joeingram1 Hey Joey, it's clear you do some deep thinking about poker. I can follow what you are saying but you are probably flying over the head of 90% of your audience. I think if you touched on a few key points on each stage of the hand, your message would get absorbed in the minds of the audience much more, making your channel more addictive. I personally enjoy it.
Lol I feel so validated right now. I had a jack high flush and called a bet turn, river paired the top card and I bet the pot as a bluff, villain folded the nut flush face up, I showed and got called a donk by that table. I always thought my play made total sense but never had anyone confirm that (I don't play much PLO)
But why did you call the turn if you thought you were behind and then suddenly decide to bet the river as a bluff? That doesn't seem to make much sense.
I called the turn cause I have the third nuts, it's a pretty good hand, I generally have worse than that on most turns and I don't want to fold this much of my range when people bet turn. Just because I was calling for value on the turn doesn't mean I don't get to turn it into a bluff river when a card that is much better for my range than his hits the board.
Hm alright yea I'm not a PLO player and maybe it works a bit different there and am I wrong, but this is my thought about it: I understand the turncall and sure you can always turn your hand into a bluff later, but by donkbetting the river on a paired board to suddenly let him fold Q, K and A high flushes (because that's what you wanted to achieve right?) then it looks more like you floated the turn. He is not going to fold full houses and he will fold his pure bluffs, but you want to let him continue with the bluffhands and maybe let him think he can get some thin value from lower flushes. The only reason why I would think this is a good play is if you would think that he is the kind of player who would: A) bluff the turn, but almost never continues to bluff on the river (because then you could have earned more, but now they simply fold). B) Indeed almost never has any sets ont he turn or FH/quads on the river in his range. (because villain would have called or reraised and you lose your potbet). C) Almost never tries to get thin value from smaller flushes on that river (because then you could have earned more and now they will fold those). D) Folds his Q, K and A high flushes very often when you donkbet pot on the river. (I don't know how sure you were that villain would fold those). And what would you have done on the river, when the board wouldn't have paired?
I don't agree with your analysis, I think you assume that a lot of things can happen that just won't. I can't check call this river (I have one of the worst hands I can have, and he's ready to bet even though that card is so much better for my range than his so he should have a pretty strong hand). Nobody is going to value bet a smaller flush (imo most people won't value bet a better one either). It's really awkward for me to imagine a checking range on this board. The only hand that I wouldn't want to bet here would be an ace high flush, but I'm mostly going to raise the turn with that oop and so I rarely have it on this runout. If the board doesn't pair, I check and I have a tough decision against a bet. I think it's probably a fold against this player most of the time.
I have become enlightened by the GTO life! My best friend in poker and I follow your vids here and listen to your podcasts. He is a stereotypical NY asshat and now calls everybody "Papi" while I'm slowly working my bankroll up to play the closest 5-10 PLO game to me. As late as I am coming to the party, I want to increase my 51.47% edge in the great game of PLO to something closer to 55%. Can you get me there Chi-town Joey???
Joey. I don't like to comment but ur analysis the last few videos has expanded my thinking. great work please no more papi! you are gonna kill my win rate
I love this new series!! Do you coach? Broke and inspired by dougs challenge last summer i did my own 100$-->10k$ challenge I'm now up 40k and it's hard to get action on 5/10nl so I've been contemplating switching to PLO, but i really don't know who to learn from.
Lol at people saying don't talk about hypothetical hands and only the hand in the video. I want to learn how to play hands in all situations, not just one specific example. From someone bored with NLHE and wants to learn the great game, please continue with PLOker Hands!
just found your channel bud, that was a great diagnosis of that. i definitely want to get better, at the great game of pot limit Omaha. hope to watch a lot more of your videos like this.
OG content papi! The only other plo anilisis out there is a total snooze fest. Im stoked on getin better at plo. I love the game. Even tho I don't break even yet.
Also Ivey probably feels obliged to call because he knows that dwan knows he isnt checking a boat and maybe not even AJ, so Ivey probably thinks it looks like he has the king high straight a fair % of the time, and Ivey knows dwan is good enough to bluff him off the chop
I want to get better. I follow Nandez and you a lot. Unfortunately there are not too many free (cause I'm a cheep bastard) plo instructional videos and we have few live plo games here in east central Oklahoma where online poker is verbotten. Have been studying preflop 3 betting and calling a four bet (or five bet) from the various positions and some post flop leads and three bets on the turn. I have a bankroll of 25,000. Nandez, for sure is a winning player and I am surprised by his post flop aggression with merely top pair, top kicker and even with a lack of combo draws, for example. Anyway, thanks for your great plo videos.
i wanna get better joey...PLO Is Awsome!!!!!!!!!!!im new but enjoy the math and situations more than holdem nl...ur gonna be the king of podcast...i mean are..hahah
Hey joey, big fan of all your videos. I watch every single one. I was wondering.if u have time if u could potentially make a video on opening hand ranges at 6max plo. I'm newer to plo and haven't found any good guides to opening hand ranges and am unsure of many of the hands I should be opening. Obviously there are many hands that don't need to be talked about (the very good and very bad ones) but the ones in the middle are really tough for me to determine if I should open or not.. thanks for your time
Hey Harry. I'll write down that idea. You can check out something like Upswing Poker hand matrix for PLO. They also have the PLO lab that helps to break down opening hand ranges. I understand it can def be challenging to figure it all the fuck out. I usually would err on the side of passive until you get a better understanding.
It doesn't make sense that Dwan should bet his entire range and Ivey should "make a tight fold". Those two statements are contradictory, especially with such a small bet size.
His entire range is pretty small on the river and a big enough part of that range that calls turn will be beating him on the river to make it a fold to me but I could see merit for also calling.
Just a few notably observations. Not got any questions, unfortunately. __________________ PREFLOP First of all, it is very very important to remember that Jared Bleznick was defending much fewer hands from the BB (straddle whatever) than anyone else at the table. Not opening KJT5 (single suit) would be a mistake based on Jared's defending frequencies. I think, Dwan can more than justify opening KJT5 on this. Ignoring post flop ability of the player - post flop closeness of hot/cold equities. There wasn't much 3 betting, I would not narrow JT's away from Ivey's range. Online yes people are aggressive and clicking more buttons. Live everyone was calling to see flops way more often. Yes I get AJTx or KJTx (reasonable card of x) QJT9 JT98 ex.. online you could remove them. Live I think Ivey flats all of them a greater percentage of the time than 3 betting. The stack size of Dwan was 75BB. Meaning there is an SPR of 4 once the 3 bet goes in for Ivey. And an SPR of 1 if 4 bet (and the hands 3 bet with an ace probably have to fold). I am not sure the JT rundowns play too badly under a large SPR. The AJT(high card type hands) play well either way but if 4 bet. It kind of sucks because given frequencies of 3 betting - Aces become a significant proportion of Dwan's 4 betting range. Online probably can call but there was something nitty with the live preflop play so think it is an easy fold.
______________________ TURN BLUFFS FOR IVEY The one Bluff that makes a ton of sense on the turn is: AATX - With a multi-street bluff plan. With weak aces this could flat at 100BB. But I do not see it Vs Dwan's loose button range at 75BB - I just do not think this would need to be flatted pre. If he has this hand this the mandatory bluff. Yeah, I agree what the hell is Ivey bluffing the turn with. There isn't many normal bluffs Ivey can have on the turn. Unless he continues with AT which seems, a little suicidal. I agree. I guess two pair will fold to a pot sized bet so if this is the case he could continue with AT. But Dwan so often has a straight here. It seems a little ambitious. And -EV. The following all bluff flop and probably turn. JJ77/JJ66/JJ55/JJ44/JJ33/JJ22/ JJ89/ JJ double suited with two cards below a 8 could be some. But there isn't many JJ hands. Sick bluffs would be TT that bet the flop. On the turn these could be turned into a bluff representing a straight. Probably bluffing the river. Continuing with ATTX makes a lot of sense and is a fun bluffing combo. If Dwan thinks Ivey is polar (doesn't have hands with equity against a straight) the is never raising. Which has merit to realising your equity. Ivey could rep the AJ on a brick and try and get straights / sets to fold when Durr calls. And I think with ATTX Ivey can check any boat because it just is not credible and a good spot for Durr to bluff. It is a not a normal bluff, but I think a set of tens with an A blocker is a very good hand to turn into a bluff. Especially on a Ten. That would have plenty of merit. ___________________ Ivey should definitely size smaller on the turn based on the amount of combos he wants to be bluffing with, in my view. And being able to value bet the K high straight comfortably. I would not know what to do after potting a king high straight. I suppose he could have mixed strategy. And have bluffs and AJ he pots. But not all AJs and have a smaller size with AJ and JT some non zero % of the time. Then Ivey could be double spilting his range. On the flop into JT and bluffs - on the turn into the bluff on the flop of AJ and current nuts. This would work since Ivey doesn't have that many bluffs, in his range. And that would balance it but it is a complicated strategy. And if he is betting pot with the K high straight I do not like Ivey's play. Although it's Phil Ivey so what do I know :)
I dont understand whats wrong with the preflop play? KJTx with a king high suit is definitely playable from the button and AJ96 witha nut suit is an easy defend with the Ace high suit
Would funny to do a razz series because it would be so dry. For analysis you would just be running pro-poker tools and inputting ranges. Here if we catch bad we are out. Here if we catch good we continue. That would be pretty dull analysis.
I'm sorry but I don't see how your river line isn't contradictory. You say that Tom has to jam basically his entire range on the river since Phil doesn't have boats in his range, but isn't it the opposite? If Phil doesn't have boats in his range as played, and Tom bets 40k into 60k, to be unexploitable Phil has to call the top 29% of his range - and since apparently he doesn't have boats there ace-jack IS the top of his range. Especially since Tom (according to you) has hands like naked J or J10 here, how can you say that Tom should be jamming his entire range but Phil shouldn't be calling the top of his? Since you called it PLOker Hands I'm curious to know why Mr. Polk's advice on river bets/calls doesn't apply as above. Thank you for the video by the way - would like to see more PLO.
Can you talk more about what you should do on flop and turn with your range, because you are saying that Ivey's bet on flop and turn is unbalanced. So how would you make it balanced. Love your work. Keep up PLOker hands! You're making great videos! PS I want to get better at GGoPLO
I don't have a super solid leading gameplan on the flop vs really good opponents when playing the blinds in a HU pot. Multi-way that might change a bit but overall I think that most people are going to make big mistakes against really good opponents by not being aware of the way they split their ranges up on the flop/turn when using a leading strategy on the flop. With that said, I don't have a good answer that I can go off from personal experience.
Mastering Pot-Limit Omaha: The Modern Aggressive Approach - I would say is better. Jeff Hwang book seem'd to be a little bit too orientated around deep staked play and drawing to the nuts. It is relevant but I felt the highly conservative game style of the book was a little outdated. It often would make reference to being +EV to fold the nuts because of the possibility of being freerolled. And the way pots compound. While this is true and need to know when a drawing hand may be a favourite. When you do not want to get in the nuts. And sometimes you may want to just call. Often the SPR dictates in today's games to not ever just call with the nuts. And often being scared with AK98 on a T76 flop with two spades of a dominating wrap and current nuts or dominating flush and current nuts. Is not the way to go. Maybe it is in Bobby's room when there is a lack of 3 betting and people play super deep-stack with massive SPR(s). Whereby when pots are huge they are 1000 BB + and you do never want to be free rolled deep and you want to be the one freerolling. When often two players can flop the same hand one with a better draw. This is much more relevant to pots with huge SPR's. It had some very interesting points and I think it is the best style at a low stakes (where the rake is high) and you are mostly making money through being paid off with the best hand and making the nuts. But found the book annoying in the fact that it seem'd to analyse every hand with I hate this hand because of this situation. Yes, I get it the underfull is not a fun PLO hand and bottom set is shitty (and we do not want to play for stacks). But meh was a good read. WAY MORE RELEVANT AT DEEP STACKED TABLES without preflop 3/4/5 betting. Today's games are way more aggressive, especially once you climb. Mastering Pot-Limit Omaha: The Modern Aggressive Approach - I would say was the preflop nuts flopping the monkey-nuts. With a redraw to the coconuts.
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had top and bottom pr on flop chk call flop turn brings me a queen high flush draw with a straight draw as well. I figured he has nut straight. Is it worth calling off on turn with my outs there? already had half or a little less than half if the pot felt I was committed. I river flush and get obviously berated for my play which I felt was questionable. But felt right
Depends on what odds you was getting and your equity Vs his range. If you had half your own stack in the pot you was getting a minimum of 4/1 HU - so yeah - need to call. The odds of hitting is higher than this. You are better jamming the flop, if he was short - he shouldn't be bet folding a pair by the sound of it. Needing not much equity to call Vs your range. When you get to a small SPR either decide is this a flop, I am going with or not. Do not enter trap city. Anything has significant equity in PLO at short SPR(s).
I want to get better at PLO! I think i suck as I am super tight preflop in the live 9 max games. I also get into weird situations with nut draws facing a range that I know is the nuts or close to on any street. Please help! Your biggest fan!
Lol at your comments on the preflop play. I dont really get it, is it a troll? Both the open and the BB-flat are super standard. Dwans hand is a CO-open unless u have a really tough line up behind. postflop analysis is good although u beat around the bush 2 much imho.
I wouldn't teach new players to always open hands like this with 60BB when they are starting off. I think it will blend together with other similar hands and make it challenging to understand.
Is Dwan known as a PLO fish at this time? Don't like how he plays this at all. Ivey always has AJXX.... Don't like the turn lead either but what do I know.... just a horribly played hand imo
I think, Dwan had the Isildur issue of playing too wide of range that isn't profitable. He can try to overcome the equity/post flop playability disadvantage - I think he is a very good PLO hand reader. But just got his frequencies wrong since his range is too wide. Maybe I am wrong though. He must of improved because the Durr challenge included PLO or Holdem and was anyone but Galfond.
Lol, plo is a good game but the reality is(especially online), plo's a fish fest. No hands ever good, dirty coolers left n right. Definitely a fun game though.
Absolutely loveeeee this game and grind this consistently but buddy Joe, cmon man gotta be a little more precise and succinct. Cant just talk and talk non strategy stuff, its not a podcast. I hate skipping forward because there is so much good stuff in these videos but i lose attention when you're stuck repeating how great this game is....I LOVEEE THIS GAME!!
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Fuck yeah I love PLOker Hands!!
no harry and his dream machine in the background though :(
Doug Polk Poker you should review hands and call them polker hands. oh wait
to much details n in depth.. audience losing focus n mostly fast forwarding ...
I think I should call this series PLOker Hands!!!!
I second this.
your meme game is out of control papi
joeingram1 Hey Joey, it's clear you do some deep thinking about poker. I can follow what you are saying but you are probably flying over the head of 90% of your audience. I think if you touched on a few key points on each stage of the hand, your message would get absorbed in the minds of the audience much more, making your channel more addictive. I personally enjoy it.
you should call this series 'Pot limit Joemaha'
lmfao
Dude. So good!
PLOker sounds way less good now.
how is there not 100 likes on this comment ?
Keyan martin its probably too clever
papi loved it so beyond that its all gravy tbh
Watching these videos make me realize that 'm not smart enough for PLO.
Cheers Papi!
Great to hear, thanks for the shoutout.
Appreciate the videos - love hearing your analysis of the great game as always :).
Lol I feel so validated right now. I had a jack high flush and called a bet turn, river paired the top card and I bet the pot as a bluff, villain folded the nut flush face up, I showed and got called a donk by that table. I always thought my play made total sense but never had anyone confirm that (I don't play much PLO)
:D :D :D :D Indirectly GTO
Also it is something I talked about near the end in a way :D
But why did you call the turn if you thought you were behind and then suddenly decide to bet the river as a bluff? That doesn't seem to make much sense.
I called the turn cause I have the third nuts, it's a pretty good hand, I generally have worse than that on most turns and I don't want to fold this much of my range when people bet turn. Just because I was calling for value on the turn doesn't mean I don't get to turn it into a bluff river when a card that is much better for my range than his hits the board.
Hm alright yea I'm not a PLO player and maybe it works a bit different there and am I wrong, but this is my thought about it:
I understand the turncall and sure you can always turn your hand into a bluff later, but by donkbetting the river on a paired board to suddenly let him fold Q, K and A high flushes (because that's what you wanted to achieve right?) then it looks more like you floated the turn.
He is not going to fold full houses and he will fold his pure bluffs, but you want to let him continue with the bluffhands and maybe let him think he can get some thin value from lower flushes.
The only reason why I would think this is a good play is if you would think that he is the kind of player who would:
A) bluff the turn, but almost never continues to bluff on the river (because then you could have earned more, but now they simply fold).
B) Indeed almost never has any sets ont he turn or FH/quads on the river in his range. (because villain would have called or reraised and you lose your potbet).
C) Almost never tries to get thin value from smaller flushes on that river (because then you could have earned more and now they will fold those).
D) Folds his Q, K and A high flushes very often when you donkbet pot on the river. (I don't know how sure you were that villain would fold those).
And what would you have done on the river, when the board wouldn't have paired?
I don't agree with your analysis, I think you assume that a lot of things can happen that just won't. I can't check call this river (I have one of the worst hands I can have, and he's ready to bet even though that card is so much better for my range than his so he should have a pretty strong hand). Nobody is going to value bet a smaller flush (imo most people won't value bet a better one either). It's really awkward for me to imagine a checking range on this board. The only hand that I wouldn't want to bet here would be an ace high flush, but I'm mostly going to raise the turn with that oop and so I rarely have it on this runout.
If the board doesn't pair, I check and I have a tough decision against a bet. I think it's probably a fold against this player most of the time.
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"Patrick, would you say you're the most aggressive player at the table???" "Who cares. I'm losing."
Every time i have a losing session in PLO (live) its from bad (hero) river calls. Thanks man, great video. :)
I have become enlightened by the GTO life! My best friend in poker and I follow your vids here and listen to your podcasts. He is a stereotypical NY asshat and now calls everybody "Papi" while I'm slowly working my bankroll up to play the closest 5-10 PLO game to me. As late as I am coming to the party, I want to increase my 51.47% edge in the great game of PLO to something closer to 55%. Can you get me there Chi-town Joey???
The flop, turn , river, next hand links are a pretty handy. Noice.
Tnx to you i have found the great game of PLO. And tnx to your PLOker Hand series I realize how bad i am. I have to and I will put the work.
Love the content, Joey. I played with you at aria last summer and felt like the spot. would love to improve and fight back next year!
more of these videos im working hard on my plo game and these videos def help thanks papi!
if gabe kaplan was commenting this game plo would be so much bigger this days
great video! please keep them coming
this vid is so meta, nobody is ready lol. Well explained sir
Joey. I don't like to comment but ur analysis the last few videos has expanded my thinking. great work please no more papi! you are gonna kill my win rate
DWan has been listening to "yayo" on repeat 24/7. that is how to win at poker. if you aren't listening to yayo thats a no no.
Ma man, u do made my game better and a brazilian guy is looking forward for new content like this, just AWESOME ! VAMOOO
I love this new series!! Do you coach?
Broke and inspired by dougs challenge last summer i did my own 100$-->10k$ challenge I'm now up 40k and it's hard to get action on 5/10nl so I've been contemplating switching to PLO, but i really don't know who to learn from.
Lol at people saying don't talk about hypothetical hands and only the hand in the video. I want to learn how to play hands in all situations, not just one specific example. From someone bored with NLHE and wants to learn the great game, please continue with PLOker Hands!
Hey Joe I love your PLO Ploker hands! Great analysis. Shout to out the GREAT GAME of PLO. Truly yours, a PLO bad reg that wanna get better ! :D
Looking forward to more of these types of videos. Great job
just found your channel bud, that was a great diagnosis of that. i definitely want to get better, at the great game of pot limit Omaha. hope to watch a lot more of your videos like this.
Started playing because of your vids. the games alot of fun. teach us more!
I disagree with the people who say this video is to long. RUclips algorithms like longer vids and Joe could have made this 2 hours long.
OG content papi! The only other plo anilisis out there is a total snooze fest. Im stoked on getin better at plo. I love the game. Even tho I don't break even yet.
The great analysis of PLOker hands :) *I want to get better at PLO*
great video mate thx for the upload
Man I thought the big build up to an important concept was going to lead to the backdoor quad draw or fh draw that Tom binked
Pretty hard for Dwan to have a bluff apart from some AKxx hand that somehow called the turn or maybe a QT/Q9 hand that doesnt have a straight
Also Ivey probably feels obliged to call because he knows that dwan knows he isnt checking a boat and maybe not even AJ, so Ivey probably thinks it looks like he has the king high straight a fair % of the time, and Ivey knows dwan is good enough to bluff him off the chop
I want to get better. I follow Nandez and you a lot. Unfortunately there are not too many free (cause I'm a cheep bastard) plo instructional videos and we have few live plo games here in east central Oklahoma where online poker is verbotten. Have been studying preflop 3 betting and calling a four bet (or five bet) from the various positions and some post flop leads and three bets on the turn. I have a bankroll of 25,000. Nandez, for sure is a winning player and I am surprised by his post flop aggression with merely top pair, top kicker and even with a lack of combo draws, for example. Anyway, thanks for your great plo videos.
i wanna get better joey...PLO Is Awsome!!!!!!!!!!!im new but enjoy the math and situations more than holdem nl...ur gonna be the king of podcast...i mean are..hahah
21 minutes on one single hand is too long. 12-15 minutes max. PLO's a great game though.
dude that is a classy end to a video, props
Ive never seen Phil Helmuth win nor Ivey bite the hook on youtube.
Hey joey, big fan of all your videos. I watch every single one. I was wondering.if u have time if u could potentially make a video on opening hand ranges at 6max plo. I'm newer to plo and haven't found any good guides to opening hand ranges and am unsure of many of the hands I should be opening. Obviously there are many hands that don't need to be talked about (the very good and very bad ones) but the ones in the middle are really tough for me to determine if I should open or not.. thanks for your time
Hey Harry. I'll write down that idea. You can check out something like Upswing Poker hand matrix for PLO. They also have the PLO lab that helps to break down opening hand ranges. I understand it can def be challenging to figure it all the fuck out. I usually would err on the side of passive until you get a better understanding.
No one loves the game more than Joey
It doesn't make sense that Dwan should bet his entire range and Ivey should "make a tight fold". Those two statements are contradictory, especially with such a small bet size.
His entire range is pretty small on the river and a big enough part of that range that calls turn will be beating him on the river to make it a fold to me but I could see merit for also calling.
joeingram1 Ah, I see what you mean. I stand corrected. :)
Just a few notably observations. Not got any questions, unfortunately.
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PREFLOP
First of all, it is very very important to remember that Jared Bleznick was defending much fewer hands from the BB (straddle whatever) than anyone else at the table. Not opening KJT5 (single suit) would be a mistake based on Jared's defending frequencies.
I think, Dwan can more than justify opening KJT5 on this. Ignoring post flop ability of the player - post flop closeness of hot/cold equities.
There wasn't much 3 betting, I would not narrow JT's away from Ivey's range. Online yes people are aggressive and clicking more buttons. Live everyone was calling to see flops way more often. Yes I get AJTx or KJTx (reasonable card of x) QJT9 JT98 ex.. online you could remove them. Live I think Ivey flats all of them a greater percentage of the time than 3 betting.
The stack size of Dwan was 75BB. Meaning there is an SPR of 4 once the 3 bet goes in for Ivey. And an SPR of 1 if 4 bet (and the hands 3 bet with an ace probably have to fold).
I am not sure the JT rundowns play too badly under a large SPR. The AJT(high card type hands) play well either way but if 4 bet. It kind of sucks because given frequencies of 3 betting - Aces become a significant proportion of Dwan's 4 betting range. Online probably can call but there was something nitty with the live preflop play so think it is an easy fold.
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TURN BLUFFS FOR IVEY
The one Bluff that makes a ton of sense on the turn is:
AATX - With a multi-street bluff plan. With weak aces this could flat at 100BB. But I do not see it Vs Dwan's loose button range at 75BB - I just do not think this would need to be flatted pre. If he has this hand this the mandatory bluff.
Yeah, I agree what the hell is Ivey bluffing the turn with. There isn't many normal bluffs Ivey can have on the turn. Unless he continues with AT which seems, a little suicidal. I agree.
I guess two pair will fold to a pot sized bet so if this is the case he could continue with AT. But Dwan so often has a straight here. It seems a little ambitious. And -EV.
The following all bluff flop and probably turn.
JJ77/JJ66/JJ55/JJ44/JJ33/JJ22/ JJ89/ JJ double suited with two cards below a 8 could be some. But there isn't many JJ hands.
Sick bluffs would be TT that bet the flop. On the turn these could be turned into a bluff representing a straight. Probably bluffing the river.
Continuing with ATTX makes a lot of sense and is a fun bluffing combo. If Dwan thinks Ivey is polar (doesn't have hands with equity against a straight) the is never raising. Which has merit to realising your equity. Ivey could rep the AJ on a brick and try and get straights / sets to fold when Durr calls.
And I think with ATTX Ivey can check any boat because it just is not credible and a good spot for Durr to bluff.
It is a not a normal bluff, but I think a set of tens with an A blocker is a very good hand to turn into a bluff. Especially on a Ten.
That would have plenty of merit.
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Ivey should definitely size smaller on the turn based on the amount of combos he wants to be bluffing with, in my view. And being able to value bet the K high straight comfortably.
I would not know what to do after potting a king high straight.
I suppose he could have mixed strategy. And have bluffs and AJ he pots. But not all AJs and have a smaller size with AJ and JT some non zero % of the time. Then Ivey could be double spilting his range. On the flop into JT and bluffs - on the turn into the bluff on the flop of AJ and current nuts. This would work since Ivey doesn't have that many bluffs, in his range. And that would balance it but it is a complicated strategy.
And if he is betting pot with the K high straight I do not like Ivey's play.
Although it's Phil Ivey so what do I know :)
Love the analysis, let the haters know you are going to talk so they can take s walk!
I love this great game! I am learning and want to learn more!
What account was Bleznick playing from in this game?
I dont understand whats wrong with the preflop play? KJTx with a king high suit is definitely playable from the button and AJ96 witha nut suit is an easy defend with the Ace high suit
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Is this razz?
Yes Razz Hands
seems like a great game
Would funny to do a razz series because it would be so dry.
For analysis you would just be running pro-poker tools and inputting ranges. Here if we catch bad we are out. Here if we catch good we continue. That would be pretty dull analysis.
I'm sorry but I don't see how your river line isn't contradictory. You say that Tom has to jam basically his entire range on the river since Phil doesn't have boats in his range, but isn't it the opposite? If Phil doesn't have boats in his range as played, and Tom bets 40k into 60k, to be unexploitable Phil has to call the top 29% of his range - and since apparently he doesn't have boats there ace-jack IS the top of his range. Especially since Tom (according to you) has hands like naked J or J10 here, how can you say that Tom should be jamming his entire range but Phil shouldn't be calling the top of his? Since you called it PLOker Hands I'm curious to know why Mr. Polk's advice on river bets/calls doesn't apply as above. Thank you for the video by the way - would like to see more PLO.
Can you talk more about what you should do on flop and turn with your range, because you are saying that Ivey's bet on flop and turn is unbalanced. So how would you make it balanced. Love your work. Keep up PLOker hands! You're making great videos!
PS I want to get better at GGoPLO
I don't have a super solid leading gameplan on the flop vs really good opponents when playing the blinds in a HU pot. Multi-way that might change a bit but overall I think that most people are going to make big mistakes against really good opponents by not being aware of the way they split their ranges up on the flop/turn when using a leading strategy on the flop. With that said, I don't have a good answer that I can go off from personal experience.
so would you lead any way? or x/decide?
so would you lead any way? or x/decide?
I thought the analysis was headed towards having to call with AJxx top straight from the way you were talking on the River here Papi!
He is called Phil Ivey, not Will Ivey....
has Any1 had that problem where you subscribe to papi and then have to subscribe again the next week ? weird stuff
you have a typo in the bottom right, it's spelled "Poker" , not "PLOker".
I want to get better at PLO. I have been running so bad I went back to hold em altogether. I would love some real advice
Evan Miller just look your ev line
I call clock dealer, I can't believe how long you are talking.
What do you think about the Jeff Hwang book series on PLO?
Mastering Pot-Limit Omaha: The Modern Aggressive Approach - I would say is better.
Jeff Hwang book seem'd to be a little bit too orientated around deep staked play and drawing to the nuts. It is relevant but I felt the highly conservative game style of the book was a little outdated.
It often would make reference to being +EV to fold the nuts because of the possibility of being freerolled. And the way pots compound. While this is true and need to know when a drawing hand may be a favourite. When you do not want to get in the nuts. And sometimes you may want to just call.
Often the SPR dictates in today's games to not ever just call with the nuts. And often being scared with AK98 on a T76 flop with two spades of a dominating wrap and current nuts or dominating flush and current nuts.
Is not the way to go.
Maybe it is in Bobby's room when there is a lack of 3 betting and people play super deep-stack with massive SPR(s). Whereby when pots are huge they are 1000 BB + and you do never want to be free rolled deep and you want to be the one freerolling. When often two players can flop the same hand one with a better draw. This is much more relevant to pots with huge SPR's.
It had some very interesting points and I think it is the best style at a low stakes (where the rake is high) and you are mostly making money through being paid off with the best hand and making the nuts. But found the book annoying in the fact that it seem'd to analyse every hand with I hate this hand because of this situation. Yes, I get it the underfull is not a fun PLO hand and bottom set is shitty (and we do not want to play for stacks). But meh was a good read. WAY MORE RELEVANT AT DEEP STACKED TABLES without preflop 3/4/5 betting. Today's games are way more aggressive, especially once you climb.
Mastering Pot-Limit Omaha: The Modern Aggressive Approach - I would say was the preflop nuts flopping the monkey-nuts. With a redraw to the coconuts.
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keep up the great work papi this is 1 of the best content online to hype up the PLO game and let more people play
if multi way Dwan should always raise the flop right?
U r the best. Pupi
Haha gotta love the hot and cold equities
i made it to "i appreciate the ppl that made it this far in the video" then simultaneously exited the video but had to click back
more of this joey boyyyy
had top and bottom pr on flop chk call flop turn brings me a queen high flush draw with a straight draw as well. I figured he has nut straight. Is it worth calling off on turn with my outs there? already had half or a little less than half if the pot felt I was committed. I river flush and get obviously berated for my play which I felt was questionable. But felt right
Depends on what odds you was getting and your equity Vs his range. If you had half your own stack in the pot you was getting a minimum of 4/1 HU - so yeah - need to call. The odds of hitting is higher than this.
You are better jamming the flop, if he was short - he shouldn't be bet folding a pair by the sound of it. Needing not much equity to call Vs your range.
When you get to a small SPR either decide is this a flop, I am going with or not. Do not enter trap city. Anything has significant equity in PLO at short SPR(s).
I want to get better at PLO! I think i suck as I am super tight preflop in the live 9 max games. I also get into weird situations with nut draws facing a range that I know is the nuts or close to on any street. Please help! Your biggest fan!
Buen vídeo Joe !
21min for 1 hand??? jez way too milk it son
yep would be nice to get better
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Lol at your comments on the preflop play. I dont really get it, is it a troll? Both the open and the BB-flat are super standard. Dwans hand is a CO-open unless u have a really tough line up behind.
postflop analysis is good although u beat around the bush 2 much imho.
Super standard for really good players maybe but shouldn't be super standard for average or below average players.
KJT5ss ranks around the 30th percentile, so how is this not a standard BU-open? For the BB-defend I could agree, as the BU-open is 6BB.
I wouldn't teach new players to always open hands like this with 60BB when they are starting off. I think it will blend together with other similar hands and make it challenging to understand.
first time watching you bro, your fucking awesome.
So am I allowed to donk again?
I wouldn't :D
awesome vid
Boy Joey says a whole lot while saying nothing at all
the GREAT game!
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Is Dwan known as a PLO fish at this time? Don't like how he plays this at all. Ivey always has AJXX.... Don't like the turn lead either but what do I know.... just a horribly played hand imo
I think, Dwan had the Isildur issue of playing too wide of range that isn't profitable. He can try to overcome the equity/post flop playability disadvantage - I think he is a very good PLO hand reader. But just got his frequencies wrong since his range is too wide.
Maybe I am wrong though. He must of improved because the Durr challenge included PLO or Holdem and was anyone but Galfond.
Much love Papi
Lol, plo is a good game but the reality is(especially online), plo's a fish fest. No hands ever good, dirty coolers left n right. Definitely a fun game though.
Absolutely loveeeee this game and grind this consistently but buddy Joe, cmon man gotta be a little more precise and succinct. Cant just talk and talk non strategy stuff, its not a podcast. I hate skipping forward because there is so much good stuff in these videos but i lose attention when you're stuck repeating how great this game is....I LOVEEE THIS GAME!!
Sorry papi, it happens.
It takes a max of a few seconds when I say the great game, and I will say it more and more in the future
Ever play PLO8?
No :D
why not 5 card draw hands? 5 cards instead of 4!
OMG no way
Its spelled poker not PLOker ppffffffffffff come on Papi
You have to cut down on ur 'and' man...!! grt video... !! learning PLO.. Its really big in India..!
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wtf is up with the thumbnail. 110,000,000 in what currency?
We are paying homage to Japan Blake. It is Yen
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I see lol I'm new to your channel so thanks for filling me in. Keep it up though! Also, PLOker hands is an extremely good pun, cheers
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great stuff. wanna be better. Playing for 2 weeks, still fucking Bad:-)
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if you could marry PLO i reckon you would haha
Too much commentary ..If you're so great why dont i see you on TV