I live in Detroit .. have a Lyriq and when it’s 10 below .. (F) i get about 1/3 battery loss. Optimally I’m hoping to be near 3miles per kWh, with 102 kWh battery … 307 miles .. when it’s cold it drops to 2.1-1.9 depending on how fast your driving, are you plowing through snow. Blasting the heater etc. it’s nothing you can’t plan around. It was much better than i anticipated
Yeah the only reason someone shelling out so much money for inconvenience is for environmental causes. Don't try to convince the masses that EV are more convenient or better other than for environment
Pretty objectively depends on use case. If you’re constantly road tripping long distances, perhaps not. Otherwise, the driving experience of an ev is way better than gas/diesel. Wife won’t get out of my ev so I can drive it and thinks there’s something wrong w our new gas cars when she gets back into one of them haha 🔧
@@i6power30never stopping by the gas station and paying less than 15% per mile as gas, and having less maintenance are all things people care about. The savings is so big that it’s worth it to buy a $30k EV for your commute even if you keep your gas vehicle for when you need it. The savings exceed the cost of a 5 year loan. Nearly everyone would benefit from having at least 1 EV in their home for their daily driving.
Here, on the west coast of Canada, approx., 100 miles north of Seattle, have been driving my model Y since October, 2023. Have very little power loss from the cold. Heat pump warms the vehicle quite quickly and the Tesla has performed very well in snow and cold with no complaints. Always like to hear about continual battery improvement for any and all applications from vehicles to storage, etc. Keep up the great reporting and will keep listening!
In very cold weather the issue is the power drawn mainly to heat the cabin but also the battery. Additionally, below -10C the heat pump rapidly goes from being very efficient to very inefficient. If you can't afford to lose much range to heating, if you can, pre heat the cabin, or preferably the entire vehicle, use seat heating etc. These actions will help minimise energy and range lost to heating.
I have a 2016 volt. With the simple resistance heater running in -20 F weather, the range drops not by 50% but more like 30%. Another downside in winter is the need to run the gas engine at temps below 32 degrees F to maintain temps in the battery pack. It would have made a considerable difference had GM set it up to preheat the high voltage battery system from household current.
How are you able to come up with so many videos in a short span of time that are of high quality and excellent content . It has become my first go to channel now . All the best
These people dont exist by themselves ....they usually have a team.....even on tik tok..its actually a business to produce videos for income .......more you or produce, more $ you make.
yes, but reality is catching up. probably three years later. the new porsche taycan has 32% more range and is charging much faster than the older one. progress is happening, not only in the news.
Encouraging to see steady improvements in battery technology. We must be getting closer to a tipping point where it just doesn’t make sense to make or buy ICE vehicles. Are solid state batteries lighter or heavier than current batteries?
LFP batteries do have an advantage for being able to charge to 100% commonly without the ongoing battery degradation issues. Also, one reason for the Lithium prices going down is EV sell rates are still down in the US, which is the second largest auto market worldwide, so LFP batteries using less Lithium is still the way to go in the future.
LFP batteries are about 30% less energy dense. This means that an LFP battery will hold slightly less energy than an NMC or NCA battery of the same size. To get the same range in an LFP pack as you would in a NCA pack, you need around 30% more battery
yes. but don't underestimate sodium ion batteries. current tech is 165Wh/kg (university bayreuth, germany). as a comparison, the first lfp batteries in cars had 160Wh/kg.
@@stefanweilhartner4415 Thanks! I want an LFP battery someday. Right now I have an Ioniq 6 in North Carolina US. It has a Li Ion Polymer battery (semi-solid state in that it has a polymer electrolyte). It rips in every way. Got it for 38K and it's AWD.
That's a great thing though. If there were no stories about better batteries we'd all be asking where the stories are. But this proves battery chemistry is progressing. Might be 5-10 years before we see 10% of them, but that's still better than none.
It's simple really, it's a matter of form adapted for function. A traction battery with just 126 cells packed in the most space and weight efficient way possible with minimal parts count, will always be more performance and cost effective than a similar battery with 600 or 1,200 cells. Unfortunately, when EVs were first launched in the US, they used cylindrical, jelly roll batteries, because that's what the industry was producing, typically for the computer industry. The Chinese looked at it and decided not to be bound by the past. They figured a layer cake is much easier to make than a jelly roll - voila blades!!!
This channel seems perfectly normal and this guy makes perfect sense so why, why I ask you does he look like a grown Oompa Loompa or Mr Hyde from Extraordinary Gentlemen 🤫
The Out Of Spec channel just posted that. Kyle said the lower battery version has the LG and the bigger battery has the SK which charges WAY faster on DC. European regulations say they can't change batteries and software in the lower model.
If the legacy automakers were to share battery technologies and provide the economies of scale the battery manufacturers would have the revenues to fund rapid development of new battery chemistries and provide better range and recharging speeds.
In their early days ICEs were crap but they improved although there are many aspects of them that are still crap. Battery technology is coming on by leaps and bounds. Now the only disadvantages of EVs will be a slightly shorter range and longer to charge than fill up but these disadvantages are of little consequence.
in average, energy density is increasing 3...5% per year and cost is going down by 5..7% every year. something in this area. that is good progress. this is why companies are choosing to lease a car for 3..4 years and switch to the next one that is much better.
If you add up all these “percentage” increases in battery capacity that are on this channel, then some of these EV batteries have increased their performance by over 200%.
My understanding was that NMC batteries had a greater energy loss in cold weather compared LFP batteries. Could somebody be trying to 'reinvent the wheel'.
Nothing but trouble in Norway. Februar car sales had only 92% EVs And winter temperatures are sometimes -15 to -30C for weeks. No problems unless you make it a problem.
That must be the LFP Battery tech that Tesla said they will offer Model 3 owners with the suspension upgrade for warranty replacement of the NMC 2170's as that +20% just about works out to better performing than originals.
Probably not this particular battery. Tesla's replacement battery comes with new springs and dampers because the battery is so much heavier than the one it replaces. It adds about half a second to the 0-60 time.
Imagine you drove your Ford F-150 lightning (true story) to a friend's house to plug in to his house to maybe charge at 12 miles an hour... BUT THE APP BLOCKED YOU... you had to put in your friends address in the app before it would let you start charging.... BUT THEN it still wouldn't register your friends address for 24 hours so you couldn't charge because the app was malfunctioning. And when you first bought your Ford F-150 lightning they wouldn't send the home charger to your house because their registration processing department was all screwed up.... so you couldn't get your home charger for your F-150 lightning for months. YOU COULDN'T JUST USE ANY HOME CHARGER.... (There's a RUclips out there... this exists... it happened I'm not making it up)
Loss of 50% capacity due to extreme cold (-20 C) means I will NEVER have an EV. To require a heat pump to keep the battery 'warm' is not reasonable or realistic.
I would suggest that all the technology required to keep ice vehicles running in different temperatures is actually not reasonable or realistic. With 150 years of technology behind them, they’ve been made to work quite well. Unfortunately, the efficiency of the machines will never never never reach the efficiency of what EV’s do right NOW, much less in five or 10 years.
Sam, it sounds counterintuitive but hear me out. We need very inexpensive HOME storage batteries in order to speed up the transition to EVs. A Tesla Powerwall is about $1,000 US per KWH installed, about 5 times more expensive than the market can bear. Home solar and batteries are the gateway drug to EV acceptance.
I learn of so many miracles on this channel. After owning a Tesla for 18 months it would be a miracle to me if a new supercharger appeared in my travels. Keep the possible miracles coming.
So maybe now that Elon was blocked by the shareholders from his $55B pay Gouge he tried to abscond with... (Although I think I heard he got away with it) maybe they can build covers over superchargers? NAH! 2) imagine if you pulled into a petrol station and you had to keep track of the brand name of the manufacturer of the pumps... and you had to download each pump manufacturers app.... and create an account and login id with each different pump manufacturer... and some of the pumps had square filler nozzles that wouldn't go in your car...
All the legacy auto manufactures are in danger of losing market share to EVs so they need to think outside the box if they want to survive. The president of BYD told his audience that he want to crush legacy automakers and he has the battery chemistry, the full line up of models and the economies of scale to do it...
I follow all your videos. It would be nice if you covered really small EV´s too. Most people in the world are hoping for a Mini Cooper size EV (or smaller) that can go 600 Km per charge, that is well built, safe and comfortable.
You must have missed his coverage on the Dacia Spring or the BYD Dolphin?? Then he just covered MG's upcoming MG2 subcompact. Most of the other makers of small EVs make death traps.
@@nickmcconnell1291 I watch everything I can about this subject. I think makers of minimal "death traps" must be convinced of turning them into safe vehicles. Small , subcompact and long range are the future, I think.
Even 15min charging is still no justification for current petrol stations ripping out existing petrol or LPG pumps for EV charging points. Ev charging should be restricted to parking areas at service stations or supermarkets, where they have plenty of parking areas.
Hmm I wanted a ford cargo elictric van but but don't like the range and cold issues, 20 percent and less cold damages, hmm I would choose the Ford e cargo.
Would it be too silly to suggest that legacy automakers share the same battery supplied so that they can experience "economies of scale" which would help them compete against Chinese EVs. I would also suggest that they share different battery chemistries which would be appropriate to the performance needs of the segment. This would prevent legacy automakers from "putting all their eggs into one basket"
In the 80s and 90s we had computers that did very little compared to computers today. And were 10x the price of computers today. Technology improves. Price comes down. No one is forcing you to do anything for another 25 years.
Even if a battery with a 600 mile range which could be charged in 5 minutes could be produced, there would still be the problem that the grid would not be able to cope with 100% EVs even if the infrastructure existed to charge them. It would make more economic sense to use these batteries to back up the grid during the night, which would give us cheaper and more reliable electricity, not less.
The average driver wouldn't add 600 miles at home, and wouldn't do it in 5 minutes. They'd add only as much energy as they used the previous day, and it would be at relatively low power so it wouldn't overtax the grid. The grid will need some upgrades, but we have time to do that. Bear in mind that not everyone will charge at the same time, and that the grid has a lot of excess capacity at night.
These would be accomplishments but when have they committed to having these in actual vehicles? It always seems these battery claims are made and nothing really happens. Of perhaps 100 battery claims of one type or another; the number making it to production cars - might be 1?
It's just a big problem in USA. Unfortunately it does look like a IQ problem. I mean just look at what they are electing these past years as there president.
Some people when they find a shirt they like, buy multiple. I get 2 sometimes, cause by the time I wear one out or stain it I won’t be able to find it again…
PLEASE stop saying America when you refer to the USA. I can understand that yankees appropriate the name, but not other people. What would you say if NZ or Indonesia called themselves Oceania or Asia Pacific.
Sounds like nonsense. Range loss in the winter is mostly caused by heating the car. This is not linked to the battery type. Range isn't really lost from the battery, the voltage reduces in the cold, making an apparent loss in range, however this recovers with use as the battery warms up. The way to increase range in the winter is to insulate the car more and lose less of the waste heat from the motor and battery and divert it to the cabin. Currently designs like Teslas have metal exposed motors and batteries so that heat is lost in the summer. They really need a northern or cold weather version that can keep more heat in the winter and has enough controllable cooling for the summer. Ie lose heat through a radiator not the motor and battery housing.
@@macmcleod1188 Its not misleading, batteries do not lose energy in the cold, they lose activity which comes back when the battery warms up. Energy is lost only through active heating of the cabin (or sometimes the battery for charging purposes).
@@tonystanley5337 batteries need to be heated. They have an optimal temperature range. The folks in Chicago were not heating their batteries. Which meant that it took much longer to charge the batteries and then on top of that they got less range. Meanwhile there's a video from an easier in Canada where it's that cold all the time and he basically spends 11% of his energy to keep the batteries heated so they will have optimal performance. That is independent of heating the cabin.
It depends on what you mean by "efficiently". The reason some batteries have better energy density than others is physics. You might call it chemistry, or chemical physics.
@@philipbrown9006 EVs aren't "dead". A couple legacy automakers are having a bit of trouble ramping, and some of their crappier EVs aren't selling as well as they expected, but Tesla and BYD are selling lots of cars. Each year the percentage of cars sold that are EVs increases. Inside of ten years, ICE will be gone. It's ICE that's dead.
In summary, advances in battery tech will make your current EV purchase obsolete within just a few years. Good luck trying to sell your current EV for even 50% of what you paid for it in today's dollars within the next few years.
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I live in Detroit .. have a Lyriq and when it’s 10 below .. (F) i get about 1/3 battery loss. Optimally I’m hoping to be near 3miles per kWh, with 102 kWh battery … 307 miles .. when it’s cold it drops to 2.1-1.9 depending on how fast your driving, are you plowing through snow. Blasting the heater etc. it’s nothing you can’t plan around. It was much better than i anticipated
Yeah the only reason someone shelling out so much money for inconvenience is for environmental causes. Don't try to convince the masses that EV are more convenient or better other than for environment
Pretty objectively depends on use case. If you’re constantly road tripping long distances, perhaps not. Otherwise, the driving experience of an ev is way better than gas/diesel. Wife won’t get out of my ev so I can drive it and thinks there’s something wrong w our new gas cars when she gets back into one of them haha 🔧
@@i6power30 so are you saying burning fuel is better?
@@colinwiseman not for environment but it's convenient. Depends on your priorities. There is no one size fits all. Better for some, worse for others
@@i6power30never stopping by the gas station and paying less than 15% per mile as gas, and having less maintenance are all things people care about. The savings is so big that it’s worth it to buy a $30k EV for your commute even if you keep your gas vehicle for when you need it. The savings exceed the cost of a 5 year loan. Nearly everyone would benefit from having at least 1 EV in their home for their daily driving.
Here, on the west coast of Canada, approx., 100 miles north of Seattle, have been driving my model Y since October, 2023. Have very little power loss from the cold. Heat pump warms the vehicle quite quickly and the Tesla has performed very well in snow and cold with no complaints. Always like to hear about continual battery improvement for any and all applications from vehicles to storage, etc. Keep up the great reporting and will keep listening!
And Sam's magic battery of the week award goes to 😊
Range isn't an issue providing they can charge quickly. It's good to hear they are beginning to solve the issue with the cold.
In very cold weather the issue is the power drawn mainly to heat the cabin but also the battery. Additionally, below -10C the heat pump rapidly goes from being very efficient to very inefficient.
If you can't afford to lose much range to heating, if you can, pre heat the cabin, or preferably the entire vehicle, use seat heating etc. These actions will help minimise energy and range lost to heating.
I have a 2016 volt. With the simple resistance heater running in -20 F weather, the range drops not by 50% but more like 30%. Another downside in winter is the need to run the gas engine at temps below 32 degrees F to maintain temps in the battery pack. It would have made a considerable difference had GM set it up to preheat the high voltage battery system from household current.
Agree - it should maintain opt temp as long as it's plugged in. What were they thinking??
There is no gas engine in a Bolt .....
@@travisyarbrough4033 He said Volt.
@travisyarbrough4033 who's talking about a Bolt? The Volt was a serial hybrid
How are you able to come up with so many videos in a short span of time that are of high quality and excellent content . It has become my first go to channel now . All the best
Topics repeat and don't go in-depth.
These people dont exist by themselves ....they usually have a team.....even on tik tok..its actually a business to produce videos for income .......more you or produce, more $ you make.
Clones mate, there’re called clones.
AI. He is part of Skynet.
There’s always a big battery improvement on the horizon…
yes, but reality is catching up. probably three years later. the new porsche taycan has 32% more range and is charging much faster than the older one. progress is happening, not only in the news.
Encouraging to see steady improvements in battery technology. We must be getting closer to a tipping point where it just doesn’t make sense to make or buy ICE vehicles. Are solid state batteries lighter or heavier than current batteries?
It's only going to keep getting better
Exactly 💯
LFP batteries do have an advantage for being able to charge to 100% commonly without the ongoing battery degradation issues. Also, one reason for the Lithium prices going down is EV sell rates are still down in the US, which is the second largest auto market worldwide, so LFP batteries using less Lithium is still the way to go in the future.
LFP batteries are about 30% less energy dense. This means that an LFP battery will hold slightly less energy than an NMC or NCA battery of the same size. To get the same range in an LFP pack as you would in a NCA pack, you need around 30% more battery
Thank you for the content, Viking. LFP batteries are so compelling.
yes. but don't underestimate sodium ion batteries. current tech is 165Wh/kg (university bayreuth, germany). as a comparison, the first lfp batteries in cars had 160Wh/kg.
@@stefanweilhartner4415 Thanks! I want an LFP battery someday. Right now I have an Ioniq 6 in North Carolina US. It has a Li Ion Polymer battery (semi-solid state in that it has a polymer electrolyte). It rips in every way. Got it for 38K and it's AWD.
Sounds like Volkswagen is getting this also. impressive.
Story # 10,000 about better batteries.
That's a great thing though. If there were no stories about better batteries we'd all be asking where the stories are.
But this proves battery chemistry is progressing. Might be 5-10 years before we see 10% of them, but that's still better than none.
This weeks game changer. Wonder why BYD blade battery is still the best on the planet after 4 years
It's simple really, it's a matter of form adapted for function. A traction battery with just 126 cells packed in the most space and weight efficient way possible with minimal parts count, will always be more performance and cost effective than a similar battery with 600 or 1,200 cells.
Unfortunately, when EVs were first launched in the US, they used cylindrical, jelly roll batteries, because that's what the industry was producing, typically for the computer industry.
The Chinese looked at it and decided not to be bound by the past. They figured a layer cake is much easier to make than a jelly roll - voila blades!!!
If Samsung are saying 2026 production, then likely they have already tested such batteries.
Yes, but production never means full production, it means initial production. So full production 2027.
LG sure did not !!!!! They just rushed them out for Chevy to make cars ASAP
It is good to have more than one batteries supplier
This channel seems perfectly normal and this guy makes perfect sense so why, why I ask you does he look like a grown Oompa Loompa or Mr Hyde from Extraordinary Gentlemen 🤫
Just imagine 10 years
Love these meat and potatoes deliveries! Thanks Steve.
Glad you like them!
Is this the same battery that's going into the 2024 version of the 82kw battery in the ID4?
The Out Of Spec channel just posted that. Kyle said the lower battery version has the LG and the bigger battery has the SK which charges WAY faster on DC. European regulations say they can't change batteries and software in the lower model.
If the legacy automakers were to share battery technologies and provide the economies of scale the battery manufacturers would have the revenues to fund rapid development of new battery chemistries and provide better range and recharging speeds.
In their early days ICEs were crap but they improved although there are many aspects of them that are still crap. Battery technology is coming on by leaps and bounds. Now the only disadvantages of EVs will be a slightly shorter range and longer to charge than fill up but these disadvantages are of little consequence.
in average, energy density is increasing 3...5% per year and cost is going down by 5..7% every year. something in this area. that is good progress. this is why companies are choosing to lease a car for 3..4 years and switch to the next one that is much better.
If you add up all these “percentage” increases in battery capacity that are on this channel, then some of these EV batteries have increased their performance by over 200%.
This can't happen fast enough!
You nearly managed to go a whole day without announcing a new battery. This battery will not see commercial success
yes, it will. probably in three years from now
If Sodium Ion solid-state batteries with up to 300Wh/kg energy density come to market it's game over for ICE.
Thanks!
Welcome!
Most of the market doesn't live below 0c so the fats charging aspect doesn't really matter.
0 degrees cel is 32 degrees fa .
Well, I will believe in improved batteries when I will see cars with them. Otherwise, I remain skeptical.
the new porsche taycan has 32% more range than the old one and charges much faster as well and is slightly lighter. there you have it.
WOW ... to ongoing Innovations for EV Batteries 🌠 ... & more power to mass production that brings down costs too. 🐾🐾🐾🙂
My understanding was that NMC batteries had a greater energy loss in cold weather compared LFP batteries. Could somebody be trying to 'reinvent the wheel'.
Earlier versions of LFP were worse than NMC. This new version is better.
Take criticism as if it were constructive. Use the lessons learned for the next planning cycle.
Continuing good news
Seems like a slip of the tongue but still funny. “-0 degrees” 😂
20 degrees Farenheit.
@@beehappy7797 then how much is +0 C
0 degrees centigrade is 32 degrees Fahrenheit, your welcome!
-15 C to -30C is normal temperature range during winters in Alberta, Canada 😂
If Chicago has trouble, Alberta will get double trouble.
Nothing but trouble in Norway. Februar car sales had only 92% EVs And winter temperatures are sometimes -15 to -30C for weeks. No problems unless you make it a problem.
That must be the LFP Battery tech that Tesla said they will offer Model 3 owners with the suspension upgrade for warranty replacement of the NMC 2170's as that +20% just about works out to better performing than originals.
Probably not this particular battery. Tesla's replacement battery comes with new springs and dampers because the battery is so much heavier than the one it replaces. It adds about half a second to the 0-60 time.
Imagine you drove your Ford F-150 lightning (true story) to a friend's house to plug in to his house to maybe charge at 12 miles an hour... BUT THE APP BLOCKED YOU... you had to put in your friends address in the app before it would let you start charging.... BUT THEN it still wouldn't register your friends address for 24 hours so you couldn't charge because the app was malfunctioning. And when you first bought your Ford F-150 lightning they wouldn't send the home charger to your house because their registration processing department was all screwed up.... so you couldn't get your home charger for your F-150 lightning for months. YOU COULDN'T JUST USE ANY HOME CHARGER.... (There's a RUclips out there... this exists... it happened I'm not making it up)
Take that LG!
Loss of 50% capacity due to extreme cold (-20 C) means I will NEVER have an EV. To require a heat pump to keep the battery 'warm' is not reasonable or realistic.
I would suggest that all the technology required to keep ice vehicles running in different temperatures is actually not reasonable or realistic. With 150 years of technology behind them, they’ve been made to work quite well. Unfortunately, the efficiency of the machines will never never never reach the efficiency of what EV’s do right NOW, much less in five or 10 years.
All Teslas have heat pumps. It's entirely reasonable and realistic.
Sam, it sounds counterintuitive but hear me out. We need very inexpensive HOME storage batteries in order to speed up the transition to EVs. A Tesla Powerwall is about $1,000 US per KWH installed, about 5 times more expensive than the market can bear. Home solar and batteries are the gateway drug to EV acceptance.
Powerwalls are a rip off
sodium ion batteries are coming to the rescue. but tesla power walls are not the benchmark. lot of competition is growing.
I learn of so many miracles on this channel. After owning a Tesla for 18 months it would be a miracle to me if a new supercharger appeared in my travels.
Keep the possible miracles coming.
Thank you for great content. Your videos are visually great and just the right length. I thoroughly enjoy them all.
Awesome, thank you!
This sound like a LMFP battery.
So maybe now that Elon was blocked by the shareholders from his $55B pay Gouge he tried to abscond with... (Although I think I heard he got away with it) maybe they can build covers over superchargers? NAH!
2) imagine if you pulled into a petrol station and you had to keep track of the brand name of the manufacturer of the pumps... and you had to download each pump manufacturers app.... and create an account and login id with each different pump manufacturer... and some of the pumps had square filler nozzles that wouldn't go in your car...
All the legacy auto manufactures are in danger of losing market share to EVs so they need to think outside the box if they want to survive. The president of BYD told his audience that he want to crush legacy automakers and he has the battery chemistry, the full line up of models and the economies of scale to do it...
He needs to be careful that CCP doesn't crush him as seems to happen to successful entrepreneurs in China
Afternoon mate
I follow all your videos. It would be nice if you covered really small EV´s too. Most people in the world are hoping for a Mini Cooper size EV (or smaller) that can go 600 Km per charge, that is well built, safe and comfortable.
You must have missed his coverage on the Dacia Spring or the BYD Dolphin?? Then he just covered MG's upcoming MG2 subcompact. Most of the other makers of small EVs make death traps.
@@nickmcconnell1291 I watch everything I can about this subject. I think makers of minimal "death traps" must be convinced of turning them into safe vehicles. Small , subcompact and long range are the future, I think.
Tesla Model 2 coming soon. Baybe a year or so. Probably be more like 500km range.
Just sat in a Dolphin today, very nice inexpensive car but a bit small for me. I bought next size up.
20% greater energy density. So what is it?
current lfp is in the area of 180...205 Wh/kg. you can do the math
Even 15min charging is still no justification for current petrol stations ripping out existing petrol or LPG pumps for EV charging points. Ev charging should be restricted to parking areas at service stations or supermarkets, where they have plenty of parking areas.
NEW LFP batteries = NANO ONE.
range and cost are becoming less and less of an issue. It's the charging infrastructure that's the biggest achilleas heal for mass EV adoption 😢
yes and no. if you can charge at home but the new EV has 20% more range, you need less charging on the road.
Hmm I wanted a ford cargo elictric van but but don't like the range and cold issues, 20 percent and less cold damages, hmm I would choose the Ford e cargo.
Would it be too silly to suggest that legacy automakers share the same battery supplied so that they can experience "economies of scale" which would help them compete against Chinese EVs.
I would also suggest that they share different battery chemistries which would be appropriate to the performance needs of the segment.
This would prevent legacy automakers from "putting all their eggs into one basket"
You guys are compleley missing the point, its not capacity its charge time, need sub 5 minutes.
In the 80s and 90s we had computers that did very little compared to computers today. And were 10x the price of computers today.
Technology improves.
Price comes down.
No one is forcing you to do anything for another 25 years.
Even if a battery with a 600 mile range which could be charged in 5 minutes could be produced, there would still be the problem that the grid would not be able to cope with 100% EVs even if the infrastructure existed to charge them. It would make more economic sense to use these batteries to back up the grid during the night, which would give us cheaper and more reliable electricity, not less.
grid storage is happening. distributed solar installations as well.
The average driver wouldn't add 600 miles at home, and wouldn't do it in 5 minutes. They'd add only as much energy as they used the previous day, and it would be at relatively low power so it wouldn't overtax the grid. The grid will need some upgrades, but we have time to do that. Bear in mind that not everyone will charge at the same time, and that the grid has a lot of excess capacity at night.
These would be accomplishments but when have they committed to having these in actual vehicles? It always seems these battery claims are made and nothing really happens. Of perhaps 100 battery claims of one type or another; the number making it to production cars - might be 1?
Many car companies INKED HUGE deals just recently to get inferior batteries. There stock should go down like Kodak did
Cough cough Tesla
With 92% of new car sales in NORWAY HAVE Been EV’s
Obviously cold we rather isn’t a problem in thier cold
It's just a big problem in USA. Unfortunately it does look like a IQ problem. I mean just look at what they are electing these past years as there president.
IM SETTING UP A GO FUND ME FOR HIM SO HE CAN BUY ANOTHER SHIRT, IM SURE THAT WHITE ONE HE WEARS EVERY VIDEO IS A LITTLE RIPE
It's called a washing machine.
Sure, now we are supposed to believe that you have more than 1 shirt.
What if he has multiple white dress shirts? It looks pretty ironed out to me. Looks good
Pink shirt so sexy Sammy 💋
Some people when they find a shirt they like, buy multiple. I get 2 sometimes, cause by the time I wear one out or stain it I won’t be able to find it again…
PLEASE stop saying America when you refer to the USA.
I can understand that yankees appropriate the name, but not other people. What would you say if NZ or Indonesia called themselves Oceania or Asia Pacific.
The "A" in USA stands for America. It's in the name. If you're talking about the continents, you would say *North* America or *South* America.
Tesla should be advancing battery tech but they are not. They only focus on AI and such useless work
Go Tesla!!
Yeah, AI is "useless". Right...
@@incognitotorpedo42 I never said AI is useless. I said Tesla's approach to AI is fool's errands.
100 percent true ❤❤
More EV lies
Sounds like nonsense.
Range loss in the winter is mostly caused by heating the car. This is not linked to the battery type.
Range isn't really lost from the battery, the voltage reduces in the cold, making an apparent loss in range, however this recovers with use as the battery warms up.
The way to increase range in the winter is to insulate the car more and lose less of the waste heat from the motor and battery and divert it to the cabin. Currently designs like Teslas have metal exposed motors and batteries so that heat is lost in the summer. They really need a northern or cold weather version that can keep more heat in the winter and has enough controllable cooling for the summer. Ie lose heat through a radiator not the motor and battery housing.
Nope. Batteries have optimal temperature ranges based on chemistry. Everyone who follows EVs knows that.
@@michaelnurse9089That doesn't disagree with anything I have said. What is your point?
@@tonystanley5337it clarifies your second sentence which was misleading
@@macmcleod1188 Its not misleading, batteries do not lose energy in the cold, they lose activity which comes back when the battery warms up. Energy is lost only through active heating of the cabin (or sometimes the battery for charging purposes).
@@tonystanley5337 batteries need to be heated. They have an optimal temperature range.
The folks in Chicago were not heating their batteries. Which meant that it took much longer to charge the batteries and then on top of that they got less range.
Meanwhile there's a video from an easier in Canada where it's that cold all the time and he basically spends 11% of his energy to keep the batteries heated so they will have optimal performance.
That is independent of heating the cabin.
It’s always just another couple years away. Maybe there is a scientific reason why batteries can’t hold energy very efficiently!
Who said they can't?
It depends on what you mean by "efficiently". The reason some batteries have better energy density than others is physics. You might call it chemistry, or chemical physics.
The EV craze is over dude….
It’s a dead industry still doin the cat bounce thing
WRONG
Would you be kind enough to explain your thinking?@@DeRhamme
@@philipbrown9006 EVs aren't "dead". A couple legacy automakers are having a bit of trouble ramping, and some of their crappier EVs aren't selling as well as they expected, but Tesla and BYD are selling lots of cars. Each year the percentage of cars sold that are EVs increases. Inside of ten years, ICE will be gone. It's ICE that's dead.
The best battery is a 12 volt lead acid hooked up to an ICE engine.
In summary, advances in battery tech will make your current EV purchase obsolete within just a few years. Good luck trying to sell your current EV for even 50% of what you paid for it in today's dollars within the next few years.
It’s the Electric Muppet!!
Don't be a clown. I and others enjoy the updates. The technology is moving fast.
Boris or farage?
Brexit!🎉😂
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What do electric vacuum cleaners and electric cars have in common? They both suck!
What do electric vacuum cleaners and electric cars have in common? They both suck!