Episode 52: 'Hawaiiki.....hiding in plain sight?'
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2021
- Join me, Justin Smith and his wife Ngawai on an adventure to find the (mythical??) island of Hawaiiki.
Was the original name for New Zealand, Ruterangi ?..if so where did the name Aotearoa come from? Find it all in this episode.
Hawaiiki : Fakarava, Raiatea ( Taputapuatea), Savai'i, Mangaia, Rarotonga.
Tuamaotu: Amanu. Ana'a, Takapoto, Katiu, Havaiki
Love your work mate, absolutely stoked to have a channel on RUclips dedicated to our history. It seems the information you’ve discovered and given us here through Justin lines up quite nicely with the information that my whānau have passed down over the years.
In terms of the question about Kupe, from our knowledge he was from Raiatea, as was my ancestor Wharemaru. Kupe’s waka has been debated but it’s safe to say the Tuamotuns wouldn’t know about Kupe because he was from Raiatea, but there were definitely more than one waka that traveled to the Ruterangi before the great migrations. The reason why the Tuamotuns knew about Ruterangi in the first place is because those waka came back and forward multiple times and described the lands (Ruterangi + tautau ) - rightfully identified as being burning and grumbling skies (would’ve been exciting for them to see) before the civil aggression drove big villages to migrate.
The waka that I derive from is Tahirirangi, captained by Wharemaru, the eldest son of the Ariki of Raiatea (Te Maru Ariki a Ka’ukura). After his father died he returned to Raiatea. The waka was then taken over by his cousin Te Ngake, or known to some other northern tribes as Ngahue, who was one of the men mentioned with Kupe in the first waves of migration. Kupe himself was the product of a Rarotonga father and a Raiatean mother both of noble lines.
It is argued that Kupe’s waka that he traveled on was his wife’s waka: Mataharua, though that is not my lineage so I cannot back that claim up.
Tika Tau! Ko ahau he kakano o
( Te Ngake ) ingoa only used for Ceremonial Purposes these days!
Wow! Fascinating! This makes me want to visit there one day!
That was absolutely fascinating ... thanks for posting, I love you channel ... it has awesome content : )
Thanks for watching!
Very interesting. It isn't surprising that each group from the Tuamotu islands only know the waka relevant to them.
This was very interesting. Would love to see more from Justin about this. Thanks for sharing.
2nd instalment ruclips.net/video/PT9EBGgA1ck/видео.html
So fantastic to learn about prominate people and places throughout NZ history, so thank you for sharing. I find history fascinating.
Kai Tahu scholars suggest that Takitimu waka was made of timber sourced around Tahiti. Voyagers came from much further east. Local people were included in the following voyage, maybe more like Waitaha. Piecing together the strands. DNA testing of first arrivals at the Wairau bar- many expected a connected whanau group. But the people tested were somewhat diverse. Waitaha, here in the south had whakapapa going back to 700 or 900 AD. But now many believe that these lines went back to original homeland[s] and that they had arrived around the 1250 mark.
What about the other story that says takitumu is also from Samoa or had connections tp Samoa? How do you connect that?
@@Remarema-we9qj Could easily be the same waka laying up in Samoa.
The takitumu Samoa was physically a different one form the Aotearoa one.
Another great episode, KC. Good stuff. Good collab with Justin.
Cheers Anthony, Justin is great to collaborate with!
Yes Absolutely Matua Justin, my whakapapa dates back to tahiti, Uenuku. Awesome research!
The Motu Raiatea or Rangiatea is the ancestral home of my ancestor NgatoroIrangi and as such has never been lost to us. We have known where it is and it's significance for all the generations my people have been here.
The Marae at TaputapuAtea is where the high priests and Chiefs would receive their Mantel shoulder Tattoo if they were of high enough status Ariki lineage. There is so much more that you have only touched on
Julian Wilcox does a nice Study on Nga Puhi & Mentioned TaputapuaAtea 📖
It is recorded quite clearly in the oral histories that different waka arrived at different times, from different Hawaiki. That there might have ever been just ONE would be a convenience, but really it goes against all the genealogies. There have perhaps always been multiple physical *Sawaiki/Hawaiki; particularly in the case of NZ, where different iwi came from very different parts of Te Moana Nui a Kiwa.
I am not well versed in the origins of Maori in NZ but am aware that heaps of canoes came from afar. The 7 waka mentioned by Teutanga were some of the major ones from which may Iwi trace their lineage back to.
Had the same experience on Fatu Hiva in the Marquesas. There was a German anthropologist there who was compiling a dictionary of the local dialect which he showed me. After viewing a couple of pages, I told him "I know this language - its Maori!"
The population of the Marquesas Islands is about 10,000 - far lower than Historical estimates which put the population at over 100,000. It is suggested that smallpox decimated the population but local legends speak of overpopulation inspiring Chiefs to order groups to leave the islands in large canoes. I was also intrigued by the many stone platforms - meeting places - which are called "Marae" on Huahine.
Fully support Justin's hypothesis.
Interesting. I enjoyed this. Something to think about.
I was talking to a kaitiaki of Marae Taputapuatea. He told me the Mataatua Waka was from Porapora(Borabora) in the region Fa'anui.
Hi Kiwi Codger as usual very nteresting. Have you got a copy of 'Tikao talks' by Herries Beattie ? It consists of interviews with Teone Taare Tikao the last Ngai tahu tohunga who died in 1927. There are some great stories in there about the multiple Hawaiiki's and also the wars which caused the migration south.
Nope, haven't read any of Beattie's stuff... I will add it to my list although the origins of Maori is not my major area of interest.
Ae tautoko tikao talks
Wow, incredible! Justin and Ngawai of Oakura Bay!
What an interesting episode. I also descend from Takitimu and would love to visit Amanu to have a look around
That clip on Amanu where they're saying we are Takitimu, and when asked about Tainui....Tainui, Tainui?? no don't know Tainui....its classic eh!
Ka pai ehoa. Te wairua kaha!
Origin's right there!
Before I see aku Tūpuna
I'll make a goal to visit their whenua.
Interesting. Ngaa mihi!
That was absolutely PHENOMENAL. Kapai Justin. When is episode 53 coming out? I can't wait.
Episode 53 was uploaded on Saturday night, here is the link ruclips.net/video/PT9EBGgA1ck/видео.html
Kia ora Codger and Justin absolutely awesome video
Hawaiki tautau is the name the ancient navigators of Rarotonga knew Aotearoa by. Thank you for helping us to 'meet' our relatives in the Tuamotu
Yes, I was looking at Percy Smith's book on Hawaiiki and saw in there that Hawaiki Tautau was what NZ was called in Rarotonga, fascinating. Teutanga uses that to refer to Tubuai in the Austral Islands. What does Tautau mean?
@@kiwicodger An aunty told me for the name Hawaiki tautau means the pulsing heart of Hawaiki, I've also heard it used on old recordings of chants from Rarotonga...Tautau on its own also has other meanings... to dangle, suspend or hang from a string (maybe like a fish on a line like the great fish of Maui), a type of pounamu pendant with a curved lower end, and other meanings that are not so relevant. It's been mentioned to me also that Hawaiki Tahutahu (burning) was a name used but I have not seen it written anywhere or been personally taught that name.
I remember reading about an ancient name for Tupuai, Raroata.
@@kiwicodger
Tautau could equal ta'uta'u or tahutahu
Think frying sizzling or burning.
Hawaiiki Burning ie volcanic still
This is awesome
great watch thank you for that
No problem 👍
Absolutely amazing how a chance couple of words has led to the establishment of a link in history and your latest excellent posting. Between 1963 and 1966 I learnt Maori carving from (dare I say) a fellow English pakeha who tutored groups of interested people. He would occasionally chat about the migratory patterns of Maori and I distinctly recall his mention that he had traced the migration from Tibet or Nepal through south-east Asia then into Micronesia and on to Polynesia with definite mention of Havaiiki. As I remember, he explained that Havaiiki was part of the Tahitian group of islands in French Polynesia. If time and resources are available you may care to venture even further back into pre-Polynesian days.
Cheers Onslow, knowledge comes from unusual sources, each bit part of the jigsaw puzzle of knowledge. Interesting about Tibet and India though.
Kia ora Onslow. I was told years ago by an esteemed local Maori Elder, Wallace Wihongi, that tpo his knowledge that "Hawaiiki Nui" is in the area of now French Polynesia, that "Hawaaiki Roa" is the area of South-East Asia (where Maori ancestors departed progressively eastwards from) , and that "Hawaiiki Pamamao" is the the Africas ( where all our ancestors originated from to spread to the four corners of this earth.) "Turou Hawaiiki!" :)
Amazing
I have heard that Kupe was born in Raiatea. Up the end of the river Fa'aroa. This story was told to Maisy Rika who had been there and shown by the tangat whenua. There was other korero that he may have lived in Tahitinui as well.
@Hold Fast yes. All the waka used to go to Raiatea for karakia. Raiatea is where all the High priests were in the day. A very sacred island.
Kura ora Meketoa. I suggest that you also review "kiwi Codger Episode 54" that talks about that dynamic . "Turou Havaiiki!" :) ruclips.net/video/4ccOLtvYyhk/видео.html
I came for a little nohi and watched 7 videos so far, exceptional mahi loved everyone one of them
A bit of binge watching does ya good! enjoy.
I whakapapa from Hape and my kaumatua have always told me He/we came from tahiti in 1123AD.
So you are saying that the Tainui canoe came down in 1123AD... could be...only oral history remains for this period.
Super sharing, thank you..
Thank you too
Mean ! Very interesting .
Thanks!
I noticed Te Arawa was written down and not the original name. It might seem irrelevant to everybody because of all the other coincidences here but my tūpuna were from Rangiatea, from their clothes to their rituals to their language and the culture was all Tahitian, Te ao Maori was something we developed in Aotearoa. I have heard in passing a bit about Tua Motu and its similarities and never really took it seriously. Thank you for posting and now I can understand why people spoke about it. This will put me on another interesting journey of learning.
Glad this has prompted you to cast your net again. Good luck with your journey
Tena koe "r pa". One of the confusing issues lies in how we use conventions to record oral sounds... that can lead to apparent confusions -that do not really lie in the original spoken reo. Although I can understand Tuamotuan Maori I can struggle to read old writings that do not follow NZ Maori conventions, and miss out punctuation and sound details. Hence 'tearava" for what we may know as "Te Arawa", etc. Knowledge can be further compounded after years of proud oral transmission that focuses on what someone passed on from what they were once told..and important pieces of a puzzle can get changed or "mislaid". Kia kaha ai tatou! :)
@@justinsmith143 nōku te hē e hoa, I was more referring to the original name of the Te Arawa waka "ngā rakau tapu mātahi pū a Atua Matua” in which I thought should be used by them instead of Te Arawa. In my eyes this was the name of the waka when it left Hawaiki Tawhiti Areare and Te Arawa should only be referred to once it arrived in Aotearoa, This would have made me pay more attention, simply because the original name was acknowledged. But Im too nosey not to go out and learn from a different pov to mine and also I’d like to thank you for your explanation. Kia ora
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Kura ora@@rpa3358 . Nga mihi rangatira ki a koe. It is good that we share our different understandings. It is interesting that on their list of the seven main vaka/waka that left their Island of Havaiiki/Hawaiiki/ Fakarawa that the name of "Te Arawa" was simply recorded as "tearava".. and yet on the Island of Ana'a the histories and records that amazing connection from them there to, Te Arawa here. Have you seen the great information that Kiwi Codger records in "Episode 53" about those Re Arawa/tearava connections? "Turou Havaiiki !" ruclips.net/video/PT9EBGgA1ck/видео.html
How about this bro..there is a tribe of people in south america and the caribean called 'Ta arawak' 'arawak' or 'arawa'.
Very very good :)
Thank you! Cheers Rick
These islands had been used by European voyagers as a base for collecting resources since 1190.AD. and were also grounds for integrating with pacific island exiles & slaves, the 1st European voyagers to happen by Aokealoa around 1498.AD were the Portuguese/Spanish whalers based in Tahiti who were following migrating whales and by 1504 the 1st group from Rarotonga (mataatua) were ferried in via new plymouth which became the colonial invaders preferred Port of Call
Source?
@@tommcg7564 'Telstra Broadband' to whom the nz national library began uploading the recorded documentation and attested accounts of Aboriginal & Pacific island immigrants 22 years ago.
@@kanakamakapalua6097 would you be able to cite an author, a book or do you have a link, im interested in your suggestion spanish whalers landed here in 1498 ad?
@@tommcg7564 Alohamai mate but you'll have to seek why the nz government from the early 90's decided to erase all spanish & portuguese shipping log history in & around Aokealoa.
@@kanakamakapalua6097 interesting it’s been wiped out. How convenient. How did you come across this info?
Tutawake is an ancestor of Te Whanau a Apanui..Takitimu had 7 names before the name it is now ..from Savaii in Samoa
Entertainment and interesting whakapapa
Justin e hoa! You are an adventurer. You are the living answer to Tuai's question 200 years ago "Ka Maoritia te Pakeha?" There's hope for us yet.
Ti hei wini wini
ti hei wana wana
ti hei ko te waitaki hua o Kupe.
How come when i found myself living in a small bay in southern Huahine, gardening and fishing, watching the sun go down over Taputapuatea in the west on Raiatea, that the locals didn't feel like the Maori back in Ruterangi? They were confused about me too: why would this young Pakeha guy want to be working the gardens. I told them my granddad was Maori and then they nodded and were no longer puzzled. I was asked more than once: why are you Maori so angry? They demonstrated their version of a 'classic' Maori haka. I thought, yeah, you guys are different from whanau back home. But this is the bay and the whenua that Kupe came from i was told. Wow. As we have spoken before, your travels have revealed the answer: the Tuamotus. I love it. All the Hawakiis. I'd even go further and say we all carry one in our hearts.
Interesting there is a researcher in Otago i think looking at connections between the Tuamotus and Central and South America. It gets me to wondering how strong the Toltec and Mayan influence was on the Tuamotus and whether that is one factor in what makes Maori a different flavour to the rest of the Pacific Island people. I imagine there'd be some people with knowledge of that.
I lived in Taiwan for 6 years and one of their iwi looked and sounded so similar to certain Samoan peoples, i was amazed. Then i spend several months in Tibet and was astonished, the people there felt and looked so Polynesian. There is some evidence to show very early migration from there to the Eastern Coast of China, then out into Taiwan and then on into the paddling pool of the Pacific.
It sure is rich... thanks for your generosity and lifeforce...
Te he Mauri ora!
You sound an interesting character like Justin. The Tuamotuans, especially those from Anaa were heavily into warfare. The people of Anaa had a special Warrior class that were not allowed to marry etc, talk about a fearsome opponent. The warfare and conflict that happened in the Tuamotu Islands was the reason for many of the migrations to NZ to escape it....but of course the same dynamics started occuring here. Someone needs to research the Tuamotu Islands more but they are pretty hard to access.
Tena koe e Philip. Ko te pono ko koe ko au, ko au ko koe, ko tatou ko tatou." Mauri ora ki a tatou katoa! :)
@@kiwicodger I heard from Justin about the Anaa influence. Anyone out there want to go and dive into this treasure chest in the Tuamotu Islands. I reckon many things will get clearer, including where we are going...
Cool
Wonderful to watch the amazing clips and interviews ...very proud of you Justin...My Bahai Brother ...always seeking the light .
Interesting theory. Of course during that period waka navigation was at a zenith and islands were closer then, Intermarriages occurred and geopolitical alliances were forged hence you get reoccurring stories, waka, tipuna throughout. I also wouldn’t rule out that these waka had namesakes and later waka named after them. Furthermore, of Aotearoa Maori and our own pure oral traditions, it is clear there are many waka, many origin points therefore many islanders made the journey here, in periods of waves. Mataatua (whose boundary is from the sea to Maungapohatu, and about Tauranga to Whangaparaoa, an area 10 times the size of Rarotonga)was one of the later arrivals to arrive beneath Kaputerangi, the pa of Toi, whose ancestor was Tiwakawaka, the grandson of Maui. The ariki were direct descendants coming home, bringing the kumara, which the original people Te Tini o Toi, Hapuoneone and Ngā Potiki had sort,after the arrival of strangers from the distant isle named Te Whākao, the brothers Hoaki and Taukata bore the kumara and a waka was made by the aborigines of these lands to gain the kumara which they did, aboard the Mataatua. Another layer - the ariki of Mataatua, Toroa, and Muriwai, Puhi, and their older brother Taneatua were also coming home. There father having previously visited Whakatane and it’s mountainous interior valleys (which teemed the multitudes of Potiki) and having a union with a chieftaness Wekanui, of original people, their mother, he returned to Hawaiki with his wife and son Taneatua, who was a youth, and who’s mother was from Hawaiki. That is why when the Mataatua returned, he was navigator, along with Tamakihikurangi, the chief of the original people.
However it’s an interesting theory Anaru proposes, I know the locals here in Mataatua rohe have already established ties with Akatokamanawa in Mauke who have the closest historical links, as Toroa, Muriwai and other characteristics are the same. When the ancestral house Mataatua was rebuilt a few years ago, a delegation of Mauke relatives attended
Kia ora Tom. What you have said appears to be correct as many confusions have arisen from passed on oral histories. Your great words perhaps misses out that the northern Ngapuhi areas of Aotearoa are also from Mataatua after Toroa's brother Puhi took/stole the canoe.. and headed north to reportedly settle the north, and to "bury Mataatua at Takao Bay". I understand that "Mataatua" made return trips to "Hawaiiki" including to get more Kumara -after the first kumara stocks did not survive. However that "Hawaiiki" could have been a different island of "Hawaiiki" such as Raiatea, and not the Tuamotuan Island of Havaiiki that the Tuamotuans say Mataatua left from. All bits of a beautiful puzzle. "Turou Havaiiki!" :)
Kia ora @@tommcg7564. I respect what you have been told. I live in a Ngapuhi area of Northland but I love the elders of Tuhoe who taught me much. I listen to the different Korero and oral records of Mataatua ..including a view from Tuhoe that Puhi "stole" their Mataatua waka, and a different Ngapuhi view that their ancester Puhi /Puhimoanariki just argued with his tuakana.. and then "took" the canoe Mataatua with his supporters to resettle elsewhere. We can argue details -that make some fascinating whaikorero jibes. What is more significant to me is now returning there and locating which Tuamotu Island their Mataatua actually left from, to travel to the nearby Island of Havaiiki/Fakarava, to then travel to Raiatea, and then down through the Cook Islands, to arrive here to resettle here. We were told in the Tuamotu Islands that "the people of Tuhoe came from the dialectal Island group known there as Tapuhoe"-which includes their Island of Havaiiki/Fakarava. Our ability to speak that same NZ Maori Tuhoe dialect there would indicate that as 100% true. "Turou Havaiiki!" :)
@@justinsmith143 they are entitled to their opinion. A lot of islands have differing opinions. Tuhoe, Ngati Awa, and everyone else back home in Mataatua have the same history. It’s only you Ngapuhi lot who have totally different korero, it’s fascinating and your a fascinating korero. I always feel there are so many versions up there it’s difficult to enlighten others what that is. Anyway, cheerio sailor!
Kura ora . I am not disagreeing with you@@tommcg7564 . The versions of history that you, I and others have are at best "bits of a greater puzzle". I remain blessed that my early learning took place under Te Rangihau, Timoti, Wharehuia, Hirini and such others. I will respectfully leave you with your own words that reflect your present believes that "everyone else in Mataatua have the same history". Others will say something different. What is significant is something simpler. Your tipuna were real people, who left on a real waka, from a real island that they regarded as "Hawaiiki". If you believe that "everyone else in Mataatua have the same history" then I simply ask you where do you think that Island of Hawaiiki is now? The Tuamotuan locals can tell you, and they wanted me to tell you that because they say their waka Mataatua did not return back there. Which Island is it Tom? :)
Kia ora @@tommcg7564. What do you think that means to the descendents of Puhi- who appear to be your closest of cousins? :)
Yes , more about the history of the east Pacific .
When saying the word 'Māori' try enunciating it as "Mouldy' soften the 'd' sound to achieve the tapped r or voiced alveolar tap.
Pākehā - Park air heart (drop the t sound)
Yes, will give it a try...sometimes I forget the long 'a' when reading my script as well, undoing habits takes concentration till new ones are formed.
@@kiwicodger yes it does take conscious effort until unconscious competence is attained. Like learning an instrument, ear training and muscle memory play a large part in mastering the sounds easily for second language learners of Te Reo Maori . All the sounds of Te Reo Maori are hidden in the New Zealand English accent but are encoded quite differently in paper. The trick is to reconnect neural pathways by first tricking them into producing the sound, then attaching them to the glyphs that represent those sounds.. the Māori long vowels can be written as
Ā - (ea) - heart
Ē - (ea) - head
Ī - (ea) - each
Ō - (au) -taught
Ū (ough) - through
so it's no wonder it can be confusing :)
@@kiwicodger the rhythm can be visualised a bit like morse code..
mana = • •
māna = ─ •
Tenakoe Toamaori. I really appreciate that you have also tried to constructively help another Pakeha better pronounce very important Maori words. Personally I would suggest that we assist understand the connected syllables and phonemes in a word like paa/kee/haa. For instance we have the words "par, care, and har" in English and I would personally suggest using "par-care-har" to assist others. However nou tonu te mana. Your care and consideration is gold and creates a real bridge. Nga mihi rangatira i tau awhinatanga ki tetahi atu. Paimarire! :) :)
@@justinsmith143 ngā mihi :)
Keep it up kiwi codger always looking forward to your vids
Thanks! Will do!
What relevance has “ Nu Tirani” in this discussion? Is it a version of “ Ruterani” ?
Kia ora Bill. "Nu Tirani" is one of the pakeha transliterations for the words "New Zealand-also known by others as Ruterangi/ Aotearoa/ Te Ika o Maui/ Strattenland/ Nouvelle Zealande and to some of us "Godzone" :)
No, Ruterani is just the name those from the Tuamotu Islands had for NZ. Nu Tirani is just a tranlation of New Zealand into Te Reo.
@@justinsmith143 hello sir how can I send you messages, I’m so interested in learning more I have a group of different young Polynesians that meet often and this has sparked up a lot of discussion, looking to add you & Ngawai to our discussions, we are learning Tuamotuan as well.
Having said that I am interested in their experience.
Matua Kiwi did early maori really come to ruterangi in the 12th century or was it earlier?
Its difficult to say, we have to really go from archaeology, and they show first signs of habitation around 1250. Who knows what will be unearthed in the future...
Waitaha were here before Maori. They brought the Karaka Tree and Kumara from South America via Easter Island. The Karaka Trees on Chatham Island that the Moriori (from Rarotonga) carved were introduced by Waitaha. moriori acknowledge people were here first. Waitaha migrated South to hunt Moa and settle. Follow the story of “Rata and Maui” and we hear a story of two Egyptian-Greek Explorers that came to NZ and left behind people to settle and their DNA. Then along comes Toi, Kupe, and other Māori migrants and the wars begin.
@@TheArtofMentalAlchemythere is no connection to Greece or Egypt.
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@@TheArtofMentalAlchemy moriori never made it to aotearoa they were on an island east of the main land. The first to discover was kupe from ra'iatea
Not every Iwi has a Kupe tradition, my iwi refer to navigator Ngahue as the first person who arrived
They arrived in the same journey cuzzie. Different waka captaincy but the same round of migrations. Both captains came back and forward from Hawaiiki before settling
Ngahue or ngake arrived alongside kupe but in their own separate waka.
Tangata Whenua !
Ruterangi/Ruterani/ NU TIRENI!!
👍
He mea tautoko mai TE mangai paho
Kupe and Maui were Egyptian navigators from 200 bc
I always knew people all over the pacific wer our family its obvious
Most matua have a narrative around origins. We all get olive, and learn...
The fact that they wondering where Kupe left from could possibly be from Rangiatea, leaving from tuamotu, they wouldv had to pass through Rangiatea then Kupe ciuldv possibly left first from there,
Many canoes, regardless of their origin. would visit Taputapuatea for blessings before setting off for Ruterangi.
Kura ora "Ora-in-Aotearoa". I also understand that "Kupe" was not from the Tuamotu Islands but was a later traveler from the Tahitian Islands. I was brought up to understand that Kupe was "the first Maori" to arrive here. However that does not seem accurate in relation to other histories which record four other Tuamotuan waka coming here well before Kupe, and following the star path set by the annual bird migrations. They apparently visited and researched, but did not settle here like Kupe later did, and they returned to the Tuamotu Islands via Taputapuatea Marae at Raiatea ... and shared with the local there was they had discovered. Just imagine their description of the two to three meter high moa/chickens living here! I suggest that you check of "Kiwi Codger Episode 54" that includes more of that dynamic. "Turou Havaiiki!" :) ruclips.net/video/4ccOLtvYyhk/видео.html
Does anyone see the different mixtures in these People? there's Portuguese, Spanish, Asian & I see Hindu in there as well to where the Austronesian line comes from....LmfBO:(
Austronesian: Indian, Papuan, Torres strait Islanders, Australian Aboriginals, Solomon islands, Fiji & Tonga who come under the Melanesian line.
Austronesian is a language family. The languages of India and Indigenous Australians aren’t Austronesian.
Kefe yo mama muli
the Roots
The Rangi Hiroa said that in his view Savaii in Samoa is Hawaii. As proof you have Tokelau in the North and Tonga in the South. No other place in the world has Tonga in the South and Tokelau in the North. We are navigators.
Thanks Arno but why would 'Tokelau in the North and Tonga in the South.' be proof? I was at Okoki Pa a few months back and paid my resoects to Rangi Hiroa whilst there.
I would agree to some degree Savai'i was an important place hence it has that significance. I refer to Rata or Laka the master boat builder of legend having history there and the larger trees needed for ocean going waka. However I also know that the Polynesian eye views the sunrise as Runga and the sunset as Raro. These words have far more significance in this story as I always thought Tumutevarovaro, Tahiti, Hiva etc were Hawaiiki Runga and Tonga, Samoa and Fiji were Hawaiiki Raro. This episode put that belief into question.
Kura ora @@tuelectricaltutor7736. It is good for us all to be detached enough to question what we may have been taught through oral history transference because knowledge and understandings can change. Otherwise we can misjudge the original connections to different korero tuku iho and the underlying truths. Ancestors departed the Samoan Islands as they travelled progressively eastwards..and so Savai'i was certainly an ancestral homeland, just as Raiatea became, and later on the Island of Havaiiki, (and now known often as Fakarava.) It can help as we learn and appreciate original Maori understandings such as where we go "Up" from the tip of the North island of New Zealand to the head of the great fish Te Ika a Maui (Kei runga) and the spirits depart from Nga wahi kei Raro-which is down at the tail on the fish at what we think is the "top of the island." This also affects the later understandings of the different ancestral islands that can be described as "Hawaiiki Runga "or "Hawaiiki Raro" depending where you now are. Mauri ora! :)
there all on islands they had to come from some were to
Kei te tika tenei korero.
Hawaiki pa Mamao - Kopa Cypress original home land.
Hawaiki Nui - Madagascar
Hawaiki Roa - Indonesia
lol stop it
The people of Madagascar and Indonesia are related to the people pacific, but aren’t likely the homeland of these people.
Hawaiki rasta - Jamaica 👀
Savai'i, Samoa.
My whakapapa goes back through Savai'i, visited there 38 years ago!
Nõ tūhoe ahau.
Tena koe Hohaia. Ata titiro kei te mahere o te rohe o Tapuhoe. No Tapuhoe ou maatua tupuna. :)
So còol!!
come on justine ! the kids at 'kohanga' will tell you Hawaiki nui Hawaiki roa Hawaiki pamamoa is a constellation of 3 stars in the 1st heaven and Aotearoa is the great Waka of the Gods turned to Stone, the south island. the north island has always been Whai Repo, the Stingray...
never heard that at kohanga
@@ppapalii8948 Which kohanga reo did you go to? It's as common as one day a taniwha
@@thellytholdtheathellth5278 Te kohanga reo o mataatua.
@@thellytholdtheathellth5278 Can't remember learning that storie. Doesn't matter now cause I'm old enough to understand the truth.
Kia ora Aaron. It is interesting what you claim in your "Kohanga reo knowledge". I suggest that you don't dismiss others' learning simply becauseit may appear different from what you may have "learnt" or have been told at your Kohanga Reo. We often hear those references to those different Hawaiiki in whaikorero. I was told years ago by an esteemed local Maori Elder, Wallace Wihongi, that to his knowledge that "Hawaiiki Nui" is in the area of now French Polynesia, that "Hawaaiki Roa" is the area of South-East Asia (where Maori ancestors departed progressively eastwards from) , and that "Hawaiiki Pamamao" is the the Africas ( where all our ancestors originated from to spread to the four corners of this earth.) "Turou Hawaiiki!" e kara :)
hawaikii was always mumbo jumbo
Hawaiki is definitely not an exact science, but hopefully there is still much to discover.
E hike ma..6th Feb 2023 183yrs since FRAUDULENT 1840 Co GOVT 's Theft MURDER Mercilessly forced upon INNOCENT Mana Motuhake Te Aotearoa...Ka Hura Uta Karane ma TAHERE No TAHEKE AITU TAKI ..Ae tika tau he korero ...NZ BATEMAN published & compiled an elaboration of "Historical " Statues compossed by Emeritus Professors namely Professor Bruce Briggs & Dr Ranginui Walker adjoins with a many other thesis of existentialism Te Honore Te Tiriti o Waitangi AKE AKE ake...Whakaminenga o Whakaputanga... RANGATIRA Te Manu Korero o Te Mana Whenua...Dedication my Tupuna Te Hura Rangatira Shackled by British forces too Mt Eden Penitentiary awaiting Death to be HUNG
Hey Justin, I'll leave it for you to get back to Abraham..."Rurea taitea kia tu ko tai kaka anake"
AMAZING how you say a Pakeha "discovered Raiatea as if theg were lost & dum to who they were 🤷🏽♀️ dude 🤦🏽♀️ and they tell him nog the other way round
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Don't listen to this
What are your reasons for saying this? I'd love to hear them.
You could at least pronounce kiaora properly
Kia ora BRKSGDMC. Kura ora hoki no nga motu o Tuamotu. Could it also be equally said that .."You could at least recognise anyone trying to pronounce Kia ora correctly?" :)
Kura ora BRKSGDMC. Could it also be equally said that it would be awesome if "you could at least appreciate those who try to pronounce "Kia ora!" properly- even if you have written that word "incorrectly"??? :) :)
Working with that monster mother Teresa does not help with credibility.
BOOM 💥 tuwhera whanui taku hinengaro🤯✨️🤌🏾
Also Kupe’s journey discovering New Zealand whilst battling an octopus or “Wheke” could be a mistranslation of the Tuamotu word “Veke” which means people who “commit an offense or misdeed, to disregard or fail to observe a tapu”
We could have misinterpreted this word, it makes more sense that Kupe’s fishing was being disrupted by Tuamotuans and he pursued them to kill them. As we know octopi skim along the ocean floor and not the surface, also Kupe is known to have spoken to the “Chief of the Octopus” before attempting to capture them which, in my mind, makes no sense at all.
Also the island was in a state of war at the time so it would make even more sense that it wasn’t a Wheke but rather a raiding neighbouring island
In Mangareva, a different dialect of Tuamotu Māori, the word Veke means “Keeping an object that you refuse to return to its owner; take something without permission” this could be another explanation as well
‘Teke’ is the other possible scenario which more often than not gets men into trouble and at times starts wars 😎
I wonder where Nukutawhiti and the Vaka Aotea and Matahaorua were from? If you are from the Tuamotu, you may know that “Nuku” is given to denote an island and “Tawhiti” is the Māori word for Tahiti. I suspect that Nukutawhiti or “the island of Tahiti” was not his real name and perhaps given to him after readzing the matahaorua in Tahiti. Just a theory