Two Monkeys Were Paid Unequally: Excerpt from Frans de Waal's TED Talk
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- Опубликовано: 3 апр 2013
- What happens when you pay two monkeys unequally? Watch what happens.
An excerpt from the TED Talk: "Frans de Waal: Moral behavior in animals." Watch the whole talk here: www.ted.com/talks/frans_de_waa... 
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i love how when he throws the cucumber his imediate reaction is to attempt to tear this box apart to kick the humans ass.
immediate reaction was to try and take the grape himself haha
He said where’s the manager?
That’s exactly what I thought too😂🤣😂
@@getintothewildwithjeffruma8777 the worst ever attack on a person was because of this look it up..
@@lottolinks6394 no, I don’t think I will.
I like how it tests the rock as if to say is my currency not genuine rock.
Abdisalam Farah lmfao
France did this right before the US went off the gold standard.
Ikr
i mean, that's genius!
he thinks "maybe my rock isn't as good as his rock that's why he gets grapes!"
1k
As funny and relatable as the cucumber monkey’s reaction is here, to me, the really interesting part is that the grape monkey never seems to question the fairness of this setup at all
Grape monkey is so busy enjoying the grapes, it probably doesn't even realize that the friend is getting stuck with cucumbers.
Also the monkeys mad at the scientist, not the other monkey.
Busy enjoying the fruit of his labor lol
As is the case for rich people who become more and more disconnected from reality the longer they are rich, deluding themselves that the world is a meritocracy.
It's like the Paul Piff monopoly experiment (also discussed in a Ted talk) where he had pairs of students play an obviously rigged game of monopoly where one player started out with more money and got to roll 2 dice instead of one, allowing them to move around the board faster. After the game, when the students who inevitably won were asked why they had won, they ALL talked about the smart moves they made and the strategies they employed. None of them acknowledged the head start and blatant advantages they were given.
i like how we're now referring to them as "grape monkey" and "cucumber monkey"
I love how the monkey was checking the rock like "Did i give her a defective one?"
You're laughing. He was given cucumber instead of grapes and you're laughing
😂😂
The laughing hurts even more.
And to think that this video is shown to an even higher intellect which marvels at the cruelty of the hairless primates towards the others
*"u think it's a joke hoooman??"*
Oh lighten up you depressing saps.
The other monkey received grapes after the experiment. People are laughing because there is hunour in comparing human behaviour to that of an animal's.
Scientifically proven: Grapes are tastier than cucumbers
ckbs1: no, the 1st monkey (cucumber monkey lol) hasn't tasted the grape yet so how does it prove that the grape is better tasting? the one and only reason 1st monkey is asking for grape is that he's doing the same work as the 2nd monkey and so everyone must get same reward (either cucumber or grapes). If 2nd monkey was given a cucumber, 1st monkey wouldn't care about the grapes. lol
@@albertaddai130981 just stfu and enjoy the joke
@@mrpndaman129 dumbass lol...hurt and ignorant buffoon. can't deal with facts and reasoning.
Albert You don’t laugh dude, you must have always been the last person that was “it” during a game of tag and then everyone ended the game lmao
@@r.i.p.actavis2599 facts hurts lolz
RIP Frans de Waal, and thank you for your many contributions to science
😞😞
What an amazing zoologist.
He was an evil animal abuser who enslaved animals in tiny prisons.
noooooooooo i wasn't aware. His books literally changed my life
@@DJSnafu How , can you explain please ?
I am amazed how intelligent they are. The one who gets the cucumber actually bangs it against the wall, testing it, because she thinks there must be something wrong with it for getting cucumber instead of grapes. So her rock must be lacking in quality according to her thoughts. Thats an insanely high level of intelligence for me. Crazy.
Being able to identify the inequality, being able to understand that this must have a cause, and trying to find it.
And im not sure that she tests it, maybe shes showing it to the doctor like "see, my stone is as good too, gimme grapes!"
Just awesome and crazy.
Similar to humans being passed for promotions, being paid less, or not being given a raise or bonus, some will attribute it to their own short coming. It's a mentality that is pervasive in America, the idea that you are in complete control of your destiny and not a monkey inside of a cage who will get cucumbers no matter what you do because that is the life you were born into while the monkey next to you will have to do nothing and always get grapes.
That’s a reach. No evidence they thought that deeply, they could have just been angry
I'm amazed at how intelligent you are.
Monkey cant speak english but is smarter than many people here cough blm
@@kx7500 It is not a "reach" it is a "hypothesis" and you are in the wrong place to be assuming anyone is "reaching." That being said, if the behavior wasn't at least in part focused on the rock itself, the monkey would only have grabbed the glass or thrown things like it already did. The rock was an extra factor and there is enough evidence to form a reasonable hypothesis that there is a consideration behavior happening.
But hey, tHaT's A ReACh.
And this is exactly why your employer doesn’t want you discussing your salary with your coworkers.
Dude I did this once 😭 I started a whole conversation with like 5 co workers and how much we get paid. They were all pissed cause we had the same job but we're getting paid differently
@@reynavillarreal3407, LOL
You get paid the salary you're willing to do the work for. If you're not willing to work for that salary, you either leave or demand a raise.
It's actually one of the simplest concepts that exists.
@@markedwards7721 I’ve found an incel in their natural habitat.
@@horseradish4046 Pretty simple huh? Is not like someone in desperate need of money, working a minimum wage job could be threatened to be replaced in a second by someone in their exact same situation willing to replace them. Because ultimately having some money is always better than having none.
It all fun and game until the monkey demand for revolution
Be interesting to see what would happen if each of the monkeys had a different phenotype. Also, this isn't "pay", because neither of the monkeys had to do any real work for it? It's a very poor experiment to recreate the real world of work with all the multitude of different factors. This is more akin to a experiment on prisoners being given food.
It all fun and game until the monkey rips your face off.
@@billybong7394 In behavioral studies it is SoP to try to test only one factor at a time.
@Jake Shattuck False!
@Jake Shattuck lol
I love how he pounds on the table, as if to say "I demand restitution!"
"Madam. I require satisfaction."
I remember a year into my company I got a raise from 38k to 60k. Obviously a tremendous jump as they initially didn’t know my skill set with no prior education or experience. A few months later we hired another person for my same role and they started at 85k and aren’t very good about 2 years in now. They do have a BS degree… and I’m working on mine now. The frustration was real
i have a PhD and am the only and I make significantly more than others and I work much less. i don't feel bad because i add value and its not my fault others are underpaid. knowing the system is rigged it is your responsibility to play the system, nobody will give you free lunch. game the system or you will be gamed.
@@krubbek5135 I hope English isn't your first language, otherwise I doubt you have a PhD with such awful grammar.
It's true that you didn't create this system, and that you've found a way to game it to your benefit.
But I'd caution you that this benefit is short term. In the long term, your coworkers who are getting the shaft are going to dislike you and won't have your back. And why should they? You don't have theirs, and you're making that clear.
@@krubbek5135 Bingo. This is where I'm at. I am actually wrapping up my degree in a few months... I rather play the stupid game then sit around and complain about how unfair it is
Don't take the v@ccine trust in the LORD ALMIGHTY and if you already taken it please pray to GOD about it because it is a deception!!
Employers are well aware of this, why do you think they insist you don’t tell your coworkers how much you get paid?
Exactly, which is why you should let your coworkers know how much you're making. You could have agreed to get a pay of 15$ an hour while someone working just as long as you doing the same work is making 16$ an hour, but because you both are afraid of telling each other what you're making, you end up getting cheated and not knowing it.
@@_IcyCube_ except its not cheating... if you agree to work at a wage then thats that. No one is forcing you to do it its not soviet Russia if you feel you can sell your labor for more then go do it no one is stopping you. Plus this line of thought completely ignores the biggest reason for wage dissparity which is competency and reliability. If you and i both work at the same job for a year and you show up everyday and allways do a good job but i call out and do an average job and then our reviews go around we both come up for raises and you get a dollar and i dont then is it unfair that we have a different wage?
Of course this can be used to take advantage of people like only giving white employees raises simply because theyre white or men simply because theyre men without giving consideration to the quality of their work this is illegal and has serious consequences if proven to be true. But to assume that all wage disparities are results of inherit biases or discrimination is not only false but dangerous misinformation.
@@tylerhughes5420 dude brought up 15 dollars for a reason.. he must be one of THOSE people.
@@ThaMagnaCarta you mean those people that are about to force the automation thats gonna eliminate thier job all together? Lol i dont know if he is he may just be misinformed i try not to judge and offer information.
My wife kept insisting I go to the company we sub-contracted with and demand more money. My gut instinct said not to. We were making very, very good money and I didn’t want to jeopardize that. We didn’t know what the others sub-contractors were making but I was ok with the gamble. She was sure we were getting “cheated” so after six months of this I brought it up. It was embarrassing. I originally negotiated the contract with us being paid at the top of the industry standard. They were ok to keep paying it because we were their best sub. Our renegotiation meeting was overheard by another sub who pitched a fit. It didn’t matter that we did a better job and had no returns to fix mistakes or damage. They didn’t bring the other subs to our pay scale, nay, nay! WE got lowered to everyone else’s pay. I should have followed my instincts!!! It cost us more than $300k over the course of three years. If you’re doing good and are happy shut up and earn your pay. Too many employees waste their employers time and money complaining to their co-workers who really don’t want to hear their whining! After the Crash of ‘07-‘08 we were the last subs contract to be canceled. We stayed their best and it paid off in the end. It just would have been nice to have had the extra pile cash .💰
The most interesting in these behaviors to me is when the betrayed one checks the stone against the wall before handing it back. That means he formulated a hypothesis on the reason why he didn‘t get the grape, then he checked up on it. That is intelligence!
So weird that we just test with these monkeys. To them we are unpredictable complete overseeing beings that they can’t even begin to understand
And then he realized that humans are cold heartless monsters
@@biggils8894 Science. We eat animals for food, I’d much rather be given a cucumber unfairly than be eaten
he questioned himself rather than the authority
@@biggils8894 Indeed, it is strange that we have to learn that empathy has biological origins in this way. Be assured that the experiment was reversed and the shunned monkey got some justice, but among humans? A different story.
I just love the personality of the monkey. The way he winds up the throw and slams his hand against the table is hilarious.
RIP Frans de Waal (1948-2024). Thank you for all the insights you gave us, and all the love you spread.
He was an animal abuser you nutter
So the lesson for all CEOs is: Pay everyone shitty and nobody will complain.
You just hit the nail on the head
Or pay everyone based on the value they provide for the company.. and you'll have everyone happy working at their best. And the unskilled or lazy workers will find a job they are good at.
That approach seems to work for Amazon!
@@ok-jl7qo Ikr, imagine expecting to not be handed more than your work is worth, what a great evil capitalism is!
/s
we are getting there.
I wonder if they did an experiment on which both monkeys are given the same reward but one monkey is given more task than the other one.
+nodinitiative Just read up on communism.
You came from a communist country?
+I wow, have to watch it, man this gave me goosebumps and warmed my heart...
they eventually all slow down and quit.. that is the lib communist socialist model.. what you just saw was the NORMAL, i want to get paid for hard work model that is normal in all creatures and capitalism
they already did this experiment in the real world. they call it "men"
I work in a nursing home as a CNA (Nursing assistant) and get paid slightly above minimum wage. The place I work is in desperate need of CNAs to care for the patients, so they brought in registry CNAs to fill in. These registry CNAs we’re getting between $26-$28 an hour while the regular employees get paid $16. Needless to say, we asked for equal pay in which they replied, “you agreed to your current pay when you signed the contract.” Well guess what? Many of the CNAs quit and the Nursing home was filled with registry CNAs who were not accustom to the policy while getting paid quite nicely (if they just paid their employees the same rate, they wouldn’t need registry CNAs). The place has not fully recover and their 5* rating dropped to a 2. I won’t be surprise if the place close down.
And you didn't respect the contract you had signed.
@@thomasjohansson5748you are allowed to quit, no contract being broken.
@@thomasjohansson5748 Uh, American labor law is that an employment contract can be terminated by either side for any legal reason.
@@thomasjohansson5748and? Its not illegal to quit lmao
@thomasjohansson5748
Really? I find this comment disingenuous. There is no way you would have continued working there with that wide of a disparity so why would you expect others to do so. It was a management decision and they made the wrong decision and the patients suffered. I don’t exactly understand why the people getting paid more could at least do the level of work that the lower paid employees were capable of. Even if they quit and went to another job, paying exactly the same amount of money because that’s what the industry was paying that outcome would be better than staying at the same job, knowing that someone doing the same work as you were getting paid double amount of money that you were getting paid especially after asking for an increase in pay. That’s intolerable because of one’s sense of fairness has been violated.
It’s so amazing seeing how the left capuchin expressed complex emotions like doubt, confusion, anger, jealousy, rebellious, while the right capuchin showed almost no emotions.
@someartguy4177
Honestly, did the one receiving the grape even notice that the other one was not receiving a grape also. Perhaps I missed the part where it noticed. I thought it was just so thrilled and getting grapes. They didn’t notice. I just assumed they both were still getting the same treat.
@@misskarmen You hit bullseye. The one getting the grapes thought the other was getting them too and was disconnected from reality.
That's exactly what's happening today with wealthy people that barely do anything calling Tigers lazy and even laying off employees for "not doing enough" when they already running 24/7 left and right
I love how it hit the rock to the wall to test if there's something wrong about that rock which caused it given the cucumber not grape.
😂😂😂
That's the pure innocence, i guess he thought may be its because of his fault.
He had enough intellect to self evaluate and think if he is doing it wrong, Many people do not have that trait.
@@jdsaravaiya6468 we should all return to monke
He should have tested the rock on the caregiver instead of the wall 🤣
Zero reaction from the lab tech. She’s a pro.
No soul
@@mayankify No Pain
She’s use to it. 😏
P A I N She stays neutral so that her reactions don't add an extra variable to the experiment.
No shit, but how u stay neutral with something like that? I was rofl'ing over here.
Yes, it’s fascinating watching your daily life in a 3 min video. If you have a boss, you are one of those monkeys, doesn’t matter if you get grapes or cucumbers. You have a master, telling you what to do to get a treat.
Do you think being a business owner is really any different? Instead of being ruled by your employer, you are ruled by your customers and shareholders.
Do you see all these billion dollar companies going woke to be considered brand-safe and advertiser friendly?
@@neptuneai8168 Having an employer doesn't mean that you don't have to also satisfy clients. I'm self employed, nobody below me, nobody above me, it really cuts the bullshit. I still have to deal with clients, but it 's on my own terms.
"The lion cannot protect himself from traps, and the fox cannot defend himself from wolves. One must therefore be a fox to recognize traps, and a lion to frighten wolves." - Niccolo Machiavelli
I love it when he Shakes the bar 2:00 I want justice!
Eric Mane sounds like the type of guy who would willingly become a slave to the government any day.
@Eric Mane I agree, you are a fucking fruit cake
Good job there wasn't three of them ..they could have formed a Union.
He wants to leave the country!
@Dick Butt what did this Eric say? He deleted his comment before I saw the context
"WHAT IS THIS INJUSTICE?!?!? DONT FUCK WITH ME, SARAH!!"
Lol!
water drinker
I'm willing to bet that except some stress, animals used in sociologic experiments (no biology or chemistry) have an easier and more confortable life than most of us and wouldn't want to live in the wilds.
Lol!
I love how he throws it and shakes the cage
"Dam you woman!!"
Exactly. Hilarious. "Don't MAKE me get out of this cage, Linda. This just got PERSONAL." God. I just hope the poor monkey doesn't call HR...
Man I was a senior photographer/videographer and manager at my last job. I worked extra hours, and worked so hard. I don’t want to sound arrogant, but I worked harder than the average person - I did my absolute best at everything I did.
Someone got hired for an admin role - basic admin that requires no training or experience. They were on 30k more than me.
I was so furious, I stopped caring about my job and quit soon after. I managed to land myself a new job doing the same thing, I took a minor pay cut - but the director chose to raise the wages of all his other senior staff, as my wage was higher than theirs by about 10k-15k.
I immediately accepted the role when he told me that because it shows he treats people fairly.
My old workplace was toxic with an abusive boss, but it was a good lesson for me not to obsess over my work - and not waste time at places where you’re treated unfairly,
I'm always relieved to hear stories about people who _take action_ and improve their situation when they are treated unfairly, rather than complain about it with a smirk and pretend like they don't have any other option than to stay.
Don't take the v@ccine trust in the LORD ALMIGHTY and if you already taken it please pray to GOD about it because it is a deception!!!!
JESUS is coming soon and JESUS is the only way to salvation accept JESUS as your LORD and SAVIOR today!!!.!.
Please don't accept the digit@l currency or the Artifici@l intelligence (ai) system that is coming, it is against GOD. who have ears let him hear.!!!
@@usmh Some people really don't have options though. Best not to judge.
"Stop playin Linda, fucking give me the grape"
+The Oily Boily Guy Lol. "You lucky this panel is here Linda"
+swagforcheapcom - "Know your privilege, Linda"
u think this is funny?? there ia a placed monkey island where thousands of monkeys roam. I need to go there and kick those motherfuckers across the field. If you do hit 1 of them 100 come at u only if u show fear tho stand yoir ground and they stop chasing u like cowards. In china they are allover like squirells. I wish i was there with a full auto paintball gun or bbgun everyday id just open my window and targrt practice.... who needs xbox or clubbing or bars or leaving the house when all u need is a full auto bbgun or roman candles and all you need is to open a window set some food on the floor and its pure heaven!!!!!!!! THEY ARE NOT ANIMALS OR HUMANS SO THEY MUST BE DEMONS.
YOU ARE AN A-HOLE WITH JUNKY BRAIN!
She does look like Linda.
"Why do I have to wear the mask for this experiment?"
Guy with eyepatch: "Just take my word for it."
GeneralCane Lmao at least one good joke in the comments 😂
Your profile pic enhances the comedy of your comment
Lol had me on this one
Lmfao
😂😂😂
This is truly fascinating, I would love to know if they waited a while then switched monkeys to see what behavior parallels there were. The testing so quickly of the rock for worth was surprising. Either this shows amazing intelligence or we should consider decent intelligence more common than we consider it now, maybe raise OUR game.
Now lets talk about the human willing to calmly pass a rock to a CLEARLY agitated, very cute, but very strong little being, just one foot away that has twice demonstrated the ability to throw things with accuracy reaching target attainment.
Why do you think she was wearing the shield? It was probably for more than just blocking germs.
Then u get monkey WW1
Please don't accept the digit@l currency or the Artifici@l intelligence (ai) system that is coming, it is against GOD. who have ears let him hear.
JESUS is coming soon and JESUS is the only way to salvation accept JESUS as your LORD and SAVIOR today!
Don't take the v@ccine trust in the LORD ALMIGHTY and if you already taken it please pray to GOD about it because it is a deception!
I love how the crowd is laughing uncontrollably not knowing we are the monkeys. Dedicating our lives for what are equivalent to cucumbers so a small group of humans can enjoy their grapes.
@T S Even worse are the deplorables who’ve been trained to vote for the GQP operatives who’re owned by Big Biz and the One %,
Yea bro they totally don’t know. Not like they’re watching a presentation on psychology or anything.
They laugh, not out of mockery, but because they understand and relate to the monkey’s feelings.
Speak for yourself my man.
Facts
I think the most sad part was when the monkey tapped the rock on the wall. It reminded me of a human, not getting paid or treated fairly, and asking what is he doing wrong.
_Ktonk!_ Yes... a normal rock. Nothing wrong with it. A normal, _hard_ rock. Much harder than a cucumber, human...
This comment!
@Efcon no, the "most sad part" is the monkey thinking that handing a rock that doesn't belong to them through a hole in their cage to someone is somehow worth a cucumber, let alone a grape.
@@thooper4380 the sad part is your life
@@KumoGoesFast which part of their life is sad? The part where they decided to troll a communist YT comment, or the part where they Alabama hot pocketed your mom?
To be honest, they were both overpaid.
Thats may be, but it wont make the left one less pissed off.
The left one was clearly underpaid, a cucumber is not a valid calorie source for a monkey, it isn't even a calorie source at all, it is just fiber and water with some minerals. Of course a hungry monkey gets pissed off and wants actual calorically dense food. This isn't analogous to workers making wages as the commies want it to be.
@@freedoniaofficial1189 Some 'scientists' at present dont know the difference between a relation and a causal relation.
I shit you not.
Yeah. Everybody knows handing someone a rock is only worth a piece of kale at most. 🤓
Because you are getting peanuts?
Rest in peace mr. De Waal
This is probably the most deserving RUclips clip of all time.
I did my internship with a psychiatrist that had a monkey & it went everywhere with him, including the office. I did this little trick where I had a banana chip up my sleeve and I would rub my hands, clap them together and make the chip appear. I then gave it to the monkey.
After doing this for a while it became an every morning ritual.
When other people in the office were out of treats, the monkey understood they don't have one to give to him. Well, the first morning I showed up with no banana chip, he grabbed my hands and rubbed them together, then made my hands clap, then he checked for a banana chip.
No chip. He then did the motions with his hands as if telling me to do it. I did it but still no chip. He got angry at me. He didn't understand I didn't have a chip to give him because, over time, he believed I could make one appear at will. He didn't understand I didn't have any, he just thought I was being mean. lol I used my lunch hour to go buy banana chips.
I don’t blame you for getting some banana chips on your lunch, I hope that made the monkey happy... did he try to hurt you when he was angry?
Thanks for sharing the story
@@mikeedwards4436 He never bit me. It was kind of funny when he was irritated with you because he picked up the finger point thing.
When Todo (the monkey) was in trouble the Dr. would point at him and say your a bad boy.
Todo copied that gesture and if he was mildly angry, or irritated with someone, he would point and shake his finger at you. It was hilarious but if you laughed he realized you were laughing at him and then he would go into a fit.
If he was really angry, he would just pitch a fit. He would jump around, shake things, scream, sometimes he would slap the desk or table in front of you.
Even well behaved monkeys pitch a fit on occasion, I mean, they are monkeys. The Dr. called it a "proper monkey fit". Give him a few mins and throw raisins in the room.
He would calm down and spend a few mins hunting the raisins scattered in the room and he was good as new. lol I sure loved that little guy but I don't have the time to take care of one.
shananagans5 Heck well behaved humans pitch a fit time to time lol. I really appreciate your story, that’s so cool, I’d love to be around one if I knew it was safe. I live in Georgia, north of Atlanta. I have never seen one out side Atlanta zoo. They have so many qualities that no other animal has. The are so human like. They are clearly half human like in their manner and body and half wild animal. Were you in a school in the states? It’s funny that they like raisins and grapes over cucumbers. My youngest child has a Guinea pig and I usually feed him cucumbers and I tried grapes and he loves them. Lol, not near as smart as a monkey but good food is good food.
Awww, hahaha. I am so glad you went and honored your part of the bargain and got some more banana chips! :)
shananagans5 who's training who lol
This is so true. When I finally got a job I was so grateful to have an income I didn’t care how much, just grateful for that regular paycheck. However the moment I found out a few of the other new recruits were making more than me I suddenly felt inferior and betrayed.
Yeah it's relative really if you have 10 million and all your friends have 10 billion you'll feel bad and inferior.
Maybe you should've tried harder and negotiated for a better wage during the interview and hiring phase. You settled and were defeated, and for that you ARE inferior.. Also maybe those other recruits were more experienced for the job and had more time in the field. Maybe they had a better education. There are a lot of different things that companies look at for hiring and pay. We're not going to pay someone off the street with no experience the same that we'll pay for years of prior experience, training, or education (depending on the job)
It's on you to negotiate for a better wage during the interview and if you don't do that the hiring manager isn't going to just offer more than base pay.
@@user-sz2px8pv3f To be clear I’ve rationalized the reasoning for it it in my head. I’m not here to pass blame. I was just referring my primal instinctive yearning for equality and how I related to our friend in the video.
Grapeful*
@@coltukkor That's the problem. Nobodies equal to anyone and people need to stop thinking everyone's equal and should be awarded equally. Awards should be based on merits, effort, experience, and qualifications.
Love how the producer chose to call out the guy sleeping at @1:11.
The more fascinating part is the reaction of the audience to unfair treatment. One can only assume there are some relatively intelligent people laughing so emphatically. Humanity.....really.
He actually stopped to TEST the rock “first”..before giving it to her...to assure he’d get a grape.
Damn, even MONKEYS have an innate sense of Quality Control. That speaks more volumes than the actual test.
Sheer genius.
This says a lot about our society
Cant be chinese
Monkeys are better ...humans silently suffer injustice.
What was the purpose of testing the rock?
@@Chris-yw2zp to see that the monkey was willing to show that the rock will be intact after smashing it, just like what humans do in tech demos/tests to ensure that the product was in great condition while being taped before selling it to people
Imagine that, the one who gets more doesnt mind the other one getting less.
@overgrow00 read a book
Charles Grguras that was the point.
Nobody cares about inequality, unless they are affected by it, negatively.
@@christhis9597 um....you mean beside an entire generation now who aren't actually effected by the inequalities they whinge about it endlessly on social media but still want victim points anyways? I'm pretty sure not every sjw running around on the very expensive day-care centers we laughingly call "colleges" or "universities" nowadays are not personally negatively effected by every inequality they complain about but oh, boy do they just care so much about said "inequalities".
@@christhis9597 no shit moron this is obvious to everyone.
They might need to experience the misfortune of not getting a grape first before showing empathy towards the one who doesn't get a grape. Stage 2 is a go!
I'd love to see an experiment where both monkeys received the same amount and type of food, but one of the monkeys had to perform the task multiple times to get the reward. Or if you gave each monkey 2-3 levels of tasks that had corresponding levels of rewards.
I'd love to see animal testing made illegal, with only tests that pass very high humane standards being allowed to continue.
@@danh9317 Ummm well I agree with banning animal testing for cosmetics and the like, but what does that have to do with this behavioral experiment?
I do understand the point you are making here, but ultimately what would these experiments do to further the knowledge and are they really necessary?
Because we already know that capuchin monkeys have a sense of fairness and unfairness through these experiments, we would not need an additional experiment that confirms this sense but uses a more complex setup than this one. The monkeys would show the same reaction, they would get aggitated and we'd have the same result as in the first experiment without finding something new.
@@jayer. It's about as enlightening as an experiment that shows the innate desire for fairness. In this experiment, Left Monkey realizes that he's getting unequal reward for the same work and gets upset. Right Monkey is completely fine with this new system.
Well, what if Right Monkey has to complete the task three times in order to get cucumber? Does Right Monkey get upset at the increased workload? What if Right Monkey has to complete the task three times but gets a grape afterwards? Does Left Monkey get upset with the reward?
What happens when Right Monkey has to complete a task that Left Monkey hasn't been trained to do? Does Left Monkey only react to the reward, without considering the training or difficulty of the task? IMO, equal reward for equal work is only half the issue, and the other half is more indicative of the real world, where all but a few people are performing tasks that are different from us.
Don't take the v@ccine trust in the LORD ALMIGHTY and if you already taken it please pray to GOD about it because it is a deception!!!!
This experiment represents only half of the concept. The complimentary experiment should be asking the first monkey to deliver 2 rocks for a red grape and then giving a red grape to the second monkey for delivering just one rock. I wonder how soon or even if the first monkey would realize they're getting paid only half of what the second monkey is getting paid. Good stuff indeed.
I like the way it checks the second stone to see if it's real. pretty smart.
Smarter than most of humans
Good catch. As if he wanted to confirm it and say, “Yes it’s a rock, look lady, are you as dumb as this rock? Give me a grape”. I heard that in one of these studies they put the chimps together and the one that only got cucumbers beat up the one that got grapes. Jealousy. Very human like emotions.
@@DonaldDump2024 dogs do that too lol
Drasang yea smarter than yo dumbass. Only a dumbass will know one.
How would the monkey even be able to tell it's fake from a simple tap on the wall? Second inequity is not as simple as "jealousy". If a mofos eating better than me constantly when we both put in the same work and I get upset it's not because Im "jealous", I'm fucking pissed theirs inequality.
Thats why you never know a payment of other staff members in company
Or it could be an example of how equal work deserves equal pay!
This is a tactic to prevent unions. People need to know what their colleagues make for the same work
Only the company benefits from this lack of knowledge. If pay was open, then inequality wouldn't be allowed to exist because we'd all go ape shit cucumber throwing crazy about it and have evidence to back it up.
most jobs have equal pay, it's the higher positions, commission based, money (banks, stocks etc) and media jobs where pay becomes different depending on what you bring to the table.
tns226 then why not just ask if you want to know
My granddaughter sent me this when she was in college. I watch it every now and then when I need a good laugh……
I’d be interested in a longer term experiment that makes it more difficult for one monkey to get a grape compared to another.
I.e. the disadvantaged monkey can either give 1 rock now for 1 cucumber or give 4 rocks for 1 grape while the advantaged monkey is reversed.
I love how you can see the exact moment he decides "Nah, I'm not putting up with this."
The slamming his hand on the floor was definitely " gimme my damn grape!"
Its funny to see a woman enabling unequal pay to female monkyes hahahaha
right?
@@anonb0 Triggered
Don't take the v@ccine trust in the LORD ALMIGHTY and if you already taken it please pray to GOD about it because it is a deception!!!!
This may be the same reason babies throw their food - they think they're getting screwed when they see you eat waffles and syrup while they get flavorless mush.
Ummmmm
For a while my niece wouldn't eat if you were looking at her. We were out at a restaurant and we all happened to be looking at her right before she took a bite of her food. She noticed we were all looking when she had the food in her mouth about to take a bite and stopped.....then threw the food across the table.
@@danielwalker26LOL
@@danielwalker26 LMAO WTF
You are what you eat. And babies are an equivalent to flavorless mush. So, tell that baby to fuck off.
This video makes me smile
The thought that entered my mind was that there is a species out there that views us as those monkeys and I find that so fascinating.
No need for a species, bosses from huge companies most probably just viewed their workers at the lower levels as monkeys and can easily be replaceable.
Yes, they are called devils and they control the people of this world through spiritual means. The only way out is through faith in Jesus Christ.
God in the flesh, who lived the perfect life and died for our sins, taking our punishment for sin on himself. He rose again the third day and appeared to 500 eye witnesses who had nothing to gain from lying.
Salvation is by Grace through faith and is a free Gift. Not of works, lest any man should boast.
.... You doing okay? @@yevernotice9408
It started as simple behavioral research. 1000 years later Charlton Heston discovers the half-buried Statue of Liberty on the beach.
lmao good one
😂😂😂
Imagine he discovered 2 girls 1 cup on the internet 1000 years from now..
A cool book idea
LOL nice joke
I really hope that monkey was given his due grapes :(
LoveSpinShow ikrrr i wish they showed that
Why ? Many groups of humans owed their due grapes/ you protesting for them. That’s life
Chivy T i dont give a fuck abt other humans that monkey cute tho bro better get a grape
@Slavic Soldier lmao
@Annie Springer You want to make your case for that? There's more to being owed than arbitrarily declaring it. The next stage of cooperation would be to hand the rock to the right and then share the grapes to the left. Of course, the monkey on the right probably thinks the one on the left is just less skilled and handing over rocks than he is due to innate laziness. It's strange how those who get the most accuse those with the least of entitlement when, logically, it has to be the other way around.
I think about this video alot as I get older. Amazing.
hilarious until you realize you’re work life is no different
Apparently scientists found out that the second monkey thinks that he received grapes because he's really good at giving back rocks
😂😂😂😂😂
@@ibrahimkhatib1554 and the updated version of this is bussiness man tells the success stories !
@Paulo Eusebio gg EZ
You think rich people make more because people randomly give them money? Or do they have more, because people buy their products?
@@MrCmon113 they were given more grapes from the start, if you can understand the analogy
Love how this talk occurred 8 years ago atleast and people are still surprised when people are leaving jobs and refusing careers that aren't properly compensated
People are leaving jobs and refusing uncompensated careers?
There's always someone in the world that doesn't even have a cucumber. I bet he plays the Rick game
Your replacements are crossing the border by the millions as we speak.
@@jomama3804 thank god, my whole town is white. We don't have anyone who's willing to put in a day's work without crying like a bitch about how other people don't have it hard enough
@@zed739 why do you think white countries are the best countries?
This is why most companies discourage employees from discussing their wages. It breeds animosity and ingratitude.
I had first thought your avatar was an eyelash ...
This is by far the funniest video on RUclips 😄Brilliant, Dr. Frans de Waal.
I've read about these experiments. Apparently there were even cases where the favored monkey refused the grapes when he saw that the other monkey was only getting cucumber.
Communist monkey
For fear of getting torn apart by the other monkey lol
A sign of patriotism
@@chasedaniels7273 Empathy, solidarity, certainly nothing to do with patriotism.
@@cartobsidian4667 they already said that at first they have both cucumber and they enjoyed it
Love how the other one is just lavishly enjoying its grapes and flexing 😂
Lol its loving the special VIP treats!
paul smith The 1% with the tax cut! etc... The favoured group always choose to be ignorant about the entire system of unfairness and blatant discrimination!
@overgrow00 BS, you talk about tax cuts when most of them don't even pay taxes. They have loophles to avoid taxes. They are also favored in other ways like Fed money printing, govt regulations, etc.
@overgrow00 the rich need to be taxed way more, especially billionaires, through things like capital gains tax. And regulations are all that's stopping corporations and the rich from completely butt fucking everyone more than they do already. Look up historical tax rates from the 20th Century and see how downhill we've gone. Fuck Reagan and trickle down economics.
Lavish actually means sharing what you can with others. So no that monkey was not living lavishly
Me at the start thinking "why does she have to wear that face guard?"
I understand now
RIP @ 75 Frans de Waals 😢
1:56 I like how he aims first before throwing
He would be an gamer monkey
@@vibrane8800 or join military
@@jeetm9603 monkey with gun
what will he shoot
He Gotta hit his target
Another throw was thrown right back into the cucumber bowl
The monkeys are the staffs, the person who feed them is the CEO, and those peoples sitting in the room laughing at them are the shareholders
Except humans have choice of career... You aren't actually locked in by anyone, you can even leave the country if you want. Live on a sail boat. It's your choice.
ok
@@monopalle5768 yeah but its the same scenario in every workplace, the only escape from the system is to stop working or make your own company
@@mranonyms5901 Exactly
Holy crap this video really brought the sad little commies out of their holes...
I haven't laughed that hard in a longgg time! I just watched it like 5 times!!! and still laughing!! Thanks for sharing!
excellent experiment
"Fuck off wit your cucumbers, gimmie the grape"
WHT?
XD
Hope it was freed from its cage
Did one monkey only work 8 hours while the other would stay over? Did one monkey get pregnant and take time off after the pregnancy? Was one monkey willing work manually labor job that needed heavy lifting and put them in harms way? Just asking because the point you are trying to make is woman and men don't make the same.
Uramichi it was used for cosmetics testing after this, then put down with a hammer after that
First monkey shaking the cage be like:
"B!tch, I swear to God if you don't give me a grape..."
Hahahahahaha
Truly...after schooling every ignorant comment on this page...truly, my first response was your last responders comment...hahahahahahaha. I just want so badly to send this to Mr. ...... ,( my boss) and show him...and Then tell him Never to talk to his own daughter the way he talks to her when handing me my own well earned paycheck. Truly, I feel like saying..."Bitch, I swear to God if you dont stop talking /threatening your own daughter ...treating her like a cage monkey,...every time I get paid-that is so unnecessary... thank you Kid Pelagro for telling it
Need more
The laughter truly is sickening. This is horrific anguish and everyone just lel'd at it.
Employers knows this!... this is why they don’t want employees sharing pay information with one another 😐
Deshaun Livefit that is very true!!!!!
Yeah, that makes sense
Yup it promotes sexism and racism in the work place
@@emilyl3952 no, it promotes cost saving. racism or sexism is cucumber monkey giving name to specific form of inequality while it has nothing to do with them. how? pay level depends on your capacity to negotiate not made up idea that emplozers rule by some unknown hierarch of pay based on the explanations the cucumber monkey does.
@@theartemisgland its not cost saving if all the money they saved goes directly to the employers bank
When they get back to the group the one who got grapes is getting whooped.
Climbaholic 😂😂
dant 2 c.
ca2 b
Capuchins are egalitarianists. Capitalists are not. It's that simple. Anybody who argues is brainwashed.
Climbaholic yep😂 that grape eating bitch is getting his ass whooped for cooperating.
Climbaholic yeah, he's what the protestors would call a "scab"
Really hope people will take this in consideration, with the way the world is headed now..
Reminds me of my childhood.
I can totally relate. At my previous job, I was getting "cucumbers" for a more complex job than others who got grapes, were doing. Thankfully, I got an offer from another company, for "grapes".
or maybe u were so bad at your job that u dont even realize how difficult the others' jobs were and u thought u were doing more
Wouldn't you rather work for money instead?
@@nuttybar9 lol good one
you can just sleep with the boss and get a honeydew instead of grapes.
@@ChrisM-qo1jc Often it just takes looking like how the employer cunt doesnt like
This is the vid the monkeys are going to show in the 2122 revolution
BYE THIS HAS ME LAUGHING
omg this is so accurate. on that note I wished for both monkeys to get grapes and be released.
👀 please spare my descendants
Love your videos Xabio
Or huge impulse to make Planet of Apes
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Great Video! Love it!
SO GOOD
"YE CAN KEEP YE BLOODEY KHUKOOMBER, *AMANDA* !!"
Kay Stephan 😂
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Scottish money, alright then lmao
xD
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I loke how the woman wears protection for her face... she knew that “something“ would be thrown at her ^^
Just like a leftist.
She should be happy that there was no poo nearby~
Its because of the possibility of rock being thrown at her.. Thats why her face is still facing him when She feeds other capuchin
I loke that too.
Sorry I had to.
I mean it's just general lab health and safety, especially dealing with animals and food at the same time
2-4 year old humans show the exact same behavior. However it is far harder to tell what is more valuable to them.
A girl gets a doll, a boy gets an action figure. They both feel treated unfair.
You get the boy (new pair) a doll too and he shows the exact same behavior as the monkey.
this says alot
2022:
“Why are you quitting?”
“BECAUSE YOU TREAT ME LIKE A CUCUMBER MONKEY!”
Lol
1:59 "BITCH THAT AIN'T FAIR GIVE ME SOME GRAPE"
This video never gets old, make me laugh every time.
The most amazing thing is that this was funded as research.
" I'm mad as hell , and I'm not going to take this anymore"
*Everybody gangsta until the other monkey gets a grape...*
Give me cucumber, I dial the crew's number. 🗡️
What would be interesting to know is how did the monkey receiving grapes knew A) It was receiving a sweeter bargain or B) not getting jealous that it wasn't receiving a cucumber.
Hysterically funny!! Best video today!!!
There was also a study of larger groups of chimps where actual coins were given as a reward for tasks. The coins could be traded for various fruits, etc. There were approximately 30 in the study evenly divided between males and females who were allowed to roam freely in the compound. After a couple weeks a certain female had acquired most of the coins from the males who were looking a bit underfed.
So what does that imply? The female chimp prostituted herself to all the males? I wonder what all the tasks were and what did each task paid and such.
@@NoobieSnake she invested in the monkey stock market following the cucumber bubble popping and made a fortune
@@NoobieSnake jack and Jill went up the hill both with a buck and a quarter, Jill came down with $2.50 is what he is implying.
@@jadeddragon4254 Oh I see, just a game of betting and Jill won then. Cool.
@@midnattssol8329 That’s what I thought, thanks.
2:21 did she really just land it back in the cucumber container 10/10
+hexagon sun KOBE!
Nah, the container would have moved.
It actually hits her clothing if you watch closely, her sleeve shuffles slightly when it get hit.
+hexagon sun when kobe is tested
I have lived and worked with wolves for over thirty years. They count up to twelve and are aware of equality, greater and less with larger numbers. They are extremely aware of fairness in rewards, payment. It is sort of okay if a higher rank wolf gets paid some more but very bad if a lower rank wolf gets paid more.
It is interesting how the humans laugh when faced with evidence that other animals understand fairness, and attempt to break free of the cage in which they are being experimented upon.
I don’t think it proves they understand fairness as much as they understand getting fucked over.
It’s not like grape monkey gave much of a fuck about the plight of cucumber monkey
@@OrysB-po1fy Expression of compassion is variable among humans, but that doesn't preclude the ability to understand fairness.
In this situation, where the test subjects are without agency to impact the reward of the other, it becomes about individual success.
Recognizing self and other receiving disparate rewards for identical tasks is identification of inequity. Otherwise, cucumbers would be accepted.
Understanding getting fucked over can only come through understanding fairness, as they are essentially the same thing.
@@Nullpersona No they are not. They’re merely understanding greed. We want what others have. I have watched two bears fishing. Both bears put in the work to fish, one bear got a fish and the other didn’t. And do you know what the bear that didn’t have a fish did? It got in a fight with the bear that did have a fish trying to take the fish. Wasn’t any comprehension of fairness and simply the bear wanting what the other bear had and it tried to take it. There is no evidence this has anything to do with them seeing things as fair and them simply wanting the best for themselves regardless. That’s not wanting things fair that’s just wanting the best. Which is why the other monkey doesn’t give a fuck. Trying to conflate compassion with fairness when you can’t even prove this is a comprehension of fairness and not simply the monkey wanting the more prized food source for its self out of pure greed. Animals see different results for equal work all the time in the real world. Like the two bears not every hunt is successful for the effort put in. How could animals that live in an unfair environment possibly care or know what fairness is? Nature was never fair to begin with, what could fairness possibly benefit them in the actual cruel world? Even pack animals, herd animals there are disparities among members. Some members are more valuable than others. That’s just reality.
@OrysB-po1fy There are myriad examples of animals sharing their food with other animals, especially when they have more than enough for themselves.
Similar to your bear story, humans who have worked, but not eaten, or have food of insufficient qualities, will sometimes try to take better food from others.
Suffering and death promote success over fairness, at the level of survival. One being better rewarded than another for a similar effort is unfair, not sharing is greed.
Individuals can go a step beyond recognizing unfairness, and seek to compensate through compassion, though it is not mandatory to the understanding of fairness.
None of that addresses the unfairness of sentient animals being held captive and experimented upon. Nor does it take note of the hypocritical laughter at unfairness.
you do understand they dont share it for the kindness of their heart right? they do it to get something in return, when they share food they will get something in return in the future, so that is totally different@@Nullpersona
Lets face it. They both are paid actors, thats all.
Yes but one was paid more than the other.
Swan salty?
thats what i tough
Swan how about you make one yourself if it makes you cry so much
@@Jiteko thank you mate.
2:05 "I DEMAND TO SPEAK WITH THE MANAGER! THIS TREATMENT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE!!"
The rabbit hole goes deeper than that
At 2:23 she looks up to see if there is a way to remove the plastic wall. Crazy smart. She is not happy.