Mithril has the ability to drive away evil and heal good things. That's why Sauron can freely handle it with no problems and a Balrog can sleep peacefully beneath the largest Mithril vein in Arda for thousands of years. It makes perfect sense when you only think about it for 5 seconds. 😂😂
Ahh you see the Mithril in the mountain is... unrefined?? Or you have to be very, VERY close to it for its anti-evil properties to work... and Sauron, uh, he is SO evil. His Evil Level is higher than the the mithril so it doesn't affect him. Kinda like Pokemon but not really. It makes sense i promise.
@@lukoscreyden Oh I get it, it's only a bog-standard +1 mithril, whereas Sauron's touch is considered a +5 enchanted weapon. Gotta hand it to the RoP writers, that's some deep understanding of DnD rules.
Iirc the mithril lore the show invented was that it was made as a result of a balrog fighting someone holding a Silmaril, so maybe they intended that it has both good and bad elements to it, so anything made out of it can be used either for good or evil depending on the user? (I know the reason is that the writers don't knw where they're going with this, I'm just trying to make it make sense for my amusement)
I am telling you rule six is “anything that appears on screen is known by all characters regardless of their location”. That would explain how characters know things they can’t know but we do because it was on screen.
How does the One Ring, a ring in which Sauron poured ALL of his anger, his malice, and his will to dominate all life, take months to corrupt people entirely, while a piddly arse little Dwarven ring, which is OBJECTIVELY weaker than the One Ring, takes a matter of hours? This is asinine. This is absolutely stupid. The writing on this show could not be worse.
It's just also the fact that the elves are insanely attuned to things like magic or unseen world, Sauron treaded so carefully for all those six hundred years and he wouldn't risk them sensing any kind of corrupting power in them or him. That's why the corruption doesn't start until the one ring is forged and he puts it on. Even than he fails as the elves wipe off those rings faster than I write the word "me". That's why he besieges Eregion because his plan failed and now he wants his rings back and go to plan B which is giving them to dwarves and humans. The dwarves and humans shouldn't have them yet. The one ring is responsible for the corruption of the other rings and it do so slowly, all expect the three which he had no knowledge of. The rings of powers themselves weren't corrupted by Sauron. FFS this is basic second age knowledge.
I still don't understand how these rings work so quickly, they seem to influence people even before they put them on and even the elves seem corrupted by them in minutes.
It's also 100% not how it works. The dwarves were actually *never* corrupted by their rings because dwarves are stubborn and naturally resilient to corruption. That's why there are no dwarf wraiths. Four of the rings were devoured or destroyed by dragons and Sauron recovered the other three because ultimately the dwarven rings failed to do what he wanted them to. They did indirectly bring about the collapse of a few dwarven civilizations though because it was the treasure troves of wealth, that the rings enabled the dwarves to amass, that attracted the dragons.
@@dragonmaster1360 So, just to be totally fair, the speed with which the one ring corrupts is at least as much dependent on the wearer as the power of the ring itself, hence why Bilbo was mostly okay after fifty years and Sméagol was essentially lost the instant he saw it, so it could be possible for an incredibly weak dwarven lord to be corrupted very quickly. Unfortunately (or fortunately since I’m hoping for this show to crash and burn as soon as possible since it’s clearly beyond saving), that’s not how King Durin has been portrayed, and the dwarven rings were never said to make anyone literally insane, so they still botched it up completely, I just enjoy being specific about how they did so.
It was in the films where Sauron poured his cruelty, his malice and his will to dominate all life into the One ring. The events of the film and book universe are legally completely unrelated to RoP's universe. So for all we know the one ring will only contain saurons humor, his apathy and his will to take a vacation. The universes are so far removed from each other by design, legal necessity and the sheer incompetence of the writers that it is pure folly to look for similarities. It's like examining the diarrhea turd of a sick dog to learn about the dietary habits of its owner's cousin that lives on a separate continent.
I'm dreading the possibility that the writers will try and introduce cheap drama by making one of the two have an affair, when we all know that the bond between Glug and Glugwife is rock-solid.
Annatar proposing they give rings to trustworthy men should sound absurd to an elf like Celebrimbor who's thousands of years old. "Trustworthy" men aren't going to live more than a few centuries, basically the blink of an eye to an elf and their heirs might not be as trustworthy. You say often that Rings of Power does a terrible job at conveying distances, but it also does a terrible job at conveying time scales and how different beings perceive it. In the Lord of the Rings at the Council of Elrond, they considered a great many possible solutions on what to do with the One Ring. They rejected the idea of burying it or tossing it into the sea because that's ultimately a temporary solution. Sauron might take thousands of years to find his ring, but he will find it and by that point Middle Earth would be even less prepared to fight him. That's a solution men could consider, but not elves or a wizard.
@@Djorgal That is actually a fair point that I thought the first season brought to light very well between Elrond and Durin. That one line "It was 20 years for you, but it was a lifetime for me!" Was powerful (yes it could have been worded better because dwarves live longer than men, but still it was a nice touch).
This line between Elrond and Durin in S1 was indeed a nice touch on the topic of how immortality affects the elves thinking. Unfortunately, this was the only thing we got and henceforth, the show has forgotten this. This is especially blatant as Cirdan, THE oldest elve on middle earth, suggest exactly to throw the rings into the middle earth Mariana trench beneath the sea, which was disregarded as viable option in Elronds council for the reasons mentioned by in the above post.
@@JeffreyAllanBackowski No, he was not. He must have been at some point, sure, but not when the rings were forged. The rings were forged in 1500 of the second age. We don't know exactly when he was born, but it was before 1490YT in the first age because we know he followed his father, Feanor, in exile then. That makes him at the very least 2190 years old during the events of the series. He's very likely younger (but not by much) than Galadriel who was born in 1362 of the Years of the Trees. That makes her 10×(1500-1362)+590+1500 = 3470 years old when the rings were forged. (Detailing the calculation: She's born in 1362YT. Each year of the trees lasts for 10 regular years until 1500YT when the Sun is created. Then 590 years of the sun before the end of the first age and 1500 more years before the events of the show.)
@@thedeathray8620 Don't worry these writer have never had an original thought in their life so Shelob as a hot woman is basically guaranteed at this point.
The speed with which Ar-Pharazon goes from “Now I am King” to “Elves are the problem, I shall attack and kill them all” is on par with Daenerys going from “Now I am Queen” to “Kings Landing people are the problem, I shall attack and kill them all”. These writers are speed running character arcs that take *time* to develop and make believable. To say this show is poorly written by amateur hacks is me being far to kind in my assessment of this dumpster fire.
Yeah, he's barely in the job for a day and he's already doing huge construction projects that will annoy at least a small percentage of his people. I'm not particularly religious but I can see myself being annoyed if they wanted to knock down a historic religious building in my town for a cycle lane.
It’s truly amazing how very simple, sometimes one line aspects of Tolkien’s lore have been mishandled and over complicated to create such nonsense. Sauron deceiving Celebrimbor could have been so much simpler if he just showed up as Annatar, spent some time making friends, said “hey, let’s make some cool rings to give to people we like”, and then proceeded to sneakily make them evil without being obvious about it. Instead we have all these complicating factors like Celebrimbor betraying Gilgalad which should arouse suspicion, Dwarves immediately turning evil from the rings which should arouse suspicion, and workers seeing demons which should arouse suspicion. Every added detail makes everyone involved look dumber, just like Galadriel actively searching for and finding Sauron makes her look dumber than if she’d just never looked. I guess that’s the lesson of RoP, more can be worse.
Sauron in Tolkien - Worked alongside Celebrimbor for six hundred years without arousing a single suspicision other than Galadriel and Gil-galad being weary of this stranger. Sauron in ROP - MAKE MORE RINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Its kinda like the shire prophecy. Instead of a reward given by a king sympathetic to hobbits its just magic lol. Tolkien actually wrote the people of this world making political decisions based on what they believe is best, rop just said magic prophecy
On one hand, I can appreciate the difficulty of the writers' task. Tolkien never wrote much about the Second Age besides the downfall of Numenor. It reads more like a history book than a novel - Sauron stays at Eregion crafting the rings with Celebrimbor for *800 years* for instance; there is obviously no way to adapt that to a tv series. On top of that, they did not receive rights to all the necessary material which further limits what they can do and forces them to make stuff up That being said, maybe trying to adapt the entire second age was a stupid decision to begin with. They should have focused on a particular event or period of it, whatever they had the rights for. Or maybe not touch the second age at all, and make a Lord of the Rings TV series since that's what they had the rights for. Peter Jackson's movies were forced to remove a big bunch of scenes because of runtime issues, a TV series, for example one season per book, would give them much more runtime to include all the scenes that never made it to the PJ movies, and not have to resort to stuff they made up themselves since they clearly don't have the skills for that
You are steadily becomeing one of my favorite critics. You don't just talk trash, you actually explain what works and what doesn't work. You are fair in your criticism. You even find things in the rings of power that work well, while also tearing it apart. An example is Disa. Most critics just say she is bad because of the things the actor says outside of the show, but don't point out that the character while in the show is mostly good, except for recently. Keep up the good work, bro.
That's because Random is an actual critic. I'm glad he doesn't really talk about behind the scenes politics or culture war nonsense, or even his own political thoughts and feelings. It's too easy to get lost in your own biases if you start judging a movie or show simply based on the politics of the creator or cast and not on the content of what you're watching.
@@imcubanb2870 He’s excellent and very good at not involving politics too! Highly recommend his Hobbit and extended vs directors cut of LoTR series if you want more of him on his A-game!
With their speed there might not be enough Tolkien for them to run full 5 seasons The 5th season might be about Samwise's great grandchildren somehow returning Sauron and Sauron's granddaughter named Frey Shirewalker killing him once and for all
Looking forward to season 4 when Numenor is destroyed, and Elendil escapes on his ships, only to reveal: "Palantir? Yeah, I've got seven of them. There was a whole vault of them kept off screen until now... We'll use them to communicate across distances and place them in major strongholds across our realms."
She lost a bit of weight, which can age you. Loss of fat in the face especially can make people appear significantly older in some cases. That said, she still looks pretty hot imo, lol. And now she's pregnant in real life and has put weight back on, so she's looking younger again. Maybe this will be apparent in Season 3, if Amazon graces us with a 3rd entry in this ill-considered venture.
I think it's important, here is the very basic rundown of what this season/section of second age should be like. Sauron been missing for ages, Sauron appears as Annatar to the elves Galadriel and Gil-Galad take one look and go hell nah get the fck out of here but have nothing on him really Celebrimbor decides to invite him to Eregion despite all of that Six hundred years pass with Annatar and Celebrimbor researching and making many things including prototypes in the lesser rings before forging the rings of power which were all intended for the elves Annatar goes off for a while to forge the one ring while Celebrimbor makes three more rings in secret Elves get their rings and puts them on Annatar finishes the forging of the one ring, puts it on Elves go "Oh fck" and wipe off the rings on their fingers and hide them Sauron realising his plan messed up, besieges Eregion and captures Celebrimbor He tortures him and forcing him to reveal where the rings are which will be later be called the nine and seven He than makes himself a nice Celebrimbor flag Sauron gathers up the rings over many battles and sieges and what not, before finally collecting them all and handing them out to dwarves and humans as a gift (Unsure if this is as Annatar or just shapeshifting into many different forms) Bam... that is a very simple guide to this part of the second age. How much did the writers get right? Fcking none of it.
Even if they wanted to condense the timeline, they could still get it right by having them start the series with Annatar already present and they have already spent hundreds of years testing the rings. They can have Gilgalad and Galadriel be questioning it still. Galadriel arrives in Eregian to show concern again, be presents some leader rings, she tells him off about why she left Eregion, then returns to Lorien again. Annatar later appears and congratulations them on their work, but it is time for him to leave for a while. Celebrimbor decides to make the three rings after he leaves (perhaps by the end of Season 1) and presents one of the rings to Durin as a sign of their friendship. Season 1 could end with Sauron putting on the "One Ring" and Celenrimbor has his "oh crap" moment, and have Season 2 be preparing to defend Eregion from Sauron.
@@jrconway3 But than they couldn't do their badass girlboss moment for Galadriel throughout all of S1... despite ya know they could shown some badass moment of her in the first age using magic or something which would be infinitely superior to non magic lame warrior Galadriel.
It makes so much more sense, too. Since they ignored this crucial part of the LOTR/Middle Earth story, we can say defiitively, that none of this is canon. This takes palce in an alternate bizarro universe.
I only just realized how plot breaking pharazon's coronation actually is The show takes place during the period where numenor started rejecting the valar and by extension elves because they're the only ones allowed in valinor, that's why they immediately turned on miriel when they found she has a palantir, and then 5 seconds later an eagle shows up, eagles being the messengers of manwe the *king of the valar* and chooses pharazon as king of numenor, not only does it not make any sense for manwe to choose him but the crowd accepting a ruler choosing by the valar when they're supposed to be against them is completely nonsensical, they could've maybe kept the eagle but have it choose miriel instead only for pharazon to defy it gaining the crowd's support and it might have worked but as is it's over, pharazon is the last king numenor will ever have, everything that will happen there and anywhere in middle earth influenced by numenor will be as a direct result of him becoming king for reasons that don't add up
You obviously did more research than the writers. I feel like they tried to translate LOTR via Google translate into LANGUAGE and to someone who speaks LANGUAGE, this is utter nonsense.
Not to mention that _eagles can talk_ in the books. The eagle showed up and when Pharazon walked up to it the bird should've just said, "Piss off old man Manwe favors Miriel."
Something that still infuriates me about the ring making is the fact, they could not get the Mithril to bond with the lesser metals in season 1, prompting Galadriel to give up her dagger og gold and silver from Valinor. But in season 2 they now dont need that?, Also I know this is for the next episode, but for some reason they cant reuse the Mithril anymore? they dont try and remelt the failed ring attempts?
Also keep in mind that dagger alone probably weighed at least a few pounds, they didn't even bother to remove the steel blade, and the chunk of mithril maybe 10 grams. So they melted several pounds of mixed gold silver and steel with 10 grams of mithril and made three 5 gram rings. They totally wasted like 99 percent of the total material. They could have just cut like 1 inch of gold off the end of her dagger and had pure gold and mithril rings rather than rings that are likely half polluted with steel from the blade. She could have kept her dagger and still made the rings. 😂😂
@@johns1625 its so obvious the writers didn't even bother googling metallurgy for 5 minutes before writing that scene. That's why they think the greatest living elven smith didn't know what an alloy is.
@@GeraltofRivia22 metalurgy is also such pedestrian stuff. These a are great magical rings their creation ought to be truly magical in nature not just throwing shit in a cauldron and having it work
@@dodojesus4529 I didn't even think of this until you said it. In Return of the King we see the reforging of Narsil, one of the finest swords ever crafted. While the elven smiths are using basic-looking forges and tools, there is an almost mystical feeling about the whole process. We don't need chanting or glowy stuff to make it obvious, it just is. That scene alone tells you: this sword is a big deal and has real power, and it pays off later in the story. In RoP the forging of the rings and the rings themselves come off as some tacky overpriced crap you would see in any jewelry store. The only things we know for certain about the rings is that they do what the writers need them to when they need them to (thanks RFT).
The sado masochistic stamina of this guy - impressive....and also a bit a scary, if I'm being honest, but a good scary...kinda...like a naked woman with a hand cranked chainsaw.
@@poissonsumac7922 And here I though I might finally get a playmate - It's really lonely in this rubber straitjacket! Do you know how long it took me to get off my socks type in the video and write the comment? come on - be a little adventurous. You can't imagine the fun you'll have - Try eating ice cream in a rubber straitjacket with a buddy while 3 guys are chasing you - one for not paying - 2 from the asylum - Fun bonus: you can't tell who is who until the two come close and try to tackle you while the last guy has the bill!
Man, your overview of this episode made me realize just how much actually did happen in this episode. For some reason, after watching it, I felt like absolutely nothing had happened. Maybe because of all the cliffhangers preventing scenes from concluding? Idk.
i like how Celebrimbor says in the letter "hope you can visit soon" because if GG decides to drop by Eregion he will see not only that the forge is still up and running but also that Halbrannatar is there despite GG and Galadriel being highly against it
Please include lots more of the high-pitched convos between JD ‘F-nugget’ Payne and Patrick ‘Twatsticks’ Mackay, feat. JJ ‘Bellend’ Abrams 😂. More more more!
The “take the ring off” repeating gag at 1:03:22 has been absolutely hilarious every time it’s been used in the season 2 breakdowns. Please keep doing it; it’s fantastic 😂
Or they let Ai write it and couldn't even refine it because they can't even read... I mean we can't prove that they are actually capable of that skill.
So the ring turned this girl invisible, i.e. shifting her partially into the spirit world... a world in which the elves partially exist, particularly those that have been to Valinor. Which means, that the ring work not conceal someone from the elves, it would not show said elves something they couldn't already see without the ring, even if just partially and it also means, that if Sauron's true nature was visible in the spirit world, the elves would know it, ring or not! But for that you'd need someone to either put 5 seconds of thought into it and/or having read the books, like the scene when Glorfindel confronts the Nazgul and Frodo.
Yeah since elves have fëar of their own they would not turn invisible. Men lack this spirit and only have hröar so they become invisible when putting on the ring.
So when Disa dropped the glass ball the first time, I assume it fell on "soft" stone flooring, because the second time she drops it, it breaks, which makes the stone flooring in the cave next to the market is hard stone. Makes sense.
@@imcubanb2870 eeh i didn't mind that. It can happen. You let a stone fall once it wont break. I'm assuming she just let it fall the first time but didn't land as hard. The second time she threw it forcefully up in the air in fear and it broke. Honestly, Deesa is an okay character.
@@imcubanb2870 listen you got it right, there's different kinds of stone in khazad-dum dwarves use the soft "carpet" stone for their living spaces and markets and they use the harder "hallway" stone in other places
I will give this show one _tiny_ bit of praise in that Celebrimbor's acting at the end was pretty good. But that has nothing to do with Amazon and the context makes no sense.
I'm sure others have already pointed this out, but the order of ring creation is actually sort of backwards in the show! Celebrimbor and Sauron (and the other elves of eregion) first made a great variety of "lesser rings" together as something like practice, building up to and eventually forging the great rings of power that we know as the 7 (for the dwarves) and the 9 (for men). The Three elven rings were actually made LATER without Sauron's direct involvement, and he was unaware of their creation at first, which is why they are not tainted by his influence in the same way, but still fall under the control of the One because they are built on essentially the same blueprints If I remember the correct the 9 and 7 were not originally designed for men and dwarves respectively, per se, but when Sauron conquered Eregion he took those rings and gave them out to the other races in an attempt to dominate their leaders, and by extension their nations. Honestly I would love to talk more about this stuff, if you ever have any questions or want some of the lore sorted out let me know!
I most likely could habe accepted the show making little twinks to the lore here and there, which an adaptation might need. However, from all the blatant lore contradictions, the single most amazing one is that they got the creation of the rings completely messed up. I mean, you named the show after it, so at least the core should remain intact. But as the core is rotten from the beginning, foulness only spreads.
So here's a possible reason why the "writers" did it this way, got this from Gary (Nerdrotic) the writers didn't bother to read the silmarillion they watched the movies and followed the poem; three for the elves, seven for the dwarves, and nine for men
Pharazon did show some of his feelings toward mortality in the 8th episode of season 1. But your main point stands, with things being rushed and so little time for these characters, we don't really understand them in a natural way
If the writers were more competent, splitting up the major events of the Second Age into each season. Bringing it all together in the final season. This would allow more time to flesh out each character. Either end the show with the drowning of Numenor and Sauron forging the One Ring or better yet, end the show with the Last Allaince.
We give the writers too much credit. For instance, trying to determine what the ring is telling King Durin about where to dog is too complex. It's easier to conclude "Ring tell King. Ring is good. King trust ring." In the immortal words of Moe from the 3 Stooges, "Dig up, stupid."
The Valandil-Kemen fight reminded me of terribly planned professional wrestling matches, where the ebb and flow changes because "its the other persons turn to do stuff" It even has the tired wrestling trope of other groups of people holding each other up in the corners so the two people in the middle of the ring get the attention.
I remember finding your channel through my recommended and I'm so glad I clicked on it. You're a breath of fresh air in being so thorough, damn good at media analysis, and entertaining as well. Keep up the good work and please get some good rest when this season is done.
There is so much stuff in this show that breaks the lore, it's completely unreasonable to be able to explain all of the issues with it, even episode by episode, but if I were to address just one, there is a huge problem with the elf going invisible and seeing Sauron's true form in the spirit world. Tolkien's elves exist perpetually in both the spirit realm and the physical, which means everyone at the forge should be able to see Sauron's true form regardless of wearing a ring or not. The experience Frodo has, for example, at Weathertop in LotR, is because he isn't an elf or Maiar, he's a hobbit.
The introduction of Mirdania made me aware of how little the places and settings were introduced. 5th episode of second season and suddenly named characters appear in frequently shown places.
I always look forward to Random's reviews, regardless of what he reviews. But Rings of Power is especially entertaining to watch Random completely deconstruct! 👍
Probably the funniest thing for me so far is Elendil first not giving a SINGLE f**k about his son apparently dying and now acts like his other child is a complete stranger to him as well 😂
He did cry over the loss of his son, but it's surprising how fast he got over it. And his daughter's reaction to losing her brother is to bang her orbiter and disband half the coast guard. These writers have never dealt with normal humans.
Weird lore point here: Celebrimbor, Gil-galad and Galadriel exist in reality and the Unseen World and should be able to see beings in it, because they were born in Valanor. The "invisible" effect of the rings should not work on them.
I still can't understand why Calabrimbor needs staff to make human-sized jewlery while Boaty McBoatelf from a few episodes back run a shipyard solo. It's as if the writters had once googled the word 'industry' but forgot about any specifics, just like Snyder once heared that food production is important for armies.
The idea that the ring of power for the dwarves actually gives them the 3d understanding of where all the precious minerals and gems in the mountain are, is actually really good, combine that with the greed, ambition and paranoia and they will be driven to keep mining until the mountain literally collapses on top of them, shame literally nothing about this show has that level of imagination put into it
None of the 16 Rings of Power had corruptive effects on their wearers prior to the forging of the One Ring, because if they had then Sauron's plan never would have worked. The idea for the rings was that they would provide great power to their bearers with seemingly no downsides, because Sauron wanted the bearers to feel zero compunctions about having them on at all times so that they would all be completely open and ready for when he forged The One and thus took complete control over all the others. If any of the rings of power had the effect that Durin's ring had within the space of a day, the whole plan would fall apart because even if the bearer themselves were enthralled by the ring everyone else around them would, as Random Film Talk would say, notice that they are fucking bonkers and would likely try to do something to get the damn thing away from them. The intense greed inflicted by the Dwarven rings only took effect _after_ the One Ring was forged and Sauron attempted to assert control over the Dwarven Lords. This attempt failed due to the dwarves natural stubbornness and some degree of magical resistance due to their race's rather unique creation, but Sauron's attempt at controlling them basically drove the Dwarven lords crazy and massively intensified their greed. Honestly, King Durin going this insane would have worked perfectly fine if this had happened _after_ Sauron forged the One Ring and attempted to take control, because it would be the direct result of Sauron's will basically shattering the king's mind and driving him mad. But for it to happen before the One Ring makes zero sense because it would be far _far_ too risky for Sauron to forge any of the Rings of Power to have any overt corruptive influence because doing so would simply fast forward any suspicions that everyone else had when they all start thinking to themselves "Heyyy the rings this guy Anatar is forging and giving out are driving everyone that has them fucking bonkers! Maybe we should look into that?"
If the ring that Duran is using is already corrupting him why would it be handed down generation to generation. Who of the younger generation would want it since they're able to see the corrupting
They don't need to. Like, Isildur's alive and here, right? The show is going to end with the Last Alliance going to war against Sauron, aka, the first thing we see in Fellowship of the Ring. I don't think the rings will pass down at all, or maybe like one generation at most. This is a hyper-trunctuated timeline. The 9 rings are going to be handed out to 9 guys who became wraiths in like 5 minutes.
The reason for this calamity of an episode has become clear to me. Annatar has added a line to the poem: "Two rings for the fuckwit-writers behind their desks. Three rings for the Elven-kings under the sky. Etc" The Rings of Power has broken what little was left of their sanity.
I keep misreading the title of the episode as “Hearts of Stone” and so for a split second I get confused about why I am not seeing Geralt of Rivia fighting a giant toad monster in the sewers of Oxenfurt.
When you say Kemen, I always hear ‘Kevin’ …and thinking about a LOTR character actually named Kevin makes me laugh every time. Also, Kemen looks like a real Kevin.
Indeed, however they established in season one that this one (that doesn't exist originally) is special and does different things. No I am not defending it, I am just pointing it out that it happened.
Honestly the only reason the writers did this is because they saw it the PJ films, Ya know when Sauron shows Pippin a possible future and plans in an attempt to break him as he thinks he is the ring bearer. They saw that scene and went OH BALL TELLS FUTURE! No, you fcking morons that was Sauron showing off his plans because he has one himself and can screw with people through it.
@@MajorSmurf The show also treats them as sinister even though they shouldn't be. The problem in tLotR is that Sauron has one and that makes using the others dangerous. With all still in human and elfish hands they are perfectly safe to use and should grant anyone who touches one far sight and the ability to communicate with the others.
1.21 Oberon is defeated because he wanted the mountain to CONFESS who his orders came from, got too cocky and close. He didn't have an interest in making the mountain suffer. He just wanted him to confess
Sauron is supposed to be in Mordor, with a vast army. Pharazon is supposed to hear about Sauron claiming he is "The King of Men" - and this flies wildly against Pharazon's beliefs that HE is the King of Men and King of The West. So, Pharazon builds a massive Armada and sails to mainland, attacks and defeats Sauron. Sauron surrenders to Pharazon, is imprisoned, and corrupts Pharazon. Pharazon THEN decides to go to The Undying Lands where Manwe waves them off, literally, by creating a massive chasm that swallows his armies, and annihilates Nuemenor. This is also supposed to all take place late 2000s Second Age... which we're not in. Rings of Power purports to take place between 1501 and 1700 SA.
I guess the worst part about Afrock getting killed was how obvious it was telegraphed based on shot compesition. Drops sword, walks forward, takes up the entire frame to the point being partially out of frame, walks slow, music still ominous, Ilendir? looking on uneasy and stressed, cant see anything behind him. You'd have to have never seen any other piece of media to not know some kind of twist was coming. It's so anticlimactic and predictable. I also admittedly didnt remember who exactly he was so that made it kind of not really something i cared about but in top of that it just wasn't shocking at all.
The Stranger can complete his final task in the Stoor Village while saving Nori and finding his staff on the "Burial Tree". It could be a simulated " Scouring of the Shire" as he defeats the Masked Rhuners.
The people of Eregion are commonly known as the Gwaith-i-mírdain, roughly translating to “people of the jewel-forgers,” mírdain being the part meaning jewel-forgers. That is to say, one of if not the only named female OC in Eregion is literally named “person from Eregion” or alternatively “person who works in a forge.” Incredible talent over here.
So you're gonna tell me that the Dwarves Build Elevators, Immense cave systems and Tunnels and a miraculous Light Redirection System but DO NOT HAVE A MAP OF THEIR TUNNEL SYSTEM??? And they need a MAGICAL RING to "find the light"??!?
Man, thank you so much for continuing to make this series. I look forward to every upload. It just infuriates me how they turned the potential for this show into such a cringe inducing joke. It's like everyone who worked on this show is either an extremely talented CG artist or a hoard of theater kids. Your videos help make something entertaining out of it nonetheless!
my god I know that literally everything about this show is lore breaking but ELVES CAN'T BE SENT TO THE REALM OF THE UNSEEN BY THE RINGS OF POWER, THEY ARE ALREADY IN IT!!!!!
If the ring that Duran is using is already corrupting him why would it be handed down generation to generation. Who of the younger generation would want it since they're able to see the corruption happening right in front of them?
Keep in mind the fall of Kazadum wasn't supposed to happen for thousands of years. They don't have to keep the ring being passed down from generation to generation here because they already broke the timeline.
Just a small correction I suppose. Numenor is not sunk by the Valar but Illuvatar himself. And with sinking of Numenor he alters the shape of the world from flat to round and brings Valinor out of the mortal realms entirely, now being reachable only by elven ships departing from gray havens. It is I believe the only ever direct intervention Illuvatar ever does, because the men of Numenor broke natural order of things so he removes the temptation entirely.
Weekend at Hellbrands going very poorly now that the show has revealed that Sauron is unable to hide his true form in the unseen realm. The very same unseen realm that we have already been told Legolas can clearly see at all times. Because he's an elf. And seeing the unseen realm is something that elves are able to do. Such as the elves of, oh I don't know, the elves of the elven city of... Uh oh. Deesa nuts ain't the only one dropping her balls today.
To be honest celebrimbor is the most realistic character in the series: a senile, gullible and slightly racist against those who do not know person but still proficient in one or two things he spent his all life working on.
I can't even begin to explain how much i love your rop videos, I don't know how you manage to get thru each ep but bless you bc it's the best deconstruction of this trainwreck of a series that I can't look away from 😂
I will say the idea of the elven rings being un-corrupted and the rest being corrupted is a genius idea... That the writers of RoP could only *wish* to come up with.
RoP is such a weird show. Galadrial is Gil-Galad's great aunt and looks young enough to be his daughter. He's the Grandson of one of those two other brothers of Galadrial that Amazon forgot about.
Jeeesus Murphy, the amount of people saying this was the best episode, while my will to live dwindled during the watch.... this video has been a tall drink of water
1:17:05 uh did you know the dagger was supposed to have been thrown past Aragorn and into a tree. However, the actor playing the orc had vision troubles with his mask, and accidentally threw the knife directly at Viggo Mortensen, who was forced to deflect it in desperation.
Giving mithril these purifying/ deus ex machina abilities also desaturates everything Frodo endured while wearing his uncle's gifted mithril tunic. His journey couldn't have been Westward worthy if any hobbit could have put on the evil filtering maille!
Mithril has the ability to drive away evil and heal good things. That's why Sauron can freely handle it with no problems and a Balrog can sleep peacefully beneath the largest Mithril vein in Arda for thousands of years. It makes perfect sense when you only think about it for 5 seconds. 😂😂
Ahh you see the Mithril in the mountain is... unrefined?? Or you have to be very, VERY close to it for its anti-evil properties to work... and Sauron, uh, he is SO evil. His Evil Level is higher than the the mithril so it doesn't affect him.
Kinda like Pokemon but not really. It makes sense i promise.
@@lukoscreyden Oh I get it, it's only a bog-standard +1 mithril, whereas Sauron's touch is considered a +5 enchanted weapon. Gotta hand it to the RoP writers, that's some deep understanding of DnD rules.
So, Galadriel shouldn't be able to wear her ring, because it has mithril in it.
Iirc the mithril lore the show invented was that it was made as a result of a balrog fighting someone holding a Silmaril, so maybe they intended that it has both good and bad elements to it, so anything made out of it can be used either for good or evil depending on the user? (I know the reason is that the writers don't knw where they're going with this, I'm just trying to make it make sense for my amusement)
@@AliceBowie And if the harfoots touch it, they'll spontaneously explode into meaty chunks.
I am telling you rule six is “anything that appears on screen is known by all characters regardless of their location”. That would explain how characters know things they can’t know but we do because it was on screen.
Monty Python told me: Rule 6 - There is NO rule 6.
@@ggrarl we can call it rule seven, that would fit this show.
Well that'd explain why the elves call the Southlands Mordor.......oh who am I kidding, it's obviously the work of the great WALDREG!!!
Put more simply: "Anything the viewer knows, every character knows."
@@ToaCody1 I think it is “anything the writers know the characters know”.
How does the One Ring, a ring in which Sauron poured ALL of his anger, his malice, and his will to dominate all life, take months to corrupt people entirely, while a piddly arse little Dwarven ring, which is OBJECTIVELY weaker than the One Ring, takes a matter of hours? This is asinine. This is absolutely stupid. The writing on this show could not be worse.
It's just also the fact that the elves are insanely attuned to things like magic or unseen world, Sauron treaded so carefully for all those six hundred years and he wouldn't risk them sensing any kind of corrupting power in them or him. That's why the corruption doesn't start until the one ring is forged and he puts it on. Even than he fails as the elves wipe off those rings faster than I write the word "me". That's why he besieges Eregion because his plan failed and now he wants his rings back and go to plan B which is giving them to dwarves and humans. The dwarves and humans shouldn't have them yet. The one ring is responsible for the corruption of the other rings and it do so slowly, all expect the three which he had no knowledge of. The rings of powers themselves weren't corrupted by Sauron. FFS this is basic second age knowledge.
I still don't understand how these rings work so quickly, they seem to influence people even before they put them on and even the elves seem corrupted by them in minutes.
It's also 100% not how it works. The dwarves were actually *never* corrupted by their rings because dwarves are stubborn and naturally resilient to corruption. That's why there are no dwarf wraiths. Four of the rings were devoured or destroyed by dragons and Sauron recovered the other three because ultimately the dwarven rings failed to do what he wanted them to. They did indirectly bring about the collapse of a few dwarven civilizations though because it was the treasure troves of wealth, that the rings enabled the dwarves to amass, that attracted the dragons.
@@dragonmaster1360 So, just to be totally fair, the speed with which the one ring corrupts is at least as much dependent on the wearer as the power of the ring itself, hence why Bilbo was mostly okay after fifty years and Sméagol was essentially lost the instant he saw it, so it could be possible for an incredibly weak dwarven lord to be corrupted very quickly. Unfortunately (or fortunately since I’m hoping for this show to crash and burn as soon as possible since it’s clearly beyond saving), that’s not how King Durin has been portrayed, and the dwarven rings were never said to make anyone literally insane, so they still botched it up completely, I just enjoy being specific about how they did so.
It was in the films where Sauron poured his cruelty, his malice and his will to dominate all life into the One ring. The events of the film and book universe are legally completely unrelated to RoP's universe. So for all we know the one ring will only contain saurons humor, his apathy and his will to take a vacation.
The universes are so far removed from each other by design, legal necessity and the sheer incompetence of the writers that it is pure folly to look for similarities. It's like examining the diarrhea turd of a sick dog to learn about the dietary habits of its owner's cousin that lives on a separate continent.
Glug’s story is the only thing keeping the show going. Glug, Glugwife and Glugling are the glue holding Rings Of Power together
I'm dreading the possibility that the writers will try and introduce cheap drama by making one of the two have an affair, when we all know that the bond between Glug and Glugwife is rock-solid.
*the glug holding it together*
And Glex, the house pet
Justice for the Glugs!
@@Kevin3826 #glugustice
I was going to say the dwarf plot seems the best, then the king increased taxes like he was playing an evil run on Fable.
Yep, he's had the ring on for a couple of days and has gone full nut job already. Makes it really weird that the rings become family heirlooms.
@@markgrehan3726 And they weren't supposed to be full nut job until centuries later, once the One Ring was made.
Didn't expect a Fable reference here 😮😃 here, take my Like!
Annatar proposing they give rings to trustworthy men should sound absurd to an elf like Celebrimbor who's thousands of years old. "Trustworthy" men aren't going to live more than a few centuries, basically the blink of an eye to an elf and their heirs might not be as trustworthy.
You say often that Rings of Power does a terrible job at conveying distances, but it also does a terrible job at conveying time scales and how different beings perceive it.
In the Lord of the Rings at the Council of Elrond, they considered a great many possible solutions on what to do with the One Ring. They rejected the idea of burying it or tossing it into the sea because that's ultimately a temporary solution. Sauron might take thousands of years to find his ring, but he will find it and by that point Middle Earth would be even less prepared to fight him. That's a solution men could consider, but not elves or a wizard.
Great point, actually.
@@Djorgal That is actually a fair point that I thought the first season brought to light very well between Elrond and Durin. That one line "It was 20 years for you, but it was a lifetime for me!" Was powerful (yes it could have been worded better because dwarves live longer than men, but still it was a nice touch).
This line between Elrond and Durin in S1 was indeed a nice touch on the topic of how immortality affects the elves thinking.
Unfortunately, this was the only thing we got and henceforth, the show has forgotten this.
This is especially blatant as Cirdan, THE oldest elve on middle earth, suggest exactly to throw the rings into the middle earth Mariana trench beneath the sea, which was disregarded as viable option in Elronds council for the reasons mentioned by in the above post.
@@Djorgal According to lore, Celebrimbor was 866 years old.
@@JeffreyAllanBackowski No, he was not. He must have been at some point, sure, but not when the rings were forged.
The rings were forged in 1500 of the second age. We don't know exactly when he was born, but it was before 1490YT in the first age because we know he followed his father, Feanor, in exile then. That makes him at the very least 2190 years old during the events of the series.
He's very likely younger (but not by much) than Galadriel who was born in 1362 of the Years of the Trees.
That makes her 10×(1500-1362)+590+1500 = 3470 years old when the rings were forged.
(Detailing the calculation: She's born in 1362YT. Each year of the trees lasts for 10 regular years until 1500YT when the Sun is created.
Then 590 years of the sun before the end of the first age and 1500 more years before the events of the show.)
Poor balrog just wanted to tell her that she is singing out of tune. Truly the most misunderstood character.
What about the giant water worm? It was offered food which it didn't like!
Look it might be Satan's little helper and locking him up for centuries was justice, but exposure to Disa's singing is overly cruel.
It’s amazing that Shadow of Mordor/War Celebrimbor, a series that wipes its ass with the canon, is so much more compelling than Amazon’s version.
And for those who don't know that series. This is where Shelob is a hot woman comes from.
Just to show how insane RoP is becoming.
@@thedeathray8620 Don't worry these writer have never had an original thought in their life so Shelob as a hot woman is basically guaranteed at this point.
"Riding to the nearby village of mystery box."
Random knows the writers of this show better than they know themselves at this point.
Like with Despot of Antrim. I suggest "Galadrial is a pyschopath" and "galadrial the genocidal demon beast" for prime examples. So good
The speed with which Ar-Pharazon goes from “Now I am King” to “Elves are the problem, I shall attack and kill them all” is on par with Daenerys going from “Now I am Queen” to “Kings Landing people are the problem, I shall attack and kill them all”. These writers are speed running character arcs that take *time* to develop and make believable. To say this show is poorly written by amateur hacks is me being far to kind in my assessment of this dumpster fire.
Yeah, he's barely in the job for a day and he's already doing huge construction projects that will annoy at least a small percentage of his people. I'm not particularly religious but I can see myself being annoyed if they wanted to knock down a historic religious building in my town for a cycle lane.
Well that’s what happens when you condense thousands of years of events into less than a year
It really is an insult to amateur hacks…
The wig getting slowly but surely more destroyed and apparent is such a great idea. HP lefty is doing some amazing work
I agree!
It’s truly amazing how very simple, sometimes one line aspects of Tolkien’s lore have been mishandled and over complicated to create such nonsense. Sauron deceiving Celebrimbor could have been so much simpler if he just showed up as Annatar, spent some time making friends, said “hey, let’s make some cool rings to give to people we like”, and then proceeded to sneakily make them evil without being obvious about it. Instead we have all these complicating factors like Celebrimbor betraying Gilgalad which should arouse suspicion, Dwarves immediately turning evil from the rings which should arouse suspicion, and workers seeing demons which should arouse suspicion. Every added detail makes everyone involved look dumber, just like Galadriel actively searching for and finding Sauron makes her look dumber than if she’d just never looked. I guess that’s the lesson of RoP, more can be worse.
Sauron in Tolkien - Worked alongside Celebrimbor for six hundred years without arousing a single suspicision other than Galadriel and Gil-galad being weary of this stranger.
Sauron in ROP - MAKE MORE RINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This, shouted from a rooftop lol. I can’t believe these people are paid to produce this
Idiots love complexity, their brains short-circuit trying to keep track of it so they think it must be impressive.
Its kinda like the shire prophecy. Instead of a reward given by a king sympathetic to hobbits its just magic lol. Tolkien actually wrote the people of this world making political decisions based on what they believe is best, rop just said magic prophecy
On one hand, I can appreciate the difficulty of the writers' task. Tolkien never wrote much about the Second Age besides the downfall of Numenor. It reads more like a history book than a novel - Sauron stays at Eregion crafting the rings with Celebrimbor for *800 years* for instance; there is obviously no way to adapt that to a tv series. On top of that, they did not receive rights to all the necessary material which further limits what they can do and forces them to make stuff up
That being said, maybe trying to adapt the entire second age was a stupid decision to begin with. They should have focused on a particular event or period of it, whatever they had the rights for.
Or maybe not touch the second age at all, and make a Lord of the Rings TV series since that's what they had the rights for. Peter Jackson's movies were forced to remove a big bunch of scenes because of runtime issues, a TV series, for example one season per book, would give them much more runtime to include all the scenes that never made it to the PJ movies, and not have to resort to stuff they made up themselves since they clearly don't have the skills for that
You are steadily becomeing one of my favorite critics. You don't just talk trash, you actually explain what works and what doesn't work. You are fair in your criticism. You even find things in the rings of power that work well, while also tearing it apart. An example is Disa. Most critics just say she is bad because of the things the actor says outside of the show, but don't point out that the character while in the show is mostly good, except for recently. Keep up the good work, bro.
That's because Random is an actual critic. I'm glad he doesn't really talk about behind the scenes politics or culture war nonsense, or even his own political thoughts and feelings. It's too easy to get lost in your own biases if you start judging a movie or show simply based on the politics of the creator or cast and not on the content of what you're watching.
@@imcubanb2870 He’s excellent and very good at not involving politics too! Highly recommend his Hobbit and extended vs directors cut of LoTR series if you want more of him on his A-game!
Most critics have said the dwarf part is the best part of the show.
I hope RoP goes for the full 5 season so we keep getting videos like these.
I agree, it's genuinely fun to see what nonsense the writers come up with and then watch people break down why it's insanely contrived, lol.
With the speed they are going, I fear they are going to run out of story pretty quickly.
Considering that review channels collectively get more views than the actual show, I wouldn’t hold my breath 😂
With their speed there might not be enough Tolkien for them to run full 5 seasons
The 5th season might be about Samwise's great grandchildren somehow returning Sauron and Sauron's granddaughter named Frey Shirewalker killing him once and for all
Same! I hope we can mine this series for all it’s worth!
Looking forward to season 4 when Numenor is destroyed, and Elendil escapes on his ships, only to reveal:
"Palantir? Yeah, I've got seven of them. There was a whole vault of them kept off screen until now... We'll use them to communicate across distances and place them in major strongholds across our realms."
It's literally so crazy how Eärien goes from her early 20s to her mid 40s in just one season..
I know I almost thought they recasted her
Ozempic
yes! what happened to her, she looks like she jumped in time 10-15 years, is this Ozempic Time Warp?
@@sparkspl I think the actress just lost weight + 2 years later, I did also think she really looked much different.
She lost a bit of weight, which can age you. Loss of fat in the face especially can make people appear significantly older in some cases. That said, she still looks pretty hot imo, lol.
And now she's pregnant in real life and has put weight back on, so she's looking younger again. Maybe this will be apparent in Season 3, if Amazon graces us with a 3rd entry in this ill-considered venture.
I think it's important, here is the very basic rundown of what this season/section of second age should be like.
Sauron been missing for ages, Sauron appears as Annatar to the elves
Galadriel and Gil-Galad take one look and go hell nah get the fck out of here but have nothing on him really
Celebrimbor decides to invite him to Eregion despite all of that
Six hundred years pass with Annatar and Celebrimbor researching and making many things including prototypes in the lesser rings before forging the rings of power which were all intended for the elves
Annatar goes off for a while to forge the one ring while Celebrimbor makes three more rings in secret
Elves get their rings and puts them on
Annatar finishes the forging of the one ring, puts it on
Elves go "Oh fck" and wipe off the rings on their fingers and hide them
Sauron realising his plan messed up, besieges Eregion and captures Celebrimbor
He tortures him and forcing him to reveal where the rings are which will be later be called the nine and seven
He than makes himself a nice Celebrimbor flag
Sauron gathers up the rings over many battles and sieges and what not, before finally collecting them all and handing them out to dwarves and humans as a gift (Unsure if this is as Annatar or just shapeshifting into many different forms)
Bam... that is a very simple guide to this part of the second age. How much did the writers get right? Fcking none of it.
Even if they wanted to condense the timeline, they could still get it right by having them start the series with Annatar already present and they have already spent hundreds of years testing the rings.
They can have Gilgalad and Galadriel be questioning it still. Galadriel arrives in Eregian to show concern again, be presents some leader rings, she tells him off about why she left Eregion, then returns to Lorien again.
Annatar later appears and congratulations them on their work, but it is time for him to leave for a while.
Celebrimbor decides to make the three rings after he leaves (perhaps by the end of Season 1) and presents one of the rings to Durin as a sign of their friendship.
Season 1 could end with Sauron putting on the "One Ring" and Celenrimbor has his "oh crap" moment, and have Season 2 be preparing to defend Eregion from Sauron.
@@jrconway3 But than they couldn't do their badass girlboss moment for Galadriel throughout all of S1... despite ya know they could shown some badass moment of her in the first age using magic or something which would be infinitely superior to non magic lame warrior Galadriel.
It makes so much more sense, too. Since they ignored this crucial part of the LOTR/Middle Earth story, we can say defiitively, that none of this is canon. This takes palce in an alternate bizarro universe.
I only just realized how plot breaking pharazon's coronation actually is
The show takes place during the period where numenor started rejecting the valar and by extension elves because they're the only ones allowed in valinor, that's why they immediately turned on miriel when they found she has a palantir, and then 5 seconds later an eagle shows up, eagles being the messengers of manwe the *king of the valar* and chooses pharazon as king of numenor, not only does it not make any sense for manwe to choose him but the crowd accepting a ruler choosing by the valar when they're supposed to be against them is completely nonsensical, they could've maybe kept the eagle but have it choose miriel instead only for pharazon to defy it gaining the crowd's support and it might have worked but as is it's over, pharazon is the last king numenor will ever have, everything that will happen there and anywhere in middle earth influenced by numenor will be as a direct result of him becoming king for reasons that don't add up
You obviously did more research than the writers.
I feel like they tried to translate LOTR via Google translate into LANGUAGE and to someone who speaks LANGUAGE, this is utter nonsense.
@@SenChalcolithic
My conspiracy theory is that the show is written by AI
@@GILGAMESH069 AI is genuinely better at writing, not even joking.
The Eagles can TALK! No one wpuld have to guess or assume who it preferred.
Not to mention that _eagles can talk_ in the books. The eagle showed up and when Pharazon walked up to it the bird should've just said, "Piss off old man Manwe favors Miriel."
The fact that the dwarves can be corrupted so fast makes me think that the men who get them will turn into wraiths in like a minute.
Something that still infuriates me about the ring making is the fact, they could not get the Mithril to bond with the lesser metals in season 1, prompting Galadriel to give up her dagger og gold and silver from Valinor.
But in season 2 they now dont need that?, Also I know this is for the next episode, but for some reason they cant reuse the Mithril anymore? they dont try and remelt the failed ring attempts?
Also keep in mind that dagger alone probably weighed at least a few pounds, they didn't even bother to remove the steel blade, and the chunk of mithril maybe 10 grams. So they melted several pounds of mixed gold silver and steel with 10 grams of mithril and made three 5 gram rings. They totally wasted like 99 percent of the total material. They could have just cut like 1 inch of gold off the end of her dagger and had pure gold and mithril rings rather than rings that are likely half polluted with steel from the blade. She could have kept her dagger and still made the rings. 😂😂
@@johns1625 its so obvious the writers didn't even bother googling metallurgy for 5 minutes before writing that scene. That's why they think the greatest living elven smith didn't know what an alloy is.
@@GeraltofRivia22 metalurgy is also such pedestrian stuff. These a are great magical rings their creation ought to be truly magical in nature not just throwing shit in a cauldron and having it work
@@dodojesus4529 I didn't even think of this until you said it. In Return of the King we see the reforging of Narsil, one of the finest swords ever crafted. While the elven smiths are using basic-looking forges and tools, there is an almost mystical feeling about the whole process. We don't need chanting or glowy stuff to make it obvious, it just is. That scene alone tells you: this sword is a big deal and has real power, and it pays off later in the story.
In RoP the forging of the rings and the rings themselves come off as some tacky overpriced crap you would see in any jewelry store. The only things we know for certain about the rings is that they do what the writers need them to when they need them to (thanks RFT).
@@johns1625 😂
I mean you got to give the show credit where its due. It is a perfect example on how not to write one.
I thought the idea was that the Dwarves dug too deep, and found the Balrog.
Seems like he was sleeping right next to the market.
The sado masochistic stamina of this guy - impressive....and also a bit a scary, if I'm being honest, but a good scary...kinda...like a naked woman with a hand cranked chainsaw.
Jesus 😱lol
Hot
@@simonfrederiksen104 ......I'm balancing my need to agree with you with my overwhelming desire to not get committed to a mental asylum.
Kinda thinking you should be given an absurd amount of dosh to make a TV show.
@@poissonsumac7922 And here I though I might finally get a playmate - It's really lonely in this rubber straitjacket! Do you know how long it took me to get off my socks type in the video and write the comment? come on - be a little adventurous. You can't imagine the fun you'll have - Try eating ice cream in a rubber straitjacket with a buddy while 3 guys are chasing you - one for not paying - 2 from the asylum - Fun bonus: you can't tell who is who until the two come close and try to tackle you while the last guy has the bill!
I love the pitch meeting-esque bit in the middle with the two writers. Some really top quality humour I must say
Man, your overview of this episode made me realize just how much actually did happen in this episode. For some reason, after watching it, I felt like absolutely nothing had happened. Maybe because of all the cliffhangers preventing scenes from concluding? Idk.
i like how Celebrimbor says in the letter "hope you can visit soon" because if GG decides to drop by Eregion he will see not only that the forge is still up and running but also that Halbrannatar is there despite GG and Galadriel being highly against it
Please include lots more of the high-pitched convos between JD ‘F-nugget’ Payne and Patrick ‘Twatsticks’ Mackay, feat. JJ ‘Bellend’ Abrams 😂. More more more!
The “take the ring off” repeating gag at 1:03:22 has been absolutely hilarious every time it’s been used in the season 2 breakdowns. Please keep doing it; it’s fantastic 😂
I’m convinced the “writers” just made a bullet point script and left the rest up for improv.
Or they let Ai write it and couldn't even refine it because they can't even read... I mean we can't prove that they are actually capable of that skill.
So the ring turned this girl invisible, i.e. shifting her partially into the spirit world... a world in which the elves partially exist, particularly those that have been to Valinor. Which means, that the ring work not conceal someone from the elves, it would not show said elves something they couldn't already see without the ring, even if just partially and it also means, that if Sauron's true nature was visible in the spirit world, the elves would know it, ring or not!
But for that you'd need someone to either put 5 seconds of thought into it and/or having read the books, like the scene when Glorfindel confronts the Nazgul and Frodo.
Yeah since elves have fëar of their own they would not turn invisible. Men lack this spirit and only have hröar so they become invisible when putting on the ring.
I have legitimately not cried from laughter in so long. The entire Guard bit was 10/10 😂
You're putting mauler to shame
So when Disa dropped the glass ball the first time, I assume it fell on "soft" stone flooring, because the second time she drops it, it breaks, which makes the stone flooring in the cave next to the market is hard stone. Makes sense.
@@imcubanb2870 eeh i didn't mind that. It can happen. You let a stone fall once it wont break. I'm assuming she just let it fall the first time but didn't land as hard. The second time she threw it forcefully up in the air in fear and it broke. Honestly, Deesa is an okay character.
@@imcubanb2870 listen you got it right, there's different kinds of stone in khazad-dum dwarves use the soft "carpet" stone for their living spaces and markets and they use the harder "hallway" stone in other places
It's some of that impact-absorbing stone, to reduce stress on the knees and back.
The reason this episode seems better than the previous one is because we don't see the stranger
Dunno about that because everything seems to be getting stranger
He might not be there in presence but he is still there in essence
They killed Afrock in that way, because he wanted out of the show.......in the end.....he made it 😂😂
I will give this show one _tiny_ bit of praise in that Celebrimbor's acting at the end was pretty good.
But that has nothing to do with Amazon and the context makes no sense.
I’ve never watched even one minute of RoP but I’ve watched like 20+ hours of RFT’s breakdowns 😂
I'll watch 2 hours of ma man tearing RoP a new one, rather than waste 1 hour watching the episode itself.
I'm sure others have already pointed this out, but the order of ring creation is actually sort of backwards in the show! Celebrimbor and Sauron (and the other elves of eregion) first made a great variety of "lesser rings" together as something like practice, building up to and eventually forging the great rings of power that we know as the 7 (for the dwarves) and the 9 (for men). The Three elven rings were actually made LATER without Sauron's direct involvement, and he was unaware of their creation at first, which is why they are not tainted by his influence in the same way, but still fall under the control of the One because they are built on essentially the same blueprints
If I remember the correct the 9 and 7 were not originally designed for men and dwarves respectively, per se, but when Sauron conquered Eregion he took those rings and gave them out to the other races in an attempt to dominate their leaders, and by extension their nations.
Honestly I would love to talk more about this stuff, if you ever have any questions or want some of the lore sorted out let me know!
You are correct. This version is a hot mess, and since this is a crucial aspect of the Lore, this dreck is obviously not canon.
I most likely could habe accepted the show making little twinks to the lore here and there, which an adaptation might need.
However, from all the blatant lore contradictions, the single most amazing one is that they got the creation of the rings completely messed up. I mean, you named the show after it, so at least the core should remain intact. But as the core is rotten from the beginning, foulness only spreads.
So here's a possible reason why the "writers" did it this way, got this from Gary (Nerdrotic) the writers didn't bother to read the silmarillion they watched the movies and followed the poem; three for the elves, seven for the dwarves, and nine for men
Pharazon did show some of his feelings toward mortality in the 8th episode of season 1. But your main point stands, with things being rushed and so little time for these characters, we don't really understand them in a natural way
If the writers were more competent, splitting up the major events of the Second Age into each season. Bringing it all together in the final season. This would allow more time to flesh out each character. Either end the show with the drowning of Numenor and Sauron forging the One Ring or better yet, end the show with the Last Allaince.
We give the writers too much credit. For instance, trying to determine what the ring is telling King Durin about where to dog is too complex. It's easier to conclude "Ring tell King. Ring is good. King trust ring." In the immortal words of Moe from the 3 Stooges, "Dig up, stupid."
The Valandil-Kemen fight reminded me of terribly planned professional wrestling matches, where the ebb and flow changes because "its the other persons turn to do stuff" It even has the tired wrestling trope of other groups of people holding each other up in the corners so the two people in the middle of the ring get the attention.
The Halbrand nonchalant attitude towards his identity reminds me of The HISHE Batman bit around ladies “ hey, do you want to know…my secret identity?”
I remember finding your channel through my recommended and I'm so glad I clicked on it. You're a breath of fresh air in being so thorough, damn good at media analysis, and entertaining as well. Keep up the good work and please get some good rest when this season is done.
There is so much stuff in this show that breaks the lore, it's completely unreasonable to be able to explain all of the issues with it, even episode by episode, but if I were to address just one, there is a huge problem with the elf going invisible and seeing Sauron's true form in the spirit world. Tolkien's elves exist perpetually in both the spirit realm and the physical, which means everyone at the forge should be able to see Sauron's true form regardless of wearing a ring or not. The experience Frodo has, for example, at Weathertop in LotR, is because he isn't an elf or Maiar, he's a hobbit.
But in the books, none of them could see his true form, so I think tha'ts one detail that's okay.
"We will discuss men tomorrow" Celebrimbor helping Anatar set up his Grindr profile
Rip Afrock.
Gone, but also probably forgotten by every other character by the end of the season
The introduction of Mirdania made me aware of how little the places and settings were introduced. 5th episode of second season and suddenly named characters appear in frequently shown places.
I always look forward to Random's reviews, regardless of what he reviews. But Rings of Power is especially entertaining to watch Random completely deconstruct! 👍
Probably the funniest thing for me so far is Elendil first not giving a SINGLE f**k about his son apparently dying and now acts like his other child is a complete stranger to him as well 😂
He did cry over the loss of his son, but it's surprising how fast he got over it. And his daughter's reaction to losing her brother is to bang her orbiter and disband half the coast guard. These writers have never dealt with normal humans.
Weird lore point here: Celebrimbor, Gil-galad and Galadriel exist in reality and the Unseen World and should be able to see beings in it, because they were born in Valanor.
The "invisible" effect of the rings should not work on them.
I still can't understand why Calabrimbor needs staff to make human-sized jewlery while Boaty McBoatelf from a few episodes back run a shipyard solo. It's as if the writters had once googled the word 'industry' but forgot about any specifics, just like Snyder once heared that food production is important for armies.
The idea that the ring of power for the dwarves actually gives them the 3d understanding of where all the precious minerals and gems in the mountain are, is actually really good, combine that with the greed, ambition and paranoia and they will be driven to keep mining until the mountain literally collapses on top of them, shame literally nothing about this show has that level of imagination put into it
you imitating the writers' dialogue is always pure comedy gold 🤣
Won't be there for a premiere, but regardless - thanks for making these videos for us, RFT.
Have a wonderful evening.
None of the 16 Rings of Power had corruptive effects on their wearers prior to the forging of the One Ring, because if they had then Sauron's plan never would have worked. The idea for the rings was that they would provide great power to their bearers with seemingly no downsides, because Sauron wanted the bearers to feel zero compunctions about having them on at all times so that they would all be completely open and ready for when he forged The One and thus took complete control over all the others. If any of the rings of power had the effect that Durin's ring had within the space of a day, the whole plan would fall apart because even if the bearer themselves were enthralled by the ring everyone else around them would, as Random Film Talk would say, notice that they are fucking bonkers and would likely try to do something to get the damn thing away from them.
The intense greed inflicted by the Dwarven rings only took effect _after_ the One Ring was forged and Sauron attempted to assert control over the Dwarven Lords. This attempt failed due to the dwarves natural stubbornness and some degree of magical resistance due to their race's rather unique creation, but Sauron's attempt at controlling them basically drove the Dwarven lords crazy and massively intensified their greed. Honestly, King Durin going this insane would have worked perfectly fine if this had happened _after_ Sauron forged the One Ring and attempted to take control, because it would be the direct result of Sauron's will basically shattering the king's mind and driving him mad. But for it to happen before the One Ring makes zero sense because it would be far _far_ too risky for Sauron to forge any of the Rings of Power to have any overt corruptive influence because doing so would simply fast forward any suspicions that everyone else had when they all start thinking to themselves "Heyyy the rings this guy Anatar is forging and giving out are driving everyone that has them fucking bonkers! Maybe we should look into that?"
Wow, I'm so excited to see what random bullshit the writers will throw at us in this episode
I am starting to get so tired of it though. xD
They threw everything and the kitchen sink! The Fourth of July came early and EVERYTHING exploded in bloody fireworks!
If the ring that Duran is using is already corrupting him why would it be handed down generation to generation. Who of the younger generation would want it since they're able to see the corrupting
They don't need to. Like, Isildur's alive and here, right? The show is going to end with the Last Alliance going to war against Sauron, aka, the first thing we see in Fellowship of the Ring. I don't think the rings will pass down at all, or maybe like one generation at most. This is a hyper-trunctuated timeline. The 9 rings are going to be handed out to 9 guys who became wraiths in like 5 minutes.
Me: *frantically clicks thumbs-up*, leans back and zones out for almost 2 hours. Keep it coming!
The "Take. The fucking ring. Off." Has become the new "USE. THE DEHYDRATION. GUN" for me
The reason for this calamity of an episode has become clear to me.
Annatar has added a line to the poem:
"Two rings for the fuckwit-writers behind their desks. Three rings for the Elven-kings under the sky. Etc"
The Rings of Power has broken what little was left of their sanity.
This ain’t Middle Earth Dwarfs this is a live action play through of Dwarf Fortress
I keep misreading the title of the episode as “Hearts of Stone” and so for a split second I get confused about why I am not seeing Geralt of Rivia fighting a giant toad monster in the sewers of Oxenfurt.
When you say Kemen, I always hear ‘Kevin’ …and thinking about a LOTR character actually named Kevin makes me laugh every time. Also, Kemen looks like a real Kevin.
She found the Watcher, not the Bolrog.
commendable that you keep going. so many creators that i follow are already saying the show broke them and they just cannot go on watching it
Does Anatar have a CGI forehead in some scenes? His expressions look wrong, in a way a wig wouldn't affect.
Dying because idiot seems to be one of the most common causes of death TroP
Bees. Haha, what an idiot.
The palantir does not tell the future. It's a communication device.
@@biotrekker
b-but it's a crystal ball!
Crystal balls tell the future!
What do you mean?!
/s
Indeed, however they established in season one that this one (that doesn't exist originally) is special and does different things. No I am not defending it, I am just pointing it out that it happened.
Honestly the only reason the writers did this is because they saw it the PJ films, Ya know when Sauron shows Pippin a possible future and plans in an attempt to break him as he thinks he is the ring bearer. They saw that scene and went OH BALL TELLS FUTURE! No, you fcking morons that was Sauron showing off his plans because he has one himself and can screw with people through it.
@@MajorSmurf The show also treats them as sinister even though they shouldn't be.
The problem in tLotR is that Sauron has one and that makes using the others dangerous. With all still in human and elfish hands they are perfectly safe to use and should grant anyone who touches one far sight and the ability to communicate with the others.
@@MajorSmurf Exactly.
1.21 Oberon is defeated because he wanted the mountain to CONFESS who his orders came from, got too cocky and close. He didn't have an interest in making the mountain suffer. He just wanted him to confess
Well, RFT did say he wanted him to confess, but he also thinks this is a way to make the man suffer.
Sauron is supposed to be in Mordor, with a vast army. Pharazon is supposed to hear about Sauron claiming he is "The King of Men" - and this flies wildly against Pharazon's beliefs that HE is the King of Men and King of The West. So, Pharazon builds a massive Armada and sails to mainland, attacks and defeats Sauron. Sauron surrenders to Pharazon, is imprisoned, and corrupts Pharazon. Pharazon THEN decides to go to The Undying Lands where Manwe waves them off, literally, by creating a massive chasm that swallows his armies, and annihilates Nuemenor.
This is also supposed to all take place late 2000s Second Age... which we're not in. Rings of Power purports to take place between 1501 and 1700 SA.
I guess the worst part about Afrock getting killed was how obvious it was telegraphed based on shot compesition. Drops sword, walks forward, takes up the entire frame to the point being partially out of frame, walks slow, music still ominous, Ilendir? looking on uneasy and stressed, cant see anything behind him. You'd have to have never seen any other piece of media to not know some kind of twist was coming. It's so anticlimactic and predictable. I also admittedly didnt remember who exactly he was so that made it kind of not really something i cared about but in top of that it just wasn't shocking at all.
Plus I love how the other actor got up and picked up the sword and walked behind Afrock in like dead silence.
The Stranger can complete his final task in the Stoor Village while saving Nori and finding his staff on the "Burial Tree". It could be a simulated " Scouring of the Shire" as he defeats the Masked Rhuners.
The people of Eregion are commonly known as the Gwaith-i-mírdain, roughly translating to “people of the jewel-forgers,” mírdain being the part meaning jewel-forgers.
That is to say, one of if not the only named female OC in Eregion is literally named “person from Eregion” or alternatively “person who works in a forge.”
Incredible talent over here.
When your country tax rates so bad, you're ended in Rings of Power. I'm in bad places, but not mentally, rather physically.
So you're gonna tell me that the Dwarves Build Elevators, Immense cave systems and Tunnels and a miraculous Light Redirection System but DO NOT HAVE A MAP OF THEIR TUNNEL SYSTEM???
And they need a MAGICAL RING to "find the light"??!?
Man, thank you so much for continuing to make this series. I look forward to every upload. It just infuriates me how they turned the potential for this show into such a cringe inducing joke. It's like everyone who worked on this show is either an extremely talented CG artist or a hoard of theater kids. Your videos help make something entertaining out of it nonetheless!
The thing in the tunnel could also be the kraken monster from fellowship
my god I know that literally everything about this show is lore breaking but ELVES CAN'T BE SENT TO THE REALM OF THE UNSEEN BY THE RINGS OF POWER, THEY ARE ALREADY IN IT!!!!!
Mom: why is there crack under your bed
Me: because eagle
If the ring that Duran is using is already corrupting him why would it be handed down generation to generation. Who of the younger generation would want it since they're able to see the corruption happening right in front of them?
Keep in mind the fall of Kazadum wasn't supposed to happen for thousands of years. They don't have to keep the ring being passed down from generation to generation here because they already broke the timeline.
Just a small correction I suppose. Numenor is not sunk by the Valar but Illuvatar himself. And with sinking of Numenor he alters the shape of the world from flat to round and brings Valinor out of the mortal realms entirely, now being reachable only by elven ships departing from gray havens. It is I believe the only ever direct intervention Illuvatar ever does, because the men of Numenor broke natural order of things so he removes the temptation entirely.
re: The Unseen World analysis. I'm very disappointed you didn't talk about the absurdity of the elves hanging a FREAKING ANVIL from the ceiling!!
It's there in case a road runner causes problems.
Weekend at Hellbrands going very poorly now that the show has revealed that Sauron is unable to hide his true form in the unseen realm.
The very same unseen realm that we have already been told Legolas can clearly see at all times.
Because he's an elf. And seeing the unseen realm is something that elves are able to do. Such as the elves of, oh I don't know, the elves of the elven city of...
Uh oh.
Deesa nuts ain't the only one dropping her balls today.
Yeah this Sauron ain’t trickin me. And I’m slow witted
Can’t wait for the upcoming spinoff series: Waldreg, the Witch King story
To be honest celebrimbor is the most realistic character in the series: a senile, gullible and slightly racist against those who do not know person but still proficient in one or two things he spent his all life working on.
it's far more entertaining watching your content than watching the show it self. Thank you.
The more frustrated Randoms voice gets the funnier the stuff he says 😂
Your doing god's work.
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"Afrok is now irrevocably damaged as he is now dead"
I mean... that is what happens when someone dies.
Reggie would need to charge 125 gold to make 20 gold profit on an 80 cost shiny with a 20% tax
I can't even begin to explain how much i love your rop videos, I don't know how you manage to get thru each ep but bless you bc it's the best deconstruction of this trainwreck of a series that I can't look away from 😂
I really hope you remake tier list in the final autopsy and add guards, because at this point they are the only consistent character
I will say the idea of the elven rings being un-corrupted and the rest being corrupted is a genius idea... That the writers of RoP could only *wish* to come up with.
RoP is such a weird show. Galadrial is Gil-Galad's great aunt and looks young enough to be his daughter. He's the Grandson of one of those two other brothers of Galadrial that Amazon forgot about.
Jeeesus Murphy, the amount of people saying this was the best episode, while my will to live dwindled during the watch.... this video has been a tall drink of water
1:17:05 uh did you know the dagger was supposed to have been thrown past Aragorn and into a tree. However, the actor playing the orc had vision troubles with his mask, and accidentally threw the knife directly at Viggo Mortensen, who was forced to deflect it in desperation.
Giving mithril these purifying/ deus ex machina abilities also desaturates everything Frodo endured while wearing his uncle's gifted mithril tunic. His journey couldn't have been Westward worthy if any hobbit could have put on the evil filtering maille!