Understanding China's economic system: Socialism with Chinese characteristics

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  • Опубликовано: 2 май 2023
  • Learn about China's economic model with Beijing-based scholar Roland Boer, a professor at Renmin University and author of the book "Socialism with Chinese Characteristics: A Guide for Foreigners".
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  • @platosbeard4449
    @platosbeard4449 Год назад +90

    Another home run with this one Ben. Thanks for bringing Prof Boer and his book to the program.

    • @ruby_fox
      @ruby_fox Год назад

      Hey, from a very socialist place of my heart, do you really take no issue with Chinese socialism having landlords, health care system that resembles more the US system, billionaires, severe inequality?

  • @moumouzel
    @moumouzel Год назад +42

    The western obsession with having many political parties that say somewhat different things but all do the same is so weird, demented, and telling.

  • @TheTigerQuoll
    @TheTigerQuoll Год назад +99

    I am old enough to remember when a lot of the West was social democratic with the utilities and resources owned by the people for their benefit and development.The wealthy corporate sector has seized those sectors with privatisation and used them as an exorbitant means of rent extraction which has left us in debt and a negative birth rate because too much of peoples income is extracted leaving none for creating a family unit.A system that cannot create a healthy future generation is a dead society,which the form of cruel USA capitalism that has been foisted on us in the West has created.

    • @sushipsychose
      @sushipsychose Год назад +19

      That hits hard as a German, even if I was born when privatisation was in full swing and grew up during the financial crisis (at this point, the term is meaningless, I know. I'm talking about 07/08) which blasted our remaining social net away like the Solar Wind did with Mercury's atmosphere. It pains me to think about the fact that it was Germany which had the best trains not too long ago, and every older person I spoke to agreed that our railway used to be orders of magnitude better pre-1993 (?). Same with Deutsche Post, our postal system, which they privatised 100% into three big corporations (Telekom, Deutsche Post, Postbank), two of which are monopolists offering, for example, the absolute worst telecommunication system in almost all of Europe. Water is still mostly a municipal thing, I believe, but our energy is the biggest joke of the century, I don't even want to write about it - not sure whether it used to be public as well, though.
      If we can't even have mild social democracy, which is all it was, then we are obviously doomed to continue our way to the bottom, especially considering the recent geopolitical developments.

    • @AbtinX
      @AbtinX Год назад

      Our social democracies where built on imperialism. I don't think they are viable anymore. We need something new upholding the principles of past times

    • @Qrtuop
      @Qrtuop Год назад +21

      As a fellow European, I feel you my German bro. Shit's even worse in Mediterranean countries. The fall of the USSR was the worst thing to happen to Europe.

    • @sushipsychose
      @sushipsychose Год назад

      @@Qrtuop Oh yes. I'm ashamed what my country and France have done to you by proxy of the EU bureaucracy, enriching our US-loyal ruling classes on the cost of our own neighbors, destroying every hope of solidarity between the European workers to make our countries stand together to challenge American hegemony. Amazingly, it looks like even the German model is now over for good, there is just no workaround to cheap Russian gas, and the Russians are rightfully DONE with us.

    • @willengel2458
      @willengel2458 Год назад +1

      the Scandinavian countries are more socialist than you can imagine and that's why they rarely get mentioned in the media.

  • @willchu
    @willchu Год назад +81

    Excellent show, Ben. Keep up the amazing work. 🙏

    • @idsnow
      @idsnow Год назад +4

      yes, GREAT show!

    • @ruby_fox
      @ruby_fox Год назад

      Hey, from a very socialist place of my heart, do you really take no issue with Chinese socialism having landlords, health care system that resembles more the US system, billionaires, severe inequality? Is it a great discussion if it omitted all of this and only had congratulatory rhetoric?

  • @maxsweetman6341
    @maxsweetman6341 Год назад +124

    Thanks Ben
    My country could learn a lot from the Chinese system
    Our system is totally flawed
    My leaders are inept inexperienced unqualified and not capable of handling the positions they hold

    • @grandwonder5858
      @grandwonder5858 Год назад

      The US's and UK's systems have been highjacked by the rich oligarchs who own the politicians of both countries. That's why the politicians always make the laws to favor the rich -- because the rich bribe the politicians with their money and help finance their political campaigns! In return the politicians pass laws to favor the rich! That is how the systems of the US and UK work and why both countries are going under despite constantly stealing from other countries, especially poor countries that they can dominate!

    • @Singularity.82
      @Singularity.82 Год назад +29

      If you didn't have the Australian flag in your name, we could all name a random Western country and reasonably expect you to be from there.
      Cheers.

    • @jessewatson35
      @jessewatson35 Год назад +28

      I am from NZ and totally agree. The amount of anti China shit we get here is terrible but not as bad as you get over there. Ashamed to live in the least-worst 5 eyes country and listening to our FM bleat on about China but never push back on Israel or the US.

    • @nahomyihdego497
      @nahomyihdego497 Год назад

      The west and it's people ignored a much more violations of every right of billions of people for centuries and they still do so.

    • @CommunistBot
      @CommunistBot Год назад +6

      ​@@evilChinazi-qz3tn🤣🤣🤣CIA

  • @a9udn9u-vanced
    @a9udn9u-vanced Год назад +74

    This episode really nailed it, the world should talk more about the Chinese system and take cues from it.

    • @JohnT.4321
      @JohnT.4321 Год назад +3

      I would agree but what other Western countries have actual socialist parties that would carry out the political will of the people rather than the existing parties that are in service to the capitalist class? What is to be done is for workers to organize on the political and economic fields for a system change.

    • @fun_ghoul
      @fun_ghoul Год назад +1

      Should we emulate 28% of workers living in dormitories?

    • @AbtinX
      @AbtinX Год назад +2

      ​@@JohnT.4321 the people have to make it happen, organization and collective action. Socialism is built by the base, this is the only way. And Europeans are hopeless

    • @JohnT.4321
      @JohnT.4321 Год назад +2

      @@AbtinX I could not agree with you more.

    • @a9udn9u-vanced
      @a9udn9u-vanced Год назад +4

      @@fun_ghoul The world is much bigger than "you"

  • @Pat10Ireland
    @Pat10Ireland Год назад +51

    Great segment, thank you Ben! Really interested in learning more about China's system.

  • @volafsdottir216
    @volafsdottir216 Год назад +25

    thank you Ben and guest

  • @gelinrefira
    @gelinrefira Год назад +60

    This is the type of videos Americans need to watch before they think going to war with China is a just cause.

    • @TacticalMayo
      @TacticalMayo 10 месяцев назад

      The moment China challenged our number-one position as the number one economy and global power in the world justified us going to war even if it ends in nuclear Armageddon.

  • @truthaboveall7988
    @truthaboveall7988 Год назад +23

    Also - 3.7K views - under 700 likes - come on guys - the only way to get more people educated on reality we need likes & to share this channel so that it reaches as many as possible

    • @TacticalMayo
      @TacticalMayo 10 месяцев назад

      in the west we don't want nothing to do with these commies that's just how it will always be.

    • @09DOD
      @09DOD 4 месяца назад

      Tube's Algo spagetti

  • @pedrob3953
    @pedrob3953 Год назад +8

    China runs on pragmatism above all. They don't care about "models", they care about what works and fulfils their goals. They studied the strengths and weaknesses of both socialism and capitalism, and employ them both as tools to leverage their economy, making changes along the way as required. They learned to never be blinded by ideology and never lie to themselves. Truth from facts.
    Whatever China is labeled, either "socialist" or "capitalist" or "socialism with Chinese characteristics", is irrelevant.

  • @boysiedent6149
    @boysiedent6149 Год назад +17

    Hello - Is it possible the Prof. Boer can be on Once Each Month - His knowledge is invaluable - and should be more widely expressed - Please

  • @YCHTT
    @YCHTT Год назад +79

    As of now, China has already overtaken Japan to be the biggest auto exporters in 2023 1st quarter.
    One thing you guys haven't addressed was the western propaganda about the so called Mao being a "murderer to his own people." I have researched that 15+ years ago and found out it was all lies & even US government official figures showed there wasn't any significant drop in population during the 60s and your World Bank graph of life expectancy of China @10:57 during the same period further support my findings then. Nonetheless, it was a very tough Chinese period as China was heavily sanction by the US led West as well as Russia forcing China to pay back its debt. Hence the great leap forward was introduced by Mao's government trying to increase productivity to address such issues. But like many countries such as Cuba, Venezuela & the like, people was struggling not because of their government being incompetent but was a direct result of US led sanctions. So if anyone was murdering people, it would be those in Washington DC.

    • @walden6272
      @walden6272 Год назад

      I was also shocked to learn the whole Tiananmen massacre did not happen, no photos of mass bodies, even the tank guy did not get run over. It was all Western Media lies.

    • @xdgao3015
      @xdgao3015 Год назад +6

      Well said!

    • @GGY-yh6li
      @GGY-yh6li Год назад

      30 million people starved to death, Tank Man, Xinjiang, Tibet, Hong Kong, Taiwan, the West keeps making lies in order to demonize China. But if you repeat it enough, someone will believe it. Nobody bothers to discover the truth because they only believe what they want to believe.,until one day the world they believed collapse.

    • @lowersaxon
      @lowersaxon Год назад

      Not true. Of course they are/were all incompetent. Almost every marxist regime prior to the 80s ( when China started anew) finally failed. What is more, totally planned economies will always suffer heavy inefficiencies. Sanctions? Look at the non working of the heaviest sanctions imposed on Russia. So what?
      The Chinese were smart enough to install their mixed economy which works very well.

    • @robertgillespie3635
      @robertgillespie3635 Год назад

      Except you’ve completely overlooked the ‘Cultural Revolution’. It wasn’t the product of ‘Western Propaganda’. It was the creation of Mao-and it killed many millions, while breaking what should have been a united polity.

  • @rhorizon
    @rhorizon Год назад +14

    Tricontinental recently started publishing Wenhua Zongheng in English (for free). Worth checking out for anyone interested in better understanding the different intellectual discussions in China.

  • @boysiedent6149
    @boysiedent6149 Год назад +12

    Prof. Boer - I hope you are pleased to be added to my list of Australians that I MUST LISTEN TO - [ JULIAN ASSANGE - JOHN PILGER - PROF. STEVE KEEN - PROF. ROLAND BOER ] - Much thanks for your contribution to my knowledge Base...

    • @fun_ghoul
      @fun_ghoul Год назад

      There are no "Australians". I presume you mean British leftovers.

    • @lawrencemorris2261
      @lawrencemorris2261 10 месяцев назад

      Way too wide a term. Pretty much everyone in the us is that

  • @VickiNikolaidis
    @VickiNikolaidis Год назад +14

    Thank you for this excellent interview. All your presentations on your channel are unique and necessary.

  • @boysiedent6149
    @boysiedent6149 Год назад +6

    [ THE QUESTION OF HARMONY IN CHINESE SOCIETY ] - I watch chinese videos every day - and one of the things that fascinates me - if how is it possible for so many thousands to intermingle each and every single day in such an [ Absolute Harmonious Manner ] - Thanks Prof. Boer - Now I know - A 1000- thanks

  • @giovannigentile7211
    @giovannigentile7211 Год назад +16

    Amazing description of China society and politics 😮 hope to have more soon from your guest 😊

    • @kateoneal4215
      @kateoneal4215 Год назад

      Hey, Zhugeliang, don't you think we SHOULD be studying this topic? What's your real problem?

  • @Kentalot
    @Kentalot Год назад +14

    Awesome interview. Very insightful

  • @truefranck
    @truefranck Год назад +7

    I've always been impressed by the way the Chinese government developed so quickly and lifted many of it's people out of poverty. Now Chinese are one of the people that travel the most for tourism, business, & leisure. Very impressive 👏💯.

    • @fun_ghoul
      @fun_ghoul Год назад

      28% of China's workers live in dormitories, and will not only never travel abroad, but will mostly die alone, save for their co-exploiteds.

  • @chunlingtong6137
    @chunlingtong6137 Год назад +4

    Ben 😊 thank you very much - this is from my sister. She loves your work 🤩

  • @ABee-vd6rt
    @ABee-vd6rt Год назад +9

    Thank you, Ben, for another great interview! Frederick Engels stated in the Communist Manifesto, “…in 1847, Socialism was a middle class movement, Communism a working class movement.” In his speech at a discussion session with National Model Workers on April 28, 2013, President Xi Jinping stated, “we must make sure that the working class is our main force. The working class is China’s leading class.” Regarding what economic and political system China is based on, in his November 9, 2013 Explanatory Notes (on Some Major Issues) made to the Third Plenary Session of the 18th CPC Central Committee, President Xi Jinping stated, “…only socialism can save China, and only reform and opening up can develop China, socialism and Marxism.” He further states, “our market economy is socialist, of course. We need to give leverage to the superiority of our socialist system, and let the Party and government perform their positive functions. The market plays a decisive role in allocating resources, but it is not the sole actor in this regard.” He pretty much describes what “socialist market economy” is and how it ties to the Socialism with Chinese Characteristics. Anti-China propagandists can blabber on and on about their opinions, but to get the answers, it’s best to go to the source.

    • @fun_ghoul
      @fun_ghoul Год назад

      28% of China's "leading class" live in dormitories, usually part of the factory they're exploited in. What a load of Xit.

    • @ruby_fox
      @ruby_fox Год назад +3

      And market allocated resources, creating lots of billionaires and working class in capsule like living conditions. Wouldn't socialist system at least put restrictions on maximum wealth or capital gains? The way you can very efficiently reduce poverty is with some redistribution, you know?

  • @bertanelson8062
    @bertanelson8062 Год назад +23

    This was excellent! I've only recently begun to hear about debates going on between people in China that take the form of written commentary that is readily available for everyone to read & issue their own comments. WOW! Can you imagine how different life in USA would be if we had this? Yes, of course we've been taught to consider debate as adversarial. If we could learn that through discussion & debate new perspectives can open up leading to new, previously unknown solutions, our culture could grow up! It isn't about "being right" but honestly offering your best thoughts & then LISTENING to what others contribute. Some will posit a different or even contradictory view, others might embellish your view, leading you to see your ideas from a larger perspective. This is not only "democracy" but fabulous collective learning through individual ideas!

    • @mrwilloughby8684
      @mrwilloughby8684 Год назад +5

      Debates divide. Dialectic unite!

    • @thewielloyd988
      @thewielloyd988 Год назад +3

      @@mrwilloughby8684 Thesis, Antithesis, Synthesis! It’s the new “live, love, laugh”

    • @rhorizon
      @rhorizon Год назад +2

      Tricontinental recently started publishing Wenhua Zongheng in English (for free). Worth checking out to better understand the different intellectual discussions in China.

    • @kateoneal4215
      @kateoneal4215 Год назад

      My thoughts exactly, Bertha!

    • @qjtvaddict
      @qjtvaddict Год назад

      So China is an idealistic version of what the founding fathers wanted for the United States?

  • @JS-ih7lu
    @JS-ih7lu Год назад +8

    Very informative video. Professor Boer is very knowledgeable on this subject.

  • @laogong52
    @laogong52 Год назад +8

    Thanks Ben and Roland. This is a one stop attitude corrective and must watch stream for all westerners that have neither been to China or experienced life outside of their own culture.
    I left my own culture over 40 years ago, lived several years in China in late "wild" 1990's and spent many months in China since 2000. I found this stream exteamly illuminating and confirming.

    • @TacticalMayo
      @TacticalMayo 10 месяцев назад

      As a Westerner we don't care.

  • @Qrtuop
    @Qrtuop Год назад +6

    Please bring him back for a longer segment. Very interesting stuff.

    • @kateoneal4215
      @kateoneal4215 Год назад

      But few people listen to long programs, I'd say tackle specific issues in 20 minute segments.
      You'll reach a larger audience-- and that's absolutely critical now!

    • @xye-NYC
      @xye-NYC Год назад

      @@kateoneal4215 Not sure how Joe Rogan or Lex Fridman get millions of views on their 2+ hour shows.

    • @xye-NYC
      @xye-NYC Год назад +1

      @@kateoneal4215 There's a 10 minute video "The right to bear knowledge" posted 10 years ago that only has 1.2k views. I don't think it's the length but the content that determines if it gets pushed out by the AI.

  • @JohnSmith-vm8rx
    @JohnSmith-vm8rx Год назад +8

    Great interview would love to hear more about different economic models! 👍

  • @cogniktive1147
    @cogniktive1147 Год назад +3

    Despite the professor’s surname, this was hardly a bore and truly illuminating

  • @AtlantaBill
    @AtlantaBill Год назад +9

    I saw Roland smile when you said some people think China gave up on socialism. If you make an effort to understand China and socialist history, you'll understand why.
    They still keep statues and framed images of Mao and they still haven't rehabilitated Chen Duxiu, who was known as "China's Lenin". But they're quite over Stalinism.
    Whereas Stalin made a wreck of the New Economic Policy, which very few have understood; Deng Xiaoping, he and his father both jailed by the Mao faction, made it a success in China.
    In the capitalist dictatorships, the government harnesses the working class to enrich the capitalists. In China, the government harnesses the capitalists to enrich the working class.
    [more]
    Marx and Engels always celebrated capitalism's successes and expected capitalist rule to give way to socialism until they found they had to deal with capitalism's decadence.
    It took their successors to discover the value of the revolutionary party and confront fascism. China defeated fascism and the imperialists who tried to restore it in China.
    In China they built a party that could inspire the workers, urban and rural, to bury fascism and brought 90 million dedicated colleagues into the Party to make the revolution universal.
    Confucianism isn't all that different from good Leninism and surprisingly compatible with the best entrepreneurial practices. Watch W Edwards Deming, whose team of managerial experts brought Japanese industry back from demise, as he talks here about harmony and defeating sub-optimization. ruclips.net/video/YgMoDHyPQ0s/видео.html

    • @AtlantaBill
      @AtlantaBill Год назад

      I've been a Marxist for 60 years, but one of my heroes is a capitalist manager. When I was in business school for computer information systems, looking to improve my résumé, I went with my class to attend a lecture by a forward-looking managerial theorist. During the Q & A session, I asked the lecturer how his team is received by business managers. He replied that, "Well, they think we're a bunch of socialists." W Edwards Demings' biography: ruclips.net/video/tDu47czfwiI/видео.html

    • @willengel2458
      @willengel2458 Год назад

      after the fall of the Soviet Union, Deng toured the country and "Doubled down" on socialism he believes in, that's the reason why they founded the Communist Party, a more just society. their motto is, "To serve the people."

    • @kateoneal4215
      @kateoneal4215 Год назад

      ​@@willengel2458 What a novel idea! We in the West simply can't believe such a society is possible.

  • @xrc5540
    @xrc5540 Год назад +6

    Great discussion. I like the description - a cottage industry of China experts" and Roland's last words on them. Thanks BN

  • @truthaboveall7988
    @truthaboveall7988 Год назад +4

    Sorry to ramble - incredible guest the best I’ve ever heard on how the Chinese economy & Govt really works - what an impressive success story still morphing unlike the football politics of the US

  • @williamgarcia1909
    @williamgarcia1909 Год назад +3

    PROF. ROLAND BOER, THANKS FOR UR TRUTHFUL N INSIGHTFUL REPORT N ANALYSIS OF THE SITUATION OF DEMOCRACY, RULE OF LAW. HUMAN RIGHTS, ECONOMICS, OF CHINA. THE WORLD WUD UNDERSTAND WHY CHINA HAS GROWN RICH. N BECOME MILITARILY POWERFUL. YET, CHINA IS A PEACE LOVING COUNTRY.

    • @williamgarcia1909
      @williamgarcia1909 Год назад

      I M HAPPY THAT CHINA IS NOW THE SECOND BIGGEST PRODUCER OF CARS, N MOST OF THEM R ELECTRIC CARS. NEXT ONLY TO JAPAN. BUT IT WILL SOON OVERTAKE JAPAN.

  • @jorgeabraham3414
    @jorgeabraham3414 Год назад +6

    Thanks man, I've heard Mr. Boer before in some webinars of the International Manifesto Group, it's cool to listen for a more extended time about his analysis.

  • @rhorizon
    @rhorizon Год назад +3

    42:43 Excellent description of capitalist democracy and how it leads to short-termism and political antagonism

  • @gmanhan8305
    @gmanhan8305 Год назад +5

    Another excellent program. Thank you Ben and Prof. Boer.

  • @davidsantos392
    @davidsantos392 Год назад +4

    Brilliant Mr. Norton!
    Thank you for yet another delicious report.❤

  • @AbtinX
    @AbtinX Год назад +5

    Fantastic! Thank you.

  • @sufferingsuccatash7720
    @sufferingsuccatash7720 Год назад +5

    Great show-----Thanks

  • @Tube4mj
    @Tube4mj Год назад +2

    I feel the ending note, was very important. Go to China if you want to know or speak about China. We are looking forward to going back to China later this year. In my opinion travel to, and see with your own eyes, is the best form of self education. Thank you for this great interview. Cheers from Australia.

  • @HaraldinChina
    @HaraldinChina Год назад +3

    super exciting. I really want to study with him at Renmin University

  • @bellybutton6138
    @bellybutton6138 Год назад +1

    Interesting interview. Here is someone who speaks the local language, live and work in China and try to understand what makes China tick. Better than those who criticise from afar. I think Boer would be trusted and probably one of those whom the Chinese leaders will listen to his thinking and opinions. When someone talk to us, we know whether they are sincere or not. The world paints China as evil communist. The word communist has taken an evil persona without really understanding it and it has to be good vs evil, communism vs capitalism.

  • @vitorlima1092
    @vitorlima1092 3 месяца назад

    Very very nice interview!! Thank you from Brazil!

  • @robertseaborne5758
    @robertseaborne5758 Год назад +6

    Thanks Ben and Roland, for this clarification of Socialism with Chinese characteristics. Especially good to hear it coming from down under; there is hope for the great Southern land yet.

    • @fun_ghoul
      @fun_ghoul Год назад +1

      Ugh. At least you didn't say Au******a.

  • @jamysmith7891
    @jamysmith7891 Год назад +4

    Brilliant stuff,
    Always bringing me back to the root of the ideological problem of the absolute fiction of the free market;
    How much of the US market is planned by the private sector directly and indirectly through media and government influence?
    The Free vs Controlled dichotomy is such BS

  • @T1me-wb4us
    @T1me-wb4us 2 месяца назад +1

    your work is very important, Ben!

  • @headsails
    @headsails Год назад +1

    This episode is very inspiring and insightful. It’s opened a few more doors I needed to fill in a few gaps. The dynamics of this Chinese economic recalculation is showing great promise.

  • @tedpikul1
    @tedpikul1 Год назад +3

    Great discussion, thanks very much for this!

  • @headsails
    @headsails Год назад +1

    Ben, your guest is amazingly cool and gives us direct details from within China’s system. This is probably the most important interview an American can watch that will lead to an elevated understanding of not only the US economy but of what a optimized future global economy will look like. People need to let go of the identity BS (cult of personality, celebrity, wealth status - vanity) of capitalist logic if they want to partake in a more streamlined, equitable and efficient economy.

  • @jamysmith7891
    @jamysmith7891 Год назад +2

    People are generally capable of recognizing quality leadership from among their peers,
    Provincial and National candidates are just strangers no matter how long they stand at a Podium

  • @AnonUser2023
    @AnonUser2023 Год назад +2

    One of your best interviews 👍👍👍

  • @momentbymoment14
    @momentbymoment14 Год назад +1

    the absolute pearl where he states to the effect that : true communism would only be possible in some centuries, depending, and that the socialist process leads to it, indicates the depth of understanding of the human psyche/spirit and that the Chinese model is leading the way to an enlightened humanity, where integration of the different levels of being/s (including between individual and collective) are indeed harmonious, coherent, prosperous, creative, and beautiful. This is second tier spiral dynamics and "bound to be succesful".

  • @MrConnor1462
    @MrConnor1462 Год назад +1

    Honestly, my dude, thus one was a BANGER. So interesting!

  • @selwynr
    @selwynr Год назад +2

    Socialism is NOT when the government does things. Socialism is when the people or workers vote on issues affecting their lives, from the local to the national or regional level - nothing is centrally determined or planned, or rather nothing is determined without determinative input from the people who are effected by such decisions. In other words, socialism is the dismantling of central authority and the implementation of direct democracy. I would call China a mixed economy with central planning and some features of socialism that do not go far enough. It is socialism-lite, if you like. This is not a criticism, as such. The current Chinese system is infinitely preferable to Western neoliberalism/capitalism.

  • @cybourne5910
    @cybourne5910 Год назад +2

    Great work! Learned hips!

  • @kioly_ah
    @kioly_ah Год назад +4

    也算是一种把过去既有的认知重新认识的过程

  • @glynnismacpherson504
    @glynnismacpherson504 Год назад +2

    Thankyou gentlemen 🌿

  • @rcmrcm3370
    @rcmrcm3370 Год назад

    Hi Ben: is there a link for the book? I tried searching for it, only Springer Singapore showed it.

  • @celine_2084
    @celine_2084 Год назад +1

    we need more talks like this!!

  • @Billy_Almighty
    @Billy_Almighty Год назад +9

    👏👏👏👏

  • @batlash1
    @batlash1 Год назад +1

    More Boer! Please

  • @headsails
    @headsails Год назад

    Wow, I need this book.

  • @headsails
    @headsails Год назад +1

    33:00 👍 I would love to see this in the US. It needs this critically. The government should subsidize the rural economies to be self sufficient and thus keep people from having to leave their indigenous areas to “make it”. The big benefit to this is the eventual trend of deurbanizing the cities to a point where city or country holds promise for whatever specialization one finds gratifying. It’s balanced and has the most diversity of opportunity. Gold star ⭐️ here.

    • @headsails
      @headsails Год назад

      Farm town and factory town are equals and reinforce each other’s purpose.

    • @headsails
      @headsails Год назад

      The idea also is to give production autonomy to rural areas without to much oversight while dovetailing with the current factory model that competes with foreign markets. China will eventually fine tune this as global markets begin to follow suit and will do so as a matter of common sense economics.

    • @TacticalMayo
      @TacticalMayo 10 месяцев назад

      Don't you dare try to promote this communist garbage in the United States.

  • @georgesiew6203
    @georgesiew6203 Год назад +2

    There are two main misconceptions in this discussion of socialism that I have to point out.
    1) Socialism like democracy is a spectrum with no distinct end points. A society can only be more or less socialist, more or less democratic. There is no sense in which there is a distinct state of socialism or capitalism, democracy or authoritarianism. These binaries refer to directions not states. All society can do is aim for higher and higher levels of socialistic and democratic achievement knowing that there are no distinct end states for the pursuit of either.
    2) This idea that socialism can only be enacted when society is very rich is wrong. Socialism is a state of social organization. The ideal is not choosing between top down management VS bottom up management but the conception of all of society as one. The right parallel is to think with is that of multi-cell living organisms VS collections of single cell living organisms. All multi-celled organism form a cooperative whole of smaller parts. Take your body, there is no sense in which your brain exploits your hands, the body in a true symbiosis of parts where all parts truly exhibit the behaviors of "to each according to need and from each according to ability". That is what socialism truly is or what socialism is really aiming for. To pursue for the whole of society, the organization, at least wholistically, of the single multi-celled living organism. Every person or sub-group is a unique cell/organ of the body with a role to play and a well being to be looked after for. We don't need to do empty theorizing when it comes to how such an organization could be setup. We have the billions of years of evolutionary history showing us the ways. It shows very clearly that every multi-celled organism is made of parallel processes of top down and bottom up management integrated in the most ingenious ways. Clearly for us to harp on which method is better is completely misguided. It also makes no sense for us to talk about that this machinery can only be set up once society reaches a certain level of wealth of complexity when we see life teaming with socialism everywhere at all complexity levels, in all shapes and sizes, and in every nook and cranny. The setting up of this machinery is possible at all levels of development and is not easy at any level of development. The hope for socialism is not in making society richer but in pursing an evolutionary path towards socialism based on experimentation and learning. Unfortunately the only people currently taking this approach are the Chinese.

  • @wagonwheel6657
    @wagonwheel6657 8 месяцев назад

    very in depth and informative video

  • @Lbanum
    @Lbanum Год назад +2

    That was superb.

  • @gwendolynsimmons2080
    @gwendolynsimmons2080 Год назад

    Thank You! This has been so informative! I plan to order this book! 38:12

  • @vancloudguy
    @vancloudguy 8 месяцев назад

    For those who would like further understanding of the Chinese way, I would recommend books and lectures by professor Wen Tiejun.

  • @headsails
    @headsails Год назад

    19:50 great point. Poor socialism is not socialism. Socialism isn’t some cut-rate ideology. It can be as sophisticated if not more so than capitalism since it reaches more people with less fallout.

  • @joaovoador05
    @joaovoador05 10 месяцев назад

    Very informative.

  • @vincenttayelrand
    @vincenttayelrand Год назад

    Enlightening - thanks!

  • @yamhweeyeo3089
    @yamhweeyeo3089 2 месяца назад

    I wonder what is so difficult to fathom concerning Socialisn with Chinese characteristics. It is a mixed economy because there are many components in the public sphere of governance which have to be managed by the state so that the productive forces can focus on delivering goods and services to meet the essential needs of the people while on the other hand, there are surplus productive forces which can be nurtured for Chinese people and entrepreneurs to compete with one another domestically in preparation for competition globally in the country's longterm planning for economic development.

  • @Caspian917
    @Caspian917 4 месяца назад

    Professor Roland Boer is great. Unfortunately, Ben didn't dive deeper with more questions for the point Boer made, instead just asked different questions

  • @peterfeatherbone6268
    @peterfeatherbone6268 Год назад

    Greetings from Australia

  • @headsails
    @headsails Год назад +1

    42:43 When people get together to plan society, it becomes clear that unfinished business surrounding any given issue cannot go on indefinitely. Thus, an issue like “abortion rights” does not linger perennially but gets settled once and for all as an overall consensus policy. This implies that a two party system is counterproductive and undesirable. If people can’t decide on things, that’s when a two party system steps in and perrenializes this division. I’m fact, one could surmise that a society with a party duopoly is an indecisive society with great social inefficiencies.

  • @sethbrown1763
    @sethbrown1763 Год назад +2

    I have to sasy that the impression I get from your videos, Ben, is that you cut the Gordian Knot of obfuscation that Western propaganda weaves around any discussion of China and their developement of their system of governance.
    It's literally like you take a firehose to a mountain of bullshit and wash it all away.
    Many thanks to your guest, Roland Boer, for his clear explanations of the way their democracy works.
    It makes me want to visit China and see for myself :)

    • @TacticalMayo
      @TacticalMayo 10 месяцев назад

      China has no democracy.

  • @xiaoyanzhang56
    @xiaoyanzhang56 Год назад +6

    I believe Mao knew him much much better than we do with all that revolutionary experience together. Mao judged him with Marxist principles, not any othe criteria used by revisionist economists.

    • @fun_ghoul
      @fun_ghoul Год назад

      @zhugeliang Copypasta king 👑

    • @kateoneal4215
      @kateoneal4215 Год назад

      ​@zhugeliang Get off it, buddy! You're doing yourself a disfavor.

  • @Genedide
    @Genedide Год назад +1

    Can Roland find a publisher that will make his book range at $13-$30 instead of $83-113?

  • @richardbluhm1873
    @richardbluhm1873 9 месяцев назад

    Proper prior planning prevents piss poor performance. What do you know? Planning actually works!

  • @billparsonsartist8565
    @billparsonsartist8565 Год назад +1

    Great information. I'm amazed and fascinated by China's complex and successful (for its people) economic and political systems. After watching this interview I immediately searched for Prof Boers books. They are priced so high by the Western vendors, like Amazon and others, that l cannot afford them. Anyone know of retailers with down to earth prices for Prof Boers books?

    • @IdleBystander1
      @IdleBystander1 Год назад +1

      If you have an e-reader or are open to reading on a screen, I'm almost certain you can find his work on Z-Library. There are drawbacks to this approach, namely 1) some technical savvy may be required and 2) it's not strictly speaking the most legal way to acquire published works. To 1, there are instructions available to walk you through the process and to 2, if that action weighs on your conscience you might look for a way to donate to him directly. Considering what a small cut of sales authors typically get, this would almost certainly be a better deal for him. In any case, many scholars are just happy to have their work being read and making an impact-some will even send you PDFs of their work if you email them and ask nicely!

    • @gwendolynsimmons2080
      @gwendolynsimmons2080 Год назад +1

      Ask your public library to purchase them! Also, if you are near a College or University check their library! At some schools citizens can get a library card and borrow books. This is especially true if you are a Senior Citizen. 58:56

  • @aerobique
    @aerobique Год назад

    interesting

  • @headsails
    @headsails Год назад

    34:48 this is huge!!! The US would be wise to take notice.

  • @tukity
    @tukity Год назад +5

    This is great. Make the China experts at least learn the language to participate in the debate.

  • @truthaboveall7988
    @truthaboveall7988 Год назад +1

    Btw u need titles like CHINA IS WINNING /or the US is LOSING TO CHINA 🇨🇳 I’m not great at this but I can tell ur not getting exposure thx to these algos
    Titles that grab people get more views - I do know that & ur work deserves a FAR larger audience

    • @kateoneal4215
      @kateoneal4215 Год назад +2

      I strongly disagree. This target audience is much more sophisticated -- and there are far too many screeching titles competing with each other.

  • @BobsRevenge
    @BobsRevenge Год назад +4

    Hu Jintao and Zhang Zemin were also a continuity from Deng, and neither was a capitalist roader or anything either. In fact the whole market reform and movement toward the West comes from late Mao thought. They weren’t able to properly moderate those forces sustainably though, and China’s economic progress meant inevitable conflict with the West, which is where Xi came in. There’s always a tendency for betrayal narratives when looking at socialist history but in this case there is mostly continuity and no betrayal at the level of these leaders.

    • @GuyWhoLikesTheSnarkies1435
      @GuyWhoLikesTheSnarkies1435 Год назад +1

      Not specifically a theoretical thought of late Mao. PRC were already implementing NEP-like economic policy earlier on in 1951, read "The Socialist Transformation of Capitalist Industry and Commerce in China" by Kuan Ta-Tung. And going back further, Mao had already experimented with market economy much earlier when CPC-PLA were still operating numerous soviet zones.
      It was post-Stalin Soviet Union who became a major obstacle to the market economic development in China due to their "anti-revisionist" ideological policy forcing other countries to follow the same step as theirs. And the pressure from Sino-Soviet Split forced China to begin implementing similar policies to Stalin's collectivism in order to sustain necessary economic self-sufficiency.

  • @DC-wg1cr
    @DC-wg1cr Год назад +3

    The poor always being with us does not mean their needs shouldn't be met. Poverty still exists in China, just not absolute or deep poverty as the US calls it.

    • @fun_ghoul
      @fun_ghoul Год назад +1

      Exactly. 28% of Chinese workers live in dormitories.

    • @DC-wg1cr
      @DC-wg1cr Год назад +1

      @@fun_ghoul a lot of migrant workers do, and the state is trying to support migrant workers as much as they can. The first step is meeting basic needs for ALL then the next step is building moderate prosperity

    • @fun_ghoul
      @fun_ghoul Год назад +1

      @@DC-wg1cr Please explain the role of Chinese billionaires, and why they cannot simply be dispossessed and reeducated, their capital returned to the (ostensible) workers' state.

    • @DC-wg1cr
      @DC-wg1cr Год назад +1

      @You Row, Joe! billionaires are subservient to the party, they are allowed to gain wealth IF they generate it in a way that uplifts the lower classes. If they misbehave they get gulagged or guillotined. The reason why class struggle has not intensified is because China is working on addressing external contradictions, since internal social struggle would weaken them for the imperialists. The reform and opening up is explained in this quotation from the attached article:
      "Under the pressure of both domestic problems and external aggression, China embarked on the path of ‘learning from the outside world to defend against foreign intervention’ (师夷长技以制夷, shī yí zhǎng jì yǐ zhì yí), which has been fundamental theme of Chinese history over the past century or so. This formulation, despite having been ridiculed by many since the 1980s following the initiation of China’s economic reforms, epitomises the country’s strategy. On the one hand, China has closely studied the key drivers of Western power, namely industrial production, technological development, economic organisation, and military capability, as well as methods for social mobilisation based on the nation-state. On the other hand, China has sought to learn from other countries for the purpose of advancing its development, securing its independence, and building upon its own heritage."
      dongshengnews.org/en/whzh-vol1-no1-article2/

    • @fun_ghoul
      @fun_ghoul Год назад

      @@DC-wg1cr Put another way, how many migrant workers could have their own apartment for what capitalists spend -- or make! -- on a luxury condo block in a major city? Daniel Dumbrill toured a new condo in Shenzhen a while back that was being sold for (the yuan exchange on the day of) US$30M. It was 930m² (10,000 square feet), had a servant's quarters, and Bentley and Lamborghini dealerships on the ground floor. This is the basis for comparison and, dare I say, improvement. 💪

  • @RP-mm9ie
    @RP-mm9ie Год назад

    Best😊

  • @andrewm8539
    @andrewm8539 Год назад

    Market economy involving the interaction between supply and demand which translates into private companies doing business in a free environment, thus creating the mechanism to determine prices, does not in any way negate the need for a strong government which determines priorities for development of a country in which that very market exists. The fact is just the opposite, it NECESSITATES the presence of such government. This is the essence of market socialism, which is what China has been doing the last few decades. A healthy dose of both market mechanism and socialist policies is exactly what a country needs to maximize its speed of building and spreading prosperity and optimize its advancement as a civilization. This is not a hard concept to grasp.

  • @patri153
    @patri153 Год назад +4

    ❤❤❤

  • @rezakarampour6286
    @rezakarampour6286 Год назад +4

    👍✌

  • @crw662
    @crw662 Месяц назад

    That is the most Chinese apartment. I could have instantly told you where he was, even without knowing the topic of the video.

  • @odessacolonna9950
    @odessacolonna9950 Год назад +2

    Ben , please invite RF Kennedy Junior on your platform . Very few have the temerity to host him . i so wish to listen how he is going to take America out of systemic poverty . I may vote for him , depending on his answers . thank you so very much.

    • @kateoneal4215
      @kateoneal4215 Год назад

      I do SO wish KENNEDY was well-informed on this and other topics!!!! It makes me tear my hair out that he's smart and his heart's in the right place, but he's swallowed so much propaganda about some CRITICALLY VITAL issues!!!!
      AND HE'S THE ONLY REASONABLE CANDIDATE WE'VE GOT...... ... damn..... 😢

    • @fun_ghoul
      @fun_ghoul Год назад +3

      You cannot vote out capitalism. Period.

    • @KikoRex
      @KikoRex Год назад +1

      Lol, no

  • @headsails
    @headsails Год назад

    55:00 the criterion of truth is practice. This is right because to really know truth one must experience it. Hence, if I said there was a bear in the other room, you would need to go look to actually know the truth. Now, extrapolate this logic to western corporate media or western culture in general where people say all manner of things that are never experienced and thusly never “known”. This has gotten to epic catastrophic proportions. George Gurdjieff best explains this concept.

  • @mns8732
    @mns8732 Год назад +1

    @22:57 explains the direction America is pointed towards in a deliberate effort. Its no accident someone you might know is homeless.

  • @gwendolynsimmons2080
    @gwendolynsimmons2080 Год назад

    👏👏👏👏👏👏 57:23

  • @christopherdobbie
    @christopherdobbie Год назад

    Isn't it obvious that the middleclass is those workers who own their own home. You become a stakeholder in the capitalist system you're living in. If the economy grows, so does your wealth.

  • @bigmeany214
    @bigmeany214 Год назад +2

    ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

  • @lealyan
    @lealyan Год назад

    👍🏼

  • @tomtraster2065
    @tomtraster2065 Год назад

    My favorite part is when you discuss needing capitalism so that socialism is possible.

  • @rcmrcm3370
    @rcmrcm3370 Год назад +1

    👍✊

  • @davidchin35
    @davidchin35 3 месяца назад

    Socialism with Chinese characteristics means Capitalism in capitals and Euphemism with a capital E