I suspend my cables off the floor with wild horse hair from Mongolia, the difference in sound is incredible. Wrap cable twice then make a suspension support above cables, approximately 2’ 3”. high.
Yes, but you need to burn in those horse hairs for at least a week of continuous listening before they perform at their optimum. Female Mongolian horse hairs will affect the treble more further enhancing fine details while Mongolian male horse hairs are awesome for subwoofer cables.
Be careful with the Female Mongolian horse hairs cables risers. They are only good if they are harvested when the horse is pregnant. Otherwise they might even ruin your sound stage. Now you know!
Cable Risers, like so many other aspects of the hobby, are exactly the reason why it's difficult to have audio and speakers as a hobby. Because you can so quickly reach a brick wall in the hobby, where there isn't anything left to do, that people begin to look for more things they can do or desire, so they can continue the hobby. This also causes an Emperors New Clothes effect where the person thinks they hear improvements because they WANT to hear improvements, because otherwise they have to admit the hobby is at another brick wall. Think about it, you get your favorite amp, sources, and processors, combine them with your dream speakers, and set them up in an acoustically friendly room. That's it! Hobby over! Time to put your time somewhere else! But some people don't WANT to stop there, so they have to keep finding ways to continue the hobby. This is where everything from cable risers to Snake Oils to the little disk you just place on your CD player in the 90's that was supposed to "clean up" your digital audio stream. And of course people think they hear a difference. They aren't able to perform a true ABX test between their exact system before the change and after the change, so hearing a slight difference means you didn't just waste your time and money, and you can keep moving forward with the hobby infinitely! Yay!
Just like after you wash your sports car. Always seems faster and better, in reality its not. Its all in our head. Its normal for men to have mental complexes that make us think we're better at things than we are. Many audiophiles think they are trained critical listeners, in reality they have no idea what their doing and won't believe anyone that tells them any different.
@@iowaudioreviews Yeah and it's a major red flag when they say things like "I know my system!, I heard a difference". No, you don't know your system. You will start to forget how it sounds a few seconds after listening and even while you are listening you can only focus on one or two attributes at a time. Blind test or GTFO.
You really need to use a cable cooker first, followed by the cd demagnetizer and don't forget to check the direction of the electron flow marked on the wire.
You can dramatically improve the sound quality of your cable lifters if you paint the Tinker Toy surfaces with a green Sharpie. You won't believe how it cleans up the female vocals to the crash of cymbals.
Most important is to burn the cable lifters, cables and voice coils in with continuous listening to heavy metal for at least 2 weeks at max volume. This doesn’t mean burning your speakers so lower the volume slightly at the point when the voice coils start to smoke. Rather than paint, dip those cable lifters in oil before the burn in as the oil will enhance the soundstage much more than any color of cheap paint. The best oil is genuine python oil. Some cheaper oils from other snakes will cause a slight resonant ring through capacitance and inductance effects yielding female voices to be elevated and the soundstage to narrow.
I run my speaker cables under the floor of my house so I use cable lowerers. The difference in sound is amazing...the bass is lower and the high notes are more defined and the sound stage is wider and more open. Also I have removed all the tubes and transistors, capacitors and resistors in my equipment as they cause phase and harmonic and IM distortion. You're probably wondering how I get amplification without the above mentioned components. It's classified information that I'm not allowed to reveal, but suffice it to say it involves plasma molecular anaerobic junctioning. You will be hearing more about this in the coming months if you read the science journals that deal in audiology, acoustics and sound wave insanity.
I have chunky speaker cables and do run them under the floor , keeps my wife happy and does sound great but I but that down to the cable not any other factor.
This is yet another example of why double blind testing is needed for tweaks like this. Anything can make a huge difference, whether it's real or not. It is also true for crossover components. It all has to do with expectations. If you change something, and tell the listener to find differences, they will. The brain can't isolate sound from other senses, no matter how hard we try. It's a very interesting phenomenon.
so that is why some musicians need auto tune because we can,t hear the difference and practicing together is just a con .go and see live music if you can,t tell a good band from an ordinary one get another hobby .
@@tobiasjames6949 In which ocean though diving in the Indian Ocean is so much better than the pacific especially if you live there . I will guess you meant water divining with a rod or stick can you hear past your own rhetoric ?.
For unshielded cables there is an electric field around the cable when active. Maybe the floor interferes with that. But a few inches from the cable, the intensity of the field decreases. So where the field is most intense it has a clear space for the electric field to happen (and doesn't affect the signal as much as on the floor). Just my snake oil hypothesis.
@@chriswithall2518 Agreed. That was always my theory as well. I felt that synthetic carpet like I have could be the worst offender. but then I see a video where Jay saw a big impact on his hdw floors. Who knows?
Why do non-audiophiles or existing, closed-minded, arrogant audiophiles feel it necessary to deprecate audiophiles who employ & have discovered certain tweaks that made a difference...? I've never seen posts from "open-minded" audiophiles criticising those who don't try these things.
My stereo system sounds better on Wednesdays, it's really amazing. I challenge everyone to listen to their systems on Wednesdays compared to the rest off the week. You have to have a REALLY GOOD SYSTEM to hear the difference.
It is well known that on Wednesdays the power grid is cleaner as most people have fallen in a numb mid week routine. They flick lights less, fridges are half empty and running less hard, etc. Try a power conditioner the other days. Will blow your -wallet- mind. Must be > $10K. Anything below is garbage... This said I am puzzled. My own audio system sounds better on Friday evenings, after the 1st beer. Can't put my finger on it... 🤔
Hi there. Induction and self induction always influence a current. And it transforms the signal. What is your problem? Want to deny the laws of physics?
I would have to disagree. My $1000 dollar stereo speakers powered by a $500 amplifier with $30000 cables and $40000 cable risers sounds best on Monday at around 7 pm up till 7:30. The soundstage simply gets wider but on Wednesdays, my system sounds like a mono setup.
@@chrisvanderaa6706 So perhaps we should start opening up our amplifiers and moving around the boards inside and then redesigning the circuits at different distances to hear if it sounds different? How about suspending our amplifiers off of the shelf that they're on would that make a difference in sound?
I'm in the UK and we have carpets in all our rooms. I found a distinct improvement in using small light wooden blocks as risers in my system (mid level LP12 and Musical Fidelity separates). Also keeping interconnects away from mains power cables.
Yeah, isn't this crazy. Several people that I have had over for a listen thought the difference was so clear that they whipped out their phones and ordered some Tinker Toys before they left my room.
@Cody Smith We do that all the time. Chris (from Vinyl Attack) was here and and we did that. He talked about it in a video. I would love to get Gene to come. I have invited him privately and publicly.
More than 30 years ago I had a Hewlett Packard 4800 Vector impedance Meter. I bought it second hand in a computer shop. When I was measuring the impedance from speakers that I had built, there was a strange reading on the meter when I moved the cables an inch or so sideways. They were just on a wooden floor. When I lifted the cables several inches from the floor and moved the cable sideways there was no effect on the meter. I thought maybe it was the radiation of a power cable in the floor but could not find any cable there. So, I'm not at all surprised that cable risers have some effect.
Okay, this can make perfect sense on a concrete slab home. There is a grid of rebar in the concrete. The home's electrical system, if it's a relatively new home, within the last 50 years or so, the electrical system is grounded to the rebar in the slab. So, the question then remains. How high off the floor do the cables need to be? Has anybody tested different elevations?
This is the problem with science that's not well understood. It's just arbitrary and maybe it helps, maybe it doesn't, maybe it could make it worse. How would you know, other than trusting your brain? PS. IT (brain) LIES TO US. But hey, give it a try. If you think it makes a difference, it probably makes a difference.
They only work if set up with a downhill slope toward the speakers correct? Actually, I think your static electricity analogy is a bit of a stretch. That is unless you're scooting the cables around on a carpet like a dog's itchy butt and develop a charge like the balloon on your shirt. But if knowing they're there influences your psychoacoustic perception, have at it! :- )
our trips to ikea, purchased some cheap glass tea light holders with little slot designs at the top that could (effectively) cradle my cables. And - dammit - it made quite a difference.
i used to do a lot of FCC compliance work with power supplies where we had to meed requirements for the level of interference we could put back on the power line feeding the equipment under test. i used a $25k spectrum analyzer to read the level of interference we were cause and did what ever it took to get us below the limits.I would add common mode chokes, capacitors across the line and to ground but in the end the layout of the parts was more important than which parts I used. There are more things in heaven and Earth, Horatio, / Than are dreamt of in your philosophy [science]
Applied science upsets some people because it basically means that everything matters and everything makes a difference to some extent. Doesn't at all surprise me. Products made from drilled oil always have noticeably stronger negative electrically active properties. I'd be curious if an unbleached undyed untreated cotton or linen blanket/mat in between the wire and the floor would make a noticeable difference, since it's probably the artificial carpet in your room causing the issue with the wire. Hardwood floors might be better but even those have a plastic coating.
Where is the science here? Any controlled listening tests? Any measurements? This isn't science...that would require evidence, not just silly, silly claims. Course, this place hasn't got a lot to do with actual evidence does it...
You may be on to something there. Of all of the rope cores we've used in the middle of the speaker cables the unbleached natural cotton has the best sound, or has the least negative effect on the sound.
Hi. Found you via Vinyl Attack. Nice to hear your explanation of some of the cable issues (your speaker cable reminds me in appearance of the first Shunyata signal cables, which they sourced from someone else). I've sold serious cables for about 30 years now. Even with that I avoided risers. However I was wrong, even though my system right now, which is very high resolution, doesn't respond much. All the variables you mentioned are in play but in my case I use monoblocks and the cables are only 5' long. Not much was lying on the carpet. I did put my manufacturer's risers under them and the difference was really fairly slight. Although this company makes some extraordinarily expensive products, the risers aren't at $150 for a pack of 8. The designer thinks the massive "high end" ones perform worse. These are plastic cables with a piece of nylon string stretch between their U shape. The cable just rests on it with a tiny contact area. I'm glad I found you. Always love places where I can continue learning and send friends and customers.
A life long friend of mine has a great system, he is really into his music, his front room has 6 windows and patio doors, his wife changed the curtains and the material type and he said it has changed the sound 😁
Lowes sells a plastic cone shaped tower called a rebar chair. Its 58 cents. It looks good under the cables and it does improve the sound. Improved imaging and focus, is noticeable in my system. Dirt cheap! Looks good and sounds good. All you have to lose is $15 at Lowes. Just try it with a open mind. Yes I am serious.
Hi Danny. I have been using cable risers for years. The best cheap option is 3 wooden chopsticks and some string tied into a tepee. This costs practically nothing and is an easy way of testing this principle, to see if it can work for you. Give it a whirl.
I have a physics degree, but don't claim to be a physicist or any kind of authority on electrical engineering, but what I did learn from the few introductory papers in electrical theory I took, was that when a current passes through a wire, there is a heck of a lot more going on than just electrons moving in a conductor. The properties of the resulting fields, frequency dependant inductance and reactance... sure you can measure them or make some kind of inference about them theoretically, but the behaviour of current is extremely complex. I always roll my eyes when I hear people insist that what you measure is what you get... I would compare that to dropping a line over the side of a boat to measure the depth and then claiming to know everything about the ocean. Sure, Danny uses measurements to determine some primary parameters of acoustic systems, but he understands what he is measuring, it's limitations, what the measurement is telling him and what it isn't. I changed out my speaker cable for the helical construction type of cable that Danny uses here, because I immediately recognised when I saw it, that the geometrical configuration of the cable would have a significant effect on the fields created around the cable, and therefore the self-induced field effects on the signal. I can't say that lifting the cables off a non-electrically neutral surface will make an improvement, but I can guarantee it will make a difference to the signal. If you alter the field, you alter the signal.
@@edd2771 How is suggesting putting your wire up on junk you have lying around the house, asking for your money? Why are you asking other people for answers? Why don't you get your own answers? I expect that Danny doesn't give you the answers you want because he cannot say whether a given modification will be a subjective improvement to you. he is telling you to try it and find out for yourself. As for double blind tests, If you can't hear a difference, don't do it. Nobody is holding a gun to your head, but you will never know until you try things for yourself. Cheer up Ed, it's just a hobby.
@@edd2771 Ed, what are you doing? Are you here just because you like arguing about nothing with strangers? I am not interested. It's boring and pointless. If you disagree, I really don't care, just say what you believe, maybe I'll read it maybe I won't. No one is obligated to engage with you.
When cd players were first introduced it was claimed that because they all measure the same they all sound the same, which they clearly didn't then someone analysed phase jitter and that explained a lot of the difference. Could there be something thats not being measured that relates to risers?
@@philspencelayh5464 That's exactly the thing, just like the early days of CD before jitter was known to be a thing, we don't know what we don't know. And even if we do know a measurable phenomena exists that affects the the signal, in the case of fields, even if could quantify some property of the fields, how do we determine it's meaning? We are dealing with a highly complex system where a current creates a fields in 3 dimensional space which acts on itself and in turn affects the current creating it and the effect varies with respect to frequency and a multitude of other factors, add to that that every medium in which the field exists has a dielectric coefficient that influences the field, and therefore the current, and it all gets very complex, very quickly. All you can know for sure is that every factor that changes in the signal path has an effect, whether it's audible, good, bad, who knows. Lifting cables of the floor and therefore changing the dielectric properties of the medium might sound better, might sound worse...All you can do is experiment and listen.
In my last home I couldn't have the cables on the floor but the was a wooden rail around the room about a foot from the ceiling with hooks screwed into it so I used so sewing thred and hung the cables using it from the hooks and yes the cables gained around 4 foot in length but it made a huge difference even with a low end budget audio system (less than £700 all in turntable, tapedeck, receiver, secondhand speakers)
@@neandrewthal there was less background noise (hum) with the cables hung so wasn't placebo effect. The reason I think was concrete floor with old-school electric underfloor heating (floor was basically a massive kettle element)
Great and easy explanation of what electrostatic charge can cause. Cotton rope have some conductivity, and grounding the rope to amplifiers chassis ground might help even more than cotton rope alone. This is simple sience similar to what you do in a ESD safe are in electronics handling/production but at a higher impedance level.
I install PA systems and use a Tone Generator and Probe Kit. Which will allow me to hear the music on the cable just by hovering the wand next to the cable. I can disconnect the speaker and still hear the music on the cable using the probe. Very good tool for finding out where interference is being added to the cables. Tried it at home, cables on nylon mix carpet had a lot of background static. Lifted cables of floor using lego blocks and this removed the static I was hearing on the cables. No noticeable difference at the speaker end. But I believe it would be noticeable on a higher end system.
I don't think microphonics of the speaker cable would make difference when low impedance device such loudspeakers are connected. The signal from amplifier to loudspeaker is rather large, comparing to signal from say from gramophone pick-up. Damn it would be actually easier to notice with low impedance headphones and good headphone amp if there differences. But my guess there wouldn't be difference with loudspeakers, and crossovers actually distort the signal in all possible domains: amplitude, phase, time delay to such degree that the signal summed reproduced loudspeaker other than amplitude is very different from original. I would think of cable risers influence as pure fantasy rather than science.
In commercial installations involving transmission lines, GIL or Gas Filled Lines use Nitrogen and Sulphur Hexafloride (SF6) as a dielectric. Yes, I know the comparison is quite unlikely given the parameters at audio frequencies but I have oftentimes wondered how long before someone develops GIL audio cables but why go to that expense when your grandkids tinker toys, Lincoln Logs, or Legos wind up in our audio system. As for me, I saving my money for a Flux Capacitor to recap my passive crossovers 😉
Yes. It's just the laws of physics. Remove or minimize as many variables that can transform an electrical signal. And all transformation is degradation. I am a believer. Now first i need money to buy a high end system, so i can also experience that influence. I like your practical approach to solving the problems in signal paths.
I recently took a motorsports wiring course. For digital signal wires that connect CANBUS components, not only are you not supposed to run parallel wires, the twists per inch is specified! Very similar to your closer to 90 degree explanation. It cancels noise in high frequency data wires.
I raised my cables off my carpeted floor in my fairly expensive system and the difference was very apparent. I had trouble understanding the lyrics but after I lifted the cables off the floor with some folded pieces of cardboard I could hear every word clearly.
I used to be an electrician and a elevator mechanic and I could trouble shoot basic electric circuits it also seemed the more I learned the more confused it seemed so I am not a electrical engineer. but I just watched a video from a guy who is a ee, somewhere along the way I learned electricity travels along the skin of an electrical wire now in this video I watched it said electrons move from electric motive force(with means the lines of force that radiate out from a wire that has electrical current moving thru it) causes electrons to flow outside the wire not on the skin or thru the core... which would mean being on the floor could very well make a diff... but to be honest it is completely over my head. I have a nice entry level system 1500$ speakers and a 3000$ receiver and A1500$ integrated amp playing airplay or CD player as a source and listening to zeppelin and the like. It probably wouldn't make a difference but it does sound pretty good. I went all thru that to say I like the way Danny explained it and if I was quite a bit upstream in a system I might be interested but since I am in the bottom 80 to 90 percent I will just say thanks for the video
"Skin effect" is a real thing in signal transmission, but it isn't a factor at the low frequencies of audio signals. There are other audiophiles with engineering backgrounds who can do a better job of what actually matters in an audio system and why.
Yep, this skin effect non-sense and cable riser bs has been debunked by audio research over the years. There's published scientific papers out there on it. These kind of audio guys refuse to acknowledge them or read them and just trust their ears. Well science has also taught us our ears and brain can't be trusted either. At least not for this sort thing were memorizing fidelity is required. Why blind tests always debunk this nonsense. There's plenty of audio demonstrations out there that easily fool human hearing and the mind. Statistically much of this is all in our heads.
I've always been told that rising the cables is only really needed if it's a concrete floor with rebar in it. Something about the cables being close to the metal rebar causes an induction effect. I actually don't know what's happening but don't doubt it's noticeable in a high end hifi system. Because what isn't? ;)
I have read that even a regular carpet can generate static electricity that can affect the cables. Risers are one way to get those cables up and away from any potential static or induction interference. Just realize, it's a tweak, not a cure-all!
@@dmark2639 Bbbbbutttt it is a cure for floor generated resistance. In the first system I put the speaker cables on risers-er- cardboard boxes... it removed a haze, a dampened thing on the high frequencies that I simply could not sort until that moment. And what are other tweaks? Let's say I use sorbothane for the feet of some gear or speakers, yes it's a tweak, but the tweak cures a problem. Tweaks are not silly flamboyant flourishes, they are cures for real sonic problems in a room. Spend a few years treating room s and you'll understand that tweaks are, when used properly, cures for genuine sonic interference in the sound your hearing from the system through the room. And by all this I do not mean tweaks bought from $$$$$$$ vendors, I mean an understanding of materials and physics and using the best materials to solve problems, it is amazing what one can do with just the few materials that actually apply to audio, the aforementioned Sorbothane, Rockwool, MDF, mass loaded vinyl... cheers.
Excellent advice. My journey followed a similar path. Well after my system achieved a good 3d sound stage I read about cable risers and skeptically tried them and observed similar results. I have used cardboard V risers. My fastest most cost effective was paper coffee cups. Paper has a dielectric coefficient as good as cotton. I am so cheap I saved my morning coffee cups. Cut a V in the top and they work well. 3" tall. Bingo. Currently I don't need them. The speaker cable is sized to travel from the monobloc to the speaker without touching the floor. Now for an even more controversial topic. I find a slight improvement getting power cables up off the carpet. Impact is a slight sense of compression of the sound like you have with a new capacitor. Not as pronounced. Definitely could not pick it out in a controlled ABX test. But once you hear it, it stays in the system. One of those hundred little things that all add up.
Wire's capacitance can't be denied in higher voltages. We started using "medium" voltage, (3000 vac), wiring where I used to work and the wire would hold enough charge unplugged that it could kill you if you didn't remember to discharge by shorting it.
I have just made speaker cable risers from oak wood and i can definitely hear a difference. More fine low-level detail, freer very high frequencies and more dynamic, faster transients and perceived louder peaks. My hardwood floor has underfloor water heating and I believe I have reduced the capacitance of the cables by raising them 6 inches off the floor.. My system is very good at resolving detail. My older Exposure amplifier is -3dB I believe at 100 kHz so it has a very extended frequency response. I do my best to have very clean AC, as little RF as possible and negligible susceptibility to non-audio signals so the amplifier can spend its energy on audio-band signals. Speaker cables are Kimber Crystal 24, length of each side is 4.5 metres or about 14 feet. Another huge improvement was gained by isolating the KEF Reference Three Two loudspeakers from the floor with compliant anti-vibration feet for washing machines. Here again huge amounts of treble energy liberated after isolation, better detail resolution. All the best, Rob in Switzerland
At dealers, shows, that I have seen the use of risers, the explanation was always the same, static electricity in the carpet was affecting the sonics and that it wouldn't have much effect on wooden floors. Never heard of rebar in concrete issue or see how cryogenically treating the risers would improve things. But hell if it works, c'est la vie.
On one of our trips to ikea, purchased some cheap glass tea light holders with little slot designs at the top that could (effectively) cradle my cables. And - dammit - it made quite a difference.
This make perfect sense too me. People think the the electrons flow through the wire. This is not true. Electrons run on the surface of the copper not in the copper. Because of this any magnetic force close to the wire can easily effect the electrons. This effect could just alter the phase just a bit and the phase shift is something that your ear could pick up. You may not know why or what, but you would just know something doesn't sound right. I use braded cable as well. One time I had a setup where I was getting 60hz/120hz hum on one channel. It drove me nuts so since I build my own pre-amps and power amps I took them to the work bench hook them up and started digging for the problem. I could fine anything wrong. Even hooked speakers up on the bench no hum. I put the system back together and the hum was still there. Swapped speaker cables at the amp and the hum was still coming out of the same speaker. I moved the rack and found the cable laying on top of a power strip that had a few wall warts on it with a neon lamp for power on. I moved the cable and the hum was gone. Ever since then I always make sure my cables are not touching the floor , walls, or any thing. If I need to 3D print something to do that I will. So it makes sense to me.
Tried it back and forward a few days with my speaker cables, sounded better without the risers and just lying on the carpet. There was definitely a difference, with the risers voices became thinner and almost fatiguing. I now use them to route the power cables over the signal cables but stay away from the speaker cables 👍 Still find it strange to notice a difference 😳
Is it electrical or vibrational issues affecting the cable, and what’s under the floor? If height doesn’t matter then perhaps using slit pipe insulation,cut into short pieces would do the job too
Danny is your floor on the ground ie is it a slab of concrete or perhaps is there already electrical cables running through your floor just trying to make sense of why this is making a difference. I'm in an upstairs flat so if its because you're lifting them up away from ground then it's unlikely to change in a flat but if its because of proximity to other electrical cables then it may just make a difference in a flat as well.
What's your floor construction? Is it a concrete slab? If so, there is probably steel mesh reinforcement (often 6" x 6" grid). Or is the floor constructed in another way? What's going on?
How to do you measure the depth, width, height and layering of the imaging and sound stage? In the past I’ve put bits of tape on the front and side walls marking positions of where certain effects, instruments or vocals come from, Swapping out bits of gear or moving room treatment makes a serious difference to how it’s all presented.
@@lloyd.8272 yes it does but I am not buying setting speaker wire or any other wires for that on toys is going to make any difference in any of those things. To answer your question crosstalk, separation, reverberation and reflection and SNR and noise floor all can be measured and will effect our Psychoacoustic perception. Also placebo effect will effect how we perceive sound. That is all I know but I am not an engineer either. 😊
It's funny that it is hard, even painful to accept it could make a difference. Unbelievable is is difficult to accept even when it is front of your eyes /ears. But if it works on your system, easy to try and is basically free, the pain will go away.
I wonder if any of this would be measurable with a VNA? I know moving an antenna near any object can cause dramatic changes in the antennas characteristics but this is also in the UHF realm.
My HEMP insulated wires sound even better!! But only if I hang them from organic silk threads. Actually, 11 gauge RG-8 Coax is a fantastic sounding speaker wire and I would sincerely love to see a comparison. I would buy the RG-8 and mail it to you to compare.
It's a win-win.... Buy & try the Tinker Toys, and if you don't like it, give them to some kids. Somebody wins! And, it's not some crappy plastic toy that will go into landfill... it's a biodegradable solution!
in the UK back in the past some audiophiles experimented using fine fishing lines attached to the ceiling lifting the cables & claimed it made a difference i kid you not.
Plastic "pizza savers" (those little white plastic tables in pizza boxes) should work fine, especially the ones that are open like a tripod and don't have the "table top" part which could introduce more dielectric absorption.
I used cable risers with my planar speakers but did not notice any difference. I upgraded my speakers a few months ago, but didn't bother using the risers, just left them on the hardwood floor. I tried the risers after seeing Danny's video. I experienced everything he said. Thinking that it was an expectation bias, I rounded up the House Boss, who has no interest in stereo, and thinks that audiophiles are mostly males with OCD issues. She sat down for about 15 seconds, and said "What did you do? It sounds a lot better!" I don't think the issue is whether they work or not, the issue is, do they work for you?
Basically, my cables and interconnects are a dense jungle. I tend to lazily chuck them behind my substantial floor standers. ‘Out of sight, is out of mind’! The only time I get to enjoy some extended, attentive listening, is when the wife goes to spend a few days with our grandchildren, leaving me supervising our 4 teacup chihuahuas. I pull the speakers further out into the room and chuck her prize, large glass coffee table into the spare bedroom. When I’m listening to music, the chihuahuas normally hide. On one occasion, I remember it well, I was listening to some Americano. I went out to the kitchen to poor a cold beer. On my return I noted a marked elevation in audio performance from the right channel. I suspected a fault with the left channel. On further inspection I found all 4 chihuahuas had berried themselves under the cable jungle behind the right speaker. When I removed them, equilibrium was restored. I’ve now trained my ‘high end’ chihuahuas to snuggle up in pairs, when I listen to music. One pair beneath the cable jungle behind the right speaker and the other pair the left speaker. I cannot guarantee the effectiveness with every breed of dog. I would suggest that anything larger than a Yorky would be counterproductive. I can’t predict what cables or speakers it would work best with, though I guarantee there would be no benefit of trying it with wireless systems. Enjoy experimenting, but most of all, enjoy the music.
I've used cable risers for a few years now. I'm not 100% sure I hear a difference but, I just made some cheap ones cutting up a 2x4. Cost me $3 and had the hardware store make the cuts. I have no problem using them because they cost next to nothing.
I use to have my cables on the floor. I could hear some distortion but thought maybe it was a loose connection somewhere. One day while moving my speakers around I drapped the cables over my chair to get them out of the way and when I listen to them no distortion. I thought hmmm it couldnt be but lets see so I placed the cables back on the floor and there was that static sound. When asked others as to why most said snake oil. Then one person said it all depends on whats underneath your flooring.
Sometimes keeping, or even getting to the point, where one has an open mind, takes work. This is where the ball gets dropped and many players walk off the field. There are some people that come into the game with their minds made up as to where their limits and saturation points of information are. These are the people that are generally the hardest to convince. However, once in a while the light goes on and the ball gets picked up and the player scores and everyone wins- well almost everyone!
So how do I manage the 50 cables hanging off the back of my equipment? I can't seperate all those cables in the cabinet. Is there a similar cable management system for all the power, RCA and speaker wire mess behind the cabinet?
Danny - you always bring "UP" the best subjects. Wink - grin... Now, because of this video, the price of Tinker Toys is going to go way up on Amazon. Hahaha All the best to you and yours, Kevin
I believe Danny believes everything he hears is a thing. I hear my Ar3 speekers fom the beginning and its a thing. Everything Danny says is bad is in these speakers and yet they produce a fantastic sound. 🤷
Recently i made some cable risers for 2 systems i have.. one system is on a wooden floor and the other sitting on a concrete floor. Both made differences in clarity/ separation and definition. As a result i also found the volume didn't need to be turned up as much to enjoy the definition of instruments and with one of the systems i really noticed a difference in soundstage, there is a depth to the the positioning on the instruments.
@Cody Smith Hey, you have yet to answer my question regarding "controlling one's Dreams". So do you believe that this is possible (just as I described above) or do you also contend that what I am suggesting concerning Dreams is simply non-sense / impossible?
Yes this works, and I had the same reaction: I don't want this to be a thing. Because if this works, that means other so called snake oil tweaks like reducing vibration also work, and that means I will have to buy an expensive audio rack. I don't want to spend that money, so I will only do it if the difference it makes is obvious enough to justify the cost. I wish non-believers would consider that more. They always portray people buying "snake oil" as idiots who waste their money on imaginary improvements, as if they're literally ALL idiots. Very unlikely to be true, because people generally don't want to waste their money.
I think it is worth saying the obvious BTW. The sounds that make that final big difference in realism in sound stage are in the micro details. There are a lot of things that can muffle these tiny micro or pico volt signals. This is where coupling capacitors, connectors, teflon dielectric, and cable architecture all come into play. So your comment that most people will never hear this is spot on. Most systems while very nice at their level just do not play these sounds that spook us and excite us. When it all comes together it is pretty amazing. I can spontaneously sense the human emotion of the artist singing. It is captured by a microphone and ends up years later in my sound room on demand. It is like that observation when a mother spontaneously lactates upon hearing her baby cry while not responding to any other child in the room. It is in our DNA, and we respond when it is done right.
Thanks for making what sounds like snake oil, a little more understandable. There's a lot of Hocus pocus out there, but having someone of your caliber who is trustworthy, makes all the difference. Thanks for all you do.
I use cork sanding blocks on a hardwood floor with Nordost Red Dawn on a modest setup (Rega CD and a 10 watt PSE). And it gives a better detailed bass.
It looks like your cables are about 3" off the floor. Do you know if the benefits are reduced or change much by only lifting the cables 1/2" -1" off the floor?
It's only 1/3 as good. The best is really about a foot. Not only does it make the soundstage bloom like a titillated ground squirrel in springtime, but it will also trip any thief should they break into your house 😇
I'm curious about the sound difference using self-powered speakers and digital signals (AES) (or line level in shielded signal cable/conduit) to the monitors and how they compare to separate amplifiers. Personally, I have found self-powered systems to work quite well.
Daanny I only come here for the plain truth. You lay everything on the table. It's easy to understand and everything I've learned here matches my own findings. I'm putting into practice everything I've leaned here over the years. Unfortunately currently I don't have room for indoors hifi. But I built a completely sq build. Competing in IASCA SQ daily truck comp this season. I have custom passive crossovers with mylar film caps and sonic caps bypass caps. Braided my own cables with a 7/16 poly ripe center wrapped with custom braided 16gx6 - 28 strand conductors woven by hand each half wrapped in tpfe tape then wrapped as one. Each conductor is wound in opposing directions. Then soildered and terminated on the ends. My hands are still cramped. But man was it worth it. Image and stage jumped to life. Upper vocal ranger. No words. Took me 3 years to get here and still not done. Lol😂 blackhole of hifi! Love ❤️ it. Danny keep it up.
Hi Danny. BANG ON about colorants/pigments in cable insulation/sheathing having sonic impact, in fact system sound/signature can be dialed up at will according to the 'impurities' embedded in the insulation materials. Once a particular mix of compounds which causes dead clean, clear, neutral sound is incorporated, a surprisingly wide range of other 'substances' can be also be included in order to 'voice' the system. Signature actually means dynamic 'patterns' in the reproduced acoustic energy transmission, patterns in energy transmissions have neurological/biochemical effects on the mind/body, some patterns are nice, some patterns are not. Proximity/contact of cables with flooring materials adds another set of patterns into the energy transfer rate, some patterns play nice together, some patterns don't.
Cable companies add compounds to the dielectrics to improve transparency, resolution, neutrality, etc.? Voicing is optional? Talk about secret recipes. That would enormously increase the complexity of cable design.
@@BruceCross Yes but unwittingly for the most part and choosing pigments for aesthetics reasons or model identification. Some cable companies are on to it and deliberately 'noise' the cables but their approach is still a crap shoot. The big trick is knowing which combination of elements produces dead clean, dead clear, dead real sound...the signature of this recipe is that there is no signature if that makes sense.....difficult to comprehend but once heard cannot be unheard and thereafter all cables/systems sound coloured/clouded. Once the clear baseline is set then it is a perfectly simple matter to add voicing at will...want your system to give you a s**tty headache no problem, want your system to be fun no problem, want your system to be therapeutic no problem. I know this concept sounds far out but it is all due to 'patterns' in the sound, usually called noise but is in fact information and at the fundamental level. In depth researching of Bybee Quantum Purifier will give a heads up on physical processes that influence system sound. Cheers.
@@ericmc6482 So most companies aren't intentionally customizing their dielectric material? And the other companies are clueless about the process? Hopefully, somebody has a clue. From what little I could gather on Bybee Quantum Purifiers, they remove low-frequency electronic noise below 2 kHz, also known as 1/f or flicker noise. Whatever that means. Quantum mechanics is only understood by a few physicists, meanwhile I struggled with algebra. Generally, I don't buy tech I can't understand. Honestly, it sounds more controversial than cable risers, but then I looked up the company and they do offer a 30-day return policy.
@@BruceCross Hi Bruce, I just lost a long reply. Yes AFAIK no companies are deliberately choosing colorants for their signature/voice properties and yes it seems that most cable companies are essentially clueless. Yes it's all to do with 1/f noise and materials all have their individual dynamic 1/f noise spectrums. Noise drives/excites system noise interactively/recursively so yes a cable change can markedly change the 'character' of a system despite LCR values being 'same'. Signal is energy transfer, Energy Transfer Rate is not constant Einstein's c but subject to dynamic field conditions, surround a conductor with a substance and the ETR will be dynamically moderated/modulated according to the surrounding material which is resolved to signal noise but is actually information (in the form of patterns) about the insulation material. Jack Bybee device is amortizing or 'whitening' the ETR which reduces 1/f noise and consequent effects on system subjective sound. JB's approach is not perfectly white and whist diminishing 1/f noise and consequent dynamic excess noise still leaves identifiable faint signature. My approach is to rigidly 'clock' ETR (no patterns) and in so doing a whole bunch of dependencies 'magically' disappear leaving dead clean clear natural sounding 3D audio repro. That said patterns can then be deliberately introduced and this opens a whole new world lol. I was serious in my comment about headache, in the name of science I have created an insulation formulation that causes nasty headache in four minutes and lingering three days, confirmed by experiment repeat three weeks later.. Physiologically/neurologically beneficial compounds can be incorporated too, stoning or DMTing a pub crowd through the PA is perfectly doable lmao. So in conclusion expect cables to influence/control system dynamic noise behaviours and physiological responses, so far AFAIK no cable manufacturers have any real clue about this and audiophiles are similarly lost in the wilderness still searching for that 'right' system sound but will never attain it without what I have planned. Thiese links may interest you and reading between the lines explains a whole lot of what is happening to human behaviours/health in dense modern cities with associated high level EMRs. Cheers. www.researchgate.net/publication/28764625_Photon_Induced_Non-Local_Effects_of_General_Anesthetics_on_the_Brain ruclips.net/video/21Z4947fl_s/видео.html
@@ericmc6482 Forgive me if I only speak in generalities, since the science is over my head. Yes, I could see how the conductor signal could be modulated by the dielectric, especially with the electric and magnetic fields. You had me searching for acronyms. ETR is Electron Transport Rate or Energy Transfer Ratio? Your explanation of Jack Bybee's approach vs. your own is beyond me, except that it reduces noise. Do you think your approach is marketable and affordable? How surreal that dielectric compounds can have sinister effects on humans, but healing effects, too. Passing magnetic pulses through a chemical substance to influence the brain is mind-boggling science. If I understood the video, electromagnetic energy transfer at specific frequencies play a major role in human biology, even at the level of protein molecules, DNA, and cell membranes. No, I don't understand it, but it's fascinating. If designer peptides can treat cancer/HIV, it would be wonderful. Yes, EMR pollution in crowded cities has even more frightening consequences. Who can deny the overlap of resonances with music? Can listening to good music heal us? Possibly.
Old style wooden clothes pins glued to bar coasters and spray painted any color you desire work very well! Material cost at the DollarTree might exceed $10! 🤣 Best Budget Cable Risers!
Many thumbs up! LOL Wonderful audiophile world. I have yet to try cable risers. I do have hardwood floor but I think it would make a difference. First, I have to upgrade my speakers with your crossover kits. When I get time, I'll do it.
Wood floors are held down with flat steel nails (they are below the surface so you can't see them). Carpeted floors are on sheet goods that are held down with steel screws. When you complain about iron / steel in connectors, this is the same thing steel along the speaker wires will have similar problems. Ideally when you use spacers do not place them uniformly to prevent a high Q situation (this also applies to computer wires especially long runs).
If you aren’t single and start using cable risers, you will be soon.
morons should hang these cables with strings to the ceiling for better sound quality
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Whether they work or not, nobody disagrees they are ugly.
The wife's been asking for a riser for weeks..
Imagine how the family dog would interact with them!
Cable risers look like train tracks and that's why I want them. Choo choo
A man of culture 😂
I suspend my cables off the floor with wild horse hair from Mongolia, the difference in sound is incredible.
Wrap cable twice then make a suspension support above cables, approximately 2’ 3”. high.
Yes, but you need to burn in those horse hairs for at least a week of continuous listening before they perform at their optimum. Female Mongolian horse hairs will affect the treble more further enhancing fine details while Mongolian male horse hairs are awesome for subwoofer cables.
I will follow your instructions, hopefully this will solve some problems I’m having…thanks
@@zenos.5315 If it fails, you should try some Egyptian camel hairs.
Be careful with the Female Mongolian horse hairs cables risers. They are only good if they are harvested when the horse is pregnant. Otherwise they might even ruin your sound stage. Now you know!
@@PierreVilleneuve88 Did Google just ban your comment?
Cable Risers, like so many other aspects of the hobby, are exactly the reason why it's difficult to have audio and speakers as a hobby. Because you can so quickly reach a brick wall in the hobby, where there isn't anything left to do, that people begin to look for more things they can do or desire, so they can continue the hobby. This also causes an Emperors New Clothes effect where the person thinks they hear improvements because they WANT to hear improvements, because otherwise they have to admit the hobby is at another brick wall. Think about it, you get your favorite amp, sources, and processors, combine them with your dream speakers, and set them up in an acoustically friendly room. That's it! Hobby over! Time to put your time somewhere else! But some people don't WANT to stop there, so they have to keep finding ways to continue the hobby. This is where everything from cable risers to Snake Oils to the little disk you just place on your CD player in the 90's that was supposed to "clean up" your digital audio stream. And of course people think they hear a difference. They aren't able to perform a true ABX test between their exact system before the change and after the change, so hearing a slight difference means you didn't just waste your time and money, and you can keep moving forward with the hobby infinitely! Yay!
Great post. It's the honest, and hard truth.
Sounds like you are not a crazy person. What are you doing here lol?
He's not selling snake oil, unless you are suggesting a conspiracy theory where Danny own's Tinker Toys... Clearly that's ridiculous!
Just like after you wash your sports car. Always seems faster and better, in reality its not. Its all in our head. Its normal for men to have mental complexes that make us think we're better at things than we are. Many audiophiles think they are trained critical listeners, in reality they have no idea what their doing and won't believe anyone that tells them any different.
@@iowaudioreviews Yeah and it's a major red flag when they say things like "I know my system!, I heard a difference". No, you don't know your system. You will start to forget how it sounds a few seconds after listening and even while you are listening you can only focus on one or two attributes at a time. Blind test or GTFO.
You really need to use a cable cooker first, followed by the cd demagnetizer and don't forget to check the direction of the electron flow marked on the wire.
Just make sure you aren't chuckling the baby out with the bath water
Solid advice.. appreciate it.
You can dramatically improve the sound quality of your cable lifters if you paint the Tinker Toy surfaces with a green Sharpie. You won't believe how it cleans up the female vocals to the crash of cymbals.
Man, must be some good female stuff in the Sharpie.
using a black sharpie, helps lower the noise floor.
Blue had a negligible effect and brown was downright horrible.
ok, but which one opens the soundstage? These guys are always listening to closed one :D
Most important is to burn the cable lifters, cables and voice coils in with continuous listening to heavy metal for at least 2 weeks at max volume. This doesn’t mean burning your speakers so lower the volume slightly at the point when the voice coils start to smoke. Rather than paint, dip those cable lifters in oil before the burn in as the oil will enhance the soundstage much more than any color of cheap paint. The best oil is genuine python oil. Some cheaper oils from other snakes will cause a slight resonant ring through capacitance and inductance effects yielding female voices to be elevated and the soundstage to narrow.
I run my speaker cables under the floor of my house so I use cable lowerers. The difference in sound is amazing...the bass is lower and the high notes are more defined and the sound stage is wider and more open. Also I have removed all the tubes and transistors, capacitors and resistors in my equipment as they cause phase and harmonic and IM distortion. You're probably wondering how I get amplification without the above mentioned components. It's classified information that I'm not allowed to reveal, but suffice it to say it involves plasma molecular anaerobic junctioning. You will be hearing more about this in the coming months if you read the science journals that deal in audiology, acoustics and sound wave insanity.
I have chunky speaker cables and do run them under the floor , keeps my wife happy and does sound great but I but that down to the cable not any other factor.
Cable lowerers... 🤣🤣🤣
When we 'hear more about this' will it be obvious to us all or is it more subtle than that?
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Cable risers? Why not. It’s a nice addition to a sophisticated megabuck junkyard of a living room. 👌
Danny. You might just be the best audio troll youtube channel in history.
This is yet another example of why double blind testing is needed for tweaks like this. Anything can make a huge difference, whether it's real or not. It is also true for crossover components. It all has to do with expectations. If you change something, and tell the listener to find differences, they will. The brain can't isolate sound from other senses, no matter how hard we try. It's a very interesting phenomenon.
That's why we've done this quite a bit where the listener has no idea if anything is being changed and any expectation is gone.
can you tell the difference between a $2000 Turntable and a $6,000. Turntable I can so easily .
so that is why some musicians need auto tune because we can,t hear the difference and practicing together is just a con .go and see live music if you can,t tell a good band from an ordinary one get another hobby .
big difference there I did a $600 versus a $1200 easy to hear the better seperation two guitars playing together could be delineated .
@@tobiasjames6949 In which ocean though diving in the Indian Ocean is so much better than the pacific especially if you live there . I will guess you meant water divining with a rod or stick can you hear past your own rhetoric ?.
For unshielded cables there is an electric field around the cable when active. Maybe the floor interferes with that. But a few inches from the cable, the intensity of the field decreases. So where the field is most intense it has a clear space for the electric field to happen (and doesn't affect the signal as much as on the floor). Just my snake oil hypothesis.
emphasis on unshielded, which none of these thicc ass cables are
The impact is an exponential decrease as distance increases. IE even a couple inches makes a difference.
All depends what the floor is made of. and its effect on L & C.
@@chriswithall2518 Agreed. That was always my theory as well. I felt that synthetic carpet like I have could be the worst offender. but then I see a video where Jay saw a big impact on his hdw floors. Who knows?
@chriswithall2518 late to the party, but it's not about lcr, it's about even propagation of the electric and magnetic fields.
Why do non-audiophiles or existing, closed-minded, arrogant audiophiles feel it necessary to deprecate audiophiles who employ & have discovered certain tweaks that made a difference...? I've never seen posts from "open-minded" audiophiles criticising those who don't try these things.
My stereo system sounds better on Wednesdays, it's really amazing. I challenge everyone to listen to their systems on Wednesdays compared to the rest off the week. You have to have a REALLY GOOD SYSTEM to hear the difference.
It is well known that on Wednesdays the power grid is cleaner as most people have fallen in a numb mid week routine.
They flick lights less, fridges are half empty and running less hard, etc.
Try a power conditioner the other days. Will blow your -wallet- mind. Must be > $10K. Anything below is garbage...
This said I am puzzled. My own audio system sounds better on Friday evenings, after the 1st beer. Can't put my finger on it... 🤔
Hi there. Induction and self induction always influence a current. And it transforms the signal. What is your problem? Want to deny the laws of physics?
I would have to disagree. My $1000 dollar stereo speakers powered by a $500 amplifier with $30000 cables and $40000 cable risers sounds best on Monday at around 7 pm up till 7:30. The soundstage simply gets wider but on Wednesdays, my system sounds like a mono setup.
@@chrisvanderaa6706 So perhaps we should start opening up our amplifiers and moving around the boards inside and then redesigning the circuits at different distances to hear if it sounds different? How about suspending our amplifiers off of the shelf that they're on would that make a difference in sound?
@@jeffmpvd7689 Haven,t you got a Hover platform yet ? so 2,000s catch ut to modern times!.
I'm in the UK and we have carpets in all our rooms. I found a distinct improvement in using small light wooden blocks as risers in my system (mid level LP12 and Musical Fidelity separates). Also keeping interconnects away from mains power cables.
I use monster cable and tried it both ways. I didn't notice any difference.
My neighbor is gonna wonder where his mailbox’s 4x4 post went😳🤣👍😎.
This is new levels of audiophile insanity. You couldn't make this up and yet here we are.
You are in the first stage of the Five Stages of Grief.
Yeah, isn't this crazy. Several people that I have had over for a listen thought the difference was so clear that they whipped out their phones and ordered some Tinker Toys before they left my room.
@Cody Smith We do that all the time. Chris (from Vinyl Attack) was here and and we did that. He talked about it in a video. I would love to get Gene to come. I have invited him privately and publicly.
More than 30 years ago I had a Hewlett Packard 4800 Vector impedance Meter. I bought it second hand in a computer shop. When I was measuring the impedance from speakers that I had built, there was a strange reading on the meter when I moved the cables an inch or so sideways. They were just on a wooden floor. When I lifted the cables several inches from the floor and moved the cable sideways there was no effect on the meter. I thought maybe it was the radiation of a power cable in the floor but could not find any cable there. So, I'm not at all surprised that cable risers have some effect.
No other cables under the floor, but what about next to them?
@@TheMatsushitaMan I think they were 5 feet next to the speaker cables.
At what test frequency did you see that behaviour ?
@@iamsometimes6712 I do not remember. It's a long time ago. I don't have the HP meter anymore so I can't test it again.
Okay, this can make perfect sense on a concrete slab home. There is a grid of rebar in the concrete. The home's electrical system, if it's a relatively new home, within the last 50 years or so, the electrical system is grounded to the rebar in the slab.
So, the question then remains. How high off the floor do the cables need to be? Has anybody tested different elevations?
This is the problem with science that's not well understood. It's just arbitrary and maybe it helps, maybe it doesn't, maybe it could make it worse. How would you know, other than trusting your brain? PS. IT (brain) LIES TO US.
But hey, give it a try. If you think it makes a difference, it probably makes a difference.
@@erics.4113 He could raise his cables 2 feet off the floor and see if it continues to get better . ..
To minimise this effect you could put the hifi in one of the bedrooms and sleep downstairs, if you live alone.
Oh boy, here we go…
Oh boy, where do we go from here?
They only work if set up with a downhill slope toward the speakers correct? Actually, I think your static electricity analogy is a bit of a stretch. That is unless you're scooting the cables around on a carpet like a dog's itchy butt and develop a charge like the balloon on your shirt. But if knowing they're there influences your psychoacoustic perception, have at it! :- )
our trips to ikea, purchased some cheap glass tea light holders with little slot designs at the top that could (effectively) cradle my cables. And - dammit - it made quite a difference.
How did they change the measurements?
I loved tinker toys as a kid. Now I have an excuse to go out and buy some !!
i used to do a lot of FCC compliance work with power supplies where we had to meed requirements for the level of interference we could put back on the power line feeding the equipment under test. i used a $25k spectrum analyzer to read the level of interference we were cause and did what ever it took to get us below the limits.I would add common mode chokes, capacitors across the line and to ground but in the end the layout of the parts was more important than which parts I used.
There are more things in heaven and Earth, Horatio, / Than are dreamt of in your philosophy [science]
Applied science upsets some people because it basically means that everything matters and everything makes a difference to some extent. Doesn't at all surprise me. Products made from drilled oil always have noticeably stronger negative electrically active properties. I'd be curious if an unbleached undyed untreated cotton or linen blanket/mat in between the wire and the floor would make a noticeable difference, since it's probably the artificial carpet in your room causing the issue with the wire. Hardwood floors might be better but even those have a plastic coating.
Where is the science here? Any controlled listening tests? Any measurements? This isn't science...that would require evidence, not just silly, silly claims. Course, this place hasn't got a lot to do with actual evidence does it...
You may be on to something there. Of all of the rope cores we've used in the middle of the speaker cables the unbleached natural cotton has the best sound, or has the least negative effect on the sound.
@@bwoody1090 hello bigcorpshill
Hi. Found you via Vinyl Attack. Nice to hear your explanation of some of the cable issues (your speaker cable reminds me in appearance of the first Shunyata signal cables, which they sourced from someone else). I've sold serious cables for about 30 years now. Even with that I avoided risers. However I was wrong, even though my system right now, which is very high resolution, doesn't respond much. All the variables you mentioned are in play but in my case I use monoblocks and the cables are only 5' long. Not much was lying on the carpet. I did put my manufacturer's risers under them and the difference was really fairly slight. Although this company makes some extraordinarily expensive products, the risers aren't at $150 for a pack of 8. The designer thinks the massive "high end" ones perform worse. These are plastic cables with a piece of nylon string stretch between their U shape. The cable just rests on it with a tiny contact area. I'm glad I found you. Always love places where I can continue learning and send friends and customers.
A life long friend of mine has a great system, he is really into his music, his front room has 6 windows and patio doors, his wife changed the curtains and the material type and he said it has changed the sound 😁
the mentally ill dont know they are mentally ill
Quite likely.
@@Paul09 maybe it sounds more "veiled" 😁
Lowes sells a plastic cone shaped tower called a rebar chair. Its 58 cents. It looks good under the cables and it does improve the sound. Improved imaging and focus, is noticeable in my system. Dirt cheap! Looks good and sounds good. All you have to lose is $15 at Lowes. Just try it with a open mind. Yes I am serious.
Been using rebar chairs for years and yeah they do make nice improvement !.
Hi Danny. I have been using cable risers for years. The best cheap option is 3 wooden chopsticks and some string tied into a tepee. This costs practically nothing and is an easy way of testing this principle, to see if it can work for you. Give it a whirl.
When you see one’s for £100s each, it’s clearly a rip off.
I have done my part experimenting this. No difference at least to my ears. Enough is enough.
I have a physics degree, but don't claim to be a physicist or any kind of authority on electrical engineering, but what I did learn from the few introductory papers in electrical theory I took, was that when a current passes through a wire, there is a heck of a lot more going on than just electrons moving in a conductor. The properties of the resulting fields, frequency dependant inductance and reactance... sure you can measure them or make some kind of inference about them theoretically, but the behaviour of current is extremely complex. I always roll my eyes when I hear people insist that what you measure is what you get... I would compare that to dropping a line over the side of a boat to measure the depth and then claiming to know everything about the ocean. Sure, Danny uses measurements to determine some primary parameters of acoustic systems, but he understands what he is measuring, it's limitations, what the measurement is telling him and what it isn't. I changed out my speaker cable for the helical construction type of cable that Danny uses here, because I immediately recognised when I saw it, that the geometrical configuration of the cable would have a significant effect on the fields created around the cable, and therefore the self-induced field effects on the signal. I can't say that lifting the cables off a non-electrically neutral surface will make an improvement, but I can guarantee it will make a difference to the signal. If you alter the field, you alter the signal.
@@edd2771 How is suggesting putting your wire up on junk you have lying around the house, asking for your money? Why are you asking other people for answers? Why don't you get your own answers? I expect that Danny doesn't give you the answers you want because he cannot say whether a given modification will be a subjective improvement to you. he is telling you to try it and find out for yourself. As for double blind tests, If you can't hear a difference, don't do it. Nobody is holding a gun to your head, but you will never know until you try things for yourself. Cheer up Ed, it's just a hobby.
@@edd2771 Ed, what are you doing? Are you here just because you like arguing about nothing with strangers? I am not interested. It's boring and pointless. If you disagree, I really don't care, just say what you believe, maybe I'll read it maybe I won't. No one is obligated to engage with you.
When cd players were first introduced it was claimed that because they all measure the same they all sound the same, which they clearly didn't then someone analysed phase jitter and that explained a lot of the difference. Could there be something thats not being measured that relates to risers?
@@philspencelayh5464 That's exactly the thing, just like the early days of CD before jitter was known to be a thing, we don't know what we don't know. And even if we do know a measurable phenomena exists that affects the the signal, in the case of fields, even if could quantify some property of the fields, how do we determine it's meaning? We are dealing with a highly complex system where a current creates a fields in 3 dimensional space which acts on itself and in turn affects the current creating it and the effect varies with respect to frequency and a multitude of other factors, add to that that every medium in which the field exists has a dielectric coefficient that influences the field, and therefore the current, and it all gets very complex, very quickly. All you can know for sure is that every factor that changes in the signal path has an effect, whether it's audible, good, bad, who knows. Lifting cables of the floor and therefore changing the dielectric properties of the medium might sound better, might sound worse...All you can do is experiment and listen.
@@philspencelayh5464 Read Ethan Winer. Ethan Winer is a real engineer and musician.
In my last home I couldn't have the cables on the floor but the was a wooden rail around the room about a foot from the ceiling with hooks screwed into it so I used so sewing thred and hung the cables using it from the hooks and yes the cables gained around 4 foot in length but it made a huge difference even with a low end budget audio system (less than £700 all in turntable, tapedeck, receiver, secondhand speakers)
Sorry, placebo. Try a blind test.
@@neandrewthal there was less background noise (hum) with the cables hung so wasn't placebo effect. The reason I think was concrete floor with old-school electric underfloor heating (floor was basically a massive kettle element)
Great and easy explanation of what electrostatic charge can cause.
Cotton rope have some conductivity, and grounding the rope to amplifiers chassis ground might help even more than cotton rope alone.
This is simple sience similar to what you do in a ESD safe are in electronics handling/production but at a higher impedance level.
I install PA systems and use a Tone Generator and Probe Kit. Which will allow me to hear the music on the cable just by hovering the wand next to the cable. I can disconnect the speaker and still hear the music on the cable using the probe. Very good tool for finding out where interference is being added to the cables.
Tried it at home, cables on nylon mix carpet had a lot of background static. Lifted cables of floor using lego blocks and this removed the static I was hearing on the cables. No noticeable difference at the speaker end. But I believe it would be noticeable on a higher end system.
Great observation. Can you please give details of the cable tracer setup you used ?. Thanks.
@@ericmc6482 Greenlee 601K-G Basic Tone and Probe Kit, there are cheaper versions.
@@mrplainlazy Thanks.
I don't think microphonics of the speaker cable would make difference when low impedance device such loudspeakers are connected. The signal from amplifier to loudspeaker is rather large, comparing to signal from say from gramophone pick-up. Damn it would be actually easier to notice with low impedance headphones and good headphone amp if there differences. But my guess there wouldn't be difference with loudspeakers, and crossovers actually distort the signal in all possible domains: amplitude, phase, time delay to such degree that the signal summed reproduced loudspeaker other than amplitude is very different from original. I would think of cable risers influence as pure fantasy rather than science.
@@pliedtka "My guess....", Clueless.
In commercial installations involving transmission lines, GIL or Gas Filled Lines use Nitrogen and Sulphur Hexafloride (SF6) as a dielectric. Yes, I know the comparison is quite unlikely given the parameters at audio frequencies but I have oftentimes wondered how long before someone develops GIL audio cables but why go to that expense when your grandkids tinker toys, Lincoln Logs, or Legos wind up in our audio system. As for me, I saving my money for a Flux Capacitor to recap my passive crossovers 😉
I heard that using Flux Capacitors in your crossovers can help solve phase issues between drivers 😏
@@zackw4941 yes, Any time delays would be eliminated 😂
That is because they call it Stormy Monday but Tuesday is just as bad but Wednesday makes me glad.
@@zackw4941 But doc needs those for the Delorian
Yes. It's just the laws of physics. Remove or minimize as many variables that can transform an electrical signal. And all transformation is degradation. I am a believer. Now first i need money to buy a high end system, so i can also experience that influence. I like your practical approach to solving the problems in signal paths.
Tinkertoys! What a great idea!!
I recently took a motorsports wiring course. For digital signal wires that connect CANBUS components, not only are you not supposed to run parallel wires, the twists per inch is specified! Very similar to your closer to 90 degree explanation. It cancels noise in high frequency data wires.
no radio frequency in speaker signals, so the digital example does not apply.
I raised my cables off my carpeted floor in my fairly expensive system and the difference was very apparent. I had trouble understanding the lyrics but after I lifted the cables off the floor with some folded pieces of cardboard I could hear every word clearly.
I can't tell if you're being serious or sarcastic, which is hilarious in its own right
@@HiJon89 same 🤣
@@HiJon89 I’m serious but I’m glad you got a chuckle.
@@HiJon89
I think he's being serious.
I use XL sized open air raised egg crates.
Much better than folded carboard pieces in my experience.
Really makes more natural sound quacks !
I used to be an electrician and a elevator mechanic and I could trouble shoot basic electric circuits it also seemed the more I learned the more confused it seemed so I am not a electrical engineer. but I just watched a video from a guy who is a ee, somewhere along the way I learned electricity travels along the skin of an electrical wire now in this video I watched it said electrons move from electric motive force(with means the lines of force that radiate out from a wire that has electrical current moving thru it) causes electrons to flow outside the wire not on the skin or thru the core... which would mean being on the floor could very well make a diff... but to be honest it is completely over my head. I have a nice entry level system 1500$ speakers and a 3000$ receiver and A1500$ integrated amp playing airplay or CD player as a source and listening to zeppelin and the like. It probably wouldn't make a difference but it does sound pretty good. I went all thru that to say I like the way Danny explained it and if I was quite a bit upstream in a system I might be interested but since I am in the bottom 80 to 90 percent I will just say thanks for the video
"Skin effect" is a real thing in signal transmission, but it isn't a factor at the low frequencies of audio signals. There are other audiophiles with engineering backgrounds who can do a better job of what actually matters in an audio system and why.
Yep, this skin effect non-sense and cable riser bs has been debunked by audio research over the years. There's published scientific papers out there on it. These kind of audio guys refuse to acknowledge them or read them and just trust their ears. Well science has also taught us our ears and brain can't be trusted either. At least not for this sort thing were memorizing fidelity is required. Why blind tests always debunk this nonsense. There's plenty of audio demonstrations out there that easily fool human hearing and the mind. Statistically much of this is all in our heads.
@@fredygump5578 Like Dr. Floyd Toole and Ethan Winer.
I've always been told that rising the cables is only really needed if it's a concrete floor with rebar in it. Something about the cables being close to the metal rebar causes an induction effect.
I actually don't know what's happening but don't doubt it's noticeable in a high end hifi system. Because what isn't? ;)
My cement floors do as you describe...
I have read that even a regular carpet can generate static electricity that can affect the cables. Risers are one way to get those cables up and away from any potential static or induction interference. Just realize, it's a tweak, not a cure-all!
@@dmark2639 Bbbbbutttt it is a cure for floor generated resistance. In the first system I put the speaker cables on risers-er- cardboard boxes... it removed a haze, a dampened thing on the high frequencies that I simply could not sort until that moment. And what are other tweaks? Let's say I use sorbothane for the feet of some gear or speakers, yes it's a tweak, but the tweak cures a problem. Tweaks are not silly flamboyant flourishes, they are cures for real sonic problems in a room. Spend a few years treating room s and you'll understand that tweaks are, when used properly, cures for genuine sonic interference in the sound your hearing from the system through the room. And by all this I do not mean tweaks bought from $$$$$$$ vendors, I mean an understanding of materials and physics and using the best materials to solve problems, it is amazing what one can do with just the few materials that actually apply to audio, the aforementioned Sorbothane, Rockwool, MDF, mass loaded vinyl... cheers.
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@@dmark2639 only if there was something causing a rubbing motion constantly
Excellent advice. My journey followed a similar path. Well after my system achieved a good 3d sound stage I read about cable risers and skeptically tried them and observed similar results.
I have used cardboard V risers. My fastest most cost effective was paper coffee cups. Paper has a dielectric coefficient as good as cotton. I am so cheap I saved my morning coffee cups. Cut a V in the top and they work well. 3" tall. Bingo. Currently I don't need them. The speaker cable is sized to travel from the monobloc to the speaker without touching the floor.
Now for an even more controversial topic. I find a slight improvement getting power cables up off the carpet. Impact is a slight sense of compression of the sound like you have with a new capacitor. Not as pronounced. Definitely could not pick it out in a controlled ABX test. But once you hear it, it stays in the system. One of those hundred little things that all add up.
I'm like you. I look for low cost tweaks that can help. Find a half dozen of them and things become noticeable. I can't afford $2,000 amps, ect.
If Tinker Toys work on speaker cables, should I consider Lincoln Logs for my sub cables? 🤔
Pro Tip - Concrete rebar plastic “chairs” are real cheap and easily available from hardware/trade stores, work a treat.
Great idea!
@@dannyrichie9743 Thanks. Usually they are grey plastic, a spray with white paint (TiO2 pigment) would improve WAF lol.
Wire's capacitance can't be denied in higher voltages. We started using "medium" voltage, (3000 vac), wiring where I used to work and the wire would hold enough charge unplugged that it could kill you if you didn't remember to discharge by shorting it.
Those little sawhorses for the cables are cool
I hope you make a video on Cryo treatment for wires, tubes, etc.
I have just made speaker cable risers from oak wood and i can definitely hear a difference. More fine low-level detail, freer very high frequencies and more dynamic, faster transients and perceived louder peaks. My hardwood floor has underfloor water heating and I believe I have reduced the capacitance of the cables by raising them 6 inches off the floor..
My system is very good at resolving detail. My older Exposure amplifier is -3dB I believe at 100 kHz so it has a very extended frequency response. I do my best to have very clean AC, as little RF as possible and negligible susceptibility to non-audio signals so the amplifier can spend its energy on audio-band signals. Speaker cables are Kimber Crystal 24, length of each side is 4.5 metres or about 14 feet. Another huge improvement was gained by isolating the KEF Reference Three Two loudspeakers from the floor with compliant anti-vibration feet for washing machines. Here again huge amounts of treble energy liberated after isolation, better detail resolution.
All the best, Rob in Switzerland
At dealers, shows, that I have seen the use of risers, the explanation was always the same, static electricity in the carpet was affecting the sonics and that it wouldn't have much effect on wooden floors. Never heard of rebar in concrete issue or see how cryogenically treating the risers would improve things. But hell if it works, c'est la vie.
On one of our trips to ikea, purchased some cheap glass tea light holders with little slot designs at the top that could (effectively) cradle my cables. And - dammit - it made quite a difference.
Lol I didn't want it to work either.
This make perfect sense too me. People think the the electrons flow through the wire. This is not true. Electrons run on the surface of the copper not in the copper. Because of this any magnetic force close to the wire can easily effect the electrons. This effect could just alter the phase just a bit and the phase shift is something that your ear could pick up. You may not know why or what, but you would just know something doesn't sound right.
I use braded cable as well. One time I had a setup where I was getting 60hz/120hz hum on one channel. It drove me nuts so since I build my own pre-amps and power amps I took them to the work bench hook them up and started digging for the problem. I could fine anything wrong. Even hooked speakers up on the bench no hum. I put the system back together and the hum was still there. Swapped speaker cables at the amp and the hum was still coming out of the same speaker. I moved the rack and found the cable laying on top of a power strip that had a few wall warts on it with a neon lamp for power on.
I moved the cable and the hum was gone. Ever since then I always make sure my cables are not touching the floor , walls, or any thing. If I need to 3D print something to do that I will. So it makes sense to me.
tl:dr all the other cable risers suck, but the gr research cable risers improved soundstage depth and clarity
i use clothespins for this,also use it when cables are close to eachother to keep a distance
Tried it back and forward a few days with my speaker cables, sounded better without the risers and just lying on the carpet. There was definitely a difference, with the risers voices became thinner and almost fatiguing. I now use them to route the power cables over the signal cables but stay away from the speaker cables 👍 Still find it strange to notice a difference 😳
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Is it electrical or vibrational issues affecting the cable, and what’s under the floor? If height doesn’t matter then perhaps using slit pipe insulation,cut into short pieces would do the job too
Danny is your floor on the ground ie is it a slab of concrete or perhaps is there already electrical cables running through your floor just trying to make sense of why this is making a difference. I'm in an upstairs flat so if its because you're lifting them up away from ground then it's unlikely to change in a flat but if its because of proximity to other electrical cables then it may just make a difference in a flat as well.
Looks cool. But I’m married.
I have the same struggle... Halp! 😜
What's your floor construction? Is it a concrete slab? If so, there is probably steel mesh reinforcement (often 6" x 6" grid). Or is the floor constructed in another way?
What's going on?
😂 Danny did you measure the difference? Being an engineer can you explain what it is what you think you are hearing?
How to do you measure the depth, width, height and layering of the imaging and sound stage?
In the past I’ve put bits of tape on the front and side walls marking positions of where certain effects, instruments or vocals come from, Swapping out bits of gear or moving room treatment makes a serious difference to how it’s all presented.
@@lloyd.8272 yes it does but I am not buying setting speaker wire or any other wires for that on toys is going to make any difference in any of those things. To answer your question crosstalk, separation, reverberation and reflection and SNR and noise floor all can be measured and will effect our Psychoacoustic perception. Also placebo effect will effect how we perceive sound. That is all I know but I am not an engineer either. 😊
It's funny that it is hard, even painful to accept it could make a difference. Unbelievable is is difficult to accept even when it is front of your eyes /ears. But if it works on your system, easy to try and is basically free, the pain will go away.
I wonder if any of this would be measurable with a VNA? I know moving an antenna near any object can cause dramatic changes in the antennas characteristics but this is also in the UHF realm.
My HEMP insulated wires sound even better!! But only if I hang them from organic silk threads.
Actually, 11 gauge RG-8 Coax is a fantastic sounding speaker wire and I would sincerely love to see a comparison. I would buy the RG-8 and mail it to you to compare.
It's a win-win.... Buy & try the Tinker Toys, and if you don't like it, give them to some kids. Somebody wins! And, it's not some crappy plastic toy that will go into landfill... it's a biodegradable solution!
in the UK back in the past some audiophiles experimented using fine fishing lines attached to the ceiling lifting the cables & claimed it made a difference i kid you not.
Plastic "pizza savers" (those little white plastic tables in pizza boxes) should work fine, especially the ones that are open like a tripod and don't have the "table top" part which could introduce more dielectric absorption.
Your T-shirts are going to give the audiopheliac a run for his money, that's very nice
I used cable risers with my planar speakers but did not notice any difference. I upgraded my speakers a few months ago, but didn't bother using the risers, just left them on the hardwood floor. I tried the risers after seeing Danny's video. I experienced everything he said. Thinking that it was an expectation bias, I rounded up the House Boss, who has no interest in stereo, and thinks that audiophiles are mostly males with OCD issues. She sat down for about 15 seconds, and said "What did you do? It sounds a lot better!"
I don't think the issue is whether they work or not, the issue is, do they work for you?
Hello Danny. Rebar chairs at Home Depot. 20 for $6.00. Easy alternative:)
Is this just something one can try with speaker cables? Not power cords ?
Basically, my cables and interconnects are a dense jungle. I tend to lazily chuck them behind my substantial floor standers. ‘Out of sight, is out of mind’! The only time I get to enjoy some extended, attentive listening, is when the wife goes to spend a few days with our grandchildren, leaving me supervising our 4 teacup chihuahuas. I pull the speakers further out into the room and chuck her prize, large glass coffee table into the spare bedroom.
When I’m listening to music, the chihuahuas normally hide. On one occasion, I remember it well, I was listening to some Americano. I went out to the kitchen to poor a cold beer. On my return I noted a marked elevation in audio performance from the right channel. I suspected a fault with the left channel. On further inspection I found all 4 chihuahuas had berried themselves under the cable jungle behind the right speaker. When I removed them, equilibrium was restored.
I’ve now trained my ‘high end’ chihuahuas to snuggle up in pairs, when I listen to music. One pair beneath the cable jungle behind the right speaker and the other pair the left speaker.
I cannot guarantee the effectiveness with every breed of dog. I would suggest that anything larger than a Yorky would be counterproductive. I can’t predict what cables or speakers it would work best with, though I guarantee there would be no benefit of trying it with wireless systems.
Enjoy experimenting, but most of all, enjoy the music.
I understand that we don't live on an orb moving thru a vacuum, but rather a stationary extended flat plane, yet _I'M_ the krazy one...
I thought everybody knew speaker cables can only work properly suspended from the ceiling by the mighty pubic hair of a male Sasquatch.
I've used cable risers for a few years now. I'm not 100% sure I hear a difference but, I just made some cheap ones cutting up a 2x4. Cost me $3 and had the hardware store make the cuts. I have no problem using them because they cost next to nothing.
You should be extremely embarrassed. That's a good reason to not use them.
@@neandrewthal I know...I suck.
I use to have my cables on the floor. I could hear some distortion but thought maybe it was a loose connection somewhere. One day while moving my speakers around I drapped the cables over my chair to get them out of the way and when I listen to them no distortion. I thought hmmm it couldnt be but lets see so I placed the cables back on the floor and there was that static sound.
When asked others as to why most said snake oil. Then one person said it all depends on whats underneath your flooring.
How do you think cables on the floor cause distortion
Sometimes keeping, or even getting to the point, where one has an open mind, takes work. This is where the ball gets dropped and many players walk off the field. There are some people that come into the game with their minds made up as to where their limits and saturation points of information are. These are the people that are generally the hardest to convince. However, once in a while the light goes on and the ball gets picked up and the player scores and everyone wins- well almost everyone!
So how do I manage the 50 cables hanging off the back of my equipment? I can't seperate all those cables in the cabinet. Is there a similar cable management system for all the power, RCA and speaker wire mess behind the cabinet?
Nice video as always 😊 a cheap way to test this is using
washing clip 🎶😃🎶 have fun all 👍
Danny - you always bring "UP" the best subjects. Wink - grin...
Now, because of this video, the price of Tinker Toys is going to go way up on Amazon. Hahaha
All the best to you and yours, Kevin
Excellent, thanks
I only wish I could find some sort of riser for my wireless audio system😄.
wireless is anyway lo end, no reason to lift anything!
For wireless audio, why not try a wave guide and lift that off the ground :)
I bought active (powered) studio monitor speakers, no need for cable risers...
When you explain it makes sense. 👍
I believe Danny believes everything he hears is a thing. I hear my Ar3 speekers fom the beginning and its a thing. Everything Danny says is bad is in these speakers and yet they produce a fantastic sound. 🤷
Recently i made some cable risers for 2 systems i have.. one system is on a wooden floor and the other sitting on a concrete floor. Both made differences in clarity/ separation and definition. As a result i also found the volume didn't need to be turned up as much to enjoy the definition of instruments and with one of the systems i really noticed a difference in soundstage, there is a depth to the the positioning on the instruments.
@Cody Smith Hey, you have yet to answer my question regarding "controlling one's Dreams". So do you believe that this is possible (just as I described above) or do you also contend that what I am suggesting concerning Dreams is simply non-sense / impossible?
@Cody Smith "...a blond test"? are you testing hair tinctures in audio?
@Cody Smith I did a blonde test. It was stupid.
Yes this works, and I had the same reaction: I don't want this to be a thing. Because if this works, that means other so called snake oil tweaks like reducing vibration also work, and that means I will have to buy an expensive audio rack. I don't want to spend that money, so I will only do it if the difference it makes is obvious enough to justify the cost. I wish non-believers would consider that more. They always portray people buying "snake oil" as idiots who waste their money on imaginary improvements, as if they're literally ALL idiots. Very unlikely to be true, because people generally don't want to waste their money.
I think it is worth saying the obvious BTW. The sounds that make that final big difference in realism in sound stage are in the micro details. There are a lot of things that can muffle these tiny micro or pico volt signals. This is where coupling capacitors, connectors, teflon dielectric, and cable architecture all come into play. So your comment that most people will never hear this is spot on. Most systems while very nice at their level just do not play these sounds that spook us and excite us. When it all comes together it is pretty amazing. I can spontaneously sense the human emotion of the artist singing. It is captured by a microphone and ends up years later in my sound room on demand. It is like that observation when a mother spontaneously lactates upon hearing her baby cry while not responding to any other child in the room. It is in our DNA, and we respond when it is done right.
Picovolt signals making an AUDIBLE difference?????
"and he heared a difference" oh yeah sure he did LOL
Actually, everyone did.
Thanks for making what sounds like snake oil, a little more understandable. There's a lot of Hocus pocus out there, but having someone of your caliber who is trustworthy, makes all the difference. Thanks for all you do.
Will it make a difference on a ceramic tile floor?
I use cork sanding blocks on a hardwood floor with Nordost Red Dawn on a modest setup (Rega CD and a 10 watt PSE).
And it gives a better detailed bass.
It looks like your cables are about 3" off the floor. Do you know if the benefits are reduced or change much by only lifting the cables 1/2" -1" off the floor?
It's only 1/3 as good.
The best is really about a foot.
Not only does it make the soundstage bloom like a titillated ground squirrel in springtime, but it will also trip any thief should they break into your house 😇
I'm curious about the sound difference using self-powered speakers and digital signals (AES) (or line level in shielded signal cable/conduit) to the monitors and how they compare to separate amplifiers. Personally, I have found self-powered systems to work quite well.
Daanny I only come here for the plain truth. You lay everything on the table. It's easy to understand and everything I've learned here matches my own findings. I'm putting into practice everything I've leaned here over the years. Unfortunately currently I don't have room for indoors hifi. But I built a completely sq build. Competing in IASCA SQ daily truck comp this season. I have custom passive crossovers with mylar film caps and sonic caps bypass caps. Braided my own cables with a 7/16 poly ripe center wrapped with custom braided 16gx6 - 28 strand conductors woven by hand each half wrapped in tpfe tape then wrapped as one. Each conductor is wound in opposing directions. Then soildered and terminated on the ends. My hands are still cramped. But man was it worth it. Image and stage jumped to life. Upper vocal ranger. No words. Took me 3 years to get here and still not done. Lol😂 blackhole of hifi! Love ❤️ it. Danny keep it up.
I would love to the differences quantified somehow. Maybe a spectral decay measurement?
Hi Danny. BANG ON about colorants/pigments in cable insulation/sheathing having sonic impact, in fact system sound/signature can be dialed up at will according to the 'impurities' embedded in the insulation materials. Once a particular mix of compounds which causes dead clean, clear, neutral sound is incorporated, a surprisingly wide range of other 'substances' can be also be included in order to 'voice' the system. Signature actually means dynamic 'patterns' in the reproduced acoustic energy transmission, patterns in energy transmissions have neurological/biochemical effects on the mind/body, some patterns are nice, some patterns are not. Proximity/contact of cables with flooring materials adds another set of patterns into the energy transfer rate, some patterns play nice together, some patterns don't.
Cable companies add compounds to the dielectrics to improve transparency, resolution, neutrality, etc.? Voicing is optional? Talk about secret recipes. That would enormously increase the complexity of cable design.
@@BruceCross Yes but unwittingly for the most part and choosing pigments for aesthetics reasons or model identification. Some cable companies are on to it and deliberately 'noise' the cables but their approach is still a crap shoot. The big trick is knowing which combination of elements produces dead clean, dead clear, dead real sound...the signature of this recipe is that there is no signature if that makes sense.....difficult to comprehend but once heard cannot be unheard and thereafter all cables/systems sound coloured/clouded. Once the clear baseline is set then it is a perfectly simple matter to add voicing at will...want your system to give you a s**tty headache no problem, want your system to be fun no problem, want your system to be therapeutic no problem. I know this concept sounds far out but it is all due to 'patterns' in the sound, usually called noise but is in fact information and at the fundamental level. In depth researching of Bybee Quantum Purifier will give a heads up on physical processes that influence system sound. Cheers.
@@ericmc6482 So most companies aren't intentionally customizing their dielectric material? And the other companies are clueless about the process? Hopefully, somebody has a clue. From what little I could gather on Bybee Quantum Purifiers, they remove low-frequency electronic noise below 2 kHz, also known as 1/f or flicker noise. Whatever that means. Quantum mechanics is only understood by a few physicists, meanwhile I struggled with algebra. Generally, I don't buy tech I can't understand. Honestly, it sounds more controversial than cable risers, but then I looked up the company and they do offer a 30-day return policy.
@@BruceCross Hi Bruce, I just lost a long reply.
Yes AFAIK no companies are deliberately choosing colorants for their signature/voice properties and yes it seems that most cable companies are essentially clueless.
Yes it's all to do with 1/f noise and materials all have their individual dynamic 1/f noise spectrums.
Noise drives/excites system noise interactively/recursively so yes a cable change can markedly change the 'character' of a system despite LCR values being 'same'.
Signal is energy transfer, Energy Transfer Rate is not constant Einstein's c but subject to dynamic field conditions, surround a conductor with a substance and the ETR will be dynamically moderated/modulated according to the surrounding material which is resolved to signal noise but is actually information (in the form of patterns) about the insulation material.
Jack Bybee device is amortizing or 'whitening' the ETR which reduces 1/f noise and consequent effects on system subjective sound.
JB's approach is not perfectly white and whist diminishing 1/f noise and consequent dynamic excess noise still leaves identifiable faint signature.
My approach is to rigidly 'clock' ETR (no patterns) and in so doing a whole bunch of dependencies 'magically' disappear leaving dead clean clear natural sounding 3D audio repro.
That said patterns can then be deliberately introduced and this opens a whole new world lol.
I was serious in my comment about headache, in the name of science I have created an insulation formulation that causes nasty headache in four minutes and lingering three days, confirmed by experiment repeat three weeks later..
Physiologically/neurologically beneficial compounds can be incorporated too, stoning or DMTing a pub crowd through the PA is perfectly doable lmao.
So in conclusion expect cables to influence/control system dynamic noise behaviours and physiological responses, so far AFAIK no cable manufacturers have any real clue about this and audiophiles are similarly lost in the wilderness still searching for that 'right' system sound but will never attain it without what I have planned.
Thiese links may interest you and reading between the lines explains a whole lot of what is happening to human behaviours/health in dense modern cities with associated high level EMRs. Cheers.
www.researchgate.net/publication/28764625_Photon_Induced_Non-Local_Effects_of_General_Anesthetics_on_the_Brain
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@@ericmc6482 Forgive me if I only speak in generalities, since the science is over my head. Yes, I could see how the conductor signal could be modulated by the dielectric, especially with the electric and magnetic fields. You had me searching for acronyms. ETR is Electron Transport Rate or Energy Transfer Ratio? Your explanation of Jack Bybee's approach vs. your own is beyond me, except that it reduces noise. Do you think your approach is marketable and affordable?
How surreal that dielectric compounds can have sinister effects on humans, but healing effects, too. Passing magnetic pulses through a chemical substance to influence the brain is mind-boggling science. If I understood the video, electromagnetic energy transfer at specific frequencies play a major role in human biology, even at the level of protein molecules, DNA, and cell membranes. No, I don't understand it, but it's fascinating. If designer peptides can treat cancer/HIV, it would be wonderful. Yes, EMR pollution in crowded cities has even more frightening consequences. Who can deny the overlap of resonances with music? Can listening to good music heal us? Possibly.
Would custom risers 3d printed with silicone bands suspended across being only thing touching the cables make it ideal?
Cable risers ??????? April 1st was 13 days ago.
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Many thumbs up! LOL Wonderful audiophile world. I have yet to try cable risers. I do have hardwood floor but I think it would make a difference. First, I have to upgrade my speakers with your crossover kits. When I get time, I'll do it.
Wood floors are held down with flat steel nails (they are below the surface so you can't see them). Carpeted floors are on sheet goods that are held down with steel screws. When you complain about iron / steel in connectors, this is the same thing steel along the speaker wires will have similar problems. Ideally when you use spacers do not place them uniformly to prevent a high Q situation (this also applies to computer wires especially long runs).
all that makes perfect sense. How did your double-blind test go? Audible is the reality we seek.
We use marshmallows in case we want a snack during the movie