The Mega Carriers don't want competition. They want monopoly of all the freight. EDLs and EPA emission trucks only hurt O/Os and small fleets. Welcome to the technocracy.
@@mothertruckersparadise3260 equivalating everything to yourself doesn't mean that's the way it is for everybody, you got to look at it from a bigger picture.
That’s just the beginning. Wait until you have to start maintaining and replacing all those emissions parts. Not to mention the money lost on downtime.
I gotta 2 trucks with 60 series both made it over 130,000.000 miles before needing complete overhaul cost $14,000 each with all original Detroit parts and new turbos.I rebuilt my n14 at just over a million miles cost me $10,000 all original Cummins parts and new turbo.trust me old engines are way better and and decent shop can work on them.new trucks gotta go to the dealer.2 weeks before they can even look at the truck
It was a few years ago, so things may have changed. I drove for chemical hauling company that had volvos and petes. The paccars were definitely ending up on wreckers more often. I'll take a pre emission glider any day.
As an automotive engineer I`m glad to inform that the shape of the cabin can make NOT MORE than 3% of difference in fuel consumption. Speed, skirts, driving techniques, loads, grades, engines - that is what counts.
we operate a fleet of late model Scanias and the a ability to drive them as they should be driven gives us huge mileage gains. Along with all the other bits you have mentioned to be correct.
I agree with you but my engine of choice it’s a Detroit 60 series 12.7 . I did an inframe done on at 1.7 million and a million miles later still running great, it’s does take about a gallon of oil between oil changes but I’m gona have it rebuilt here before winter, it’s a 93 DD2 cranked up to 470hp and I runs about 100k miles per year, mpg 6.5-7 My second engine choice would be cat engines, some not all 👍🏻
If you have a 2007 or older truck, keep it. Rebuild, repair, replace, re-paint. If you put $100K in that truck, in X amount of years/miles, you'll be money ahead. BTW, gliders are dead now so forget about them.
I have a 2012 Freightligner m2 with a Cummin 8.3L 380hp doing local reefer. After spending 25k into emission system, i decided to bypass it. BEST decision in my life. Used to make 6.7mpg, now i make 9.4mpg and the engine feels most more powerfull.
Im guessing you would have noticed the programmed turbo lag when the dpf is close to doing a burn is completely gone. my truck doesn't spool till 1600 when the fuckin things close to doing a burn lol
I worked for Yellow Freight and I would get a brand new Volvo with maybe 600 miles on it and leaving NJ on way to Ohio the engine light would come on or the regen light would come on
One thing I see is that a lot of people treat the new motors like the old ones, plugged emissions canisters soon after. The ones that I see working, run them hard, and start the APU before shutting down the main engine. If you have high idle times in your daily operation, yes, I do not see how you could ever run the new emissions motors. They are not meant to be idled longer than to cool down. Best wishes all.
You should check out 12,7’s, buddy of mine got 2 million before he rebuilt his. He was an OTR driver, the cylinder walls still fairly decent currently the truck is sitting and she still starts perfectly after 6 years of sitting
You have it figured out. My friend has a 2012 kenworth, spent $11000 + on emission repairs and then the motor blew up at 372,000 miles. What do you do now? Absolute nightmare.
The company I work for has all emissions trucks ( freightliners and T680’s) and we trade them in before they even reach 500 thousand miles if that tells you anything.
Are you OTR? Most OTR companies wont let their trucks go above 500k because the breakdowns cost a ton of money to fix and mean a loss of revenue, cheaper to buy new trucks. Those trucks are usually bought by companies doing in town or short hauls.
I had a truck with DEF in 2012. I was towed 3 X in 1 month because it governs you down to 5 mph when the DEF says there is a problem. Each tow was like a 1000 dollars. Nothing was ever found to be wrong once it was at the shop. I will never do DEF again.
I find these videos fascinating, the difference between operating experiences in the US with European specifically UK in my case is amazing. Yes when emissions first arrived there were plenty of problems but that's all history now since about 16/17, and that you're getting better fuel from a N14 than a MX13 is frankly mind blowing, over here I would expect the difference to be at least 50% in favour of the MX13 although to be fair the MX is the most troublesome modern engine but that's camshaft related not emissions. I remember Commercial Motor magazine over here many years ago saying that the main problem with the 14 litre Cummins is that the original owner never benefits from it's longevity because the fuel usage broke him long before he got the benefit. The question is what is the difference between Euro 6 and EPA the makes these differences because excepting the X15 which isn't sold here, all the other engines are basically the same except for the different emission standards and the European tendancy to get more power out of a block than in North America. Oh and enough of this talk of 50% residual at 5 years old, try half that, we do well to get 50% at three years old, always been that way, although they are a bit cheaper to start with, as long as it isn't a Scania V8.
Wow ….. yea we have a long way to go in our emissions !!! Paccar long hood trucks will typically hold their value better than any other truck ……. If you look on truck paper you can see what asking prices are for 5 year old trucks ….
That’s why the pre emission /glider trucks are so valuable , the epa screwed us and cost us owner operators so much money that we can barely afford breakdowns , and the fuel mileage with the trucks with def cost more per miles the the non def trucks , so how is the epa helping with the bad mileage that we are getting ????? and I’m not sure if the x-15 is any better, the epa needs shut down till they can figure out how to pul there heads out of there asses ( p.s. keep that deleting trucks to yourself especially if you buy new trucks , the fine is crazy high for deleting them , the epa is cracking down on that )
The saying is that your going to pay payments or repairs, most guys figure they can make more money if the truck keeps moving so payments and a new truck is awesome, until you have payments and down time and repair bills all at once, who pays for that, you have to be committed to driving the new truck cause payment never stop, and you know repairs are on there way, you have to make money to keep the truck running, or step back a little, drive a old truck that's paid off, has some repairs but mostly cheap, and put the money where it belongs into your pocket and pay your house off, get ahead in life, you don't work for that truck, it works for you, treat it that way
Western Star and Mack's are built as heavy duty trucks. Cement, logging, and getting them into construction area's. Just my opinion. Also WS is getting 5.4 mpg hauling 10 yards concrete mixing.
I was a mechanic for a chip hauling company. We had a few stars they held up ok. Kinda a pain to work on. That may have been we had just about a full fleet of peterbuilts. I would stay paccar it easier for mechanic and keeping parts in stock.
The DPF filter should be automatically bypassed whenever the truck is on the open road, known by GPS location and mph. High concentrations of diesel particulates are somewhat a health problem in congested traffic, but on the open highway there is more natural dust than diesel soot. The EPA would attempt to regulate natural dust if they were able to find someone to blame.
@@vivien_hardgas Diesel soot is only an issue in congested city traffic, not when driving across states like Nebraska. The EPA does not make rational rules, it is a binary all-or-nothing, my-way-or-the-highway thinking. Visit Lubbock in late winter when the winds kick up and center pivot irrigation pumps aren't working - there will be times of terrible dust storms until crops can be planted. For those with asthma the dust is much worse than diesel soot, Lubbock uses what looks like snow plows to clear some streets.
@@timothykeith1367 VW basecally just had a software that knew if the car was in the reapairshop or not and turned the exaust cleaning on and off if needed. over here in EU you can get emulators that simulate exhaust cleaning but highly illegal! anyway i agree with you or mostly just not use diesel cleaning at all since germans found out n0x and sood have not really an effect in overall city pollution. brakes wheels and gas stoves are doing thier parts too. Edit over here the reugaltions are harder and some streets are even forbidden for diesel cars
Thank you for putting this video out. I watched the ET video also and couldn't agree with you more. Application for the truck is key. Arctic climates in remote areas with emission truck engines is a disaster, and dangerous. The amount of problems that we have had in the heavy equipment world with emission engines has been outrageous. Down time due to parked regens in the beginning, learning curves for both the operator and mechanic to prevent the final stage lock-out for regen requiring the dealer to come out and unlock the machine and force a regen, emission component failure and diagnosis time involved in figuring it out, DEF issues, etc...etc... JH Diesel and 4x4 who is being attacked by the EPA put out a video the other day breaking down the actual numbers for diesel vehicles, and he thinks its less that 3% of all on highway vehicles are diesel. All this nonsense and political terrorism by the EPA for a tiny fraction of engines being used. Thanks again. Keep up the good work.
Yes. I saw his video !!! I couldn’t agree more !!! EPA is forcing all this stupid stuff ….. the sad part is Cummins has played there part in it as well. They wanted emissions and were fighting hard to get rid of gliders !!!!
Every day I run a 1986 peterbilt 359 and my friends are all posting pictures of their new trucks dashboards lit up like a Christmas tree and pictures of shop time . I hate new trucks . Late 90s early 2000’s cat motor is the way to go. I had a 2003 379 with 1.3 million original miles on cat MBN 550 Single turbo before it got an in frame .it was running fine The date went in the shop. We just thought it may be time because of some blow by!
Very pre-emissions, I worked for a Canadian flatbed carrier back in the mid 1990’s that ran “older iron” then, around 5 was common for fuel economy in their Mack R’s. Mack engines and rears for the most part, with a mix of Mack and Fuller transmissions. 80,000 was the typical gross weight going into the US, return loads a mix of light (roof insulation, empty shipping containers) and heavier (lumber, and back then crushed cars were allowed on open flatbeds)
Hi Justin I’m the guy from the uk who’s commented on another of your videos,I’m glad your using disc brakes on all you trucks my last cab over here in the uk was a12liter 460hp Volvo globetrotter pulling a 36’ rear end dump trailer truck and trailer all on air and all on disc brakes,3axles on tractor and on trailer as it had to be in the uk to haul max weight,I’ll also agree with you that changing brake pad and rotors is a lot easier and a lot quicker than heavy numb drum brakes,I’ve done both and I’ve hauled liquid fertiliser in tankers to in the uk
We have a 2012 389. BEAUTIFUL truck! Had 380k and had to do all the emission repairs. 12K GONE. At 450k it all was junk again. So spending 12k the shop foreman said a 5k delete was the way to go. 40k miles later......mind ya it ran like a scalded ass ape......motor chipped a valve. PACCAR motors are hard to find someone to rebuild....at the Pete Stealership......it was 5 months and $55,000 to get a rebuild and to un-delete the truck. SO.......NOTHING WAS ACCOMPLISHED!
I wholeheartedly agree. We had to W900’s. Other than the engine they were identical. My truck was a 2002 C16 and the other was a 2017 16L Cummins. I would regularly get 6.2mpg pulling super b-trains. The newer Cummins would barely get 5mpg. To make matters worse in the winter the newer one spent more time in the shop then going down the road. I like the old philosophy when it comes to engines. Think of them like an air pump. The more you restrict them the less they can do.
Volvo would be a huge mistake. I had to park my 05 W900 to do a concert tour starting in California... went to Penski and rented a Volvo, 33 services calls, 2 different trucks.
5800 in repairs 30 miles later check lights back on. After that I disconnected the speed sensor to avoid derate drive it to my mechanic and deleted the emissions. That wax 3 months ago. Haven't had an issue since.
As Curtis Noble stated, it's all about how the trucks are spec'ed. Kinda hard to compare a tractor and a dump truck from two different manufacturers, ages, different engines, one with permanent box vs one that can run bob tail and has a oversized cab protector on the box which acts like a dam thus increasing drag dramatically. One is geared for highway use, the other for off road use. All these inputs will make a huge difference in overall fuel mileage. Unfortunately as much as I hate to say it but eventually just like Elogs, we will all be forced over to emissions compliant trucks just as California did. It's inevitable. Fitzgerald and the other glider companies are no longer making gliders with pre emissions engines so once they are gone, they are gone. It's either except it or close up shop. I'm a huge fan of the 60 series but I've not had any trouble thus far with the DD15. Good fuel mileage (OTR), no emissions issues but one thing I have noticed with the guys having problems with the emissions systems is idling to much. I rarely idle at all and don't run in constant stop and go traffic so the system stays clean. You'll just have to make it work and adjust for the newer trucks. Work smarter, not harder.
Over here in northwest Indiana. Use to drive for a trash hauling company had T800, T880’s Mack and Frieghtliners.The Kenworth’s held up the best in the landfills. A lot of the major trash haulers are still using T880’s over Other brands.
I think instead of worrying about if they're going to delete all of the pre emission engines you should worry more about the kommies "canceling" the diesel engine.
my company we have western stars with DD13 500-800k miles. not many engine problems with proper service. just check engine lights for days with emission codes. you have to pay $$$$$$ for a good mechanic to keep up with your fleet
I think you're straight Hood with no salt trucks will hold their resale value better than other run-of-the-mill nose-down fleet trucks. Yah, you can get fleet 2011s-13s Volvo's & Freightliners for about $21,000 out the door at truck sales lots all day long and six ways to Sunday. I know damn well these trucks cost six figures when they were new. So you are correct that they lose almost 80% of their value within a decade. I'm not counting Kaiser Transport fleet trucks cuz their fleet trucks are straight Hood Peterbilt 389s
Nice, nice, shop! Something that size takes patience and you have plenty it seems. I hi ope employees appreciate the company party! I’m glad you are big and successful, but small enough to appreciate all your working folks! Cool videos too!
Greetings from the Ohio Porters. Wonderful topic! I know a guy who bought 6 new rigs in 2014(I believe). All of them spent a good deal of time in the shop for emission issues, except one was sabotaged by an employee who used sugar in the fuel. When the warranties ran out, the owner bought older trucks with Detroit engines and took those engines out and placed them into the newer trucks. He is making more money now and has had FEWER issues than ever. Did he do the right thing…he thinks so. They spend a lot less time in the shop now and they do get fixed when they are in there. He bought a few more old trucks to have the engines as backups even. You have to have a reliable truck! Bottom line! Now all the pre emission trucks are all bought up and can’t be made any longer. The new Fitzgerald trucks are just glorified dealerships now. Everyone likes to have a new rig, but you do spend so much on them. You can’t buy one now with a Cat engine in it, I believe. You pretty much have to take your older trucks, rebuild them to your specs and then keep on using them until the new ones are built like they should be. I love old iron and think more of them! I don’t like Volvos at all! There are too many cookie cutter trucks out there! Thanks for sharing! 🇺🇸😎🥰🤩
In Australia there is talk of making it more expensive to register pre emissions trucks by adding 10% on top on the cost of rego of the truck for older trucks.
I agree with You on the Aerodynamic Truck's SUCK!!!! And Volvo Truck's SUCK even more!!! Keep doing what you are doing that's why you are successful in your business. Don't let people tell You what and how to buy your Truck's your doing Awesome and like always Awesome Video
Totally agree with what you've said here! I have a 1800 acre farm and also have had bad luck with anything new including the 3 semis we have. Everything we own is now 1995 or older. Old iron is usually more efficient and easier to work on. New trucks are 100% JUNK is a bumper sticker I need. haha
The problem is the mechanics aren’t trained to fix and diagnose the problems on emission motors they just read codes and throw parts at the new trucks. Look up rawse on RUclips he knows his stuff and he’s got like a 1 million miles out of his isx with emissions
I love the entire line of prevost air supply equipment. They have a amazing aluminum air line system along with reels and fittings. You really should check out all the stuff available.
This new emission stuff is depressing. It is hard to justify spending the amount of money on a truck if you cannot make enough to pay for it to run down the road it almost seems they engineer the equipment to last long enough for you to make a little bit of money. I wonder if it is on purpose? I remember the older trucks they were not built to the tolerances that they could in the 90s and 2000s where the trucks were expected to run a million miles and done it with the right Driver. The first truck I ever drove had over a million once I showed the boss I could take care of one. He bought me and almost new one and I put several hundred thousand on it. That was a few years ago. I know this if the bosses are not making money the employees aren’t either. Companies like yours and the the other thousands out is what keep the country going. Keep going!!!!!
I work for company running lease Mack Pinnical's and Volvo's Man they are JUNK. Interior is CHEAP. The emission problems only get worse in the winter. As a driver it really burns my butt to have to stop with no real warning to do parked regen for an hour. All the nanny bells n B.S. ugh.
Interesting video Justin! Wish you guys a great bbq in the new shop!! I don't like new trucks , just like pre emmission !! I don't now anything about fuel milege.
Having just got a 2022 Freightliner Cascadia day cab back in Feb...if I were to add the time it spent in the shop already, between 6-8 weeks. Emissions, the new on guard systems, shaking issue, etc. Also, to top it off, the truck only gets me between 6-6.5mpg. SMH
the company i work for has 4500 tractors and the most problems are with the junk cascadias and the T680s.From what i hear very few problems with macks except a few computer problems,regen problems on all if the driver isn't properly regaining as needed.
We run a lot of newer kenworth and peterbilt trucks with Cummins isx and x15 motors and 2 2020 western stars with the new dd16 Detroit’s Pretty much all heavy haul oilfield work. Average rebuild is around 300k for Cummins. Western stars have been in the shop more than all the other trucks combined and they have less than 100k on them. Still have a few kenworth left with C15s and they’re still my favorite by far
Don’t worry about the illegal part the whole country does illegal things one more won’t hurt my 2009 is deleted with a 2008 60series 14L 1,224,566 miles on her replaced small parts the usual and did a in frame on it runs like a good machine that’s my plan on my next truck to build up a used pre emissions w900 I’ve always wanted
I personally drive a 94 Pete but my fleet is all 2018+ Freightliner cascadas, I avg about 7.8 mpg with a dd15 and dt12 trans, the western star with the dd15 and 18 speed eaton or dt12 auto would be good, in your application the auto trans will not hold. I feel like you should avg 6.5 running a western star. There are less problems with the Detroits but sell the truck as soon as it hits 350k that's when problems start, the Detroits like the Cummins ISX like to blow head gaskets as well.
up here in ontario canada our government got rid of emissions testing for cars and pickups but new stricter test on commercial trucks . i hear the dot and even police departments are really cracking down on deleted diesel in the us and giving out huge fines . it’s getting to the point it’s not worth the risk
I own a 2014 W9L, 525hp Cummins, 18spd, at 650k I deleted it. Over the course of 2yrs before I deleted it, it cost me $10-12k in emission repair. NOX sensors, DPF filters, check engine lights, loss of revenue, it was bankrupting me. Now 1yr after delete, Zero issues and Zero down time! Was the best decision I made to my truck👍
Another great video! It's obvious you've gone over and over the numbers (and still are!) to come up with what works best for your business. Can you still purchase /do they still make gliders??You have a great looking fleet and I enjoy your videos!
One of the best way I got good fuel consumption was to use the/a boost gage. Each day is different of what the boost gage shows when holding the pedal to the rug depending on weather conditions (air density). [For lack of better numbers] Ok today it shows 30psi when i go full pedal in a pull. Now I know what maximum boost is, I would regulate my lead-foot by running 2 pounds less of full boost. IF today shows 30psi boost, THEN I never let push throttle past 28psi and select a gear in the hill that allowed me 2psi less. The 3406 B&E engines I ran, I could get decent fuel consumption. in 550miles of Lake Superior hilly highway [Nipigon to Sudbury] I could save $160 fuel by being 2 psi out of full boost.
I use to work in the shop at Johnson equipment, part of Leonard's express, they run all newer trucks and would lease them out or send them to auction once they get around 500k-600k miles. Most of there trucks are Cummins and Detroit's, a few paccars, but the Detroit's were In the shop far less than anything else for emission issues. The Cummins would have to have the dpf's replaced far more often.
From my experience the Detroit's are the best emissions motors you can get. Unfortunately the new Freightliners and westerns don't have the build quality of Pete's and kws
I make about a $20,000 truck payment every year for emissions related problems with my Paccar yeah it's been paid off for 2 years but I still go into the shop every couple times a year with a d rate let alone the tow bill plus all the other maintenance . My uncle whos an owner operator has owned the same truck for 30 years now it has a caterpillar 3406b and it's got about 2 million miles on it the only thing he's done to it is rods and mains .....
Only nice thing about new trucks is they are nice inside too for a while but you can keep the automatic and the emissions motor. I prefer old school and no def. series 60 or the n14 but the Cummins has more power and gets better mileage and goes usually 800,000 miles between in frames
Can't compare European trucking to the USA in Europe speed is a lot lower so diesel consumption is a lot lower wouldn't like to go coast to coast at 56mph
Just depends on the lanes your running. Example from Houston tx to LA you can run 70mph and get 9+ mpg . Going the other way I get 7.5 mpg that's in a 19 freightliner. Trailer tail and skirts.
Downtime will Bankrupt u with a new truck. Ex peterbilt 2 week wait to get in the shop n not including if the part is on back order. That's 6 to 15k gone in lost revenue.
I watched the ET transport video too and while they’re very informative, he did say at one point the driver was running 30thousand lbs I mean come on that’s light weight
80 thousand pounds is light weight for 500hp trucks. I think that's why so many US trucks have emissions trouble, Their engines aren't working properly.
Keep in mind that it's not just new trucks. Everything made today from trucks, to cars, to cell phones, EVERYTHING is built to fail in a few years so you have to replace them. Around 10 years ago Apple couldn't get people to buy their new very expensive I-phones. So what they did was to stop updating the old ones, and slowing down the speed at which they could surf the web. In essence they were forcing people to buy new phones and they got caught, but nothing changed. Now they and all cell phone makers manufacture them so you can't even replace the batteries which on average last 3 years. The same is true for emission trucks. I own a 2019 T680 and fully expect I'll need to replace it no later than 2023. I live in California, so no gliders available for us out here.
It's a manufacturers backfire as they said round about the year 2000 that modern diesel engines (commonrail) would never need the glow plugs replaced. That was a mistake/mislead therefore black smoke started spilling out of exhausts hence the need for emissions equipment
My dad owns a 2011 Cascadia with a DD-15 and knock on wood, even with just over 1m miles, he's never had to do any major engine work to it. I think it's just a lucky truck or something though. My uncles have had similar trucks with DD-15s and get problem after problem. The reality is that pre-emission trucks are just always gonna be more reliable. The only "nice" thing with the newer trucks is that assuming they're working, the computers and sensors do a good job of leading you to the issue if the truck does have a problem.
@4:50 This is the trick-bag with newer emmision (2007+) mission short-haul or high idling trucks containing the Obama pollution equipment: the pollution equipment even says in its manuals that these engines pollution stuff does not tolerate idling. But how you supposed to not idle if you're in the dump truck in line waiting to dump or receive asphalt on a road construction job?
that's exactly right every job field will get you different numbers regarding efficiency especially when you trying to get through mud and other off-road conditions! One thing you did forget to mention the technical aspect of working on new trucks you need more training which again cost more money for those technicians?
I had a 579 450 Cummins 13 speed 3:55 rears hauling a dedicated every week with 45k in a van and my quarterly was 6.8 in the summer. 6.5 in the winter. I have an APU so little idol time. Been in my new 2022 389 with same rears 18 speed with 500 performance Cummins. I’m at 6.1 pushing a cigar box compared to a aerodynamic truck. I had no issues after 450k with emissions. Older passive regen trucks have more sensors and larger filters. Sometimes it’s drivers who don’t pay the bills and don’t care if they idol the truck when it’s not needed. Flint Creek runs heavy and off road and has legitimate complaints on trucks that are not made for that. All I can say is I’d love to have my old 84 Ford but you just can’t buy em
To save time , bad weather and foot leather, invest in a golf cart to ride around the business. As much as I love PACCAR products, those emissions engines with tons of sensors and plastic everywhere are a headache for small trucking companies and you can't personalize aerodynamic rigs; in addition glued trucks cannot stand up to the rigors of REAL trucking. My cousin used to work for a Volvo dealer and there's so much electronics in it you might mistakenly short out something. If you go by an independent truck repair shop, what truck sits there the most? Volvo. Western Star- uses quite a few Freightliner parts since they're owned by Diamler.
It is not the def only. It is how and why they where made. They are not to bild to last, they are bild to meet regulations. Untested components and lowes cost manufacturing is the idea. Also many companies makes profits only in service. Nev engines make more power and les polution when new. After that they need rebild.
fuel mileage is very much controlled by how the driver "drives" it. if you want mileage keep your foot out of it. i haven driven that 1 driver gets 5 and i climb in it i get 7 to 8 same load same drive. give it only what it needs. keep your foot out of it and you will get better mileage.
I completely agree with you on the glider kits. I have a 2017 Peterbilt 579 with a 99 cat. Great combination I pull a flatbed averaging 7.0 to 7.4 mpg.Wouldn’t trade it for the world.
New emission motors are a big expense. Thank the people who know nothing about trucks to come up with the crazy laws about trucks and truck driving.
Yep, politicians.
And now they want to push EV’s….
@@BORIKKEN EV may not have much problems. But replacing the lithium battery once it depreciate will be very expensive
@@jobwachira8471 let alone the extra weight from the battery
@@minecraftfirefighter definitely, I can only imagine how huge that battery will be to power a 40T Truck
That's why pre emissions trucks are selling so high
exactly very hard to find in austin texas. out of my 11 trucks 6 had problems, freightliner are so frustrating.
“New trucks are 100% junk” 😂I like that statement….!!!
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@@omarlaak5142 which will end you when you get the fines for tampering with emissions. They are cracking down hard now!
Government is 90% commie.
You having money is not in their thoughts.
The Mega Carriers don't want competition. They want monopoly of all the freight. EDLs and EPA emission trucks only hurt O/Os and small fleets. Welcome to the technocracy.
absolutely true.
Hasn't hurt me one bit.
@@mothertruckersparadise3260 equivalating everything to yourself doesn't mean that's the way it is for everybody, you got to look at it from a bigger picture.
That’s just the beginning. Wait until you have to start maintaining and replacing all those emissions parts. Not to mention the money lost on downtime.
3406E, single turbo c15, n14, series 60. Thats all you need to know
Mack V8, 3408, 8 and 12V91
@@felixwankel3989 much respect for them but boat anchors compared to the electronic engines
I gotta 2 trucks with 60 series both made it over 130,000.000 miles before needing complete overhaul cost $14,000 each with all original Detroit parts and new turbos.I rebuilt my n14 at just over a million miles cost me $10,000 all original Cummins parts and new turbo.trust me old engines are way better and and decent shop can work on them.new trucks gotta go to the dealer.2 weeks before they can even look at the truck
non emssions caterpillars and cummins are the way to go
Amen 👍
It was a few years ago, so things may have changed. I drove for chemical hauling company that had volvos and petes. The paccars were definitely ending up on wreckers more often. I'll take a pre emission glider any day.
As an automotive engineer I`m glad to inform that the shape of the cabin can make NOT MORE than 3% of difference in fuel consumption.
Speed, skirts, driving techniques, loads, grades, engines - that is what counts.
Interesting
we operate a fleet of late model Scanias and the a ability to drive them as they should be driven gives us huge mileage gains. Along with all the other bits you have mentioned to be correct.
Late 70’s and early 80’s Kenworths with 8v92’s got 4 to 5 mpg. 40 yeats later and all this technology and nothings changed
I agree with you but my engine of choice it’s a Detroit 60 series 12.7 . I did an inframe done on at 1.7 million and a million miles later still running great, it’s does take about a gallon of oil between oil changes but I’m gona have it rebuilt here before winter, it’s a 93 DD2 cranked up to 470hp and I runs about 100k miles per year, mpg 6.5-7
My second engine choice would be cat engines, some not all 👍🏻
What type of inframe kit did you use on the ddec2?
If you have a 2007 or older truck, keep it. Rebuild, repair, replace, re-paint. If you put $100K in that truck, in X amount of years/miles, you'll be money ahead. BTW, gliders are dead now so forget about them.
I have a 2012 Freightligner m2 with a Cummin 8.3L 380hp doing local reefer. After spending 25k into emission system, i decided to bypass it. BEST decision in my life. Used to make 6.7mpg, now i make 9.4mpg and the engine feels most more powerfull.
Im guessing you would have noticed the programmed turbo lag when the dpf is close to doing a burn is completely gone. my truck doesn't spool till 1600 when the fuckin things close to doing a burn lol
Just saw one of your trucks I90 EB in Utica NY!! 5/28 12:35pm I’ll remember this day forever 🥺
👌🏽that’s awesome !!
I worked for Yellow Freight and I would get a brand new Volvo with maybe 600 miles on it and leaving NJ on way to Ohio the engine light would come on or the regen light would come on
One thing I see is that a lot of people treat the new motors like the old ones, plugged emissions canisters soon after. The ones that I see working, run them hard, and start the APU before shutting down the main engine. If you have high idle times in your daily operation, yes, I do not see how you could ever run the new emissions motors. They are not meant to be idled longer than to cool down.
Best wishes all.
Bought an 06 WS 4900EX end of last year. Just under 500k miles for 54k with a Detroit 60S motor. She is good.
You should check out 12,7’s, buddy of mine got 2 million before he rebuilt his. He was an OTR driver, the cylinder walls still fairly decent currently the truck is sitting and she still starts perfectly after 6 years of sitting
Your 100% right.
Been driving 28 years, the last 8 I've broke down alot with the newer ones.
yup my new trucks are breaking down a bunch.
You have it figured out. My friend has a 2012 kenworth, spent $11000 + on emission repairs and then the motor blew up at 372,000 miles. What do you do now? Absolute nightmare.
Wow. That’s to bad ….
Love your videos. Appreciate your opinions and business insight. I'm not a trucker or business owner. Just enjoy the videos. Well done sir.
Thankyou
I hauled fuel for a company that was buying brand new Pete's, rolling chassis only. Then putting cats in them. No emission crap.
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"gliders" are illegal now
The company I work for has all emissions trucks ( freightliners and T680’s) and we trade them in before they even reach 500 thousand miles if that tells you anything.
Are you OTR? Most OTR companies wont let their trucks go above 500k because the breakdowns cost a ton of money to fix and mean a loss of revenue, cheaper to buy new trucks. Those trucks are usually bought by companies doing in town or short hauls.
Thanks for the information witch I already knew have a 96 9300 binder with a Detroit and I ain't giving it up I averaged 6.5 last month so it a keeper
for sure !!
I had a truck with DEF in 2012. I was towed 3 X in 1 month because it governs you down to 5 mph when the DEF says there is a problem. Each tow was like a 1000 dollars. Nothing was ever found to be wrong once it was at the shop. I will never do DEF again.
I find these videos fascinating, the difference between operating experiences in the US with European specifically UK in my case is amazing. Yes when emissions first arrived there were plenty of problems but that's all history now since about 16/17, and that you're getting better fuel from a N14 than a MX13 is frankly mind blowing, over here I would expect the difference to be at least 50% in favour of the MX13 although to be fair the MX is the most troublesome modern engine but that's camshaft related not emissions. I remember Commercial Motor magazine over here many years ago saying that the main problem with the 14 litre Cummins is that the original owner never benefits from it's longevity because the fuel usage broke him long before he got the benefit.
The question is what is the difference between Euro 6 and EPA the makes these differences because excepting the X15 which isn't sold here, all the other engines are basically the same except for the different emission standards and the European tendancy to get more power out of a block than in North America.
Oh and enough of this talk of 50% residual at 5 years old, try half that, we do well to get 50% at three years old, always been that way, although they are a bit cheaper to start with, as long as it isn't a Scania V8.
Wow ….. yea we have a long way to go in our emissions !!! Paccar long hood trucks will typically hold their value better than any other truck ……. If you look on truck paper you can see what asking prices are for 5 year old trucks ….
That’s why the pre emission /glider trucks are so valuable , the epa screwed us and cost us owner operators so much money that we can barely afford breakdowns , and the fuel mileage with the trucks with def cost more per miles the the non def trucks , so how is the epa helping with the bad mileage that we are getting ????? and I’m not sure if the x-15 is any better, the epa needs shut down till they can figure out how to pul there heads out of there asses ( p.s. keep that deleting trucks to yourself especially if you buy new trucks , the fine is crazy high for deleting them , the epa is cracking down on that )
alll abs agencies need defunded...irs to hire 40,000 new agents....
The saying is that your going to pay payments or repairs, most guys figure they can make more money if the truck keeps moving so payments and a new truck is awesome, until you have payments and down time and repair bills all at once, who pays for that, you have to be committed to driving the new truck cause payment never stop, and you know repairs are on there way, you have to make money to keep the truck running, or step back a little, drive a old truck that's paid off, has some repairs but mostly cheap, and put the money where it belongs into your pocket and pay your house off, get ahead in life, you don't work for that truck, it works for you, treat it that way
Western Star and Mack's are built as heavy duty trucks. Cement, logging, and getting them into construction area's. Just my opinion. Also WS is getting 5.4 mpg hauling 10 yards concrete mixing.
MY old 1993 IH eagle with Detroit gets over 7 mpg
Western Star is a freightliner, Mack uses Volvo electronics. Both have issues
We are like the same mind when it comes to new trucks.
I’m with u I like my 2000 international with my 60 series Detroit. And our 02 Pete’s with the cats in them. I don’t care for the emission stuff
I was a mechanic for a chip hauling company. We had a few stars they held up ok. Kinda a pain to work on. That may have been we had just about a full fleet of peterbuilts. I would stay paccar it easier for mechanic and keeping parts in stock.
Every truck Using DEF no matter what year has problems, give me a glider with an old Cat
yes completely agree.
Nit true
I see golf carts in your future, that walk is gonna get old lol. Might as well buy a few and get it over with :)
Right
The DPF filter should be automatically bypassed whenever the truck is on the open road, known by GPS location and mph. High concentrations of diesel particulates are somewhat a health problem in congested traffic, but on the open highway there is more natural dust than diesel soot. The EPA would attempt to regulate natural dust if they were able to find someone to blame.
"The EPA would attempt to regulate natural dust if they were able to find someone to blame." yea or to monetize it
literally what VW did back then.
@@vivien_hardgas Diesel soot is only an issue in congested city traffic, not when driving across states like Nebraska. The EPA does not make rational rules, it is a binary all-or-nothing, my-way-or-the-highway thinking. Visit Lubbock in late winter when the winds kick up and center pivot irrigation pumps aren't working - there will be times of terrible dust storms until crops can be planted. For those with asthma the dust is much worse than diesel soot, Lubbock uses what looks like snow plows to clear some streets.
@@timothykeith1367 VW basecally just had a software that knew if the car was in the reapairshop or not and turned the exaust cleaning on and off if needed. over here in EU you can get emulators that simulate exhaust cleaning but highly illegal! anyway i agree with you or mostly just not use diesel cleaning at all since germans found out n0x and sood have not really an effect in overall city pollution. brakes wheels and gas stoves are doing thier parts too.
Edit over here the reugaltions are harder and some streets are even forbidden for diesel cars
Wow I thought that 5.6mpg was good. We are getting right around 4 mpg with an underpowered px9 topping out at 56,000. On tandem oil delivery trucks
Thank you for putting this video out. I watched the ET video also and couldn't agree with you more. Application for the truck is key. Arctic climates in remote areas with emission truck engines is a disaster, and dangerous. The amount of problems that we have had in the heavy equipment world with emission engines has been outrageous. Down time due to parked regens in the beginning, learning curves for both the operator and mechanic to prevent the final stage lock-out for regen requiring the dealer to come out and unlock the machine and force a regen, emission component failure and diagnosis time involved in figuring it out, DEF issues, etc...etc... JH Diesel and 4x4 who is being attacked by the EPA put out a video the other day breaking down the actual numbers for diesel vehicles, and he thinks its less that 3% of all on highway vehicles are diesel. All this nonsense and political terrorism by the EPA for a tiny fraction of engines being used. Thanks again. Keep up the good work.
Yes. I saw his video !!! I couldn’t agree more !!! EPA is forcing all this stupid stuff ….. the sad part is Cummins has played there part in it as well. They wanted emissions and were fighting hard to get rid of gliders !!!!
The body on that Pete dump is huge in the front that’s why I bet
Every day I run a 1986 peterbilt 359 and my friends are all posting pictures of their new trucks dashboards lit up like a Christmas tree and pictures of shop time . I hate new trucks . Late 90s early 2000’s cat motor is the way to go. I had a 2003 379 with 1.3 million original miles on cat MBN 550 Single turbo before it got an in frame .it was running fine The date went in the shop. We just thought it may be time because of some blow by!
Very pre-emissions, I worked for a Canadian flatbed carrier back in the mid 1990’s that ran “older iron” then, around 5 was common for fuel economy in their Mack R’s. Mack engines and rears for the most part, with a mix of Mack and Fuller transmissions. 80,000 was the typical gross weight going into the US, return loads a mix of light (roof insulation, empty shipping containers) and heavier (lumber, and back then crushed cars were allowed on open flatbeds)
Also apparently at least from what Fitzgerald said there are no new glider trucks being manufactured after 2021 the EPA killed them.
Correct
Hi Justin I’m the guy from the uk who’s commented on another of your videos,I’m glad your using disc brakes on all you trucks my last cab over here in the uk was a12liter 460hp Volvo globetrotter pulling a 36’ rear end dump trailer truck and trailer all on air and all on disc brakes,3axles on tractor and on trailer as it had to be in the uk to haul max weight,I’ll also agree with you that changing brake pad and rotors is a lot easier and a lot quicker than heavy numb drum brakes,I’ve done both and I’ve hauled liquid fertiliser in tankers to in the uk
Hi !! Thankyou for your input !!
@@flintcreektransport Justin your welcome
We have a 2012 389. BEAUTIFUL truck! Had 380k and had to do all the emission repairs. 12K GONE. At 450k it all was junk again. So spending 12k the shop foreman said a 5k delete was the way to go. 40k miles later......mind ya it ran like a scalded ass ape......motor chipped a valve. PACCAR motors are hard to find someone to rebuild....at the Pete Stealership......it was 5 months and $55,000 to get a rebuild and to un-delete the truck. SO.......NOTHING WAS ACCOMPLISHED!
Wow !!!! And thats the same for just about every truck !!!!!
I wholeheartedly agree. We had to W900’s. Other than the engine they were identical. My truck was a 2002 C16 and the other was a 2017 16L Cummins. I would regularly get 6.2mpg pulling super b-trains. The newer Cummins would barely get 5mpg. To make matters worse in the winter the newer one spent more time in the shop then going down the road. I like the old philosophy when it comes to engines. Think of them like an air pump. The more you restrict them the less they can do.
Volvo would be a huge mistake. I had to park my 05 W900 to do a concert tour starting in California... went to Penski and rented a Volvo, 33 services calls, 2 different trucks.
everything on a volvo is built cheap . junk
Those emissions costs will bankrupt alot of owners.
I agree.
I agree its tough with the costs and insurance.
5800 in repairs 30 miles later check lights back on. After that I disconnected the speed sensor to avoid derate drive it to my mechanic and deleted the emissions. That wax 3 months ago. Haven't had an issue since.
@@kemosabeusmc how much did it cost.. did u remove the def egr?
@@dell7054 3000.... egr was plugged and welded, 1 box emptied, computer programmed to simulate regens if necessary, def gauge shows full at all times.
Fuel economy also depends on Horsepower torque and gearing, could be different due to specs
there's sense talking, Spec'ing the truck for the job is incredibly important.
As Curtis Noble stated, it's all about how the trucks are spec'ed. Kinda hard to compare a tractor and a dump truck from two different manufacturers, ages, different engines, one with permanent box vs one that can run bob tail and has a oversized cab protector on the box which acts like a dam thus increasing drag dramatically. One is geared for highway use, the other for off road use. All these inputs will make a huge difference in overall fuel mileage.
Unfortunately as much as I hate to say it but eventually just like Elogs, we will all be forced over to emissions compliant trucks just as California did. It's inevitable. Fitzgerald and the other glider companies are no longer making gliders with pre emissions engines so once they are gone, they are gone. It's either except it or close up shop. I'm a huge fan of the 60 series but I've not had any trouble thus far with the DD15. Good fuel mileage (OTR), no emissions issues but one thing I have noticed with the guys having problems with the emissions systems is idling to much. I rarely idle at all and don't run in constant stop and go traffic so the system stays clean. You'll just have to make it work and adjust for the newer trucks. Work smarter, not harder.
I probably should have clarified more but the comparison was from the t800 dump truck that got wrecked. So it was a apples to apples comparison ….
Over here in northwest Indiana. Use to drive for a trash hauling company had T800, T880’s Mack and Frieghtliners.The Kenworth’s held up the best in the landfills. A lot of the major trash haulers are still using T880’s over Other brands.
I think instead of worrying about if they're going to delete all of the pre emission engines you should worry more about the kommies "canceling" the diesel engine.
my company we have western stars with DD13 500-800k miles. not many engine problems with proper service. just check engine lights for days with emission codes. you have to pay $$$$$$ for a good mechanic to keep up with your fleet
I came her thinking this would be a new series: "How to install a 3406B into a T680..."
Haha
I think you're straight Hood with no salt trucks will hold their resale value better than other run-of-the-mill nose-down fleet trucks.
Yah, you can get fleet 2011s-13s Volvo's & Freightliners for about $21,000 out the door at truck sales lots all day long and six ways to Sunday. I know damn well these trucks cost six figures when they were new. So you are correct that they lose almost 80% of their value within a decade.
I'm not counting Kaiser Transport fleet trucks cuz their fleet trucks are straight Hood Peterbilt 389s
I have a 1985 kw with cat power i got 1,5 mill on before the first overhaul.
Nice, nice, shop! Something that size takes patience and you have plenty it seems. I hi ope employees appreciate the company party! I’m glad you are big and successful, but small enough to appreciate all your working folks! Cool videos too!
Thankyou
Don’t talk about deleting a truck . The EPA will pay you a visit and watch your operation
I hope they bring bags with them that they can fit in when they visit.
It’s not my goal to delete and I don’t plan to delete any. Trying to avoid that by getting gliders
I understand, love the videos. Great operation. Wish there was a company like yours here in Oklahoma.
It mostly depends on what you use your truck for
Greetings from the Ohio Porters. Wonderful topic! I know a guy who bought 6 new rigs in 2014(I believe). All of them spent a good deal of time in the shop for emission issues, except one was sabotaged by an employee who used sugar in the fuel. When the warranties ran out, the owner bought older trucks with Detroit engines and took those engines out and placed them into the newer trucks. He is making more money now and has had FEWER issues than ever. Did he do the right thing…he thinks so. They spend a lot less time in the shop now and they do get fixed when they are in there. He bought a few more old trucks to have the engines as backups even. You have to have a reliable truck! Bottom line! Now all the pre emission trucks are all bought up and can’t be made any longer. The new Fitzgerald trucks are just glorified dealerships now. Everyone likes to have a new rig, but you do spend so much on them. You can’t buy one now with a Cat engine in it, I believe. You pretty much have to take your older trucks, rebuild them to your specs and then keep on using them until the new ones are built like they should be. I love old iron and think more of them! I don’t like Volvos at all! There are too many cookie cutter trucks out there! Thanks for sharing! 🇺🇸😎🥰🤩
Right on !!!! You would think newer is better ..... but its not !!!
In Australia there is talk of making it more expensive to register pre emissions trucks by adding 10% on top on the cost of rego of the truck for older trucks.
Oh boy. I hope that doesn’t happen here
I agree with You on the Aerodynamic Truck's SUCK!!!! And Volvo Truck's SUCK even more!!! Keep doing what you are doing that's why you are successful in your business. Don't let people tell You what and how to buy your Truck's your doing Awesome and like always Awesome Video
Thankyou
Totally agree with what you've said here! I have a 1800 acre farm and also have had bad luck with anything new including the 3 semis we have. Everything we own is now 1995 or older. Old iron is usually more efficient and easier to work on. New trucks are 100% JUNK is a bumper sticker I need. haha
Well said!
The problem is the mechanics aren’t trained to fix and diagnose the problems on emission motors they just read codes and throw parts at the new trucks. Look up rawse on RUclips he knows his stuff and he’s got like a 1 million miles out of his isx with emissions
I love the entire line of prevost air supply equipment. They have a amazing aluminum air line system along with reels and fittings. You really should check out all the stuff available.
This new emission stuff is depressing. It is hard to justify spending the amount of money on a truck if you cannot make enough to pay for it to run down the road it almost seems they engineer the equipment to last long enough for you to make a little bit of money. I wonder if it is on purpose? I remember the older trucks they were not built to the tolerances that they could in the 90s and 2000s where the trucks were expected to run a million miles and done it with the right Driver. The first truck I ever drove had over a million once I showed the boss I could take care of one. He bought me and almost new one and I put several hundred thousand on it. That was a few years ago. I know this if the bosses are not making money the employees aren’t either. Companies like yours and the the other thousands out is what keep the country going. Keep going!!!!!
For sure !!!! The sad part with emissions it makes zero sense !!!
I work for company running lease Mack Pinnical's and Volvo's Man they are JUNK. Interior is CHEAP. The emission problems only get worse in the winter. As a driver it really burns my butt to have to stop with no real warning to do parked regen for an hour. All the nanny bells n B.S. ugh.
Ugh. That is for sure frustrating
Interesting video Justin!
Wish you guys a great bbq in the new shop!!
I don't like new trucks , just like pre emmission !!
I don't now anything about fuel milege.
Having just got a 2022 Freightliner Cascadia day cab back in Feb...if I were to add the time it spent in the shop already, between 6-8 weeks. Emissions, the new on guard systems, shaking issue, etc. Also, to top it off, the truck only gets me between 6-6.5mpg. SMH
the company i work for has 4500 tractors and the most problems are with the junk cascadias and the T680s.From what i hear very few problems with macks except a few computer problems,regen problems on all if the driver isn't properly regaining as needed.
We run a lot of newer kenworth and peterbilt trucks with Cummins isx and x15 motors and 2 2020 western stars with the new dd16 Detroit’s Pretty much all heavy haul oilfield work. Average rebuild is around 300k for Cummins.
Western stars have been in the shop more than all the other trucks combined and they have less than 100k on them. Still have a few kenworth left with C15s and they’re still my favorite by far
know some o/o that run deleted trucks . motors last longer and better mileage . dpf filter holds heat in engine shortens life
Don’t worry about the illegal part the whole country does illegal things one more won’t hurt my 2009 is deleted with a 2008 60series 14L 1,224,566 miles on her replaced small parts the usual and did a in frame on it runs like a good machine that’s my plan on my next truck to build up a used pre emissions w900 I’ve always wanted
I know but I don’t want a fleet of illegal trucks. You never know
@@flintcreektransport yea I understand my friend man I love y’all’s trucks
I personally drive a 94 Pete but my fleet is all 2018+ Freightliner cascadas, I avg about 7.8 mpg with a dd15 and dt12 trans, the western star with the dd15 and 18 speed eaton or dt12 auto would be good, in your application the auto trans will not hold. I feel like you should avg 6.5 running a western star. There are less problems with the Detroits but sell the truck as soon as it hits 350k that's when problems start, the Detroits like the Cummins ISX like to blow head gaskets as well.
up here in ontario canada our government got rid of emissions testing for cars and pickups but new stricter test on commercial trucks . i hear the dot and even police departments are really cracking down on deleted diesel in the us and giving out huge fines . it’s getting to the point it’s not worth the risk
Yes …. It’s driving costs up !!
I own a 2014 W9L, 525hp Cummins, 18spd, at 650k I deleted it. Over the course of 2yrs before I deleted it, it cost me $10-12k in emission repair. NOX sensors, DPF filters, check engine lights, loss of revenue, it was bankrupting me. Now 1yr after delete, Zero issues and Zero down time! Was the best decision I made to my truck👍
And that’s the crazy part ….. that’s what happens to 90 percent of the trucks out there !!!
Crazy meaning your forced out of business or forced to do something illegal!!!
Another great video! It's obvious you've gone over and over the numbers (and still are!) to come up with what works best for your business. Can you still purchase /do they still make gliders??You have a great looking fleet and I enjoy your videos!
They don’t make gliders anymore …. Yes continually looking at options and numbers …
One of the best way I got good fuel consumption was to use the/a boost gage. Each day is different of what the boost gage shows when holding the pedal to the rug depending on weather conditions (air density). [For lack of better numbers] Ok today it shows 30psi when i go full pedal in a pull. Now I know what maximum boost is, I would regulate my lead-foot by running 2 pounds less of full boost. IF today shows 30psi boost, THEN I never let push throttle past 28psi and select a gear in the hill that allowed me 2psi less. The 3406 B&E engines I ran, I could get decent fuel consumption. in 550miles of Lake Superior hilly highway [Nipigon to Sudbury] I could save $160 fuel by being 2 psi out of full boost.
I use to work in the shop at Johnson equipment, part of Leonard's express, they run all newer trucks and would lease them out or send them to auction once they get around 500k-600k miles. Most of there trucks are Cummins and Detroit's, a few paccars, but the Detroit's were In the shop far less than anything else for emission issues. The Cummins would have to have the dpf's replaced far more often.
Interesting !!!
From my experience the Detroit's are the best emissions motors you can get. Unfortunately the new Freightliners and westerns don't have the build quality of Pete's and kws
I make about a $20,000 truck payment every year for emissions related problems with my Paccar yeah it's been paid off for 2 years but I still go into the shop every couple times a year with a d rate let alone the tow bill plus all the other maintenance .
My uncle whos an owner operator has owned the same truck for 30 years now it has a caterpillar 3406b and it's got about 2 million miles on it the only thing he's done to it is rods and mains .....
Those old cats are very reliable !!!
There’s no class in driving fiberglass! 😂 My company freighter Cascadia 2020 gets 8 average OTR. No emission or problems at 170,000. Knock on Wood 🪵
Only nice thing about new trucks is they are nice inside too for a while but you can keep the automatic and the emissions motor. I prefer old school and no def. series 60 or the n14 but the Cummins has more power and gets better mileage and goes usually 800,000 miles between in frames
I think those guys getting 8miles a gallon are not running heavy often
Us brits are getting 8 to 10 to the gallon at 44 tons .no problem with emissions motors over here .
@@susansullivan9255 Imperial gallon is 20% larger than the USA gallon. I doubt your trucks drive in farm fields as much as his do.
I run 53 ton total weight and only get 4.2 a gallon
Can't compare European trucking to the USA in Europe speed is a lot lower so diesel consumption is a lot lower wouldn't like to go coast to coast at 56mph
Just depends on the lanes your running. Example from Houston tx to LA you can run 70mph and get 9+ mpg . Going the other way I get 7.5 mpg that's in a 19 freightliner. Trailer tail and skirts.
Downtime will Bankrupt u with a new truck. Ex peterbilt 2 week wait to get in the shop n not including if the part is on back order. That's 6 to 15k gone in lost revenue.
I watched the ET transport video too and while they’re very informative, he did say at one point the driver was running 30thousand lbs I mean come on that’s light weight
Yes !!
80 thousand pounds is light weight for 500hp trucks. I think that's why so many US trucks have emissions trouble, Their engines aren't working properly.
These are only 6 cylinders. Not v8
Keep in mind that it's not just new trucks. Everything made today from trucks, to cars, to cell phones, EVERYTHING is built to fail in a few years so you have to replace them. Around 10 years ago Apple couldn't get people to buy their new very expensive I-phones. So what they did was to stop updating the old ones, and slowing down the speed at which they could surf the web. In essence they were forcing people to buy new phones and they got caught, but nothing changed. Now they and all cell phone makers manufacture them so you can't even replace the batteries which on average last 3 years. The same is true for emission trucks. I own a 2019 T680 and fully expect I'll need to replace it no later than 2023. I live in California, so no gliders available for us out here.
Right on. !!!
This throwaway insanity is a disgusting waste of resources.
Buying a new truck, you have to buy two! Hopefully one will run for ya 🙏
totally agree. its hard to keep workers when trucks keep breaking down.
It's a manufacturers backfire as they said round about the year 2000 that modern diesel engines (commonrail)
would never need the glow plugs replaced.
That was a mistake/mislead therefore black smoke started spilling out of exhausts hence the need for emissions equipment
My dad owns a 2011 Cascadia with a DD-15 and knock on wood, even with just over 1m miles, he's never had to do any major engine work to it. I think it's just a lucky truck or something though. My uncles have had similar trucks with DD-15s and get problem after problem. The reality is that pre-emission trucks are just always gonna be more reliable. The only "nice" thing with the newer trucks is that assuming they're working, the computers and sensors do a good job of leading you to the issue if the truck does have a problem.
Interesting
@4:50
This is the trick-bag with newer emmision (2007+) mission short-haul or high idling trucks containing the Obama pollution equipment: the pollution equipment even says in its manuals that these engines pollution stuff does not tolerate idling. But how you supposed to not idle if you're in the dump truck in line waiting to dump or receive asphalt on a road construction job?
that's exactly right every job field will get you different numbers regarding efficiency especially when you trying to get through mud and other off-road conditions! One thing you did forget to mention the technical aspect of working on new trucks you need more training which again cost more money for those technicians?
Usually training is free it’s just the time to do it ….
Dispensers are calibrated every so many months or years (depends where you live) have your diesel dispensers calibrated.
Stay Away from a DD15 or DD16 with Emissions. That 1 Box can not be repaired it can only be replaced and they are around 10k to replace.
We average about 500k on our emissions motors. Its almost a given.
I had a 579 450 Cummins 13 speed 3:55 rears hauling a dedicated every week with 45k in a van and my quarterly was 6.8 in the summer. 6.5 in the winter. I have an APU so little idol time. Been in my new 2022 389 with same rears 18 speed with 500 performance Cummins. I’m at 6.1 pushing a cigar box compared to a aerodynamic truck. I had no issues after 450k with emissions. Older passive regen trucks have more sensors and larger filters. Sometimes it’s drivers who don’t pay the bills and don’t care if they idol the truck when it’s not needed. Flint Creek runs heavy and off road and has legitimate complaints on trucks that are not made for that. All I can say is I’d love to have my old 84 Ford but you just can’t buy em
Interesting !! Thankyou for sharing
To save time , bad weather and foot leather, invest in a golf cart to ride around the business.
As much as I love PACCAR products, those emissions engines with tons of sensors and plastic everywhere are a headache for small trucking companies and you can't personalize aerodynamic rigs; in addition glued trucks cannot stand up to the rigors of REAL trucking.
My cousin used to work for a Volvo dealer and there's so much electronics in it you might mistakenly short out something. If you go by an independent truck repair shop, what truck sits there the most? Volvo. Western Star- uses quite a few Freightliner parts since they're owned by Diamler.
Very true !!!
It is not the def only. It is how and why they where made. They are not to bild to last, they are bild to meet regulations. Untested components and lowes cost manufacturing is the idea. Also many companies makes profits only in service. Nev engines make more power and les polution when new. After that they need rebild.
Frustrating for sure
I agree with you on that all those new Cummins are junk but the only way you're going to solve that problem is stop hauling the loads
Okay and so what is the motor in it because they come with different motors. Mx13 isn't going to be rebuilt while I own it.
Just keep them under warranty and sell it before it expires..... doesnt matter what engine ....
Congratulations on the new shop.👍
Thankyou
In today's world " but you never know " becomes more real every day.
N14 is not a bad engine it’s actually a very good engine
fuel mileage is very much controlled by how the driver "drives" it. if you want mileage keep your foot out of it. i haven driven that 1 driver gets 5 and i climb in it i get 7 to 8 same load same drive. give it only what it needs. keep your foot out of it and you will get better mileage.
I completely agree with you on the glider kits. I have a 2017 Peterbilt 579 with a 99 cat. Great combination I pull a flatbed averaging 7.0 to 7.4 mpg.Wouldn’t trade it for the world.
Wow. That’s great to hear