@@bokrugthewaterserpent3012 I just played oblivion recently and my (incorrect) memory is of talking to a Dunmer lady about necrophilia by those little bridges in cheydinhall. Then she has a zombie in her basement. Man, just goes to show that personal memories are quite unreliable
Re the timelines - Dunmer do live very long lives. Eg Berenziah, who was a mistress of Tiber Septim, is still alive and thriving in Morrowind the game. So it's not very surprising that the events feel recent - the refugees in windhelm are probably the very same people who had to leave Morrowind due to the eruption
They really play fast and loose with the actual lifespan of Dunmer, though if you look about Berenziah's story she is involved with Tharn and Manimmarco at a few points in her life as well as Tiber Septim, her longevity might not be entirely natural, the few Dunmer who have been known to live lengthy lives often come from Telvanni House and its pretty much accepted that most of the longest standing mage lords are necromancers and use those arts to keep themselves preserved. Neloth's Mycologist in Skyrim says he's been old as dirt as long as she's known him and she was like, barely a little girl when Neloth set the roots down for Tel Mythrin which he could have only done within the last 200 years.
Dagoth Ur - Defeated in Battle Sotha Sil - Murdered Almalexia - Killed in Battle Vivec - Disappears Then because he was too fucking self absorbed about his legacy which he saw coming for thousands of years, he didn't put the damn rock Baar Dau down before disappearing causing the complete annihilation of his people in his city, forcing an eruption of Red Mountain, and due to the catastrophe - the Argonians invaded Morrowind during the times they couldn't defend themselves. But all in all, even with all of this in their favor- the Argonians still got pushed back and driven out of Morrowind and can't keep a win.
The Argonians did not really have a goal in mind. Just cause destruction and as much chaos and mayhem as possible, and kill as many dunmer as possible to get revenge for slavery. Basically TES equivalent of the George Floyd riots.
@@valeriouscatastros8717 except the Argonians were justified, as slavery was still alive in Morrowind right up until it got nuked by Vivec's failure to do basic good.
@@TsukimuraMidori I am not criticizing the Argonians... I am saying they didn't have a political or military goal in mind. Just revenge for all the years of slavery. It was not a war of conquest, or expansion. Unless you count them occupying Deshaan until present day. They don't really "govern" it though. Just patrol it, and do scouting, and Intel Reports. I actually think the Argonians were right to be honest. But you also have to remember that slavery was banned shortly after the events of Morrowind by King Helseth Hlaalu. But 4-6 years of emancipation is hardly enough time to heal hundreds if not millennia of slavery and abuse from the Dark Elves.
@@ltloxa1159 I have been reading all the elder scrolls lore books, both in the games and online. I noticed all the strongest mages throughout the history were Dunmer, Turala the Conjurer to name an example who summoned Mehrunes Dagon in the first era year 2920. And she was a novice, who had an innately gift for magic according to the skeffington coven witches. Divayth Fyr is on par with some of the daedric princes, forgive me for not remembering the exact book.
K, There's just so many stories about Psijics just always one-upping literally everything. Am I correct in guessing that while the Telvanni have some extremly powerfull mages, the AVERAGE Psijic is more powerfull than the average Telvanni?
@@ltloxa1159 Sotha Sil and Divayth Fyr taught the Psijic monks on Artaeum, which means those two individuals are above them. There are only a few individuals within the Psijic order like Iachesis that can create a storm to sink a ship and freeze time etc. But in the early days of tamriel there were more Altmer mages, because Vanus Galerion created the mages guild. And the only race that defeated a daedric prince was a dunmer: Sotha Sil and Almalexia, when they banished Mehrunes Dagon in the year 2920 first era.
@@bobac2816 Because Skyrim was also watered down, compared to Oblivion and especially Morrowind with the rpg elements. Attributes and more skills made it better than the 18 skills in Skyrim and no attributes.
AnCap wizards with clone-daughter-wives residing in a giant mushroom containing a quarantine with the last member of an “extinct” race within. Telvanni all the way
In Morrowind the strongest class is a spellsword or battlemage, because the magic system is much better than Skyrim. The same goes with Oblivion, there you can even be a pure mage and still have max armor with alteration shield spell, and one hit kill with a master destruction spell.
The Ebonheart pact makes a lot more sense than people give it credit. I'm not a big fan of ESO, but Nords, Orcs, and Dunmer seem to value Lorkhan's creation at face value in ways the other races don't. All three are deeply rooted in accepting and overcoming the world in it's harshest condition. Historically, it's a stretch, given the political tensions, but culturally and spiritually they do seem oddly similar.
The Ordinators wearing Nerevar's face and protecting his murderers reminds me of Michael Altman and the Unitologists from Dead Space; a cult formed from a lie praising a man that died fighting against everything they stand for. Just one further insult added to so very much injury. The Tribunal deserve the shallow graves and eternity of suffering I granted them.
@@weirdreportt that makes sense tho, their anticipations both have deceit baked into them Sotha Sil was the most caring of the Tribunal, but that's because Azura is the most caring of the good daedra
@@weirdreportt what I like in Tribunal, is that they're not the same people as Vek, Set and Almalexia (was she called differently before "ascending"?) before the whole thing. Their characters changed a lot, when they could comprehend more. They made a pretty cool religion, that "makes sense", it's mostly Vivek's domain. Sotha Sil went along and juat agreed to whole godhood but all he cared was clockwork city. Both of them can look at whole Tribunal from 3rd person perspective, understand how they seem to others, why they are doing what they are. 36 Lessons is just amazing set of myths that serve a purpose. Almalexia supposedly got drawn so much into "play" that she took everything they made up as truth. And, I mean, Almalexia and Vivec might have cheated Azura to be revered and powerful for the sake of it, but in fact they were good gods for their people. Show the path one should take. Show that to everything is a consequence (Baar Dau and Tribunal itself). They were helping, but didn't tribunal ex machina everything, altough they could. It was about hope and refining culture more than being almighty. Yes, Almalexia just lost it and killed Sotha Sil, and from ESO we might learn it was prophesied long time ago, so clearly she was into that being almighty and revered shit, but that was during crappy times and I won't play the devil's advocate or nothing in this case xD they knew that would happen, Vivec was chill, i imagine Sotha was aswell, and as to that killing of Nerevar. We don't know. We can find hints that something worked not in a pretty way, but they could be sorry for not being able to help him survive too. Or, given how whole mythology of Almsivi mixes pure bs with facts, to create image of tribunal, the possibility of them making it look like they killed him but didn't isn't that ridiculous ;p Long story short, i think that they are cool, and did +/- the best what 3 elfs could do for their people with godlike powers (you also don't see them just conquering Tamriel, sooo). And while I'm sceptic to naming powerful being in fantasy a god, I dare to say they were truly living gods
@@karolfortuna8522 This is written well, I see your points I'll tackle them individually. Firsty, Sotha Sil is Sotha Sil, even before their ascension as ALMSIVI. His name as Lord Seht were just a recent name given to him by his followers during his time as one of Tribunal and during his work in Clockwork City. He is the only Chimer in Tribunal that had a full name - given that he belongs to the now gone - House Sotha in Vvardenfell. The young Seht was the only survivor during Mehrune's attack in House Sotha. It is a reminder that he didn't diminish for what he was before thus remaining to call himself Sotha Sil. It is true that among the three, Almalexia fully immersed herself in the play that they all should be playing in the first place, taking acts as facts and denying the bitter truths altogether. This contradicts Seht, as he himself was aware and still believes even in the bitterest truth - I might say he is the wisest of the three. If you played Clockwork City in ESO, he hinted that he still regrets that time during the Red Mountain and him betraying his old best friend, however, what was done was done and they should focus on something that can be a greater good to Tamriel/Morrowind. He also accepts that what he did will soon have a price to pay (Ayem killed Seht in TES: Morrowind, Nerevarine being successful; Tribunal losing their divinity). This is why among the three, despite having their divinity, Seht secluded himself to the point that even his followers don't see him that often, he doesn't care of him being a Living God, but rather using it to drive into his true purpose. He dedicated himself truly to the Clockwork world he is building, a utopia he dreamed of as a child. But even that isn't that perfect, so did his mental health being in decline as time goes by. I don't see that ALMSIVI made up that they killed Nerevarine. They *actually* killed him, Seht vaguely confessed this in Clockwork City and is feeling bad until the day he is murdered by Almalexia. What I was thinking is that the reason why they - Seht started to kill him is that he is the only loose end they would need to tie to achieve their divinity - since Indoril Nerevar is the champion and agent of Azura, and the three of them hated her. Despite the Tribunal being the Living Gods, they still have their lapses and mortal weaknesses and it really shows. After all, they are just living Gods, even Vivec couldn't save himself nor his city alone when Deadric Princes such as Sheogorath or Clavicus Vile tries to destroy or steal his divinity. It's kinda tragic that the three of them sought divinity just to help their fellow Chimer (now Dunmer), people by betraying their leader and their Deadric Gods. I think you can really tell how I am biased towards Lord Seht here, but among the three he is the only one who's fully aware of his actions - in the past, present, and future and fully acknowledges and owns it. Vivec is pretty chill and interesting character, however, his *duality nature* is contradicting sometimes. As Seht mentioned, Vivec is drawn into beauty and perfection in any form but failed to acknowledge and accept his and the world's lapses, failures, and regrets. Personally, I see them as lost people, desperately trying to become the top - the Gods in order to fully help their people and Tamriel completely. Sadly, they can't even save themselves. Like our player character, despite being a prophecized figure, we are still *prisoner* in the TES Universe, bound into something inevitable regardless of choices. Seht admitted that even the Tribunal, are still prisoners of the grander reality. However, among the three only Vivec achieved CHIM due to his duality nature, which helped him achieved CHIM - accepting that everything can be edited and fantasy while remaining his *identity* without ZERO-Summing.
@@weirdreportt Right, I forgot about House Sotha, I'm still confused about their names and stuff, and Ayem was the one i was looking for, so thanks ^^; I agree with everything, except maybe with Vivec's contradicting himself being a bad thing. Personally I like it as it shows that there's no one true way of being, it adds to whole myth, as we can't know the truth, and maybe all is truth (obviously that's not the case, but theoretically we can't prove that ;D) I dare to say, that both Seht and Vivec are similarly wise, when it comes to their position, goods and wrongs, but the difference is that Vivec is passionate about it and truly believes in their capabilities as gods, while Seht is more down to earth. I think that all of them knew since the beginning how it'll end. Like saving themselves was never an option. They had ambitions to be great, they were obliged to use their godhood in acomplishing specific things (Seht in ESO explained that very well, unfortunately i'm still halfway trough base of TES 3) They had their destinies to fulfill but I do imagine they could not do that? Theoretically they could abandon everything, pack their stuff and leave, but in being ultimately "rightful" they did not. Culture of Dunmeri people surely did change because of that Three and I believe it had a purpose. And yeah, theoretically they faced their doom, but they had a pretty good and long lives so far, so feels like a fair deal to me ;D Thanks for tackling my points ;p I still am not used to using many words and probably i wasn't creating sentences properly so sorry for my "essays" sounding rather.. unrefined let's say (also because i can't find a more proper word xD)
One of my fav RPs in Skyrim was Helosi Redoran. A young member of House Redoran that was left for dead on Solsteim after a successful coup by Telvanni, Dress, or other dark groups if you're into that, that nearly destroyed his house. Alternate Start Mod makes for tons of interesting ways to RP. Keep up the great work guys. The amount of research that you guys do is amazing, let alone the name pronunciation skills that you guys have now.
There is a quest in Morrowind where you buy a Dunmer Slave to have her marry an Ashkkan so that shows they will enslave other Dark Elves as well. It's possible she was an outlander though.
my favorite part of that quest is that he knows that you were bullshitting him all along because he wants to marry a high born Telvanni bride, but she's clearly not lol. I remember an early playthrough where I was doing a bunch of twin lamps quests and killed the character that sells her to you, and was surprised when I got the "the thread of prophecy has been severed" message lol
For elder scrolls online I think you could have : Dunmer Altmer Bosmer as the elven/magical alliance, Nord Orc Argonian as the warrior/tribal culture alliance and then Khajit Redguard and Breton as the diplomatic/trading alliance. They mixed them up just to have everything geographically close and to have each alliance have a 33% split of proficiencies though I believe.
This podcast is perfect timing! After watching you guys’ and Camelworks’ Morrowind content, and PatricianTV’s analysis of Morrowind (minus his main quest overview), I’ve finally started my first playthrough of Morrowind. I’m super stoked to watch this video!
Can you do a video on what actually happens with your soul, when you serve several Daedra? I just think it's funny to imagine the Princes bickering over who owns you.
Well the Neravarine is immortal and went to the east to Akavir so no one claimed their soul, (if they're still alive) or was claimed by Azura most likely. The character in Oblivion turned into Sheogorath so basically was claimed by him. The Last Dragonborn will either be an immortal servant of Hermaus Mora or since they are a Shezarrine, a reincarnation of Lorkhan and Shor, their soul cannot be claimed by a Daedra. It still would be a really cool topic!
12:55 I've always wondered what House Hlaalu was before the arrival of Tiber Septim and the Empire. And seen their ties with the Cammona Tong, their greed and their sly, untrustworthy attitude, I sort of imagine them as a clan of fences who saw an opportunity when the Empire arrived, much like the real life maffia who do business with just about anybody.
One more thing about Hllalu I found hypocritical was despite them being anti-slavery all of the big Hllalu plantations in the areas north of Vivec rely on slave labor plus the ebony mine near Caldera also relies on slave labor. Since they are the business house it makes sense that they would want to utilize slaves to maximize profit and that their anti-slavery stance is more or less a front to ingratiate themselves within the empire.
Sunday and monday are absolute P O G for me, get some sweet juicy Elder Scrolls lore right as i wake up, and then stay up late and get my SCP fix from The Exploring Series right as i go to bed
@@mirkrahven it's a really good universe to explore, especially if you're used to the very outlandish and metaphysical Elder Scrolls fuckery, you can start off in the SCP universe and still wrap your head around it fairly easily And if you're into creepy shit then there truly is no better fictional universe
Anyone else surprised on how much Scott dont know about the Dunmer? He did not know Malyn Varen from the quest azuras star. He had no clue about Turala who summoned Mehrunes Dagon, and lastly had no idea who Therana was. I am not trying to be offensive, just astonishingly surprised.
39:00 - Here's a thing that maybe isn't being thought about here though. Dunmer are elves. Which means it takes them significant time to repopulate, right? Or at least they repopulate more slowly than the human races do. So I imagine that maybe this is part of what has made their recovery slower. Plus, Red Mountain is still spewing out ash. Presumably that makes living in actual Vvardenfell pretty difficult. Which would imply that, essentially, Morrowind has lost like half or a third of its habitable landmass. Which would also be a problem in and of itself. Plus, we don't know what effects the continuous problems with Red Mountain are having on the climate there. Maybe the amount of stuff it spews out on a regular basis is enough to block out significant sun. Which would mean lower crop yields. Which are a problem for any medieval-like society.
I ADORE this podcast so much! I am so happy this is a thing! I love your discussions and the insane amount of lore you guys just seem to know from the top of your head. also, drew has the most relaxing story teller voice, even if he is just talking (that was probably also a reason why the daedric prince series was my fav, i felt quite immersed in this world where i listen to a daedrologist). Would you consider making a video or a podcast about the Direnni? they are always mentioned at the side, but rarely really talked about
Lmao I guess I’m delusional and a sellout freak to these guys for accepting Bethesda writers evil propaganda but the pact seems perfectly reasonable to me 😅 and after playing through it and seeing the obvious tension between the races but unites over multiple obviously HUGE threats ... seems legit to me
@@dadshirt6681 exactly. Just looking at the basics doesn't show the fact that there was, in fact, a good number of points of tension that they worked through.
Further touching on the association of Dagoth Ur and House Dagoth with music and sound, when looking at Keening, the metal arms are similar in appearance to a tuning fork (which is used as a resonator to tune acoustic instruments). The crystalline blade on Keening can also be associated with tone and sound, given the existence of Crystal Oscillators which are used to adjust frequencies (there is also further association with crystals in music, such as with crystal "singing" bowls, which create different pitched tones through resonance).
The ebonheart pact makes sense to me in the sense that it's not that nords, dunmer. And argonians needed to work together, but rather theybjad a mutual agreement that they'd rather work together to be 3 independent nations rather than serve the aldmeri Dominion or the daggerfall covenant
I have a cool theory suggestion for the channel: I often entertain the idea that the events of Oblivion also involve a major Daedric Prince that nobody really thinks about, and that’s Vaermina. How often it is said that she abuses, feeds and perhaps even uses mortals and their dreams for power? Let me be clear, how much of Dagon’s revolution would change the dynamics of the world that we know of? And how would that affect certain Princes, like Vaermina? There are instances where it is said that the Daedric Princes have complex relations and politics, and there are often struggles that pass completely unseen by us mortals. If you still don’t get what I’m talking about, here’s the tea: there is a certain Patrick Stewart that in the literal first minutes of the Oblivion game explain about the dreams he has of the soon-to-be Hero of Kvatch, but we only have a hero because the Emperor trusted the prisoner, gave them the Amulet of Kings and set the story that we know about up to Dagon’s failure. But why did the Emperor behave that way, how was he alerted to such prisoner, and why did he trust him? Was it a innate gift of seeing into the future? Was it his special blood? Or was it perhaps OMENS and DREAMS, my dear friends. We have a motive, maintain order as is to her precious human dreams farm, and we absolutely have a know-how of manipulation. Every time that I watch the whole intro of Oblivion and the sewers tutorial with the Emperor, I can’t help it but to entertain this notion that it was Vaermina herself that set up this whole plan into motion to preserve the world to her own gain. Also, we don’t even know how the prisoner ended up in that cell in the first place, could it have been another Daedric Prince playing with the world so Dagon couldn’t have his ways? I love the subtlety of this theory, and how we’d have to put the pieces together... Tell me what you think about it! I’d love more videos about Vaermina in this channel. Thanks for reading until here!
I think the important thing to remember about the ebonheart pact is that it is a defensive pact. Without the alliance, the other two alliances pose an even greater threat to all three provinces. They were also invaded by the Kamal snow demons which probably helped them that they were not invincible. Plus with all the other major crises going on at the time such as the planemeld, it’s better to have allies, even if you don’t like them, such as when the Soviets teamed up with the Americans temporarily against the Nazis because they posed a bigger threat at the time.
I think the red mountain thing may be due to Dunmer lifespan. It is still told as a recent event for us because it's still the first or second generation of Dunmer following the eruption.
I like the Alliange war to be honest. Aldmeri dominion and daggerfall covenant is understandable since Ayrenn WAS a one of a kind Altmer. And they helped the Khajiit during knahaten flu. Ebonheart fact... I just think it's neat to bitter enemies to begrudging allies.
Redoran are almost like Ashlanders that have chosen to follow the Tribunal, they thrive off the harsh land, use what little it gives to the fullest, and embody the whole “mortality is a test and itself path to transcendence if rise to the challenge” thing. Morrowind the game also always characterized them as being almost unconcerned totally with politic, and considered to be a distant 3rd to Hlaalu and Telvanni who themselves were rabidly ambitious. They maintain that top 3 position by simply weathering all hardship and just doing what they’re good at, fighting, surviving, finding shells, reading sad poetry
I wouldn’t mind a podcast about the Nordic empire or the East and west Skyrim conflicts, these podcasts are great to listen to while exploring Skyrim and enslaving bandits with the ritual stone
I join Telvanni after doing a large cunk of the Mages Guild (enough to get the ring and staff quests). After joining Telvanni, I kill the Archmaster of the Mages Guild by taunting him into attacking so I can get his amulet without losing access to the teleporters. Ironically I helped with finding the Telvanni spy long before, only to become one myself
Hlaalu was always my favorite House in Morrowind! I loved their cosmopolitanism and loved walking the fine line between pragmatism and venality. I found Redoran simple and rigid, and Telvanni surprisingly brutish in their outlook. I would love if they completely redid Morrowind to bring the graphics up to date, voice all the dialog, and overhaul some of the combat. As long as they kept the story-it was awesome to begin with-and stuff like the astrological signs, the classes, etc.
As to the state of Morrowind, at least in my language Neloth said “rebuilding of Vivec took us decades” meaning the location that started the red year was restored, so it’s likely better than completely destroyed
Well Scott, Drew, and Michael. I know you've played /some/ ESO, but it seems like you weren't paying attention in stonefalls or deshaan when it was being hinted that the Tribunal was already on the decline, nor the Morrowind expansion when it is confirmed Dagoth Ur /is/ already stirring and the Tribunal already can't go up red mountain and restore their power. The Ebonheart Pact is formed for the same reason the Armistace is signed.
Redoran suffered less to the eruption of red mountain. My guess is the Argonians didn't desire to conquer the Dunmer but to strike out at them as more of a warning or retribution. House Redoran answered in kind.
I was just about to search a video of yours on the topic. LOL! I started playing Morrowind because of you guys, I am ashamed because didn't started earlier. Now, I feel the same way when I discovered Skyrim🙏😀
Can you guys do a podcast on an assortment of the lesser talked about daedric races such as the Skaafin for example? I love my Sunday mornings listening to this!
Every Sunday I make breakfast with yall playing in the background and I just really appreciate yalls dedication. Hopefully Elder Scrolls VI features the Nerevarine returning from Akavir with the lost Dragonborn Emperor heir to defeat the Thalmor and restore the Empire/Morrowind
The Ebonheart Pact itself is the very reason I, at first, thought ESO came after Skyrim in the timeline...and then saw Vivec and was hopelessly confused lol
3 years late but the whole conversation at 39:30 about Skyrim's story being better off if it was set 30 years after Oblivion rather than 200 can also be applied to the Fallout series, specifically Fallout 3. IDK what Bethesdas obsession with time skips is
I would argue an issue with redoran that I've recently come into and was watching this to try and figure out. Being so pious and dutiful how do they approach the daedra considering the wintersun mod requiring sneaky killings and killing the innocent which conflicts with the house ideology
The thing about a crisis/feud lasting longer in fantasy is elves live a long time and their memories aren't as short as humans, so they would hold grudges for longer or for more generations as their historical memory is deeper than ours. Also there are plenty of examples of human cultures that have been at war for so long that they forget why
I always fell bad for the elves in the gray quarter. Then I remeber morrowind and how the dark elves are so much worse than the Nords in term of racism.
@@synner707 The Nords invaded Morrowind out of jealousy, then got booted out when the Chimer and Dwemer teamed up against them. Say what you will about the Dunmer, but they didn't exterminate an entire race, nor did they imbue a weapon with genocidal hatred against other races.
I wish other provinces were as detailed as the Morrowind. I hope we get more complexity with the situation in High Rock or Hammerfell (or both, hopefully) in ES6, besides east vrs. west, progressive vrs. conservative, etc.
I think house hlaalu gets a bad wrap, I used to really enjoy house redoran but the more I got involved with them I just came to see them as a bit too stubborn or idiotic for their own good, amazing warriors that they are, but then I got to house hlaalu and I kind of respect them in a weird way, dont get me wrong they have some very very weird members (like most houses do I think) and they are capable of cultivating bad eggs, they still have the ability to swallow their pride and thrive in whatever circumstances morrowind finds itself in. I sort of started viewing them a bit like the lannisters of morrowind, value in gold, prosperity in deals, alliances and cunning, but that doesnt mean they arent as capable as the other houses.
Well. Orcs will fight each other for breeding rights and authority but it’s for the genetic survival of the clan; any lesser Orc can rise in the ranks and only breed if he becomes chieftain because Orcs don’t have a homeland and they want to collectively survive, but they’re civil, have a rich culture and they work well together. The Telvanni are like a group of rabidly individualistic and ambitious Rick Sanchezs that almost utterly lacks civility or cohesion, it’s like a gated community of sociopaths and mad scientists, and power is the only law.
It's so strange that the house that considers gravity, the inherent seriousness of life, to be a major virtue and guiding principle would fanboy over Vivec of all people
Where is Great House Camel?
It is a House we cannot afford to lose.
in the hamerfell
Elsweyr
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You're a Dunmer? I am very disapointed. Thought better of you.
46:00 “It’s kind of a beautiful thing about the Dunmer...they’ll enslave anyone...they don’t discriminate”
- FudgeMuppet Drew, 2021
"Hippity Hoppity, you're now my property" - House Telvanni motto
It's "Hippety hopity, this Dragon soul is now my Property."
-Miraak
Scott , Drew 2024
@@uscovenant2350 Miraak is from House Telvanni then
“How much is the fine for necrophilia?”
-that one Hlauu chick in Skingrad
thats nothing compared to morrowind, thanks!
Ten Septims.....
@@dr.krieger6563 when straight up necromancer is legal in Cyrodiil it makes sense that something like necrophilia isn't punished that harshly.
*cheydinhall
Edit: don't listen to strangers on the internet cuz they can be wrong
@@bokrugthewaterserpent3012 I just played oblivion recently and my (incorrect) memory is of talking to a Dunmer lady about necrophilia by those little bridges in cheydinhall. Then she has a zombie in her basement. Man, just goes to show that personal memories are quite unreliable
Re the timelines - Dunmer do live very long lives. Eg Berenziah, who was a mistress of Tiber Septim, is still alive and thriving in Morrowind the game. So it's not very surprising that the events feel recent - the refugees in windhelm are probably the very same people who had to leave Morrowind due to the eruption
They really play fast and loose with the actual lifespan of Dunmer, though if you look about Berenziah's story she is involved with Tharn and Manimmarco at a few points in her life as well as Tiber Septim, her longevity might not be entirely natural, the few Dunmer who have been known to live lengthy lives often come from Telvanni House and its pretty much accepted that most of the longest standing mage lords are necromancers and use those arts to keep themselves preserved. Neloth's Mycologist in Skyrim says he's been old as dirt as long as she's known him and she was like, barely a little girl when Neloth set the roots down for Tel Mythrin which he could have only done within the last 200 years.
That’s a very anti-semetic comment
Love when the Tribunal gets together to dive into the deep lore.
Love you guys and all you do. ❤️
31:52 House Telvanni also has one of their scions installed in the College of Winterhold as a student. She complains of her parent's expectations
Ah, yes: best girl.
Dagoth Ur - Defeated in Battle
Sotha Sil - Murdered
Almalexia - Killed in Battle
Vivec - Disappears
Then because he was too fucking self absorbed about his legacy which he saw coming for thousands of years, he didn't put the damn rock Baar Dau down before disappearing causing the complete annihilation of his people in his city, forcing an eruption of Red Mountain, and due to the catastrophe - the Argonians invaded Morrowind during the times they couldn't defend themselves. But all in all, even with all of this in their favor- the Argonians still got pushed back and driven out of Morrowind and can't keep a win.
The Argonians did not really have a goal in mind. Just cause destruction and as much chaos and mayhem as possible, and kill as many dunmer as possible to get revenge for slavery. Basically TES equivalent of the George Floyd riots.
@@valeriouscatastros8717 except the Argonians were justified, as slavery was still alive in Morrowind right up until it got nuked by Vivec's failure to do basic good.
@@TsukimuraMidori I am not criticizing the Argonians... I am saying they didn't have a political or military goal in mind. Just revenge for all the years of slavery. It was not a war of conquest, or expansion. Unless you count them occupying Deshaan until present day. They don't really "govern" it though. Just patrol it, and do scouting, and Intel Reports.
I actually think the Argonians were right to be honest. But you also have to remember that slavery was banned shortly after the events of Morrowind by King Helseth Hlaalu. But 4-6 years of emancipation is hardly enough time to heal hundreds if not millennia of slavery and abuse from the Dark Elves.
I'd fucking do it again
House redoran are badass
I'd explain why Telvanni is the greatest house but you couldn't possibly understand...
Telvanni Dunmer Mages are better than the Psijic Altmer monks, so it makes sense that they are the best great house.
Source?
@@ltloxa1159 I have been reading all the elder scrolls lore books, both in the games and online. I noticed all the strongest mages throughout the history were Dunmer, Turala the Conjurer to name an example who summoned Mehrunes Dagon in the first era year 2920. And she was a novice, who had an innately gift for magic according to the skeffington coven witches. Divayth Fyr is on par with some of the daedric princes, forgive me for not remembering the exact book.
K, There's just so many stories about Psijics just always one-upping literally everything. Am I correct in guessing that while the Telvanni have some extremly powerfull mages, the AVERAGE Psijic is more powerfull than the average Telvanni?
@@ltloxa1159 Sotha Sil and Divayth Fyr taught the Psijic monks on Artaeum, which means those two individuals are above them. There are only a few individuals within the Psijic order like Iachesis that can create a storm to sink a ship and freeze time etc. But in the early days of tamriel there were more Altmer mages, because Vanus Galerion created the mages guild. And the only race that defeated a daedric prince was a dunmer: Sotha Sil and Almalexia, when they banished Mehrunes Dagon in the year 2920 first era.
I really hope TES 6 can replicate the crazy feeling of wonder in exploration and metaphysical lore of Morrowind
naw it wont. short and unfulfilling faction quests, simplified unimaginative skill trees, and hand holding all the way through the main questline
@@weedle5221 how do you know
@@bobac2816 Because Skyrim was also watered down, compared to Oblivion and especially Morrowind with the rpg elements. Attributes and more skills made it better than the 18 skills in Skyrim and no attributes.
@@thomasrosendahl2783 Yes, for marketing and PR purposes they made the game appeal to normies. So sad.
@@gettriggered_ian3269 "normies" you are so cringe
Ah yes, the Tribunal of Scottzura, Drewethia, and Mikephala gracing us with their knowledge. Praise the three.
AnCap wizards with clone-daughter-wives residing in a giant mushroom containing a quarantine with the last member of an “extinct” race within. Telvanni all the way
Heyhey people
Sseth jokes aside, House Telvanni is best house
That’s just one wizard though
He's like Joe Exotic but I want to emulate him even more.
Currently doing my first Morrowind playthrough to hold me over til TES 6.
Have fun and watch for Cliff Racers. 🦅
@@blazedgamingkr Killed a lot of em so far. Pretty sure I'm level 8-9
In Morrowind the strongest class is a spellsword or battlemage, because the magic system is much better than Skyrim. The same goes with Oblivion, there you can even be a pure mage and still have max armor with alteration shield spell, and one hit kill with a master destruction spell.
@The Stock Trader gonna do every other game too. Still haven't beaten my first Morrowind character either
Still on that Morrowind playthrough before TES 6? LOL
These videos are basically the equivalent to my skooma addiction
One thing that's overlooked for redoran is that their sigil is actually of Lorkhan
The Ebonheart pact makes a lot more sense than people give it credit. I'm not a big fan of ESO, but Nords, Orcs, and Dunmer seem to value Lorkhan's creation at face value in ways the other races don't. All three are deeply rooted in accepting and overcoming the world in it's harshest condition. Historically, it's a stretch, given the political tensions, but culturally and spiritually they do seem oddly similar.
Very helpful, my character is about ready to choose a house. Thinking of going Telvani this time.
I didn't play morrowind until long after skyrim so I chose redoran.
The Ordinators wearing Nerevar's face and protecting his murderers reminds me of Michael Altman and the Unitologists from Dead Space; a cult formed from a lie praising a man that died fighting against everything they stand for. Just one further insult added to so very much injury. The Tribunal deserve the shallow graves and eternity of suffering I granted them.
Especially Vivec and Almalexia, they are full of themselves and deny the whole murder doesn't existed in the first place.
@@weirdreportt that makes sense tho, their anticipations both have deceit baked into them
Sotha Sil was the most caring of the Tribunal, but that's because Azura is the most caring of the good daedra
@@weirdreportt what I like in Tribunal, is that they're not the same people as Vek, Set and Almalexia (was she called differently before "ascending"?) before the whole thing. Their characters changed a lot, when they could comprehend more. They made a pretty cool religion, that "makes sense", it's mostly Vivek's domain. Sotha Sil went along and juat agreed to whole godhood but all he cared was clockwork city. Both of them can look at whole Tribunal from 3rd person perspective, understand how they seem to others, why they are doing what they are. 36 Lessons is just amazing set of myths that serve a purpose. Almalexia supposedly got drawn so much into "play" that she took everything they made up as truth. And, I mean, Almalexia and Vivec might have cheated Azura to be revered and powerful for the sake of it, but in fact they were good gods for their people. Show the path one should take. Show that to everything is a consequence (Baar Dau and Tribunal itself). They were helping, but didn't tribunal ex machina everything, altough they could. It was about hope and refining culture more than being almighty. Yes, Almalexia just lost it and killed Sotha Sil, and from ESO we might learn it was prophesied long time ago, so clearly she was into that being almighty and revered shit, but that was during crappy times and I won't play the devil's advocate or nothing in this case xD they knew that would happen, Vivec was chill, i imagine Sotha was aswell, and as to that killing of Nerevar. We don't know. We can find hints that something worked not in a pretty way, but they could be sorry for not being able to help him survive too. Or, given how whole mythology of Almsivi mixes pure bs with facts, to create image of tribunal, the possibility of them making it look like they killed him but didn't isn't that ridiculous ;p
Long story short, i think that they are cool, and did +/- the best what 3 elfs could do for their people with godlike powers (you also don't see them just conquering Tamriel, sooo). And while I'm sceptic to naming powerful being in fantasy a god, I dare to say they were truly living gods
@@karolfortuna8522 This is written well, I see your points I'll tackle them individually.
Firsty, Sotha Sil is Sotha Sil, even before their ascension as ALMSIVI. His name as Lord Seht were just a recent name given to him by his followers during his time as one of Tribunal and during his work in Clockwork City. He is the only Chimer in Tribunal that had a full name - given that he belongs to the now gone - House Sotha in Vvardenfell. The young Seht was the only survivor during Mehrune's attack in House Sotha. It is a reminder that he didn't diminish for what he was before thus remaining to call himself Sotha Sil.
It is true that among the three, Almalexia fully immersed herself in the play that they all should be playing in the first place, taking acts as facts and denying the bitter truths altogether. This contradicts Seht, as he himself was aware and still believes even in the bitterest truth - I might say he is the wisest of the three. If you played Clockwork City in ESO, he hinted that he still regrets that time during the Red Mountain and him betraying his old best friend, however, what was done was done and they should focus on something that can be a greater good to Tamriel/Morrowind. He also accepts that what he did will soon have a price to pay (Ayem killed Seht in TES: Morrowind, Nerevarine being successful; Tribunal losing their divinity). This is why among the three, despite having their divinity, Seht secluded himself to the point that even his followers don't see him that often, he doesn't care of him being a Living God, but rather using it to drive into his true purpose. He dedicated himself truly to the Clockwork world he is building, a utopia he dreamed of as a child. But even that isn't that perfect, so did his mental health being in decline as time goes by.
I don't see that ALMSIVI made up that they killed Nerevarine. They *actually* killed him, Seht vaguely confessed this in Clockwork City and is feeling bad until the day he is murdered by Almalexia. What I was thinking is that the reason why they - Seht started to kill him is that he is the only loose end they would need to tie to achieve their divinity - since Indoril Nerevar is the champion and agent of Azura, and the three of them hated her.
Despite the Tribunal being the Living Gods, they still have their lapses and mortal weaknesses and it really shows. After all, they are just living Gods, even Vivec couldn't save himself nor his city alone when Deadric Princes such as Sheogorath or Clavicus Vile tries to destroy or steal his divinity. It's kinda tragic that the three of them sought divinity just to help their fellow Chimer (now Dunmer), people by betraying their leader and their Deadric Gods. I think you can really tell how I am biased towards Lord Seht here, but among the three he is the only one who's fully aware of his actions - in the past, present, and future and fully acknowledges and owns it. Vivec is pretty chill and interesting character, however, his *duality nature* is contradicting sometimes. As Seht mentioned, Vivec is drawn into beauty and perfection in any form but failed to acknowledge and accept his and the world's lapses, failures, and regrets.
Personally, I see them as lost people, desperately trying to become the top - the Gods in order to fully help their people and Tamriel completely. Sadly, they can't even save themselves. Like our player character, despite being a prophecized figure, we are still *prisoner* in the TES Universe, bound into something inevitable regardless of choices. Seht admitted that even the Tribunal, are still prisoners of the grander reality. However, among the three only Vivec achieved CHIM due to his duality nature, which helped him achieved CHIM - accepting that everything can be edited and fantasy while remaining his *identity* without ZERO-Summing.
@@weirdreportt Right, I forgot about House Sotha, I'm still confused about their names and stuff, and Ayem was the one i was looking for, so thanks ^^; I agree with everything, except maybe with Vivec's contradicting himself being a bad thing. Personally I like it as it shows that there's no one true way of being, it adds to whole myth, as we can't know the truth, and maybe all is truth (obviously that's not the case, but theoretically we can't prove that ;D)
I dare to say, that both Seht and Vivec are similarly wise, when it comes to their position, goods and wrongs, but the difference is that Vivec is passionate about it and truly believes in their capabilities as gods, while Seht is more down to earth.
I think that all of them knew since the beginning how it'll end. Like saving themselves was never an option. They had ambitions to be great, they were obliged to use their godhood in acomplishing specific things (Seht in ESO explained that very well, unfortunately i'm still halfway trough base of TES 3) They had their destinies to fulfill but I do imagine they could not do that? Theoretically they could abandon everything, pack their stuff and leave, but in being ultimately "rightful" they did not.
Culture of Dunmeri people surely did change because of that Three and I believe it had a purpose. And yeah, theoretically they faced their doom, but they had a pretty good and long lives so far, so feels like a fair deal to me ;D
Thanks for tackling my points ;p I still am not used to using many words and probably i wasn't creating sentences properly so sorry for my "essays" sounding rather.. unrefined let's say (also because i can't find a more proper word xD)
You guys have no idea how much I needed an elder scrolls podcast after my day at work. Thanks gents and keep up the great work!
Great timing, was just about to make some food and needed something to listen to 🤙
As much as the dunmer would hate it, they are very similar with altmer in terms of xenophobia as thinking they are better than the other races
At least the Dunmer mostly keep to themselves (expect for Black Marsh of course) unlike the Altmer
One of my fav RPs in Skyrim was Helosi Redoran. A young member of House Redoran that was left for dead on Solsteim after a successful coup by Telvanni, Dress, or other dark groups if you're into that, that nearly destroyed his house. Alternate Start Mod makes for tons of interesting ways to RP. Keep up the great work guys. The amount of research that you guys do is amazing, let alone the name pronunciation skills that you guys have now.
Funnily enough, I’m playing morrowind currently with this running in the back ground
Got it on my phone and have them talking in the background. Is nice
Lmao what a bunch of n'wahs I'm playing Skyrim.
@@flawless_Cowboy thems fightin words, you swit!
@@DrTarte I'll teach you not to talk to me that way, fetcher!
@@flawless_Cowboy Ill have you know I've got wealth beyond measure, outsider!
Always pleasantly reminded that a new week has come with the new ES Podcast episode.
I haven't left my home in weeks and have lost all notion of time.
Hell yes I’ve been waiting since literally the first podcast for this
33:37 Scott went Kiwi with "weathered the storm"
"Suicide is badass!" - Scott from Fudgemuppet
There is a quest in Morrowind where you buy a Dunmer Slave to have her marry an Ashkkan so that shows they will enslave other Dark Elves as well. It's possible she was an outlander though.
my favorite part of that quest is that he knows that you were bullshitting him all along because he wants to marry a high born Telvanni bride, but she's clearly not lol.
I remember an early playthrough where I was doing a bunch of twin lamps quests and killed the character that sells her to you, and was surprised when I got the "the thread of prophecy has been severed" message lol
For elder scrolls online I think you could have : Dunmer Altmer Bosmer as the elven/magical alliance, Nord Orc Argonian as the warrior/tribal culture alliance and then Khajit Redguard and Breton as the diplomatic/trading alliance. They mixed them up just to have everything geographically close and to have each alliance have a 33% split of proficiencies though I believe.
That music tho, it's seriously so good and so nostalgic it is slowly curing me from covid lemme tell you !
This podcast is perfect timing! After watching you guys’ and Camelworks’ Morrowind content, and PatricianTV’s analysis of Morrowind (minus his main quest overview), I’ve finally started my first playthrough of Morrowind. I’m super stoked to watch this video!
Can you do a video on what actually happens with your soul, when you serve several Daedra?
I just think it's funny to imagine the Princes bickering over who owns you.
Well the Neravarine is immortal and went to the east to Akavir so no one claimed their soul, (if they're still alive) or was claimed by Azura most likely. The character in Oblivion turned into Sheogorath so basically was claimed by him. The Last Dragonborn will either be an immortal servant of Hermaus Mora or since they are a Shezarrine, a reincarnation of Lorkhan and Shor, their soul cannot be claimed by a Daedra. It still would be a really cool topic!
12:55 I've always wondered what House Hlaalu was before the arrival of Tiber Septim and the Empire. And seen their ties with the Cammona Tong, their greed and their sly, untrustworthy attitude, I sort of imagine them as a clan of fences who saw an opportunity when the Empire arrived, much like the real life maffia who do business with just about anybody.
One more thing about Hllalu I found hypocritical was despite them being anti-slavery all of the big Hllalu plantations in the areas north of Vivec rely on slave labor plus the ebony mine near Caldera also relies on slave labor. Since they are the business house it makes sense that they would want to utilize slaves to maximize profit and that their anti-slavery stance is more or less a front to ingratiate themselves within the empire.
This is why I LOVE Sundays (no matter whether I have to work or not)! Thank you so much guys!!! ^^
Sunday and monday are absolute P O G for me, get some sweet juicy Elder Scrolls lore right as i wake up, and then stay up late and get my SCP fix from The Exploring Series right as i go to bed
@@Spike2276 Cool, man! 👍
I've never heard of the SCP Foundation before. I'll check that out sometime.
@@mirkrahven it's a really good universe to explore, especially if you're used to the very outlandish and metaphysical Elder Scrolls fuckery, you can start off in the SCP universe and still wrap your head around it fairly easily
And if you're into creepy shit then there truly is no better fictional universe
Anyone else surprised on how much Scott dont know about the Dunmer? He did not know Malyn Varen from the quest azuras star. He had no clue about Turala who summoned Mehrunes Dagon, and lastly had no idea who Therana was. I am not trying to be offensive, just astonishingly surprised.
@@thomasrosendahl2783 he remembered the characters, it's honestly impossible to keep track of every name in the Elder Scrolls
39:00 - Here's a thing that maybe isn't being thought about here though. Dunmer are elves. Which means it takes them significant time to repopulate, right? Or at least they repopulate more slowly than the human races do. So I imagine that maybe this is part of what has made their recovery slower. Plus, Red Mountain is still spewing out ash. Presumably that makes living in actual Vvardenfell pretty difficult. Which would imply that, essentially, Morrowind has lost like half or a third of its habitable landmass. Which would also be a problem in and of itself. Plus, we don't know what effects the continuous problems with Red Mountain are having on the climate there. Maybe the amount of stuff it spews out on a regular basis is enough to block out significant sun. Which would mean lower crop yields. Which are a problem for any medieval-like society.
1:03:43 yes please!! I'd listen to that podcast. About their history, and also the impact they had on dunmer during the events in ES3 Morrowind.
I ADORE this podcast so much! I am so happy this is a thing! I love your discussions and the insane amount of lore you guys just seem to know from the top of your head. also, drew has the most relaxing story teller voice, even if he is just talking (that was probably also a reason why the daedric prince series was my fav, i felt quite immersed in this world where i listen to a daedrologist). Would you consider making a video or a podcast about the Direnni? they are always mentioned at the side, but rarely really talked about
I hope the direnni make it into the next game!
The Ebonheart pact wasn't made out of fondness of each other but for necessity to survive against the United 2 other factions
It was formed to deal with the Akiviri Invasion of the Second Era. They then expanded it to protect their interests against the Dominion and Covenant.
Lmao I guess I’m delusional and a sellout freak to these guys for accepting Bethesda writers evil propaganda but the pact seems perfectly reasonable to me 😅 and after playing through it and seeing the obvious tension between the races but unites over multiple obviously HUGE threats ... seems legit to me
@@dadshirt6681 exactly. Just looking at the basics doesn't show the fact that there was, in fact, a good number of points of tension that they worked through.
@@dadshirt6681Same
Always entertaining to watch Scott simping for Dunmer 🤣
Further touching on the association of Dagoth Ur and House Dagoth with music and sound, when looking at Keening, the metal arms are similar in appearance to a tuning fork (which is used as a resonator to tune acoustic instruments). The crystalline blade on Keening can also be associated with tone and sound, given the existence of Crystal Oscillators which are used to adjust frequencies (there is also further association with crystals in music, such as with crystal "singing" bowls, which create different pitched tones through resonance).
I know I'm addicted to Elder Scrolls when this podcast is my best coffee companion
Scott’s interruption skill is at 100
I could listen to anyone talk about the Great Houses for hours. I haven't played Morrowind (yet), but I'm getting there.
Yay do love a good podcast from 3 of the best. Great house of Fudgemuppet 😉 thank you team ❤️
everyone: ...
House Hlaalu: C A P I T A L I S M
Hell ye
Goodness boys, that last bit about the 6th house and their use of tonal magic underground, like the dwemer, blew my mind. thanks!
You wonderful people your timing is perfect as always!
I fooking LOVE House Telvanni
Thanks for making my weekend guys!
Just started my first morrowind playthrough and this came out a sing from Azura!
Stick with it.
It's by far the best game, but can take a minute to get it.
Modding can enhance an Ajay incredible game by a lot
The ebonheart pact makes sense to me in the sense that it's not that nords, dunmer. And argonians needed to work together, but rather theybjad a mutual agreement that they'd rather work together to be 3 independent nations rather than serve the aldmeri Dominion or the daggerfall covenant
YES more Morrowind lore! i love it lol, nice one guys!
I have a cool theory suggestion for the channel: I often entertain the idea that the events of Oblivion also involve a major Daedric Prince that nobody really thinks about, and that’s Vaermina. How often it is said that she abuses, feeds and perhaps even uses mortals and their dreams for power? Let me be clear, how much of Dagon’s revolution would change the dynamics of the world that we know of? And how would that affect certain Princes, like Vaermina? There are instances where it is said that the Daedric Princes have complex relations and politics, and there are often struggles that pass completely unseen by us mortals. If you still don’t get what I’m talking about, here’s the tea: there is a certain Patrick Stewart that in the literal first minutes of the Oblivion game explain about the dreams he has of the soon-to-be Hero of Kvatch, but we only have a hero because the Emperor trusted the prisoner, gave them the Amulet of Kings and set the story that we know about up to Dagon’s failure. But why did the Emperor behave that way, how was he alerted to such prisoner, and why did he trust him? Was it a innate gift of seeing into the future? Was it his special blood? Or was it perhaps OMENS and DREAMS, my dear friends. We have a motive, maintain order as is to her precious human dreams farm, and we absolutely have a know-how of manipulation. Every time that I watch the whole intro of Oblivion and the sewers tutorial with the Emperor, I can’t help it but to entertain this notion that it was Vaermina herself that set up this whole plan into motion to preserve the world to her own gain. Also, we don’t even know how the prisoner ended up in that cell in the first place, could it have been another Daedric Prince playing with the world so Dagon couldn’t have his ways? I love the subtlety of this theory, and how we’d have to put the pieces together... Tell me what you think about it! I’d love more videos about Vaermina in this channel. Thanks for reading until here!
There are plenty of mages, but House Telvaani are proper wizards
Ty for this. I needed something to enjoy have had pretty bad week
I think the important thing to remember about the ebonheart pact is that it is a defensive pact. Without the alliance, the other two alliances pose an even greater threat to all three provinces. They were also invaded by the Kamal snow demons which probably helped them that they were not invincible. Plus with all the other major crises going on at the time such as the planemeld, it’s better to have allies, even if you don’t like them, such as when the Soviets teamed up with the Americans temporarily against the Nazis because they posed a bigger threat at the time.
I think the red mountain thing may be due to Dunmer lifespan. It is still told as a recent event for us because it's still the first or second generation of Dunmer following the eruption.
I like the Alliange war to be honest. Aldmeri dominion and daggerfall covenant is understandable since Ayrenn WAS a one of a kind Altmer. And they helped the Khajiit during knahaten flu. Ebonheart fact... I just think it's neat to bitter enemies to begrudging allies.
Redoran are almost like Ashlanders that have chosen to follow the Tribunal, they thrive off the harsh land, use what little it gives to the fullest, and embody the whole “mortality is a test and itself path to transcendence if rise to the challenge” thing. Morrowind the game also always characterized them as being almost unconcerned totally with politic, and considered to be a distant 3rd to Hlaalu and Telvanni who themselves were rabidly ambitious. They maintain that top 3 position by simply weathering all hardship and just doing what they’re good at, fighting, surviving, finding shells, reading sad poetry
In Elder Scrolls Online the Dunmer had Goblins as slaves but so did the Aylieds and Altmer.
I wouldn’t mind a podcast about the Nordic empire or the East and west Skyrim conflicts, these podcasts are great to listen to while exploring Skyrim and enslaving bandits with the ritual stone
My favorite is House Dres. I always RP House Dres Dunmer in ES games
As a huge Morrowind fan I've been waiting for this one 😁
Drinking game: Take a shot every time one of them says "you know"
I might die If I did that 😂
I always figured that the original "fifth" great house was Sotha, and that its kind of a rotating position, which was later held by Hlaalu and Sadras
Telvanni send their mouths to the meeting… 👀👀👀 So wise, but sounds like they must give out a lot of brain too…
The Mouth is the spokesperson for the House.
I join Telvanni after doing a large cunk of the Mages Guild (enough to get the ring and staff quests). After joining Telvanni, I kill the Archmaster of the Mages Guild by taunting him into attacking so I can get his amulet without losing access to the teleporters. Ironically I helped with finding the Telvanni spy long before, only to become one myself
Hlaalu was always my favorite House in Morrowind! I loved their cosmopolitanism and loved walking the fine line between pragmatism and venality. I found Redoran simple and rigid, and Telvanni surprisingly brutish in their outlook.
I would love if they completely redid Morrowind to bring the graphics up to date, voice all the dialog, and overhaul some of the combat. As long as they kept the story-it was awesome to begin with-and stuff like the astrological signs, the classes, etc.
Skywind. You want Skywind. A fanmade recreation of TES III: Morrowind in the Skyrim engine.
Oh I joined house hualu and wiped out the other ones.Loved owning a egg mine
Hail house indoril
In the Crimean war the UK and France where allies, which is waaay more unlikely than the ebonheart pact, if we are looking at things based on history.
The French didn’t enslave the British.
As to the state of Morrowind, at least in my language Neloth said “rebuilding of Vivec took us decades” meaning the location that started the red year was restored, so it’s likely better than completely destroyed
Well Scott, Drew, and Michael. I know you've played /some/ ESO, but it seems like you weren't paying attention in stonefalls or deshaan when it was being hinted that the Tribunal was already on the decline, nor the Morrowind expansion when it is confirmed Dagoth Ur /is/ already stirring and the Tribunal already can't go up red mountain and restore their power. The Ebonheart Pact is formed for the same reason the Armistace is signed.
Redoran suffered less to the eruption of red mountain. My guess is the Argonians didn't desire to conquer the Dunmer but to strike out at them as more of a warning or retribution. House Redoran answered in kind.
30:00 kinda hard to defeat an established military with just freed slaves.
You gotta love that music in the intro
I was just about to search a video of yours on the topic. LOL! I started playing Morrowind because of you guys, I am ashamed because didn't started earlier. Now, I feel the same way when I discovered Skyrim🙏😀
Can you guys do a podcast on an assortment of the lesser talked about daedric races such as the Skaafin for example? I love my Sunday mornings listening to this!
Ages have passed and I still come back to play for House Hlaalu
Every Sunday I make breakfast with yall playing in the background and I just really appreciate yalls dedication. Hopefully Elder Scrolls VI features the Nerevarine returning from Akavir with the lost Dragonborn Emperor heir to defeat the Thalmor and restore the Empire/Morrowind
Man that would seriously be an epic story!
The Ebonheart Pact itself is the very reason I, at first, thought ESO came after Skyrim in the timeline...and then saw Vivec and was hopelessly confused lol
3 years late but the whole conversation at 39:30 about Skyrim's story being better off if it was set 30 years after Oblivion rather than 200 can also be applied to the Fallout series, specifically Fallout 3. IDK what Bethesdas obsession with time skips is
Scott’s pure, unadulterated hatred of the Ebonheart Pact never ceases to amuse me
A new Podcast! Lets gooooooooo!
We really need a house Dagoth podcast
I would argue an issue with redoran that I've recently come into and was watching this to try and figure out. Being so pious and dutiful how do they approach the daedra considering the wintersun mod requiring sneaky killings and killing the innocent which conflicts with the house ideology
I would love to see a Link build
The thing about a crisis/feud lasting longer in fantasy is elves live a long time and their memories aren't as short as humans, so they would hold grudges for longer or for more generations as their historical memory is deeper than ours.
Also there are plenty of examples of human cultures that have been at war for so long that they forget why
This ones for the algorithm :)
Skyrim's 200 year gap from Oblivion is the best thing about its lore imo
My Redguard Pure mage definitely going with House Telvanni.
There are decades where nothing happens and there are weeks where decades happen
House Hlaalu is basically the Baked Alaska of Morrowind.
Wasn't the Dark Elf student in the college of Winterhold a Telvani wizard in Skyrim?
I always fell bad for the elves in the gray quarter. Then I remeber morrowind and how the dark elves are so much worse than the Nords in term of racism.
I mean the Dunmer never committed genocide unlike the Nords, nor do they have a history of expansionism.
@@nwahnerevar9398 yeah but....slavery
@@synner707 The Nords invaded Morrowind out of jealousy, then got booted out when the Chimer and Dwemer teamed up against them. Say what you will about the Dunmer, but they didn't exterminate an entire race, nor did they imbue a weapon with genocidal hatred against other races.
Sorry unrelated question vampires when they die and go to coldharbor are they treated with respect or like slaves?
Most likely slaves. Molag Bal is the Prince of Domination.
I wish other provinces were as detailed as the Morrowind. I hope we get more complexity with the situation in High Rock or Hammerfell (or both, hopefully) in ES6, besides east vrs. west, progressive vrs. conservative, etc.
I think house hlaalu gets a bad wrap, I used to really enjoy house redoran but the more I got involved with them I just came to see them as a bit too stubborn or idiotic for their own good, amazing warriors that they are, but then I got to house hlaalu and I kind of respect them in a weird way, dont get me wrong they have some very very weird members (like most houses do I think) and they are capable of cultivating bad eggs, they still have the ability to swallow their pride and thrive in whatever circumstances morrowind finds itself in. I sort of started viewing them a bit like the lannisters of morrowind, value in gold, prosperity in deals, alliances and cunning, but that doesnt mean they arent as capable as the other houses.
The Telvani are basically just magical Orks and I love that.
Well. Orcs will fight each other for breeding rights and authority but it’s for the genetic survival of the clan; any lesser Orc can rise in the ranks and only breed if he becomes chieftain because Orcs don’t have a homeland and they want to collectively survive, but they’re civil, have a rich culture and they work well together. The Telvanni are like a group of rabidly individualistic and ambitious Rick Sanchezs that almost utterly lacks civility or cohesion, it’s like a gated community of sociopaths and mad scientists, and power is the only law.
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Orks, not Orcs. Very important difference.
@@frolicsomgaiety OP meant the Orks of Warhammer 40k, not those literally shit-stained Orsimer.
redoran is the objectively best house
It's so strange that the house that considers gravity, the inherent seriousness of life, to be a major virtue and guiding principle would fanboy over Vivec of all people