I am an outboard repair shop in Hawaii. This is long but worth the read. I have had my hands on every one of these outboards except that amazon weed eater looking thing. I am in high salt environment which is a true test of an outboard's quality. I do not sell outboards; I repair outboards. I am not a dealer pushing a brand. Okay, here we go! Hangkai: absolute junk. They have models that are reversed engineered Yamaha and Tohatsu. Corrode like crazy in salt water. Run no where as well as the motors they copied, and failure rate is extreme. Absolutely no warranty. Don't buy that junk. Honda: Weird clutch drive system that eventually burns up. Engages at a certain RPM, and if you go too slow on the RPMs the clutch will slip and slowly wear out. You cannot just put it in gear and idle along as with other motors. Occasional use motor... fine, but not a daily runner. All the bolts and screws are steel and rust like crazy. Steel float bowl on carburetor that 'will' rust away in salt water. Not very powerful and loud. Has 5 year warranty, but seeing most of the problems are rust.. they will not cover corrosion. Suzuki: Nice running motor... when the carburetor is actually working. Very poorly designed carb. Bad propellers that blow hubs constantly. Corrosion issues in salt water. Cheap plastic, easily broken cowlings. Expensive repair parts. Has 5 year warranty. I have no experience with warranty claims with Suzuki. Yamaha: Absolute least favorite of the name brand motors. Quiet, but that is about the only thing good. Fuel system failures constant. Poor carburetors. Cheap, poorly fitting, easy to crack cowlings and flimsy plastic hood latches, cowling never fit perfectly. $100+ venting fuel cap that never vents properly and gets clogged easy and lets water in tank. If a impeller fails and overheats just once, all the pivot bracket plastic bushings and rubber melts and has to be replaced 95% of the time. Very poorly made motor. Outrageous repair part prices. Has 5 year warranty... if you can call it a warranty. They fight you every step of the way in honoring claims. Parsun: Best of Chinese made motors, but that is not saying much. Same issue as above said Hangkai, and other names they stick on these motor's cowlings. Most brands of Chinese motors are all made in the same plant, and then painted different and named different. Parsun are the better fit and finish models from the same factory. Colman same thing. Not made by Parsun so to speak. Just in same plant. All 4-strokes are reversed engineered Yamaha copies. The 2-strokes are reversed Tohatsu. I use Yamaha and Tohatsu parts to repair them. Mind you a ton of repairs. No warranty service. Mercury and Tohatsu: By far the best motors. Best carburetors. Cowlings very sturdy. In this size they are identical in every way. Tohatsu is usually the same price and sometimes more expensive, but where the difference is between the two companies is the parts and warranty. Mercury parts (made by Tohatsu) are 20 to 40 percent more expensive. So if you own a Mercury... buy Tohatsu label parts. Example: Carburetor with Mercury Quicksilver packaging $378. Carburetor Tohatsu packaging $153. Identical carburetors made by the same manufacturer in Japan. Warranty: Tohatsu warranty is 7 years and longest of all makes. No fighting for warranty claims. Mercury is 3 years for small motors (same motor made at same plants). Hope this helps your hunt for and outboard.
Nice summary. However. There are a large number of different factories in china. One thing, there are factories that make parts that supply other manufacturing/assembly factories but there isnt one factory makimg them all, there are many dozens of boat motor factories. Same with many things, generators, chainsaws, etc.
Have had my Hangkai 12hp for 3 years now in saltwater, about 200 hours, replaced the the throttle cable and ignition when I bought it with Tohatsu parts and it has never let me down!!! Bought it brand new for $800 and then put $189 worth of Tohatsu parts in it and still running strong!
I bought the Suzuki 2.5 a couple of years ago for my teenage son to use on a Pelican Bass Raider. No issues with the motor, and it pushed the boat 5-6 mph at full throttle and around 4 and half throttle. Very satisfied.
I got the Suzuki 2.5 from Outboards On Line. You need to add engine oil before you start it up which I thought was reasonable. I very precisely and slowly put the recommended engine oil into the motor until the oil exactly reached the center of the sight glass. It started right up on the second pull. It ran rough with a tendency for the engine to die at idle so I adjusted the air screw to remedy the idle and it improved a bit but not completely. The idle speed screw worked but I couldn’t get the idle down low and also smooth via the air screw. I called the supplier for assistance and the tech I spoke to immediately told me that there is a minor design flaw which puts the oil sight glass in the wrong position. I was told to remove some oil from the crankcase and bring the oil level to a point just above the bottom of the sight glass and below the middle of the sight glass. I was skeptical but this totally fixed the running issue and I ended up putting the carb screws exactly where they had originally been set. I’ve got about twenty hours on the motor and it runs very well. Its quiet and it always starts on the first or second pull in an eager manner. I have this motor on a 17’ Grumman aluminum canoe that is used fairly loaded to about 600lbs of crew and gear. I’m slightly disappointed with the power output of the rated 2.5hp and my old ‘91 Johnson 3hp would run circles around this Suzuki, is almost as quiet, and weighs about the same but I suspect that the HP ratings were not done in the same manner. I own two of these Johnson 3HPs. The Suzuki probably goes twice as far on the same amount of gasoline and the power difference is only really significantly meaningful if I’m headed upstream against the flow of the river. In a lake it doesn’t matter much as I don’t need to go challengingly fast or have any excitement.
I have bought from Online Outboards, about 10 years ago I bought a 6HP Tohatsu there. It was $1300 including shipping and the sale went fine. Also my brother has that 2.3 Honda, it's a great little motor. Being air cooled you don't have to worry about sucking up weeds or mud, or water pumps or internal anodes, etc..
This Coleman/Parsun 2.6hp it’s a copy of Yamaha 2.5(first generation) .If you need any replacement parts , just use Yamaha OEM “lookup for parts “ schematic
I now have 2 of the Suzuki 2.5 motors and so do several of my fishing buddies, almost everyone that goes fishing with me, if they can afford it goes out and buys the Suzuki. Lightweight, very Quiet, about 10 hours on a liter of gas well fishing. And if anything goes wrong they are very easy to work on. My favorite thing is that I have my mind idled down to under 700 rpm.
Honda 2.3 all the way. Proud owner since 2017. Although air cooled, pro/con there anyway. It's THE motor in terms of maintenance and reliability. Thing runs on a 1-2 pull start for 5 years plus and smooth.
I have a 2hp Yamaha that only weighs like 20lbs. It is an older 2-stroke. Really neat little outboard. I found it for $20 at a yard sale, cleaned out the carb and it runs perfectly. I have it on a pelican catch pwr and it runs 5mph.
I, too, have that same motor I live in Bristol UK (Ship shape and Bristol fashion) So use the motor in both salt - (Bristol channel, innercity Harbour) and fresh (river Avon) waters On the back of my Gull 13ft sailing dingy. As a back up. I also remove the main mast and use as a motor boat too. I keep a small barrel filled with fresh water where my boats is kept on land. So once off the waters I just run the motor in the barrel for 2 minute's to flush the water cooling system through.. I change the sparkplug regularly as required. And Service it every 6/12 months.... Not a single problem
I bought the Yamaha 2.5 from my local dealer 3 years ago and it was over $1000. It's an easy starting motor even at freezing temperatures, thankfully because I use it duck hunting in winter. It planes my 12 foot jonboat easily and moves it at 6 mph. I put a propguard ring on it which works great to keep fishing line out of the prop but the prop guard does trap weed. If I have one complaint, the gas cap doesn't seem to seal that well - check your fuel each time you go out because some may have evaporated. I think it's smooth, but I don't have the other motors to compare it with. It's definitely louder than my 8 hp Yamaha. Because it's light (37 lbs, I store it in the garage and move it onto the boat each time. I use nothing but ethanol-free gas and haven't had any problems.
I bought a Honda 2.0 in 2000 and paid over $900 for it way back then, it has been the most dependable small engine I have ever had! Period! It is a direct drive, with no centrifugal clutch that I am so glad I didn't get because 90+% of my use is at the lowest idle for trolling (about 2.2 mph) in my 17" square back canoe, with the clutch model when you are trying to go very slow it drops out of gear. I'm not sure if you can get direct drive anymore. I wouldn't buy one with it. It is air-cooled and louder at higher speeds but since I mostly idle, it is very tolerable. It has never left me stranded and always starts right up. That said, I always run Seafoam in the gas and empty the tank and run it dry at the end of the season. Besides changing the oil every couple of years and plug maybe 3 times and replacing the pull rope, there has been no other maintenance, By the way, Honda gave me a piece of rope with a handle on it in the provided tool pouch so if the starter rope breaks on the water you can take the cover off and still pull start it. Thanks, Honda! I never needed it though. 5 years ago I forgot to empty the gas and run it dry so I had to clean the carburetor, easiest job ever and it didn't even need new parts the fuel lines were still supple. I have hit rocks and broken the shear pins, I got a length of 1/8" silicon bronze brazing rod and cut to size a lifetime of replacements. Even the rubber gasket on the fuel cap is still fine, no leaks when carrying it on its side with a full tank. Hands down the best small motor investment I have ever made, and I don't think I will need any other one in my lifetime! A few years back I heard that the new ones are now made in China and there have been some quality issues, so, do your homework. If you find a used older model that hasn't been abused, snap it up!
after living on the water for 10 yrs i can testify that indeed suzuki is the best choice for resale value,beacause one would never sell their yammaha !
Been using a 2.5 hp Yamaha 4 stroke for 15 years....one service at the end of warranty. I dump the oil and refill every year.....that's it. I run it dry every time and always fires up 1 to 2 pulls. Just so reliable
Over 20 years ago, I had a suzuki just like that and it was old then. I never had an issue. I ran a little 12ft aluminum around Black Lake in Washington state with me and a friend. We pulled in a lot of trout off that lake with that little boat.
Bought a tohatsu 9.8 last year. Lighter than the 9.9, and less expensive because it’s carbureted. Been GREAT, and the fuel efficiency is amazing (after my 1965 9.5 lol) Tohatsu makes all of merc and Suzuki small motors, with out the extra cost for the name.
Thanks for your advice! I purchased the Suzuki one you showed for $800 Canadian ($620 US), and that includes a tank of Gas. It's just what I need for puttering around in Lakes and Streams, and it's so much easier to carry around! My Honda 8 weighs about 95 pounds and it requires a tank of gas in the boat. Really good speed for long distances, but not worth the effort of carrying it to and from my car, just for a day of fishing on a lake. Now that I have the Suzuki I'll be on the water much more!
Agree 100%, I have been to Parsun in China and they are a large company an make many motors. Your merc is a Tohatsu Great company Japan. I sun a 2004 Johnson long shaft now along with Evinrude OB! If you look there are thousands of small outboards from Evinrude and Johnson still around and in many cases need a carb cleaned and ready to go. I have worked with many manufacturers or outboard motors and still prefer made in America used as apposed to crap from other countries. Parsun took much of Yamaha design and tried to make a comparable product. While made in America is for me a resounding second is made in Japan. My buddy just waited over 16 months for a new Yamaha 150. Great video, Thanks
Parts availability and network are totally key I think. Any of the big names you listed would be excellent but that Suzuki being just 29lbs looks to be of high utility. Can be your carry everywhere motor.. backup motor, kicker for trolling, canoe/kayak motor.. etc
I own a 1958 Johnson 5 1/2 hp 50 Year Medallion Series and I was told several times that it actually in todays standards a 9hp outboard. I know that it has speed like you wouldn't believe considering the age and starts about every third pull. It pushes an 18' Olde Towne Square back canoe around like a rocket. Only thing I hate is putting it on to the transom because it weighs so much.
I actually have a 2.5 Yamaha. I got it back when they were only $800 give or take and it’s been an awesome motor. It plains out a 15 ft v bottom John boat that’s rated for a 50hp. For its size it’s very powerful and cranks on the 2nd pull even after 6 months of being stored away
I saw the little 2.5s and I felt it wouldn't be enough power. But six horsepower is almost double the money. I did eventually go with a tohatsu 6 horsepower for my dinghy and I'm pretty satisfied, although the prop started slipping at the end of the break in when I started moving up to 3/4 throttle. Had to buy another one. But before that I did buy the hangkai 3.6. There is a language barrier. For instance to turn the choke on you have to turn it to the off position and to turn it off you have to turn it to the on position. It's certainly louder than my Honda long shaft 5 horsepower and my tohatsu 6 horsepower. It seems to have some cheap components but they're all functioning properly. Because it's two stroke, I believe it's the lightest motor you can buy and the motor is still running strong which leaves me extremely satisfied with my $300 investment delivered to my door. Going to be using it in combination with a electric trolling motor for my next project.
Hello , great video . Just to let everyone know Tohatsu makes all Mercury outboards to 30 hp . I have owned both the 3.5 hp Mercury/tohatsu and the 2.5 hp suzuki , if the 11 pound diifference isn't a concern , the Mercury all the way . Tohatsu is made in Japan . Also the 2.5 and 3.5 Mercury use the same block so they weight the same And not much price difference .
Although I'm a Yamaha fan, I'd go with the Suzuki as well... only because it is much cheaper. I love my 2019 Yamaha 25 HP, but if I get a smaller engine the Suzuki would fit the bill. Thanks for the info on the outboard websites. Also, the info about the Mercury... I didn't know those were made in Japan...gives me more faith in the Mercury reliability now 😁😁
Wayne, I like your videos. I just bought a Suzuki 2.5 at Online Outboards for $695 minus a Suzuki Rebate for $100! I really didn't need it, but a brand new outboard with a 5 year warrantee for $585! I couldn't resist. This deal is only through Wednesday 5/31/23.
Did the same months ago. Got 25 hours on it, no issues. After the 20 hr service it runs so amazing! Check the valves!!! Mine were way too loose from factory. I can cold start first pull no throttle no choke. EVERY SINGLE TIME😊
Just recently bought a brand new Suzuki DF2.5 on sale for $770. Been super impressed with it, always starts cold within 3 pulls, currently on my 4th hour of break in period. That said, I only boat in freshwater as all my friend's boats always have some sort of problems which are evidently from the increased wear and tear due to saltwater use
In retirement my father repaired outboard boat motors. He was a very inventive person, a skilled boat builder, and a creative problem solver. He had an expression that he said often: 'Murcary doesn't make outboard motors; they make tools to repair their outboard motors'. You are warned.
Parsun has been around in Australia for quite a few years now. They are ok, getting better. We cannot buy them anywhere near as cheaply here as you seem to be able to over there.
I've had the Suzuki 2.5 since 2018. Great little engine. Pushed my 16" square stern aluminum canoe to 8.5mph, but most of the time we'd run at 1/3 throttle at 5-5.5. No issues, replaced the impeller once took just a few minutes. Change the oils once per year, that's all
I have good experience with Tohatsu and Suzuki but lately I've been most impressed by buying used Johnsons and Evinrudes that have good compression and doing major maintenance and service on them. After the cost of the motor and service parts, they come in about half of a similar new Suzuki and they handle the corrosive effects of salt water better. For me 2 stroke is fine and I'd rather have the reliable starting and worse fuel efficiency vs 4 stroke and their tiny jets that need for carb rebuilds a year. Honestly on our new Tohatsu 8hp we got a few years back the jets needed cleaning every other trip. We got very good at doing that quickly but eventually traded it for a 1970's 30 HP Evinrude that starts and runs reliably.
I would always choose a brand name product over an "unknown" and risky brand. Used to own a 6HP Mercury and it was a beautiful motor. When I sold that motor and bought a larger boat, I put on a 2017 90HP Mercury four stroke and that is the quietest most smooth motor I have ever used. Again, a brand name...Mercury, Yamaha, Suzuki, Tohatsu etc...
I bought a tohatsu 9.8 as a retirement gift to myself last year. It’s been a great motor. It’s quiet and the fuel efficiency is amazing. And your merc 9.9 is made by tohatsu by the way. Any merc or Suzuki under 20hp is made by tohatsu.
Parsun is actually pretty good, they are growing steady here in Germany due to their affordable prices and using same parts as Yamaha and Mercury. So getting parts is a no issue.
My parsun on 3m IRB lasted 2 years as my weekly tender. Then kaput. No parts none of the servicing guys will touch em. Next outboard definitely Japanese.
I looked at most of them, I ended up with the yamaha, brilliant little motor, very quiet and made in Japan. It's very high quality and if you want something to last then its a great option. It's also very good on fuel, I've gone out trolling with it for 4 hours or more on a single tank of fuel.
I bought a 20 HP outboard motor from china for 1000 $ + 400 $ shipping. It is very similar to a 20 HP Yamaha. Quality is okay but not good, but I am very happy at all
I really enjoyed the video. Thanks. I've been yearning for a Suzuki DF6 for my 1232 AlumaCraft flat bottom jon boat for some time {12 feet long x 32 inches wide at the bottom with a 47 inch beam, and weighs around 105 pounds). I like Japanese engineering and manufacturing techniques, wherever they happen to be assembled {I think the DF6 is assembled in Thailand). Plus, the price is certainly competitive, and I have had really good luck and service life with the two Suzuki motorcycles currently in the garage. There is an old video of a DF6 planing out a boat like mine and cruising along at a rather nice clip for a considerable distance, and I saw another review by a fellow in Australia, who had lots of experience with all kinds of small outboards, where he declared that the DF6 was among the most powerful/fastest in the 6HP range. I'm hoping it might even plane out the boat with me and my medium-sized, best buddy pooch aboard.
My understanding is that they are on par or better in some cases than Tohatsu at least they are often compared here. (pretty cool this internet thing ay)@@BeefSupreme-vk9sz
Wayne I just bought a 20 hp Suzuki w electric start from onlineoutboards. Came within a week. Very happy with it! So quiet. Only thing I worry about is future maintenance
Honestly i would go with used, an 70s-90s motors will look great, are really cheap and will be simple enough to repair. Get it from a decently sized brand and you can still get reproduction parts for them too
I've got two Tohatsu outboards and both have been great so they're easy to recommend. I'd like to see how the Suzuki does given the weight savings though.
I have my 2.5 Suzuki running my 17 ft Grumman canoe with my kids and wife and it ran really well. Easy to start. Highly recommended. Bought it for the weight saving and the price.
I chose the Parsun 2.6, the first one would not pull over, the engine was locked, but they gave me another one, and it's been great so far, it did use some oil on its first run but now it's oil tight so don't worry. The parts are much the same as Yamaha even the tiller is Yamaha.
Had a 2.5hp Yamaha for more than 10 years and have been through 2 impellers I major overheat where I boiled the fuel and melted the plastic head bushing No rebuilds runs like a top to this day Would be looking at a Merc or a Suzuki if I had to replace it only due to price
@@WayneTheBoatGuy no I worked for a dredging company and we used 25horse hondas and Yamaha on all our dinghies and John boats the Yamaha engines needed repairs and maintenance way more than the Hondas we just changed oil on them.even had one sink on us we pulled it back up dried it changed the oil and it fired right up
Though I don't own one, Parsun is actually not too bad. They used to sell in the U.S. under the name of Kuda through Walmart and some other vendors. That said, I got my Tohatsu online and have been very happy with it. Just remember they usually ship without gear oil.
My son has a 3.5hp Parson motor on his small inflatable. Starts first pop, economic, surprisingly quiet and its performance to date has seen him extend his trip distances as he has got confident in its performance. I realise the Honda et al are probably better motors but if you are on a budget the Parson is worth considering.
I have 3 of Parsun T5.8BMS 2 strokes. Still allowed them where I am. 20kg each. Decent sized 2.7L internal tank and standard yamaha fitting for external tank. $600 new. Not had them very long by a whole back I ran Parsun 9.8 w stroke for 5 years with no issues. I likeir 2 strokes a lot. Conversely I started with the Parsun 5HP 4 stroke and it was rubbish.
@@alexm7777 5HP 4 stroke was very hard to start and not developing full throttle and stuttering above 3/4 throttle. Ended up back in the dealers to make carb adjustments and even after still hard to start but got full throttle. With the hassle of which way to lay it down for the oil sump and the weight to HP ratio I just went 2 stroke 9.8HP and never looked back.
Here in Finland we have some Parsun/SeaKing outboard motors, not totally bad engines. They are Chinese copies of Yamaha. I have 2,5 Suzuki and it's been very reliable.
I kinda think if I was going to buy a small motor like that I would just buy a big 24 volt trolling motor and that way I could go to most all lakes and no gas to worry about. Plus it’s quieter. My 65# Maxxum pulls my Alumacraft V14 around 3 mph which is not much difference. Just my thoughts. Great video !
I own a Honda 2.3, though it is a little louder than others it’s not “that much louder!” No impeller make maintenance a dream. I’ll never sell mine, ever.
I’m considering the 2.3 Honda. My local boat store sells and services them, I like the short arm throttle and centrifugal clutch. I’m not too focused on the motor noise because they all are noisy. I’m also studying an electric option too. Funny thing a battery pack will out weigh the motor and a strong Li pack will cost more than the electric motor.
I haven't checked recently but when looking at newer outboards, I noticed the Coleman was NOT recommended for salt water, only fresh. Amazon listing for the HangKai also says they're for fresh water.
Also for this size of motor I wouldn't bother with 4 stroke heavier and less powerful best in this bracket are the tohatsu 3.5hp 2 stroke are invincible fuel efficient light.
Thanks for this video and others. I'm looking for a Suzuki 2.5 to mount on a Sportspal 12' wide transom canoe. The 30 lb weight is perfect for me. And based on other reviews, this is a highly rated motor. The Suzuki is a 68cc motor. Honda is 57cc. Yamaha uses a 72cc motor. Mercury and Tohatsu are 85cc motors. I imagine the 85cc motors will have a bit more torque but the 68cc Suzuki is adequate and 11 lbs lighter for that walk down to the lake. The Honda uses a centrifugal clutch like a chainsaw does so that was a deal breaker for me. You have to give it a shot of gas to get the clutch to engage and I expect that will make slow speed maneuvering around docks or a marina to be a bit more of a challenge. The Honda also is too noisy.
I bought a 3.5HP Merc online for $900 +$50 shipping for my 12' jon boat. Tooled along OK w/ two men. Starts first or 2nd pull. Bought the 5HP upgrade kit (carb + alum prop). Looking forward to testing it out. I was satisfied with the 3.5, sure I'll like the 5HP even better. You don't need a big motor on a 12' aluminum jon boat in a shallow Central Fl swamp.
i have the air cooled honda, i also have a british seagull that after checking the engine no is at least 70 years old, starts 1st or 2nd pull and can still get parts for it .
I'm trying to decide which emergency-motor to buy for our 23' Wellcraft Coastal. Can't make up my mind between a 5 HP or a 9 HP. I'm liking Mercury's propane-fuel motors...
With the searches I did for uber $1,000 I ended up buying the Coleman for the price and weight, so far it's been ok but then again I haven't run it that much, so far only 3 hrs
I own a Colman, actually been a decent motor, I bought because of budget constraints, my biggest regret is seven years later I find myself in need of parts for it, and they are in China
Suzuki DF 2.5 is the best engine in the class. Lightest and very reliable - just run the carburator empty of gas before storage. The idle jet is very prone to geting clogged by sitting modern gas. It takes only 20 minutes to clean if you have done it before a simple procedure. But unnecessary if you run it dry before storage.
Use ethanol free fuel and it eliminates 98% of all the carburetor issues in every outboard motor. I agree, the Suzuki DF2.5 is definitely the leader in this 2-2.5hp 4 stroke outboard motor class.
If you do happen to be interested in the outboards from Amazon shown in this video, I have links to them in the video description.
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I am an outboard repair shop in Hawaii. This is long but worth the read. I have had my hands on every one of these outboards except that amazon weed eater looking thing. I am in high salt environment which is a true test of an outboard's quality. I do not sell outboards; I repair outboards. I am not a dealer pushing a brand. Okay, here we go! Hangkai: absolute junk. They have models that are reversed engineered Yamaha and Tohatsu. Corrode like crazy in salt water. Run no where as well as the motors they copied, and failure rate is extreme. Absolutely no warranty. Don't buy that junk. Honda: Weird clutch drive system that eventually burns up. Engages at a certain RPM, and if you go too slow on the RPMs the clutch will slip and slowly wear out. You cannot just put it in gear and idle along as with other motors. Occasional use motor... fine, but not a daily runner. All the bolts and screws are steel and rust like crazy. Steel float bowl on carburetor that 'will' rust away in salt water. Not very powerful and loud. Has 5 year warranty, but seeing most of the problems are rust.. they will not cover corrosion. Suzuki: Nice running motor... when the carburetor is actually working. Very poorly designed carb. Bad propellers that blow hubs constantly. Corrosion issues in salt water. Cheap plastic, easily broken cowlings. Expensive repair parts. Has 5 year warranty. I have no experience with warranty claims with Suzuki. Yamaha: Absolute least favorite of the name brand motors. Quiet, but that is about the only thing good. Fuel system failures constant. Poor carburetors. Cheap, poorly fitting, easy to crack cowlings and flimsy plastic hood latches, cowling never fit perfectly. $100+ venting fuel cap that never vents properly and gets clogged easy and lets water in tank. If a impeller fails and overheats just once, all the pivot bracket plastic bushings and rubber melts and has to be replaced 95% of the time. Very poorly made motor. Outrageous repair part prices. Has 5 year warranty... if you can call it a warranty. They fight you every step of the way in honoring claims. Parsun: Best of Chinese made motors, but that is not saying much. Same issue as above said Hangkai, and other names they stick on these motor's cowlings. Most brands of Chinese motors are all made in the same plant, and then painted different and named different. Parsun are the better fit and finish models from the same factory. Colman same thing. Not made by Parsun so to speak. Just in same plant. All 4-strokes are reversed engineered Yamaha copies. The 2-strokes are reversed Tohatsu. I use Yamaha and Tohatsu parts to repair them. Mind you a ton of repairs. No warranty service. Mercury and Tohatsu: By far the best motors. Best carburetors. Cowlings very sturdy. In this size they are identical in every way. Tohatsu is usually the same price and sometimes more expensive, but where the difference is between the two companies is the parts and warranty. Mercury parts (made by Tohatsu) are 20 to 40 percent more expensive. So if you own a Mercury... buy Tohatsu label parts. Example: Carburetor with Mercury Quicksilver packaging $378. Carburetor Tohatsu packaging $153. Identical carburetors made by the same manufacturer in Japan. Warranty: Tohatsu warranty is 7 years and longest of all makes. No fighting for warranty claims. Mercury is 3 years for small motors (same motor made at same plants). Hope this helps your hunt for and outboard.
Thank you very much for sharing!
What are your thoughts on Johnson/Evinrude?
Nice summary. However. There are a large number of different factories in china. One thing, there are factories that make parts that supply other manufacturing/assembly factories but there isnt one factory makimg them all, there are many dozens of boat motor factories. Same with many things, generators, chainsaws, etc.
This comment is more helpful than the video by far and am glad to read it since I purchased Tohatsu 😂👍🏻
If you could buy a Suzuki for 645 or a Mercury for 945 what would you buy?
Have had my Hangkai 12hp for 3 years now in saltwater, about 200 hours, replaced the the throttle cable and ignition when I bought it with Tohatsu parts and it has never let me down!!! Bought it brand new for $800 and then put $189 worth of Tohatsu parts in it and still running strong!
I'm 100% behind you on hangkai .here in UK max size we get without govt restrictions is 6hp or I would have brought a 12hp and 18hp.
I bought the Suzuki 2.5 a couple of years ago for my teenage son to use on a Pelican Bass Raider. No issues with the motor, and it pushed the boat 5-6 mph at full throttle and around 4 and half throttle. Very satisfied.
I got the Suzuki 2.5 from Outboards On Line. You need to add engine oil before you start it up which I thought was reasonable. I very precisely and slowly put the recommended engine oil into the motor until the oil exactly reached the center of the sight glass. It started right up on the second pull. It ran rough with a tendency for the engine to die at idle so I adjusted the air screw to remedy the idle and it improved a bit but not completely. The idle speed screw worked but I couldn’t get the idle down low and also smooth via the air screw. I called the supplier for assistance and the tech I spoke to immediately told me that there is a minor design flaw which puts the oil sight glass in the wrong position. I was told to remove some oil from the crankcase and bring the oil level to a point just above the bottom of the sight glass and below the middle of the sight glass. I was skeptical but this totally fixed the running issue and I ended up putting the carb screws exactly where they had originally been set. I’ve got about twenty hours on the motor and it runs very well. Its quiet and it always starts on the first or second pull in an eager manner. I have this motor on a 17’ Grumman aluminum canoe that is used fairly loaded to about 600lbs of crew and gear. I’m slightly disappointed with the power output of the rated 2.5hp and my old ‘91 Johnson 3hp would run circles around this Suzuki, is almost as quiet, and weighs about the same but I suspect that the HP ratings were not done in the same manner. I own two of these Johnson 3HPs. The Suzuki probably goes twice as far on the same amount of gasoline and the power difference is only really significantly meaningful if I’m headed upstream against the flow of the river. In a lake it doesn’t matter much as I don’t need to go challengingly fast or have any excitement.
I have bought from Online Outboards, about 10 years ago I bought a 6HP Tohatsu there. It was $1300 including shipping and the sale went fine. Also my brother has that 2.3 Honda, it's a great little motor. Being air cooled you don't have to worry about sucking up weeds or mud, or water pumps or internal anodes, etc..
This Coleman/Parsun 2.6hp it’s a copy of Yamaha 2.5(first generation) .If you need any replacement parts , just use Yamaha OEM “lookup for parts “ schematic
I now have 2 of the Suzuki 2.5 motors and so do several of my fishing buddies, almost everyone that goes fishing with me, if they can afford it goes out and buys the Suzuki. Lightweight, very Quiet, about 10 hours on a liter of gas well fishing. And if anything goes wrong they are very easy to work on. My favorite thing is that I have my mind idled down to under 700 rpm.
Very cool!!
Honda 2.3 all the way. Proud owner since 2017. Although air cooled, pro/con there anyway. It's THE motor in terms of maintenance and reliability. Thing runs on a 1-2 pull start for 5 years plus and smooth.
I have a 2hp Yamaha that only weighs like 20lbs. It is an older 2-stroke. Really neat little outboard. I found it for $20 at a yard sale, cleaned out the carb and it runs perfectly. I have it on a pelican catch pwr and it runs 5mph.
That was a great find!
I, too, have that same motor
I live in Bristol UK
(Ship shape and Bristol fashion)
So use the motor in both salt - (Bristol channel, innercity Harbour) and fresh (river Avon) waters
On the back of my Gull 13ft sailing dingy. As a back up.
I also remove the main mast and use as a motor boat too.
I keep a small barrel filled with fresh water where my boats is kept on land.
So once off the waters I just run the motor in the barrel for 2 minute's to flush the water cooling system through..
I change the sparkplug regularly as required.
And Service it every 6/12 months....
Not a single problem
I bought the Yamaha 2.5 from my local dealer 3 years ago and it was over $1000. It's an easy starting motor even at freezing temperatures, thankfully because I use it duck hunting in winter. It planes my 12 foot jonboat easily and moves it at 6 mph. I put a propguard ring on it which works great to keep fishing line out of the prop but the prop guard does trap weed. If I have one complaint, the gas cap doesn't seem to seal that well - check your fuel each time you go out because some may have evaporated. I think it's smooth, but I don't have the other motors to compare it with. It's definitely louder than my 8 hp Yamaha. Because it's light (37 lbs, I store it in the garage and move it onto the boat each time. I use nothing but ethanol-free gas and haven't had any problems.
Thanks for sharing your 'real world' review!
I bought a Honda 2.0 in 2000 and paid over $900 for it way back then, it has been the most dependable small engine I have ever had! Period!
It is a direct drive, with no centrifugal clutch that I am so glad I didn't get because 90+% of my use is at the lowest idle for trolling (about 2.2 mph) in my 17" square back canoe, with the clutch model when you are trying to go very slow it drops out of gear. I'm not sure if you can get direct drive anymore. I wouldn't buy one with it. It is air-cooled and louder at higher speeds but since I mostly idle, it is very tolerable. It has never left me stranded and always starts right up. That said, I always run Seafoam in the gas and empty the tank and run it dry at the end of the season. Besides changing the oil every couple of years and plug maybe 3 times and replacing the pull rope, there has been no other maintenance, By the way, Honda gave me a piece of rope with a handle on it in the provided tool pouch so if the starter rope breaks on the water you can take the cover off and still pull start it. Thanks, Honda! I never needed it though. 5 years ago I forgot to empty the gas and run it dry so I had to clean the carburetor, easiest job ever and it didn't even need new parts the fuel lines were still supple. I have hit rocks and broken the shear pins, I got a length of 1/8" silicon bronze brazing rod and cut to size a lifetime of replacements. Even the rubber gasket on the fuel cap is still fine, no leaks when carrying it on its side with a full tank.
Hands down the best small motor investment I have ever made, and I don't think I will need any other one in my lifetime! A few years back I heard that the new ones are now made in China and there have been some quality issues, so, do your homework. If you find a used older model that hasn't been abused, snap it up!
I have a Hangkai 3.6 and man I can tell ya, best little motor out there for the price!!! I absolutely love mine, it pushes my 12ft flat bottom great
How long have u been using it?
after living on the water for 10 yrs i can testify that indeed suzuki is the best choice for resale value,beacause one would never sell their yammaha !
Can you get Suzukis cheap?
Yep. My Yamaha is not for sale .. or hound …. Wife , house and kids … I’m thinking ….
@@holdingpointaviation yes I have 80 HP Suzuki motor for just 378$
Suzuki Byotchhh
Been using a 2.5 hp Yamaha 4 stroke for 15 years....one service at the end of warranty. I dump the oil and refill every year.....that's it. I run it dry every time and always fires up 1 to 2 pulls. Just so reliable
Over 20 years ago, I had a suzuki just like that and it was old then. I never had an issue. I ran a little 12ft aluminum around Black Lake in Washington state with me and a friend. We pulled in a lot of trout off that lake with that little boat.
Bought a tohatsu 9.8 last year. Lighter than the 9.9, and less expensive because it’s carbureted. Been GREAT, and the fuel efficiency is amazing (after my 1965 9.5 lol)
Tohatsu makes all of merc and Suzuki small motors, with out the extra cost for the name.
Mercury changes the lower so they are lighter, but the motor itself is Tohatsu.
This was actually very helpful I'm in the process putting a small jon boat together and finding a good affordable motor has been my biggest problem
@Melody Ventresca Gmail he's building a small jon boat and your trying to sell him 15hp motor. He's not trying to add wings and go to space!
Thanks for your advice! I purchased the Suzuki one you showed for $800 Canadian ($620 US), and that includes a tank of Gas. It's just what I need for puttering around in Lakes and Streams, and it's so much easier to carry around! My Honda 8 weighs about 95 pounds and it requires a tank of gas in the boat. Really good speed for long distances, but not worth the effort of carrying it to and from my car, just for a day of fishing on a lake. Now that I have the Suzuki I'll be on the water much more!
Awesome! Sometimes smaller is better!
My 15hp Suzuki weighs 97 pounds... Your 8hp Honda weighed as much? Wow.
Agree 100%,
I have been to Parsun in China and they are a large company an make many motors.
Your merc is a Tohatsu Great company Japan.
I sun a 2004 Johnson long shaft now along with Evinrude OB!
If you look there are thousands of small outboards from Evinrude and Johnson still around and in many cases need a carb cleaned and ready to go.
I have worked with many manufacturers or outboard motors and still prefer made in America used as apposed to crap from other countries. Parsun took much of Yamaha design and tried to make a comparable product.
While made in America is for me a resounding second is made in Japan.
My buddy just waited over 16 months for a new Yamaha 150.
Great video,
Thanks
I like your subtle humor. This info is valuable... saves a lot of even the finger-walking.
Thanks!
Parts availability and network are totally key I think. Any of the big names you listed would be excellent but that Suzuki being just 29lbs looks to be of high utility. Can be your carry everywhere motor.. backup motor, kicker for trolling, canoe/kayak motor.. etc
Couldn’t agree more!
I own a 1958 Johnson 5 1/2 hp 50 Year Medallion Series and I was told several times that it actually in todays standards a 9hp outboard. I know that it has speed like you wouldn't believe considering the age and starts about every third pull. It pushes an 18' Olde Towne Square back canoe around like a rocket. Only thing I hate is putting it on to the transom because it weighs so much.
Weird i would think 1hp = 1hp but i have seen some performing better than others
I actually have a 2.5 Yamaha. I got it back when they were only $800 give or take and it’s been an awesome motor. It plains out a 15 ft v bottom John boat that’s rated for a 50hp. For its size it’s very powerful and cranks on the 2nd pull even after 6 months of being stored away
Nice!
I actually read n listen to the video at the same time! Thanks for both of the info. I guess honda is the way 😂 for me that is
I’ve owned my Honda 2.3 hp for 4+ years now and glad I did. Runs beautifully. Thx for the video.
I saw the little 2.5s and I felt it wouldn't be enough power. But six horsepower is almost double the money. I did eventually go with a tohatsu 6 horsepower for my dinghy and I'm pretty satisfied, although the prop started slipping at the end of the break in when I started moving up to 3/4 throttle. Had to buy another one. But before that I did buy the hangkai 3.6. There is a language barrier. For instance to turn the choke on you have to turn it to the off position and to turn it off you have to turn it to the on position. It's certainly louder than my Honda long shaft 5 horsepower and my tohatsu 6 horsepower. It seems to have some cheap components but they're all functioning properly. Because it's two stroke, I believe it's the lightest motor you can buy and the motor is still running strong which leaves me extremely satisfied with my $300 investment delivered to my door. Going to be using it in combination with a electric trolling motor for my next project.
Thanks for sharing!
Hello , great video . Just to let everyone know Tohatsu makes all Mercury outboards to 30 hp . I have owned both the 3.5 hp Mercury/tohatsu and the 2.5 hp suzuki , if the 11 pound diifference isn't a concern , the Mercury all the way . Tohatsu is made in Japan . Also the 2.5 and 3.5 Mercury use the same block so they weight the same And not much price difference .
And they're both still made in Japan I believe.
@@WayneTheBoatGuy that's right .
Love my tohatsu 9.8.
I have 2 late 90s 2 stroke mercury 8 and 15. The 15 came with a 12 ft aluminum boat and it was 1100$ total. The 8hp was 400$. Both are awesome.
Although I'm a Yamaha fan, I'd go with the Suzuki as well... only because it is much cheaper. I love my 2019 Yamaha 25 HP, but if I get a smaller engine the Suzuki would fit the bill. Thanks for the info on the outboard websites. Also, the info about the Mercury... I didn't know those were made in Japan...gives me more faith in the Mercury reliability now 😁😁
Their old 2 strokes are pretty reliable, if you don't consider cleaning the carb every year unreliable.
Had both.suzuki 2.5 and 6. 2.5 sipped gas, 6hp planed my 12ft tiny. Great motor s
Wayne, I like your videos. I just bought a Suzuki 2.5 at Online Outboards for $695 minus a Suzuki Rebate for $100! I really didn't need it, but a brand new outboard with a 5 year warrantee for $585! I couldn't resist. This deal is only through Wednesday 5/31/23.
Did the same months ago. Got 25 hours on it, no issues. After the 20 hr service it runs so amazing! Check the valves!!! Mine were way too loose from factory.
I can cold start first pull no throttle no choke. EVERY SINGLE TIME😊
Just recently bought a brand new Suzuki DF2.5 on sale for $770. Been super impressed with it, always starts cold within 3 pulls, currently on my 4th hour of break in period. That said, I only boat in freshwater as all my friend's boats always have some sort of problems which are evidently from the increased wear and tear due to saltwater use
Yeah saltwater is hard on engines.
In retirement my father repaired outboard boat motors. He was a very inventive person, a skilled boat builder, and a creative problem solver. He had an expression that he said often: 'Murcary doesn't make outboard motors; they make tools to repair their outboard motors'. You are warned.
smart man... I learned the hard way on the crappy Mercury quality. Yamaha's power my two boats now.
My dad and grandfather referred to mercury motors as "welfare motors".
Parsun has been around in Australia for quite a few years now. They are ok, getting better. We cannot buy them anywhere near as cheaply here as you seem to be able to over there.
I've had the Suzuki 2.5 since 2018. Great little engine. Pushed my 16" square stern aluminum canoe to 8.5mph, but most of the time we'd run at 1/3 throttle at 5-5.5. No issues, replaced the impeller once took just a few minutes. Change the oils once per year, that's all
NICE
That's the shortest canoe I've ever heard of.
@@acmeopinionfactory8018 The square backs lose a foot or more for the motor mount, his canoe would most likely be comparable to a 17' or 18' model.
@@samTollefson I was, sarcastically, referring to the use of the inch (") symbol in his post.
@@acmeopinionfactory8018 No one asked.
I have a 1977 fish finder 1.75. Been running it around for awhile now.
2 stroke.
Love it!!.
I keep good maintenance on it.
Ebay has some great finds for 2 n 4 stroke, I have a thing for small motors too! They are soo fun to have and very versatile.
Have a Coleman/Parsun 5 hp for several years. 80% of parts exchange with Yamaha.
I have good experience with Tohatsu and Suzuki but lately I've been most impressed by buying used Johnsons and Evinrudes that have good compression and doing major maintenance and service on them. After the cost of the motor and service parts, they come in about half of a similar new Suzuki and they handle the corrosive effects of salt water better. For me 2 stroke is fine and I'd rather have the reliable starting and worse fuel efficiency vs 4 stroke and their tiny jets that need for carb rebuilds a year. Honestly on our new Tohatsu 8hp we got a few years back the jets needed cleaning every other trip. We got very good at doing that quickly but eventually traded it for a 1970's 30 HP Evinrude that starts and runs reliably.
I have ordered 2 outboards from Outboard Direct . Great to deal with, fast free shipping 4 to 5 days and best NO TAX.
Great to hear
I recently just purchased a 1995 Nissan 3.5 hp 2 stroke outboard at a yard sale for $29.00 those new are usually worth over $300.00
I would always choose a brand name product over an "unknown" and risky brand. Used to own a 6HP Mercury and it was a beautiful motor. When I sold that motor and bought a larger boat, I put on a 2017 90HP Mercury four stroke and that is the quietest most smooth motor I have ever used. Again, a brand name...Mercury, Yamaha, Suzuki, Tohatsu etc...
I went 9.9 Mercury. But others I would consider Tohatsu and Suzuki in the small engine category.
I bought a tohatsu 9.8 as a retirement gift to myself last year. It’s been a great motor. It’s quiet and the fuel efficiency is amazing.
And your merc 9.9 is made by tohatsu by the way. Any merc or Suzuki under 20hp is made by tohatsu.
I bought the 2021 Suzuki 2.5 for $999 Canadian. Used the heck outta it last year and it’s been great. Super lightweight and reliable so far
Great to hear!
I have the Suzuki 2.5hp and it's perfect!! With 2 men on a 12 foot alu boat it hit 7mph and more!!
Parsun is actually pretty good, they are growing steady here in Germany due to their affordable prices and using same parts as Yamaha and Mercury. So getting parts is a no issue.
good to know thank you !
I like my parsun 2.6 it's great
My parsun on 3m IRB lasted 2 years as my weekly tender. Then kaput. No parts none of the servicing guys will touch em. Next outboard definitely Japanese.
Excellent info, Wayne. Keep those great quality videos coming our way!! Thx, Bud.
Hangkai 4 stroke 4hp are very reliable. Can’t beat them for the price. Just change the oil every 10 hours.
I looked at most of them, I ended up with the yamaha, brilliant little motor, very quiet and made in Japan.
It's very high quality and if you want something to last then its a great option.
It's also very good on fuel, I've gone out trolling with it for 4 hours or more on a single tank of fuel.
Me to i have a 4 hp 4 stroke Yamaha second hand for 500 dollars
The “Mental” bit 😂😂😂 I actually laughed out loud
I bought a 20 HP outboard motor from china for 1000 $ + 400 $ shipping. It is very similar to a 20 HP Yamaha. Quality is okay but not good, but I am very happy at all
Parson actually makes most parts for both Mercury and Coleman motors!. Then the parts are shipped to Japan for assembly.
I really enjoyed the video. Thanks.
I've been yearning for a Suzuki DF6 for my 1232 AlumaCraft flat bottom jon boat for some time {12 feet long x 32 inches wide at the bottom with a 47 inch beam, and weighs around 105 pounds). I like Japanese engineering and manufacturing techniques, wherever they happen to be assembled {I think the DF6 is assembled in Thailand). Plus, the price is certainly competitive, and I have had really good luck and service life with the two Suzuki motorcycles currently in the garage. There is an old video of a DF6 planing out a boat like mine and cruising along at a rather nice clip for a considerable distance, and I saw another review by a fellow in Australia, who had lots of experience with all kinds of small outboards, where he declared that the DF6 was among the most powerful/fastest in the 6HP range. I'm hoping it might even plane out the boat with me and my medium-sized, best buddy pooch aboard.
I'm gonna stick with the old Chrysler moter I've had since the early 80's. Rebuilt twice. Still runs strong.
Thanks Wayne this was a helpful video to find parts for my 2.6 Shakespeare which is also the parsun. Found the part I needed on amazon 👍
I have one of those little Yamaha models. Vibrates more than I'd like but never had any problems.
Never heard about Coleman before but Parsun engines has been around in Europe for years.
Parsun is actually a well know brand here in the land down under and well respected they make pretty good motors.
Hahaha I'm in the US and using the advise from a guy literally halfway around the world. HOW COOL IS THAT?
My understanding is that they are on par or better in some cases than Tohatsu at least they are often compared here. (pretty cool this internet thing ay)@@BeefSupreme-vk9sz
In Denmark, Parsun does not have the best reputation:(
My first outboard was a Suzuki df2.5 and it whas pretty reliable so Wayne my advice buy that Suzuki
Wayne I just bought a 20 hp Suzuki w electric start from onlineoutboards. Came within a week. Very happy with it! So quiet. Only thing I worry about is future maintenance
You should be able to get parts online and locally. I know we have a few Suzuki outboard dealers around here who also sell parts.
I bought a 2 HP Suzuki in 1980 and still run like new....lightweight and powerfull.
Picked the Suzuki and am loving it
I have a Mercury 3.3 2 stroke Love that thing on my little 12-ft Jon boat
Im just about to buy small outboard motor , thank you very much for your time to make the movie for others.
I am with you on the Suzuki choice.
Thanks!
Honestly i would go with used, an 70s-90s motors will look great, are really cheap and will be simple enough to repair. Get it from a decently sized brand and you can still get reproduction parts for them too
I've got two Tohatsu outboards and both have been great so they're easy to recommend. I'd like to see how the Suzuki does given the weight savings though.
Nice to hear! I don't see many bad comments about the small Mercury/Tohatsu, Suzuki and Yamaha motors.
I have my 2.5 Suzuki running my 17 ft Grumman canoe with my kids and wife and it ran really well. Easy to start. Highly recommended. Bought it for the weight saving and the price.
Parsun actually build quite a lot of components. If I am not mistaken, Lehr propane engines are built by Parsun.
Hidea builds LEHR
I chose the Parsun 2.6, the first one would not pull over, the engine was locked, but they gave me another one, and it's been great so far, it did use some oil on its first run but now it's oil tight so don't worry. The parts are much the same as Yamaha even the tiller is Yamaha.
I did pick the Suzuki too. I love it! Very happy with it.
Nice!
Great video, it’s good to know more about some options for my first boat.
Had a 2.5hp Yamaha for more than 10 years and have been through 2 impellers
I major overheat where I boiled the fuel and melted the plastic head bushing
No rebuilds runs like a top to this day
Would be looking at a Merc or a Suzuki if I had to replace it only due to price
I bought coleman 2.6 for $700 and works great
I've got the same motor starts and runs well, when I remember to turn the fuel on:)
lol!
Canadian tire in Canada actually picked up and sells Suzuki outboards - they used to sell coleman
I go for the Tohatsu 3.5 - secondly the 3.5 Mercury and lastly The Suzuki 2.5. No doubt.
Honda for the win Suzuki, tohatsu,and mercury all tie for number 2
Cool. Do you have, or have you had a Honda 2.3? I rarely ever see them used, and when I do, they sell quick!
@@WayneTheBoatGuy no I worked for a dredging company and we used 25horse hondas and Yamaha on all our dinghies and John boats the Yamaha engines needed repairs and maintenance way more than the Hondas we just changed oil on them.even had one sink on us we pulled it back up dried it changed the oil and it fired right up
Good research. Thx. Watching from Ontario Canada
Sounds like these would be the ideal outboard for a 16' canoe for 5 day trips on a chain of lakes. 😁
Nothing beats the Honda 2.3 in rough all season all weather application, run them in muddy water, salt water, ice water, its "The Power of Dreams"
Though I don't own one, Parsun is actually not too bad. They used to sell in the U.S. under the name of Kuda through Walmart and some other vendors. That said, I got my Tohatsu online and have been very happy with it. Just remember they usually ship without gear oil.
“Without gear oil” < a good reason to read the instructions!
My son has a 3.5hp Parson motor on his small inflatable. Starts first pop, economic, surprisingly quiet and its performance to date has seen him extend his trip distances as he has got confident in its performance. I realise the Honda et al are probably better motors but if you are on a budget the Parson is worth considering.
I have 3 of Parsun T5.8BMS 2 strokes. Still allowed them where I am. 20kg each. Decent sized 2.7L internal tank and standard yamaha fitting for external tank. $600 new. Not had them very long by a whole back I ran Parsun 9.8 w stroke for 5 years with no issues. I likeir 2 strokes a lot. Conversely I started with the Parsun 5HP 4 stroke and it was rubbish.
@@johnf6598 what was wrong with the 5?
@@alexm7777 5HP 4 stroke was very hard to start and not developing full throttle and stuttering above 3/4 throttle. Ended up back in the dealers to make carb adjustments and even after still hard to start but got full throttle. With the hassle of which way to lay it down for the oil sump and the weight to HP ratio I just went 2 stroke 9.8HP and never looked back.
Good! But you can choose CUKUSIN too.
Here in Finland we have some Parsun/SeaKing outboard motors, not totally bad engines. They are Chinese copies of Yamaha. I have 2,5 Suzuki and it's been very reliable.
I kinda think if I was going to buy a small motor like that I would just buy a big 24 volt trolling motor and that way I could go to most all lakes and no gas to worry about. Plus it’s quieter. My 65# Maxxum pulls my Alumacraft V14 around 3 mph which is not much difference. Just my thoughts. Great video !
Or maybe a 12 volt with 2 batteries?
Problem with electric is charging when there’s no electricity….
I own a Honda 2.3, though it is a little louder than others it’s not “that much louder!” No impeller make maintenance a dream. I’ll never sell mine, ever.
Awesome - and glad to hear it's not that much louder!
I’m considering the 2.3 Honda. My local boat store sells and services them, I like the short arm throttle and centrifugal clutch. I’m not too focused on the motor noise because they all are noisy. I’m also studying an electric option too. Funny thing a battery pack will out weigh the motor and a strong Li pack will cost more than the electric motor.
I have a suzuki 2.5 and a 30. Great outboards.
I haven't checked recently but when looking at newer outboards, I noticed the Coleman was NOT recommended for salt water, only fresh. Amazon listing for the HangKai also says they're for fresh water.
Also for this size of motor I wouldn't bother with 4 stroke heavier and less powerful best in this bracket are the tohatsu 3.5hp 2 stroke are invincible fuel efficient light.
Thanks for this video and others. I'm looking for a Suzuki 2.5 to mount on a Sportspal 12' wide transom canoe. The 30 lb weight is perfect for me. And based on other reviews, this is a highly rated motor. The Suzuki is a 68cc motor. Honda is 57cc. Yamaha uses a 72cc motor. Mercury and Tohatsu are 85cc motors. I imagine the 85cc motors will have a bit more torque but the 68cc Suzuki is adequate and 11 lbs lighter for that walk down to the lake. The Honda uses a centrifugal clutch like a chainsaw does so that was a deal breaker for me. You have to give it a shot of gas to get the clutch to engage and I expect that will make slow speed maneuvering around docks or a marina to be a bit more of a challenge. The Honda also is too noisy.
I bought a 3.5HP Merc online for $900 +$50 shipping for my 12' jon boat. Tooled along OK w/ two men. Starts first or 2nd pull. Bought the 5HP upgrade kit (carb + alum prop). Looking forward to testing it out. I was satisfied with the 3.5, sure I'll like the 5HP even better. You don't need a big motor on a 12' aluminum jon boat in a shallow Central Fl swamp.
The only boat I ever owned was 17' & had a Suzuki 115 hp inline 4 cyl 2 stoke long shaft outboard.
i have the air cooled honda, i also have a british seagull that after checking the engine no is at least 70 years old, starts 1st or 2nd pull and can still get parts for it .
I don’t even have A boat this is entertaining!
The Doug De Muro of boats. Only a bit less crazy. And easy to listen to. Subbed.
I'm trying to decide which emergency-motor to buy for our 23' Wellcraft Coastal. Can't make up my mind between a 5 HP or a 9 HP. I'm liking Mercury's propane-fuel motors...
Hello, great reviews. Do you like the Suzuki DF2.5 motor? thank you
I think I'd like one of these as a kicker motor for trolling on my 16 ft Alumacraft. I like the built on fuel tank too.
Yeah that's a handy feature!
I have the suzuki and like it so far
I'm tryna get one about a 9.9 hp outboard, I found a 9.8 hp 2 stroke mercury so I might have to go with that
With the searches I did for uber $1,000 I ended up buying the Coleman for the price and weight, so far it's been ok but then again I haven't run it that much, so far only 3 hrs
I own a Colman, actually been a decent motor, I bought because of budget constraints, my biggest regret is seven years later I find myself in need of parts for it, and they are in China
That's one of the concerns I've heard about the Coleman.
Suzuki DF 2.5 is the best engine in the class. Lightest and very reliable - just run the carburator empty of gas before storage. The idle jet is very prone to geting clogged by sitting modern gas. It takes only 20 minutes to clean if you have done it before a simple procedure. But unnecessary if you run it dry before storage.
Use ethanol free fuel and it eliminates 98% of all the carburetor issues in every outboard motor. I agree, the Suzuki DF2.5 is definitely the leader in this 2-2.5hp 4 stroke outboard motor class.