Marine VHF radio installation and antenna tuning
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- Опубликовано: 11 апр 2021
- Installing a marine VHF radio correctly and tuning the antenna can make a huge difference to the radios performance at sea. In this video I work with Jon from Raymarine to install they Ray63 VHF marine radio.
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As a licensed amateur radio operator I’ve sit through sooo many boring lectures on theory but your illustration using a cat is the best! Pull the tail here and a meow comes out here...BRILLIANT!!! 🤣🤣🤣
It's an oldie but a goodie :)
If Knowledge had weight Renko would have sunk in this video! it makes me so happy to see all these experts come and share their knowledge with you and us.
Thanks Earl, glad you enjoyed it. :)
Having had an awesome weekend on the Beach....no boats, no Jetskis, no breakdowns but the most awful 3hr drive home from our holiday home Daphne (?) and Daisy are the fixer...Just bought my Icom hand held float and flash and...aboiut to fit through hull water pick up for the Bravo engine. DANGAR MARINE what have you done! I'm sensible and everything!!!
Impressed by Raymarine's help!
As an amateur radio operator, I concur with your explanation of how radio works!
As an amateur radio operator too my wife would not concur on how much I have just spent on my new Icom PS dont ask
Radio installation, now you’re speakin’ my language.
As a former radio installation tech, I rather enjoyed this episode. I actually just found my SWR meter the other day. I need to look for some antennas to test. Maybe I could stop by. It’s only about 15,380 km. noon tomorrow???😂
I’ll make the sandwiches. :)
@@DangarMarine I really wish I could make the trip. Between you, Brupeg, She’ll be right, and Free Range Sailing...a good portion of my viewing is from down under. I just might have emigrate. Move all my shop gear and give everyone a hand.
23:00 pm GMT +2, my bedtime
22:59 pm GMT +2, new dangar marine video
Thanks Stu.
At midnight a new DM video.
...sleep is overrated anyhow.
- When a man sleeps, nothing is happening. When a man is awake, he can even catch a fish -
...wise words from the late Matti Nykänen...
Keep it simple, one aerial for each job. We had problems with our vehicle diplexers years ago. A Philips engineer came out and we tried to get some pearls of radio wisdom from him. His reply, "Sometimes they work; sometimes they dont". I also mistrust fibreglass dipole whip aerials. You should not need them on a steel hull or with a s/steel A frame mount where the superstructure will form one part of the diplole. We ditched them from our workboats and used s/steel whips after we cut up an old fibreglass dipole (that had limited range) and found a mess of thin wet wire in the hollow base of the unit. The wire was stupidly thin and had broken unseen from the tip.
Interesting to hear, I got these antennas in a bit of a rush from a local store. It will be interesting to talk to Pacific Aerials about better options.
I see Renko on marinetraffic.
This is pretty damn cool
Pleasure craft. Nice!!!
Guess he got it working!
Great site. There's a similarly useful one for aircraft called "planefinder" net that I've been using for more than a decade.
@@KowboyUSA I use flightradar24 which is kind of the gold standard app. Check it out
@@CessnaPilot99 That's a good one. Thanks!
As a Ham Radio Operator I truly enjoyed this episode. Wish you'd go truly Comm crazy & install a HF Radio too!
QRZ, DE VK4FAKE, 73's
@@mwethereld cheers from vk4fkas 73
@@villiersman951 cheers from DL5SCW 73
I have a friend who is a Ham radio operator too, we really wants to experiment more with radios on the boat. :)
@@DangarMarine 73's de VK4NFL
Everytime there's an Adrienne episode, i gotta rewatch the mad max trilogy
This guy is THE MOST SOBER person I ever saw on this channel, which is a good thing considering the subject. Glad to see this level of expertise going into a safety item. I appreciate you bringing someone like this on board to really give us a thorough break down of what we need to do to establish the right parameters to even begin installing a system like this. Awesome work!
It is always great to talk with someone who really knows their stuff on any given subject. So much to learn but it's all very interesting.
Adrian DEFINATELY needs his own channel,
imaginé the laughs 😂😂😁👍👍
Takes me back to my old CB days never went near marine VHF but did do well with a old cobra rig chatted to most of the world
The skip is slowly returning too ..... FINALLY.
My mom met my horrible trucker step dad on her Cobra when he was on a 10-200.
Just like the old CB days, but a lot more complicated, and expensive!!! superb simple explanations for what was happening
Super interesting - didn't think there would be so much to installing an radio. I've put a few over the years, but never check some of these things. The tuning was really cool.
Thanks mate, glad you enjoyed it! :)
Great episode mate 👍 I’m literally 6 months behind your build which feels like almost step by step replication sometimes and this was super handy! I have to admit I never would have gone down the raymarine path if it wasn’t for watching your vids, now there is no other brand of marine electronics I would have in my boat. Buy once, cry once. I ❤️ Raymarine 😁
Got tea all over my keyboard after your brilliant how radio works lecture. Daffy❤️
Danger, Dangar !. High voltage!
Great tutorial on the VHF. I’ll be watching out for the rest of your electronics upgrades.
Been waiting for this video to come out. We know you have a life other than RUclips so any videos are good videos. Thanks for entertaining us all Stu!
More to come!
Nice video. Always cool to see the different techniques used for getting the VHF working properly.
Glad you liked it!
Really looking forward to the rest of this series
Thanks mate. I think it only gets more interesting as you start to see how the various pieces interact and work together.
Brilliant, just brilliant!
Although I've had these radios on most of my boats, some things I was never aware of.
I appreciate the detail - looking forward to the radar install 👍
Thanks mate, glad it was helpful.
Great video, excited for the rest of the series.
Thanks Kevin, I'm looking forward to getting the rest of the gear in too!
Proper setup of a transmitter is critical. Good job by the lads.
Thanks mate.
Damn... I wasted years learning radio electronics when it all really breaks down to a cat....less the cat. Superb Stu.
Good one Stu, it’s not what you know it’s who you know.👍⛵️
This is good stuff! I cant wait for the rest of the electronics!
Thanks mate, I'm looking forward to getting everything wired up too. :)
Fantastic video pal. Your content is really helping me along with all my DIY's, and in turn, saying me money! Cheers from Canada
Great equipment is essential!!! Nice work on the install and setup!!!
Thanks mate. You definitely need good equipment that is working as well as it can when you go to sea.
Wow a lot more complicated than I ever thought it would be , thanks for all the good info.
Glad to help
Great information. Thanks for sharing. Always enjoy your videos.
So nice of you, glad you like the vids. :)
It is nice to see how all of the electronics systems can integrate together to provide much more functionality.
That's it. They are great on their own, but it's amazing what they can do when working together on a network.
Awesome upgrades Stu. All you need now is a PA system with 200w horn speakers on the roof
ur explanation works better than my cats, cheers!
_"... works just like radio except, there's no cat"_ lol!
As a licensed HAM radio operator for 35ish years I’ve always wondered how this shit worked. With the clarity of Stu’s explanation the lightbulb finally went off.
HI from North Wales UK. Love your videos!
Hello there!
great video, loads of great knowledge here! Thanks Stu.
Glad to help
Awesome episode! And it is even awesomer with Adrian in it :)) cheers Stu!
Glad you enjoyed it
geeeeze Jons da man isnt he.
learnt so much, thanks for the lesson
He sure is, I've been learning heaps from him too.
RENKO is really coming along! Your doing an awesome job! Love the channel and the videos!
Thanke mate, glad you like the vids. :)
This video will become golden!
Thanks mate, was great to have the opportunity to capture Jon's experience on video.
the cat explanation was spot on
lol
It did make me laugh when I first heard that. :)
Good to see the Aussie Larrikin Back 😁😁😀👍👍
Good to see a proper radio install, too many folks just plug and play without checking things like SWR for signals reflected back into the radio and power supply levels. You don't want to find out things aren't working properly when you really need them. Cheers on another great video Stu :)
Thanks Matthew, hope to catch up again before we head north. :)
Three plus or three minus the hour and half hour is an awesome idea. Well done! In the states on Citizen's Band we had to keep channel 19 open for emergency. So easy!
It is a great simple system. :)
“Radio works just like that except it’s not a cat”. Brilliant. Snorted ma beer!!!
Thats actually a description quoted by Albert Einstein... You see, the wire telegraph is a kind of very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is there is no cat.
Man you took the fun out of that. It's the way Stu describes things, matter of fact but cool and well timed. You go with your brillancy.
Blimey the comment bores are out in force tonight. It was bloody funny. I sprayed my beer laughing. Stu’s dead pan is always brilliant.
Apparently it was said to be an Einstein quote but wasn't actually. It's still funny to think of Einstein saying it. :)
@@DangarMarine I had no idea. Was very funny, had to clean up the beer after though....
Great info from the raymarine rep, another great vid with lots of good info, thanks Stu! The cat drawing became funnier and funnier as the vid went on, and more and more technical! lol
awesome Stu. NMEA,AIS,VSWR my language. Stay safe
Thanks David!
The scope meter used in the video is a UNI-T UT81B. Here's a link to the manufacturer's product information: uni-trend.com/html/product/General_Meters/Digital_Multimeters/UT81_Series/UT81B.html
How cool is technology. Sitting in Hervey Bay I open my Android app 'Vessel Finder' and there is Renko moored off Dangar Island.
It sure is pretty amazing these days. :)
You have just scrambled my brain Stu😏
wow it took me 10 mins to install mine. shakespeare dual band antenna into radio, dc power in, nmea connect for ais, done.
Very interesting video Stu Thanks mate
Very welcome
I think I just worked out a possible issue we are having with the Radios on one of our rescue boats, this video was educational, I just hope on my next shift I don't go down a diagnostic rabbit hole 😱
Metal or glass boat? Glass boats used to have wire mesh put under the antenna to help it.
@@NullaNulla Ally boat, the Raymarine expert gave me some clues as to what the problem could be
Fiberglass antennas and coax go bad with salt water getting in little cracks. They need service or replacement exposed to foul weather. Commercial vessels use stainless steel thru the bulkhead mounts. Overkill? But a backup antenna is a good thing if you need range.
Take a grinder and bosuns chair!
@@NullaNulla That's why they tend to use halfwave antennas, no groundplane needed. Important atop a sailboat mast.
Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it
Very interesting!! Did notice some large marks going by on the sounder
Thanks Daniel. :)
Lol at the Bill Murray in the Jacques-Yves Cousteau hat.
Excellent video Stu. Smart decision at Raymarine to get on to your channel. Sales coming their way from this presentation. Hey, nice cat too helped a lot🤣!!
Thanks mate! :)
I see new controls for the motor and Hey, the woofers gone!! (music lover here) CHEERS!!
More on that next week!
Thanks for an excellent video. I learned much from that.
Had a look on Marine Traffic, and there you are. Excellent. Nice photo of the boat when you pull up the vessel data card.
Glad it was helpful! Yes, we are lucky that someone locally is acting as an internet gateway for AIS .
Great information thanks for sharing your knowledge guys 🇦🇺👍
Our pleasure!
i did not know about the 3 min after the half rule good to know
Looks like your getting some very cool electronics. 😎
Very cool! :)
Mate l have been Ham Radio Opr...For over 60 years now,SWR is the most misunderstood by most people...A lot of people have destoryed there radio stuff because of it.....I was glad to you getting that taken care of.....Thanks my friend....Cheers...!
Thanks mate, it was interesting to learn more about what it means and how it works across the frequency spectrum. Maybe not super important for VHF but very interesting non the less. :)
@@DangarMarine lt is if you wont to transmitte at longer distance....Modern radios have a safe guard built into them to keep them from over heating the finals (power transistors) but also have transistors to kick the finals...But also haft to find a happy medium between different channels on your radio...Cheers my friend...
I absolutely hate installing/tuning antennas. I would rather have my toe nails pulled with broken pliars!! When I was a firefighter, I was Captain of our Heavy Rescue and had a few department radios in my personal truck (a UHF, a VHF, and an 800mhz trucked radio) which I installed myself. Trimming and tuning those antennas was hell. Each interfered with the other to a point I couldnt get as much as a peep out due to what I was told was band/frequency crossover interfearance which is common with multiple bands in a small area. From now on....if I need a radio.....professional installation!! Thank you again for a great video and see you in the next ome.
Things definitely get much more complicated when you have multiple units interfering with each other.
Bloody hell Stu, I know you put your heart and soul into these vids but it seems the time between each one is getting longer! Riveting as always keep working on Renko hopefully it goes on forever......
Mostly still get one out each week, this one was 8 days since the last though. ;)
Very cool I found you on AIS.
...good one, nice work, stay safe..
Thanks, you too!
enjoyed this thanks!
My pleasure!
Thanks. Very informative.
Glad it was helpful!
Sweet video,west coast of Canada
Thanks 👍
These tec systems are awesome
It is amazing how much cool tech there is for boats these daysl
Realy liking these little skits your chucking in stu, i just start to think WTF is he doing then boom laughing, its great keep them coming. A little mud slinging at Cummins is always fun.
You could put an all weather speaker outside under the awning to hear the radio while working/cruising/fishing with an on/off type switch for the output to speaker.
Might not want to hear it all the time or a switchable a/b/c switch for other devices to use speaker.
I'm sure that you have, but make sure you have surge protection between antenna and radio Stu.. Also learn to build your own very cheap and easy antenna incase it ever got stuck by lightning.
V.S.R.
"Voltage standing wave ratio (VSWR) is defined as the ratio between transmitted and reflected voltage standing waves in a radio frequency (RF) electrical transmission system. It is a measure of how efficiently RF power is transmitted from the power source, through a transmission line, and into the load."
Nobody needs an oven when you got a Detroit diesel keeping your food warm :)
Cool video. As an Amateur Radio guy I would have fussed more with the antenna but your installation will work fine. Radio integration has come a long way.
I suppose you could have just used the handheld but in my experience the fact that you have installed properly a more capable system is the best way to prevent it ever needing to be used.
Best wishes and 73, Charlie in Virginia
can you explain in more detail what you would have fussed with the antenna and in what ways ,for a better results in reception or broadcasting. im not a ham radio guy but always interested to listen and learn from those who do know thank you
@@646klein It can get complicated but it is rather important to get the VSWR of the antenna as close to 1:1 as possible at the frequency(s) you want. If cutting the antenna is not giving you a way to creep up to the ideal arrangement the I would investigate the ground plane of the antenna. There are two wires on the antenna from the back of the radio, one is to that central peace of wire, the other needs to be grounded to the structure of the pilot house at the base of the antenna. If we assume the pilot house is steel and well grounded to the rest of the steel boat and that ground connection to at the base of antenna is good then you should be able to get a better VSWR. Another thing that could affect it is the ship’s mast and other metal things near the antenna. If the grounds are good moving the antenna to be more clear of other structures can help.
If all that fails then an antenna tuner, an electronic circuit made up of inductors and capacitors added underneath the antenna can help.
It is a long discussion. Charlie
@@646klein 646klein, I've been tuning ham radio and CB radio antennas for years. Try to keep your antenna away from any metal that can interfere with its radiation pattern. Install an antenna that has the gain characteristics you need. I always determine my lowest and highest frequency I intend to operate on. Make your VSWR measurement on the lowest frequency first. Then compare that to the VSWR on the highest frequency. If your last channel is to low, lengthen the antenna. If your last channel is too high, shorten the antenna. Most VHF gain antennas have about a 3 Megahertz bandwidth. Unity gain antennas operate wider bandwidth, but without gain. I hope this helps.
thank you both for your replies i know that a good ground is important to the antenna to curb eddie currents and noise in the line . and that metal masts etc can disrupt signals , i worked at a gentlemans house who was a ham radio guy he had a 30ft antenna on the roof of his house with guy wires th went to the end of his garden i assume for a good ground and stability of the antenna too there is much to learn in this field thats for sure
I like these electronics .
Me too, lots of cool toys to play with that also make boating safer.
Looking forward to the NMEA detail! I've heard of all these things before but never actually seen a working implementation.
It is interesting stuff and not as common as I would have thought given how long it has been around.
hey Stu, you have same t-shirt as me, but mine is clean 😜 Nice Raymarine stuff for Renko, almost the same as my boat setup, i run 2 Axioms, AR200, AIS700, RAY63, and some other NMEA2000 stuff. Radar and camera's is on the list.
I don't think I've had a clean one in years! ;) Sounds like a nice setup on your boat. It is great the way all this gear works together now with the networking side of things. Much better than the old days of having separate sounder / GPS / radar etc.
I have that T shirt! Nice video!
Cool, thanks!
Bahahaha...Stu, that Radio/Cat, no Cat analogy was brilliant...I'm laughing so much I'm crying🤣🤣🤣👍🇦🇺
Can't wait to spot Renko on the AIS.
You may never accept a DSC distress call without contacting a rescue coordination center first who gives you this permission! If you do this their vhf stops sending their distress call and it is your responisibillity to lead the rescue as a on scene commander.
Yes, wait for a ground station to accept and they should wait for boats in the vicinity to receive it before they accept it too.
Really interesting thanks - Great to see Renko getting the tech installed - Maybe NZ could be called Van Damian Land :-)
I like it!
The MOB1 device works with the AIS system, it uses GPS position and reports to surrounding vessels that there is a Man overboard.
Makes sense to use AIS so people in the vicinity that are able to directly able to help you find out you have a person in the water.
Oh my the how radio works explanation made me laugh, "Radio is the same just no cat" ha ha ha
Definitely in my case, the more you learn, the more you realize how little you know.
Nice one Stu gettn all the good gear by the way my my chicken hillary is brooding as well lols ,happy days ,cheers , shaneo,nelson ,nz
Every other day I try to get here to decide to join us again. :)
Easier with a hand held hey?
That was a interesting, worth it, thanks.
You're welcome. :)
Danger Stu!
Thats getting in the way of Coopers room safety first.
I ran a 11mtr side band unit for many years...had a 6 element beam @ 36 feet long also a 2k amplifier...never needed to do a radio check just warmed up the set and amp, pointed the beam to what ever country the skip was coming from and called...lol
The guy who fitted yours knows his stuff..
"11 meters 2kw" == bandit CB
@@MargaretLeber They made a film
Smokey and the bandit....lol
Harmless fun for millions of people back then, good business for the radio shops and people making the Ariel's and aftermarket parts...
@@theessexhunter1305 2 kw unlicensed HF on a directional antenna isn't "harmless".
Heroin is "good business" too.
@@MargaretLeber Shame on you bringing that comment into this platform....
I see you might be dropping stuff with your small plane lol....Or do you fly the c47?
I tried to do the cat/radio simulation now I'm bleeding, Thanks Stu.
Sorry! ;)
The electronic technicalities didn't interest me too much, but I held on to the end for the chicken segment.
BTW ask/check about lightening protection/bonding/grounding in case you are near a close hit you do not loose all your electronics.
Yes, planning to do a given on all the various types of grounds a boat needs.