PAISTE Vintage 24" GIANT BEAT vs. 24" 2002 RIDE Cymbal Comparison
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- Опубликовано: 29 апр 2012
- Here is an original Paiste 24" 1967-1971 white-label GIANT BEAT compared with two different 2002 24" RIDE models; the black label one is from a later 90s Bonham reissue pack and the red label is one I bought a few years ago. Thanks to my friend Bob for loaning me the Bonham 24" 2002 and the original 24" Giant Beat.
*This original white-label Giant Beat is actually 23 and 7/16 inches.. 
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I am a PROUD owner of a "24 giant beat. And all i can say is...I LOVE GIANT BEATS!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for the nice words!
The 21" SWEET RIDE is a great cymbal. I have the 21" ARMAND and it's great.
My personal 2002/Ludwig setup:
24" Red Label ride
20" Black Label ride 1977
20" Black Label crash 1975
20" Black Label crash (heavier by about a pound) 1978
18" Red Label crash (my favorite sounding cymbal)
18" Black Label crash (really thin) 1977
16" Black Label crash 1976
16" Red Label crash
15" Black Label sound edge 1974
Plus I use several non-2002 Paiste cymbals - 18" sound creation, 18" 2000 blue label crash, and a 505 16" crash. I use 16/18" Wuhan china cymbals (just because I love the true trashy sound)
Ludwig 3-ply 14"x 26" maple/poplar/maple (all drums in white)
Ludwig 6.5x14 Supraphonic snare
Ludwig 5x14" Vistalite Tequila Sunrise snare
Ludwig 10x14/16x16/16x18" 3-ply toms
Ludwig 14x15" 6 ply tom
Ludwig 18x20" 6 ply Floor tom
This setup takes up A LOT of floor space with all the stands and drums. I love big drums and cymbals. It is easier to get a big drum to sound small or large. A small diameter/depth tom is limited in it's sound range. You cannot make a small drum sound big, but you can make a big drum sound smaller with looser tuning. Just more versatile in my experience. Plus , small cymbals are limited in volume and range. I can extract a LOT more sound if needed with a bigger diameter cymbal. Plus , it's nice to have the option of coating everything in a layer of WHITE NOISE!!! Just a bitch to lug around. It takes me a full hour often to just unload the drums from the truck into a club , then another 1-1.5 hours to set them up. My cymbal bags weigh over 100 lbs. It is truly a setup only for those that love it. I have yet to hear a soundman say anything but compliments on the mike'd up drums.
I use a Yamaha double dragon pedal. Tama/Yamaha stands.
I use Emperor coated top heads and Ambassador bottom heads. I use aquarian Super-kick kick side head and Remo Fibreskin front head with no hole or pillow, but about 500 cotton balls in the drum for natural, movable muffling. (works perfect, better than a felt strip, and doesn't affect the tuning by lifting the head off the bearing edge where a felt strip would come out on each side)
It took me about 14--15 years of searching to piece this set together .
Love the 2002, nice and crisp
Excellent! Fingers crossed the deal goes through now. Thanks very much. Your vids are the bomb by the way.
Cool! Yeah I'm gonna go for it. Thanks again, looking forward to checking out more of your vids.
Thanks Derek! I put that video up just for laughs. I've had those cymbals for a long time and I thought I'd put them to good use!
Hey, thanks for the reply. On closer inspection of the photos sent to me (and some research online) its actually a 2002 24 inch MEDIUM. So a 24" crash cymbal, not a ride. Apparently Ian Paice used one. I don't know the exact weight but the Paiste wiki list the 1974 model as being between 3050g t0 3260g so I'm thinking it may end up sounding similar to the old GB in this video.... Anyway, thanks for the help, you really know your stuff!
Terrific! I have a 2002 24" RIDE and I love it too. I've unsolcicitedly given my opinion to the Paiste folks to make a 24" Gaint Beat Multi on the heavier side to effect some of the qualities of the heavier 2002 24" RIDE model.
Nice find! They usually run 200+ slightly used. I love mine.
GREAT JOB DUDE, GREETINS FROM ARGENTINA.
9:32 - "what would be a goos way to describe that?"
Dude... It's a nipple.
Tried them out during a trip to toronto in the last week toronto, I liked the 24" 2002 a lot and ordered it.
I have the reissue 24 GB, as well a red label 2002. The GB crashes better, imo better for swing, and washes out quicker in a rock setting. The 2002 cuts through better, better stick definition, and will create a massive wall of sound once it washes. Both have that Paiste tone, and my 2 favorite rides. They can overwhelm a small venue, so ya might want to consider a 22 for certain shows. My 2 cents anyway. My vintage rarely get used.
Bonzoleum just Swished me on the good cymbals hahaha nice info man ; ) Cheers
That's terrific!!! I think you got a deal/steal.
Then I recommend a 22" 2002 RIDE model.
I recommended to Paiste that they make a slightly heavier version of the GBs. I'd call the current one Med Thin and the slightly heavier ones Med Heavy. From my experience the originals varied in weight quite a bit and many of them were on the heavier side (heavier than the reissues).
Yeah! I freakin love it! I like that you can use it as an awesome ride and as a crash if you want :)
The original Sound Formulas are (were) terrific! I liked a lot of the Dimensions too. Many of them seemed like B8 versions of B12/B15? alloy original Sound Formulas (lathing, hammering, etc).. The 15" hi hat 'tops' I use in the vids are Alpha BAND 15"s A+B (I'm not sure if they're original run or 2nd run). They're great cymbals!
My setup is:
Black Label 2002 15" sound edge (1977)
Black Label 2002 16" thin crash
(1978)
Black Label 2002 16" med crash
(1975)
Red Label 2002 18" med crash
Red Label 2002 20" med crash
Black Label 2002 20" crash x2 (one is about 150grams heavier so its higher pitched) (1978 & 1980)
20"/24 Red Label 2002 rides
26" newish Paiste Giant Beat ride.
40" Paiste Gong (a friend traded it to me for a double barrel Russian 12ga shotgun and a case of 12ga shells. He wasnt a drummer, so we both did well on the trade 😂)
I use my 26" Giant Beat about 90% of the time. It is the most beautiful sounding cymbal I have ever heard. It sounds EXACTLY like Led Zeppelin 1 (ghostly, silvery, crashable, washy, defined, MOST MUSICAL bell.) I have a complete set of Red Labels for gigs where I have to share the kit. I dont want some ham-fisted idiot cracking my 70's black labels. Too hard to replace them all at my age of 51. Took me 25 years to find all the ones I have now....
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With all of the different cymbal lines they make, Paiste I think , is still the cutting edge cymbal maker :)
yeah definitely. My previous ride was a sabian 21" AA RBDR that I loved, but It got a crack so I just had it lathed down to like 19 1/2"'s. Looking forward to using it as a crash, which is basically how I used it when It was a full ride. Playing with double butt (hyuck hyuck) sticks will break shit. Ive since scaled back to XL 2B.
Grab it-it's a good one! I had one (red label) for a while-it was nice.
I love listening to you talk cymbals!!! What is your opinion on the original alphas and the Sound Formula and Dimensions?
Hey man, just wanna say ALL you're video's are awesome :) Even though some people may think you "ramble on" too much, I personally like it. It makes your videos much more interesting AND you also get the lessons across. One quick question: I want to do some Zepp covers and I would like to use the Paiste cymbals, but unfortunately they are EXPENSIVE! Anyway, what do you think about the 21" Zildijian A Sweet Ride? I got it almost new for about $100.
Hey, great video. Can you tell me, just what was the difference between the Giant Beat line that was discontinued in 1971 and the 2002 line that was introduced that same year? From what I can gather, they were made from the same material. I'm currently considering purchasing a mid 70s 2002 24 inch ride so any advice you can offer is much appreciated!
My '96 red label 24" 2002 ride has that same cone-like shape to the top of the bell in case you were interested...
Had to come back to this video to comment on the Hi Hat vid. I was like "OMG NO!!!" then I realized I didn't really care, since they weren't mine, and I had a good laugh.
well of course the Red Label 2002 24 is gonna be 900 grams more than the Giant Beat 24 because the giant beat is medium thin while the 2002 is medium heavy. and the vintage giant beat sounds way more high pitch than the modern giant beat.
Yes-Paiste over the last several years offers/offered/sells various prototype cymbals-I believe they were almost always sold through Guitar Center (not sure). Does the lathing look more like a Giant Beat?
That's what I thought aswell! :D
I'd say generally yes. You could get a CRASH 2002 model that mimics a current GB.
The lathing and shape of the original GBs differs from the 2002s. If you can get that 2002 24 1970s RIDE, that's a great (and rare) one to have!
The bells re a bit different, but the 90's Bonham reissue and the red label crashes sound identical.
I'm thinking about buying the GB 24'' , but i'm scared that i could crack it. How durable is it? I crash my rides alot , just wanted to know.
I have to say though, using tipless sticks is great for everything but cymbals. I can do tomtomkick triplets a lot more consistently when I use heavy sticks because I can let gravity do way more of the work.
I recommend the Vic Firth 3A, 3A Nylon, or Danny Carey’s signature if you need some more weight in the front while still having a balanced and nimble stick.
Giant Beats have a browning-green color compared to the bright copper gold color of 2002s.
Can you go try them out at a store to compare?
I don't know why I research and care so much about this stuff. My wife cant tell, and most people cant tell, and dont care, most people would not be able to tell if that was the cheapest Sabian B8 or a trash can lid, or a high end 2002 or a dark K, only nerds like us care, nobody else cares they cant tell it all sounds like a cymbal, or yup that's a drum. They have no idea what musicians do.
That what makes us super cool!
So true. Lol
I prefer the Paiste rides over virtually anything else. I just haven't found anything else with the clarity and mixture of wash vs. ping. They've spoiled my ear. I currently have a 21" 2002 ride but am looking at getting a 24" GB along with a mixture of crashes.
Yeah-you find that there's only so hard you can hit a cymbal for additional volume. DOUBLE BUTT!! That's great! Like Cheech with DOUBLE BUBBLE!
I heard that if you take two Paiste crashes (same model and size), they sound almost exactly alike. Is that true?
Terry, if i have a brand new giant beat "24 ride that i bought from musicians friend, about how much does it weigh? In grams lol
Are you on the talk chalk LOL? Your hands shake like crazy and you were a bit all over the place in the crash comparison vid
Giant Beat on left is exactly the same as 2002 on the right bar the bell slightly lower pitch
huh, even in comparison to a 24" 2002? I kind of have my heart set on one because of john bonham and jason roeder (do check him out)
So would you say that the one that Bonham used from 77 through 80 was around 3900 grams?
According to King Paiste Bob- yes. And beyond 1980...
how can you tell the difference between the old black label and the reissue or newer one?
The embossed stamp at the 3 o'clock position will be the ultimate marker.
@@bonzoleum ahh right, so if it has the modern 2002 logo, it's a reissue (obviously). I mean like the one ya see on red labels
I guess the problem is that I dont want toooo much wash on it, I want a nice ping for this as Im gonna have it in a low position for sticking / beating the shit out of the bell.
Would you say that 2002's are more durable? I think I actually prefer the sound of the giant beat, but the lower mass makes me worry that I would break it eventually. I hit really hard, and while I intend to use this mainly as a ride cymbal and leave crashing for cheaper cymbals that I can afford to replace, the thought would always be at the back of my mind.
That red label 2002 is heavier than my Zildjian Earth Ride(it weighs around 3400 g or so).
this guy is weird, but he's probably a purty good drummer......