From my pov, by claiming the group can't exist without a manager, the girls admitted the success of the group is due to MHJ, not their talent and hard work. Also I think the girls acted as extremely spoiled, whinny, entitled, childish and arrogant. Also, they dissed their company terribly publicly. Which label would hire them now? I'd never.
@@n-silvabts9178 Unless SM pay for their contract, otherwise they will have to wait for another five years. HYPE dropped all their plan for the future now, its all on Mhj and ADOR to promote and invest on them. So it’s either they have enough money to break the contract early, or they will have to try two or three times harder without HYPE promoting them.
@@n-silvabts9178They dont have money to break contract tho, that’s why mhj and NJ tried so hard to create drama and accused HYPE mistreating them so they can walk away free. But now everything settled and Nj still couldn’t break the contract or mhj back as ceo. They will have to stay at ADOR for another 5 years. Also, HYPE announced to drop all Nj plans on the future, now Nj is all on ADOR and mhj, HYPE will no longer promote them.
I think that because they didn't get their own way with the new CEO, they see it as mistreatment. Min Hee Jin had them in a bubble, and they were used to being spoiled.
She might not have pampered them the way they are used to. They are getting a reality check with the new team and CEO that's why they feel they are being mistreated.
Fr if they are mistreated by hybe where is the evidence to support that claims? I guess there is none considering the fact that hybe is being very generous with them including mhj even if you’re a fan or not it’s still obvious that they are getting the best treatment in the whole K-pop industry early since their debut.
It's crazy how MHJ has such control over these girls. I’m 100% convinced that the girls' parents were promised something, likely ownership or shares from the company. All I know is that the adults have failed these girls. I was supportive of them initially, but after the livestream, I can't see myself ever listening to their music again.
HYBE is operating as a company...doing what companies are supposed to do. This narative that keeps going around re not being on HYBE side like they are evil is really annoying. As a leader in an organisation myself and also following this situation closely HYBE has been operating in the best interest of the company, the idols, the staff and the investors. This is a bigger corporate issue that has to be dealt with delicately by the organisation. This is not understood by most persons.
This right here! Stans are investing emotion into a company when it should be all business. You can’t make good investments based on emotions but on data and the best interest for the *company* .At the end of the day, there’s no true way to have ethical consumerism. So this “Hybe is evil (tweeted from your iPhone)” is counter productive.
Nah only bunnies and some crazy stans are actually backing up Nj and calling them brave, the rest (Korean netizens included) criticized Nj/Hanni for being so arrogant and entitled.
Hype gave mhj an opportunity to keep producing and directing nj . She declined! if the main problem was that nj would keep their style she would have accept the offer but she clearly wants money. hype is protecting their company. they have evidence that she is not in a good state to be ceo. ppl jump on hating hype saying " oh they are bad" Im not a hybe defender but is crazy how ppl are defending that woman. I also believe no such extraordinary mistreatment happened. they were on billboard, they are ambassadors of brands and go to fashions shows. Its didn't have any of that until their five year after hard work and they didn't give up.
@@yomarysanchez6263 ...Whats this statement about not being a HYBE defender... What has HYBE done except exist as a company. This HYBE hate is getting old.
It's like saying with or without NJ Hybe will still stand. It has many labels and each label has their own "ace" group.. And even though BTS are in the military they are still selling and earning well because of the projects BTS members prepared ahead of time... like Merch, Singles , collab, documentaries.. etc ...
@@YTpsychMyths2 it's like analyst who predict future earnings for a company, they have already discarded NJ profits from future earnings. Example an oil company has a Oil well out of service but the other 49 is still working and a old well Gfriend is coming back on line.
So it’s like a pre-determination of sorts based on the current stocks, revenue and earnings of a company? Am I understanding it right? I’m also new to this term so I’m learning something new here as well.
" New CEO doesn't trust them" I wouldn't either. If there wasn't mistreatment before, there might be now. If they stay, that mistrust will always be there. At least the relationship with them an HYBE will never be the same I think Min -Hee Jin is a narcissistic psychopath or sociopath. Not in a hyperbolic way but if they did a real psych evaluation on her, she clinically be deemed at least a narcist .
I'm a Korean who lives in S Korea, and let me tell you that fandoms of other HYBE idols(BTS, TXT, LS, you name it) have recently been showing united movements to support ILLIT, whom MHJ has dissed as an "inferior copycat" of NJ. Even if you don't know about the details of this incident, IMO, that fact above alone speaks volumes.
@@you-know-whoofficials9932 you mean the general public? actually there are mixed reactions. there are a lot of people who weren't so pleased about how HYBE was managing their business(a.k.a they are way TOO after money, etc.), so those people may stay a bit sympathetic to MHJ. but there are also a lot of people like myself who think what MHJ says are a little too fishy. The comments on the mainstream media YT channels are "too much" on favor of MHJ, though. Not quite sure what's going on there in the comment section, but I don't think that's real "general public" opinion at all. Something's definitely going wrong there.
Because those Hybe idols are also being targeted by MHJ.. and many Armys were NJ fans just because they are branded as Bts younger sisters. Army supported NJ UNTIL these issues were known. Obviously Armys would retract their support of the group and people (like MHJ) or anybody who wanted to do harm to BTS. And when you say United movement, as an International fan would say.. MAYBE most MULTISTAN but many of us are for BTS only. We just pity those innocent girls for being dragged into the mess. And i truly hope NJ would open their eyes and see how manipulative MHJ is.
The thing is helping NJs won't help them learn anything. Maybe their path is to go through this and learn a life lesson; to not trust narcissists. I think they'll realize it eventually. If they want to succeed they will have to deal with whatever comes with that. They need to learn and see for themselves how narcissists function so that in the future, they can spot who is manipulating and who isn't. Edit: Min Heejin has been causing problems for everyone since day 1 and is still going. She has been manipulating everything. I just saw a video on the evidence that was shown publicly at one point. Heejin is something, I still can't believe she got away with all of this. But right now she is getting the consequences of her actions. She dragged everyone (the public, the fans, the other groups, HYBE, BTS, SM groups, etc.) into this to just stir up trouble. She caused this disruption for her own gain, almost like it was a game for her. Who does this kind of thing? 🤦🏻♀ Those girls will need a long time to recover from this one, with therapy.
The video I watched is called this: " How Min Heejin Snatched NewJeans From Source Music | 다시 보는 민희진 씨의 쏘스뮤직 뉴진스 탈취극 (디스패치 기사 영문 번역) " by the channel HYBE BOY. I would share the link but RUclips deletes links sometimes. Well, Min Heejin was lying and manipulating. This isn't the leader of a company that you want. This isn't what a real leader would do. We know what a good leader can do, and Namjoon is a good example. I just hope people, now are seeing what Min Heejin is actually like.
I thought we were done with all of this, but then NewJeans had to add something to it. Now, we're back to this mess again. When will it end? It's so sad Min Heejin actually knew she could manipulate NewJeans and they would listen to her without question. She got rid of the other girls that were probably meant to debut. The whole time consulting that shaman. Some people still don't see this manipulation tactic. She isolated the NewJeans girls. The fact is Source Music and HYBE did plan to debut them first, but you know what happened. This woman just wanted her way. Source Music already had plans to debut NewJeans first with the song "Attention" and there were more than 6 members. They just needed the branding for it which was Min Heejin's job, but she kept delaying it for months. She wanted to have her own thing. And then blamed it all on HYBE and Source Music. This is stuff you already know. It's clear what Min Heejin was doing.
I still can't get over the mistreatment accusations. This is what rich spoiled brats would say. "Ceo didnt greet me in the elevator". I used to enjoy their music but now cant really stand them especially after their live stream
this still bugs me a lot too tbh … like the horror stories we hear from other companies and the worst they have is a manager telling her minor idols to reduce communication. I saw the girls true colors
Same. They’re spoiled, entitled, outrageously disrespectful and if that were a male group behaving that way, they would have been crucified in the media and lost their careers. I have ZERO sympathy for them now.
@@krenskywarren7422 this whole situation is like a step back for women empowerment. From her leaked messages saying women are dumb and can never be like her to bad mouthing her former female employee that is suing also suing her.
@@DUNGSTA Who wants to say hi to a group of girls who were complicit to that nut job’s accusations of plagiarism and everything else. I hope those girls are uncomfortable walking through the halls of Hybe after what they’ve said - the damage they’ve done - about the other girl group! They’ve been living like princesses in a castle when the other Hybe groups have been living in a much different environment. They haven’t had to sacrifice anything. I can’t stand them now.
The thing is that the NJ members claimed that MHJ didn’t know that they were doing this live,but MHJ gave interview and she that she told the girls not to do the live stream. But they did it anyway. So the girls lied saying that no one knew that they were giving this livestream. I think MHJ told them to do the livestream and then when people were upset or angry about it she then threw them under the bus and claimed that she tried to tell them not to do the livestream.
That definitely sounds like something she would do. Tell them to do the live stream, and then throw them under the bus when NJ gets major backlash for it. Anything to make herself look better or make her hands look more clean. If she really did, tell them to do the live stream, which I do believe she did tell them to do it, and People found out about that, it would make MHJ look worse than she already does.
Those people who tell you that only Koreans understand this matter are MHJ fans and say those things because they can’t argue honestly and intellectually. No matter the language, what’s right is right and what’s wrong is wrong. I’m a Korean and I know what MHJ is doing is wrong. Even the Korean court acknowledged that she tried to undermine Hybe; the court just stated that the way Hybe removed MHJ didn’t followed proper procedure. The NJ’s live stream was a total disaster for them. They stepped out of their boundary by demanding from Hybe to give the Ador CEO position to MHJ while displaying so much disrespect. They must thought they were the queens of Hybe or something. MHJ, NJ, and most of their fandoms became a cult like entity.
The injunction court at May said, "Although MHJ betrayed Hybe, but because Ador did not damage so Hybe cannot fire MHJ regarding the contract". Judge said Hybe and Ador is different entities. In SK law, board director of a company can fire the CEO. So Hybe changed the directors of Ador except MHJ. Then board directors of Ador fired their CEO. So Hybe DID NOT FIRE MHJ.
Hybe recently offered MHJ to work with NJ as inside director with a board seat not only that but as producer too for 5 years, but she decline. Clearly MHJ want CEO seat to cash out her Ador stock options, it's never about NJ, too bad the NJ girls didn't know that about their CEO-nim.
Mhj just yesterday posted in her ig a screenshot of one of the NJ members congratulating her for her speech at the Hyundai event. Everything she does is using these girls to validate and boost herself. Im not a NJ fan, but I supported them because of Bts. But, now I cant anymore because I dont want to support Mhj. If she is booted out, then will see. I just hope Ador new staff is patient with these girls and can get them counceling. But as a person who has tried to get her friend out from a toxic relationship for years, I recognize that nothing will work until the girls themselves realize what position they are in. I just hope its not too late, when they do.
Saying "you're not korean hence you don't know korean culture" is like saying "you don't know a pilot messed up if you're not pilot yourself", dude if I see helicopter pilot crashed into tree....I don't need to be a helicopter pilot to know that pilot messed up big time.
Exactly, and not MHJ pretending she couldn’t remember the context of those messages when asked about them by the press. “Do you remember what you were talking about from years ago?” 🤦🏾♂️
They say we international fans do not know anything abt what’s going on in Korea.ok fine. May be we don’t. But what we know is, they have lost many of their international support, trust, and people admiration for them. They have completely lost it. So if they think just coz some knets is on their side, they gonna make it big without hybe , they are in delusion for sure. Off course people in Korea or you can say hybe haters who are waiting for their downfall are shaking hands with MHJ and supporting them, but what happens after? They too know mhj true color,are they gonna invest in her?I don’t think so. Are they gonna take new jeans In their company who was openly defaming the company they debuted? Definitely not. So no matter from which angle you see it, they are done. They messed up everything.
Newjeans appears to have no confidence that they will be fine after mhj drama. I guessed they don't believed they have the talent to pull themselves up. I really want to protect them as a fan but I cant do that when they themselves created this so much more mess. It's like they are digging their own grave. Had they been more wise enough they will still continue to be fine if they stay away from the adults drama
@crazysodan7934 MHJ was definitely gaslighting them to believe they couldn't be successful without her. It's unfortunate that they were too blind to see it but at some point you have to take responsibility for your actions and while they may have been victimized by MHJ and greedy parents they are now willing participants in MHJ toxic mess.
@milissadaniels2727 yes, it's sad newjeans is a willing victim, and their attitude even when they are still a budding artist didn't sit right to me, what more if they become more popular, they will show more diva attitude. I stan bts not just because they are good as an artist but is also always grounded and humble.
At this point, NJ members cannot be saved. It seems to me they are fully brainwashed. Have you had any family members got into a cult? It is heartbreaking , frustrating & painful bc you tried but cant save them… at some point, we have to accept that saving them is seen as hostile by the victims. So what we can do is.. keep trying to protect but to wait it out if they come to their senses. If they don’t, then so be it.. Hybe tried, now they just need to do things as contract goes.
Thank you for voicing my whole opinion. I feel sorry for NJ for thinking they are only going to succeed with MhJ side. If that is their mentality, then they don’t have the drive of a real artist. They should move on & really prove to everyone that they succeeded because of their talent not because of MHJ.
on the 25th hybe had a meeting with NJs to discuss all their demands, and they came to the decision that they will not reinstate MHJ as the ceo of ador but she will maintain her position as the girl's creative producer until they disband. I am also angry as bunnies they keep targeting other hybe group, crying about mistreat and treating MHJ like she is a member of MJs is very odd. This people and NJs need to understand is that hybe is not stupid they will not change NJ's sound and concept because that is their money makers but those aspects are not hard to replicate because NJs concept is very simple and minimalistic.
Right, the sound and esthetic of NJ are not hard to replicate. It’s a style and sound that MHJ does not have a patent on, nor does she own the rights to all of that stuff, hair, make up, and concept. It’s all been done before by other groups before she ever did it herself. All she did was revive an old sound from the early 90s and brought it back to the future in 2024, and that’s why their sound is so unique because it takes inspiration from the 90s and late 80s. But that’s not some thing that she invented herself so she shouldn’t treat it as such. I doubt she understands the true meaning of plagiarism. As for the meeting, I’m glad HYBE did not meat NJ’s demands, but I also think HYBE is now counting down to the disbandment date of the group after all of this drama from MHJ and NJ. Thank you for informing me about the meeting. 👍♥️
@@moonlight_antonio that why international kpop stans needs to rediscover 1st gen groups mainly fin.k.l and s.e.s because new jeans is heavily by their fresh youngful concept. as for your last point yeah NJs may get the 4minutes treatment because even though they are a money makers they were being more trouble for the company and their fans affect two other groups specially illit is not helping no one specially when illit concept is more on the innoccent cute side like apink and early 3rd gen ggs had.
MHJ was pumping her chest and bragging about NJ achievements as if they were the breadwinner of the whole company when, in fact, they only contributed to 5-10% of HYBE revenue. They also only sold 38, 000 albums in Japan, but a journalist who is close to MHJ lied and said that NJ sold 1.2 million copies. Also, during their livestream, the girls said that nobody knew about it but in a statement that she gave to KBS, MHJ said she advised the girls against a press conference which means that MHJ knew and did not inform HYBE which constitute as a break of contract. KBS deleted the evidence. K-netzs signed a petition and demanded that KBS explain why they deleted the said statement.
The moment they acted like petulant brats demanding the company to reinstate the very person who’s trying to destroy it, that was the final straw for me. I’ve never liked them. I only kind of tolerated them because BTS seemed to support them. But the poor show of integrity and character turned me off completely. They deserve to go down with their Mama MHJ.
From the moment they were introduced as "BTS's little sisters," I had a bad feeling. I didn’t want anything to be associated with BTS in that way. Our boys have worked incredibly hard to achieve everything they have, yet they remain humble and respectful of everyone. As Lee Hyun rightly said, "If I were in BTS, I’d ask my agency to get me a throne." But our humble kings would never ask for something like that. Instead, they let the world see the strength of their upbringing, shaped by the guidance of their parents, Bang Si-hyuk, and their influence on each other.
@@farhinmakrani5296 Exactly. Our boys made it through their own merits, their resilience, dedication, hard work, strength of character and humility. It pisses me off when other groups would ride on their coattails and get the accolades they don't deserve. I never liked the idea of them being associated with BTS. I had the same feeling you had when people are calling them "BTS' little sisters" The protective mama dragon radar inside of me started going off. I never liked new pants from the start, and this incident gave me validation of my doubts and more than enough reason to not like or support them.
I agree, I think it’s a bad idea to bring out groups and call them BTS’s little brothers and sisters. The groups need to stand out on their own, without using BTS’s name as a crutch to carry their careers through, otherwise it’s just a cop out and it comes across as a bit lazy to market a new group in that way. BTS found their own individuality, other groups need to find theirs as well.
Honestly I believe the majority of the people using the culture card in this case are toxic bunnys & MHJ Stan’s tryin to shut people up in defense of MHJ. I saw BTS haters using those same words when the whole Yoongi sh*tshow was going down. I feel bad for the girls. They are ruining their careers to stand by that greedy woman who couldn’t care less about them.
At the beginning of this saga, a lot of people were advocating to keep the girls out of MHJ's troubles. They dragged themselves in, backed by their parents, and started using the same narcissistic tactics as MHJ. They've talked about "mistreatment", but the only examples have been complaining about the chairman of the conglomerate, (i.e. the founder of Hybe) not greeting them in an elevator. There's nothing more arrogant than that. Not to mention how he bent over backwards to support the creation of Ador and NJ, and to set them up for success. Yes, one can argue that he gave too much, but "hindsight is 20/20". If MHJ had not ended up being greedy and conniving, most people would have celebrated the unwavering support given to Ador and NJ as an example of really backing up a concept. The minute NJ joined MHJ in disparaging Chairman Bang, up to the moment they insulted, supported via petitions the alleged criminal actions of MHJ against Hybe and other Hybe artists, and disrespected the current CEO of Ador, they started writing their own exit. I don't see how any company would want to work with people who behave like this, and who are so entitled, ungrateful and lacking in judgment and wisdom - including their parents, who should know better. I can't see how they can be trusted going forward.
MHJ and Nj have been out smarted and out gunned by HYBE lawyers. I think it will take years of intensive therapy for those young ladies but they have to want it.
I AGREE WITH YOU 1000%. AND SINCE THEY CANNOT GO ON WITHOUT MHJ THEN THEY WILL NEVER SUCCEED. BECAUSE IF YOU ARE AN ARTIST MHJ SHOULD ONLY BE A GUIDE BUT IF THEY ARE NOT FEELNG INDEPENDENT THEN THEY WILL NEVER BE TRUE ARTIST. SINCE THEY ARE SO DEPENDENT. I HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THE GIRLS YOU CANNOT DISRESPECT SOMEONE YOU WORK FOR. EVEN IF YOU DO NOT LIKE HYBE BUT YOU CANNOT DO THIS AND THEIR ATTITUDE WILL BE THEIR DOWN FALL. THEIR PARENTS MUST SHOULD BE PARENTS NOW IF NOT THY WILL END UP BAD.
They are being manipulated. A work culture is a representation of their direct leadership. The group acted within the unprofessional culture they work in. It is unprofessional for any CEO regardless of the country/norms they are bound to, to act this way with their subordinates. It is unfortunate that the girls alluded to a feeling that they cannot continue moving forward with their career without Min Hee Jin. If she truly cared and remained professional the business would continue with or without her. A professional Min Hee Jin would have prepared them to think for themselves, take care of themselves and continue with or without her. All the complaints from New Jeans, Min Hee Jin, and the parents should have been addressed and resolved by ADOR (Min Hee Jin) in coordination the parent Company (HYBE) as that is who works with them more closely on a day-to-day basis. The group was failed by Min Hee Jin, ADOR, their parents, HYBE and to an extent themselves. I agree they are being exploited however they are old enough to understand right from wrong. Everything from press conferences, behavior, etc. demonstrates unprofessionalism and selfishness from a high-level leader Min Hee Jin is supposed to be.
Lets point it out that these girls have only been under mhj from around past the middle of the year 2021 and debuted in 2022(they came from Source Music and I think one from SM). Which shows that they have known how systems change regardless of how much mhj can manipulate them or not. They chose to fight for a boss who has also spoken about other artists as being old and including one of you being fat. Not only that attributing your success to her. Are the girls lacking in critical thinking (let me say that YES) based on what a 15 year old in our house will think/question. However that is based on how the parenting style is in our house. Everyone is told that they can do whatever they put their mind to regardless of whatever circumstances are in their way or not- it is not based on who is your boss: its you and just you. Lets not forget that about 2 or 3 of these girls have grown up/been outside of SK, therefore their they must know that your abilities are not hellbent on just the adults in your life. Now my questions to them, are they going to underperform because mhj is not around as CEO? Lets all watch the space.When they were in school, did they have the same teachers for each year group they moved to? I will assume that their parents are still on mhj's side; are these parents also brainwashed by mhj? They don't live with her nor work with her so how can they all be very gullible? I don't think that they are, I think there must have been a powerful person pushing for the girls to leave Hybe so that they can make their agency and the parents sucked it up. Because parents usually will choose to stay away from work related stuff and support their children quietly unless it is a matter of deaath and life.
Two or three of those girls may be grown as far as physical development, but the other stages of puberty are still at play, and they are not fully developed in them as I brought up in my video. It’s possible that they think they are making these decisions on there own without MHJ influence, because perhaps they really believe in their minds that they’re willingly choosing to defend MHJ without MHJ telling them to, but she could very well be manipulating even that. A mother figure causing a child, teen, or young adult to believe that they are doing something independent of their influence, when in reality, it’s that very influence that the child will “willfully”deny that’s causing them to act in the way that they are acting. Not even realizing that denying the influence is also a part of the manifestation. They may look mature, but they’re not mature, which is why I don’t agree with placing 100% blame and holding them 100% accountable for their actions, when they were taught by MHJ. Everything they have learned so far, they’ve learned from MHJ, she has been their role model for three years, their parental figure for three years, their source of guidance for three years, their covering for three years, there’s no way to get around that crucial fact. MHJ probably put them up to all of this. As for the parents, either they are being manipulated by her as well, or they were in cahoots with her the whole time. I am more inclined to believe the latter is true. Which would make NewJeans parents terrible at choosing the right side to protect their children. But I think the ultimate point that I want to hammer home here is that, even though the girls look mature, have their actions and words proven to be as mature as their appearance? And ultimately, my answer is no. Being a legal adult, doesn’t make you mature the moment, you become a legal adult, that takes time and years of development, and understanding yourself which all fall into the category of the stages of puberty, which they have not fully developed because they’re too young. And the moves that they have made, I strongly believe, we’re not of their own accord, but rather truly at the behest of MHJ.
32:03 I agree with your point on Korean culture. Mistreatment is mistreatment and I think you did a good job presenting the position that new jeans needs help because of getting influenced by m h j
Mistreatment is when the company did not follow the contract. New Jeans work at Ador, not Hybe. Ador and Hybe is different company in legal standpoint. New Jeans received a luxury dorm and paid with good money. Where is the mistreatment?
Question: Why have you never advocated for Hybe…because it’s a rags to riches company that became 10 times bigger than the ‘big 3’ who abused Big Hit and BTS for years? That was Bang’s biggest revenge! I’m not a fan of Sihyuk…but as long as BTS is loyal to him, we have no reason to believe he did anything wrong…other than give that woman too much unsupervised control.
@ArmantoAlex13 It’s nothing against HYBE personally, I’m just not an entertainment company guy. I have no clue what’s happening in HYBE apart from what I already know, as long as they remain a company with integrity and transparency I think they’ll be fine.
@@DUNGSTA Too funny! They’ll be lucky if they last another year…never mind the 11 years BTS has been ruling the industry! BTS paved the way for Idol groups to find success in the west…even the self-important, entitled spoiled girls of NJ! They lack class among other things! Watch and learn from BTS, sweetie!
You said this all very well and I agree. I subscribe to three chanels two who are korean and live in korea and tell those of us who are not Korean the nuances of the language and about the honorifics, etc... One of these people said that having the 16 year old say some of the demands and disses on the girls' live was a slap even to Korean culture and that the girls disrespected the new CEO even just as a person. I too have doubts this was just "their thoughts". Trust is earned the only thing they have shown Hybe and the new CEO is that they can't be trusted. They won't follow the rules, they will breach their contract, etc. As to ignored by the company how can the company even talk to them (certainly not as adults) when all they are going to do is not listen to anything except 'oh you poor babies and certainly we will give you back everything the way it was'. This does involve them or affect them but from a personnel stand point it also doesn't. This is between Hybe and Min Hee-jin. As to Hanni's whining about the other group's manager. Doesn't things change when it comes out that she left a key detail out like the group going by is Illit and they/their label is currently in a lawsuit against Min Hee-jin for saying things that are untrue. The realities will probably bite hard. They have been living in a fantasyland and it is over. No matter if they go somewhere else the real world and the real world of business will be there to wake them up. It is going to take time for these girls to come out from under Min Hee-jin. They need to be completely sparated from her and obviously right now they believe that they can't live without her. It is truly sad. The have been mentally and emotionally abused and we hope nothing more and for years.
@crgirrard4210 also Hanni said she told the new CEO about the Ignore her, that happened in July, way before the new CEO took office. She said it happened recently, but it turns out they reviewed the cctv video, and the only footage with Hanni and Illit on the 4th floor is in July, far from recently, and since there is no audio, the CEO couldn't do anything about it. So now Hanni is stretching the truth and is trying to play the victim just like MHJ. I felt so bad for the girls being used by MHJ, but they have lost any pity I felt for them.
NJ THEIR BEING DISRESPECTFUL TO HYBE...THEIR JUST TO BOASTFUL OF THEM TO FEEL THEIR LIKE BTS TO HAV THE AUTHORITY TO DEMAND... THEIR PARENTS SHLD GIVE THEM ADVICE B4 GOING ON LIVE. ITS SHAMEFUL THEIR CAREER IS OVER AND DOOM.
Danielle literally wasted jungkooks support and thought jk would also support mhj. The heck is wrong with these kids. I guess mhj isn't wrong calling them d*mb.
There’s a new phrase going around-NewJeans fatigue. For a girl group whose charisma is based on freshness, getting themselves involved in this political and social issue gives them a heaviness while other gg’s are performing and greeting fans.
Hype is a public company, and kpop in general is reaching for global audiences and fan followers. Therefore they cannot ask for our support and money but not accept our points of view. You can't have only what's suits you.
Excellent points - based upon practical common sense and a solid business perspectives (not to mention the psychological absurdities of the relationship between NJ & MHJ) It is refreshing to listen to a sane & unbiased evaluation for once.
I THINK EVEN THOUGH HYBE OFFER THEM A PRODUCER. SO THAT IS ROPE TO HANG THEMSELF. THAT IS WHAT HYBE DID HERE IS MHJ LET SEE WHATS HAPPEN. THEY ARE NOT ARTIST I WAS NEVER A FAN AND WHAT THEY SAY ON THIER SPEECH ACCEPTANCE AND THEIR LIVE I WOULD NOT EVEN GIVE THEM LISTEN EVEN IF THEY PERFORM WITH BTS MEMBERS, I WILL NEVER SUPPORT SOMEONE WHO DO NOT KNOW THEMSELVESI AM NOT STAYING OUT OF THIS BUT WE THE WEST SUPPORT KDRAMA AND OUR BELOVED BTS. WE BUY THEIR FOOD ETC. YES THE CULTURE IS DIFFERENT BUT I AM FROM AN ERA THAT YOU SHOULD RESPECT YOUR ELDER. AND EVEN THOUGH BANG PD MIGHT NOT HAVE HIS OWN CHILDREN BUT HE IS THE PERSON WHO AALLOW ME A OLD HEAD TO KNOW BTS. HYBE OR BANG PD MIGHT NOT PERFECT EVERYONE HAS FLAWS BUT . BUT WHAT THEY DID SHOULD BE ALL SENT HOME TO THEIR PARENTS AND FIRE MHJ. BUT SINCE THEY COMPANY WILL BE AT LOSS THEY ARE BEEN FORGIVING SO I WILL UNDERSTAND THERE DESCISION. BUT LONG SUCCESS IS BUILT OF INTEGRITY AND HUMILITY. BUT THIER BUBBLE GUM POP WILL NEVER LAST. EVEN IF THEY SUCCEED AL LITTLE THEY WILL NEVER LAST. IN THE INDUSTRY R THEIR PERSONL LIFE. BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO FOUDATION.
This is not just NJ is being hurt how about other artists under HYBE. Does NJ know or not the basic knowledge like Ador exist with HYBE financial support. So, that’s mean they have to respect the company.
I honestly think they should be disbanded if it is will be what it will take to shake em to reality so they can realize that being arrogant won't help em so they can go to therapy a d after that comr back to k pop
What I personally think? I find it sad because these girls are still so young and everyone calling them out for their bratty behavior in these mass numbers almost feels like bullying, but with the fact that they have been acting this way and their parents are pro-MHJ I feel like all of the adults involved are toxic and the girls are going to end up being just as toxic if not worse because of their childhood fame so as sad as I find thousands people calling 5 teenagers out, it is warranted in this situation as the girls need to realize the slippery slope they are growing up on. If we start defending their live broadcast then that is only going to give the girls the delusion its okay to trash your employer openly if you're not getting everything you want. I don't think their identity is being compromised at all. What's happening is that these girls haven't developped the understanding of the consequences of their actions yet as that part of the brain doesn't stops developping until you are like 25 and their role models are toxic so they are imitating that behavior without seeing the consequences like the misguided teens they are. Anyways, on the 'Korean Issue', I can understand where this argument sometimes comes from as someone from the Netherlands. When your language isn't one of the biggest languages around then foreign tabloids/channels really can spread misinformation and the majority of people will just take their word for it. It happened in K-POP when a Dutch reporter went asking WJSN some uncomfortable questions like if they had done plastic surgery. They did this because they were making a documentary studying the darker side of K-POP, ranging from the suicide of Shinee's Jong-Hyun to the Burning Sun scandal. Websites like AllThatKpop made some blatant mistranslations to the Dutch documentary like how the reporter said stuff like, 'why are all K-POP idols suicidal', when he didn't said it at all and Kpop websites made the Dutch documentary seem less credible then it was and also doesn't acknowledge our culture at all in their accusations of the reporter being rude to WJSN. What our culture has to do with it is simple. We are a culture that values time and not wasting other people's time. Our culture is very organized when it comes to time management, that's for sure. Because fanevents are the only ways a reporter can ask these uncomfortable questions as otherwise the company gets a say in which questions are allowed, then a Dutch reporter will immediately go for the uncomfortable questions and go straight to the point so everyone involved will have their time wasted as little as possible. Let's not forget how some fans will travel for hours for a fansign. A Dutch reporter is mindful of that so he won't play nice first and get the members comfortable because it would be rude to the fans attending the event to take up so much of the idols' time. That's our way of thinking. Dutch reporters often get shamed for that in general because people don't understand the way we think and that we consider them to be the rude ones as they are wasting everyone's time with that dilly-dallying. However, in this particular case I do agree that people are just using the Korean culture as an excuse. MHJ is a manipulative groomer and I feel so sorry for the NJ girls that they had to be born to such clearly exploitative parents who don't seem to care at all for their well-being. I hope someone comes into their life and show them the right path in how to grow up into better people then the ones that currently surround them and to realize they are victims of creeps, heal and become succesful because of their own god damn talents. Also, know I am saying all of this as a 2nd gen K-POP stan who doesn't stans any groups involved with HYBE or Ador, hates HYBE along with the majority of the industry for their sins and wishes there were more acts like (G)I-DLE around to tear down the industry from within and start anew. Because so many idols are so talented yet from such an early age they are surrounded by so many problematic and exploitative people, idols deserve better.
It’s just wild how so many fans have taken this livestream so personal and as an excuse to ditch the group when it’s actually the biggest example of the extent of brainwashing they were under MHJ. If anything fans should be pushing for hype to provide the girls with deprogramming therapy because this is one of the more obvious cases in need of help in a while. Also the whole “hybe did everything for them how dare they” narrative is so naive lol. None of us know the inner workings of the situation or people the way they, hybe, or mhj do. How many stories come out of terrible working environments and bts pettiness/company drama towards their idols. Yet we’re all supposed to believe none of that could be influencing anything going on rn lol
Every idol has a right and a voice to speak up and nwjns are sooo brave .Not you trying to silence those girls for speaking up and not allowing the media play company to step on them. Pathetic .You think you know better on whats happening in that building rather than newjeans themselves🤡.even jk support newjns coz he knows how the adults can be especially at a very young age. Every I dol in kpop industry should be brave to speak up just like newjeans. IDOLS have a voice and they should use it. And you its like your doing that company's dirty work on the internet. How low 💀
If they only spoke about THEMSELVES and what they're going through, people would have more sympathy. But they wrapped all of their complaints around MHJ and ended with a demand that a label reinstate a CEO that betrayed her company, committed extortion & attempted stock manipulation, is insane. And the only example of 'mistreatment' they gave is when another gg's manager, whose label is suing MHJ, doesn't want them talking to NJ's. Now, NJ's may have evidence of actual mistreatment that they're saving for the lawsuit, but it's going to have to be ACTUAL mistreatment as defined by a court of law and not just a 'perceived' mistreatment.
I can't believe you just said just be quiet do what you are supposed to do. Wow, this is such an Asian model minority behavior. I've been waiting months for them to step up and say something. To me it's weird to just keep avoiding the obvious. Good job for them for taking a side. If there is no trust between parties it is hard to do business. That's just the reality. It's not good for both parties. New jeans will come out of this stronger contrary to most on this comment board. They've had a great start to their careers and it will keep going. Thank you new jeans
I chose to not watch the livestream because all I care about is "Results" not the Drama ....... MHJ and NJ is ONE!!...... Hybe is trying to destroy MHJ and NJ will be greatly affected ..... Hybe will force LSF and Illit into our throats so people will forget about NJ ...... in this case, HYBE will leave a sour taste in our mouths!!! ....... HYBE is to blame for everything that happens with NJ from now moving forward ....... LSF and Illit will fail because of Hybe's behavior on all this!!!!
@@maynunal We can understand that you have a side lol, MHJ I guess . Don’t worry about Hybe’s other groups, they will be fine . What is happening to NJ is MHJ’s fault for privileging her personal agenda , that’s it . Hybe doesn’t seem to not take their responsibility, but if the girls can’t acknowledge that, they’ll be responsible of their own downfall alongside with MHJ.
@moonlight_antonio I appreciate the unbiased coverage and thoughts you've put out. I believe the things they said were specifically given to them. Like Hanni. She's pretty popular, so if she says she was mistreated, the majority of the fans will buy into it. It doesn't matter how petty it is, "it's Hanni." Then, having the 2nd youngest say I don't want to understand is like saying I'm young and dumb and I don't get why everyone is being mean. Danielle(along with Hanni) speaks firmly. She is very vocal and to the point. She's biracial and speaks very clear, fluent English(as does Hanni). It's very clear that MHJ was concerned about adding her to the group, but she's using that to her advantage. She(MHJ) knows she doesn't have a lot of international support. Minji and Hyein seem to not say too much. They just kind of double down on the sentiments. Maybe b/c of the oldest child/youngest child scenario. Minji is probably treated mid by MHJ compared to the rest behind closed doors. She's not the "child" MHJ wanted, and it's probably apparent to MHJ that she has a mind of her own. Whereas Hyein is her "baby girl" not saying too much will bid well for her in the aftermath. I'm not sure about the clothing choices and maybe that being an MHJ call to garner sympathy, but they do not look well. And not in the "we're depressed b/c we lost our CEO and nobody likes us" sort of way. They look tired, scared, and like they're being forced to do things they don't quite understand or want to do. There's more than MHJ running this show, so there's a lot to consider as to why they would agree to this. Can you say "no" to the person over your professional(financial) success? Their parents may be in major debt to this woman and her sponsors if they turn on her. We don't really know anything. Maybe they do believe she is the only person who knows and cares for them. Idk, but I do watch behavior and patterns. It's like a team or a class. There's probably favorites here, and she knows them well enough to know who will say what and what impact it will have AS WELL AS who will suffer the most when it's all over. With that being said, these girls definitely know the risks by doing the things they've done and saying the things they've said. That live was disrespectful to their bosses. And despite how they feel or what anyone thinks, those people are, in fact, their bosses. There will be consequences, and I'm sure they know and expect them b/c regardedless of anything else they're all at the ages to know right from wrong.
Also, YESSSSS! The goalpost is always being moved!!! Every single time Hybe takes a legal or professional action and she reacts unprofessionally, the goal posts get moved and we get further away from the how we got here in the 1st place!
From my pov, by claiming the group can't exist without a manager, the girls admitted the success of the group is due to MHJ, not their talent and hard work. Also I think the girls acted as extremely spoiled, whinny, entitled, childish and arrogant. Also, they dissed their company terribly publicly. Which label would hire them now? I'd never.
How are they suppose to crush aespa now?!
@@DUNGSTASM would , 😂 if u cant beat them, join them
@@yen-8680in this case, i hope they go to SM asap.
@@n-silvabts9178 Unless SM pay for their contract, otherwise they will have to wait for another five years. HYPE dropped all their plan for the future now, its all on Mhj and ADOR to promote and invest on them. So it’s either they have enough money to break the contract early, or they will have to try two or three times harder without HYPE promoting them.
@@n-silvabts9178They dont have money to break contract tho, that’s why mhj and NJ tried so hard to create drama and accused HYPE mistreating them so they can walk away free. But now everything settled and Nj still couldn’t break the contract or mhj back as ceo. They will have to stay at ADOR for another 5 years. Also, HYPE announced to drop all Nj plans on the future, now Nj is all on ADOR and mhj, HYPE will no longer promote them.
I think that because they didn't get their own way with the new CEO, they see it as mistreatment. Min Hee Jin had them in a bubble, and they were used to being spoiled.
They probably don't like her style
She might not have pampered them the way they are used to. They are getting a reality check with the new team and CEO that's why they feel they are being mistreated.
Fr if they are mistreated by hybe where is the evidence to support that claims? I guess there is none considering the fact that hybe is being very generous with them including mhj even if you’re a fan or not it’s still obvious that they are getting the best treatment in the whole K-pop industry early since their debut.
It's crazy how MHJ has such control over these girls.
I’m 100% convinced that the girls' parents were promised something, likely ownership or shares from the company. All I know is that the adults have failed these girls.
I was supportive of them initially, but after the livestream, I can't see myself ever listening to their music again.
HYBE is operating as a company...doing what companies are supposed to do.
This narative that keeps going around re not being on HYBE side like they are evil is really annoying.
As a leader in an organisation myself and also following this situation closely HYBE has been operating in the best interest of the company, the idols, the staff and the investors.
This is a bigger corporate issue that has to be dealt with delicately by the organisation.
This is not understood by most persons.
Thank you for the saying this. That narrative is really annoying.
This right here! Stans are investing emotion into a company when it should be all business. You can’t make good investments based on emotions but on data and the best interest for the *company* .At the end of the day, there’s no true way to have ethical consumerism. So this “Hybe is evil (tweeted from your iPhone)” is counter productive.
@@GoogiechimExactly, that's when you know that 90% of kpop stans are a bunch of kids lacking critical thinking and only relying on their emotions.
Nah only bunnies and some crazy stans are actually backing up Nj and calling them brave, the rest (Korean netizens included) criticized Nj/Hanni for being so arrogant and entitled.
As haerin says in the Livestream: "i dont understand, i dont want to understand" they clearly not want to be saved (in denial)
Hype gave mhj an opportunity to keep producing and directing nj . She declined! if the main problem was that nj would keep their style she would have accept the offer but she clearly wants money. hype is protecting their company. they have evidence that she is not in a good state to be ceo. ppl jump on hating hype saying " oh they are bad" Im not a hybe defender but is crazy how ppl are defending that woman. I also believe no such extraordinary mistreatment happened. they were on billboard, they are ambassadors of brands and go to fashions shows. Its didn't have any of that until their five year after hard work and they didn't give up.
@@yomarysanchez6263 ...Whats this statement about not being a HYBE defender...
What has HYBE done except exist as a company.
This HYBE hate is getting old.
Securities Industry have removed NJ from Hybe's financials. It's started.
It's like saying with or without NJ Hybe will still stand. It has many labels and each label has their own "ace" group.. And even though BTS are in the military they are still selling and earning well because of the projects BTS members prepared ahead of time... like Merch, Singles , collab, documentaries.. etc ...
What’s securities industry?
@@zv8365 yeah that's why the stock can't move up. Chunk of profits gone. All groups bring in revenue but not all groups are profitable
@@YTpsychMyths2 it's like analyst who predict future earnings for a company, they have already discarded NJ profits from future earnings. Example an oil company has a Oil well out of service but the other 49 is still working and a old well Gfriend is coming back on line.
So it’s like a pre-determination of sorts based on the current stocks, revenue and earnings of a company? Am I understanding it right?
I’m also new to this term so I’m learning something new here as well.
" New CEO doesn't trust them" I wouldn't either. If there wasn't mistreatment before, there might be now. If they stay, that mistrust will always be there. At least the relationship with them an HYBE will never be the same I think Min -Hee Jin is a narcissistic psychopath or sociopath. Not in a hyperbolic way but if they did a real psych evaluation on her, she clinically be deemed at least a narcist .
I'm a Korean who lives in S Korea, and let me tell you that fandoms of other HYBE idols(BTS, TXT, LS, you name it) have recently been showing united movements to support ILLIT, whom MHJ has dissed as an "inferior copycat" of NJ.
Even if you don't know about the details of this incident, IMO, that fact above alone speaks volumes.
When will newjeans collab and support ILLIT on magnetic?
I wonder if gp opinion about mhj has shifted
@@DUNGSTA uhhhh..... I guess never?
@@you-know-whoofficials9932 you mean the general public? actually there are mixed reactions. there are a lot of people who weren't so pleased about how HYBE was managing their business(a.k.a they are way TOO after money, etc.), so those people may stay a bit sympathetic to MHJ. but there are also a lot of people like myself who think what MHJ says are a little too fishy.
The comments on the mainstream media YT channels are "too much" on favor of MHJ, though. Not quite sure what's going on there in the comment section, but I don't think that's real "general public" opinion at all. Something's definitely going wrong there.
Because those Hybe idols are also being targeted by MHJ.. and many Armys were NJ fans just because they are branded as Bts younger sisters. Army supported NJ UNTIL these issues were known. Obviously Armys would retract their support of the group and people (like MHJ) or anybody who wanted to do harm to BTS. And when you say United movement, as an International fan would say.. MAYBE most MULTISTAN but many of us are for BTS only. We just pity those innocent girls for being dragged into the mess. And i truly hope NJ would open their eyes and see how manipulative MHJ is.
The thing is helping NJs won't help them learn anything. Maybe their path is to go through this and learn a life lesson; to not trust narcissists. I think they'll realize it eventually. If they want to succeed they will have to deal with whatever comes with that. They need to learn and see for themselves how narcissists function so that in the future, they can spot who is manipulating and who isn't.
Edit: Min Heejin has been causing problems for everyone since day 1 and is still going. She has been manipulating everything. I just saw a video on the evidence that was shown publicly at one point. Heejin is something, I still can't believe she got away with all of this. But right now she is getting the consequences of her actions. She dragged everyone (the public, the fans, the other groups, HYBE, BTS, SM groups, etc.) into this to just stir up trouble. She caused this disruption for her own gain, almost like it was a game for her. Who does this kind of thing? 🤦🏻♀
Those girls will need a long time to recover from this one, with therapy.
Cookie is a banger
The video I watched is called this: " How Min Heejin Snatched NewJeans From Source Music | 다시 보는 민희진 씨의 쏘스뮤직 뉴진스 탈취극 (디스패치 기사 영문 번역) "
by the channel HYBE BOY. I would share the link but RUclips deletes links sometimes. Well, Min Heejin was lying and manipulating. This isn't the leader of a company that you want. This isn't what a real leader would do.
We know what a good leader can do, and Namjoon is a good example. I just hope people, now are seeing what Min Heejin is actually like.
@@DUNGSTA Glad you feel that way. Thanks for sharing your opinion on it.
I thought we were done with all of this, but then NewJeans had to add something to it. Now, we're back to this mess again. When will it end?
It's so sad Min Heejin actually knew she could manipulate NewJeans and they would listen to her without question. She got rid of the other girls that were probably meant to debut. The whole time consulting that shaman. Some people still don't see this manipulation tactic. She isolated the NewJeans girls.
The fact is Source Music and HYBE did plan to debut them first, but you know what happened. This woman just wanted her way. Source Music already had plans to debut NewJeans first with the song "Attention" and there were more than 6 members. They just needed the branding for it which was Min Heejin's job, but she kept delaying it for months. She wanted to have her own thing. And then blamed it all on HYBE and Source Music. This is stuff you already know. It's clear what Min Heejin was doing.
They really thought they're the breadwinner of Hybe now cause BTS is in the military. What a bunch of arrogant girls
They just needed to look at the quarterly reports to see that they are not the key breadwinner for Hype. They only contributed 5%.
Not to mention Jin is already back from the military and 2025 is only a few months away
They are
@@DUNGSTA learn Math first
@@zerefuuutv bruh they don't even have enough music to go on tour to make money
I still can't get over the mistreatment accusations. This is what rich spoiled brats would say. "Ceo didnt greet me in the elevator". I used to enjoy their music but now cant really stand them especially after their live stream
this still bugs me a lot too tbh … like the horror stories we hear from other companies and the worst they have is a manager telling her minor idols to reduce communication. I saw the girls true colors
Same. They’re spoiled, entitled, outrageously disrespectful and if that were a male group behaving that way, they would have been crucified in the media and lost their careers. I have ZERO sympathy for them now.
@@krenskywarren7422 this whole situation is like a step back for women empowerment. From her leaked messages saying women are dumb and can never be like her to bad mouthing her former female employee that is suing also suing her.
Should say hi tbh...
@@DUNGSTA Who wants to say hi to a group of girls who were complicit to that nut job’s accusations of plagiarism and everything else. I hope those girls are uncomfortable walking through the halls of Hybe after what they’ve said - the damage they’ve done - about the other girl group! They’ve been living like princesses in a castle when the other Hybe groups have been living in a much different environment. They haven’t had to sacrifice anything. I can’t stand them now.
The thing is that the NJ members claimed that MHJ didn’t know that they were doing this live,but MHJ gave interview and she that she told the girls not to do the live stream. But they did it anyway. So the girls lied saying that no one knew that they were giving this livestream. I think MHJ told them to do the livestream and then when people were upset or angry about it she then threw them under the bus and claimed that she tried to tell them not to do the livestream.
That definitely sounds like something she would do. Tell them to do the live stream, and then throw them under the bus when NJ gets major backlash for it.
Anything to make herself look better or make her hands look more clean. If she really did, tell them to do the live stream, which I do believe she did tell them to do it, and People found out about that, it would make MHJ look worse than she already does.
Those people who tell you that only Koreans understand this matter are MHJ fans and say those things because they can’t argue honestly and intellectually. No matter the language, what’s right is right and what’s wrong is wrong. I’m a Korean and I know what MHJ is doing is wrong. Even the Korean court acknowledged that she tried to undermine Hybe; the court just stated that the way Hybe removed MHJ didn’t followed proper procedure. The NJ’s live stream was a total disaster for them. They stepped out of their boundary by demanding from Hybe to give the Ador CEO position to MHJ while displaying so much disrespect. They must thought they were the queens of Hybe or something. MHJ, NJ, and most of their fandoms became a cult like entity.
True!
The Korean public will eventually turn against MHJ and NJ just like they turned against the Givers and the 3 former members of 50 50.
@@inmouracade1377 Wel, said!!
The injunction court at May said, "Although MHJ betrayed Hybe, but because Ador did not damage so Hybe cannot fire MHJ regarding the contract". Judge said Hybe and Ador is different entities. In SK law, board director of a company can fire the CEO. So Hybe changed the directors of Ador except MHJ. Then board directors of Ador fired their CEO. So Hybe DID NOT FIRE MHJ.
한국 대중은 민희진 편
Hybe recently offered MHJ to work with NJ as inside director with a board seat not only that but as producer too for 5 years, but she decline. Clearly MHJ want CEO seat to cash out her Ador stock options, it's never about NJ, too bad the NJ girls didn't know that about their CEO-nim.
She doesn't just want the seat of CEO but the whole company Ador. So she can sell it or get money for it.
Mhj just yesterday posted in her ig a screenshot of one of the NJ members congratulating her for her speech at the Hyundai event. Everything she does is using these girls to validate and boost herself. Im not a NJ fan, but I supported them because of Bts. But, now I cant anymore because I dont want to support Mhj. If she is booted out, then will see. I just hope Ador new staff is patient with these girls and can get them counceling. But as a person who has tried to get her friend out from a toxic relationship for years, I recognize that nothing will work until the girls themselves realize what position they are in. I just hope its not too late, when they do.
There is a reason we joke about the pre-frontal cortex and that we don't expect people to make consistently make good decisions until age 25
Saying "you're not korean hence you don't know korean culture" is like saying "you don't know a pilot messed up if you're not pilot yourself", dude if I see helicopter pilot crashed into tree....I don't need to be a helicopter pilot to know that pilot messed up big time.
This comment was good to me hahaha btw love the Cloud Strife profile pic. 👍♥️
@@RazgrizDavion81 you don't need to be Korean to spot BS and crap human beings. It's not Korean culture to be manipulative or a backstabber as MHJ is
Exactly. My irritant is - fans are stupid and members are fat lazy pigs- is taken out of context…. In what context would that ever be ok!? Shocking.
Exactly, and not MHJ pretending she couldn’t remember the context of those messages when asked about them by the press. “Do you remember what you were talking about from years ago?” 🤦🏾♂️
Those girls were talking like they and MHJ owned the company by being untitled, disrespectful and bratty
They say we international fans do not know anything abt what’s going on in Korea.ok fine. May be we don’t. But what we know is, they have lost many of their international support, trust, and people admiration for them. They have completely lost it. So if they think just coz some knets is on their side, they gonna make it big without hybe , they are in delusion for sure. Off course people in Korea or you can say hybe haters who are waiting for their downfall are shaking hands with MHJ and supporting them, but what happens after? They too know mhj true color,are they gonna invest in her?I don’t think so. Are they gonna take new jeans In their company who was openly defaming the company they debuted? Definitely not. So no matter from which angle you see it, they are done. They messed up everything.
Where are their parents? It would be so dumb if they never got outside advisers/lawyers to look in to the situation
Unfortunately, their parents are on MHJ's side….which doesn't help.
@@nycjt6267 Ador's new CEO advised them to get outside attorneys separate from MHJ's but they aren't listening
Sadly their parents are as money, hungry as mhj is
Newjeans appears to have no confidence that they will be fine after mhj drama. I guessed they don't believed they have the talent to pull themselves up. I really want to protect them as a fan but I cant do that when they themselves created this so much more mess. It's like they are digging their own grave. Had they been more wise enough they will still continue to be fine if they stay away from the adults drama
@crazysodan7934 MHJ was definitely gaslighting them to believe they couldn't be successful without her. It's unfortunate that they were too blind to see it but at some point you have to take responsibility for your actions and while they may have been victimized by MHJ and greedy parents they are now willing participants in MHJ toxic mess.
@milissadaniels2727 yes, it's sad newjeans is a willing victim, and their attitude even when they are still a budding artist didn't sit right to me, what more if they become more popular, they will show more diva attitude. I stan bts not just because they are good as an artist but is also always grounded and humble.
At this point, NJ members cannot be saved. It seems to me they are fully brainwashed.
Have you had any family members got into a cult? It is heartbreaking , frustrating & painful bc you tried but cant save them… at some point, we have to accept that saving them is seen as hostile by the victims. So what we can do is.. keep trying to protect but to wait it out if they come to their senses. If they don’t, then so be it..
Hybe tried, now they just need to do things as contract goes.
The whole new jeans and min heejin situation seems a lot like the weird relationship that sia has with maddie ziegler
Thank you for voicing my whole opinion. I feel sorry for NJ for thinking they are only going to succeed with MhJ side. If that is their mentality, then they don’t have the drive of a real artist. They should move on & really prove to everyone that they succeeded because of their talent not because of MHJ.
on the 25th hybe had a meeting with NJs to discuss all their demands, and they came to the decision that they will not reinstate MHJ as the ceo of ador but she will maintain her position as the girl's creative producer until they disband. I am also angry as bunnies they keep targeting other hybe group, crying about mistreat and treating MHJ like she is a member of MJs is very odd. This people and NJs need to understand is that hybe is not stupid they will not change NJ's sound and concept because that is their money makers but those aspects are not hard to replicate because NJs concept is very simple and minimalistic.
Right, the sound and esthetic of NJ are not hard to replicate. It’s a style and sound that MHJ does not have a patent on, nor does she own the rights to all of that stuff, hair, make up, and concept.
It’s all been done before by other groups before she ever did it herself. All she did was revive an old sound from the early 90s and brought it back to the future in 2024, and that’s why their sound is so unique because it takes inspiration from the 90s and late 80s. But that’s not some thing that she invented herself so she shouldn’t treat it as such. I doubt she understands the true meaning of plagiarism.
As for the meeting, I’m glad HYBE did not meat NJ’s demands, but I also think HYBE is now counting down to the disbandment date of the group after all of this drama from MHJ and NJ. Thank you for informing me about the meeting. 👍♥️
@@moonlight_antonio that why international kpop stans needs to rediscover 1st gen groups mainly fin.k.l and s.e.s because new jeans is heavily by their fresh youngful concept. as for your last point yeah NJs may get the 4minutes treatment because even though they are a money makers they were being more trouble for the company and their fans affect two other groups specially illit is not helping no one specially when illit concept is more on the innoccent cute side like apink and early 3rd gen ggs had.
MHJ was pumping her chest and bragging about NJ achievements as if they were the breadwinner of the whole company when, in fact, they only contributed to 5-10% of HYBE revenue. They also only sold 38, 000 albums in Japan, but a journalist who is close to MHJ lied and said that NJ sold 1.2 million copies.
Also, during their livestream, the girls said that nobody knew about it but in a statement that she gave to KBS, MHJ said she advised the girls against a press conference which means that MHJ knew and did not inform HYBE which constitute as a break of contract.
KBS deleted the evidence. K-netzs signed a petition and demanded that KBS explain why they deleted the said statement.
That’s right, I forgot to mention that “journalists” who lies for MHJ. Your right on the money.
You know the mistreatment is a lie because no other Hybe group is complaining.
The moment they acted like petulant brats demanding the company to reinstate the very person who’s trying to destroy it, that was the final straw for me. I’ve never liked them. I only kind of tolerated them because BTS seemed to support them. But the poor show of integrity and character turned me off completely. They deserve to go down with their Mama MHJ.
From the moment they were introduced as "BTS's little sisters," I had a bad feeling. I didn’t want anything to be associated with BTS in that way. Our boys have worked incredibly hard to achieve everything they have, yet they remain humble and respectful of everyone. As Lee Hyun rightly said, "If I were in BTS, I’d ask my agency to get me a throne." But our humble kings would never ask for something like that. Instead, they let the world see the strength of their upbringing, shaped by the guidance of their parents, Bang Si-hyuk, and their influence on each other.
@@farhinmakrani5296 Exactly. Our boys made it through their own merits, their resilience, dedication, hard work, strength of character and humility. It pisses me off when other groups would ride on their coattails and get the accolades they don't deserve. I never liked the idea of them being associated with BTS. I had the same feeling you had when people are calling them "BTS' little sisters" The protective mama dragon radar inside of me started going off. I never liked new pants from the start, and this incident gave me validation of my doubts and more than enough reason to not like or support them.
Yes, I totally agree.
I agree, I think it’s a bad idea to bring out groups and call them BTS’s little brothers and sisters. The groups need to stand out on their own, without using BTS’s name as a crutch to carry their careers through, otherwise it’s just a cop out and it comes across as a bit lazy to market a new group in that way. BTS found their own individuality, other groups need to find theirs as well.
Honestly I believe the majority of the people using the culture card in this case are toxic bunnys & MHJ Stan’s tryin to shut people up in defense of MHJ. I saw BTS haters using those same words when the whole Yoongi sh*tshow was going down.
I feel bad for the girls. They are ruining their careers to stand by that greedy woman who couldn’t care less about them.
At the beginning of this saga, a lot of people were advocating to keep the girls out of MHJ's troubles. They dragged themselves in, backed by their parents, and started using the same narcissistic tactics as MHJ. They've talked about "mistreatment", but the only examples have been complaining about the chairman of the conglomerate, (i.e. the founder of Hybe) not greeting them in an elevator. There's nothing more arrogant than that. Not to mention how he bent over backwards to support the creation of Ador and NJ, and to set them up for success. Yes, one can argue that he gave too much, but "hindsight is 20/20". If MHJ had not ended up being greedy and conniving, most people would have celebrated the unwavering support given to Ador and NJ as an example of really backing up a concept. The minute NJ joined MHJ in disparaging Chairman Bang, up to the moment they insulted, supported via petitions the alleged criminal actions of MHJ against Hybe and other Hybe artists, and disrespected the current CEO of Ador, they started writing their own exit. I don't see how any company would want to work with people who behave like this, and who are so entitled, ungrateful and lacking in judgment and wisdom - including their parents, who should know better. I can't see how they can be trusted going forward.
MHJ and Nj have been out smarted and out gunned by HYBE lawyers. I think it will take years of intensive therapy for those young ladies but they have to want it.
You should see the new news that dispatched released with prove what MHJ had done n the lies she told...
I also saw those and it's a lot. MHJ was lying from the start.
I AGREE WITH YOU 1000%. AND SINCE THEY CANNOT GO ON WITHOUT MHJ THEN THEY WILL NEVER SUCCEED. BECAUSE IF YOU ARE AN ARTIST MHJ SHOULD ONLY BE A GUIDE BUT IF THEY ARE NOT FEELNG INDEPENDENT THEN THEY WILL NEVER BE TRUE ARTIST. SINCE THEY ARE SO DEPENDENT. I HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THE GIRLS YOU CANNOT DISRESPECT SOMEONE YOU WORK FOR. EVEN IF YOU DO NOT LIKE HYBE BUT YOU CANNOT DO THIS AND THEIR ATTITUDE WILL BE THEIR DOWN FALL. THEIR PARENTS MUST SHOULD BE PARENTS NOW IF NOT THY WILL END UP BAD.
These kids needs some very serious help . They are being groomed 😢
This drama around the girls could be avoided if they stayed out of this mess from the start.
They are being manipulated. A work culture is a representation of their direct leadership. The group acted within the unprofessional culture they work in. It is unprofessional for any CEO regardless of the country/norms they are bound to, to act this way with their subordinates. It is unfortunate that the girls alluded to a feeling that they cannot continue moving forward with their career without Min Hee Jin. If she truly cared and remained professional the business would continue with or without her. A professional Min Hee Jin would have prepared them to think for themselves, take care of themselves and continue with or without her. All the complaints from New Jeans, Min Hee Jin, and the parents should have been addressed and resolved by ADOR (Min Hee Jin) in coordination the parent Company (HYBE) as that is who works with them more closely on a day-to-day basis. The group was failed by Min Hee Jin, ADOR, their parents, HYBE and to an extent themselves. I agree they are being exploited however they are old enough to understand right from wrong. Everything from press conferences, behavior, etc. demonstrates unprofessionalism and selfishness from a high-level leader Min Hee Jin is supposed to be.
Lets point it out that these girls have only been under mhj from around past the middle of the year 2021 and debuted in 2022(they came from Source Music and I think one from SM). Which shows that they have known how systems change regardless of how much mhj can manipulate them or not. They chose to fight for a boss who has also spoken about other artists as being old and including one of you being fat. Not only that attributing your success to her. Are the girls lacking in critical thinking (let me say that YES) based on what a 15 year old in our house will think/question. However that is based on how the parenting style is in our house. Everyone is told that they can do whatever they put their mind to regardless of whatever circumstances are in their way or not- it is not based on who is your boss: its you and just you. Lets not forget that about 2 or 3 of these girls have grown up/been outside of SK, therefore their they must know that your abilities are not hellbent on just the adults in your life. Now my questions to them, are they going to underperform because mhj is not around as CEO? Lets all watch the space.When they were in school, did they have the same teachers for each year group they moved to?
I will assume that their parents are still on mhj's side; are these parents also brainwashed by mhj? They don't live with her nor work with her so how can they all be very gullible? I don't think that they are, I think there must have been a powerful person pushing for the girls to leave Hybe so that they can make their agency and the parents sucked it up. Because parents usually will choose to stay away from work related stuff and support their children quietly unless it is a matter of deaath and life.
Two or three of those girls may be grown as far as physical development, but the other stages of puberty are still at play, and they are not fully developed in them as I brought up in my video. It’s possible that they think they are making these decisions on there own without MHJ influence, because perhaps they really believe in their minds that they’re willingly choosing to defend MHJ without MHJ telling them to, but she could very well be manipulating even that.
A mother figure causing a child, teen, or young adult to believe that they are doing something independent of their influence, when in reality, it’s that very influence that the child will “willfully”deny that’s causing them to act in the way that they are acting. Not even realizing that denying the influence is also a part of the manifestation.
They may look mature, but they’re not mature, which is why I don’t agree with placing 100% blame and holding them 100% accountable for their actions, when they were taught by MHJ. Everything they have learned so far, they’ve learned from MHJ, she has been their role model for three years, their parental figure for three years, their source of guidance for three years, their covering for three years, there’s no way to get around that crucial fact.
MHJ probably put them up to all of this. As for the parents, either they are being manipulated by her as well, or they were in cahoots with her the whole time. I am more inclined to believe the latter is true. Which would make NewJeans parents terrible at choosing the right side to protect their children. But I think the ultimate point that I want to hammer home here is that, even though the girls look mature, have their actions and words proven to be as mature as their appearance? And ultimately, my answer is no.
Being a legal adult, doesn’t make you mature the moment, you become a legal adult, that takes time and years of development, and understanding yourself which all fall into the category of the stages of puberty, which they have not fully developed because they’re too young. And the moves that they have made, I strongly believe, we’re not of their own accord, but rather truly at the behest of MHJ.
Using proper honorific is important in Asian cultures, not just Korean culture.
32:03 I agree with your point on Korean culture. Mistreatment is mistreatment and I think you did a good job presenting the position that new jeans needs help because of getting influenced by m h j
Mistreatment is when the company did not follow the contract. New Jeans work at Ador, not Hybe. Ador and Hybe is different company in legal standpoint. New Jeans received a luxury dorm and paid with good money. Where is the mistreatment?
@@anistardi grooming and brain washing. We don't have to be part of a culture to call that behavior out as bad.
Question: Why have you never advocated for Hybe…because it’s a rags to riches company that became 10 times bigger than the ‘big 3’ who abused Big Hit and BTS for years? That was Bang’s biggest revenge! I’m not a fan of Sihyuk…but as long as BTS is loyal to him, we have no reason to believe he did anything wrong…other than give that woman too much unsupervised control.
Newjeans > bts
@@DUNGSTA LOL…as if!!!!
@ArmantoAlex13 It’s nothing against HYBE personally, I’m just not an entertainment company guy. I have no clue what’s happening in HYBE apart from what I already know, as long as they remain a company with integrity and transparency I think they’ll be fine.
@@DUNGSTA Too funny! They’ll be lucky if they last another year…never mind the 11 years BTS has been ruling the industry! BTS paved the way for Idol groups to find success in the west…even the self-important, entitled spoiled girls of NJ! They lack class among other things! Watch and learn from BTS, sweetie!
Let MHJ go marry her shaman I'm sure NJ will be happy to be the flower girls and go open their own agency😂
You said this all very well and I agree. I subscribe to three chanels two who are korean and live in korea and tell those of us who are not Korean the nuances of the language and about the honorifics, etc... One of these people said that having the 16 year old say some of the demands and disses on the girls' live was a slap even to Korean culture and that the girls disrespected the new CEO even just as a person. I too have doubts this was just "their thoughts".
Trust is earned the only thing they have shown Hybe and the new CEO is that they can't be trusted. They won't follow the rules, they will breach their contract, etc. As to ignored by the company how can the company even talk to them (certainly not as adults) when all they are going to do is not listen to anything except 'oh you poor babies and certainly we will give you back everything the way it was'. This does involve them or affect them but from a personnel stand point it also doesn't. This is between Hybe and Min Hee-jin.
As to Hanni's whining about the other group's manager. Doesn't things change when it comes out that she left a key detail out like the group going by is Illit and they/their label is currently in a lawsuit against Min Hee-jin for saying things that are untrue.
The realities will probably bite hard. They have been living in a fantasyland and it is over. No matter if they go somewhere else the real world and the real world of business will be there to wake them up. It is going to take time for these girls to come out from under Min Hee-jin. They need to be completely sparated from her and obviously right now they believe that they can't live without her. It is truly sad. The have been mentally and emotionally abused and we hope nothing more and for years.
@crgirrard4210 also Hanni said she told the new CEO about the Ignore her, that happened in July, way before the new CEO took office. She said it happened recently, but it turns out they reviewed the cctv video, and the only footage with Hanni and Illit on the 4th floor is in July, far from recently, and since there is no audio, the CEO couldn't do anything about it. So now Hanni is stretching the truth and is trying to play the victim just like MHJ. I felt so bad for the girls being used by MHJ, but they have lost any pity I felt for them.
NJ THEIR BEING DISRESPECTFUL TO HYBE...THEIR JUST TO BOASTFUL OF THEM TO FEEL THEIR LIKE BTS TO HAV THE AUTHORITY TO DEMAND... THEIR PARENTS SHLD GIVE THEM ADVICE B4 GOING ON LIVE. ITS SHAMEFUL THEIR CAREER IS OVER AND DOOM.
agree
also allegedly on response to Jungkook, Danielle changed her bio and added the logo cap
i think the girls are really under MHJ mind control
That’s my honest suspicion as well. I honestly feel like these girls would not be acting like this if MHJ was not over them.
JK support NJ but Danielle showed that she does not care for his support. OK then...
i hope that yt wont delete my comment because of the word that i will use
but to me Min Heejin seem to be a narcissist pervert
@@JO-qn8gy the problem is that this girls are convinced that they are nothing without MHJ when it the opposite in reality
Danielle literally wasted jungkooks support and thought jk would also support mhj. The heck is wrong with these kids. I guess mhj isn't wrong calling them d*mb.
NJ careers is over in Hybe and it's time for ILLIT, KATSEYE, LESSERAFIM, FROMIS_9 to step up!
There’s a new phrase going around-NewJeans fatigue. For a girl group whose charisma is based on freshness, getting themselves involved in this political and social issue gives them a heaviness while other gg’s are performing and greeting fans.
Hype is a public company, and kpop in general is reaching for global audiences and fan followers. Therefore they cannot ask for our support and money but not accept our points of view. You can't have only what's suits you.
That’s a good point
Excellent points - based upon practical common sense and a solid business perspectives (not to mention the psychological absurdities of the relationship between NJ & MHJ) It is refreshing to listen to a sane & unbiased evaluation for once.
Very very bad. They dig their own grave. They failed to get sympathy to people
👏👏👏 Thank you! So on point!
great video, took the words out of my mouths
I have to keep it real 🫶✨♥️✨
Bruh if you're supporting newjeans than you're also supporting MHJ... 🙄
I THINK EVEN THOUGH HYBE OFFER THEM A PRODUCER. SO THAT IS ROPE TO HANG THEMSELF. THAT IS WHAT HYBE DID HERE IS MHJ LET SEE WHATS HAPPEN. THEY ARE NOT ARTIST I WAS NEVER A FAN AND WHAT THEY SAY ON THIER SPEECH ACCEPTANCE AND THEIR LIVE I WOULD NOT EVEN GIVE THEM LISTEN EVEN IF THEY PERFORM WITH BTS MEMBERS, I WILL NEVER SUPPORT SOMEONE WHO DO NOT KNOW THEMSELVESI AM NOT STAYING OUT OF THIS BUT WE THE WEST SUPPORT KDRAMA AND OUR BELOVED BTS. WE BUY THEIR FOOD ETC. YES THE CULTURE IS DIFFERENT BUT I AM FROM AN ERA THAT YOU SHOULD RESPECT YOUR ELDER. AND EVEN THOUGH BANG PD MIGHT NOT HAVE HIS OWN CHILDREN BUT HE IS THE PERSON WHO AALLOW ME A OLD HEAD TO KNOW BTS. HYBE OR BANG PD MIGHT NOT PERFECT EVERYONE HAS FLAWS BUT . BUT WHAT THEY DID SHOULD BE ALL SENT HOME TO THEIR PARENTS AND FIRE MHJ. BUT SINCE THEY COMPANY WILL BE AT LOSS THEY ARE BEEN FORGIVING SO I WILL UNDERSTAND THERE DESCISION. BUT LONG SUCCESS IS BUILT OF INTEGRITY AND HUMILITY. BUT THIER BUBBLE GUM POP WILL NEVER LAST. EVEN IF THEY SUCCEED AL LITTLE THEY WILL NEVER LAST. IN THE INDUSTRY R THEIR PERSONL LIFE. BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO FOUDATION.
This is not just NJ is being hurt how about other artists under HYBE. Does NJ know or not the basic knowledge like Ador exist with HYBE financial support. So, that’s mean they have to respect the company.
Mental manipulation is not a cultural thing. You don't have to be from Korea to see or understand it.
Okay, that's all I will say on this again. I think you explained everything really well.
Pretty face but bad character 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Jeebus daist, does the NJ girls really believe HYBE didn't want to earn money from New Jean's promotion?
They need a better manager/CEO . .oh, and while I’m at it. . . . they need a new stylist too
MHJ shaman spells don’t work any longer it’s was short lived..from on now everything New Jeans and MHJ do will turn to burst like a curse
1:21 lol. There is nothing more boring than staying the same forever.
I agree with almost everything in this vid, that never happens lol.
I honestly think they should be disbanded if it is will be what it will take to shake em to reality so they can realize that being arrogant won't help em so they can go to therapy a d after that comr back to k pop
What I personally think? I find it sad because these girls are still so young and everyone calling them out for their bratty behavior in these mass numbers almost feels like bullying, but with the fact that they have been acting this way and their parents are pro-MHJ I feel like all of the adults involved are toxic and the girls are going to end up being just as toxic if not worse because of their childhood fame so as sad as I find thousands people calling 5 teenagers out, it is warranted in this situation as the girls need to realize the slippery slope they are growing up on. If we start defending their live broadcast then that is only going to give the girls the delusion its okay to trash your employer openly if you're not getting everything you want.
I don't think their identity is being compromised at all. What's happening is that these girls haven't developped the understanding of the consequences of their actions yet as that part of the brain doesn't stops developping until you are like 25 and their role models are toxic so they are imitating that behavior without seeing the consequences like the misguided teens they are.
Anyways, on the 'Korean Issue', I can understand where this argument sometimes comes from as someone from the Netherlands. When your language isn't one of the biggest languages around then foreign tabloids/channels really can spread misinformation and the majority of people will just take their word for it.
It happened in K-POP when a Dutch reporter went asking WJSN some uncomfortable questions like if they had done plastic surgery. They did this because they were making a documentary studying the darker side of K-POP, ranging from the suicide of Shinee's Jong-Hyun to the Burning Sun scandal. Websites like AllThatKpop made some blatant mistranslations to the Dutch documentary like how the reporter said stuff like, 'why are all K-POP idols suicidal', when he didn't said it at all and Kpop websites made the Dutch documentary seem less credible then it was and also doesn't acknowledge our culture at all in their accusations of the reporter being rude to WJSN.
What our culture has to do with it is simple. We are a culture that values time and not wasting other people's time. Our culture is very organized when it comes to time management, that's for sure.
Because fanevents are the only ways a reporter can ask these uncomfortable questions as otherwise the company gets a say in which questions are allowed, then a Dutch reporter will immediately go for the uncomfortable questions and go straight to the point so everyone involved will have their time wasted as little as possible. Let's not forget how some fans will travel for hours for a fansign. A Dutch reporter is mindful of that so he won't play nice first and get the members comfortable because it would be rude to the fans attending the event to take up so much of the idols' time. That's our way of thinking. Dutch reporters often get shamed for that in general because people don't understand the way we think and that we consider them to be the rude ones as they are wasting everyone's time with that dilly-dallying.
However, in this particular case I do agree that people are just using the Korean culture as an excuse.
MHJ is a manipulative groomer and I feel so sorry for the NJ girls that they had to be born to such clearly exploitative parents who don't seem to care at all for their well-being. I hope someone comes into their life and show them the right path in how to grow up into better people then the ones that currently surround them and to realize they are victims of creeps, heal and become succesful because of their own god damn talents.
Also, know I am saying all of this as a 2nd gen K-POP stan who doesn't stans any groups involved with HYBE or Ador, hates HYBE along with the majority of the industry for their sins and wishes there were more acts like (G)I-DLE around to tear down the industry from within and start anew. Because so many idols are so talented yet from such an early age they are surrounded by so many problematic and exploitative people, idols deserve better.
I don't agree with Jk 👖 added themselves into the equation so let them take the heat or whatever happens to them
yess
Such a liar... playing victim
NJ young manipulators
I think it is definitely fair to say at this point that they are young manipulators for sure. Especially after what Honni polled at that assembly.
It’s just wild how so many fans have taken this livestream so personal and as an excuse to ditch the group when it’s actually the biggest example of the extent of brainwashing they were under MHJ. If anything fans should be pushing for hype to provide the girls with deprogramming therapy because this is one of the more obvious cases in need of help in a while.
Also the whole “hybe did everything for them how dare they” narrative is so naive lol. None of us know the inner workings of the situation or people the way they, hybe, or mhj do. How many stories come out of terrible working environments and bts pettiness/company drama towards their idols. Yet we’re all supposed to believe none of that could be influencing anything going on rn lol
Every idol has a right and a voice to speak up and nwjns are sooo brave .Not you trying to silence those girls for speaking up and not allowing the media play company to step on them. Pathetic .You think you know better on whats happening in that building rather than newjeans themselves🤡.even jk support newjns coz he knows how the adults can be especially at a very young age. Every I dol in kpop industry should be brave to speak up just like newjeans. IDOLS have a voice and they should use it. And you its like your doing that company's dirty work on the internet. How low 💀
If they only spoke about THEMSELVES and what they're going through, people would have more sympathy. But they wrapped all of their complaints around MHJ and ended with a demand that a label reinstate a CEO that betrayed her company, committed extortion & attempted stock manipulation, is insane.
And the only example of 'mistreatment' they gave is when another gg's manager, whose label is suing MHJ, doesn't want them talking to NJ's. Now, NJ's may have evidence of actual mistreatment that they're saving for the lawsuit, but it's going to have to be ACTUAL mistreatment as defined by a court of law and not just a 'perceived' mistreatment.
I HOPE MHJ AND NJ WIN THERE CASE. HYBE IS A COMPANY WHO LIKES TO BULLY. I WOULDNT BE SURPRISED If MONEY ISNT INVOLVED BC THATS HYBE ONLY INTEREST.
I can't believe you just said just be quiet do what you are supposed to do. Wow, this is such an Asian model minority behavior. I've been waiting months for them to step up and say something. To me it's weird to just keep avoiding the obvious. Good job for them for taking a side. If there is no trust between parties it is hard to do business. That's just the reality. It's not good for both parties. New jeans will come out of this stronger contrary to most on this comment board. They've had a great start to their careers and it will keep going. Thank you new jeans
I chose to not watch the livestream because all I care about is "Results" not the Drama ....... MHJ and NJ is ONE!!...... Hybe is trying to destroy MHJ and NJ will be greatly affected ..... Hybe will force LSF and Illit into our throats so people will forget about NJ ...... in this case, HYBE will leave a sour taste in our mouths!!! ....... HYBE is to blame for everything that happens with NJ from now moving forward ....... LSF and Illit will fail because of Hybe's behavior on all this!!!!
@@maynunal We can understand that you have a side lol, MHJ I guess . Don’t worry about Hybe’s other groups, they will be fine . What is happening to NJ is MHJ’s fault for privileging her personal agenda , that’s it . Hybe doesn’t seem to not take their responsibility, but if the girls can’t acknowledge that, they’ll be responsible of their own downfall alongside with MHJ.
MHJ is the one delaying their work currently
MHJ tried to destroy HYBE so HYBE is just returning the favour. NJ is trying to destroy themselves all on their own.
@moonlight_antonio I appreciate the unbiased coverage and thoughts you've put out. I believe the things they said were specifically given to them.
Like Hanni. She's pretty popular, so if she says she was mistreated, the majority of the fans will buy into it. It doesn't matter how petty it is, "it's Hanni."
Then, having the 2nd youngest say I don't want to understand is like saying I'm young and dumb and I don't get why everyone is being mean.
Danielle(along with Hanni) speaks firmly. She is very vocal and to the point. She's biracial and speaks very clear, fluent English(as does Hanni). It's very clear that MHJ was concerned about adding her to the group, but she's using that to her advantage. She(MHJ) knows she doesn't have a lot of international support.
Minji and Hyein seem to not say too much. They just kind of double down on the sentiments. Maybe b/c of the oldest child/youngest child scenario. Minji is probably treated mid by MHJ compared to the rest behind closed doors. She's not the "child" MHJ wanted, and it's probably apparent to MHJ that she has a mind of her own. Whereas Hyein is her "baby girl" not saying too much will bid well for her in the aftermath.
I'm not sure about the clothing choices and maybe that being an MHJ call to garner sympathy, but they do not look well. And not in the "we're depressed b/c we lost our CEO and nobody likes us" sort of way. They look tired, scared, and like they're being forced to do things they don't quite understand or want to do. There's more than MHJ running this show, so there's a lot to consider as to why they would agree to this. Can you say "no" to the person over your professional(financial) success? Their parents may be in major debt to this woman and her sponsors if they turn on her. We don't really know anything. Maybe they do believe she is the only person who knows and cares for them. Idk, but I do watch behavior and patterns. It's like a team or a class. There's probably favorites here, and she knows them well enough to know who will say what and what impact it will have AS WELL AS who will suffer the most when it's all over.
With that being said, these girls definitely know the risks by doing the things they've done and saying the things they've said. That live was disrespectful to their bosses. And despite how they feel or what anyone thinks, those people are, in fact, their bosses. There will be consequences, and I'm sure they know and expect them b/c regardedless of anything else they're all at the ages to know right from wrong.
Also, YESSSSS! The goalpost is always being moved!!! Every single time Hybe takes a legal or professional action and she reacts unprofessionally, the goal posts get moved and we get further away from the how we got here in the 1st place!