I do love that in these videos, Wesk takes the time to teach not just the people in the duty with him, but also us. I never knew about the thing with the Myrmidion Marshal (or how to do Ramuh Extreme)
In my personal experience with mentors having met 1000s of of them, most mentors seem to genuinely care about new players and for the most part, my interactions with mentors have been positive or not remarkable enough to remember. The only negative interactions I've had have been a mentor giving bad/confusing advice about how to play Astro (they didn't know how new astro worked and apologized) and a mentor that got mad at a level 60 Dark knight for not understanding a mechanic (the mentor left the duty). With 1000s of interactions with mentors, only 2 of them being negative is a pretty good ratio.
I think my best compliment I've received in ffxiv was when someone told me at the end of a dungeon, "yours is not a burger king crown" (a negative implication nickname for the mentor crown). I had helped with advice / etc in a dungeon, though i can't recall which dungeon anymore. Good series, let's go.
"Good Mentors stay silent" Last night, I got queued into Cruise Chaser Normal, I'm with 3 mentors and 4 sprouts. We wiped 3 times, and the mentors stayed silent. Me and another sprout ( I'm positive that was an alt) gave advice and i got 3/7 comms.
You are a braver & better man than I. Your rant in the first part of the video is exactly why I've never bothered doing or even unlocking mentor roulette despite being a battle mentor (I'm also one of the ones who turns the crown off). I mostly play after work, and most of the time I just don't have the spoons to deal with vitriolic reactions to advice. So good on you for doing what you do for this community because I can't. I hope you keep it up. 🙂👍
15:15 People who emote to leave just gets instablocked. They're so corny for that. I don't even know at this point. You're a Dark Knight in Toto Rak where AOEs clear this dungeon like no other business. You have an ultimate weapon. This should just be another day in the office. This was my biggest takeaway from this.
Thank you for the rant in the beginning. I have been a mentor for a couple of years now, and the mentor hate is real. I have met so many good mentors that have taken their crown off because they do not want to deal with it. On times I encounter the hate - especially when there have been multiple instances in relative short span of time - I seriously also consider taking the crown off and if it is just not worth having it. People seem to think that I think the crown makes me somehow special and more important than them. It does not. I am no different from everyone else, the crown just means I want to help, and give advice to people where needed. The real question is why I still do continue being a mentor and suffer the occasional anguish it brings along with it. It is because when someone wants to listen and ask questions it is just infinitely satisfying to know you have helped their path along in Eorzea. On that note I want to thank you for your effort in making all your guide videos. Your First Day -series and job guides helped me along immensely during my time as new player during the Shadowbringers era, and especially the Your First Day series is something I often link to new players still when they need a more in depth look on all the options they have in this game.
I want to say a huge thank you for not just this series, but all of your videos. I got my mentor crown a month or two ago, while still having the last guildhest to clear, i feel like this series has given me the confidence and push to actually do the mentor thing. I like helping people, and helpful people are the reason I keep playing this game. 'Mentor of mentors' might be a silly title, but hey, its the truth. Thanks again Wesk
To spread some positivity! My fav mentor encounter was back when I was a sprout doing Eden Raids for the first time! There was one where most of the party was new to the raid we were doing. So this lalafell mentor put a dorito on himself to guide us all to the safe spots and we only wiped once! I gave him the comm and thanked him in the chat as well. It may not of helped us "learn" all the mechanics but it helped us clear as most of us were realistically not ever going to come back to this fight. Also the "I don't main this" or "I'm just leveling this" is almost like a defensive response and I hate to see it. They are not giving advise to embarrass you or call you out! Just advise so you can DPS a bit better or maybe understand the class a little more. I ran Prae my first "real" run with RPR and funny enough the OTHER DPS was a RPR (No mentor crown) and they gave me a lot of tips and I feel I'm decent at RPR now thanks to him. I play it now when I run things as DPS :). Just a small "Thank you" and then attempt to use the advice is a great mentality to have and leads to more positive encounters.
I was running a Endwalker dungeon with my partner (from 1.0) and a mentor pinged in as DPS. My partner was tank and I was Healer. We started by explaining I have severe visual impairment and seizures that we will go slow. All I got the entire run was the mentor crapping on me, being condescending, and running ahead to pull more as we weren't fast enough. When they gave advice it seemed intentionally 'meanspirited'. I am glad to see nice mentors. =) I have aspirations to be a Crafting/Gathering mentor.
That guy needs a swift permaban. I hope you took time to report that ass. For a more positive story on that end, check out episode 7 - provided I don't make a response script. I have a story about a legally blind healer, and expand on it for other people who may be in your position.
I look forward to it, my guild recently did SoS Ex and the vision issues left me curled in a ball with my eye clentched so tight from strobe effects and they had to order me off. The guild gave me the mount drop and said I am not to return to that dungeon. I look forward to hearing about that legally blind healer. I'm a WHM main and my partner didnt let me play the game till about 500 days ago. I tire and cant play too long do to medical and each dungeon is a pain, each trial taxing but I am finally about to unlock the Rats has Hand (sp) Aethrite. But thank you again for the kind words.@@WeskAlber
That Wesk continues to do what he does, with the determination and quality we’ve come to expect, is a testament to how good a teacher and mentor he is. Support positivity! 👍
Oof. I remember a gang of free company sprouts, for some reason, wanted to do the ARR extreme trials synced. (I don't recall if I egged them on or if they wanted to do it naturally) Ifret, Titan, and Garuda were not particularly difficult. But Ramah well, he was certainly a major spike in difficulty. IMO, he shouldn't be hard in a properly coordinated team, as the main thing is basically worrying about resource management, and saving stunned teammates However, this boss is really rough when you're trying to herd cats. On paper, this boss should be easy. But all it takes is 1 or 2 timmies who don't know what they're doing to make things fall apart rapidly. Either when they eat up too many balls and the tank has none left, or when they get the anti-stun shock circle and proceed to forget to save teammates with it. After about a good half dozen attempts, and most everyone leaving, we decided to just call it off, and have me unsync it just to get it off their quests list. Edit: Cut down unnecessary mechanic explanation, as Wesk did it more justice then I could.
Sometimes advice sticks...eventually. Not long after the EW pally rework, I was in a roulette with a friend on his PLD, and a mentor in our group said something to him about not using his free Holy Snowflake. My friend said nothing in chat, but in vc, he was bitching along the lines of "blah blah, i know what i'm doing, why doesn't he shut up. I told him to assume it comes from a place of good intent, and asked if he understood the tip. He stayed grumbly about it, but (surprise!) by the time we played the next day, he had researched what the mentor said, discovered the other guy was right, and adjusted his gameplay accordingly.
Opening rant is like watching a professor yell amazing info at an empty class. I mean I agree 100% with the point. To be fair this Canadian went EU server cause of bad exp in past games and how much nicer EU tourists have been to me. And while I won't say it is toxic free it is generally nice. Just hell finding groups. I did not know that about the ui. I thought I was going crazy!
I wanted to say "thank you" for the message at the start. I finished my 2000 mentor roulette grind last year. When I first started out, I was happy to try and help people and always stuck around for EXs. Funny enough, my second mentor roulette ever was Ramuh EX while I was on AST with 7 first time sprouts. Not sure how we managed, but we got the clear. However, over time, the negative responses to advice or mechanic explanations, people not reading, and even people queuing for EXs with the sole intent to, in their words, "spice things up for mentors" (I got two ShB extremes like this) it was definitely a strain on my goodwill. Sometimes I still want to go back and queue for mentor again, I love that it's a roulette of all roulettes, but those experiences just made it not fun.
I never understood why people blame the Rolomount on the bad state of mentors, with how low the % of mentors who actually finish it is, I dont get why it should be the problem. They come up with masterful solutions like removing the mount from the rolo, so theres even less intentive to run it.
Congratz on your 500 runs! But the biggest congratulation goes to your patience. When I started to tank (after following your precious guides) I wasn't in a FC so I did Ramuh Xtreme simply lfp. I remember I found a tank mentor that helped us to clear it in only three attempts (four of us first timers) and everyone said thank you and covered them with love emotes. Not sure if there is a different community in USA - I play in EU - so I can't tell if people hate mentors that much, all I can say is that I can generally read -thank you
It would be cool if they had a Mentee roulette. So those of us who want to learn the content we don't know can get into groups with mentors and other folks looking to improve, while doing normal roulette stuff with things we know. Or something like that. I want to get better, but I feel like any content I haven't learned yet is me wasting people's time if I'm trying to learn new mechanics.
As a healer, you can save someone that got terrified by Ramuh but not shocked by using rescue, it won't remove the terrify state but at least, they won't die. The only problem is that you can't save everyone due to the long CD but if the target is your co-healer, it's very much worth it.
Thank you for doing this series! I have been doing mentor roulette myself too, and watching this videos feels like someone is tagging along with me through the grind! 🙌
Videos like these really make me start seeing mentors in a new light. Theres a lot of pressure and stigma I didn’t know about. I've never been rude or sassy to mentors (definitely thought it, but never in chat), but I'll certainly be nicer to them now. The crown is cute, but I don't envy what you guys have to go through.
Technically, I think it then becomes a great symbol. You went through all that, randomly, without much reward, with ridicule, and you get an ugly crown. It symbolizes the true state of being a mentor perfectly; that is, not a respected job.
I totally understand as someone who recently unlocked mentor roulette, I'm always afraid to give someone advice or correct them on something in fear or being accused of being rude or bossy. Even when the team will constantly wipe I still stay silent. It just sucks feeling like that and its sad to see the majority of the community agree to the whole "mentors are always wrong and shouldn't be listened to". I've seen a lot of kind and patient mentors who are willing to help out and be patient with not only new players but players that just aren't that comfortable with what theyre doing as well. I believe there are more good mentors out there than bad, just most of them decide to stay quiet and hide which is really sad.
I taught public high school for 29 years. I originally wanted to do mentor in this game as I am by nature a teacher still. I decided awhile back I can help people just fine without the crown. I just am not going to set myself up for the grief the crown brings.
I believe you mentioned it in a previous video in this playlist there is, "no really good incentive to be a mentor with the exception of the mount." This is extremely true as giving good advice to others that are clearly having trouble is not rewarded. Yes, you may get a commendation but if you're a mentor already then those commendations are not needed anymore... for anything, maybe a hit of dopamine for about 0.5 seconds? But yeah, if Squeenix gave more incentive to be a helpful mentor then you'd see many more players being instructive when choosing to put on that mentor crown. Regardless, I've experienced about every situation you've gone through thus far and I've only done about 85 mentor roulettes LOL. Keep up the fantastic work!
Honestly i really like your content, i think you put a good spin on mentor roulette and its cool to see people try to atleast enjoy it and explain things
First yes a new WeskAlber video, so happy right now. Second, you're so right Wesk. Sadly, in my guild we also have some people how have mentor and don't put the crown on, just because they would rather not be ridiculed. But my goal in FF14 is to be a mentor and help people. When I'm in a dungeon and see that sometime is not really correct, I constantly try to help them. Your videos help me to get better at ff14, so I can better help them. A Win-Win situation. Thank you again 😊
It started out as a meme, but later has grown into genuine disdain and toxicity towards mentors, especially by people who are actually mediocre at the game and are not in a position to judge other players.
I've actually started logging my mentor roulette shenanigans because of this series and another one and it has been generally a positive experience... So far. People have been mostly okay with taking advice. I know that can change on a dime but for now I'll take it
@@WeskAlber cider has been one I've been watching too. I think in this case it's more there are multiple videos by Caetsu Chaiji about the roulette and there's a vid from Rinon about when they got to 2000.
Just wanted to share my really positive mentor experience. I'm a highly anxious person, like disorder level. As a sprout when I started tanking, I had a macro greeting explaining I was new to tanking and appreciated any help/tips. I got so much great advice, from mentors and non mentors, but mostly mentors! Kind strangers explained how to wall to wall, using cds, efficiently pulling groups, using invulns etc. Was just a really great experience, and now I'm a tank main :) My favorite role for sure. And while I do have mentor status, I do not use the crown because of the stigma. But I still try to pay that advice forward and help where I can, giving advice and such. :) Especially to newbie tanks.
Got Ramuh EX back to back in mentor roulette today. First one as healer which was still pretty bad cause it took almost 50 minutes. Still, no one left and everybody was willing to take advice. Second one right after as smn (it was even a duty in progress), which was cleared in 3/4 tries. Probably because we had a whole lot of mentors who knew what they were doing and 3 smn'ers in total. So, I feel you! And congrats on the Ramuh EX clear with rando's!
I personally tend to try and be decent enough with a majority of all jobs to a point of "I may not be the best to get in a Roulette, but I'd like to think I'm not the worst either" (as I'm sometimes in the mood to let random chance choose the job I play). But even with that in mind, Scholar is probably my least favourite job and the only reason it was my first Healer at 90 was because of Summoner. I don't exactly know what it is, but something about Scholar just feels weird to me. Also, while I could see the appeal of leaving pre-6.1 Totorak (even if I still wouldn't do it)... current Totorak is genuinely harmless, so that guy leaving was just weird. And the rooms before the Worm boss in Cutter's Cry DO still have one purpose left that'll primarily affect new players: They contain enemies needed for the Grand Company Hunting Log.
I think the main thing that puts people off about Scholar is that you need to be very proactive with ALL of your tools in order to have healing output comparable to the other healers. There's a learning curve, but once you overcome it, Scholar actually has stronger mitigation and healing tools than Sage. ...it is a pretty steep learning curve, though. Like, just for AoE healing alone, Sage just needs to know when to use Physis, Kerachole, Ixochole, Panhaima, and Holos. SCHOLAR, on the other hand, needs to know when to use Deploy Adlo (which is already 2 to 4 skills (Recitation, Adloquium, Protraction, sometimes Fey Illumination)), Sacred Soil (and you gotta make sure your party's likely to stay in the bubble during the time you use it, or you don't have a mitigation), Summon Seraph, Fey Illumination (and you need to know whether or not the attack you're mitigating is magical or else it's going to do nothing), Fey Blessing, Whispering Dawn, Expedient... and you need to be far more picky with when you use Dissipation as opposed to Sage's Rhizomata. Honestly, it's a nightmare, but it's very satisfying once you have it down.
For cutter's cry even if no one but you lives thru the 2 tps on your way to the 2nd boss you can still agro the boss on your own and in 15s the other party memebers will get a prompt to tp to the arena , you can do some great cheese strats with sleep or just death warping to reset aggro the adds can go thru the boss wall once its up
I can 100% attest to the idea that mentors just don't want to be seen as such. I unlocked mentor roulette a few weeks ago and I haven't touched it since I learned that it forces the crown upon queing. I main tank so I'm already treated as a second class citizen, no need to add the bad rap mentors get on top of that. I do try to help when I'm able but since I don't display my crown I don't have a comparison of how well my advice is taken. Sometimes they take it well and other don't, simply put.
I commented on the next episode but you make lots of good points at 4:00. Worth noting that while my friend had a bad encounter I still treat all mentors I see with respect. Even if it sounded slightly otherwise. You're players just like us (honestly better than me). I just wish you didn't have to deal with the negativity.
My mentor roulette experience has almost always fine in terms of people helping with mechanics/listening, it's the novice network where the worst of the worst mentors congregate. And whenever I meet another mentor who is a jerk they're usually someone I recognize from... The novice network... Big shoutout to that one guy who instantly left Ultima Weapn extreme, then we cleared in one pull in less than five minutes because the fight is an absolute joke.
@@WeskAlberAlso totally failing to actually state my point which is that I think the Novice Network as a whole needs an overhaul so it can't end up as a clique of people who just treat it like a social linkshell and give spam out questions, give bad advice, or just are actual nazis in your one case - we have that one button labeled "temporary kick" but they can always just get back in later. Definitely varies from server to server to what extent if any the NN becomes like this though.
I've taken this stance of only giving help when asked or when something goes wrong too many times because most people aren't willing to take advice. Like I'd love to help and I get excited when people genuinely want to learn, but the odds of being berated for helping are just way too high and it's just not worth the fight in the end.
Great video! For the Striking Tree one, I appreciate that you explain in this video how to do it since that can help show other viewers that haven't tried it that it is hard but do-able. Totally felt your regret on that Sastasha one, as I failed my tank in the same mis-clicking way about 5 feet from there XD For the Thousand Maws one, that player's response was nice to see =) I think you're hitting a good groove on this series!
I fully blame my phone. I have no idea how it didn't come through on the mic. I almost didn't even notice the tank just randomly stopped the pull halfway. Woulda been find had I noticed sooner
I just wanted to pop pack to your video and thank you for your guides, they are paramount for me being able to level alt jobs and are what helped me level Black Mage efficiently. I had a lot more fun then I expected to considering everyone says it's the hardest job. I say to them, Aether Manip is absolutely busted.
Shout out to Adamantoise's NN, where actively bad advice pretty regularly gets struck down. Singlehandedly restored a lot of my faith in the program after becoming one to be the change I wanted to see.
Hey, uh, sprout who is finishing up ARR here! The interactions I’ve had with mentors and more experienced players in general have been universally positive. Why anyone would have reactions like that are beyond me
Ramuh was one of the first extremes I cleared. With randoms as well. Have a video on my channel of my newbie gameplay from back then (not that I'm much better now). I spammed Duty Finder for all exteemes until endwalker and cleared that way most of them. Mentors cursed me for pulling them in, but we still did it, after the reluctant ones left.
I completed my 2000 mentor roulettes by playing mostly war and mch. Most dungeons go smoothly enough on war since you have the most agency and mch is just good in general since you have access to peloton, to force slow groups to trudge along, and the aoe lb to use on the final mob pack for better time efficiency, and the benefit of "selfish dps"(I dont know the exact term). After sometime I learned that it was best to just completely hide my chatlog unless I absolutely needed it like if someone dc'ed or something. I typed nothing, no matter how menial. I would always make sure to com my healer or co-dps so I could compensate a little bit for being a jerk.
Tbh I share your feelings on this topic. Just renewed my mentor status and started to spam roulettes and honestly ALWAYS scared to give advice on rotations. Like I had Levi EX and was explaining the mechanics, all fine, sprouts learned slowly and we cleared in the last 10 minutes of the instance (also one mentor just left mid instance???) and I saw how our RDM was hardcasting Verthunder and very gently asked about this but were left without an answer and just thought "Okay, don't want the drama, glad we cleared leaving now" 😅
I understand your pain my friend. As a fellow 2k mentor, I really really understand. But hey I help 2k parties clear stuff and dragged plenty of people through content, and no one can take that away. So stand tall and be proud. Only us mentors see the bottom of barrel in terms of ff14 player skill
at 12:50, this is not necessarily a bad response. They might be finding an excuse on why they are playing bad instead of criticising your teachings, in a "oh, I already knew this but was just bad, sorry" kind of way. I feel like the whole tensness behind "mentors get attacked for no reason" (which is fair) also makes people more prone to interpreting things as attacks. But I don't have the full context, maybe they kept ignoring your tips, or there was more beyond that interaction
@@WeskAlber I meant if they said something else to tip you off on why this was being aggressive. I read their 3 messages as "Sorry, I really am not putting a lot of brainpower into the game RN", "This is an easy dungeon, so that's why I'm not focusing that much" and "My goal here is purely to lvl up, I'll bother learning my character once I actually have skills that I can care about" Which really feels like an excuse as to why they were in need of an advice, more than saying your advice was ill placed and not needed.
I hide my crown, I honestly feel like picking up mentor was a mistake. I already was helping people I noticed who needed it, I don't need a crown to make that help more "valid"
As a newer player I can also tell you that I can sometimes not respond to advice because I can’t run, attack AND type to somebody xd I usually try to say thank you when we are done but some people basically instantly leave so… thanks to everybody who gave me good advice and never saw my thanks xd Also I will never forget the one mentor who told me I shouldn’t do damage on WHM… my bloodlily is still crying about that one
I gave up on the mentor roulette awhile ago and now focus on mostly teaching ultimates/savage. Too often got the toxicity towards mentors you talked about in the intro. I do enjoy helping other players though so i just do it different ways now
I got Ramuh EX 4 times so far in mentor roulettes. Cleared 3, the one time we didn't clear is because we could never fill the party after mentors pre-emptively leave when they see an extreme. It's honestly not too bad. This is on Primal. Just gotta try to be as clear as possible with the sprouts.
I have been abused for it by one person from time to time, but everyone else followed it and left the arsehole on the floor and finished up in almost every case. But it's generally well-received, and I get good comms results from it, and generally thanks.
i find this so crass that people don't believe giving advice is a good thing....the fact these maniacs would rather constantly fail at the one job they are given and push blame on everyone else probably cant hold an irl job for more than 5 hrs.
In regards with the bloat of content that the mentor roullet brings, do you think spliting the roullet into two or more sections would work? Like ARR/HW followed by SB/ShB and them EW/DT(when it's in the game). It would still be a bunch of content to be good at, but mentors could at least pick what they think is duable at their level of experience.
No, I don't think that would work too well. Consider that dude who left Toto-rak. A 10 minute run was too scary so they took a 30 minute penalty? Or more if they leave runs often. That dude sure as hell wouldn't queue for ARR/HW. I feel most people give up on Extremes by HW, and almost 100% by SB. I've never gotten a non-Rath EX from SB. The real issues are Extremes - since its easy enough to face roll through casual content you've forgotten - and people who refuse advice.
I think I know exactly which "mentor" you're talking about at 00:56. I rarely block people in-game but that guy had macros about all that hateful stuff that he'd spam in every possible chat channel. I hope he's left the game and gotten help by now.
I was in Ratfinx once, and after we wiped I stopped to explain the potion mechanics, and someone tried to dismiss me because I stopped at the beginning of the instance to type lmao. It failed of course because I was explaining stuff, but man. Shoutout to the paladin who had my back though. On their way out, they said "whoever voted to kick, I hope you get ligma," and I got 5/6 available coms. 😎
not a mentor myself but i had an.... interresting run as healer with a sprout tank doing ARF in a roulette with a friend of mine (i've been trying to help said friend work on their gear) the sprout tank seemed to be doing fine.... up until Ascian Prime. Every pull, he didn't seem to get it's nearly impossible for me to break the chain between me and him if he stay n the middle of the room for the boss. i politely try to explain to him multiple times i need his help the break the chains and it's okay to reposition the boss after that mechanic is dealt with. he told me to.... "heal through it,". I tried explaining over and over again that the chains keep pulsing untilt hey are broken and no amout of healing on my part would solve the problem. he called me bad for politely trying to help and saying he shouldn't have to do something just to accomodate a "bad healer". It ended with a vote abandon. said DRK was watching the cutscenes so i assume it's just his frist time witht his fight and just refused to learn it, i hope someone can get though to him in the future that sometimes tanks need to move for mechanics.
i remember vividly mentor roul throwing me into that one alexander raid with the assembler boss. nobody really knew what they were doing aside from three or so people, and the ones who had no idea what to do kept doing the mechs wrong. so we wiped, and immediately, a sprout started accusing me, because as a mentor, i need to explain the fight in full detail or else i shouldn't be a mentor at all... while i was already typing out advice. you just can't win as a mentor. either people tell you to shut up, or they demand a fully detailed guide and if you don't provide it the moment you load into the instance, you're a terrible person.
And...they (the new person) also forget how mentor roulette works. *They* (the new person) actively queued to be in that specific instance. *They* (the new person)queued in ill prepared. *They* (the new person) didn't do mechanics properly. You didn't do any of those things. The game, randomly assigned them a mentor from the Mentor queue. And even then, it's not your job to be an expert in all things FFXIV. Be helpful of course, but very very very few of us, even if we played the content when it was fresh, remember every little detail. Often I'll be in something with other mentors, a mechanic will happen and you'll see a 'lol oh that's right I forgot that'. Some mentors are really good at verbally explaining. Some are really good at visually explaining. Some are good at just being a consistant body. And even then, stuff has changed or maybe that mentor sure, they cleared Zurvan EX....but not in years...or not with having to deal with soar now....or not even every unsync'd. It doesn't make them bad. It makes them human. And they are a good enough sport to queue the most random of all roulettes and give it all a fair go. They might not even be on their main class. (It's a long roulette and somedays you feel like a yolo)
People that have in progress duty fill turned on and then instantly leave are blood pressure risers. One of the greatest moments I had getting Ramex in mentor was a pretty fast pull without anyone saying a word, 4 of us were mentors and we cleared right then and there with I think 2 deaths. Mentor roulette peaked in that moment and was never the same. 21:25 Wait that's why my gauges seem to randomly reset on sage!?
As a controller player - I am usually in the Silent Positive quarter...If the tank waits 5 seconds after a boss kill (or it is one of them with a door after it.) I get vocal (since I have time to reach over to the keyboard.)
There's...layers to this problem. One of those I encountered a lot is people who have the crafting mentor crown (which should straight up be removed since you can get this one just doing custom deliveries and has literally negative merit in obtaining since you can be a crafter mentor and not even know how to make a crafting macro) and are giving straight up bad advice and when a combat mentor corrects them they go ape shit. Which leads to the next, some people do not handle criticism even when positive/constructive and will tell the mentor they dont pay their subs. Tbh I rarely encountered actually bad mentors. But I did see plenty of toxic sprouts though but everyone say we all love sprouts. I feel the reps both groups have should be reversed. Once I got a Paladin that told me to regen his MP cuz that was my job as a healer because he didnt read riot blade's tooltip and never saw him use atonement. And I told him he should read his tooltips because healer arent mana battery and he rage quit the dungeons 😂
I have a Burger King crown in the game, with over 4,000 comms (which I think is a lot considering I only started in late 2020). However, I almost always wear my Crafting one (and sometimes the PvP one) instead of the Battle or overall one, as I find it leads to less stigma/problems. I am not a particularly great raider (although I have cleared multiple savage fights and gone into ultimates) but I like being on the relaxed side of mentors lol. I usually ask in fights with specific mechanics (especially with a first time bonus) if anyone would like a refresh/explainer, and go from there.
Maybe i should turn my crown back on, but the other day I had two different tanks in two different dungeons get mad at me. First one got huffy with me because I asked them to try using mits, turn on tank stance and face the boss away. They claimed I was attacking them. The 2nd was upset and the ypyt type slowly single pulling every thing. We kindly asked to go faster, They rage quit and we got a better tank as a result.
Well then, the intros subject somewhat fits well but on the other spectrum with my recent mentor roulette debacle. I, playing dps, and a healer mentor was in qitana ravel with a tank brand new to the dungeon. The healer mentor obviously was experienced enough to heal so they tell the tank to pull everything, I said to pull as much as comfortable. After the first little mini boss in that dungeon, the tank wasn't up for wall to wall pulls, but the healer asked them to keep it going. They did and everything went well so far, healer is just a bit abrasive but not the end of the world. But mob pull after the first boss is where things get dicey. The new tank still doesn't really feel comfortable doing wall to wall, especially since they were taking a lot of damage with the huge number of bats. Our mentor healer then decided to recuse pull them to try and make them pull more. The tank topped for a minute in justified protest against what they did. That mentor defended their action stating it was to "teach tanking etiquette". This is just really bad mentor mentality, and I said as much to them. It's one thing mentors generally being viewed rather badly, but when a mentor like that comes around and lives up to that stereotype it's just plain awful. Thankfully not much happened after that and it's probably just a minor offence, but an offence none the less so I did report them after we cleared the dungeon.
i have my mentor crown for over a year and a half now, the total mentor roulettes i went in is hardly above 100 because i am so tired of such people and i do not want to waste my time on them the mentor crown is for me i worked for it but i do not need to waste my time of the majority of the responses are the like of what you show
I have had some awesome Mentors that have helped me clear content i didn't have friends to clear with! So to everyone saying all the bad it's not always like that and honestly they have put countless hrs into the game maybe everyone should listen to them a little bit
On Ramuh, if you're not broken out of seduction, you can still survive if the healers rescue you out of the chariot aoe ramuh does afterwards. We had to do that so many times in my mine static. 🤣 *edit* also something i've noticed now that i've run ARR content alot more, alot of the dungeons strangley enough do not expect the tank to grab the adds. For example, Pharos Sirius will punish you hard for the tank grabbing everything on the first boss, espeically if your damage spawns a ton of the dogs.
hysteria is bait able. it's the 2 furthest players. so you can always go to south marker. if you get seduced you can rescue. ramuh not too bad. clearable. thornmarch ex, lol. xelphatol, previously if you didn't break the boat it will run away and you have to wait for it to come back and it will spawn more ads. lol. cutter's cry, if the party fights the 2nd boss' mobs. leave them, pull boss, kite boss and let them teleport in.
I know this comment is a little late, and that other RUclipsrs have done this topic (and that you've mentioned these here and there in individual videos in the past), but I would like to request a video about reportable or ban-worthy behaviors... things that are considered "grieving (griefing?)." Had a run today where the DPS was pulling for the tank and the tank refused to grab aggro, going so far as to turn off their stance. As the healer, it was.... yikes. xD
i think instead of bemoaning "bad mentors only in it for the rewards" we should be talking about how common the mindset of "i dont main this class so i wont bother learning how to play it" is and how THAT contributes to mentors staying silent also i dont think it would have helped since you were healing for ramuh, but in cases where an ex group is having trouble finding a tank/healer i just leave and queue directly into it as the needed role bc its easier to fill a dps slot. yes it means you dont get credit for mentor roulette but i would rather help some sprouts get a clear over having a number go up lol
i personally dont understand the weird kneejerk reaction of "ummm ackshually im just leveling" like yes and? you learn your job as you level. even if you dont intend to use it at max, dont make it harder on everyone else and yourself for no reason you silly goofs
btw it's amazing that, all things considered, the ramuh extreme went better than the AV last episode
....ow. That hurts in how true it is
I do love that in these videos, Wesk takes the time to teach not just the people in the duty with him, but also us. I never knew about the thing with the Myrmidion Marshal (or how to do Ramuh Extreme)
In my personal experience with mentors having met 1000s of of them, most mentors seem to genuinely care about new players and for the most part, my interactions with mentors have been positive or not remarkable enough to remember. The only negative interactions I've had have been a mentor giving bad/confusing advice about how to play Astro (they didn't know how new astro worked and apologized) and a mentor that got mad at a level 60 Dark knight for not understanding a mechanic (the mentor left the duty). With 1000s of interactions with mentors, only 2 of them being negative is a pretty good ratio.
I think my best compliment I've received in ffxiv was when someone told me at the end of a dungeon, "yours is not a burger king crown" (a negative implication nickname for the mentor crown). I had helped with advice / etc in a dungeon, though i can't recall which dungeon anymore. Good series, let's go.
"Good Mentors stay silent" Last night, I got queued into Cruise Chaser Normal, I'm with 3 mentors and 4 sprouts. We wiped 3 times, and the mentors stayed silent. Me and another sprout ( I'm positive that was an alt) gave advice and i got 3/7 comms.
You are a braver & better man than I. Your rant in the first part of the video is exactly why I've never bothered doing or even unlocking mentor roulette despite being a battle mentor (I'm also one of the ones who turns the crown off). I mostly play after work, and most of the time I just don't have the spoons to deal with vitriolic reactions to advice.
So good on you for doing what you do for this community because I can't. I hope you keep it up. 🙂👍
15:15 People who emote to leave just gets instablocked. They're so corny for that. I don't even know at this point. You're a Dark Knight in Toto Rak where AOEs clear this dungeon like no other business. You have an ultimate weapon. This should just be another day in the office. This was my biggest takeaway from this.
that last Dragoon slow zoom in 🤣
Thank you for the rant in the beginning. I have been a mentor for a couple of years now, and the mentor hate is real. I have met so many good mentors that have taken their crown off because they do not want to deal with it.
On times I encounter the hate - especially when there have been multiple instances in relative short span of time - I seriously also consider taking the crown off and if it is just not worth having it.
People seem to think that I think the crown makes me somehow special and more important than them. It does not.
I am no different from everyone else, the crown just means I want to help, and give advice to people where needed. The real question is why I still do continue being a mentor and suffer the occasional anguish it brings along with it. It is because when someone wants to listen and ask questions it is just infinitely satisfying to know you have helped their path along in Eorzea.
On that note I want to thank you for your effort in making all your guide videos. Your First Day -series and job guides helped me along immensely during my time as new player during the Shadowbringers era, and especially the Your First Day series is something I often link to new players still when they need a more in depth look on all the options they have in this game.
I want to say a huge thank you for not just this series, but all of your videos. I got my mentor crown a month or two ago, while still having the last guildhest to clear, i feel like this series has given me the confidence and push to actually do the mentor thing. I like helping people, and helpful people are the reason I keep playing this game. 'Mentor of mentors' might be a silly title, but hey, its the truth.
Thanks again Wesk
Waitin in queee..for episode 6
To spread some positivity! My fav mentor encounter was back when I was a sprout doing Eden Raids for the first time! There was one where most of the party was new to the raid we were doing. So this lalafell mentor put a dorito on himself to guide us all to the safe spots and we only wiped once! I gave him the comm and thanked him in the chat as well. It may not of helped us "learn" all the mechanics but it helped us clear as most of us were realistically not ever going to come back to this fight.
Also the "I don't main this" or "I'm just leveling this" is almost like a defensive response and I hate to see it. They are not giving advise to embarrass you or call you out! Just advise so you can DPS a bit better or maybe understand the class a little more. I ran Prae my first "real" run with RPR and funny enough the OTHER DPS was a RPR (No mentor crown) and they gave me a lot of tips and I feel I'm decent at RPR now thanks to him. I play it now when I run things as DPS :). Just a small "Thank you" and then attempt to use the advice is a great mentality to have and leads to more positive encounters.
I was running a Endwalker dungeon with my partner (from 1.0) and a mentor pinged in as DPS. My partner was tank and I was Healer. We started by explaining I have severe visual impairment and seizures that we will go slow. All I got the entire run was the mentor crapping on me, being condescending, and running ahead to pull more as we weren't fast enough. When they gave advice it seemed intentionally 'meanspirited'.
I am glad to see nice mentors. =)
I have aspirations to be a Crafting/Gathering mentor.
That guy needs a swift permaban. I hope you took time to report that ass.
For a more positive story on that end, check out episode 7 - provided I don't make a response script. I have a story about a legally blind healer, and expand on it for other people who may be in your position.
I look forward to it, my guild recently did SoS Ex and the vision issues left me curled in a ball with my eye clentched so tight from strobe effects and they had to order me off. The guild gave me the mount drop and said I am not to return to that dungeon. I look forward to hearing about that legally blind healer. I'm a WHM main and my partner didnt let me play the game till about 500 days ago. I tire and cant play too long do to medical and each dungeon is a pain, each trial taxing but I am finally about to unlock the Rats has Hand (sp) Aethrite. But thank you again for the kind words.@@WeskAlber
That Wesk continues to do what he does, with the determination and quality we’ve come to expect, is a testament to how good a teacher and mentor he is. Support positivity! 👍
Fully agreed, some people just want to rock the Red Mage job armor but not put in the effort.
You're doing Hydaelyn's work by highlighting good mentorship, Blessing of Light be upon you.
Oof. I remember a gang of free company sprouts, for some reason, wanted to do the ARR extreme trials synced. (I don't recall if I egged them on or if they wanted to do it naturally) Ifret, Titan, and Garuda were not particularly difficult. But Ramah well, he was certainly a major spike in difficulty. IMO, he shouldn't be hard in a properly coordinated team, as the main thing is basically worrying about resource management, and saving stunned teammates
However, this boss is really rough when you're trying to herd cats. On paper, this boss should be easy. But all it takes is 1 or 2 timmies who don't know what they're doing to make things fall apart rapidly. Either when they eat up too many balls and the tank has none left, or when they get the anti-stun shock circle and proceed to forget to save teammates with it.
After about a good half dozen attempts, and most everyone leaving, we decided to just call it off, and have me unsync it just to get it off their quests list.
Edit: Cut down unnecessary mechanic explanation, as Wesk did it more justice then I could.
Sometimes advice sticks...eventually. Not long after the EW pally rework, I was in a roulette with a friend on his PLD, and a mentor in our group said something to him about not using his free Holy Snowflake. My friend said nothing in chat, but in vc, he was bitching along the lines of "blah blah, i know what i'm doing, why doesn't he shut up. I told him to assume it comes from a place of good intent, and asked if he understood the tip. He stayed grumbly about it, but (surprise!) by the time we played the next day, he had researched what the mentor said, discovered the other guy was right, and adjusted his gameplay accordingly.
Opening rant is like watching a professor yell amazing info at an empty class. I mean I agree 100% with the point. To be fair this Canadian went EU server cause of bad exp in past games and how much nicer EU tourists have been to me. And while I won't say it is toxic free it is generally nice. Just hell finding groups.
I did not know that about the ui. I thought I was going crazy!
I wanted to say "thank you" for the message at the start. I finished my 2000 mentor roulette grind last year. When I first started out, I was happy to try and help people and always stuck around for EXs. Funny enough, my second mentor roulette ever was Ramuh EX while I was on AST with 7 first time sprouts. Not sure how we managed, but we got the clear. However, over time, the negative responses to advice or mechanic explanations, people not reading, and even people queuing for EXs with the sole intent to, in their words, "spice things up for mentors" (I got two ShB extremes like this) it was definitely a strain on my goodwill. Sometimes I still want to go back and queue for mentor again, I love that it's a roulette of all roulettes, but those experiences just made it not fun.
I never understood why people blame the Rolomount on the bad state of mentors, with how low the % of mentors who actually finish it is, I dont get why it should be the problem. They come up with masterful solutions like removing the mount from the rolo, so theres even less intentive to run it.
Congratz on your 500 runs! But the biggest congratulation goes to your patience.
When I started to tank (after following your precious guides) I wasn't in a FC so I did Ramuh Xtreme simply lfp.
I remember I found a tank mentor that helped us to clear it in only three attempts (four of us first timers) and everyone said thank you and covered them with love emotes.
Not sure if there is a different community in USA - I play in EU - so I can't tell if people hate mentors that much, all I can say is that I can generally read -thank you
It would be cool if they had a Mentee roulette. So those of us who want to learn the content we don't know can get into groups with mentors and other folks looking to improve, while doing normal roulette stuff with things we know. Or something like that. I want to get better, but I feel like any content I haven't learned yet is me wasting people's time if I'm trying to learn new mechanics.
As a healer, you can save someone that got terrified by Ramuh but not shocked by using rescue, it won't remove the terrify state but at least, they won't die. The only problem is that you can't save everyone due to the long CD but if the target is your co-healer, it's very much worth it.
I did try that, but the NIN still died later. You need distance and a little bit of luck.
@@WeskAlber yeah, i usually stand in the water and pull them about 2 or 3 seconds after they start moving
Thank you for doing this series! I have been doing mentor roulette myself too, and watching this videos feels like someone is tagging along with me through the grind! 🙌
Videos like these really make me start seeing mentors in a new light. Theres a lot of pressure and stigma I didn’t know about. I've never been rude or sassy to mentors (definitely thought it, but never in chat), but I'll certainly be nicer to them now.
The crown is cute, but I don't envy what you guys have to go through.
I don't even think the crown is that great a symbol. Memes meant to dehumanize mentors aside, its not even that good looking.
Technically, I think it then becomes a great symbol. You went through all that, randomly, without much reward, with ridicule, and you get an ugly crown. It symbolizes the true state of being a mentor perfectly; that is, not a respected job.
I totally understand as someone who recently unlocked mentor roulette, I'm always afraid to give someone advice or correct them on something in fear or being accused of being rude or bossy. Even when the team will constantly wipe I still stay silent. It just sucks feeling like that and its sad to see the majority of the community agree to the whole "mentors are always wrong and shouldn't be listened to". I've seen a lot of kind and patient mentors who are willing to help out and be patient with not only new players but players that just aren't that comfortable with what theyre doing as well. I believe there are more good mentors out there than bad, just most of them decide to stay quiet and hide which is really sad.
I taught public high school for 29 years. I originally wanted to do mentor in this game as I am by nature a teacher still. I decided awhile back I can help people just fine without the crown. I just am not going to set myself up for the grief the crown brings.
I believe you mentioned it in a previous video in this playlist there is, "no really good incentive to be a mentor with the exception of the mount." This is extremely true as giving good advice to others that are clearly having trouble is not rewarded. Yes, you may get a commendation but if you're a mentor already then those commendations are not needed anymore... for anything, maybe a hit of dopamine for about 0.5 seconds? But yeah, if Squeenix gave more incentive to be a helpful mentor then you'd see many more players being instructive when choosing to put on that mentor crown.
Regardless, I've experienced about every situation you've gone through thus far and I've only done about 85 mentor roulettes LOL. Keep up the fantastic work!
Honestly i really like your content, i think you put a good spin on mentor roulette and its cool to see people try to atleast enjoy it and explain things
Yay! Thank you, Wesk for doing this. Watching this while I work from home is now part of my Friday routine 😊
First yes a new WeskAlber video, so happy right now. Second, you're so right Wesk. Sadly, in my guild we also have some people how have mentor and don't put the crown on, just because they would rather not be ridiculed. But my goal in FF14 is to be a mentor and help people. When I'm in a dungeon and see that sometime is not really correct, I constantly try to help them. Your videos help me to get better at ff14, so I can better help them. A Win-Win situation. Thank you again 😊
It started out as a meme, but later has grown into genuine disdain and toxicity towards mentors, especially by people who are actually mediocre at the game and are not in a position to judge other players.
I've actually started logging my mentor roulette shenanigans because of this series and another one and it has been generally a positive experience... So far. People have been mostly okay with taking advice. I know that can change on a dime but for now I'll take it
Oh? I know shenpai has been on it for streams here and there, but another series? Who dat? or do you mean Cider?
@@WeskAlber cider has been one I've been watching too. I think in this case it's more there are multiple videos by Caetsu Chaiji about the roulette and there's a vid from Rinon about when they got to 2000.
Just wanted to share my really positive mentor experience.
I'm a highly anxious person, like disorder level. As a sprout when I started tanking, I had a macro greeting explaining I was new to tanking and appreciated any help/tips. I got so much great advice, from mentors and non mentors, but mostly mentors! Kind strangers explained how to wall to wall, using cds, efficiently pulling groups, using invulns etc. Was just a really great experience, and now I'm a tank main :) My favorite role for sure. And while I do have mentor status, I do not use the crown because of the stigma. But I still try to pay that advice forward and help where I can, giving advice and such. :) Especially to newbie tanks.
I can't stand people that do that at 15:05 , thousand maws isn't even the worst arr dungeon
Its so much fun watching your mental health deteriorating on each episode and we are not even close to one yet ;D
Ramah EX was my personal hell for my mentor rolos. Ate too many TB's when the tank would taunt before getting back north.
I felt that "noooooo" at 10:40ish
Got Ramuh EX back to back in mentor roulette today. First one as healer which was still pretty bad cause it took almost 50 minutes. Still, no one left and everybody was willing to take advice. Second one right after as smn (it was even a duty in progress), which was cleared in 3/4 tries. Probably because we had a whole lot of mentors who knew what they were doing and 3 smn'ers in total. So, I feel you! And congrats on the Ramuh EX clear with rando's!
I personally tend to try and be decent enough with a majority of all jobs to a point of "I may not be the best to get in a Roulette, but I'd like to think I'm not the worst either" (as I'm sometimes in the mood to let random chance choose the job I play). But even with that in mind, Scholar is probably my least favourite job and the only reason it was my first Healer at 90 was because of Summoner. I don't exactly know what it is, but something about Scholar just feels weird to me.
Also, while I could see the appeal of leaving pre-6.1 Totorak (even if I still wouldn't do it)... current Totorak is genuinely harmless, so that guy leaving was just weird.
And the rooms before the Worm boss in Cutter's Cry DO still have one purpose left that'll primarily affect new players: They contain enemies needed for the Grand Company Hunting Log.
I think the main thing that puts people off about Scholar is that you need to be very proactive with ALL of your tools in order to have healing output comparable to the other healers.
There's a learning curve, but once you overcome it, Scholar actually has stronger mitigation and healing tools than Sage.
...it is a pretty steep learning curve, though.
Like, just for AoE healing alone, Sage just needs to know when to use Physis, Kerachole, Ixochole, Panhaima, and Holos.
SCHOLAR, on the other hand, needs to know when to use Deploy Adlo (which is already 2 to 4 skills (Recitation, Adloquium, Protraction, sometimes Fey Illumination)), Sacred Soil (and you gotta make sure your party's likely to stay in the bubble during the time you use it, or you don't have a mitigation), Summon Seraph, Fey Illumination (and you need to know whether or not the attack you're mitigating is magical or else it's going to do nothing), Fey Blessing, Whispering Dawn, Expedient... and you need to be far more picky with when you use Dissipation as opposed to Sage's Rhizomata.
Honestly, it's a nightmare, but it's very satisfying once you have it down.
For cutter's cry even if no one but you lives thru the 2 tps on your way to the 2nd boss you can still agro the boss on your own and in 15s the other party memebers will get a prompt to tp to the arena , you can do some great cheese strats with sleep or just death warping to reset aggro the adds can go thru the boss wall once its up
I can 100% attest to the idea that mentors just don't want to be seen as such. I unlocked mentor roulette a few weeks ago and I haven't touched it since I learned that it forces the crown upon queing. I main tank so I'm already treated as a second class citizen, no need to add the bad rap mentors get on top of that.
I do try to help when I'm able but since I don't display my crown I don't have a comparison of how well my advice is taken. Sometimes they take it well and other don't, simply put.
I commented on the next episode but you make lots of good points at 4:00. Worth noting that while my friend had a bad encounter I still treat all mentors I see with respect. Even if it sounded slightly otherwise. You're players just like us (honestly better than me). I just wish you didn't have to deal with the negativity.
Thanks for the episode! Learned a bit about Ramuh EX and entertaining to watch lol
My mentor roulette experience has almost always fine in terms of people helping with mechanics/listening, it's the novice network where the worst of the worst mentors congregate. And whenever I meet another mentor who is a jerk they're usually someone I recognize from... The novice network... Big shoutout to that one guy who instantly left Ultima Weapn extreme, then we cleared in one pull in less than five minutes because the fight is an absolute joke.
*Leonardo pointing at you being in the intro of this very video*
@@WeskAlberAlso totally failing to actually state my point which is that I think the Novice Network as a whole needs an overhaul so it can't end up as a clique of people who just treat it like a social linkshell and give spam out questions, give bad advice, or just are actual nazis in your one case - we have that one button labeled "temporary kick" but they can always just get back in later.
Definitely varies from server to server to what extent if any the NN becomes like this though.
I've taken this stance of only giving help when asked or when something goes wrong too many times because most people aren't willing to take advice. Like I'd love to help and I get excited when people genuinely want to learn, but the odds of being berated for helping are just way too high and it's just not worth the fight in the end.
Great video! For the Striking Tree one, I appreciate that you explain in this video how to do it since that can help show other viewers that haven't tried it that it is hard but do-able. Totally felt your regret on that Sastasha one, as I failed my tank in the same mis-clicking way about 5 feet from there XD For the Thousand Maws one, that player's response was nice to see =) I think you're hitting a good groove on this series!
I fully blame my phone. I have no idea how it didn't come through on the mic. I almost didn't even notice the tank just randomly stopped the pull halfway. Woulda been find had I noticed sooner
That ramuh fight god I remember when it was current, it was a great place for tanks to practice swapping XD
The current iteration of Toto-Rak is quick and easy. Never had any problems with it. I had it come up today when I was using Dark Knight.
I just wanted to pop pack to your video and thank you for your guides, they are paramount for me being able to level alt jobs and are what helped me level Black Mage efficiently. I had a lot more fun then I expected to considering everyone says it's the hardest job. I say to them, Aether Manip is absolutely busted.
Shout out to Adamantoise's NN, where actively bad advice pretty regularly gets struck down. Singlehandedly restored a lot of my faith in the program after becoming one to be the change I wanted to see.
that one glamor item I would totally use for a dragon themed SMN
Hey, uh, sprout who is finishing up ARR here! The interactions I’ve had with mentors and more experienced players in general have been universally positive. Why anyone would have reactions like that are beyond me
Ramuh was one of the first extremes I cleared. With randoms as well. Have a video on my channel of my newbie gameplay from back then (not that I'm much better now).
I spammed Duty Finder for all exteemes until endwalker and cleared that way most of them. Mentors cursed me for pulling them in, but we still did it, after the reluctant ones left.
I completed my 2000 mentor roulettes by playing mostly war and mch. Most dungeons go smoothly enough on war since you have the most agency and mch is just good in general since you have access to peloton, to force slow groups to trudge along, and the aoe lb to use on the final mob pack for better time efficiency, and the benefit of "selfish dps"(I dont know the exact term). After sometime I learned that it was best to just completely hide my chatlog unless I absolutely needed it like if someone dc'ed or something. I typed nothing, no matter how menial. I would always make sure to com my healer or co-dps so I could compensate a little bit for being a jerk.
Tbh I share your feelings on this topic. Just renewed my mentor status and started to spam roulettes and honestly ALWAYS scared to give advice on rotations. Like I had Levi EX and was explaining the mechanics, all fine, sprouts learned slowly and we cleared in the last 10 minutes of the instance (also one mentor just left mid instance???) and I saw how our RDM was hardcasting Verthunder and very gently asked about this but were left without an answer and just thought "Okay, don't want the drama, glad we cleared leaving now" 😅
Anyway great series, enjoying it so much binging old episodes ❤
I understand your pain my friend. As a fellow 2k mentor, I really really understand. But hey I help 2k parties clear stuff and dragged plenty of people through content, and no one can take that away. So stand tall and be proud. Only us mentors see the bottom of barrel in terms of ff14 player skill
at 12:50, this is not necessarily a bad response.
They might be finding an excuse on why they are playing bad instead of criticising your teachings, in a "oh, I already knew this but was just bad, sorry" kind of way.
I feel like the whole tensness behind "mentors get attacked for no reason" (which is fair) also makes people more prone to interpreting things as attacks.
But I don't have the full context, maybe they kept ignoring your tips, or there was more beyond that interaction
It's the only tip I gave. Not even multiple times, just the once. Just seemed really weird a response
@@WeskAlber I meant if they said something else to tip you off on why this was being aggressive.
I read their 3 messages as "Sorry, I really am not putting a lot of brainpower into the game RN", "This is an easy dungeon, so that's why I'm not focusing that much" and "My goal here is purely to lvl up, I'll bother learning my character once I actually have skills that I can care about"
Which really feels like an excuse as to why they were in need of an advice, more than saying your advice was ill placed and not needed.
I hide my crown, I honestly feel like picking up mentor was a mistake. I already was helping people I noticed who needed it, I don't need a crown to make that help more "valid"
As a newer player I can also tell you that I can sometimes not respond to advice because I can’t run, attack AND type to somebody xd I usually try to say thank you when we are done but some people basically instantly leave so… thanks to everybody who gave me good advice and never saw my thanks xd
Also I will never forget the one mentor who told me I shouldn’t do damage on WHM… my bloodlily is still crying about that one
R is auto run. There is a lot if time between battles.
@@WeskAlber I know the autorun but I also tend to run into walls when I do it :) I am sure I’ll get there some day haha
You’re a great teacher. Been saying that for years.
I gave up on the mentor roulette awhile ago and now focus on mostly teaching ultimates/savage. Too often got the toxicity towards mentors you talked about in the intro. I do enjoy helping other players though so i just do it different ways now
I got Ramuh EX 4 times so far in mentor roulettes. Cleared 3, the one time we didn't clear is because we could never fill the party after mentors pre-emptively leave when they see an extreme. It's honestly not too bad. This is on Primal. Just gotta try to be as clear as possible with the sprouts.
I have been abused for it by one person from time to time, but everyone else followed it and left the arsehole on the floor and finished up in almost every case.
But it's generally well-received, and I get good comms results from it, and generally thanks.
i find this so crass that people don't believe giving advice is a good thing....the fact these maniacs would rather constantly fail at the one job they are given and push blame on everyone else probably cant hold an irl job for more than 5 hrs.
I'm not a mentor but I had to beg our healer to do damage while running Praetorium.
I would take the 30 min penalty on Ramuh Ex. Once I stood all the way and took 45 minutes to kill, worse than the penalty
In regards with the bloat of content that the mentor roullet brings, do you think spliting the roullet into two or more sections would work?
Like ARR/HW followed by SB/ShB and them EW/DT(when it's in the game). It would still be a bunch of content to be good at, but mentors could at least pick what they think is duable at their level of experience.
No, I don't think that would work too well. Consider that dude who left Toto-rak. A 10 minute run was too scary so they took a 30 minute penalty? Or more if they leave runs often. That dude sure as hell wouldn't queue for ARR/HW. I feel most people give up on Extremes by HW, and almost 100% by SB. I've never gotten a non-Rath EX from SB.
The real issues are Extremes - since its easy enough to face roll through casual content you've forgotten - and people who refuse advice.
I think I know exactly which "mentor" you're talking about at 00:56. I rarely block people in-game but that guy had macros about all that hateful stuff that he'd spam in every possible chat channel. I hope he's left the game and gotten help by now.
People hate getting unsolicited advice, they feel embarrassed, so I've just stopped xD
I was in Ratfinx once, and after we wiped I stopped to explain the potion mechanics, and someone tried to dismiss me because I stopped at the beginning of the instance to type lmao. It failed of course because I was explaining stuff, but man.
Shoutout to the paladin who had my back though. On their way out, they said "whoever voted to kick, I hope you get ligma," and I got 5/6 available coms. 😎
not a mentor myself but i had an.... interresting run as healer with a sprout tank doing ARF in a roulette with a friend of mine (i've been trying to help said friend work on their gear) the sprout tank seemed to be doing fine.... up until Ascian Prime. Every pull, he didn't seem to get it's nearly impossible for me to break the chain between me and him if he stay n the middle of the room for the boss. i politely try to explain to him multiple times i need his help the break the chains and it's okay to reposition the boss after that mechanic is dealt with. he told me to.... "heal through it,". I tried explaining over and over again that the chains keep pulsing untilt hey are broken and no amout of healing on my part would solve the problem. he called me bad for politely trying to help and saying he shouldn't have to do something just to accomodate a "bad healer".
It ended with a vote abandon. said DRK was watching the cutscenes so i assume it's just his frist time witht his fight and just refused to learn it, i hope someone can get though to him in the future that sometimes tanks need to move for mechanics.
i remember vividly mentor roul throwing me into that one alexander raid with the assembler boss. nobody really knew what they were doing aside from three or so people, and the ones who had no idea what to do kept doing the mechs wrong. so we wiped, and immediately, a sprout started accusing me, because as a mentor, i need to explain the fight in full detail or else i shouldn't be a mentor at all... while i was already typing out advice. you just can't win as a mentor. either people tell you to shut up, or they demand a fully detailed guide and if you don't provide it the moment you load into the instance, you're a terrible person.
And...they (the new person) also forget how mentor roulette works. *They* (the new person) actively queued to be in that specific instance. *They* (the new person)queued in ill prepared. *They* (the new person) didn't do mechanics properly. You didn't do any of those things. The game, randomly assigned them a mentor from the Mentor queue. And even then, it's not your job to be an expert in all things FFXIV. Be helpful of course, but very very very few of us, even if we played the content when it was fresh, remember every little detail. Often I'll be in something with other mentors, a mechanic will happen and you'll see a 'lol oh that's right I forgot that'. Some mentors are really good at verbally explaining. Some are really good at visually explaining. Some are good at just being a consistant body. And even then, stuff has changed or maybe that mentor sure, they cleared Zurvan EX....but not in years...or not with having to deal with soar now....or not even every unsync'd. It doesn't make them bad. It makes them human. And they are a good enough sport to queue the most random of all roulettes and give it all a fair go. They might not even be on their main class. (It's a long roulette and somedays you feel like a yolo)
As a dragoon main on a 15 fps laptop id like to apologize for all of us xD
People that have in progress duty fill turned on and then instantly leave are blood pressure risers.
One of the greatest moments I had getting Ramex in mentor was a pretty fast pull without anyone saying a word, 4 of us were mentors and we cleared right then and there with I think 2 deaths. Mentor roulette peaked in that moment and was never the same.
21:25 Wait that's why my gauges seem to randomly reset on sage!?
Yup. My Diadem Aethergauge is typically the one I have most issues with.
Ramuh ex is also rough because people dont look at their debuffs
As a controller player - I am usually in the Silent Positive quarter...If the tank waits 5 seconds after a boss kill (or it is one of them with a door after it.) I get vocal (since I have time to reach over to the keyboard.)
the black mage tip the person ignored helped me. it is sometimes hard to remember when you should switch to AOE. I thought it was 3.
There's...layers to this problem. One of those I encountered a lot is people who have the crafting mentor crown (which should straight up be removed since you can get this one just doing custom deliveries and has literally negative merit in obtaining since you can be a crafter mentor and not even know how to make a crafting macro) and are giving straight up bad advice and when a combat mentor corrects them they go ape shit. Which leads to the next, some people do not handle criticism even when positive/constructive and will tell the mentor they dont pay their subs. Tbh I rarely encountered actually bad mentors. But I did see plenty of toxic sprouts though but everyone say we all love sprouts. I feel the reps both groups have should be reversed. Once I got a Paladin that told me to regen his MP cuz that was my job as a healer because he didnt read riot blade's tooltip and never saw him use atonement. And I told him he should read his tooltips because healer arent mana battery and he rage quit the dungeons 😂
I have a Burger King crown in the game, with over 4,000 comms (which I think is a lot considering I only started in late 2020). However, I almost always wear my Crafting one (and sometimes the PvP one) instead of the Battle or overall one, as I find it leads to less stigma/problems. I am not a particularly great raider (although I have cleared multiple savage fights and gone into ultimates) but I like being on the relaxed side of mentors lol. I usually ask in fights with specific mechanics (especially with a first time bonus) if anyone would like a refresh/explainer, and go from there.
Maybe i should turn my crown back on, but the other day I had two different tanks in two different dungeons get mad at me. First one got huffy with me because I asked them to try using mits, turn on tank stance and face the boss away. They claimed I was attacking them. The 2nd was upset and the ypyt type slowly single pulling every thing. We kindly asked to go faster, They rage quit and we got a better tank as a result.
Well then, the intros subject somewhat fits well but on the other spectrum with my recent mentor roulette debacle. I, playing dps, and a healer mentor was in qitana ravel with a tank brand new to the dungeon. The healer mentor obviously was experienced enough to heal so they tell the tank to pull everything, I said to pull as much as comfortable. After the first little mini boss in that dungeon, the tank wasn't up for wall to wall pulls, but the healer asked them to keep it going. They did and everything went well so far, healer is just a bit abrasive but not the end of the world. But mob pull after the first boss is where things get dicey. The new tank still doesn't really feel comfortable doing wall to wall, especially since they were taking a lot of damage with the huge number of bats. Our mentor healer then decided to recuse pull them to try and make them pull more. The tank topped for a minute in justified protest against what they did. That mentor defended their action stating it was to "teach tanking etiquette".
This is just really bad mentor mentality, and I said as much to them. It's one thing mentors generally being viewed rather badly, but when a mentor like that comes around and lives up to that stereotype it's just plain awful. Thankfully not much happened after that and it's probably just a minor offence, but an offence none the less so I did report them after we cleared the dungeon.
Ayoooo dude got the Extreme clear!
The fact they have STILL not fixed the UI element bug is maddening. I see nobody else but you even mention it, but it annoys me to no end.
Not happening, but if I get media tour'd that's one of my questions for Yoshi P
cutter's cry is my least favourite dungeon because of the skippable rooms which always gets someone killed... I wish they'd remove the ability
i have my mentor crown for over a year and a half now, the total mentor roulettes i went in is hardly above 100 because i am so tired of such people and i do not want to waste my time on them the mentor crown is for me i worked for it but i do not need to waste my time of the majority of the responses are the like of what you show
I have had some awesome Mentors that have helped me clear content i didn't have friends to clear with! So to everyone saying all the bad it's not always like that and honestly they have put countless hrs into the game maybe everyone should listen to them a little bit
Waitin' on weekly videooooo... ❤
On Ramuh, if you're not broken out of seduction, you can still survive if the healers rescue you out of the chariot aoe ramuh does afterwards. We had to do that so many times in my mine static. 🤣 *edit* also something i've noticed now that i've run ARR content alot more, alot of the dungeons strangley enough do not expect the tank to grab the adds. For example, Pharos Sirius will punish you hard for the tank grabbing everything on the first boss, espeically if your damage spawns a ton of the dogs.
I actually did that at one point in this fight. They still died to the next one. A proper level of distance or two Rescues is needed.
hysteria is bait able. it's the 2 furthest players. so you can always go to south marker. if you get seduced you can rescue. ramuh not too bad. clearable. thornmarch ex, lol.
xelphatol, previously if you didn't break the boat it will run away and you have to wait for it to come back and it will spawn more ads. lol.
cutter's cry, if the party fights the 2nd boss' mobs. leave them, pull boss, kite boss and let them teleport in.
Good Red Mage advice BTW
I think most times I've had mentors in a party they've said nothing, I've had 2 mentors guide me through dungeons when I was learning to tank
I know this comment is a little late, and that other RUclipsrs have done this topic (and that you've mentioned these here and there in individual videos in the past), but I would like to request a video about reportable or ban-worthy behaviors... things that are considered "grieving (griefing?)." Had a run today where the DPS was pulling for the tank and the tank refused to grab aggro, going so far as to turn off their stance. As the healer, it was.... yikes. xD
astro is the best healer for arr extremes in mentor roulette thats the power of lightspeed astrdyne combo rezzes :D
I love striking a nerve when i give advice, like dang stay mad, pressed and bad lmao
The UI resetting thing has irked me for what feels like years.
i think instead of bemoaning "bad mentors only in it for the rewards" we should be talking about how common the mindset of "i dont main this class so i wont bother learning how to play it" is and how THAT contributes to mentors staying silent
also i dont think it would have helped since you were healing for ramuh, but in cases where an ex group is having trouble finding a tank/healer i just leave and queue directly into it as the needed role bc its easier to fill a dps slot. yes it means you dont get credit for mentor roulette but i would rather help some sprouts get a clear over having a number go up lol
I've done that actually. Was for Weapon EX. They killed me with every tank swap aka they didn't swap
I love that league player... they know whats up lol
I'm curious do guildhest give any worthwhile rewards? lol
When starting out? Hell yeah. They're HUGE.
GC seals and plenty of gil.
i personally dont understand the weird kneejerk reaction of "ummm ackshually im just leveling" like yes and? you learn your job as you level. even if you dont intend to use it at max, dont make it harder on everyone else and yourself for no reason you silly goofs