Johnny is not only the oldest, but he like Mike (even more so) has business savvy. He’s been through it in the industry and brings his knowledge to NE, not to overshadow any one, but to enhance everyone. I’m glad they worked this out. Next stop, ROCK & ROLL HALL OF FAME!!! NE4Life.
@@dominiquewilson ummmmmm, where in my comment did I say that Johnny was in charge of anything? Each member of NE brings something to the table. Mike has the business sense of the group, but every once in awhile it’s good to get an alley-oop. Johnny provided that, and if wasn’t him it would be some one else. In fact Ralph co-signed and no one’s complaining. Also regardless of when Johnny joined NE, he’s a key component of NE.
@@dominiquewilsonYes Johnny joined New Edition later on in the game. New Edition was a household name then, but let’s be real, they were a bubble gum type of group for when we were young teens. It wasn’t until Johnny Gill joined the group that gave the group it’s mature sound as Young Men. I truly believe they’ve would of eventually faded out if Johnny hadn’t help with the mature sound of the group. So he just as much an original in my eyes than anyone else. He was an important part of the group as one of the Lead Singers.
I love New Edition for life. Every relationship has internal issues and they battled for sure, but as brothers, they never aired out their dirty laundry before the world to hurt each other. They found a resolution and worked to resolve conflict, and I love the protection for each other.
Johnny Gill talks in a nice clear tone where you can easy make out each word that he's saying but somehow still leaves you not knowing what the hell that he's talking about. 😅
He's not going to mention Bob drunkenness trying to holla at Ralph daughter and Ralph's pistolwhooping him for it. And Mike like he was drunk plus other groups have done way worse and still continued so he got bob and made rbrm to make a point to Ralph and to make $$$ while they're still a little heat left. Btw the only reason rbrm money train stopped waa covid
@@classicredwine On RUclips. He talks about it during a few interviews I've seen during the promotion of All Mine during the pandemic. I think he also speaks on it in his Closer Look doc that came out around the same time.
Johnny put in his time and energy and blood into New Edition, but I never believed he should have been the one to buy the trademark. They all put in a piece of them into the group and Ralph was essentially the lead singer and the heart of New Edition, BUT Bobby was the reason why the group even existed in the first place. However, Johnny made perfect since when he said the name needs to be protected. And he does seem like he's the most rational out of all of them. I hate that they haven't gotten their props like they should have. They were The Jackson Five of their time. BET gave them their Biopic (which was done very well. Lifetime network needs to take lesson from BET bc what in the all hell were those Aaliyah and Whitney biopics??) and their Anniversary Special. But these guys deserve more.
I agree especially dragging Ralph’s name into it getting him involved into the mess. But tbh, I believe the person that should’ve bought the name was Brooke Payne because he’s the one who actually gave the guys that name I’m just sayin’
They'll be alright, they always make it work somehow even when everyone thinks it's finally hit its breaking point. I wouldn't be surprised if they all get along better than we all think; love it or hate it, drama sells as much as music. Whenever people think it's over and they miraculously make a comeback, there's always BUTTS in those seats. Not to say that they don't clearly have their differences but they aren't stupid. Lol I'm not talking to anyone in particular. Just thinking out loud. Apologies for the novel
FUN FACT.JOHNNY GILL HAS HIS OWN LABEL AND HE RELEASES HIS MUSIC OWN MUSIC ON IT..RALPH IS ALSO ON HIS LABEL TOO. SO THEY ARE BUSINESS PARTNERS..JOHNNY AND RALPH
En Vogue went through the same thing. Cindy and Terry own the LLC. I remember when Maxine tried to start a new group called En Vogue to the Max. Cindy and Terry put a stop to that with the quickness.
The problem is.. if you aren't the founding member but you have business knowledge that is helpful to the group that you are a part of - you don't go around them to utilize it, you go to them and teach them how to do it. Brotherhood isn't a 1 or 2 person business..it's an "all hands on deck" growing process 💪🏾
See? And the website, and the social media handles, etc. Why is it the NE4Lifers had to push them to do everything including pushing for them to get the Star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame?
That was very rational, wise and professional of Johnny. It makes total rational sense. Protect the brand that includes all parties. Sometimes everyone can’t see the vision right away.
YES - this right there! "Protect the brand that includes ALL parties," which they did not do - but they should have. If Johnny put Ralph's name on it - he could've easily put everyone else's name on it as well.
There are so, so many examples of music groups from all genres who are or have been in this situation-a former member starts a new version of the group -Temptations, Klymaxx, The Beach Boys, Funkadelic to name a few, so this is more common than people think.
Funny you got people in the comments talking about "it should be this and it should have been that" trying to give a opinion on "legal advice" but when these same people don't even read the terms of the agreement when they download an app much less the terms when they purchase a vehicle.
Love Johnny my DC brother & have always loved NE -- but I wouldn't have initially believed JGs intentions either, being that the perception is that he bought the trademark out from under the other members THEN discussed it with them after the fact, knowing that he had the leverage of already owning it (shrewd move, mind you).....But glad it's all worked out now (I hope)
Interesting. A few years back when this issue was happening, Johnny said that the trademark wasn’t the real issue as to why there was beef. The trademark definitely was an issue but clearly it was something more personal that happened that stopped them from touring after the series.
Bob in his drunkenness did try to holla and Ralph pulled gun on him for it and that's the reason. All the members kept talking about the name but said they didnt want to say too much to impede them getting back together. Bob isnt proud of that cause he was drunk when it happened and alicia put him back into rehab
I’m still confused about Johnny Gill the name trademark name of New Edition my opinion that Johnny wasn’t there day one when Group signed the first contract with Marus starr here how can he get the LLC before the guys? Ronnie Ricky Mike Bobby didn’t have a say so in the LLC trademark so Johnny Gill and Ralph Tresvant are the only two that say so new addition namebrand
Vlad, you are at the top of the game with the quality of your guest. With that said, please talk less, and allow the guest to talk more. As a host, the audience are here for the guest, and not the host.
Was wondering if someone felt the same. He over talks....sometimes is wrong with the info.... doing way too much!! So frustrating. Just ask the c question.....let the guest speak.
New Edition had a chance to own their name are trademark L.L.C. back in 1983 but let AMI/Jump and Shoot do it when they signed with the production company while thinking they were signed to MCA records when they sued Maurice Starr for embezzlement in court and won when they were on his record label Streetwise records.
I have been a fan of New Edition since Candy Girl dropped. I totally understand why Johnny followed thru with the trademark + him and Ralph are best friends. Johnny isn't only the oldest in NE; he has been in the Entertainment Industry longer and is more mature given his childhood of a 2-parent home and a strong spiritual foundation. New Edition was marketed as a Pop Group but dem fellas was from "da hood"; no shade just the truth. The trademark move was necessary and it's a reflection of how business affairs with the New Edition brand wasn't as tight as they should've been. They missed out on a lot of money not capitalizing off their 2017 BET Biopic with a tour. It would've been massive but too much ego got in the way & they couldn't see the bigger picture as a Brand. I would've been like when are we rehearsing for da tour cuz I'm trying to secure the bag. 🤷🏾♀️
I remember thinking the same thing (rewatched the biopic for the first time in A LONG TIME over the weekend) because you could argue that NE could've made back ALL of the money they were cheated out of by Maurice, Jump & Shoot, the Home Again Tour (they dropped the ball themselves there), etc. with a huge tour and new album. However, the movie clearly reopened wounds and whatnot. I know it's rough, but they should've fought through that pain and made that BANK!
I’m from Brazil and grew up listening to New Edition but I’m in total shock in learning after decades in the Business, no member ever thought about Trademark the group name ? I mean, they formed in 1978 and Brooke Payne gave them the name, why didn’t he Trademark it then ? And to think this came about right when their Biopic was about to be released and the plan was to drop a album and tour right after the biopic only for them to go to war with each other instead over this trademark 😲😳 man oh man, if anyone were to ask me to name an example of a fumbled bag, this right here would be it. They attracted new and old fans from that biopic and could’ve capitalized on it big time, they truly raised their stock with that biopic, I don’t think they could ever reach that high of hot topic like they generated after that biopic release. They truly fumbled the bag big time, they could’ve made millions, probably to the tune of making up for the money they didn’t receive when they were young. Man and to think all this could’ve been avoided if they would’ve handled this whole trademark decades ago or they came together as a group and handled business.
Well yeah I can see why they was mad. Especially at Johnny since he wasn’t an original member. That’s could come off as a Puffy move. But I see his logic.
Hopefully the other members added their names or did Johnny pull a fast one. If they didn't, can't Johnny & Ralph sell or license out the name for their own future profits leaving out the others. Johnny (savy) can buy out Ralph & become sole trademark name owner. We've seen the groups past years frictions. Just asking
How ever it came about that the trademark wasn't owned by the group, they should've had a sit down and discussed it before it was bought by johnny and ralph, I'm sure they knew they would profit off the use by anyone of the name. I would've been upset
Thank you!!!!! BEST COMMENT EVER! The mark of a great interviewer is let the guest complete his statement and thought. You can always go back and edit what you need. Vlad interrupts the conversation and its hard for the viewer. Funny people talk about Shannon Sharpe and he's not a great interview but actually he is. He lets the guest talk. A good interview is like a tennis match. It's back and forth with a complete expression of thoughts.
Here's the thing. As business savvy as Michael Bivins is I'm surprised he didn't buy the New Edition trademark years ago. Any one could've bought their group name and then they really would've had issues.
@herbtapp3031 I understand trademark laws very well. He trademarked the name and wouldn't go on tour because he was mad that they didn't put his story in the mini series. That was his way of getting back at them.
@@stunnabreezy3what you mean? Wasn't he in the mini series when it was time for him to be? It's been a while since I've seen it but I definitely remember him being on there. Besides they should've made more films and continued the story anyway like they did with Bobby's story. NE always has internal issues but they always come back!
@nathanscipio6148 no they had to keep pushing the series back because everytime the film crew went to DC he never showed up. So he got mad when they finally wrapped and put it out.
Vlad disrespecting New Edition again. Ricky ALREADY told him RBRM had no intention of using NE name and that them not owning the name is not the reason they used RBRM.
once he explained it that way, that's the realest thing to do. Gotta respect it. plus, i know why it was him and Ralph. And not another member of the group it makes perfect sense
I’m just glad y’all stuck together. The main thing you basically wanted the same thing. The rest was just being being human mistakes miscommunication and pride
I get the reason behind protecting the brand, but how in the beginning did it start being owned under Johnny and Ralph? Did they have a company together and it was bought under that? Was Ralph chillin in the living room with Johnny when he got that call from the lawyer? Why couldn’t they all get on the conference call and make it happen? I’m glad it all sorted out but it feels like it was forced to be sorted out because the other four were going to bring it to court.
This was a great idea b/c each member could have essentially used the name and there would have been 6 splinter New Edition groups, which lessens and waters down the brand and makes them less attractive to promoters, which cuts into their earning potential.
Hey to me I don’t care when Johnny came in the group. It’s his group just as much as it is the original 5. Johnny been around since 88, and put his time in…..too took New Edition to another level, and him joining them took his career to another level.
Hopefully everyone is protected!!! I Believe The Jacksons were never acknowledged Bet Awards, Soul Train, Nor American Music Awards... Sad including all of past groups...
I disagree, JG isn’t a step brother. Technically he was with NE longer than Bobby. I met Ronnie last year and I had the chance to tell him how happy I am to see all 6 together and getting along.
I had a hunch that they'd bounce back from this. There's only one New Edition member who can say they've consistently had a successful music career outside of the group and it's not any of the original five lol. NE is their bread and butter. Yes they all have their decent side endeavors and sure, Biv has been Mr. Big Shot Multimillionaire Mogul for a few decades now but even HE knows he can't resist that sweet steady NE tour income, let's be real 😆. They were gonna work this out SOMEHOW and they knew it. There was too much money at stake not to. The drama of it all just stirred up interest for when they all hit the stage again like we knew they would lol. The Legacy tour was lit, wouldn't you say? I love this group lmao
You’re right, Ralph and Bobby were real close. But they had a falling out some years ago and Ralph wasn’t speaking to him for years and this was all during the trademark situation. They’re cool now but I don’t know if they’ll ever go back to being that close again.
Bobby and Ralph were definitely the David Ruffin and Eddie Kendricks of New Edition in both style and personality. The only difference is that Bobby actually survived his issues and David didn't
@@jaygotbandz1you know NE never let out their dirty laundry. So that will never be confirmed. But it explains why that your stopped in 2017 and I tend to believe Bobby’s nephew because it hasn’t been refuted by the group.
Johnny, even if he was the last to join, is as much a legal member of New Edition as any other member. Therefore, he has the right to secure the copyright.
@pensiveczar2239 We'll just agree to disagree on that. New edition was a well known, established group before Johnny was asked to replace Bobby. If bobby hadn't left Johnny would have never been in the group at all so how he gone take ownership of the name?
@@robertb1275 lets keep it real here. if Johnny doesnt join NE at that junction, there may not have been an NE as we know it. Heartbreak and everything after may not even exist. Sure, if Bobby doesnt get kicked out then Johnny likely never joins, but blame Bobby for that. End of the day, Johnny was and is still a member of NE for well over 30 years. So he (and Ralph) did what the others likely werent even thinking about, to protect the group.
It's good that someone who was actually a member of the group obtained the ownership of the Trademark Group name... What if one day some of their talented kids want to start a New...New Edition group.... Like New Edition 2.0...made up of the kids...So and So's sons and Daughters..
i can't remember who exactly but on R.B.R.M breakfast club intervew they spoke on it. Said johnny came to everyone & no one rush to hop on it except ralph. They thought it was still open since no one owned it. But they knew
It's good that they secured the trademark of the name, but I don't buy the argument that a member of New Edition might go and start his own group with other singers and call it New Edition like the Temptations did. No member of New Edition would ever create a fake New Edition with a new line up of new singers that were not previously in the group. They don't have to do this because they all have solo success and can always tour as solo acts.
I hear your point but look at the Temptations. David Ruffin, Eddie Kendrick, and Dennis Edwards all had successful solo careers but got other singers and toured as the Temptations until Otis Williams successfully won in court to prevent this from happening. Because of the egos involved I could see members of New Edition doing the same thing.
@@dsmiley1971 True. That's a good point but after all these years of me following New Edition (since Candy Girl) it's hard for me to picture any one of them doing that. Which member of New Edition do you think would be likely to start his own version of New Edition, hire new singers and tour?
Sheeeeit technically Bobby, Ronnie, Mike and Ricky (RBRM) did just that 😂 they may not have called it New Edition but they basically created a separate group (out of spite) excluding Johnny and Ralph.
I know I luv jonny gill mane he is one of my favorite on NE ! Is Johnny gill, Ronnie devoe and bobby brown that is my favorite in New edition but I like johnny more tho!
Johnny Gill was his own solo artist before New Edition! NE asked Johnny to join the group when Bobby left. They never treated Johnny right while in the group.
Johnny and Ralph were wrong for that period. At the time I remember them both playing the victim. Wish they would have clued in their group members about them trade marking New Edition. Glad it’s all worked out though.
Johnny is not even an original member so him buying the trademark is a NO for me. I understand Ralph who has been the lead man the entire duration. Johnny can have several seats. The only reason Johnny kept coming back to NE was because his solo career peaked quickly and he needed to pay the bills. Had he had Gerald Levert or Keith Sweat type success he would have left NE and LSG in the dust.
It doesn't matter if he's a original member or not. It's show BUSINESS. It's 95% business and 5% show. You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. When it comes down to business it doesn't matter "what you feel". The business is what it is. Whatever is on paper or NOT on paper is how this plays out. Simple as that.
He became a Member of NE because Ralph was going solo so some people of NE thought they need a new lead singer so it's not about that he needed money. Try to find the real reason why johnny became a Member instead of saying that he needed money.
JOHNNY..... 6 words for 6 legendary brothers!! And it's simple!! ROCK & ROLL HALL OF FAME!! Carry on!! 🎤🎤🎤🎤🎤🎤
The rhof is a joke and corrupt
Johnny is not only the oldest, but he like Mike (even more so) has business savvy. He’s been through it in the industry and brings his knowledge to NE, not to overshadow any one, but to enhance everyone. I’m glad they worked this out. Next stop, ROCK & ROLL HALL OF FAME!!! NE4Life.
Bro he joined New Edition after they were already out for 10 years. He shouldn’t be in charge of anything lol.
@@dominiquewilson ummmmmm, where in my comment did I say that Johnny was in charge of anything? Each member of NE brings something to the table. Mike has the business sense of the group, but every once in awhile it’s good to get an alley-oop. Johnny provided that, and if wasn’t him it would be some one else. In fact Ralph co-signed and no one’s complaining. Also regardless of when Johnny joined NE, he’s a key component of NE.
@@dominiquewilsonYes Johnny joined New Edition later on in the game. New Edition was a household name then, but let’s be real, they were a bubble gum type of group for when we were young teens. It wasn’t until Johnny Gill joined the group that gave the group it’s mature sound as Young Men. I truly believe they’ve would of eventually faded out if Johnny hadn’t help with the mature sound of the group. So he just as much an original in my eyes than anyone else. He was an important part of the group as one of the Lead Singers.
BRAVO FOR ALL 6 MEMBERS of NE👑
@@dominiquewilsonbro has been in the group for 37 years of his life. Let that sink in. 😅😅😅
I saw them in concert. They haven't lost a step. It was a blessing to see them as one and put all their different to the side.
come on now bobby has lost 18 steps trust he he not dancing like 1985 not weighting a popeye chicken and biscuit with 2 side orders
I love New Edition for life. Every relationship has internal issues and they battled for sure, but as brothers, they never aired out their dirty laundry before the world to hurt each other. They found a resolution and worked to resolve conflict, and I love the protection for each other.
Johnny Gill talks in a nice clear tone where you can easy make out each word that he's saying but somehow still leaves you not knowing what the hell that he's talking about. 😅
My grandmother would say you talking in circles and he is doing that
He's not going to mention Bob drunkenness trying to holla at Ralph daughter and Ralph's pistolwhooping him for it. And Mike like he was drunk plus other groups have done way worse and still continued so he got bob and made rbrm to make a point to Ralph and to make $$$ while they're still a little heat left. Btw the only reason rbrm money train stopped waa covid
@@godcentricimagery1581Pistolwhipped?? How do you know that this happened?? 😭
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@a-m3248I remember ralph saying that Bobby tried to get at his daughter but I don’t remember him being pw
This is the first interview where I’ve heard a new edition member actually go into detail about this dispute
Johnny's the oldest member, yet he has the least seniority
@@clydezackery_hootie26 makes sense, also doesn’t seem like the type to even want seniority or the power with it.
Ralph has spoken about it a lot.
@@DangerousLeeon which platform? I’d love to listen to his take on it
@@classicredwine On RUclips. He talks about it during a few interviews I've seen during the promotion of All Mine during the pandemic. I think he also speaks on it in his Closer Look doc that came out around the same time.
That was a brotherly, brilliant business decision to preserve their legacy,
I totally get it...I don't want to see 3 or 4 different versions of N.E. in the future because individuals couldn't get along.
True brotherhood.... things always come together....
Johnny put in his time and energy and blood into New Edition, but I never believed he should have been the one to buy the trademark. They all put in a piece of them into the group and Ralph was essentially the lead singer and the heart of New Edition, BUT Bobby was the reason why the group even existed in the first place. However, Johnny made perfect since when he said the name needs to be protected. And he does seem like he's the most rational out of all of them.
I hate that they haven't gotten their props like they should have. They were The Jackson Five of their time. BET gave them their Biopic (which was done very well. Lifetime network needs to take lesson from BET bc what in the all hell were those Aaliyah and Whitney biopics??) and their Anniversary Special. But these guys deserve more.
That is their business not ours
This is business
Everybody should have been able to eat off the name
@@doitall36They put their own business out there.
I agree especially dragging Ralph’s name into it getting him involved into the mess. But tbh, I believe the person that should’ve bought the name was Brooke Payne because he’s the one who actually gave the guys that name I’m just sayin’
Brooke Payne truthfully should be the legal copywriter owner of the name “New Edition”
Agreed. 💯
brooke is on the agreement he gave them the name
They are ALL performing together now as New Edition so they have worked it out.
…for now.
@@frankstudent Exactly. These brothers always end up having issues with one another.
@@Realest1ne lol I hope they can keep it together. They’re too old for all that. Go out there, and make yo’ money
They'll be alright, they always make it work somehow even when everyone thinks it's finally hit its breaking point. I wouldn't be surprised if they all get along better than we all think; love it or hate it, drama sells as much as music. Whenever people think it's over and they miraculously make a comeback, there's always BUTTS in those seats. Not to say that they don't clearly have their differences but they aren't stupid. Lol I'm not talking to anyone in particular. Just thinking out loud. Apologies for the novel
FUN FACT.JOHNNY GILL HAS HIS OWN LABEL AND HE RELEASES HIS MUSIC OWN MUSIC ON IT..RALPH IS ALSO ON HIS LABEL TOO. SO THEY ARE BUSINESS PARTNERS..JOHNNY AND RALPH
En Vogue went through the same thing. Cindy and Terry own the LLC. I remember when Maxine tried to start a new group called En Vogue to the Max. Cindy and Terry put a stop to that with the quickness.
WOW. 😳
The problem is.. if you aren't the founding member but you have business knowledge that is helpful to the group that you are a part of - you don't go around them to utilize it, you go to them and teach them how to do it. Brotherhood isn't a 1 or 2 person business..it's an "all hands on deck" growing process 💪🏾
Why didn't the "bidness" man of the group Mike secure the trademark in the 90s?
Exactly! If anything you would think after they hiatus in 88 mike would've locked down the name.Especially after NE had multi bad deals.
See? And the website, and the social media handles, etc. Why is it the NE4Lifers had to push them to do everything including pushing for them to get the Star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame?
@@JenniferGrady Wow I didn't know that about the Hollywood Star. I've seen the videos from that day. NE has the most ride or die and loyal fan base.
Right I said the same thing, it dont make sense , he was starting other groups, but didn't secure the name of his own
Mike didn't know! Just like the rest of them didn't know. Johnny only knew when it was brought to his attention.
Deep and sincere respect for New Edition for putting internal differences aside and coming together in agreement!❤🎉
Johnny Gill - shrewd businessman; don’t sleep
That was very rational, wise and professional of Johnny. It makes total rational sense. Protect the brand that includes all parties. Sometimes everyone can’t see the vision right away.
YES - this right there! "Protect the brand that includes ALL parties," which they did not do - but they should have. If Johnny put Ralph's name on it - he could've easily put everyone else's name on it as well.
@@PSAChickJohnny Gill isn’t new edition lol the original 4 are
I can Respect Anyone. Who knows when TO Hold Their Tongue. Everything Ain't Everyone's Business. MUCH RESPECT 🙏🏼 🫡 👏🏽 🙌🏽
There are so, so many examples of music groups from all genres who are or have been in this situation-a former member starts a new version of the group -Temptations, Klymaxx, The Beach Boys, Funkadelic to name a few, so this is more common than people think.
Funny you got people in the comments talking about "it should be this and it should have been that" trying to give a opinion on "legal advice" but when these same people don't even read the terms of the agreement when they download an app much less the terms when they purchase a vehicle.
Johnny Gill lost millions in lawsuits missed gigs.... He was the only business mind to do THIS trademark🎉
Johnny had no right he is NOT a founding member to own a New Edition Trademark with just him and Ralph….
Facts 💯
I was just about to post that, and you are dead, right?
He does because he was part of the group and added to their success at a pivotal moment in their career and has been a member til this day.
Johnnie Gill revived New Edition at the time. He has every right as any other New Edition member
Bro literally just explained why he did what he did and people are still clueless. 😅🤦🏻♂️
Love Johnny my DC brother & have always loved NE -- but I wouldn't have initially believed JGs intentions either, being that the perception is that he bought the trademark out from under the other members THEN discussed it with them after the fact, knowing that he had the leverage of already owning it (shrewd move, mind you).....But glad it's all worked out now (I hope)
If he was telling the truth all of them should have been able to buy in on the trade mark at one time and it's still time for them to do that 💩.
Interesting. A few years back when this issue was happening, Johnny said that the trademark wasn’t the real issue as to why there was beef. The trademark definitely was an issue but clearly it was something more personal that happened that stopped them from touring after the series.
Bobby tried to holla at Ralph's daughter
That is correct, people are saying anything in these comments and I just shake my head.......🫤
@@MrsKBellStGeorgeRight. It annoys me when people just be saying anything. These people don’t know what they talking about 💀
Bob in his drunkenness did try to holla and Ralph pulled gun on him for it and that's the reason. All the members kept talking about the name but said they didnt want to say too much to impede them getting back together. Bob isnt proud of that cause he was drunk when it happened and alicia put him back into rehab
I’m still confused about Johnny Gill the name trademark name of New Edition my opinion that Johnny wasn’t there day one when Group signed the first contract with Marus starr here how can he get the LLC before the guys? Ronnie Ricky Mike Bobby didn’t have a say so in the LLC trademark so Johnny Gill and Ralph Tresvant are the only two that say so new addition namebrand
We only know what we’ve been told, and I believe Johnny. I’ve never heard of him being shady
Vlad, you are at the top of the game with the quality of your guest. With that said, please talk less, and allow the guest to talk more. As a host, the audience are here for the guest, and not the host.
Was wondering if someone felt the same. He over talks....sometimes is wrong with the info.... doing way too much!! So frustrating. Just ask the c question.....let the guest speak.
@@mscrystald1Vladimir is a federal agent
New Edition had a chance to own their name are trademark L.L.C. back in 1983 but let AMI/Jump and Shoot do it when they signed with the production company while thinking they were signed to MCA records when they sued Maurice Starr for embezzlement in court and won when they were on his record label Streetwise records.
So they got finessed in 83 basically
They were young
@@andrewstaples7544 Exactly! This man talking like they was 30. THEY WAS 14!!!!!
@@ProducerTSS he wasn't even in the ground when they was first starting out
@@andrewstaples7544 Exactly! 💯 Folks gotta do they homework mane.
100 percent correct. don't let the brand fall in the mud. and you get the money off your name.
I have been a fan of New Edition since Candy Girl dropped. I totally understand why Johnny followed thru with the trademark + him and Ralph are best friends. Johnny isn't only the oldest in NE; he has been in the Entertainment Industry longer and is more mature given his childhood of a 2-parent home and a strong spiritual foundation.
New Edition was marketed as a Pop Group but dem fellas was from "da hood"; no shade just the truth. The trademark move was necessary and it's a reflection of how business affairs with the New Edition brand wasn't as tight as they should've been.
They missed out on a lot of money not capitalizing off their 2017 BET Biopic with a tour. It would've been massive but too much ego got in the way & they couldn't see the bigger picture as a Brand. I would've been like when are we rehearsing for da tour cuz I'm trying to secure the bag. 🤷🏾♀️
I remember thinking the same thing (rewatched the biopic for the first time in A LONG TIME over the weekend) because you could argue that NE could've made back ALL of the money they were cheated out of by Maurice, Jump & Shoot, the Home Again Tour (they dropped the ball themselves there), etc. with a huge tour and new album. However, the movie clearly reopened wounds and whatnot. I know it's rough, but they should've fought through that pain and made that BANK!
I’m from Brazil and grew up listening to New Edition but I’m in total shock in learning after decades in the Business, no member ever thought about Trademark the group name ? I mean, they formed in 1978 and Brooke Payne gave them the name, why didn’t he Trademark it then ?
And to think this came about right when their Biopic was about to be released and the plan was to drop a album and tour right after the biopic only for them to go to war with each other instead over this trademark 😲😳 man oh man, if anyone were to ask me to name an example of a fumbled bag, this right here would be it.
They attracted new and old fans from that biopic and could’ve capitalized on it big time, they truly raised their stock with that biopic, I don’t think they could ever reach that high of hot topic like they generated after that biopic release.
They truly fumbled the bag big time, they could’ve made millions, probably to the tune of making up for the money they didn’t receive when they were young. Man and to think all this could’ve been avoided if they would’ve handled this whole trademark decades ago or they came together as a group and handled business.
Johnny and Ralph did the right thing. So new edition can stay with all the members
Well yeah I can see why they was mad. Especially at Johnny since he wasn’t an original member. That’s could come off as a Puffy move. But I see his logic.
Hopefully the other members added their names or did Johnny pull a fast one. If they didn't, can't Johnny & Ralph sell or license out the name for their own future profits leaving out the others. Johnny (savy) can buy out Ralph & become sole trademark name owner. We've seen the groups past years frictions. Just asking
all 6 and Brook Payne all have equal ownership of the NE name and trademark. exactly what Johnny wanted in the first place.
Never trademark a group name in your own name, the others will be hurt, justifiably so.
He basically said, "Ralph and I got the name because we don't trust any of y'all." Of course, hell broke loose!
How ever it came about that the trademark wasn't owned by the group, they should've had a sit down and discussed it before it was bought by johnny and ralph, I'm sure they knew they would profit off the use by anyone of the name. I would've been upset
Dayummm Vlad let your guest finish their take or their thought. You interrupt all the time sheesh.
He's always been a horrible interviewer. Always. I don't know why someone hasn't disrupted his business model yet, because it would be so easy.
Thank you!!!!! BEST COMMENT EVER! The mark of a great interviewer is let the guest complete his statement and thought. You can always go back and edit what you need. Vlad interrupts the conversation and its hard for the viewer. Funny people talk about Shannon Sharpe and he's not a great interview but actually he is. He lets the guest talk. A good interview is like a tennis match. It's back and forth with a complete expression of thoughts.
Makes no sense to put the name in two band members first then do the agreement. That's shady shit right there
Exactly, N.E suffered from a hell of miscommunication back then, thankfully they got it together now
Here's the thing. As business savvy as Michael Bivins is I'm surprised he didn't buy the New Edition trademark years ago. Any one could've bought their group name and then they really would've had issues.
He still looks like the type to wear a jacket w no shirt
After the mini series they had so much momentum, new fans and hype. You trademarking the name killed all that momentum.
I think you may not understand trademark laws.
@herbtapp3031 I understand trademark laws very well. He trademarked the name and wouldn't go on tour because he was mad that they didn't put his story in the mini series. That was his way of getting back at them.
@@stunnabreezy3what you mean? Wasn't he in the mini series when it was time for him to be? It's been a while since I've seen it but I definitely remember him being on there. Besides they should've made more films and continued the story anyway like they did with Bobby's story. NE always has internal issues but they always come back!
@nathanscipio6148 no they had to keep pushing the series back because everytime the film crew went to DC he never showed up. So he got mad when they finally wrapped and put it out.
It was way before the miniseries for me that hurt the momentum, tong between heartbreak and home again for a group album.
Johnny"s always been smart and humble.
Who cares if Johnny was a founding member or not?! Clearly he was smart enough to buy it!
It matters so many care
Vlad disrespecting New Edition again. Ricky ALREADY told him RBRM had no intention of using NE name and that them not owning the name is not the reason they used RBRM.
Still Johnny did a smart business move...but they all not going to talk about why tour didn't happen and rightfully so
once he explained it that way, that's the realest thing to do. Gotta respect it. plus, i know why it was him and Ralph. And not another member of the group it makes perfect sense
I’m just glad y’all stuck together. The main thing you basically wanted the same thing. The rest was just being being human mistakes miscommunication and pride
I get the reason behind protecting the brand, but how in the beginning did it start being owned under Johnny and Ralph? Did they have a company together and it was bought under that? Was Ralph chillin in the living room with Johnny when he got that call from the lawyer? Why couldn’t they all get on the conference call and make it happen? I’m glad it all sorted out but it feels like it was forced to be sorted out because the other four were going to bring it to court.
Ralph was essentially the only one at the time willing to listen.
How does his explanation play out with the Logline of "Me and Tresvant bought the Trademark?" Click bait.
This was a great idea b/c each member could have essentially used the name and there would have been 6 splinter New Edition groups, which lessens and waters down the brand and makes them less attractive to promoters, which cuts into their earning potential.
I love Johnny but I do feel like the New Edition Name should belong to all of them including Bobby
That's literally what he said. They are on tour NOW as New Edition so they have worked it out.
It does look it up
@AirunDevon not at 1st. Johnny and ralph tried to steal it
@@columbusohio72nope
Sometimes you guys don't listen. That's not what he said. @@columbusohio72
Somebody had to do it! Lol 😂❤ might as well be you...BD💎
Hey to me I don’t care when Johnny came in the group. It’s his group just as much as it is the original 5. Johnny been around since 88, and put his time in…..too took New Edition to another level, and him joining them took his career to another level.
lol
Hopefully everyone is protected!!! I Believe The Jacksons were never acknowledged Bet Awards, Soul Train, Nor American Music Awards... Sad including all of past groups...
I remember David Ruffin and the Temptations 😂😂
Shittt the way Johnny explained it if mike being the original savvy one did that from the beginning before bobby left smh lmfao
I disagree, JG isn’t a step brother. Technically he was with NE longer than Bobby. I met Ronnie last year and I had the chance to tell him how happy I am to see all 6 together and getting along.
Now this the type of messy I like.
Bob got his individual respect
Its just good business if you ask me.
I had a hunch that they'd bounce back from this. There's only one New Edition member who can say they've consistently had a successful music career outside of the group and it's not any of the original five lol. NE is their bread and butter. Yes they all have their decent side endeavors and sure, Biv has been Mr. Big Shot Multimillionaire Mogul for a few decades now but even HE knows he can't resist that sweet steady NE tour income, let's be real 😆.
They were gonna work this out SOMEHOW and they knew it. There was too much money at stake not to. The drama of it all just stirred up interest for when they all hit the stage again like we knew they would lol. The Legacy tour was lit, wouldn't you say? I love this group lmao
Just sing Jonhny. 🤣🤣🤣
He’s saying RBRM, but Johnny is saying you don’t want to have Ronnie and five other guys calling themselves New Edition. Keep up! 😅
Well Done. Clean Hearted Minds will always Win. Big up Yuself GOATS
Thank you Vlad🎉
Well spoken
Man that's not Johnny Gill that's Ray Charles 😂
Never do that without everyone on board. Axle Rose did that and it was awful as well. Never works out.
Did johnny gill sign to no limit 😂😂
He a no limit soulja he thought he told ya. lol
Mannnnn 🤣🤣🤣
I thought I’d never hear the details of this story. Charlamagne asked RBRM but they didn’t speak too much on it.
Ralph and Johnny has been showing favoritism to each other for a while now It used To Be Bobby and Ralph But Now It’s Ralph and Johnny….
You’re right, Ralph and Bobby were real close. But they had a falling out some years ago and Ralph wasn’t speaking to him for years and this was all during the trademark situation. They’re cool now but I don’t know if they’ll ever go back to being that close again.
Bobby and Ralph were definitely the David Ruffin and Eddie Kendricks of New Edition in both style and personality. The only difference is that Bobby actually survived his issues and David didn't
@@a-m3248they fell out because Bobby tried to holler at Ralph’s daughter in a sexual way. That’s what Ralph said started the fall out with them.
@@barryscott3458 Did Ralph confirm? that I heard Bobby’s Nephew say it that’s it tho
@@jaygotbandz1you know NE never let out their dirty laundry. So that will never be confirmed. But it explains why that your stopped in 2017 and I tend to believe Bobby’s nephew because it hasn’t been refuted by the group.
The Jackson’s don’t even own J5 that’s why there names The Jacksons now.
He even has sn eloquent speaking voice wow
I cant imagine New Edition featuring some other dudes.
They were New Edition before Johnny joined so how is he in charge of who owns the name?
Johnny, even if he was the last to join, is as much a legal member of New Edition as any other member. Therefore, he has the right to secure the copyright.
@pensiveczar2239 We'll just agree to disagree on that. New edition was a well known, established group before Johnny was asked to replace Bobby. If bobby hadn't left Johnny would have never been in the group at all so how he gone take ownership of the name?
@@robertb1275 lets keep it real here. if Johnny doesnt join NE at that junction, there may not have been an NE as we know it. Heartbreak and everything after may not even exist. Sure, if Bobby doesnt get kicked out then Johnny likely never joins, but blame Bobby for that. End of the day, Johnny was and is still a member of NE for well over 30 years. So he (and Ralph) did what the others likely werent even thinking about, to protect the group.
I wonder if Vlad will speak on the Eddie Murphy rumors 👀
They are close, like Duane and Will.👀
Damn Vlad... that opening question was a bit long.
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That shirt confusing as hell, terrible 😂
It's good that someone who was actually a member of the group obtained the ownership of the Trademark Group name... What if one day some of their talented kids want to start a New...New Edition group.... Like New Edition 2.0...made up of the kids...So and So's sons and Daughters..
Is Johnny out yet? 🌈
Noticed he never really explained why they had to put it in his and Ralph’s name?
i can't remember who exactly but on R.B.R.M breakfast club intervew they spoke on it. Said johnny came to everyone & no one rush to hop on it except ralph. They thought it was still open since no one owned it. But they knew
But he explains this in the interview why it was in his and Ralph's name at first.
I'm confused on why he would buy the trademark name of the group he wasn't even a original member of
Random useless knowledge: Johnny Gill is my 2nd cousin. Do what you want with this information 😂 🤷🏽♂️
Guess I'll stalk his home
We need proof, go find that information
All because he didn't give you some money 🤣 They say family will fuck you first.
New Edition should be touring and making money just like the Rolling Stones. They been singing for 70 years and getting paid.
😂😂😂
Whatever happened to the Bell Biv DeVoe biopic?
This dude is flaming 🔥🔥🔥
"Zesty" as Italian dressing on a salad!
Johnny giving Luther vibes. 🤷♀️
It's good that they secured the trademark of the name, but I don't buy the argument that a member of New Edition might go and start his own group with other singers and call it New Edition like the Temptations did. No member of New Edition would ever create a fake New Edition with a new line up of new singers that were not previously in the group. They don't have to do this because they all have solo success and can always tour as solo acts.
Man, it’s pretty much every 90’s male group out here doing that and it’s sad.
HOW DO YOU KNOW.MANY OTHER GROUPS HAVE DONE IT OVER THE YEARS.NOT JUST THE TEMPTATIONS
I hear your point but look at the Temptations. David Ruffin, Eddie Kendrick, and Dennis Edwards all had successful solo careers but got other singers and toured as the Temptations until Otis Williams successfully won in court to prevent this from happening. Because of the egos involved I could see members of New Edition doing the same thing.
@@dsmiley1971 True. That's a good point but after all these years of me following New Edition (since Candy Girl) it's hard for me to picture any one of them doing that. Which member of New Edition do you think would be likely to start his own version of New Edition, hire new singers and tour?
Sheeeeit technically Bobby, Ronnie, Mike and Ricky (RBRM) did just that 😂 they may not have called it New Edition but they basically created a separate group (out of spite) excluding Johnny and Ralph.
Johnny has always will be fine af 🥰
I know I luv jonny gill mane he is one of my favorite on NE ! Is Johnny gill, Ronnie devoe and bobby brown that is my favorite in New edition but I like johnny more tho!
Switch hitter vibes...
I wonder if Vlad already asked Johnny Gill talking spicy that he could whoop Oscar DeLa Hoya & Charlie Murphy checked him?
I don't understand why he would buy something he wasn't originally apart of
Johnny Gill was his own solo artist before New Edition! NE asked Johnny to join the group when Bobby left. They never treated Johnny right while in the group.
@@JustMe-dn9fh I know who Johnny Gill is.I didn't know they mistreated him
Vlad stop asking questions & answering them BE QUIET
Pharcyde had that issue, one person owns the right to the name fucked over other members
Johnny and Ralph were wrong for that period. At the time I remember them both playing the victim. Wish they would have clued in their group members about them trade marking New Edition. Glad it’s all worked out though.
Vlad talks too dayum much ...he is not a good interviewer
Johnny is not even an original member so him buying the trademark is a NO for me. I understand Ralph who has been the lead man the entire duration. Johnny can have several seats. The only reason Johnny kept coming back to NE was because his solo career peaked quickly and he needed to pay the bills. Had he had Gerald Levert or Keith Sweat type success he would have left NE and LSG in the dust.
I agree
It doesn't matter if he's a original member or not. It's show BUSINESS. It's 95% business and 5% show. You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. When it comes down to business it doesn't matter "what you feel". The business is what it is. Whatever is on paper or NOT on paper is how this plays out. Simple as that.
He became a Member of NE because Ralph was going solo so some people of NE thought they need a new lead singer so it's not about that he needed money. Try to find the real reason why johnny became a Member instead of saying that he needed money.
JG doesn't seem to realize he is a STEP-BROTHER, not the same as the original guys. I know it hurts, but it's the truth
Exactly and when I think of New Edition I do not initially think of JG…. Not at all