PS5 Pro Leaked Specs Reaction: Do We Want/Need This Machine?
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Time for a remastered version for The Last of Us.
The Last of Us Part 1 Remastered, make sure you finish it quick before the Last of Us remake comes out for PS6
I can't believe Sony had their premier developer waste 5 years on a multiplayer title that never came, and a remake of a game that was just remastered... that is like 8 years of dev time just lost. At least we are getting a new IP, but they could have had 2 new ips and a smaller Jak 4.
and GTA 5
And this time the upgrade patch for USD20 of course!
No please no I beg you
If the PS5 Pro is still gonna cap BLOODBORNE at 30fps, what’re we even doing here?
Bloodborne remake will run at 4k 30fps on the pa6, but it will path traced, it will do thing you would not believe on the cpu. There will be no patch to 60 fps on the og game
@@24-gt5kp wtf you yapping about
@@joaofreitas8724let bro dream
@@joaofreitas8724good question.
Yall both trash
We need less laziness in the business regarding optimization.
Yes, devs are just lazy… this comment is lazy.
What's your software engineering background?
Isn't necessarily the developers that are lazy, but publishers forcing them to meet a deadline. They don't care if it is a buggy mess. They can make developers fix it in an update. Publishers only care for sale number, and worse how microtransactions.
@@mianlo2624its most likely the lack of game engine development.
This has caused the issue of unused hardware/software on pc and consoles. Ps5 has been running with purely raw power and not with its intended custom hardware advancements.
Also with pc, since no game has ever ran better using DX12 or DX12 ultimate, it’s factual that hardware all the way bad to the rx6000s and rtx2000 series cards haven’t been taken advantage of properly.
@@detritiv0re144 I am hobby dev on Unity and want to eventually live of it. He is right though. There is this feature of Unity engine that lets you program in so called Data Oriented programming mode compared to Object Oriented Programming which everyone programs in. To explain in layman terms, DOP is more complicated but far more performant because you are actually, as the name suggests, taking into account the type of data you are working on and its less understandable to read. While OOP, is what everyone uses almost in all software development, deals more with abstraction and you dont think of hardware at all, its all left to the compiler to try to optimize your code as much as possible. This is why for example PS2 had to so many mind blowing games for its relatively underpowered hardware because devs had to actually code to the metal as they call it in assembly literally writing instructions for cpu and gpu. There is some clear issue today with devs becoming not only less skilled but also not even have access to code as best as they could even if they knew. Jonathan Blow talks about this aswell.
I am a console gamer because I don't want to think about having to upgrade any part of my system until the next generation. Their work around for that now seems to be, "fine, then upgrade the whole system halfway through it's life cycle." I bought into the PS4 Pro marketing, but it didn't make MGS5 look or run better, so it felt TOTALLY unnecessary to me. I'll skip the PS5 Pro.
"We said 4K the first time, but we actually mean it this time"
- Sony.
🤣Alex was spot on here.
Ps4 pro: 4K!
Ps5: 8K!
Ps5 pro: ..4K?!?
Alex just owned the PS fan girls in here
Facts this is why I run a 1440p/120hz with my XSX. 4k @120 is PRICEY, especially if you go OLED. And few games on either XSX or PS5 run native 4k @ 60
Digital foundry is just as sad as xbots. Trash quips to prove nothing points. They bet on xbox....PS won....and they have egg on face. Hope MS flying you guys out there and you claiming PS would have problem...came to bite ya in the ass. Shouldnt have been bought.
@@frogfarmer3551pc does 4k 120fps native.. and plays xbox games
Is it really a problem that, " we reached the limit on current hardware", when developers don't seem to create their games to run competently on what is in the hands on the current players hardware?.
Devs seemed so skilled during the latter half of the PS3/360 gen. Some true marvels of optimization and programming know-how then. Sadly I think a lot of them left the game industry or got laid off.
Really forgetting about all the poorly optimized games on those consoles.@@Nintenboy01
Santa monica studios and insomniac are the last best studios around in terms of Optimizing games to their fullest on current hardware
You can't say that about PlayStation studios their games usually have 60 fps mode even Ray trace performance mode
We've reached the limit of developers and budgets. Almost nobody has the budget and skills to make games that look like RDR2 or the Last of us part 2. It's just plain too expensive.
The mid gen upgrades are just for wealthy people. The good thing about them is that the lower power consoles become available second-hand.
Personally no, was 2 years late getting a PS5 because of supply issues, now have a PS5, PSVR2 and Series X. No point spending another £500+ on another console.
Personally I think the pro versions make sense if you buy them instead of the base consoles. Not worth the upgrade if you already own the base models. The one advantage of buying pro models instead is by the time they come out there's actually games out worth upgrading for lol.
I didn't even bother with a ps5 till 3 years later cos even tho there's a little more in it's game library there was nothing at first
@@rodriguezkev I upgraded to the PS4 Pro because it brought 4K (usually chequerboard) so this was essential in my opinion having already purchased a 4K Tv. Better framerates and upscaling as well as better raytracing like with the PS5 Pro will be great but hardly worlds apart from what the PS5 can already do on other games. It’s not the jump like it was between PS4 & Pro :(
Get a Nintendo Switch, Fire Emblem Engage, the Zelda games and Civilization 6 on Switch. You will fall in love with the thing. Happened to me.😅
@@simonuk1213 No it's not, but it's a good jump from the PS4 pro to the PS5 pro I guess.
Surely, the sort of gamer who is in tune with technologies such as ray tracing and machine learned upscaling is just going to spend their money on PC hardware. I’m not sure how many of my PS5 friends know about internal resolutions. To them, 4K is just 4K.
What ideas are they leaving for the PS6?
They did this with the PS4Pro and that console has served relevance 3 years after being discontinued
I think a handheld console will release with PS6 so that they can price PS6 higher and use the handheld as base console. PS6 could use zen 5 and RDNA5/6 . I think they would market PS6 with AI stuff and generative AI and Ray tracing .
Its just unethical for Sony to be releasing 30-120 FPS capped consoles in 2025-2027..
With Sony, especially with the PS5 generation and with Jim Ryan being in charge for most of it, it's not about 'want' or 'need' it's about how much money they can make out of gamers. I don't think it matters if we need a PS5 Pro now or not. Gamers will still buy one and Sony knows it.
It will Increase hardware capability but devs poorly optimize the game
Not only are devs getting more shit at optimising, the games aren't even getting more fun lol. What's the point of scope if I'm not even having a more enjoyable time
Performance is objective, fun is subjective.
@@mefirstplease3676yet we are still making games for PS4 and talking about a PS5 pro. Why? If we are still making the games work on a last gen console then you are not squeezing every ounce out of the PS5!
You seem to know a lot about programming, calling all developers out like that…
@@illusioned0ne Lemme ask you something, what Sony made or future triple A third party games that would “squeeze power from the PS5”, are coming to PS4? Also you don’t have to buy a Pro if you don’t want it. It’s completely optional for those who want it.
A lot of the issue is the current poly counts and level of detail in textures are to demanding for good anti aliasing tech, and the amount of time wasted prebaking fake lighting effects. Like fake baked in bounce lighting, fake screen space reflections, fake hand placed shadows. If PSSR is on par with DLSS it will fix the anti aliasing issue. And better RT performance could let more devs go the Avatar route and save a ton of time with lighting by using RT instead of hand crafting all the faking it methods.
I think very few that have a PS5 is going to upgrade to a Pro that is only 45% faster than the vanilla version.
Can people see the different between 4k and 8k. There will come a time that upgrading is pointless. Is this that time? 4k 120 should be enough. Games need to be optimized.
If you want a PS5 and don’t own one get the PS5 pro, if you own a PS5 wait for the PS6 (there isn’t enough content to warrant the Pro upgrade).
or if you don't own a ps5 then skip this gen and wait for ps6
@@DeadPiixxelIm still fine with my PS4 Pro with access to dual ssd's & an 8TB external drive so maby.. However i like the thing that PS4 & PS5 can be run on the same account. If PS6 arrives & its a revamped OS, perhaps thats not possible. I like the idea of having access to the same games, at 2 diffrent consoles in diffrent homes.
If you dont have a ps5 get the pro, then skip a launch ps6 and get the ps6 pro
@@randyrrs7028 it really comes down to if Sony can sort out a) lack of games, b) ridiculous pricing of games. This gen PS5 has been a major let down in every regard. I’ve owned every PS to date, and this gen tried to hold on to PS4 compatibility too long, resulting in no real focus on PS 5 only content. This was then exasperated by greedy CEOs pushing prices up, to a point it’s just not worth buying them at launch anymore.
@@dave24-73all PS5 1st party games and most of the 3rd party games that were cross gen had performance modes that utilized PS5 features and power. How are they failing in every regard? Who is satisfying your gaming tastes these days?
I'll stick with my standard ps5 and series x
ok brokie
That is a great combo. Why upgrade? 90% of gamers won't want the slightly better version on PS5+ They literally won't be able to afford it. PC gamers and DF even, do not notice the price constraints here.
@@diegofuentes425your calling him a brokie but you waste your money on the "latest and greatest" e waste, probably finance the "best" car and biggest home you can afford to impress your neighbors who will most likely not attend your funeral..... Congratulations, you're on track to retire at 77 years old like the other pay pigs. 😂 Flex more, work more, we need your labor baby 💓.
ok noted
Why would I buy a new, expensive console that plays the same few games? Mid gen upgrades are so stupid. I hope they at least give us some new features and/or a better controller. Consoles like the 360 Slim or DSi at least solved some of the issues of the original console
Mid-gen refreshes create segmentation and frustration for early adopters. Then, mid-gen consoles overlap with new-gen consoles. A vicious circle. This didn't happen with last-lastgen (Xb 360 and PS3) and has never happened with Nintendo.
ps5 pro remake station is a cash grab by sony...no thanks!
😢😢
I have moved to Pc cost me three and half thousand ££££’s got AMD Ryzen 7- 7800X3D processor with a NVIDIA RTX 40 Series RTX 4090 with 24GB memory GDDR6X.
I do have a Ps5 but I gave my XBSX away to a family member and I have a switch lite .
The PS5 Pro is said to be as powerful as a 7700 XT and the games are getting more demanding every year too, at that time even a 4080 would barely be enough for 4K 60. And don't expect the performance of a 5080 in a $500 console
@@randyrrs7028Only idiots are running 4k on PC.
I just want the Pro to be bundled with GTA6
I think the PS5 Pro is actually being underestimated if anything. People are looking at the spec sheets of base PS5 vs PS5 Pro, but if the PSSR upscaling solution is a strong technology, and I expect it to be if they're basing a machine around it, the Pro is going to outperform current expectations quite a bit. In addition, I think people are thinking back to the PS4 Pro being heavily CPU limited, but that CPU was weak in 2013. The PS5 was a much more balanced machine and has far more room to scale up with a Ryzen chip (even if it's getting dated now compared to when it was released) than was the case for the PS4 Pro.
Plus people need to know that that ps5 has a custom chip that does tasks for the cpu. It’s tasks would take 9-10 cores to run on the ps5 cpu.
This leaves the ps5 open to do a lot more than what its pc counter part can do.
@@balloonb0y677I am sure you mean the ability to decompress data on the fly, which frees CPU resources and saves storage space.
@@jochenrudiger harsh that’s like 90% or the work lol. But there’s is more the chip does
@@balloonb0y677 Which detail did I miss? But the DirectStorage Implementation, combined with the SSD speed, makes a difference, too.
This is something LTT missed when he built a PC which should be as powerful as the PS5 lately.
@@jochenrudiger well direct storage is the general name for the features the chip has. It’s all just meant for storage to be bottleneck free.
" I need more power " - Vergil, Devil May Cry 3
*UNLIMTIED POWER* - _Sheev Palpatine, Star Wars: Episode III Revenge of the Sith_
And also DMC 5 (2019)
Get a PC you’re missing out on so much.
Still got the ps4 pro waiting for ps6 pro for an actual noticeable difference. Hopefully.
Can't wait to play PS4 games on PS5 Pro. And my excitement for the Horizon Duology Remaster is off the charts.
Is that sarcasm or legit
@@m1tch506 When it comes to Sony's decisions for the last 5 years: sarcasm.
@@kpsk8031 true especially with the last of us having more re releases than actual entries and with most of the ps5 library being just "remasters" of ps4 games
You'll be able to play Red Dead 2 at 30fps, it'll be crazy.
Im still fine with my PS4 Pro: However i like the fact that PS4 & PS5 can be run on the same account.. If PS6 arrives & its a revamped OS, perhaps thats not possible. I like the idea of having access to the same games, at 2 diffrent consoles in diffrent homes.
Whats the point of the pro developer still can't optimize the standard version.
Ps5 pro is basically just about making your fidelity modes run at 60 instead of having to run low resolution 60fps
And that's all it needed to be, let the people who complain play new games at 1080p 60fps lmao
@DeathcoreManiac it still is going to be a 30fps console most asking fps bump not resolution. You keep playing games on 30fps in 2025😂😂😂
@@kenroyforrester156 the vast majority of games play at 60fps but sacrifice resolution a lot, imo anything below 4k shouldn't even exist anymore... Also it might be a big shock to you but most people can't tell the difference between 30fps and 60fps
Is that worth an extra $500 on top of what you already spent?
Exactly. And potentially with added vfx on top of what we have in fidelity modes now. That's all I want.
The best thing about getting old is 1080 and 4k look the same bc everything is blurry anyway lol
I got 1080 and 2K on a series S with a good monitor and it is really good. I won't spend another £500 just to get a 5% increase in something or other. Sony can rely on their fans to do just that.
I'm at the stage where I can barely tell native 4k from 1440p, native.
OMG, get some glasses!
@@turrican4d599I can barely tell either. I switched to performance and fidelity mode just to see if I can notice the difference and I can’t. I have a 55 inch 4k tv. 720p and 1080p I can easily tell though so idk.
@turrican4d599je he dont need glasses his senses is working fine its you who needs to learn cause scientific facts and research shows a humans eye cant see past 2K so whats the point of 4K when your eyes cant precieve it.... following trends with no research leads to wasted money and lack of knowledge
Ah the ps4 pro pro pro
The new narrative: "There aren't really any first party games for this thing" and "There aren't that many games that run at 30fps" and "It won't make 30fps games into 60fps games" This is COPIUM on a level not seen in ages, so...much....cope.
They will release another overhyped machine that is crippled by the old CPU and once people realize it is crap they will release the next gen consoles. We have been here before. Seems like the way to get people to impulse buy, get them disappointed and then have them buy newer junk to repeat the cycle.
Unfortunately I think like the Portal, it will sell on name brand alone
At this rate, we're getting more hardware releases from Sony than first party games.
Lmao. Accurate
What about if you have a PS5 already and have added a hard drive? Can it be improved or switch to this PS5 pro, and is that even worth it. Currently I don't see the point in upgrading at present. but perhaps in 1.5 yrs?
I don't think you have talk about if any of the PS5 Pro improvemets can reach the base version... at least in a software way. What is your take?
I only just bought the slim two weeks ago
lol fool
No problem with my guy. Just enjoy the games.
That's good. you can start playing ps5 games now and aren't missing out on much since the upgrade is minimal. And not out yet...
It may not be worth the upgrade from a ps5, but would it be if I didn't already have one? I have a ps4 and steam deck and it kinda sucks not being able to play new games but getting a pc is out of my price range unfortunately.
Just get a 2nd hand one for cheap when some idiot sells there ps5 to buy the ps5 pro
Buying a new machine just for the one game I play a year is a hard sell.
What do you mean for one game?
My Ps5 is my main console :p.
But I understand what you mean.
A lot more games than one, what are you on about
@@sklynexd Sony on average releases 1 AAA game a year. They dont even have 1 for 2024. Im certainly not going to buy a pro to play games I beat 5 years ago. They literally just joined xbox for not having any games.
@@korkuc26 Curious, What PC exclusive games are coming out this year that is worth getting a PC for?
With only a 10 percent increase in cpu it's a waste of money I could care less about ray tracing
No, we just need better optimized games.
What about PS5’s proprietary DLSS like feature? Supposedly it will look as good as if not better than actual 4K resolution! If Sony wizards are able to implement this feature to go along with achieving 60 fps then it would be worth purchasing, right?
Right.
The PS5 Pro would need double performance or more, best bet for the jump in performance is an equivalent as good as a 7700XT or 7800XT with FSR3 then youre running everything at 60fps. Jumping to 4K native is a massive drain on the gpu but if using FSR you would upscale to 4K and probably hit 60 on some games, it’s so smooth you really wouldn’t know it’s not 4K native
The pro will have its own ai upscaling like dlss, not native so yes 60 fps should be more achievable with the pro
@@beammeupscottsp7952 They are probably releasing the PS5 Pro just to beta test the PSSR and then release an improved version like PSSR 2.0 with the PS6, maybe with frame-gen as well
Give me 1440p at up to 120fps in all Games, if not 60 fps at least with the extra Graphics enhancement and that will do me... there no way this Pro version can't not do that.. I wouldn't want to spend anythink more than £549.99 for it also to be worth getting the upgraphics machine.
Releasing two consoles a generation feels like a slap in the face, but I i would have been fine with something modular like an expansion pak.
Does it feel like a slap in the face when a new phone comes out each year?
@@DeesBees85People get phones on a contract basis where you can upgrade and get tied into another fixed term contract with a service provider. Consoles are once off purchases. Not the same thing
@@DeesBees85Most people keep their phones for 2-4 years, (a small number of people upgrade each year), consoles come out every 7-8 years, it's not the same.
The only thing im upset about this gen is not having 60fps ray tracing modes on my ps5. (except for a couple titles, shoutout insomniac) if this helps with that, me and my wallet are def here for it.
Consoles shouldn't be too focused on Ray Tracing, they're so resource hungry that the resources are better spent on fps and resolution. Every game needs to run at a solid fps and 1440p upscaled to 4k before even attempting Ray Tracing.
60fps RT modes were possible only on last gen games like Spiderman. You cant expect that in 2024 games with tech from 2020/2021.
@@blackwidow7804COD Cold War runs 4K 60fps ray tracing.
Also the best looking game of this generation in my opinion.
@@balloonb0y677That game is cross gen with enhanced last gen graphics 😂😂😂😂
@zeblanoue2642 Get a PC you won't get this kind of performance on consoles without sacrifices in graphics, resolution and fps for example
If we not getting 4K 60fps then they can keep it
We are not. Most games will probably play 1800p or 1440p 60fps, or 1080p 120fps.
In the current shitty optimizations climate, there isn't a single piece of hardware that can run games at 4k60. Games barely run at 2k60 on the most advanced gpus and cpus, and even that is not guranteed. If games keep getting released at this abhorrent state of optimization, then it will perform like a potato no matter how much powerful your hardware is.
@@mohamad-abdo Spiderman 2 does 4k,@60fps with RT, I think the GTAV PS5 version does the same too, that's about it though.
You were supposed to get that on the ps5 and 8k 120fps....
if you're asking for native 4k then nobody is gonna give that to you and that's why a big part of this is the AI upscaling they're adding
These games are still designed around XboxSeries S and a lot of cases Xone/PS4.
part of it is where the players are... you can't just say a game needs 8 cpu cores at 4GHz and a RTX4080 or better to play it... most of the PC crowd are on laptops or some crappy tower they bought from Walmart or Best Buy.
There are two typical resolutions that console makers are targeting... 1080p( PS4, Xbox One, Xbox series S... and maybe a future hanheld)
and 4k where PS5 and Series X tried to get too... but they really are running way short of that, maybe 1440p upscaled.
Developers might want to abandon the 1080p crowd, but there is still a lot of gamers stuck with those sort of devices.
Microsoft probably has a pro chip in the works... The chips they use in the Xbox are the same chips they use in Azure for various tasks including gamepass and Xbox live servers. They'll probably focus heavily on TOPS performance along with something similar to PS5 pro... allegedly Microsoft might not be held back by which version of Zen they use so they could really get some performance gains
I for one im pretty excited for up to x4 RT performance and PSSR, if they can get it to the level of DLSS. The CPU upgrade is disappointing yeah but i think people in general are being way too negative.
The PS5 Pro would need double performance or more, best bet for the jump in performance is an equivalent as good as a 7700XT or 7800XT with FSR3 then youre running everything at 60fps. Jumping to 4K native is a massive drain on the gpu but if using FSR you would upscale to 4K and probably hit 60 on some games, it’s so smooth you really wouldn’t know it’s not 4K native
@@randyrrs7028you are copy pasting this comment all over the place. If it would make some sense at least…😂
100% they won’t include the disc drive so they can price it at $600. They’ll sell a disc drive combo for $700
I mean, that’s how they sell the PS5 already, so bold prediction on your part.
I think they’ll offer one PS5 Pro sku at $600 and if you want the disc drive you buy it separately.
It won't be $700... It'll likely be $500.
There hasn't been a playstation console at the $600 mark since PS3 era iirc.
I’m getting one. Got my PS5 at launch, and the graphic improvements of the Pro are very attractive (same story as the PS4 Pro back in 2016)
i was very lucky and got mine day one when it was released. and i’ll get the ps5 pro.
I have PS4 pro. It was not that big a deal.
Ps4 pro = ps4; ps5 pro = ps5.
Fck gaming at 60 fps with 720p upscaled to 8k 😂
On one hand I could see people wanting to upgrade to a pro model if it's actually a meaningful upgrade, on the other I have to ask why Sony would bother making one if they don't think it is?
Honest question. What PS5 games are CPU limited, other than Baldur's Gate?
The newest one
Dragon Dogma 2
PS5 pro is the upgrade we deserve, not the one we need
How do you deserve it lol
@sanishnaik2040 Because the promise was 4k gaming, and we haven't got that. And when we do, the frame rate is compromised heavily.
I'm on the side that the pro is stupid anyway. Another of people still haven't upgraded from ps4 and if you want better graphics and performance then you should save your money amd get a PC
@@rajgus7638 You're not going to get that with the PS5 Pro either.
@@HTHAMMACK1 Probably not lmaooo
@@HTHAMMACK1 I'm just hopeful we got more 40fps modes in games. With that, I'm more than satisfied
Not interested in the slightest. If what was promised with the PS5 (i.e. 60fps) starts to become less available in games then I'll sell the PS5.
Over promised and under delivered from Sony. Now they want to sell you something that can get closer to what they advertised first time around. Absolute jokers.
I'll take anything that helps me boost the fps on console.
Graphics are good enough for me though, better AI and Immersion in the world + better fps is the way.
These three guys know more than SONY? I do not think so...they are just clickbait hunters paid by everyone.
I don't, but I'm probably buying anyway as I always buy backup consoles for the future, although DF is slowly talking me out of it watching the last few vids on how the PS5 Pro still won't be able to produce 60 fps 4k. If that is true, what is the point.
I feel like it is competent. But we'll only know for sure in the future.
Even the 4090 relies on upscaling to hit 4k 60 in the most demanding games obviously a console sold for a fraction of the price isn't going to be able to if you want the high end visual features
@@rorynolan2322 which games?
@@sanishnaik2040 games like Alan wake2 and cyberpunk when you max them out
@@rorynolan2322 you know consoles dont run max settings like a pc. Always has been that way. I'll add that they have Alan wake 2 running 60 on ps5 and it still looks great.
It's worth it if you do not have the OG model.
In fact, I plan to buy one since I was not able to purchase the base model.
Nothing bud remasters this gen. Wish I never bothered getting ps5. I’m still playing ps4 games. Albeit ps5 upgraded. Don’t need a pro. Just need the next gen games we were expecting and promised
I'm not sure why you guys say it is in line with the PS4 to PS4 Pro update, as that had a 30% cpu clock increase vs only 10% on this one..
I love the idea of having a premium version of a console in the same way there is a premium/professional version of a phone vs its basic instalment.
I just wished that SONY dared more in terms of raw power, especially CPU related and quality of components (i.e. the case or the DS-pad).
I mean, those 10-20% that will buy it, would buy it anyway even if it costed $900-$800 w.r.t. the expected $600ish.
I think it would make much more sense.
Good for you , its a massive con
Sony has only released one bona fide AAA first party non-cross gen game so far this gen. I would like PS5 consoles owners to see more such titles before a Pro release. Afraid Sony will in theory look to lock additional performance settings to Pro console. I could see games having one mode for base console to cut development costs. The PS5 box has, or at least did, already advertise it as a 4k/60FPS and 8K capable console. Want to enjoy 60FPS…sorry that was a lie, that will cost you another $XXX…
4K gaming was a lie, glad im still gaming on my old 1080p tv. 4K tv owners wasted their money
@@randyrrs7028But 1080p Tvs are too small these days. Im searching for a 65 inch 1080p tv but they don't exist, sadly.
Yes, yes we do. You guys make a lot of unfounded claims and assumptions which will be proven false, in due time. The overwhelming majority of existing PS5 games will run better on the PS5 Pro. Also, upcoming games, like GTA 6, will have higher resolution, better lighting and shading, and better framerates than on PS5 and XSX. In fact, no matter how much you don't want to accept it, the PS5 Pro will be considerably more powerful than the XSX which will make it the best way to play all current gen cross console games. So, everyone out there who is looking to get the best experience on console, will undoubtedly go with the PS5 Pro.
4070 is almost 60% faster than 2080, it's definitely worth upgrading from a 2080 to 4070. R5 3600 is still a nice CPU that wouldn't much hold back the 4070. And if you need it, you could also upgrade the 3600 to 5800X3D or 5950X3D for not much more money.
Alex is totally wrong here.
The PS5 Pro would need double performance or more, best bet for the jump in performance is an equivalent as good as a 7700XT or 7800XT with FSR3 then youre running everything at 60fps. Jumping to 4K native is a massive drain on the gpu but if using FSR you would upscale to 4K and probably hit 60 on some games, it’s so smooth you really wouldn’t know it’s not 4K native
I think Nintendo would be the only exciting console that leaps to better frame rate and resolution.
It works out with Nintendo being 10 years in the past, tech wise, since they’ll actually be able to release more than 1 game a year. lol
Lol the current nintendo is basically a portable ps3😂
@@DeathcoreManiacNah give them some slack, the PS3 super slim on a good day 😁
@@DeathcoreManiac The Switch is weak now but it is more powerful than the 7th gen consoles, as a Digital Foundry watcher you should know better, they have videos on the topic.
@@HoveringAboveMyself very very slightly, I still think there's tons of games on ps3 that look better than any switch game🤷♂️
Can't help but think had this been microsoft, you would be more complementary. Lot of negativity here. Xbox one x was a absolute fantastic console ? Hmmm, if that's the case, I will say PS5 PRO is gonna be a absolute fantastic console!👍
Ms did the upgrade properly ,sony have not ,what don't you get ??
@@shaundavidssd I get PS5 PRO is gonna be a better console than series x! Microsoft did it right ? Lmao! Series s is disaster! PS5 outperforms series x lol. Do you get it now ?
@Joe-no7gs I have a PC too but I'm not waiting for GTA6 to release on it to play it there first 😂 I'm upgrading my PS5 to a Pro model to play it on the best system day 1.
@@shaundavidssd nobody even knows if these rumours are legit?? Even if they are, they're subject to change before release, _if_ the console is indeed real.
Hypothetically even if these specs are final, we'd need to see how it performs in the real world anyways like by watching DF vids on game performance running on a PS5 Pro.
On paper the Xbox Series X is the more powerful console compared to the base PS5, yet PS5 closely matches it in the real world performance, sometimes even beating it.
i feel like its just a lose lose. pay more for this machine or deal with games being even less optimized for the base ps5 we already paid for. just put all this rnd into ps6 please. especially stings because this year was the first year it made sense to buy a ps5 and its already obsolete
I think you are not taking enough notice that by upgrading gpu console can run higher resolution better and that takes less juice from cpu as 1080p would in comparison to 1440p for example. In that sence i think gpu upgrade was right way to go other than another way around.
My 85” Sony sees all the resolution drops quite easily. I’ll pay for the Pro for games to actually look 4K w/ bells and whistles enabled. Hard yes.
Or just get a PC
PC gamer for 20 years, no thanks. Been there done that. Have fun with popping audio, poor ports, and the always fun edit the .config file to get this game to work properly.
@@_Refurbished_ Sounds like you haven't touched a PC for 20 years
I have a pc and a ps5. Leaning towards getting the ps5 pro just because of the user experience on console. Playing games on pc feels like a full time job sometimes
@@Seymourseykretson console devs try and optimize games, on pc gamers do all the optimizing for themselves
Everyone needs to stop looking at the base specs. We all should know that consoles are never designed to have raw power not only because it’s expensive, but because it’s possible to get equivalent or even better performance with custom hardware.
This is proven by the custom ps5 FLASH CONTROLLER. I can’t believe even YOU DF don’t remember this thing. Sony stated it themselves that it takes away a ton of tasks a CPU traditionally would do, in which in the ps5s case the flash controller tasks would need 9 available cpu cores to run. That’s actually insane.
Plus, ps5 literally has the possibility for the best video game audio experience ever. With the tempest engine that would need 3 cpu cores to run, whilst videos games have only ever gotten a fraction of a single core for audio.
this generation flopped already, especialy playstation without slim model and its famous exclusive games is just not worth getting it if you already owned a ps4. the xbox series slim was best this gen
We do need it if it can deliver rock solid 60 FPS in GTA 6 when it releases. We don't need If it's just a bump to resolution while maintaining the same horrible and unplayable 30 FPS experience
That's literally the make or break for me if I want to get involved in this GTA6 and PS5 Pro business.
I can wait till PS6 to be honest. Just my humble opinion
Youll still be playing ps4 games on it.
@@AP90x basically lol
The only thing this PS5 Pro makes me want is to get a PC and be done with the console bullshit.
Gaming in general is dying so it's hard to care about frame rate on games that aren't fun or innovative
Yea... When do the Preorders start🎉🎉🎉🎉
I dont understand why everyone's anti ps5 pro. You don't want it, so be it. Its not affecting your wallet or anything.
Yup, lot of negativity here for no reason.
Not against the PS5 pro at all, i have a regular PS5 and it's enough for me to play PS4 games and PS5 remasters. The thing is why Sony thinks we need or want a Pro if there aren't any good exclusive PS5 games to actually need the extra power. All that said, if somebody doesn't have a PS5 then yeah, go and buy the Pro when is available to buy.
That's the world we live in, OP. People aren't happy unless they are bitching.
I don't care what anyone else wants or needs regarding a new console--I'm getting the PS5 Pro day 1.
Yes, yes we do want and or need it. I’ve got a 120/4k tv just waiting to be taken advantage of. Any OLED adopters are ready and waiting as well. The real question is does digital foundry ever tire of being a MS mouthpiece. The only reason the question is being asked is because Xbox doesn’t have anything coming to compete with the PS5pro.
Let us know how that goes when the Pro is running 4k upscaled from 540p 😂
Behold the future, 8k (1080p upscaled) 30 fps gaming, lol
I don’t think we need it. I don’t particularly want it either. Pro consoles in my eyes are pointless for the most part
I've never seen this much critique and downplaying over a console release. Yeah it has flaws and but it's not trying to be a 4090 killer and is optional. Don't like it don't buy it. It will be better than the PS5 and that's its raison d'être.
I think it just depends how much the trade in value would be. I’m not spending more than 250 cash for this machine.
This is disappointing from DF. BG3 act3 isn't a cpu issue, it's an engine issue. The engine struggling to handle multiple AIs in crowded areas. No one in his right mind is saying Dragon Dogma 2 is a perfect game and that we should upgrade our Ryzen 9 to get consistent 60 fps.
yeah I too was confused by the CPU comments... generally speaking the consoles aren't really hamstrung there... lowest hanging fruit they can go after is raster performance from the GPU 10TFLOPs isn't much, going to 30 will really help.
Damn near every gamer and reviewer is in fact saying DD2 is perfect as is.
Never have I seen before a tech channel so lukewarm on new tech. Except if it's an nVidia GPU that gives you a 20% boost for a 50% price uplift, then we're excited.
Here! here!
Finally someone said it, they are all console-phobes. They won't skip a chance to downplay the consoles no matter what, especially alex
Yeah, it’s weird. This is basically a PS5 with a nice GPU upgrade, plus some other smaller spec bumps, yet there is this contingent of people downplaying it.
If you already own a PS5 and trade it in towards a Pro, you’re paying $300 for this upgrade. It seems like an easy call if you care about image quality, frame rate, or ray tracing.
They are discussing if it's a worth improvement over ps5 and they are right. Upgrading a gpu and leaving the cpu the same is just a bad system. How much you want to bet ps5 pro won't even utilize the full potential of the gpu.
Sorry, DF aren't just going to fanboy over new hardware (even if it is PlayStation) just because it's new hardware.
If Sony had actually released more than a handful of ps5 exclusives the last 3 years I’d be inclined to say sure bring out a pro model but they haven’t. They put out next to nothing exclusive on the ps5 yet want us to buy yet more of their hardware with promises this will do XYZ that the PS5 was apparently supposed to do. This is how sega went out of business in the hardware space. People just didn’t see the value in buying any of their consoles anymore
10% cpu gain only! Done them dirty cpu heavy bound games hurt framerate. PS has remaster games only no new AAA 1st party games to play on it. No chance of 4k 60 FPS GTA 6like masses had hoped for. Even though R* take generation to implement 60fps anyhow and resell games later date.
The PS5 Pro would need double performance or more, best bet for the jump in performance is an equivalent as good as a 7700XT or 7800XT with FSR3 then youre running everything at 60fps. Jumping to 4K native is a massive drain on the gpu but if using FSR you would upscale to 4K and probably hit 60 on some games, it’s so smooth you really wouldn’t know it’s not 4K native
If it's not a giant ice cream cone in terms of design, and is compact and elegant like the Series X I'll consider getting it.
If I can ditch the stand horizontally I’ll consider it!
Series Y incoming mopping the floor with PS5 Pro
I remember buying the One X for Red Dead Redemption 2 and only playing it for an hour, maybe. I'm not sure what it was. i think it was motion blur was making me sick, lol. I gave the console to my sister and didn't pay the game until it came to steam. Unless you can customize the settings yourself i don't think an upgraded console is worth it imo
IMO Red Dead 2 is just bad on consoles. It feels so sluggish at 30fps. I played Spider-Man at 30fps and it never felt slow or sluggish. RDR2 has so much input lag on consoles.
Maybe you need a better tv!
@PurushNahiMahaPurush yeah I agree it was so rough. If I knew it was coming to pc at the time, I would've waited. I don't mid 30fps all that much as long as it's responsive. I'm literally sitting in a Homegoods parking lot waiting for my wife playing on the Steam Deck at 30 fps with no issues lol
@marro2483 I use a monitor lol. 1080p 360hz
@@hotdogmanful feels fine on my qdoled 65 120hz so I don’t know what’s up with your monitor
I think it’s needed but I also think devs need to be realistic with their game design and focus on the capabilities of the machine. Devs like insomniac can probably push this next box. The devs that ship a UE5 game running at 720p with upscaling have no hope
Bullseye! I was just telling my son the same thing. It seems a lot of devs tend to shoot past what they gave to actually work with. Imagine instead of half baked UE5 GAMES (or something like that) we got a game like tlou remake or Uncharted 4 on a general graphics level, but "on steroids".
@@underwaves75 there are gains to be had in the right hands. Moores law is dead if doing good coverage over this
Everyone said the portal wouldnt sell, 4 months later its still sold out
it helps when your first batch is 100 units
Nope, people said it was a expensive, feature lacking and unnessersary gimmick. Which it is, BTW. However not many said that it wouldn't sell. Since they knew that the Sony fanboys would still lap up any old crap, if it had a Sony logo slapped on it.
That's because they made like 15 of them.
Scalpers bought the initial batch, mostly. Used goods websites are full of boxed ones where I live. I mean, sure sales but are those the sales you want? I mean might even send a wrong signal to Sony, altho they prolly know who actually uses a portal.
Didn't the PSVR2 also sold out at one point?, look at it now.
This console generation is so exciting that it pushed me to finally splurge for a gaming PC
I did the same a few weeks ago. The only reason i keep my xbox SX is gta6.
This console generation actually pushed me towards PS5 from my PC.
Same. I just keep my PS5 for exclusive Final Fantasy titles.
@@sklynexdExactly. Huang's greed with 4060 (4th year into this generation!) being inside $600-700 builds is still weaker. It's done by essentially being a 4050ti sold 1 step higher
Consoles, hardware-wise, are faring MUCH better against PC than they did during PS4 era, where PS4 was weak from the very start at approx. 750ti/950 level
(Wait for PC users attack, who laugh at 4K claims from sony, completely unaware of their super-duper 3060-4060 being even weaker)
@@angrynimbus270 Huh? A 7700xt, 7800xt or 4070 super (USD400-600 range) can easily get you performance above PS5. Besides, over the lifespan consoles are just expensive. Pricier games and paid online, while steam has free online and the sales are amazing.
I’m mildly interested but I’ve also had my system since day one🤷🏾♂️. I also had a ps4 pro after having a day one ps4 and similarly, we were sure if it was worth it but eventually there were reasons for it. Was it needed, no. But none of these are “needed” purchases.
The PS4 Pro was a good investment for the first 2 years of this gen as played majority of games well for that period.
Of course we need. If not, so do you need a pc with a nvidia rtx 4080 ?
Gran Turismo VR with upscaling and raytracing?! Yes, please!
Please 🤞
Bingo. Improved VR implementation seems like the biggest upside to a pro at this point for me. Though Polyphony’s lack of ongoing updates to GT7’s VR experience makes me nervous that they might not optimize it for a pro very quickly…
@@tamasojohnson1847 i think they would, they've supported the game alot post launch like adding in PSVR2 itself, 4 player split screen, 120fps mode plus all the extra free cars and tracks.
I'm confident they'd make use of a Pro model, especially for VR as GT7 is generally considered the best or one of the best exclusives for PSVR2.
Doesn't ray tracing put quite a load on the CPU?
@@fcukugimmeausername and?
We are barely over the cross-gen period and already theres a PS5 Pro? I dont even think the PS5's full potential has been tapped yet.
Yes we need another machine, each new revision gets better and better.
why would you want a CPU upgrade? with a GPU upgrade it can automatically scale up the games in the current Dynamic resolution to higher res. With CPU upgrade the developers will need to do extra work to take advantage of it.
Nope i don't need this machine, it's unnecessary for an incremental upgrade, like i keep saying time and time again
Some people just want the best? Obviously you're not one of them and thats totally ok, options are always a good thing.
I’ve got good news for you! No one is going to make you buy it!
@@DeesBees85 just putting it out there
@@craigsampson3386If you want the best, you need to build a PC
@@James-gj8rn once is enough.