I have 32gb of ram. 2tb sata ssd. I have 8gb permanent primocache L1 running with fastboot enabled. It's so fast. Never had a problem with corruptions etc. My memory is 3600mhz ddr4. Game benchmarks on my channel include the primocache running. You don't gain or lose fps but increase loading times - also primocache really helps star citizen! If you have extra memory not being used just as well use it. Its a 30 day trial download worth a look.
Addressing Q2, you only mention mtbf, which is only one part of the story, there's another metric that measures SSD endurance, which is TBW, total byte written. All SSDs have a TBW endurance rating which measures the total amount of data that can be written to the drive before it fails. For example, a Samsung 980 pro 2TB ssd has a TBW rating of 1200TB, meaning that there's a good change that the drive might fail after 1200TB has been written to the drive. The TBW rating is arguably more representative than mtbf as it measure the actual activity of drive rather than the time that drive is powered. TBW rating is also used to measure remaining life of the drive that are shown programs like crystaldiskinfo or other disk info softwares. Anyways, going back to Q2. The answer is YES, using SSD as cache will reduce the life of the SSD. The degree which it degrades depends on the actual activity of drive, so the more you use HDD and its cache to move stuff around, the more you degrades the SSD. Though if you have an SSD with a high endurance rating, e.g. 1200TBW, it will take 1200TB of file transfer to full degrade the drive, which is going to last quite a while.
Thanks for bringing up TBW. I do agree that's a very valid point, I probably should've mentioned that as well. At the end of the day 1200TB as one such example is a lot of data. That's going to take a lot of time to satisfy that, is it possible, yes but I think that still falls in the negligible metrics. For example, I write a lot of data (mostly 4K footage and pictures) to my SSDs directly which is the equivalent of an SSD being used for caching. I very recently replaced my last computer (which is over 4 years old). My SSDs have been fine, even for computers I've had much longer, SSDs have been fine. If you check the reviews from people on most of the popular SSDs, most of them are very highly rated. You don't see many reviews saying my SSD just failed after X number of data written to it. The question comes back to, will my SSD degrade for caching? Technically yes, then again technically everything degrades, your RAM, CPU, GPU, etc... but realistically it takes such a long time for this too happen, in my opinion I think it's negligible. You can even say that your HDD itself may fail before your SSD because your HDD actually has moving parts. Even for example a heavy user writing 50TB of data a year, that's still going to last quite a while even for SSD's with a lower TBW rating. Now if this was a flash drive or sd card, I would be much more concerned, I've had several of those failed just from being used in a dash cam. I definitely appreciate your response and attention to detail and you are technically correct. I just think it's negligible from the big picture perspective.
@@landpet It very much depends on the TBW of the drive and for example my current 512GB SSD which is rated for 180TB TBW is currently at 57TB after less than a year... so it won't survive three years. Given the fact that I've already killed another 512GB SSD in this scenario before, I wouldn't call it negligible.
Using primo cache is good, but configuring primo ramdisk and remapping browser cache folders also greatly improves internet browsing. just use mklink /d "source" "destination". copy the cache folder path, delete the source folder and then run mklink in the windows terminal and a shortcut to the ramdisk folder will be created. Softperfect ram disk is a good free alternative.
I'm pretty sure PrimoCache prevents shutdown/reboot until unwritten data is written to disk unless you click the option "restart anyways" or whatever Windows says when there's programs still running.
Very nice and informative video. Kudos to your efforts in making such useful video!! I just have one question please. Can we use one ssd L2 cashe for multiple hdd or should we partition ssd to be used for more than one hdd.
Either way works, I think I would just use one SSD as L2 cache without partitioning it especially for write cache because it supports a larger capacity in it's not partitioned mode.
Great video. So is using the SSD just a "magic trick" like using the RAM? (meaning it looks like it's copied and it's usable, but it's still copying in the background?). If so, will it actually be done copying faster, or will it be the same amount of time?
Thanks! Yes except RAM is faster than SSDs typically. Yes it still takes the same amount of time to copy it in the background, hence it’s a magic trick
I think the SSD dying myth comes around from when they where first introduced. They where fast at the time but they didn't last long. I guess its one of those that stuck till now. New devices, New hardware and advancements in technology. People haven't got to worry bout SSD failures often these days.
Hello I wanted to ask before buying. Does the speed increase also between 2x SSD? 1 with Primo cache and the other destination just reading? I wanted to speed SSD for 8K editing footage and need it JUST to playback the footage. Thanks.
Hello! I need some help, although I haven't tried it out yet. I do plan on buying an SSD, but I want to try the RAM option for transferring my files. Is it possible to use the RAM option for transferring files to an external hard drive or a flash drive? My main drive is an HDD 1TB, and I want to transfer some files to an external/portable hard drive 2 TB. My transferring speed is super SUPER slow (1-3 mb/s, sometimes even below that like 700 kb/s). I have 24 GB of RAM, and it's usually sitting at 7 GB when idle. So if I try the RAM option of Primocache, using 12 GB RAM, the same as your example, And if I transfer my files using Cut and Paste from my main drive to the external hard drive, Will the transferred files retain in my external hard drive after ejecting it safely (Or the flush/stop or remove cache)? Or will the files be lost? I'm still quite confused about this, since your files were retained in your E drive, even after stopping or removing the cache.
Does LVL2Cache increase boot speed of an HDD? I have a Optane drive but unfortunately my system doesn't support Optane so I can't utilize it. I have it used as Readyboost Drive but ReadyBoost doesn't seem to do anything.
Hi ! Somehow for me didnt working the ram metod....i have 64 gigs of ram and i dedicate 45 gb for cache and i copying file to an external harddrive via usb 3.0 and the max speed is about 100 mb /s. I set everything like you in the setup but its not working. Can you help me ? :)
Thank you for your video, but I need someone to advise on the best setting for my setup. I have a ASUS ProART90 with Intel(R) Core(TM) Í9-9900K CPU @ 3.60GHz ,Cores: 8,Threads: 16 L2 Cache: 2.05 MB , L3 Cache: 16.38 MB. 64 GB Ram with NVIDIA Quadro P4000 , Video Memory: 4 GiB Video Memory Type: Unknown DAC Type: Integrated RAMDAC Current Resolution: 3840 x 1080 Current Refresh Rate: 143 Hz lntel(R)UHD Graphics 630 Video Memory: 1 GiB. I have tried a few settings but seems like nothing make an improvement. Thanaks for any suggestions!
Thank you for the video! I have a question about the lifespan, I'm using "NVME" SSD for L2 Cache and I set it for read & write; so does it affect to its lifespan (tbw) ?
Technically it does but it’s minimal. Puts off SSD’s have a TBW rating of over 200TB. My Samsung 980 pro has a TBW of 1200TB. How much data do you plan on using? In my personal opinion, in most cases it’s negligible.
Is it ok to set "INFINITE" in Defer-write setting? because I realized that it helps to empty previous cache Edit: I used all ram cache to my main "C" drive which is already SSD
When you mentioned to backup prior to making it L2 cache do you mean just the partition (if it's one) or also the entire main drive that partition belongs to?
It’s always safer to backup the whole drive and that’s what I recommend, with that said if you know what you’re doing, you only need to backup the partition that you are going to use to create the L2 cache since that’s the only section that will be erased.
great video! just one question. you mentioned at 5:49 that if you restart your computer then the file you just transferred to your drive will be gone/corrupted. Is this only due to the fact that you're using a USB drive or does this occur among other hard drives and sata drives in general? because I don't see a point in using RAM to speed up an HDD if the file is going to be corrupted/removed when the PC is booted after being shut down or restarted. I hope I'm misunderstanding here because it would defeat the purpose of using memory
Thanks! When I mentioned that there, I meant if the cache is not emptied yet then you will lose the file. If the cache has been emptied out then you can restart or turn off the computer, the file will remain. This has nothing to do with what you're copying it to, like a USB drive or a HDD. To add some more context: (Very fast memory) RAM uses Volatile memory = when it loses power, it loses its data (Slower memory compared to RAM) SSD, USB Flash Drive, HDD use non volatile memory = when it loses power, it retains the data This is a simplification of how Primocache works to speed up your transfers: Copying data from HDD1 to HDD2 actually copies the data from HDD1 to L1 Cache (RAM) to HDD2. The reason you see it copying so quickly is because it's copying to RAM first (that's not the final destination though). While it "appears" to have finished copying the data to HDD2 very quickly, it's not actually done just yet until the cache is emptied out. So even though the file appears to be on HDD2 and is usable (in my case, the video file I played), it's not actually done until the cache is free. At 5:49, what I mean is if you restart the computer at the time where the cache hasn't emptied out into HDD2 (meaning the files has not been fully transferred to HDD2) then you will lose the file. Now if you wait long enough, the cache will empty out and you will not lose the file, it will be on HDD2. Long story short, check primocache software to see if there are any more data blocks to write or force it to flush out the cache. Once the cache is empty, feel free to restart or turn off the computer, it will be at HDD2 when you turn it back on.
@@landpet oh wow that makes so much more sense thank you for the response! so with that said, would it be wise to flush out the cache after each larger transfer and/or before shutting down your PC so it's forced to hurry up the ACTUAL transfer to the hard drive or wherever the targetted destination? so in a nutshell this is what I'm getting: initialize the transfer -> files go through RAM -> "finishes" and shows up as available/transferred (but is actually still residing in the RAM until it's fully processed to the destination) -> flush out the cache to speed up the process to the destination to avoid corruption when losing power from shutting down. Lastly, say I get a BSOD. Would that mess with the cache in my RAM or would it be okay since it didn't actually lose power?
@@Lucid_XP You're welcome. BSOD may cause issues for you, you don't necessarily have to click flush out to cache, it should be transferring in the background automatically. The only thing you need to do is in the even you are planning on shutting down/restarting/etc then I suggest you check if the cache is empty.
@@Lucid_XP Basically even though your transfer done but the cache on primecache not cleared yet, anything happen to your PC (e.g. BSOD, lost power or shut down by any mean) you will lost the data. If you planning to backup or copy huge hard drive, maybe 8TB or higher I wouldn't recommend using this program as it is to risky but if it is less than 1TB should be fine.
@@GonzoAzama good to know! and like landpet said, if I do end up needing to transfer that much, I'll be checking to make sure the cache is empty or flushing it accordingly
Thank you sir you just give me a new knowledge, subbed just now. But how about the speed when you unzip large files like 10-20 GB? got any speed difference?
Can PrimoCache cache an external USB HardDrive ? A lot of External Desktop Drives 8TB - 20TB are great for storing everything, but even at USB 3.0 speeds, are a bit slow... It would be great to use PrimoCache to Speed up the external Loads of data using L1 RAM and L2 SSD to speed it up.
I have one question of which i couldnt find anywhere. whenever i use l2 cache defer write function and use a partition of my very fast samsung 980 pro ssd as l2 cache. it frequently looses health. i have bought this ssd one month ago. and its already looses 3% health being written 28.4TB. is it normal to loose health when using ssd as l2 cache? if so, should i be concerned and not use it primocache further?
It will loose health the more you use it but generally even with that it should last a long time. If it gets continually worse at a fast pace, i would disable it. I personally didn't experience much loss
Mostly the write speeds, the read speeds should increase as well assuming you set your options correctly and you use the same read files consistently. Speeding up read is more difficult because it needs to know what you use the most so it can store those files in the cache so it can speed it up.
You have to wait until the cache is written, so if you're using this just to copy something and take out the pendrive quickly, then there's no point in doing this because you still have to wait for the cache to empty which will take the same time as if you were to copy to the pendrive without any of this caching with PrimoCache. This is more useful for permanent hard drives or something you plan on leaving plugged in for a while for the cache to empty.
Depends entirely on you, what are some average file sizes you plan on copying? Whatever size that is, I would put a little more than that. The more you can dedicate the better but if you’re not going to utilize it, it’s pointless.
hey i tested it it has 0 benefits becose its like you kopy it and its done but not done in background is still copping and i tested it with only copy normal and its faster then primocache so why i pay for this when its even slower then normal copy wtf?
If you use enough cache, it should speed up the copies however as you mentioned, it's more of an illusion than anything else. But it does help speed things up.
I need to upload file from 6TB HDD Capacity but i have backup file which is around 2.36 TB can i use this method to upload faster as the read will be faster
@@nansfilms2430 depends on you, are you using mainly for reading or writing or both, watching the original video (ruclips.net/video/6FT-xaKxj8A/видео.html) I go over all the settings. This is the FAQ video
If the game is loaded constantly, it should get cached and load faster. There is also something very specific to game loading which is called RAMDISK (www.softperfect.com/products/ramdisk/) that converts your parts of your RAM to act like a hard drive, that will speed up your game loading significantly but it does require RAM.
@@landpet thanks,if I use SSD as cache to speed up the game loading, it will get that fast each time to run the game,even restart the PC ？ Will it delete the cache after shutdown the PC？
Hello Bro,so i tried using this and it actually increased the file transfer speed..but here is a thing: so it goes good at first(talking about copying files to usb or external HDD) but then in the middle,it eventually goes down to 0kb/s but again shoots up after a minute and starts working... what's need to be done?? thanks in advance if u reply🤘🏻😂
so like i'm so lost but, can i speed up my wd easystore copy and paste speed without deleting all my stuff in my d drive my bad but i'm slow when it comes to explanations
Please don’t delete stuff, you’re not supposed to do that. This method uses an empty SSD and/or RAM to speed up slower drives. I don’t recommend this method for external drives since they can be unplugged easily when writing is happening in the background
that is crazy that PrimoCache doesn't tell you it's still writing to the drive !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! should refuse to stop especially if it's doing something with C, absolutely insane. stay away i reckon.
Jaja that's why I keep my Minitool Partition Wizard 11.4 installation file in my cloud, 11 has a lot of functions that in 12 became only paid, and those are the most common used, the only paid on 11 are the copy image completely, cloning I think are the same and some others I don't really use.
I thibk you should look more at TBW (Total Bytes Written) to have an idea of longevity of SSD drives...Mecanical drive all have minimum 1-1,5 Millions hours MTBF also...And also good to point out that SSD liidespan or TBW is total bytes WRITTEN...not read. Depending on algoritmes used for caching and if someone is using this caching because PC is slow du to a lack of ram and it need to use swap file it may serioulsy impact any SSD lifespan. But you can gage it checking ur SSD model TBW and the average Primo cache is using daily..
2 more points...SSD lifespan can be stretched by leaving enought empty space in it for it to be able to shuffle writes around and not wear down specifics "data cells" by writing to them more often. In SSD the control software that come with them ofthen have an option for "Over PRovisioning" which reserve a percentage of the SSD drive that wont be used but to keep more free cell to shuffle around to differents cell the writes and make SSD last longer. **you can acheive simmilar result by juste keeping 10-20% free space that u wont use..when using an ssd that is let say 90% full....every write happening are on the SAME data cells as the 90% allready written dont change place...
I have 32gb of ram. 2tb sata ssd. I have 8gb permanent primocache L1 running with fastboot enabled. It's so fast. Never had a problem with corruptions etc. My memory is 3600mhz ddr4. Game benchmarks on my channel include the primocache running. You don't gain or lose fps but increase loading times - also primocache really helps star citizen! If you have extra memory not being used just as well use it. Its a 30 day trial download worth a look.
Thanks for that info!
Addressing Q2, you only mention mtbf, which is only one part of the story, there's another metric that measures SSD endurance, which is TBW, total byte written. All SSDs have a TBW endurance rating which measures the total amount of data that can be written to the drive before it fails. For example, a Samsung 980 pro 2TB ssd has a TBW rating of 1200TB, meaning that there's a good change that the drive might fail after 1200TB has been written to the drive. The TBW rating is arguably more representative than mtbf as it measure the actual activity of drive rather than the time that drive is powered. TBW rating is also used to measure remaining life of the drive that are shown programs like crystaldiskinfo or other disk info softwares.
Anyways, going back to Q2. The answer is YES, using SSD as cache will reduce the life of the SSD. The degree which it degrades depends on the actual activity of drive, so the more you use HDD and its cache to move stuff around, the more you degrades the SSD. Though if you have an SSD with a high endurance rating, e.g. 1200TBW, it will take 1200TB of file transfer to full degrade the drive, which is going to last quite a while.
Thanks for bringing up TBW. I do agree that's a very valid point, I probably should've mentioned that as well. At the end of the day 1200TB as one such example is a lot of data. That's going to take a lot of time to satisfy that, is it possible, yes but I think that still falls in the negligible metrics.
For example, I write a lot of data (mostly 4K footage and pictures) to my SSDs directly which is the equivalent of an SSD being used for caching. I very recently replaced my last computer (which is over 4 years old). My SSDs have been fine, even for computers I've had much longer, SSDs have been fine. If you check the reviews from people on most of the popular SSDs, most of them are very highly rated. You don't see many reviews saying my SSD just failed after X number of data written to it.
The question comes back to, will my SSD degrade for caching? Technically yes, then again technically everything degrades, your RAM, CPU, GPU, etc... but realistically it takes such a long time for this too happen, in my opinion I think it's negligible. You can even say that your HDD itself may fail before your SSD because your HDD actually has moving parts.
Even for example a heavy user writing 50TB of data a year, that's still going to last quite a while even for SSD's with a lower TBW rating.
Now if this was a flash drive or sd card, I would be much more concerned, I've had several of those failed just from being used in a dash cam.
I definitely appreciate your response and attention to detail and you are technically correct. I just think it's negligible from the big picture perspective.
@@landpet It very much depends on the TBW of the drive and for example my current 512GB SSD which is rated for 180TB TBW is currently at 57TB after less than a year... so it won't survive three years. Given the fact that I've already killed another 512GB SSD in this scenario before, I wouldn't call it negligible.
@@marcradermacher6244 então você é um usuário anormal!
Using primo cache is good, but configuring primo ramdisk and remapping browser cache folders also greatly improves internet browsing. just use mklink /d "source" "destination". copy the cache folder path, delete the source folder and then run mklink in the windows terminal and a shortcut to the ramdisk folder will be created. Softperfect ram disk is a good free alternative.
I'm pretty sure PrimoCache prevents shutdown/reboot until unwritten data is written to disk unless you click the option "restart anyways" or whatever Windows says when there's programs still running.
That is possible but I haven't tried it, I always advise against restarting either way.
This is a topic that should interest everyone. I use a NAS, and have an old, small SSD that might make a lot of difference. Thanks!
My level 2 cache is disabled, how can i enable it. I don't have a lot of RAM so i wanna use l2 cache.
Very nice and informative video. Kudos to your efforts in making such useful video!! I just have one question please. Can we use one ssd L2 cashe for multiple hdd or should we partition ssd to be used for more than one hdd.
Either way works, I think I would just use one SSD as L2 cache without partitioning it especially for write cache because it supports a larger capacity in it's not partitioned mode.
Great video. So is using the SSD just a "magic trick" like using the RAM? (meaning it looks like it's copied and it's usable, but it's still copying in the background?). If so, will it actually be done copying faster, or will it be the same amount of time?
Thanks! Yes except RAM is faster than SSDs typically. Yes it still takes the same amount of time to copy it in the background, hence it’s a magic trick
Thanks for making this easily digestible
Np
I think the SSD dying myth comes around from when they where first introduced. They where fast at the time but they didn't last long. I guess its one of those that stuck till now. New devices, New hardware and advancements in technology. People haven't got to worry bout SSD failures often these days.
Hello I wanted to ask before buying. Does the speed increase also between 2x SSD? 1 with Primo cache and the other destination just reading? I wanted to speed SSD for 8K editing footage and need it JUST to playback the footage. Thanks.
Hello! I need some help, although I haven't tried it out yet. I do plan on buying an SSD, but I want to try the RAM option for transferring my files.
Is it possible to use the RAM option for transferring files to an external hard drive or a flash drive?
My main drive is an HDD 1TB, and I want to transfer some files to an external/portable hard drive 2 TB.
My transferring speed is super SUPER slow (1-3 mb/s, sometimes even below that like 700 kb/s).
I have 24 GB of RAM, and it's usually sitting at 7 GB when idle.
So if I try the RAM option of Primocache, using 12 GB RAM, the same as your example,
And if I transfer my files using Cut and Paste from my main drive to the external hard drive,
Will the transferred files retain in my external hard drive after ejecting it safely (Or the flush/stop or remove cache)? Or will the files be lost?
I'm still quite confused about this, since your files were retained in your E drive, even after stopping or removing the cache.
Does LVL2Cache increase boot speed of an HDD? I have a Optane drive but unfortunately my system doesn't support Optane so I can't utilize it. I have it used as Readyboost Drive but ReadyBoost doesn't seem to do anything.
I haven't tried this but here is a link from primocache: www.romexsoftware.com/en-us/primo-cache/example-reduce-boot-time.html
Very very well explained video
Thank you
My hdd is not formatting in level 2 deletion what to do
Can you help, when I create a partition of my ssd to speed up the same ssd the l2 cache is disable. Did you no how to enable it. Thanks.
Hi !
Somehow for me didnt working the ram metod....i have 64 gigs of ram and i dedicate 45 gb for cache and i copying file to an external harddrive via usb 3.0 and the max speed is about 100 mb /s.
I set everything like you in the setup but its not working. Can you help me ? :)
Thank you for your video, but I need someone to advise on the best setting for my setup. I have a ASUS ProART90 with Intel(R) Core(TM) Í9-9900K CPU @ 3.60GHz
,Cores: 8,Threads: 16
L2 Cache: 2.05 MB
, L3 Cache: 16.38 MB. 64 GB Ram with NVIDIA Quadro P4000
, Video Memory: 4 GiB Video Memory Type: Unknown DAC Type: Integrated RAMDAC Current Resolution: 3840 x 1080 Current Refresh Rate: 143 Hz lntel(R)UHD Graphics 630 Video Memory: 1 GiB.
I have tried a few settings but seems like nothing make an improvement. Thanaks for any suggestions!
Thank you for the video! I have a question about the lifespan, I'm using "NVME" SSD for L2 Cache and I set it for read & write; so does it affect to its lifespan (tbw) ?
Technically it does but it’s minimal. Puts off SSD’s have a TBW rating of over 200TB. My Samsung 980 pro has a TBW of 1200TB. How much data do you plan on using? In my personal opinion, in most cases it’s negligible.
@@landpet for daily using you are right, but i want to use this programme for speeding up to my chia plots.
@@baybarskzltan2577 considering the money you spent...just dont, its a waste of money
Nice video, but I have one question, if the cache goes full is it replaced by new cache or should we use something to clean it?
Thanks! Cache is just used as temporary storage. It empties automatically as it writes to the actual storage place at the slower speeds
Is it ok to set "INFINITE" in Defer-write setting? because I realized that it helps to empty previous cache
Edit: I used all ram cache to my main "C" drive which is already SSD
When you mentioned to backup prior to making it L2 cache do you mean just the partition (if it's one) or also the entire main drive that partition belongs to?
It’s always safer to backup the whole drive and that’s what I recommend, with that said if you know what you’re doing, you only need to backup the partition that you are going to use to create the L2 cache since that’s the only section that will be erased.
great video! just one question. you mentioned at 5:49 that if you restart your computer then the file you just transferred to your drive will be gone/corrupted. Is this only due to the fact that you're using a USB drive or does this occur among other hard drives and sata drives in general? because I don't see a point in using RAM to speed up an HDD if the file is going to be corrupted/removed when the PC is booted after being shut down or restarted. I hope I'm misunderstanding here because it would defeat the purpose of using memory
Thanks!
When I mentioned that there, I meant if the cache is not emptied yet then you will lose the file. If the cache has been emptied out then you can restart or turn off the computer, the file will remain. This has nothing to do with what you're copying it to, like a USB drive or a HDD.
To add some more context:
(Very fast memory) RAM uses Volatile memory = when it loses power, it loses its data
(Slower memory compared to RAM) SSD, USB Flash Drive, HDD use non volatile memory = when it loses power, it retains the data
This is a simplification of how Primocache works to speed up your transfers:
Copying data from HDD1 to HDD2 actually copies the data from HDD1 to L1 Cache (RAM) to HDD2. The reason you see it copying so quickly is because it's copying to RAM first (that's not the final destination though). While it "appears" to have finished copying the data to HDD2 very quickly, it's not actually done just yet until the cache is emptied out. So even though the file appears to be on HDD2 and is usable (in my case, the video file I played), it's not actually done until the cache is free. At 5:49, what I mean is if you restart the computer at the time where the cache hasn't emptied out into HDD2 (meaning the files has not been fully transferred to HDD2) then you will lose the file. Now if you wait long enough, the cache will empty out and you will not lose the file, it will be on HDD2.
Long story short, check primocache software to see if there are any more data blocks to write or force it to flush out the cache. Once the cache is empty, feel free to restart or turn off the computer, it will be at HDD2 when you turn it back on.
@@landpet oh wow that makes so much more sense thank you for the response! so with that said, would it be wise to flush out the cache after each larger transfer and/or before shutting down your PC so it's forced to hurry up the ACTUAL transfer to the hard drive or wherever the targetted destination?
so in a nutshell this is what I'm getting: initialize the transfer -> files go through RAM -> "finishes" and shows up as available/transferred (but is actually still residing in the RAM until it's fully processed to the destination) -> flush out the cache to speed up the process to the destination to avoid corruption when losing power from shutting down.
Lastly, say I get a BSOD. Would that mess with the cache in my RAM or would it be okay since it didn't actually lose power?
@@Lucid_XP You're welcome. BSOD may cause issues for you, you don't necessarily have to click flush out to cache, it should be transferring in the background automatically. The only thing you need to do is in the even you are planning on shutting down/restarting/etc then I suggest you check if the cache is empty.
@@Lucid_XP Basically even though your transfer done but the cache on primecache not cleared yet, anything happen to your PC (e.g. BSOD, lost power or shut down by any mean) you will lost the data. If you planning to backup or copy huge hard drive, maybe 8TB or higher I wouldn't recommend using this program as it is to risky but if it is less than 1TB should be fine.
@@GonzoAzama good to know! and like landpet said, if I do end up needing to transfer that much, I'll be checking to make sure the cache is empty or flushing it accordingly
Thank you sir you just give me a new knowledge, subbed just now. But how about the speed when you unzip large files like 10-20 GB? got any speed difference?
Thanks for subbing! It should help assuming you have enough write cache.
So if we have L2 Storage as SSD - after file copy is completed is it necessary to flush to disk ?
This is not necesary as long as write-defer is not set to infinite.
subed already,thanks bro
thanks!
You keep saying level 2 cache but when you started, you were talking about Level 1. I don't understand.
Level 1 is using your RAM as cache. Level 2 is using your SSD as cache (this SSD will have its content erased so make sure your data is backed up)
Can PrimoCache cache an external USB HardDrive ? A lot of External Desktop Drives 8TB - 20TB are great for storing everything, but even at USB 3.0 speeds, are a bit slow... It would be great to use PrimoCache to Speed up the external Loads of data using L1 RAM and L2 SSD to speed it up.
It can but it's not recommended since you can potentially unplug those when in reality the cache hasn't emptied.
I have one question of which i couldnt find anywhere. whenever i use l2 cache defer write function and use a partition of my very fast samsung 980 pro ssd as l2 cache. it frequently looses health. i have bought this ssd one month ago. and its already looses 3% health being written 28.4TB. is it normal to loose health when using ssd as l2 cache? if so, should i be concerned and not use it primocache further?
It will loose health the more you use it but generally even with that it should last a long time. If it gets continually worse at a fast pace, i would disable it. I personally didn't experience much loss
Bro i deleted the cache and still its show my ram is compressed how can i fix this !
I'm not sure what you did, probably best to reach PrimoCache.
Not possible to use the cache method while maintain the files after reboot?
Not with level 1 cache (RAM), maybe possible with level 2 cache (SSD) but I haven't tried.
what will change ?
only the file transfer speed or also read and write?
(sorry for bad english)
Mostly the write speeds, the read speeds should increase as well assuming you set your options correctly and you use the same read files consistently. Speeding up read is more difficult because it needs to know what you use the most so it can store those files in the cache so it can speed it up.
If i'll copy something using this method to my pendrive and then eject it and use it on someone else pc... The file will be there or not ?
You have to wait until the cache is written, so if you're using this just to copy something and take out the pendrive quickly, then there's no point in doing this because you still have to wait for the cache to empty which will take the same time as if you were to copy to the pendrive without any of this caching with PrimoCache. This is more useful for permanent hard drives or something you plan on leaving plugged in for a while for the cache to empty.
Hello, thanks for the video. How big SSD drive is recommended for L2 cache? thx
Depends entirely on you, what are some average file sizes you plan on copying? Whatever size that is, I would put a little more than that. The more you can dedicate the better but if you’re not going to utilize it, it’s pointless.
@@landpet Thx, It can work with a maximum of 550 Gb L2 storage. I bought 1Tb, but it was wasted.
so how do we know if the transfer is done and its safe to restart etc.?
There’s a flush defer write data button and check to see if you’re deferred blocks are equal to 0
PrimoCache ftw
yup
How does it compare to ready boost?
I haven't used ready boost, don't know
hey i tested it it has 0 benefits becose its like you kopy it and its done but not done in background is still copping and i tested it with only copy normal and its faster then primocache so why i pay for this when its even slower then normal copy wtf?
If you use enough cache, it should speed up the copies however as you mentioned, it's more of an illusion than anything else. But it does help speed things up.
I need to upload file from 6TB HDD Capacity but i have backup file which is around 2.36 TB can i use this method to upload faster as the read will be faster
If you have more than the 2.36TB of cache it should help if you have less than it will be fast only at the beginning until the cache fills up
@@landpet Thank you for the reply. Are there any settings that I need to tweak? Just to let you know I am using 1 TB SSD for caching.
@@nansfilms2430 depends on you, are you using mainly for reading or writing or both, watching the original video (ruclips.net/video/6FT-xaKxj8A/видео.html) I go over all the settings. This is the FAQ video
Well that's a bummer. I guess it'd be just a placebo when it comes with removable flash drives.
Yeah it’s not really useful for external drives
Thanks
No problem
Me downloading porn all over my computer using ram so when my mom boots up the pc its no longer there. Super incognito mode!
Lol
it works on game loading time？
If the game is loaded constantly, it should get cached and load faster. There is also something very specific to game loading which is called RAMDISK (www.softperfect.com/products/ramdisk/) that converts your parts of your RAM to act like a hard drive, that will speed up your game loading significantly but it does require RAM.
@@landpet thanks,if I use SSD as cache to speed up the game loading, it will get that fast each time to run the game,even restart the PC ？ Will it delete the cache after shutdown the PC？
@@diyer1190 if it's level 2 cache, it should retain the cache
@@landpet thanks bro
@@landpet how much cache do you need for game ? L1 and l2 ?
Hello Bro,so i tried using this and it actually increased the file transfer speed..but here is a thing:
so it goes good at first(talking about copying files to usb or external HDD) but then in the middle,it eventually goes down to 0kb/s but again shoots up after a minute and starts working...
what's need to be done??
thanks in advance if u reply🤘🏻😂
Sounds like you don’t have enough cache, once the cache fills up, it slows down until the cache empties. Just increase the cache once it’s empty.
how do i increase it?? Should i just increase the alloted L2 cache partition which i made or something different needs to be done..
do i need to have an ssd? i only have hdd.
You can use RAM as well to speed it up but make sure you have more than enough RAM
so like i'm so lost but, can i speed up my wd easystore copy and paste speed without deleting all my stuff in my d drive my bad but i'm slow when it comes to explanations
Please don’t delete stuff, you’re not supposed to do that. This method uses an empty SSD and/or RAM to speed up slower drives. I don’t recommend this method for external drives since they can be unplugged easily when writing is happening in the background
@@landpet oh okay ty
I see how this increase write speed but how it can improve read speed like opening game?
If you use read cache and open the game several times, it should cache it and open it more quickly.
How to use primocache for faster C drive ?
Check this out: www.romexsoftware.com/en-us/primo-cache/example-reduce-boot-time.html
obrigado!
you're welcome!
Oh thanks
No problem!
Yuri's Revenge bro are you kidding me
I used to play that a while ago, one of the classics now
that is crazy that PrimoCache doesn't tell you it's still writing to the drive !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! should refuse to stop especially if it's doing something with C, absolutely insane. stay away i reckon.
Thank you.
It would be better if you mute the played video while you are talking.
Yup, I didn’t realize it was on when I was recording cause my speakers were off. I wrote a note on that part
Jaja that's why I keep my Minitool Partition Wizard 11.4 installation file in my cloud, 11 has a lot of functions that in 12 became only paid, and those are the most common used, the only paid on 11 are the copy image completely, cloning I think are the same and some others I don't really use.
So task that it's copied is an illusion. I would rather just put the window in the background and pretend it's done copying :)
That works also :)
I thibk you should look more at TBW (Total Bytes Written) to have an idea of longevity of SSD drives...Mecanical drive all have minimum 1-1,5 Millions hours MTBF also...And also good to point out that SSD liidespan or TBW is total bytes WRITTEN...not read. Depending on algoritmes used for caching and if someone is using this caching because PC is slow du to a lack of ram and it need to use swap file it may serioulsy impact any SSD lifespan. But you can gage it checking ur SSD model TBW and the average Primo cache is using daily..
2 more points...SSD lifespan can be stretched by leaving enought empty space in it for it to be able to shuffle writes around and not wear down specifics "data cells" by writing to them more often. In SSD the control software that come with them ofthen have an option for "Over PRovisioning" which reserve a percentage of the SSD drive that wont be used but to keep more free cell to shuffle around to differents cell the writes and make SSD last longer. **you can acheive simmilar result by juste keeping 10-20% free space that u wont use..when using an ssd that is let say 90% full....every write happening are on the SAME data cells as the 90% allready written dont change place...
you need more research you don;t know what you saying.LOL
I appreciate feedback but it would be nice to have some examples.