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Why Did Flower Win BFB? (was it rigged)
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- Опубликовано: 6 янв 2023
- flower should have went to TPOT tbh, but hey, she won BFB
Why Did Flower Win BFB? (was it rigged)
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alternate title: jacknjellify goes crazy over a PLANT. greta thunberg would be proud
Check at the end of BFB 22 what cary says...
Trying to still hold on to the fake voting
wanna know who else go crazy over a plant like flower? rule 3- emmm.... i mean the internet
Hey what was the tictokker called that was like blocky?
@@abetternamethanthat6273 ah yes rule 3
Even if it was rigged, I can’t blame them. As a writer I could imagine how hard it is to have proper character developments when that character could disapper at any moment
THIS IS SOOO REAL. Like
Yes, it was. They made her personality go from slowly getting nicer in pre-split, to being leafy 2.0 out of nowhere in post-spilt.
they also had a "1 vote difference" between taco and flower, they did this in bfdi too with rocky and flower when the votes were close enough that they could swap the loser
And I don’t understand why people were voting her because she “saved” the show like that means she’s better
@@iamengie2573 not only that, she only did it so she could be in the final 2 they literally made it obvious
Finally someone else who agrees with me
Wait, what episode would you say Flower changed out of nowhere?
Even though Flower is one of my favorite characters, I do feel like they favored her. But I have a theory why. Coming into merge along with Flower was Woody, Firey, Teardrop, Leafy, Gelatin, and Lollipop. In a final vote situation, the only people she had a chance of beating at the time of BFB 24's release was Woody and MAYBE Teardrop, but it's harder to say. The writers wanted her to win, so I think they added Loser, Spongy, and even Balloony (people who aren't NEARLY as popular as everyone else) so that Flower could stay in a little longer. In BFB 22's case, I do think the 1 vote difference was bull, but I honestly don't doubt that Flower could've won that vote against Taco, they made it that close for drama purposes I guess.
I love Michael and Cary as a writing duo, but I really felt like they struggled to write characters not from their original season. So with everyone not in that original 20, not only was their personality noticeably different between parts, but it feels as though M and C were always struggling to give their characters equal screentime and attention to the ones they haven't had all their lives.
I completely understand why they'd be a little biased towards their favorites. And I don't think the situation is quite as bad as people are saying. Flower winning three immunities is definitely one too many I feel. Although, they did make a point of giving every contestant at least one immunity win up to that point, so someone getting two was bound to happen. Three I feel was too much, they could've had her be eligible for voting during the episode where Lollipop and Gelatin were also immune, I think she'd still end up safe there.
And as for episode 29, yeah, I'd say Gelatin definitely got dealt a raw end there. But it's not like both of them could've saved the show. I suppose there might've been a way but ehh.
I like Flower's win, I really do. And while I think the bias wasn't as severe as people say, it was definitely there.
The weird part is they barely wrote post split
Gelatin making it into the final two while not having gotten immunity as many times as Flower did gave Gelatin a higher quantity of proof that viewers did like him very much. If viewers liked him enough for him to win BFB, the trend simply would've continued, and he would've got more votes than Flower, since the decision is ultimately up to the majority of voters, but he didn't. Since Flower wasn't up for elimination during the previous voting period, there was the illusion that her win was sudden.
Gelatin was the first character to realize that Flower could save the show, even before Flower had realized, so they *did* save the show together. Other characters had to encourage Flower to do so as well. After that, Gelatin even offered to work on a business with her as compensation, which is very significant since he owns a steakhouse chain. In the end, the Announcer entertained the idea of either of the characters winning BFB.
@@justjames4This ^
I honestly feel like flower's character development felt too sudden in post split, she was at her peak in pre split imo. You could argue that she deserved to win bc she got a redemption arc, but look at woody. He actually recieved good, steady character development AND got last in bfdi if you count rejoins. And yet got only 7th place.
I honestly feel like the writers should stop silently forcing the voters to like a contestant to the point they're in the finals. Every contestant should be treated equally, but the writers don't really do that. We can only hope they improve with TPOT.
Yeah, idk if it's just me but so far they've given death pact again alot of screen time, I hope they don't push it for black hole to win just so he sucks up twos power in the end (like that one video)
@@owl3650 i doubt they’ll destroy the prize of the whole show just for a one-off joke. That would be kinda hilarious though
@@owl3650 i don't think two's power is a physical object
@@owl3650 idk but I feel like teardrop is gonna win TPOT just so she can talk
But still I like ma girl td
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Objectsided Is finally back after a whole year!
The fact y'all completely forgot about Woody is criminal. He was the biggest threat in the game. So the writers made him worse and worse so he would be eliminated
And when he got eliminated they finally made him better, like bro
Woody being written to have an interesting and unexpected new friendship with his former enemy wasn't a recipe for him surely getting eliminated. I think Woody's place in the plot peaked during post-split BFB, but he became less funny. It's a huge stretch to consider this as sabotage.
not to mention shes the whole reason the show started. wanting to open a cyanide jar. if she just left the jar alone the entirety of bfb wouldve never happened
Can’t we just enjoy the show without any drama? Even if it was rigged, BFB is still an amazing and incredibly entertaining show.
Fr when are People gonna shut the ever living heck up BFB 30 is almost 3 years ago for God's sake
Fr
You also forgot to mention that the writers tried to paint Flower as a victim
Spongy was portrayed as a victim during pre-split BFB, and he got eliminated because of his actions during that arc. The individual detail of being portrayed as a victim doesn't mean much.
Flower may have gotten her redemption arc but she's def not a victim.
@@briamari9035 The person was likely referring to Purple Face's Torture Time, where bugs rained on Flower, meanwhile Purple Face didn't do anything bad to Gelatin. Other similar events took place during BFB 29, giving Flower unfair treatment. The person was likely accusing the writers of trying to make voters have sympathy towards Flower. I don't think the writers intended this to be the case, since I found it funny when Flower got comically mistreated without serious negative consequences in the end. Those events were probably supposed to be cartoonish gags rather than mistreatment to take seriously.
@@justjames4 spongy had been previously rude to barf bag and even though they switched to tpot i think the voters AND writers thought spongy was sorta just a screen filler when nothing was happening.
@@thesovietsarecoming I already know why Spongy was eliminated; as I wrote, my point is that a character being portrayed as a victim doesn't ensure their safety, as you and I know with Spongy as an example, since there are other factors that can make a character disliked. In the same way, if voters didn't want Flower to win BFB, then they wouldn't have voted for her to win, regardless of how Flower was comedically mistreated during a few scenes. This factor isn't important enough to sway the votes.
The entire feel of BFB 29 was really... Uncomfortable to watch. It felt like it was saying "Oh, look at poor Flower! She's been through a lot. 😢 If only somebody liked her! Hint. Hint." and "Oh great. Everybody likes gelatin. Whoopie. He isn't even interesting. 🙄 But I GUESS we should have him come up with the idea for saving the show. (But since Flower actually does the action, nobody will give him any credit. Lol)"
I love how people say her win was rigged, but if the voting is ultimately up to us, then Flower’s victory is our fault 💀
Fr 💀💀💀
Tbh we shouldn’t even be complaining anyway.
@@nicky_creates2763 Yes, and I didn’t even vote in BFB, so it’s not even my fault XD
Fr 💀
Seeing this video made Flower dead last in my rankings... AGAIN.
@@carla8724 Nah ain’t no way you hate Flower more than Rocky 😭😭😭
Why you saying fault with 💀
Do you not want her to win?
I voted Gelatin in the finale.
you came back, and came back better than ever. THIS VIDEO IS SO GOOD OBJECTSIDED!!
I found Flower kind of deserved the win. I enjoyed watching her improve through the series. About JnJ being bias towards her though. I don’t know. I always thought they were more bias towards Gelatin instead
In pre split, her improvement was good. In post spilt, it was not. They made her extremely nice out of nowhere instead of building it up in post split. Basically, Pre split: Getting better Post Split: Leafy 2.0
Cmon, it was clearly obvious they were biased AGAINST Gelatin
@@Byveland this
@@ByvelandI do kind of see it that way but in the post split she still had a little bit of her old personality, kicking people who disrespected her brand.
OMG True! Seeing Flower start off as this generic bully with no friends, to someone who began to make friends and actually cares about others is incredible. Also, I thought she was funnier than Gelatin, too.
The Taco elimination was actually rigged according to Satomi, she said that Flower was gonna be out but they decided to modify it to make it their way.
Satomi doin wonders am I right?
no way
what’s the source tho
That's actually pretty fuckin crazy.
@@Objectsided it was a discord screenshot i think, but i doubt its real
satomi was not working for post-split BFB, I'm gonna have to doubt that one
BFB fans discussing on how a cartoon flower from a kids show rigged the u.s. election(/j):
I know this is a late and irrelevant comment, but I really think people who say it was "rigged" are exaggerating. I do think some of the writers fiddled with some of her personality to give her a quicker redemption arc and maybe tried to make her more likeable, but in my humble opinion, I think that was a good thing. I mean cmon, the only screen time she had in BFDI was...well...her just being mean and being used as a punching bag due to her being "that one spoiled first boot." I honestly think she DESERVED some redemption, I believe they just rushed it too quickly. The Taco vs Flower elimination was kind of always weird to me, but I mean, cmon. And all the people saying, "Well Satomi said ____" doesn't exactly make it true, as I haven't seen Satomi speak out about anything regarding faked votes. It is likely just a rumor.
In conclusion, I am not saying this just because Flower is my favorite character or I'm "picking sides," I'm just trying to put my opinion out there to maybe, hopefully, help some people to not jump to so many conclusions. Even if the writers did "favor" her, I mean, can you really make an object show where all the characters get EQUAL screen time and all have the SAME EXACT personalities?
The finale of BFB wasn't rigged, but the ending of BFB was designed in a way to give closure to Flower's redemption arc that pretty much lasted the entirety of BFB, which swayed a lot of voters. The viewers reacted positively to a character that was well-written, which is intuitive. Most of the characters post-split had something interesting to them anyway, but Flower does have a prominent history in this series and is a lot of people's favorite contestant. The idea that Jacknjellify was biased to Flower is only being expressed because it's an entertaining narrative rather than because it's accurate to how the story was made.
The accusations of voting fraud don't have evidence to them, but Flower did get a lot of immunity late in the competition. Gelatin only got immunity once yet he didn't eliminated the whole way through post-split BFB until he didn't win the finale, so if the majority of voters really wanted him to win, he simply would've got more votes than Flower in the finale. Gelatin was kind to Flower after Flower sacrificed a lot of money, and the Announcer entertained the idea of either character winning BFB. I think it would've been cool for Gelatin to win so the Newbie Alliance could've been a success and so he could maintain the fact that he has never been eliminated (if you count not winning as being eliminated), so there weren't only reasons for voters to choose Flower.
Before Leafy got eliminated, I even thought she was highly likely to win BFB, because post-split BFB gave closure to the story about Dream Island, Firey winning it and Leafy taking it, so I thought Leafy would win and give Firey one of the prizes. The story between Firey and Leafy was given a sweet ending during the finale of BFB despite neither of them winning, so clearly that was an interest that the writers had, yet they clearly didn't rig one of those contestants into winning.
With all that being established, the case is just that Flower was the right character in the right circumstances. It made sense for her to win, not that there was bias behind the scenes, just that the plot was supporting the fact that it would make sense for her to win, so the story can have good writing.
Also, the vibe of BFB's finale was that whichever character won didn't matter, because both of them were happy to get so far into the competition! Flower's happy thought was a realistic alternate outcome where Gelatin won instead of Flower. Gelatin was very quick to stop being disappointed about losing, and was happy about being the runner up. Flower gave Gelatin the BFB not only for the sake of being nice to her friend by sharing a prize, but also so that Gelatin was able to help finish Four's arc without being the winner and without Flower being present, since Flower had to be with the Announcer and Purple Face so that their roles in BFB can have closure. It's not unlikely that the finishing of Four's arc in BFB's finale was mostly written without regard for who won BFB. There was even a joke where Four congratulated Gelatin for winning, but it abruptly stopped being heartfelt because Gelatin pointed out that Flower actually won.
I ain’t reading all that
@@StickDude11 In summary, Jacknjellify wasn't biased, because most of the characters during post-split BFB, including Gelatin, Firey and Leafy, had their time in the spotlight while having a high quality place in the story regardless of how they didn't end up winning BFB, so it's most likely that Flower won simply because her time in the spotlight so happened to be what most of the voters enjoyed the most.
I agree with every word you say, its not fair that flower gets all of this hate when she just redeemed herself. Sue me, but I like bfb 29 and 30. I liked the happy ending. I feel like I'm the only person who likes the BFDI final 4 in post split.
jnj milked every last drop of viewers sympathy for flower
@@DragonMaster1818 who didn’t like those episodes? Oh right, flower haters. I genuinely forgot who I voted for, although I think it was flower.
I still hold on to my firm belief that both BFDI winners so far has been rigged.
It's slightly more less obvious for Firey. He was the first character created and they clearly wanted him to win. I'm still convinced that Leafy should have actually won and that the votes were altered in some way.
As this video mentions, Flower was clearly put in favor over the others and it was set up for her to win.
Hell, if they really wanted to I'm sure they could figure out a way to make Rocky win.
I'm not so sure about Firey being the character the writers wanted to win. The finale seems written with Bubble as the winner in mind, since only thus would it make sense for Leafy and only Leafy to be excluded from Dream Island given her rough history with Bubble throughout the show.
@PentaCrab I actually agree!
man i wish teardrop won bfb, but having her in tpot is neat
I agree
I kinda wish leafy was nicer again and won it. After all, she is the most humble
@@briamari9035I don’t think leafy should have one, because that’s just rewarding her character for being so nice and humble and whatever that she doesn’t have any flaws and becomes annoying or boring quickly
I’m sorry to tell you this-
BFB post-split is definitely biased towards Flower.
The crazy part is- Flower used to be a really hated character, she was the first one out of BFDI Season 1, and boom. She won dream island and now she’s liked by alot of ppl.
i think the problem comes down to bfdi being a viewer vote show, theres nothing wrong with them per-say but if you want to tell a specific story its a little difficult due to the unpredictability, contestant vote shows dont have the same problem very often because the writers get full say over who gets eliminated
While I don’t particularly care about the show, as an advent Taco defender, I obviously looked into the vote. In most results I could find at the time, Taco pulled ahead right at the very end, with her lowest result I found at the time being bottom three. While anything can change, the sudden shift from her having the most votes, a scenario I observed in the live vote count, to the least by such a minuscule margin seems fishy-especially when the rest of the season seemed to be rigged for a Flower win by giving her random immunities whenever she was the clear outlier of the cast and.. of course.. BFB 29.
While nothing can be said for certain, for the sake of plot, I think it’s likely that Flower was indeed saved by the producers, a theory that’s evidently more suspicious when you take into account how Flower is Cary’s favorite contestant. Although, we’ll never know for certain.
Satomi said that they rigged the votes and that flower would've been eliminated.
@@mpeck1234 Bro you gotta source that
@@milkshakedraws6944 Heard that it was in discord.
@@mpeck1234 Anyone can impersonate another user on discord
@@milkshakedraws6944 You're right.
To add onto the writers writing the episode in flowers favor, they wrote the whole episode to gather sympathy votes for flower, making flower be the one stuff happens to, like the bugs or purple face being a bitch to her during the interviews, the whole episode was written so the voters would have the mindset of:
“Yknow, flower literally saved the entire show, and so much happened to her, I feel bad, Ima vote for her”
Yea, the team was basically manipulating the viewers’ empathy so that they would lean onto Flower more, so I’d say the viewer votes near the end doesn’t say much about the actual situation
@@HeidenLamexactly
I didn't think of that at all when I voted. Those seemed to just be gags for laughs, not to be part of the seriousness of the story. I even voted for Gelatin to win, and I was fine with either of the finalists winning. That's how the viewers were supposed to feel during the end of BFB. It ended happy for everyone, and Gelatin even got the prize that he wanted despite not winning. It made sense for Flower to win, since completing Flower's redemption arc seemed to appeal more to most of the voters than Gelatin winning for his simple themed alliance. There are other voting motivations, but it'd be quite a lot to explain. That should have its own video.
Really happy you've returned after over a year! Hope to see more from you in 2023! Nice Video btw!
I don't like to reach out my opinions and be false but I need this information to be out.
The creators of bfb kinda rigged it so bubble could get eliminated.
The Episode before she got eliminated she got barely any screen time
And because of the voting system more votes are better
Blending in the background wasn't going to be good at all
Basically the episode before bubbles elimination she barely got any screen time causing lack of votes for the character.
Forgetting about the character.
And this is helpful to your theory because bubble was a favourite character making flowers chances of winning a bit bigger then it was before.
Don’t worry, it’s just an opinion, for me I don’t really care if they rig it, I only care if they make the show fun to watch:)
I hate the fact that flower won. I didn't really have a reason until now. Thanks for making this!
A VIDEO after a year!!
They obviously wanted to flower to win since post bfb
be it biased or not, i despise gelatin, i prefered flower winning over him
nahhh gelatin better than flower 🗿
@HyperCrystal I wholeheartedly agree
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@@JudasTboiissocoolandadorbbros mad over an opinion 💀
HES BACK
Sneaky flower bias throughout the episodes
BFB 18: Treated terribly by her teammates for no reason, being called Dora as well. Apparently shocked she has a friend.
BFB 22: Remember that one vote difference between flower and taco? Yeah, that never happened. It was rigged. Discord screenshots and stuff.
BFB 23: nobody wears her sweater waaaa
BFB 24: She gives this speech after being so sad that she was thought to be eliminated. I suppose it might’ve been for sympathy points.
BFB 25: flower wins using a rock and isn’t treated too well.
BFB 27: Left out of the newbie alliance at first and is shown to be hated by the others for no reason??? Is also betrayed by teardrop.
BFB 29: This is where it all went down. Is treated horribly by purple face compared to gelatin who is treated amazingly for no reason. My biggest gripe is that she SAVES THE SHOW. Why??? Why would you make her do that? Make an underdeveloped character do it. (Loser, Purple Face, Profily, etc.) I really feel this one little thing made voters type [A]. It makes me real mad that the team decided to use one of the finalists to save the show from being canceled. Like come on?
That’s my rant about flower bias and I hope you enjoyed my ted talk. She also wins immunity the most hmmm
BFB 22: satomi confirms that they rigged the vote so that flower could not be eliminated.
@@mpeck1234 I would add that if there was legitimate proof (but I do kinda believe that lol)
@@skorchx From what I heard it was in a BFB discord server.
@@mpeck1234 alright I’ll add it
@@mpeck1234 she waited till she got fired to snitch 😒
yes, the writers rigged a few eliminations where flower was pretty much gonna be eliminated. they changed the votes to keep flower in. they were biased to keep flower in and it's true. it's been exposed. flower gained a lot of hate from BFB 23 so there's no way she'd stay (also, cary said in one of his humany videos that he considered everyone loves blocky). and they gave flower TWO ADVANTAGES in BFB 29. first one was giving her more screentime than gelatin, and the second one, obviously, making her save the show so the little kids vote her to win. but she was pretty much forced to do so, she didn't even want to save the show because she'd lose her money. and jacknjellify also gave her immuninity too many times. they gave flower immunity in BFB 28 just to make sure she doesn't get voted off, because she'd never be up for elimination again, so they could handle the bias. so yeah, it's so stupid to make flower win for no reason. they should've respected the votes and the community.
I don’t think Episode 23 gave her a lot of hate, I started to like her more after that lol. Although I think I voted for fiery or woody.
@@noahrice6671 still flower winning is biased as hell
@@hyperacusis13 yeah, maybe. I think if the writers hadn’t thrown leafys character off the rails, either her of gelatin would’ve won.
@@noahrice6671 i still think that taco and flower real close elimination feels really weird. i wouldve prefered having fiery or flower get thrown under the bus.
@@hyperacusis13 so just because a vote is close, you think it’s rigged? Even a 1 vote difference?
*(grain of salt as a flower voter here)* I agree with a lot of the points in this video however I feel that Flower is a positive ending to the story as we got to see her grow for an entire season. Gelatin didn’t have a lot going for him going into BFB 29 besides his already fell apart alliance. I think flower realizing that winning wasn’t what she wanted is a great ending especially the “I really did win didn’t I,” line. I think the whole saving the show thing in BFB 29 was probably intentional. While it didn’t personally make me vote her to win, it probably did someone. I think there’s definitely an argument for Gelatin’s alliance giving him a lot of voters to last through the merge considering his closer calls in Pre-Split and BFB 20 but I’d doubt it. Overall I don’t think Flower’s win was 100% rigged but she should’ve gotten less immunities, say remove the one in BFB 28 and have her and have her and Teardrop UFE.
fully agree!
And the ending makes sense as a poetic note since flower was the first to be eliminated.
Just realized you're using the anouncer voice, bloody genius
For more information, this is not true. Cary said in BFB 22 that the vote counter was completely accurate and that there really was a one vote difference.
Aside from that, the only reason Flower got more screen time was because we, as a fan base, wanted her to have more screen time. JnJ were just complying to us. If anything, her amount of screen time is entirely our fault.
I have to agree that Flower was one of the characters that the creators made her doing something to get the viewers vote her, this also happened with pencil, leafy, stapy, firey Jr(for me the most obvious) and David in the votes to eliminate and making viewers dont vote to save people like Bubble or leafy, even tho BFB 29 obviously made the new and younger viewers vote her to win, i would still voted her BC of her change of character since bfdi. Also i dont really think that jacknjelify would rigged the votes of Bfb 22, even tho i cant prove it, i dont really think that they would change the results for make their planned season go exactly like they want, BC thats the point of a object show, let the viewers make their own history VOTING the contestants they want to vote, changing everything that could happend. This is just my opinion, so dont take It like a death message lol.
Also sorry if my ortography is bad, im not in a english-talker country, i live in spain, so i dont KNOW all the words correctly, also the autocorrector doesnt works in like anything, so if a Word IS entirely in caps IS his fault lol
Pencil was the most obvious
After 1 year, the king returned
Yup. It was rigged. After the split, Cary and others just decided to make Flower slightly nicer. It was pretty obvious for me. And I kinda hated it. Flower didn’t deserve to win. Gelatin did. He actually made an alliance. Unlike Flower, who Leafy just added to the Noobie Alliance. She was just rude, really. As you said, Lollipop and Gelatin were fan favorites. I’m on of the fans. And I was kind of a Flower hater. This is all opinion, but I think you will all say it’s a fact.
relevance is probably why pencil got out too, if they done something else with her instead of making her evil out of the blue, she wouldve stayed a fan favourite
Fun fact: micheal animates flower alot which shows his bias.also bc of other show creating stuff
Yes Flower is a fraud, she's just Cary with a wig.
It’s my fault flower won guys. I didn’t vote for taco
technically it was everyone who voted flower’s fault because they all added up to the bigger number by only one
The thing is, i feel like flower was only up taco by a few votes (but not more than 50 i bet) so they took the chance to exaggerate it to make bfb 22 that much bigger of an episode, but rigging it so taco would get out instead of flower?, no
Exaggerating the votes is something the jnj team would never di
ruby also helped flower win, once bubble was eliminated, ruby fans would vote flower since ruby and flower were somewhat friends
I mean, I've always thought it was unfair because how Flower was portrayed in BFB 29 in comparison to how Gelatin was, but wow, now I see that It's been rigged for much longer than that, and it makes you think for how long they can keep the viewer voting system. It was ok before when it was something new and generally a good format, but now that several issues start to appear, like how it can be rigged like Flower or simply because it's hard to create drama or an interesting plot since people root usually for the nicest or funniest one, making a villain character impossible to introduce, because there would only be two outcomes: It gets instantly voted out because he's mean to the liked characters, or put barely ever its team up for elimination until it has a last moment character arc two episodes before his team loses. And with no drama, everything becomes bland.
I feel like it would be better if in TPOT they would do like Inanimate Insanity Invitational, where they made like Total Drama and made the contestants vote, though III doesn't actually do anything with that, like there is no villain and contestants get voted for something that happened in the span of 4 seconds making the whole show extremely boring and I think it's an overrated season, but I couldn't think of another example.
Anyways, fenomenal video, and sorry if I made spelling mistakes, English it's not my first language lol.
I mean you coulda said II season 2 considering all the *depression*
Basically all the characters got robbed after post split
If spongy went in tpot, he could've had a redemption arc, but I feel like spongy didn't deserve to get eliminated
Well if Spongy went to BFB then that would give more time for Flower to “improve” and then the little children would vote for her.
I still like Flower and Gelatin they became the finalist like Firey, Leafy and Bubble
No freaking way it's obecsidet
0:31 why did flower win bfdi, or… did she? (VSauce music)
Yes, I love flower and i'm not ashamed to say it! I also loved her in BFDI, even though she was a villian. You know what they say, no heroes without villian! I don't think it was rigged, at all! Flower deserves the win LOL
I agree with you, sadly I feel for this strategy back when I was on of the "kids who watchs BFDI" age group back in 2020/early 2021. I kept voting Flower because of her redemption arc and "niceness" or whatever. Nowadays I can tell that the htwins wanted Flower to win since BFB 17. I find it sad that I feel into this silent scheme. 😔 Post-Split isnt bad though, it's still OK for what it's worth.
Woah a new comeback!!
If the writers did Intend this I’m glad they did it because not it shows us that someone who was first eliminated in the first season can win the show!
Still stupid because we were told out votes count and if they did rig votes then that would be pretty scummy tbh.
But not through rigging the game to make her win
@@Plugytheplug yeah, it doesn’t matter if she was eliminated first, they should’ve made her more interesting and have her win and fair way.
NO WAY HES BACK AFTER A YEAR
Although I’m a massive flower fan..yeah it was rigged. I thought she was gonna be eliminated over taco.
I honestly think that regarding the Taco vs Flower stuff, you shouldn't just jump to conclusions and say that the writers decided to eliminate Taco just because the votes were close. I think you should just trust the JnJ team on these vote counts. Especially since Cary really loves looking at data, and making up numbers for false data wouldn't be something he would ever do.
Actually, Satomi confirmed that the votes between Taco and Flower WERE rigged, and they did it so Flower could continue her "redemption arc"
@@TennisballAnimations So that's why the votes were so close.
@@TennisballAnimations The screenshot was fake lol
@@TennisballAnimations crazy how satomi is now fired.
@@thesovietsarecoming wait why was satomi fired
The characters that didn't go to post split BFB were actually intended to be killed off at first
imagine if in bfb 30 gelatin still got more votes than flower despite what she did that would've been funny as hell I even voted gelatin in BFB 29
"Flower Deserved to win, Because she saved the show, while gelatin was boring and irrelevant" *Insert Nerd Emoji*
Wow great to see you come back! Anyways, I would like to point out that I collected evidence that BFB 22 and ESPECIALLY BFB 24’s votes were actually rigged and barely changed to conveniently keep Flower in the game. If you want this information I would be happy to send it to you through means that I’m uncertain of yet, but I still think it deserves attention.
Lucky for you that's one of my main points in this video hehehe
@@Objectsided how could the writers do that???…
I want to see the proof
@@aeolus_or_sellennia I’d rather not send the document but pretty much in voting for BFB 24 there is a lot of suspicious evidence pointing to Blocky having 300 votes deleted seemingly out of nowhere, which if true is literally just plain unfair.
May I see it?
if you look at the amount of votes bfb 21 got you can see that flower got more than taco and the bottom 2 are firey and flower
and firey survives
We voted. You voted. Thats how it was. End of story. Quit making drama nothing burgers.
In bfb 29, if they were not trying to make flower win, then they would of picked an eliminated character so none of the finalists would be loved more. So yeah, obviously they d8d you that for flower to win
I’m super ready for this video
I wouldn’t say Flower is a fraud by any means, but rather just the creator themselves.
Glad to see you back :)
0:30 u mean why did Flower win BFB. Fiery won BFDI
no, he means it because they’re battling for a bfdi, so she won a bfdi
@@AcademicJaedon well she did win the bfdi but she didn't get it in the end cause of PF and Anouncer and plus she gave here bfb to Geletin (my spelling sucks so)
My head canon is that gelatin losses due to being cursed in BFB 25
Short answer: yes. She became a generic nice character suddenly after being the main antagonist for some long, like they didn’t show any progress throughout the show, she just became nice for no reason, I miss mean flower.
Mean flower was incredibly boring in my opinion. She had no personality outside of doing the meanest thing possible for literally no reason. She was a super one-note villain character who didn’t even really contribute anything to the show. BFB actually gave Flower a character, so I’m glad she got her character development and became nicer because it actually gave her depth outside of being mean.
@@detectivepikachu5170 nah it’s just really funny to watch her fuck around with the others annoying them and being mean, mean flower is just mean to be mean and it really works late season 1 and season 1 Flower is one of my favorite characters cause of that.
@@detectivepikachu5170Mean flower is actually a lot better. Because it shows the level of nicest to meanest characters in BFDI. For example, you have pencil and match, who are just petty, blocky (who was a vicious prankster), pen, eraser, and snowball, who are a immature, but funny group, and flower, who was the meanest and who everyone was afraid of.
Her transitioning from being a jerk to nice was way too sudden if you really think about her charactee traits. They couldv'e just had her be slightly kind to everyone else, or atleast only be nice towards her friends.
ik she was biased but that doesnt mean she was a bad character i loved her character development and she deserved to win anyways
If jacknjellify lied about the votes istg
ITS BACK
I don't really like how this is just bullying jacknjellify. This seems to scummy for them.
No it’s believable, if you look very close in the backgrounds of BFB 18 you can see Cary and Michael juicing Leafy for her kindness juices so they can give it to Flower.
@@JudasTboiissocoolandadorbexactly
I mean even in pre-split bfb they put Flower on a team full of hated characters so... yeah
Eh i wanted Flower to win bfb anyway
Huh. 3 months later and I found this. I actually thought you wouldn't be doing this for a LONG time lol!
But gelatin had a hudge fanbase while flower wasn't really noticed until the final 14 or something
The only reason that flower won is because of 1 vote
imagine if teardrop wins tpot
sorry bro
well i think that flower becoming a good character was really good and why would they lie about the votes, also it’s the VIEWERS votes, that’s why flower won
Yeah but it’s believable did you watch the video? This isn’t all about the votes but it was how they treated Flower’s character, Flower used to be the antagonist character who yeah was annoying in the first episode of BFB but in late BFB she was pretty funny and in BFB pre-split it felt like she was trying to improve her personality, sure her mean side did shine a bit but she was still somewhat improving but Post-Split BFB feels like she became Leafy 2.0 (yes I’m using that term) and became TOTALLY NICE WOWOWL out of nowhere and that was because JacknJellify was biased, they added Spongy, Loser, and Balloony (an very odd choice) back in just for the purpose of giving Flower more screentime so the little children voted for her and had her get shit on constantly BFB 27-29 so that the people who shit on her would get eliminated and they also forced her to “save the show” which is stupid cause a lot of people thought it was selfless but no it wasn’t she was pretty much forced to do it, she never offered to use her money and I’m pretty sure it was actually Gelatin who came up with the idea for Flower to use her money, and plus Satomi (someone who works on BFB) confirmed that Flower was supposed to get but since JnJ was biased they were easily able to switch the votes because they were so close and plus becoming a generic nice character doesn’t make her a more interesting character, just makes her boring and one sided, cause of that all the little children would vote for her cause she isn’t mean and her giving her prizes away doesn’t justify shit, still an undeserving character that won a rigged show, Flower becoming nice was just a tool to have her win and you know what? I don’t know why they were so biased, it’s their show and if they want to lie about the votes they can but that doesn’t make it justified, Flower won because Jacknjellify made it so that little children voted for her because she was nice, shit on, and “save the show” and you’re probably just scrolling all the way down because you don’t wanna read all that because you’re one of the children who voted for Flower because of the reasons I listed, read it and weep, I wrote an essay on why Flower didn’t deserve a win, maybe that’s why I’m failing school.
Wow that came out a lot longer than expected, oh well, gets to the point.
@@JudasTboiissocoolandadorb i’m not reading that esay, but i don’t think it was rigged, the viewers voted flower to win, i would’ve preferred gelatin or firey to win, but the viewers voted flower.
@@RunFromHimNOW fucking called it.
The writers rigged the votes in BFB 22 so flower wouldn't get eliminated.
Wow you got a lot of subscribers
You had 100 something subs when I last saw your channel
Congrats!
What? NO! Flower deserves it!
And why?
Satomi confirmed that they rigged the vote in BFB 22 so that flower wouldn't be eliminated.
I guess they really liked the idea of the very first eliminated contestant of the whole show winning and taking first place in a finally finished season more than they should have.
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Bro why y'all saying its rigged
Its up to the viewers to vote so its no rigged idiots
Its fair
Everything about her win was fair
Also there's animationepic voting flower to win most likely jacknjellify told them to do so animationepic probs 2nd biggest object show creator definitely has a great deal of influence
Also Raindrop in the Oven Episode was basically character assassinated and Also the betrayl thing would definitely make flower get more sympathy
I’m 4 Months late but Flower’s win was very unfair
It was obvious the creators favoured her during post split
and rigged eliminations like taco so Flower would stay
I feel like they should stop forcing votes and make the show fair
I Hope They don’t do this in TPOT
Taco's eliminaiton wasnt rigged
@@ddlcfan2763 It was not
Well I liked it anyway even if it was rigged. She deserved it and some people do change the way they act suddenly.
We had the top three,
Now the top four.
Honestly they might as well do contestant voting
People can say its not rigged but look at her team
Spongy: FUCKING HATED
Loser: Stood no chance after Spongy
Taco: Had a horrible derail with Blocky
Blocky: Boring as Hell
Woody: Didnt Improve till he was eliminated
Firey: Already Won Season 1
And in the other team
Balloony: Was On a fan favorite team
Ruby: Wtf was to do with her
Bubble: lost her good side later in the show
Lollipop and Gelatin: Didnt improve till BFB 22
Leafy: Already got 2nd plus She already had a arc with Firey
Teardrop: Should had been In Tpot
If you ask me the cast could have improve the smaller the cast were could have been more improvement but there were just bias towards the characters also dont get me started on bfb 25 so yeah rigged season
honestly they need to get rid of viewer voting. if they had control over who went when i feel like we'd get a much more compelling show than this, as the subtle manipulation of the votes really flies in the face of what viewer voting is supposed to accomplish (a fun way for the audience to interact while also telling production who they want to get more focus). plus it'd be interesting for the show to be a little more strategic, instead of just being purely comedy oriented (and yes ik the comedy is mostly secondary to the interpersonal drama of the characters, but wouldn't actual strategizing add more of that?). ik BFDI without viewer voting would be a major breach of tradition, but when production is subtly manipulating the viewers into giving them the result [production] wants, viewer voting is basically arbitrary at this point. have the viewers vote on something less consequential, or maybe just use the votes as a basis to see what the fans want more of.
i actually agree on the fact that instead of us voting it would be much better if they did, as alot of good character arcs were avoided due to them getting voted out. i actually really wanted to see match and bubble's relationship grow as it would make there alliance alot stronger and cooler. sadly match got voted out cuz "she acted mean to bubble boohoo". i also wanted to see other characters like lightning more, expecially more compared to a character like tree. altough i must say that alot of characters stay in the game sheerly due to them being just funny or cool (like pillow, gelatine, black hole, rocky, etc) i hope that for TPOT teardrop wins as he is a absolute BEAST becoming third in bfb, having become a master at murder, betrayals, and the silent nature of him is still interesting. i wouldve found a finale with teardrop VS flower a much cooler end due to it being a force of evil that became good vs a force of calm that became chaotic and cunning.
Your lest video was in 2021
Flower won bfdi!
*ISN'T SHE BEAUTIFUL?!?*