Skyrim - The Secrets of Atmora - Elder Scrolls Lore
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In our latest Elder Scrolls video we discuss Atmora.
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The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim is an open world action role-playing video game developed by Bethesda Game Studios and published by Bethesda Softworks. It is the fifth main installment in The Elder Scrolls series, following The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, and was released worldwide for Microsoft Windows, PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 on November 11, 2011.
The game's main story revolves around the player character and their quest to defeat Alduin the World-Eater, a dragon who is prophesied to destroy the world. The videogame is set two hundred years after the events of Oblivion, and takes place in the fictional province of Skyrim. Over the course of the game, the player completes quests and develops the character by improving skills. The game continues the open world tradition of its predecessors by allowing the player to travel anywhere in the game world at any time, and to ignore or postpone the main storyline indefinitely.
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Ysgramor *invented writing* expressly to “best kill Elves”. Huge foundational cultural milestone out of sheer spite. Like inventing the wheel so you can run over your neighbor’s dog. Respect the grind, man. 👍
Conflict breeds innovation
Most technological innovations began as a military tool or weapon. Atomic power which is extraordinarily reliable and clean started with bombs, the internet began as a method of communication for the military, computers were made to break enemy codes. The list goes on.
@MamaWuf
Which is pretty over the top, really. Ysgramor didn't have to travel across an entire province in a mass genocidal campaign...
Ysgramor was the original Sigma male
@@_BirdOfGoodOmen
I wouldn't say killing scores of innocent people is "Sigma"... the Snow Prince by comparison was a Sigma, he only butchered Atmoran warriors who came to slaughter his people and take his homeland.
*F* in the Chat to the Snow Prince, Bethesda one-shot him via random 12 year old girl, since he was too OP to be killed via normal means
Atmora is the land with space but no time, frozen. Aldmeris is all time and has no space, doesn't exist.
yiasemi Oh shit, that seems pretty valid an interpretation. And Akavir is the future and Yokuda the past.
Mind blown
@@baronofbahlingen9662 blown bits disintegrated....
Love it
I remember a theory I heard from one of these videos, idk which, where it said that Atmora became frozen in time *because* all the dragons left. Thought that was really interesting
Perhaps the whole "Nords were born on the Throat of the World by the Breath of Kyne" could be an allegory for the wild's of Skyrim slowly changing the Atmorans into the Modern Nords?
Seems like an reasonable allegory. Also that is where Alduin was banished in time.
some say 'Aldmeris' was actually the entire continent before the wars of the Ehlnofey split it appart. So that way it could still be truth, they being born on the Throat of the World with the giants, and then traveled to the land that would be Atmora before the landmass split
@D. R. I like that theory. It would give some interesting new theories about the Skyforge and the Lunar Forge.
@D. R. The only thing I can think of offhand is that Masser and Secunda are said to be Lorkhan's body, and with the Dwemer's heavy interest in his heart, they may have been experimenting with the power the moons can create as well.
And/or the thu'um which could be seen as the final gift to man.
"It's said that atmorans had no agriculture and subsisted of hunting, alone"
[Pleased Hircine noises]
TheNepMan ...except hircine is an elf
Neolithic Revolution, how does that work Todd? Moments when it's clear the ESO plot is written by programmers.
Gabe Morehouse Except he’s a Daedra
Nep-nep
@@oldtimetinfoilhatwearer u dumb
FudgeMuppet: Hey, it's 1:30am where you're at and probably sleeping. Would you like to watch an Elder Scrolls Lore video on Atmora?
Me: YES.
4:40 PM in here
Its straight up 5am right now. Drews Witcher 3 content kept me up lol and right as im about to go to finally go to bed, here we are. Im okay with this.
5:04 but I'm still down.
It's 3 Am right now and i agree lol XD
Lmao 515 am 4 hours ago (it’s 915 am here now)
"And in this way, would the best way of killing elves be preserved."
tmw Ysgramor learned to write because he hated elves that much
Your profile picture is perfect for this comment
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The only Good Elves are in chains or have their heads mounted above the fireplace. *Need More Good Elves.*
I mean there’s Vanus Galerion and most of the elves in ESO
Seriously. Dude pioneered one of the most foundational cultural milestones out of sheer spite. It’s like inventing the wheel so you can run over your neighbor’s dog. You gotta respect the grind. 👍
Aldmeris is pretty simple, it’s Tamriel. The whole thing when it was in one big piece. That’s why Topal found it and didn’t recognize it. He’s never been there. That would also explain why the Dwemer were already in Resdayn when the Chimer arrived. They never left.
So Tamriel Pangaea?
I thought Aldmeris was an after image of multiple time cycles, that is why all continents can be seen in it, because it has all stood at the center before
Pangaea is a good comparison. It'd be life if humanity existed back then, and kept looking for the fabled land of Pangaea, but couldn't find where it went.
Nah, it’s tamriel without political boundaries. It wasn’t broken up in a literal sense.
It being Pangea would make sense with the Atmorans being made on the throat of the World Too, if Skyrim in its entirety was originally part of Elderwood
Its been 9 years and you guys still make interesting Skyrim videos. That's quite impressive
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Atmora- "elder wood"
Balmora - "stone forest"
Sadrith Mora "mushroom forest"
Tel Mora " tower forest"
So what does Herma mora's full name mean?
@@paleriderpalehorse55 had to look that one up easily enough.
but his name just means, "woodland man."
and is the embodiment of the daedric prince of knowledge.
@@siltstrider6812I have a theory that since Nords are based on Norse warriors and Mythology that perhaps Herma Mora might have been intially worshipped as their Odin, being a god of knowledge before Shor became the main deity and Mora was more categorized as a Daedric Prince, the “Woodland Man” that will trick you and leave you worse than before.
The nords were trying to escape from Nazeem, and we all know how that turned out.
LMAO
Long ago Tamriel was at peace.. until the Cloud District attacked
@@sethleoric2598 They don't get around very often
I know the Nords are frost resistant, but seriously, those outfits would freeze your nether regions in five minutes flat!
How to preserve your seed
@@timyuusis3372
I mean, preserving your seed doesn't have to mean literally getting your balls frozen, lol! Unless they're so cold they're unbreakable, but then that causes other issues, lol
The cold probably enlarges them
Nords are snow 🌨️ people there fine in colder conditions.
Reason #500 to install armor replacers lol
Maybe the "frozen bearded kings" Vivec described, and any other proto-Nords that might be frozen in Atmora, are only frozen in a fashion similar to cryogenic sleep, and would reawaken if they were thawed out somehow; I'd LOVE for that to be the case. Who else here likes the idea of potentially being able to play as a race that combines the best aspects of Giants and modern Nords?
If Atmorans and Giants have a common ancestor, it's interesting that Giants have ears that are pointed much like an elf, while humans have distinctly rounded ears. I wonder what the reasons are for that. Did they simply become pointed over time? Did the original humans also have pointed ears and that changed instead? Curious.
Man and mer share a common ancestor. The difference is due to how they ended up on proto-nirn. The ancestors of mer were able to maintain a stable pocket of society while the anvestors of man were forced to wonder the world.
The later found the former and wrre rejectef due to the effects of living in a harsh world that was only semi-stable had begun to alter them. The war that followed destroyed much of the continents and left the man scattered all over the remsining continents while the Mer were mostly confined to the remains of their realm.
@@Xo-3130 The Ehlnofey, the weakest spirits on Nirn.
Humans never had pointed ears, the Ehlnofey were the spirits that became the Human species, Elven species and Beast species.
@@Super50ldier the more powerful Elnofey who retained a splinter of a fraction of their Et-Ada divinity [Yffre, for instance, & (in my head cannon) The Hist].
@@kainlockley The God of the Forest and the Beastfolk of Black Marsh.
Can't wait for Beyond Skyrim:Atmora
Love the Videos FudgeMuppet
It would be a great continent for a multiplayer game with some base and forts crafting, either in a past era or long into the futur.
@@joaquimb4052 please don't give Bethesda am excuse for a Fo4 in Elder Scrolls. Mod authors can only fix so much.
@@choerm I'm pretty sure they would fail it anyway
Wirr Ling it would be awesome if it was 100% choice driven and not essential. Like have a system where you can become a count/duke/baron and give you a mega plot of land to build like Fo4 but make it functional and npcs not absolute morons.
Roscrea also is gonna have the animal style religion of the Atmorans, and the people there are more pure viking esque like them.
this dude here is a legit elder scrolls historian, putting tons of effort into videos like this that are inspiring and super intresting, and he just gets 40k views?!?! come on internet, we can do better, where's that beyond skyrim hype? this video deserves more love!
Agreed. Severely underrated
Civil War was the reason Ysgramor left and the War was probably fueled by decreased in resources due to increased cold. Must have a lot of frozen dead strong warriors there. Would be terrible if some powerful Necromancer or Daedric took advantage of that. An Undead army invasion would be crazy.
1:30am: (FudgeMuppet posts video)
Me: “Well Well Well”
For being the first dude able to write Ysgramor is surprisingly eloquent
Intellect and creativity are separate from literacy, just as anger is separate from shouting, one is just a possible expression of the other. Speech was already firmly rooted into Altmoran society. Also, elves are cringe.
@@jcaldwell543
How are the Elves Cringe? They're not all that bad ya know, and with their magic, society and advancements and such, I mean...
Plus I mean, most all the major civilizations on Tamriel were thanks to them, and humans never would've learned to write or have more sophisticated literature if not for them.
Granted the Beastfolk had their own thing going on, but much of modern science and tech is thanks to the races of Mer. Sure they can be prideful and somewhat arrogant, but it's easy to see why.
I would imagine the ancient Atmoran diet probably being similar to that of traditional Inuit people, where they subsisted mainly on meat and blubber from the animals and fish they caught themselves. Also that their main source of fuel for light and warmth was blubber/oil based
Probably more like the diet of Northern Indo-Europeans, people who lived on now Scandinavia and Iceland, as well as the archipelagoes of Faroe, Shetland and Orkney. Based heavily in fish and meats throughout certain seasons but also allowing for some vegetables in the diet through other season, and of course milk from cows, goats and sheep.
Makes more sense that "Nords" are based on the Nordid or Nordic people's than Inuits, yeah?
@@MetaphysicalBlade it makes sense as to why they are so big and tall from that protein and calcium.
I kinda figured that their diet was similar to the Yupik Native Americans eating mainly fish and game for the most part and consuming seasonal fruits and other plant matter when available
Each time he says “hawk” it sounds like “hork” and I imagine some kind of baby horker
I was wondering what on a horker could be used as fletching lol
"and he shattered the land into many" pangea confirmed in eso lore
I heard someone say that Atmora is a land of only space but no time (as it's all frozen) and the old elven land has time, but no space.
Cant wait to go there when Beyond Skyrim: Atmora comes out
I find the lore videos even more interesting than the builds and guides.
It’s crazy how large and complex the elder scrolls universe is.
I think that your mixing up Bilbo and his Nephew, easy mistake.
@@something1600 what are on about mate
Something I love about elder scrolls lore is that it shows that even as a writer you don't have to know the truth about a world's origins (or perhaps allow for several truths at once)
It is possible that the Throat of the World could have once had some connections to places in Atmora, though the land shattered and split into continents that drifted apart. The eastern part of Skyrim and much of Morrowind is also very volcanic and active, so it seems like there could have been a great split.
Also, it seems like a society as sophisticated as what existed in Atmora would appear to have had primitive agriculture, at least until the climate really changed. Such a society was also likely quite competitive, and it would not be surprising that rival clans, factions, and holds would seek to gain favor with such powerful forces like the dragons. There is also a bit of apocryphal information on Atmora, and they were known to have cities, a rather sophisticated culture (based on ruins), and skills with magic. It is also possible they had some primitive forms of writing and Proto-writing, as even the giants use glyphs in their camps. Much info appears to have been lost to time.
It is also plausible that some remnants of Mer and other Ehlnofey remained in Atmora, though they were likely driven into seclusion by Atmoran men and their own desires to live in seclusion. Additionally, it seems quite possible that some of the inhabitants of Atmora lived in mountains, caves, and underground. It is a possibility that Dwemer could have explored the continent as well in their quest for knowledge and power.
There are a lot of mysteries to Atmora, and it seems like there could be a lot of power hidden away in the frozen land.
This is seriously the best channel related to Elder Scrolls i've come across. Not a single video made by these guys has ever disappointed me and that's not something many youtube channels have managed to achieve in my books. Well done as always.
God I love this channel, you guys make THE BEST Elder Scrolls videos on youtube, especially your lore videos. We have to come up with a term for “professional Elder Scrolls historians” like... Scrollkeepers or something.
For now though, you’re Fudgemuppets. Keep up the amazing work you guys, us lifelong fans will always be waiting for more brilliant work.
I'm thinking that the phrase "Atmora frozen in time" may refer to stalhrim. Whitch would mean that somehow stahlrim started to unconrolably grow, possibly due to a magic ritual gone bad or Stahlrim is in fact crystalized time.
This man literally stole the concept of literature just to kill more elves
Seriously. Dude pioneered a foundational cultural milestone out of sheer spite. Like inventing the wheel so you can run over your neighbor’s dog. You gotta respect the grind.
I heard "what is the difference between Nords and Mead?"
Me: "Milk Drinkers"
Milk drinker shouldn't hit as hard as an insult as it does
It took me a while to realize that you were saying Shore Shattered the land and not Shore Shatted the land. I thought this was like Malacath all over again.
Okay, this may be a little long but I wanted to share something I'd been researching regarding the Skyforge that may connect with something Scott shares about the Nords being made at the Throat of the World.
According to what we know, the Skyforge is very old, no one knows who made it but some believe it was made by the Aedra themselves and that they may have used it to craft.... stuff, we don't know what.
We also know the Snow Elves and Dwemer feared the Skyforge and avoided it, but we don't know why (I have some theories about that but that's too much for here).
Standing over the Skyforge is a huge eagle, this is interesting because we also know (according to ZeniMax talking about the ESO) that the Ayleids and Altmer considered the eagle to be a symbol of the Aedra, the divines, the same ones some myths hold may have made the Skyforge.
What I *think* is that the Skyforge shouldn't have been located at Whiterun, but actually should have been placed at the Throat of the World. But it wasn't because Bethesda may have decided they wanted to use it for stuff in Whiterun so moved it there. But, if it was originally meant to be at the Throat of the World then the name "Skyforge" makes a LOT more sense and if it was made by the Aedra and used by them to forge stuff... like... Nords.
Maybe the Skyforge was used by Kyne to make the Nords.
It's generally accepted that Auriel's Bow was probably forged there, and that it contains primordial magic that is too old to be understood.
@@Alizudo Auriel's bow was created by Anui-El along with Auriel's shield as a gift to Auri-El so he could save his army and children, the Aldmer from the Imperials, the army and children of Lorkhan or Shezarr as he is called by the Imperials.
Historical fact: Vikings built settlements on Greenland that at the time had a lot milder climate allowing farming in some areas. Then the climate grew colder and the settlements wained when people left for Europe until the last people left during medieval times. Another fact, the local inuits lived when the Europeans came and they are still there. They do not farm and traditionally they survive without much vegetables in their diet by eating raw meat and fish and thus avoid destroying heat sensitive nutrients. This is why carnivores animals do not need vegetables. It is likely that the needs eat a lot of raw meat and fish just as to our oen real world inuits do. This is why they could survive without farming.
The shared ancestry with giants actually makes sense for Nords, because if you look at the general body shape and facial features of a giant in Skyrim, it does have a lot of similarity with a Nord man. It definitely would make more sense to say that these are the same species. Most likely, Atmora had people who were between giant and Nord size, probably a bit taller than Altmer, but very stocky, and over time, various people from this race bred specifc traits, with one group slowly getting larger and less intelligent, and the other slowly looking more and more like current Nords. This would have to mean that Atmora has the skeletons of many generations of people ranging between Skyrim's giants and Nords, if it is the case. as for how Atmoran people have two different origin stories, your explanation seems most likely to me. It could be interesting to have a small game or a DLC with some sort of visit to Atmora to see how things look up there. Archeological digs on Atmora could answer so many questions, even if the whole thing was centered around just looking at the place and digging through ice, it would still probably be good enough I'd buy that.
I love playing on Atmora in Elder Kings, restoring the shipyards and reclaiming the continent.
Cannot wait for Beyond Skyrim Atmora!!! Such an interesting place just waiting to be explored!
@Wirr Ling If you didn't play Beyond Skyrim: Bruma than you should, because if you call that masterpiece "fanfiction" than you're just stupid troll
I’d love to see an Elder Scrolls game set in Atmora, to see a land very different from Tamriel would be amazing
I love how Fudgemuppet drops his videos in the middle of the night so they are like little Christmas gifts you wake up to in the morning lmao 😂
We need a book or comic set in The Merethic Era. It'd be really interesting if done well!
The Elder Scrolls Adventures (like Redguard) need to come back imagine a pre-Night of Tears game with Falmeri protagonist leading upto the Sack and interacting with the pre-tyrannical Dragon Cult Nords and Reachmen (who ESO have revealed predate Atmoran colonization).
Bethesda should have made the dragonborn dlc take place in atmora not solsthiem.
Or the Hearthfire dlc.
Becaz this DLC is about home and family and Skyrim is the land of the nord in this era and came from Atmora.
@@hr473 But not everyone plays as a nord. Or as a Human for that matter. It wouldnt make sense.
@@lilblock3564 Why is this?
Of course they can travel through tamriel thanks to the empire and earn a house with doin heroic deeds.
Watching from NSW Australia, awesome video 👍
Vic idk why i say
Qld 🤣
I’m watching from Centrelink
@@kaiserkiefer1760 watching at work atm lol
I think you got Stuhn and Tsun mixed up. When we meet Tsun in sovangarde he’s guarding a whale bone bridge, so it’d make more sense if Tsun is the whale while Stuhn is the bear.
No, he got them correct.
These Sinewy men of the east, could they maybe be Tsaesci? To the East is Akavir plus with the Elongated aspect much like snakes? Idk just an idea
Yay,story time. Got my sweetrolls and nord mead all ready. Awesome channel guys.
It could also help explain the Skyforge a little, the first nords could have created it before leaving Skyrim, since upon their return much later the Nords and Elves didn't know how the Skyforge got there
Dragour he made a video on it makes more sense for the fight between old el nahfay and the wandering el nahfay to have created the forges of sky and moon
About the giant thing, I think this important to add that Lyris Titanborn of the 5 Companions had a giant for a mother.
The giant blood came from the father’s side, Lyris’ mother died because the baby was too large for a normal Nord to carry.
This is why I love the elder scrolls. The history is so rich and diverse. It’s so easy to get lost in it’s lore.
Wow, guys! Great video! I really love the whole concept of Atmora and its secrets. And I'd love to see Beyond Skyrim - Atmora mod being released soon. It's just that every single piece of content about it is astonishing!
This is how I interpret the myth. The old ehlnofey that eneded up on atmora split into the giants and the humans, these humans were more like nedes then nords. Atmora's climate was like a continental climate with lush forests teeming with game. The humans had a hunter gatherer tribal society. Then the men owerpopulated as they do and the climate started to cool. The first men who left, who would become the nedes, represent the population at the time, they all were 'weak' like that. Those who stayed fought increasingly desperate wars for the dwindling resources, these wars favored the strong for this the populatin gradually became stronger and stronger. By the time of Ysgramor they have reached a state similar to the nords, but the climate kept cooling. Some sources say that atmora was subject of civil war and the first settlers of Saarthal were fleeing the war, this can be iterpreted as unending tribal conflict for the dwindling resources as Atmora's clime is turning into a frozen wasteland. In conclusion the nords are stronger then the nedes because of the centuries of tribal conflict they participated in for the resources of a cooling Atmora.
Humans are descendant from the Wandering Ehlnofey not Old Ehlnofey. Elves are descendant from the Old Ehlnofey. The Imperials were created from Wandering Ehlnofey in Cyrodiil by Lorkhan aka Shezarr as he is called by the Imperials, the Old Ehlnofey made themselves into Aldmer, Auri-El's children then Auri-El and Trinimac with the Aldmer fought gathered at the Adamantine Tower then at Altmora, Auri-El and his army, the Elves fought against Lorkhan aka Shezarr and his army, the Imperials. Kynareth then created the Nords in Skyrim to go and fight alongside their cousins the Imperials, Lorkhan's children and army against the Elves, Auri-El's children and army.
Fudgemuppet/Camelworks: *Makes a new video*
Me: It's a fine day with you around.
I would love to see a DLC in Atmora in a future Elderscrolls game. Could be a group of Nords who want to see their former home, or perhaps a group of archeologists or sorcerer's who want to study it's history or ancient magics.
As far as Alduin/Akatosh/Auriel, I think of them as three parts or "Aspects" of the same deity. Alduin was the first Aspect, which is The End. Alduin persisted and devoured each spirit world until he was stopped by the conception of Akatosh, The Continuity. It was only with the birth of the final Aspect of Akatosh that history could begin, however, that being The Dawn, Auriel, who commands the sun and time rather symbolically. These three are part of an Aedric Triumvirate of sorts, making up the single god by their three parts, that being Akatosh, the God of the End, the Continuity, and the Dawn, and thus Time itself.
the way the god destroyed and shatered continents and spawn fresh new man (with different trait )to help existing men against elves sounds a lot like my typical worldbox session lol.
Great video keep it up guys. :)
Just to add very thorough with what material you have to work with absolutely fantastic.
The original race, the very first on Nirn were elves. I'd like, in TES6 to get a dlc where we get to go to Atmora. The end of the Atmorian dlc we discover a strange metal plate buried deep in a cavern. The metal seems like it was part of a larger piece. The strange metal plate has letter, the letters read "U.S.S. ATMORA"
The first race on Nirn were the Ehlnofey. Both elves and men are descendants of the Ehlnofey. Elves were the first to inhabit Tamriel, but not Nirn as a whole.
@@HyperShadic0 Argonians, Khajiit and Orcs were the first to inhabit Tamriel.
@@HyperShadic0 The Ehlnofey were spirits that remained on Nirn.
Dibella being associated with the moth seems like an consequential thing until you consider the Cult of the Ancestor Moth. They literally use the love of their ancestors to comprehend the true beauty of the universe In hindsight just makes too much sense. I can't believe how little credit I gave this god.
It's awesome you guys are still doing this please don't stop until Elder Scrolls 6
Can't wait for Beyond Skyrim Atmora...
Damned elves!
I newly found your channel and you do good work, but i will never get over how you say "fudgemuppet" with a straight face.
Love your videos.
I think it makes sense that, after the creation of Mundus and the subsequent civil war of the aedra, Mara would switch to Lorkhan's side on principle.
The ehlnofey who fought under Auriel were told they were created as a consequence of Lorkhan's deception whereas the ehlnofey under Lorkhan were taught they and the world were created as an act of love and benevolence. Which side's rhetoric would be more appealing to the goddess of family?
Need an ancient Atmoran Warrior build to take care of the Thalmor
And maybe there was a type of magic the elves used that kept atmora habitable and the nords being human, were too dumb to keep it habitable because they lacked the magical ability to do so.
It would be neat if we got to visit Atmora in a future DLC for wherever the next game is set.
Frostbane Wolves, Frostbane Bears, Frost Bane Horses and Frostbane Sabre Cats are an example of what the fauna/wildlife is like in Atmora. That is if you have heard of these creatures.
I like to think intelligent Frost Giants like Kaarstag live in Atmora.
Bro I fucking LOVE!!!!!! you guys. Every time I want some Elder Scrolls lore I come here your videos are outstanding. I can't wait for a video on the Nords and the ancient nordic pantheon.
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Been waiting for this video forever, NICE!
The way i see it is that the nords became modern Nords after kyne gave them the thu'um. If she did this on the top of the throat of the world, it could be said that this is how they came from atmora, but were still created on the throat of the world by kyne
Like how Lorkhan aka Shezarr created the Imperials out of nothing in Cyrodiil, Shezarr led the Imperials to battle against Auri-El and the Aldmer then Kyne created the Nords to fight alongside their cousins the Imperials against the Elves in Atmora.
Humans are not singularly descended from the continent of Atmora or the ancient Atmorans. Atmorans were just one type of humans believed to have resided in various parts of the world during the Merethic Era. Places like Akavir, Resdawn (Morrowwind) Tamriel all were inhibited with populations of humans and as such numerous in-game books eludes to this fact. MK hotly refutes this notion of out of Atmora in one of his archived post:
Out of Atmora (07/10/08):
And for the last time (uh huh), Nedes != Atmorans. That's just shoddy scholarship from a bygone regime.
Nedes and Atmorans are two different human races, the Nedes were created by Lorkhan aka Shezarr out of nothing in Cyrodiil whereas the Atmorans were created by Kynareth's breath in Skyrim at the Throat of the World.
I had no business laughing as hard as I did at Mara being called "Shor's sidepiece"
Mara is one of Shor's wives in the Nordic Pantheon.
I had always assumed that the reference to Ysgramor inventing writing meant (or at least included) dragon script. After all, if they had had that script in Atmora then they could have had a written history, so I would think it would have had to be invented after the colonization of Skyrim.
The Atmorans and early Nords, though they could not yet Shout, clearly could speak dovahzul conversationally in addition to their own language(s), at least as a language of worship similar to Latin as used by the Catholic Church in medieval Europe. It remained as a language used in official documents (see the _Holdings of Jarl Gjalund_ which presents the information in both scripts) and for other important uses, again much like Latin. The Word Walls found in Skyrim were clearly written by humans, not dragons, as they commemorate other humans or human historical events and it's hard to imagine a human summoning a dragon to take dictation. Traces of this lingered for a long time, much as Latin phrases are still important to the legal profession. At least one dovahzul phrase, evgir unslaad, was still known to Nords other than the Greybeards at the time of Alduin's return. We know this because it was spoken by Bergritte Battle-Born during a conversation with the Dragonborn in Whiterun.
When you think about it, why in the name of Akatosh would a dragon ever need to develop a written version of their language? They were immortal and created with an instinctive knowledge of the spoken version. They didn't need to write down information for the instruction of their young, since they do not breed. I doubt they needed to write themselves reminders of appointments or to-do lists or thank-you notes to each other. They apparently didn't communicate with the Atmorans by writing or the Atmorans would have had a written language. Only mortals such as humans and mer would have any need to develop a written form of a language, and only humans would want to keep records in the language of the dragons that they worshiped. And a natural way to develop such a script would be using something resembling the claw marks of those creatures.
I'd love to see Atmora in it's heyday.
Worthy of note that depictions of talos and ysgramor in Skyrim aren’t as big as giants or as small as nords. Could just be that statues are big, but I like to think it’s connected
One thing we have learned from ancient Nirn folklore and writing is that you can NOT trust it. The ancient Nirnians often tended to embellish to make their works more exciting.
I have a theory: Humans and elves were not created, they evolved.
We see that trolls have the same exact horns that orcs do, as well as the pointed ears of elves.
Giants also have the same exact horns and pointed ears, and are said to be kin of the Atmorans.
The Atmorans called the Elves Ancestor Gods: Elven Giants.
Finally, Frost Giants have the bodies of giants, but the faces of trolls, except with four eyes and a big pair of horns.
So this is the history:
A troll like race of beings evolved to be giants. Those early giants resembled frost giants, but with small horns and three eyes. A split occurred, resulting in Frost Giants, and giants with two eyes. Those two eyed giants then split again, likely resulting in smarter giants(Ehlnofey) and less intelligent giants(modern giants). The early Ehlnofey shared the same religion, an extremely primitve version of the 8 divines and their brother. FInally, a group of Ehlnofey giants split off and lost their pointed ears(though maybe not their horns). This split could have occurred in say the Throat of the World or something. These mutants may also have started heavily reverring the brother of the eight, or maybe while they were mutating and evolving, the normal Ehlnofey began rejecting this god in favor of the Time/Sun god(after all, Lorkhan ruled the world before Alduin defeated him). When these mutants met with the normal Ehlnofey giants ,a war broke out between the two subspecies, likely over their biological differences, and fueled by their religious schism.
The fight might have taken place in Atmora. The mutants won, and the normal Ehlnofey were forced to flee to the south of Atmora. The land split, somehow, maybe it was naturall splitting and it was a coincedence, but regardless, the land split and the normal Ehlnofey and a few of the mutants were left on Tamriel. The normal Ehlnofey slowly evolved into the races we see today. They all began to lose their height thanks to conditions on Tamriel, and when they reached the normal elvish height, the first split occurred, when a group settled in isolated mountain passes and were separated from their kin. Perhaps their skin tone changed, and they evolved tusks, but the rest of their bodies remained the same root EHlnofey, with horns and pointed ears. These were the orks(afterall, there were records of orcs before the Velothi fled Summerset). Perhaps these mountain folk, living in harsh conditions, began to focus their faith on one warrior god, Trinimac.
The normal Ehlnofey that didn't settle in the mountains evolved together into a roughly Aldmer form. Then another split, or two happened. The Ehlnofey began moving south, but a few stayed behind in the region of skyrim. These few, either as one or two distinct groups, evolved separately, and became the Snow Elves and Dwemer. Both have pale skin, so maybe they evolved from the same ancestor group that split when some of those north elves started living in caves. Both races had amazing technology, so there is that link as well. Or maybe they came from two separate groups.
The Ehlnofey that moved south settled finally on the SUmmerset Isles. Then we got one more split as some continued south to become the Maormer, and from then on we got the splits we know: some Aldmer went on to become Ayleids and Bosmer, a group of heretics became the Chimer.
Now its important to note, I'm not saying the Aedra and Daedra don't exist. I'm saying none of them created the races, at most influencing their evolution. But they did exist, and when a few worshippers of Trinimac chased after the Velothi, Boethiah, rather then creating a new race, simply transformed them into a preexisting one: the Orcs.
Finally, I mentioned a few Wandering Ehlnofey were one Tamriel. These gave rise to the many tribes of Nedes. While Azura transformed a few Bosmer into a preexisting race of cat people, as there are cave depictions of ancient, bipedal catmen.
As for the Red guards, I hold that they do indeed come from a separate Kalpa. And the Akaviri... no idea.
But there you go. A natural history of the origins of men and mer.
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I am sorry to say this, but, to me this idea is kind of ridiculous. After all, we know that all of the races, in fact, came from the Heavens. Some beings or somethings fell from the Heavens and started to change shape becoming, what we now know, as the Ehlonfey (Elves) and the Akaviri, that is to say the beastfolk of Akavir, and quite possibly men.
@@andrewrauch5807 Really? We know this? Based on what, myths and legends of the races themselves? Then how do you square the cave paintings of ancient cat people? Or the orcs that Topal the Pilot encountered, long before the Velothi exile?
@@levongevorgyan6789 Well, we know from the creation story of elves and men, that they all; this includes the Atmorans, Yokudans, and Akaviri, in fact, came from the stars. They were kind of like Angelic Beings that crashed on Nirn. They then began to change, they became wrapped in flesh and their lives were no longer immortal they had a time limit on them. The cave paintings of ancient cat people could be real, though we are not sure of exactly when they date back to. Plus there are THREE different types of Khajiit, so we can not be exactly sure of which type was the original Khajiit. It could very likely be possible that there was still some godly power left in Lorkhans dead body and that it shone down on the ancient Khajiit turning them into what they now are, three different types of the same beings. Finally, it could be very possible that the orcs that Topal the Pilot met were an ancient form of orcs. When the modern orcs came into being they interbred with the ancient orcs and thereby became one people.
Levon Gevorgyan it would be cool if everything “established” in es lore is somewhat a lie. And they truely did evolve and magic is some form of rational thing. I understand this would completely destroy the fantasy element. But it would be such a decent shock and already has some evidence. So it would‘not be terrible like GOTs plot twists
@@kaiserkiefer1760 I'm not saying everything is a lie. Again, I still hold that the Daedra and Aedra are real, and did make the world. Just that the creation of the world was a more naturalistic thing, with the Aedra, rather then actually making things, embodying aspects of the world, like time.
I do like to think that Kyne creating the nords would be her breathing the life on their lungs, like giving them the strength to shout. But the idea of Atmora being shattered across the sea is awesome as well.
Oh, and perhaps that time when Orkey stole the nords' years is what made them smaller than the giants.
Edit: I really wish to see how the deities fill in each of the other continents, especially Akavir and Atmora.
Wild theory but. What if what would become the eight divines. Fought on both sides? Maybe they had originally fought with Shor. But would betray him in the end which is why he is caught and his heart ripped out and shot across the world? Like it would explain why men and mer would revere who they do. It's just a difference of time. Or it could be flipped and Auriel lost allies, though that is harder to explain considering that Lorkhan gets his heart shot away.
i forget my life when i see ur videos ❤
Do you come to the cloud district very often? Oh, what am i saying. Of course you don't.
@@lilplayboy98 *lands in your house, within your modded dwemer robot butler, proceeds to take on nazeems personality*
The cloud district was cut content lol. Omo I to wish to yeet nazeem into the sun though
Man, I love these videos. You guys are incredible!
Can’t wait to go to atmora in the Skyrim beyond mod. Even if I don’t have a pc to play it on, I’ll stop at no cost to play it somehow.
It is good to know that the red guards come from YouCooter. Very informative.
I wonder if Dragon Breaks can cause retroactive timelines or just timeline changes. Like things that weren't true become true after a Dragon Break. So things that originally didn't happen, did happen, in some history, and it affects the modern time that is undergoing a Dragon Break.
Man i dont need sleep when i have the secrets of atmora
Could atmora be the place where the dwarves went after the battle of red mountain? Since no one else is there, it would make sense. They live underground and used the changing environment as a natural barrier to protect them
Random theory that probably makes no sense :
Alduin and The Dovakiin are both the will of Akatosh . Alduins job is to destroy the kelpa so time may be a new, but dovakiin stopped him . Like if akatosh himself was having a debate to keep or destroy the world . And if u support the one god theory of this all being a dream I guess the kelpa ending is the god waking up I guess red guards crossed over by making themselves be dreamt of again
Alduin and Akatosh are aspects of the Time God Aka.
Fucking love fudgemuppet! Up in 6 hours for work but boy do i wanna pull up skyrim
HEY FUDGEMUPPET I just wanted to let you know ive been watching your content for years and I 💘 your work. Its always interestsing to find out more about lore. You should try doing some lore on movies you like. Like Lord of the rings or star wars or whatever you like I would watch it
I wonder if "Atmora" is actually just the north of Akavir, & the source of wintry clinate change was the Kamal snow demons?
Snow elf theories would be cool
I get the feeling when Tiber Septim achieved CHIM to turn the jungles of Cryodiil to rolling hills, he 'overwrites' Atmora to become as frigid as possible to make that a reality.
Ah I really wish this channel would cover content from d&d a bit
Is it possible that a shattered continent and lands submerged by oceans can also refer to a landmass scattered into islands?
You guys make me so excited about ES8
3:40am woooooo no sleep hlp
2:46 who needs sleep?
I can't get enough of this stuff,
I wonder if Ysgramor is like the ES version of Ragnar Lothbrok. Atmora is like Scandinavia and Skyrim is like England.