's biological mom, Mandy Leger, also suffered from substance abuse issues. Todd’s Parents are Kay & Larry Woodcock.
@@makeupluva7658 Thank you so much for the actual back story, I thought I was losing my mind, as it was a bit confusing.
@@22ergieYeah, it's complicated. I was trying to explain it to my brother: "So like, if your son and his gf and had a baby, but they couldn't care for him, so you're like "Im his grandparent [think Kay Woodcock] - the baby can live with me and my spouse" -and y'all absolutely love him, but you know that it's not an ideal situation- so I'm like, "Hey, Im your younger sibling [think Charles Vallow] - Im stable, I have a spouse [think 🤮] and there's another kid here to be his sibling, there's a good educational system here for his particular needs." So you give me your grandchild to raise asva part of my blended family. I formally adopt him, as does my wife, so he is 'OUR son,' but of course, being his grandparents, y'all are crazy about him, and you call and video chat with him several times a week, and this goes on for years. Then you hear that me and my wife are getting a seperation. There is a good chance that the child will end up with me, and if I can't handle that, you will be more than happy to have him back- he IS y'alls grandson. In the meantime, you videochat with him regularly. Then you hear that Im dead because my estranged wife's brother shot me (in the big beautiful house that I was providing for the whole family while I lived somewhere else, because im such an evil guy). Now, as his grandparents and without your brother (me) as a crucial link, you are more determined than ever to maintain your connection with your grandson (I had told you, my wife wasn't safe, something may happen, and that I was signing over my life insurance policy to you, because, my (adopted) son will likely be returning to you if something happens to me. So now, Ive died a violent death, while supposedly doing something way out of character (physically attacking my wife), and you want to make SURE your grandson is ok- on a regular basis, until you can get custody sorted out. Then one day, you can't reach him. There is one strange interaction where he clearly cannot speak freely, and someone else is holding the phone. After that, you don't hear from him again. Your brother (me) is dead and now you can't reach your grandson, who I had been ra
ising as part of my family. After a couple weeks of getting the run around you ask the police to go confirm that your grandson is ok.
I believe the first visit caught them totally off guard. They just said the kids were wherever, and they didn't expect the police come back, not knowing why they were there for a welfare check. They probably felt they had succeeded in assuring them that everything was fine. I believe it was when the police returned a day or two later, that Lori's brother, Alex, was there and told the police that JJ was out of town, visiting his grandma Kay, not knowing she was the one who requested the welfare check. I can't imagine what it was like, to receive that call, from the police hundreds of miles away, saying "Is your grandson by any chance visiting you?because that's where they say he is." Her stomach must have dropped. I'm guessing at that moment, Kay Woodcock and her husband (I'm sorry, I'm not recalling his name) knew that this was not going to end well.
The whole thing is so unbelievably horrific and unnecessary. The Woodcocks, Lori's older son, Lori's sister- they all would have taken both kids. She had so much support. She likely could have manipulated them into taking them quietly and letting her continue to get their monthly checks. She and Chad hurt so many people. From the victims, to the families, to law enforcement, right down to the jurors who can't unsee those pictures, none of them will ever be the same. And for what? Because she wanted to live some carefree fairy tale life with this man- and this man she loved so much, wanted so bad, apparently didn't want her if she didn't come with Charles's million dollar life insurance payout or the $6000 a month she was stealing from the kids.
*Sorry this is so long. It just occurred to me Tylee's dad died in 2018- hardly ancient history- and Tyler had been receiving 2000 a month since then. Do we know how Tylee's dad died? Was it a violent or suspicious death? Or was it legit, but it got the wheels turnin in old Gory Lori's mind?- I wonder.
This woman reminds me so much of my wife's mom. My wife has a near-endless amount of stories of abuse from her mother, and yet everyone around them almost worshipped her mom as a perfect wife and mother, always telling my wife and her siblings growing up how lucky they are to have such a "sweet and loving" mother. My wife ended up reading about "covert narcissism" when she was a young teenager, and everything began to click. I doubt this woman, Lori, was ever the person the people around her thought her to be.
my partner's mom is like this too.
💯 you nailed it
Body cams for all parents.
No she was a master manipulater
@@judyeverist646 covert narcissists are master manipulators.
Why would you bury him in her own backyard or her boyfriend’s backyard is just the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard
So you can over see them in case ppl start questioning things. & if you ever have to, you can dig up the bodies & move them. I know that sounds sick, but that’s why.
I can almost smell death through the screen. Chad and this horrible woman are monstrous people. In these cases, the death penalty would not be too harsh.
I think life is prison is better. Death is too kind.
Again I thought the chris watch case was the worst I had ever heard until I heard this this is just unbelievable but After seeing all the stuff I have seen with the mass shootings in America and all of that I have come to the conclusion that the devil is alive and well on this planet and it's like the purge. Also mass shootings every other day people just losing their minds attacking people with bad's Karen's. Going? Crazy at Walmart I mean the whole thing is just gone to h*** in a handbasket
Death wouldn’t be too harsh but I think for Lori life is a harsher punishment. All she’s ever wanted was attention and life in prison allows her to fade into obscurity. Death sentence would give the attention she seeks for years and years.
I think desth penalty is not enough, let them suffer until they beg for death
Unbelievable! The cops in Arizona really dropped the ball. If they had taken this seriously, they could have prevented these deaths. Lori's mother and sister were blind and now get to live with this.
Police are NOT obligated to protect citizens from harm.
Yes they are bozo, especially when they know there's an imminent threat.
@@Ausgar-yc1yl So you're condoning vigilante justice?
Kinda like the way the Moab, UT police sided with Gabbi Petito's eventual murderer Brian and did not take their domestic abuse situation seriously. Her family IS suing that police department in civil court for their gross negligence and actually joking with Brian about how crazy women get sometimes.It's a wrongful death suit.
She knows what she did was wrong or she went of lied about where the kids were. She’s just a sociopath she’s NOT brainwashed by any cult beliefs.
How do you decline an autopsy in an unexplained, unexpected death ! Not in the UK !
I cant imagine the fear JJ and Tylee suffered during his ordeal, it sounds horrific.
My heart just broke seeing JJ's grandparents walk out of the courthouse & the crowd was singing, "We Will Rock You!" It was happy tears & sad tears. Paw Paw Larry is so sweet! "Love always wins!" He even said Tammy is apart of their life! 😢❤
Happy to read that at the end, that Lori may face trial in Arizona in connection with Charles death. 🎉🎉
The only silver lining is that Charles changed his will before she got her nasty hands on it, the rest is really awful and sad 😢
Evil. You go to Hawaii when your kids are missing. You get married. I wouldn't ever be able to give a relationship the consideration or time if they had missing kids. My life would be consumed with finding them. Anything else is insane!! And for sure it's intensely suspicious.
They forgot about her other husband that her brother Alex killed
They brought him up. Just not for very long. 😕
that's what I was wondering, why they don't mention Charles?
@@sheilakeenan7448 a pulmonary embolism they’re pretty hard to fake.
They had a whole segment on Charles, guess you didn’t watch
That trial will take place in Maricopa County Arizona where he was killed. Believe me, no one has forgotten about Charles Vallow. They do have the death penalty in Arizona.
One of the most tragic things for me was watching her daughter defend her when she was interviewed by police. She talks about how she stepped in front of her mom to defend her.
That child would've died honorably for her family. Instead she was murdered by her mother for nothing more than sex and no one can convince me that religion had anything to do with it.
She did it for the $ as well.
Power, Sex & GREED.
It wasn't really "religion". She was in a little doomsday cult.
$$$ and mental illness
Lori should have looked at herself she was the Demon a dark entity the LE ignored Charles his family should sue for damages as he was killed.Did Lori get sentenced yet?
I couldn’t stop from bursting into tears seeing the grandfather talk at the end after they sing JJ’s favorite song. Heart shattering. May those 2 murderous animals rot forever in misery
Lori was completely unconcerned about where her children were. She was not frantically searching for them as any normal mother would have. That says guilt to me - no doubt.
I feel like Chad is just as guilty as Lori and I hope he’s found guilty. He is dangerous
I completely agree. It has absolutely nothing to do with religion or believing they were zombies. It's pure greed. If they truly believed these people were zombies and they were saving them, why did the life insurance mean so much? Why continue to collect money? Why did they ONLY end the "zombies" they would benefit from financially?! That to me proves it was all about the money and neither of them actually believed in zombies they just use that as an excuse to manipulate Melanie and others.
Yeah blame the man
ABSOLUTELY! He’s up to his revolting NECK in this…
@@franknitti119099.9% of the time I’d agree with you… I could write a book about greedy, dishonest, hypocritical, entitled, professional-victim narcissistic, women, and their BS. But, in this case, that guy is jus gas guilty.
@@franknitti1190 those kids were found on his property after all
Don’t blame the mother’s evil on Chad. That is nothing but trying to excuse her behavior. They are both equally evil.
I don’t want to hear how perfect of a mother she was from her stupid friends.
And the girl doesn’t question anything about her father being shot?
The friend who covered for them should be in prison too.
The chick who married Alex absolutely knew that she murdered her kids. She was at the little rituals and knew what was going on and then now wants to act innocent like she had no idea what was going on. All of these people need to be in prison.
And the stupid cops don’t even search Chad’s property?
Don't understand yr last paragraph. Agree about Alex's wife knowing. I don't think MG ever believed her friend would hurt the children. There had been ongoing drama btwn Lori + Charles. Narcissist Lori believed she was a victim, not Charles and M Gibb really believed the kids were staying somewhere safe. She was naive yes, but otherwise i agree with u. K
The police have to have a warrant issued from a judge. There has to be probable cause.
Not blaming him. But he went a long with it. He’s also in a court
@@DopamineDecor Seriously?
Charles was NOT her father.
I can’t wrap my head around this 😔 how can someone be so heartless
All three of them. Lori, Chad & Alex all played a murderous part.
They were all Mormons. Latter Day Saints. Very strange.
Why strange? It's a cult.
Death penalty should have been given immediately following the trial. What a waste of life these people are.
I'd rather she go to prison and let the other inmates make her as miserable as possible for the rest of her rotten life. Child killers don't do well in prison, especially narcissists like Lori.
(Edit to add: She's a child killer because she's just as responsible for their deaths as the ones who physically ended their lives.)
@S A that's a lie. You are endangering everyone even people in prisons with that twisted view.
@@12thDecember great, let's spend $100,000 per year on this serial murderer so you can feel good and she can train others to harm once they get out.
@@12thDecember I am an Idahoan and Lori is in prison.I dont know why people do not think she is.We have min.med,max prison in Kuna,Idaho and that is where she will get old.Without any D.Like she deserves.
I wonder if Charles’ older kids can file a claim against the police department- seriously - for not protecting their father -- it took 12 days WOW
I hope so were Larry and Kay, my heart goes to them, I hope they will justice for Charles, Tylee, JJ and Tammy
Sounds like they thought he was the crazy one. So sad.
No crime had been committed . They couldn't do anything . He would have been better off to go to child protection agency .
@Leena Wexler WRONG!
@@desertsunset8025 WRONG!
This story has haunted me.I am so grateful they were able to convict.
A Beauty Queen and she married a Mr Potato Head looklike .? !?
She never show any remorse at all..no sorry,no regrets,no pain what so ever..pure evil.. i love their grandparents..such a sweet people..
@Leena Wexler Okay then who are they? Why has Court TV, the media, and other news outlets have called them their Grandparents?
They're jjs grandparents not tylee
Right, and when she laughed at her son's pain I wanted to jump threw my screen!!!
@Leena Wexler I bet they are something to Tylee now .
@Leena Wexler And your point is?
I wonder if people who think Lori used to be the best mom realize that's how narcissists are? They need you to believe they are the best at what they do; the best mom, best friend, wonderful wife; until that no longer serves them. When you listen to interviews by her cousins and siblings, you hear things like "it always had to be Lori's way." I think she's a narcissist who got her way so much that it only encouraged her delusions of grandeur to the point where she really believed she could do anything she wanted- and did.
She was spoiled rotten from Day One.
@@keithhunt6300 Literally
You hit this right on the head. I think Hidden True Crime’s interview with her cousin was what solidified this for me. She wasn’t perfect, she was just hiding.
💯. She called JJ "her niece's drug baby". She used him to look like a great mom, and a great wife, and used him for money. She didn't love him, or anyone, just herself. She had one child with each husband (except lucky #1). She knew EXACTLY what she was doing...her goal--money.
Tylee’s friend talking about how she looked out for JJ ,broke my heart.
You can see it in photos. She really cared for him. Those poor kids.
I bet anything Lori viewed Tylee trying to protect her brother from abuse as an unholy act of disobedience, or some selfish attachment. She was old enough to speak her mind if she felt he wasn't being treated right. Reminds me a lot of the Ruby, and Jodi case. Separating the siblings from each other. People who can convince themselves their messed up desires are revelations from god. No matter how cruel, it's justified in their heads as a merciful good. She probably wanted to punish JJ for behaviors he doesn't have control over.
So many of these abusive religious parents want to "fix" their kids when they were never broken. Just reacting to psychological, or physical abuse is demonic to them. They had other selfish motivations aswell.. but yea I think they saw Tylee's genuine love for her little brother as a threat that was in their way. I'm sure JJ would've been asking about where his sister was constantly, and why she didn't talk to him before leaving. That would've made Lori mad, and feel like she needs to take back control. Ugh it's all so sickening. My heart goes out to them.
Sometimes overly protective siblings stem from abusive households. It's not enough to know for certain, but it's totally possible. Tylee was incredibly strong either way.
We will never know if she truly was as good a mother as everyone claims. The only people who can honestly tell us are sadly deceased. Rest in Peace.
I’ll never call my wife crazy again.
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It’s astonishing to me more of these people didn’t go to police about Lori?? They sat by and listened to her talk in a crazed and frightening manner, yet did nothing!!!
Money, greed and NARCISSISM!
My biggest warmest hugs to JJ and Tylee's grandparents. I hope they're not blaming themselves for this, sometimes it's hard to spot evil.
They were not Tylee's grandparents.
Three innocent victims? There were actually four innocent people who were murdered by that deadly trio. What about Charles Vallow? He was also murdered by Lori, her brother Alex, and Chad.
Poor little boy, makes me physically sick thinking about how much he suffered and how terrified he must have been.
And the girl ?
@@brutarie225 they were not sure how she did exactly. I'm sure it was horrific also. It's just how the detective described how the boy was found. Was sickening.
She was dismembered and burnt. I'm sure it was awful.
@@aliciahoverson the woman is pure evil, I hope she suffers in prison.
@@MsBillybigbollocks oh man, so do I. I'm hoping the other inmates make her wish she was never born.
I cried when I first saw Larry's speech outside the courthouse. You could just feel his pain in losing his grandson and all the other lives lost from Lori and Chad's murders
Sitting here at work as a grown man I shared the same emotions.
@@17WayzPod There are two people I am so glad that we should not be: Lori's brother and mother.
I am glad they explained their financial motives. Truly despicable people.
I agree not mentioning Charles Vallow at the end was a huge mid-step. God bless him also.
She's really evil. Poor kids they didn't deserve what happened to them. RIP beautiful souls.
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I’m so glad that justice was served, but my heart will always feel immense sadness for all the victims. Hearing Charles ask for help makes me so angry. The police could’ve at least investigated his death more there were so many red flags. Then Tammy had no idea what was going on, and her life was taken from her. Then those poor innocent children, had their lives taken for simply being children. Absolutely evil I can’t wait for Chad to be found guilty. RIP Charles, Tammy, Tylee, and JJ.
Agreed, I believe the police felt like Charles was being a wuss and seemed to have a “how could that little lady be threatening?” attitude. Men are often physically and mentally abused and aren’t really taken seriously. This time, it led to several deaths. Those poor babies going through that, unimaginable.
It’s sad they didn’t catch her before. Charles knew she was nuts
I feel like justice will be served when Chad day bell is also found guilty. They both did this, it wasn't just her.
Either way, this is absolutely progress towards that goal, for which I'm grateful
I also feel so much for Tammys 5 children they not only lost their Mother, but they also lost their Father knowing he murdered their beautiful loving Mother. I can't even imagine what they must have and probably still are going through.
@@karenwelsh1705 I feel for them too. However, I’m just baffled that they don’t believe their father did this from the interviews I’ve seen. I hope they’ve changed their minds since. Ugh poor Tammy. I wish he would’ve just divorced her so she could’ve just lived her life..I can’t wait to see him behind bars.
What an evil brainwashed narcissist. She had on lipstick while in her jail clothes at court, and she's smiling from the back of the squad car.
This case is up there with one of the most bizarre and heartbreaking cases I have ever seen.
I’m glad he changed his will, his sister should be proud with or without the will as he really was a real man
I’m surprised she didn’t call to make sure before hand
I just wish Charles would've TOLD her he took her off the policy. Might've saved his life.
@@brynbailey7132 maybe or she pretends she has fallen back into love with him and dances to the beat of his drum until she’s back on the will before murdering him at a later date.
Her niece, Melanie Boudreaux turning up at her ex-husband’s house with Alex is spookily reminiscent of what happened with Charles Valle.
Vallow!
Omg boudreaux is my last name I hope I'm not related to lori
She wasn’t gonna get off, but that statement from the Alice lady that her daughter had died, showed she knew the children were dead and was ok with it. That’s wicked as it comes.
It certainly is!
@@mariakelly90210 you are missing the point .Peoplek like us would be a mess.In her head she was protecting her kids from all of us. She only trusts the Lord. She always was protecting her kids from their own dads with her religious mental thing she was diagnosed with.SHe inituated the deaths when she heard they were dark and Tylee cleaned her room bored.Lori thought oh no they have taken the kids .Called Chad their is a text that she says so weird my daiughter is being weird and chad says sorry to inform you she is dark just got the word from the Lord
Lori is mental. Lori should have been put in a hospital.This case will serve hopefully as a message to QUIT overlooking family members looking out for people from their mental ill family member.