@@gomperhooblet Vitamin supplements are a monumental waste of money. Just eat a healthy balanced diet. When I see a podcaster with a strong science background accept supplement sponsorship money, I am even more disgusted. Check with your doctor before taking any supplements. I personally take vitamin D supplements in moderate amounts because I don't get enough sunlight.
@@bringitbex I chewed gum yesterday for the first time in years. It ought to rank as the most stressful day of my life but I was either cam or frozen. Not sure which. I recall Sir Alex Ferguson on the touchline always chewing gum. I’m thinking it is sublimation for all that hyperactivity. Why not try it as an experiment? (II used Xylitol gum which may be good for your teeth and sugar free. Not 100% because I rarely bother to check facts)
YES! I thought I was alone in this. I’ll go to a party with so much joy and enthusiasm and by the time I’ve greeted everyone, my battery is already draining. This happened Saturday night. As soon as I noticed people weren’t paying attention I snuck out. Then I felt terrible because it felt so rude.
I really enjoyed this episode. It was really interesting to see Paul’s point of view on ADHD. The only thing I struggled with was the comment about medication. Myself and my daughter are on medication. Before meds I was close to getting divorced and my business was going down the pan. My daughter was doing poorly at school and her GCSE’s predictions weren’t great. Now we are both taking ADHD medication my marriage is stronger than ever, my business is booming and my daughter is being predicted grades A-C (in old money 😉). Medication does have its place with ADHD. It’s not for everyone but those who do take it shouldn’t feel shame for taking it or asking for it for their child.
Never, ever ever feel you need to apologise for taking meds. When it works, it works, & therefore, it’s right for you, or for whomever it works for as long as you (& them) are sincere, genuine & coming from an authentic place. Anyone & everyone can lie, & we all do, but with the gift of courage we can learn to be authentic…
Can I ask, what those medicines are? I’m a transplant patient with I suspect ADHD and would like to check if those medicines are suitable for transplant patients. Thankyou.
@@MultiRedbugFirst line medication treatment is one of two types of psychostimulants which effectively convert to amphetamine in the body. It tends to work in 8/10 people with adhd in helping to manage symptoms. There are others if that first line doesn't work which are non-stimulants. The big thing is heart rate and blood pressure. These can be affected and if they are high they might not be suitable.
I was diagnosed 4 months ago after a 2 year wait. Hopefully tritation will start soon and I can access medication. I can really relate to your post. Im 36 and love my partner and children but they will never see the best of me in my current condition. I'm desperate for help and will try anything.
The way Dr Mine has described how ADHD has impacted her life and potentially has made how she is today rings so true with my own. I am 36 and was diagnosed in 2023. The drive for correcting social injustice, chronic anxiety, going from zero to a million in seconds, is just like me. I honestly thought that was just a part of my personality and the trauma I've had as a child, but as she said CPTSD and ADHD can overlap. Thank you so much for this talk, I thoroughly enjoyed it.
I'm loving how careful Paul is being about the topics he's willing to discuss. He knows it's going to be broadcast to the world, and there's some things he doesn't want us to know about. Much respect 🙏
Paul is a very very thoughtful man. He has very fine control over his feelings. Saw it at work with his Gone Fishing programme. Even when he's really irritated he doesn't let rip. You know he's irritated but that's it.
I think that's more to do with where the mics are set up. Personally I found Paul to be using comedy as a coping mechanism throughout while the other two were trying to be a bit more serious and have obviously put a lot of thought into the way they are as people, opposed to Paul who has more of a 'it is what it is' attitude
As a 41 year old woman struggling with addiction, & JUST diagnosed with combined ADHD,I've hated myself & my life for my whole life, and I'm exhausted. I'm so thankful I've got a diagnosis & an explanation as to why I've ruined my life & relationships. This was so uncomfortable to watch, I had to turn it off- forcing a diagnosison Paul was weird
💜💜💜 I was in therapy first and really struggling (traumatraumatrauma), no self worth at all, when I stumbled across an expert talking about (ME!) ADHD in adults and just cried. All of the “stupid, lazy, undisciplined “ was explained and I felt such relief. Then grief of course, because I was 58 when I learned about it. We aren’t bad, we’re just drawn that way!
@@NoLefTurnUnStoned. 🫂 I'm finding it's getting better with time (therapy) and knowledge. I am an absolute information junky. Are you feeling any more stable yet?
My son died of a drug overdose. He had mental health difficulties for about 5 years (admitted to hospital). He was waiting for an ADHD assessment. Once I looked into it, I was screened, assessed and diagnosed in my 50s. I have struggled with symptoms and enjoyed chasing and getting the dopermine hits all my life. ADHD behaviours have got me in trouble all my life, causing secondary anxiety related to not fitting in, not being able to conform, not being 'normal'. I have achieved in life, regardless of these traits, but it's been bloody hard - have done this with one arm tied behind my back, effectively... ADHD is an invisible disability. People don't see the constant internal battle to focus, conform, to achieve. It's just not a level playing field... Soo muchh more understanding n support is needed...
Sorry to hear this. I had a similar upbringing to you although yours sounds more difficult. I would say though ADHD doesnt actually exist. Emotional disregulation is a result of trauma. We are medically misdiagnosing and medicating. Combining this with the latest online social media trend and the current me me victim generation is creating a fake mental health timebomb. The same thing happened with the over diagnosing of autism spectrum.
I feel that Paul is amazing putting up with his wife. She is very lucky to have him. She doesn’t like ADHD, but then excuses her own behaviour by accusing him of it. Paul is very calm and polite & she just seems to be bruising for a fight, garnering attention. I do feel ADHD is a very overused term. She keeps telling him his behaviour is a problem but she is great. I could not imagine living with this woman. I think he has to have his own company on a regular basis to be able to cope with her. He doesn’t put her down but she puts him down with ease. Good luck Paul. you need it, you’re a very lovely person despite your wife. ♥️
Didn't think I was going to like this, but I luvd it! Paul & his Mrs are legend! The host was very low key, asked the right questions and gave them plenty of space. Just Brilliant!💯👏💐
As much as it sounds like Dr Conkbayir is correct in recognising the negative impact of her childhood on her challenges, I do disagree with her on the idea that it was her upbringing and lack of co-regulation that *caused* her ADHD, it sounds very much like her parents BOTH probably had ADHD and that is why her parents were so chaotic and dysfunctional. I would agree that it sounds like she probably has CPTSD and that there is a lot of cross over between CPTSD and ADHDers but possibly in large part due to them having had undiagnosed ADHDers for parents
I think Paul Whitehouse has probably benefitted greatly from the privilige of being famous in Comedy for such a large part of his adulthood so has probably been afforded more support or accomodation for his Executive Dysfunction and certain ADHD traits. He sounds quite resistant to the idea of being an ADHDer, which may also be the age and generation. I also wonder if he might be Autistic too which would perhaps be part of the reason his ADHD is a bit more muted than his wife's version.
As a person with adhd, the childhood ptsd and trauma, are added to the problem. To refute the genetic predisposition, that is foundational to the problem, you are throwing out the baby with the bath water.
@Rachaelworld audhd is common, and one can mask the other. 30 to 80 percent of children with autism, have adhd, and 20 to 50 percent of children with adhd, have autism.
I think she was tryng to explain that she doesnt see a definitive line between the two distinctions, nuture vs nature in regards to ADHD. She considers it a possible blending of the two factors, one building on the other. At its core the underlying ADHD function is there, and disregulation is perhaps magnified more in life when trauma is a big factor than for someone growing up with a less stressed upbringing. The presentation of varied traits to the condition are maybe more significant and difficult to manage in less ideal environments. I feel she tried to touch on the likelihood that at least one of her parents may have been ADHD too allowing consideration of genetics being a factor, but this beacame again the acknowledgement that she doesnt like to say one way or the other because it could be both, in a mix of traits, trauma and training. That was my take on her view on that matter.
@Naki87 it's a very human thing to define and understand. To put a face to the name and vice-a-versa. But I think it can get to the point where the person can be defined by that alone in the wrong kind of eyes and mindset. Adhd should be integrated into your being and accepted not fetishism. It can be hell and isolating and made to feel " wrong " somehow. It's all about the approach, attitude and perspective. Clinical knowledge helps some to understand and create some tolerance for both NT and ADHD people. Everyone is different accept it don't mourn it.
What an amazing interview, I’m 46 and on the waiting list for an ADHD diagnosis. I feel my life would have been so much easier with help from an early age. I never thought my difficulties were caused by ADHD, it was thanks to my autistic son. I trained as a staff nurse, the anxiety helped me train, but equally the anxiety has stopped me working. What I love about my adhd is the fact that I’m very intuitive. It’s my super power 😂😂
I love how this talk between three very insightful people reflects my constant inner struggle with my ADHD. It is all a big conflict in my head sometimes. ADHD can make you so creative, make you really fly high, yet it crashes you down with shame, RSD, addiction issues (for me, it has always been eating disorders since primary school), ... it makes you a walking contradiction. I love how Paul Whitehouse says: well, you two are successful in life... yes, that is right. I am successful, too: two very nice children (one with ADHD, one without), a good marriage, a wonderful job as a teacher... yet, I often feel like the biggest loser in life, really. I try to unlearn this a bit to be more positive, because actually life is good for me. But it is hard to see when you have ADHD, especially when you are diagnosed late in life.
Watching and listening to this robust but lovely exchange between Paul and Dr Mine (and Alex) is lovely to watch. It also kind of represents what my mind went through (internally) when recently realising (in my late 40s) that I tick every single box for ADHD and have done for many, many years.
It's actually really refreshing to watch your shows. Seeing and hearing from people that are relatable. Tics are funny things. My son was diagnosed with tourettes he makes noises involuntary movements accents etc. Only when what I thought in this family was normal *our normal) did I realise I constantly had tics. Alot of them. I was diagnosed late in life after many disasters . This show is really comforting knowing I'm not alone and hearing from others with the same differences you really have built and strengthened the confidence in the community 💯💪 Thank you keep up the excellent work you do 😁
I’m really glad that ADHD is being celebrated nowadays and, as an ADHDer myself, this feels liberating. HOWEVER I think that the point of a psychiatric diagnosis is to acknowledge that ADHD causes unwanted, persistent and pervasive disruptions to a person’s life and across multiple domains of their life too such as work, family life, education etc. I have suffered greatly not just because there was no recognition or suggestion of ADHD while I was growing up but mostly because I struggle hugely with emotional dysregulation, burnout, sensory overload, anxiety… the list goes on and on. I feel really uneasy about suggesting someone else has ADHD unless they feel **themselves** that their possible “symptoms” or behaviours are having a detrimental impact on their life. If there is no negative impact on a person’s life, assigning labels of ADHD to ‘possible behaviours’ can minimise the suffering it causes and cause damage to those who really suffer.
What an awkward discussion. I don't think its particularly helpful to brand people as ADHD just because they like humming or singing. We all have coping mechanisms after all.
Doctors categorise problematic traits in order to effectively treat them. That is necessary. People throwing round the term and labeling people that are happy with who they are and whose symptoms aren't affecting their lives negatively is not helpful.
Someone should take the clip of him saying how he's always calm and never loses his temper, and cut it to a montage of him losing his rag with Bob in Gone Fishing
here's my thing with skeptics... If medication fixes something, then how can it be fake? If you get diagnosed with ADHD, get given a medication, and that medication causes a reduction in your symptoms, then how can the disorder be "fake" That's like saying to people with cancer that the tumor was caused by their lack of willpower, and if chemo therapy happens to help then it's "just a coincidence or lazy way out"
The trouble you're having there is that you're trying to explain a science problem, to a person who isn't scientific. They say things like "I don't believe in ADHD" as if they even know what that means. Halfwits over estimating their brain.
"If medication fixes something"Well if medication like say MDMA makes a " Normal" person feel happy it doesn't necessarily mean they are depressed and since when has medicine "fixed" physiological conditions ? It's more than the big Pharma has sold us the lie that they have the solution to people problems."To quote Krishnamurti "It i is no measure of good health to Be well adjusted to a sick world " no sane person who would seek good health in this world surely must feel outside of it to remain sane.
My issue is medicating kids at age from six which affects development. Due to back log 90% are given scripts from adult psychiatrist. A major sensory issue and time we treated accordingly. Not to keep narrow minded mainstream happy. I could go on... the most end up developing ocd and schizo effective disorders because of it
Good gravy Paul, you have patience. My tick is getting interrupted ( maybe coming from a large family ) when trying to make a succinct point. It makes me just shut up. So well done for your patience and tolerance for soldiering on in the face of being interrupted a lot of the time you opened your mouth. Not trolling. Not judging. It is what it is. I would have been sitting there very quietly as a result.
As a school teacher, I beg the government to please provide funding for all the additional needs children have. We are put in impossible situations where we have to help these children (which we want to do) but the demands placed on us are astronomical because we just cannot do it alone. There is no money for special needs anymore and yet we are more aware of them than ever before.
The way Mine describes her RSD is what I was trying to explain to a friend and work colleague. I even used the phrase “I’m a nice person so don’t deserve it.” I never imagine it or make it up. I have a heightened sense of it. It was podcasts like this that have made me seek a private diagnosis. I don’t lose things either, but I display a lot of other traits. I have submitted my evidence and I am awaiting the appt over the next few weeks. I think I need to know why the last 45 years of my life has been so difficult. Why my working life is plagued by difficulties and why I have had so many jobs and been through so many disciplinaries due to not thinking or behaving the way I am expected to. My only fear now is if I don’t get diagnosed as since investing so much time learning about it, everything that has happened over the last 45 years makes total sense. Freaking out about missing events has lost me many friends too. I absolutely believe I have autism and adhd. It also runs in my family. I really relate to Mine.
Thanks for a great discussion :) ADHD and ASD both have a strong genetic component. The fact that her parents were so chaotic and struggled to self-regulate apart from drugs and alcohol only demonstrates this further. Nuture doesn't trigger ADHD, nuture triggers PTSD and CTPSD. Genetics triggers ADHD. Sending Dr Conkbayair a hug.
Hasnt it been proven since the 70's that genes dont determine your health or experience of life? Yes it has, check out Bruce Lipton. Genes are a blueprint, they respond to the environment. There is no gene for ADHD.
My son does guttural throat singing, yodelling and all manner of vocal tics as stims. Personally I relate to so much of this, especially phobia, exhaustion and avoidance around social interactions. I’ve also been sacked off for not being able to keep up with other people on social plans. They weren’t really friends if they couldn’t see how ill I felt.
I like Paul here. The other two are fairly reasonable but they’re way too obsessed with finding fancy labels for everything imo. Sometimes pathologising isn’t necessary.
3:55 firmly believing that her ADHD is due to nurture is kinda funny if you look at how she described her parents as if they didn't have signs of neurodiversity themselves. Seems a lot like nature to me.
I was very resistant to the nuture over nature idea, especially as you say, her parents possibly were. The patterns do pass down through families, decades, generations, centuries of chaotic upbringings can create adhd offspring. I'm now more comfortable with the idea it's both. Also there's epigenetics, experience and environment alter your genes, so you will pass things on genetically that you weren't born with, rather you developed.
I managed to trap myself in the porch numerous times (pulling the door shut before realising I had, (put keys down, forgot to pick keys up ) until I moved at 50. Now I have a house where you physically have to lock the house up. Yeah.
@stampandscrap7494 just yesterday I explained (again) to my husband why we use the back door and not the front! He simply cannot be relied upon to close doors, cupboards, drawers ...
I grew up in a very peaceful house and ended up living with someone from an extremely chaotic one. It was utterly exhausting. Any time there wasn't something crazy happening they'd start to perceive some slight and go off. I can understand how they get on by living in separate houses because the person with trauma can have a lot of positive aspects but not be easy deal with 24/7.
First time I've come across this channel and half way through this episode. Wow. So much of Dr Mine could be me. (Aware of my own CPTSD to this point but little else.) It's such a relief to know that other people experience the same traits, for want of a better word.
Adhd came first and it drives the chase for dopamine.. craving the quick fix of instant gratification, whether that may be drugs , alcohol , social media , sex, we as adhders have brains which are wired to do so.
@@TheDavveponken Yes - that's the point @bringitbex is making. The learned behaviour is that an ADHD brain will chase dopamine, and the brain learns to partake in certain behaviours that provide dopamine quickly. The specific behaviour is then adapted as a more regular behaviour, then a habit, and then potentially an addiction.
@@Peachy-KeenJewelsOptional there's no proof of this hypothesis. Addiction is "simply" a learnt behaviour of avoidance that then also manifests to varying degree as physical dependance - which then drives it. It has little to nothing to do with dopamin. Dopamin is probably misuderstood anyway. Adhd, as are most psychiatric disorders, is based on pseudoscience which aim to validate its assumption by way of leveraging its very assumption to prove it. It's a tautological construct of an ideology.
@@TheDavveponken If a lack of dopamine drives behaviour, then it can lead to people seeking it out, no? I'm not writing a thesis here - I'm writing a RUclips comment. If one's body is deficit in something, and that something makes you feel better when you get it, then your body will crave it, no? And that affects behaviour. Simple example: I'm thirsty and hungry as a child but only have access to limited water and food daily. When I grow up, the behaviour I might adapt is to hoard foodstuffs, or over-indulge when it's unlimited. That's not an "addiction" but it is driving behaviour, no? You say psychiatric disorders are pseudoscience, but who are you? What are your credentials? As far as I know, you're a pseudoscientist who likes to pretend to know more than you actually do. What studies have you carried out on dopamine and its effects on human behaviour?
I'm gonna be 60 this November, and I'd been correctly diagnosed with MDD w/anxiety. A few months ago, I was diagnosed as ADHD and Sensitivity Processing Disorder w/hyper-sensitivity. (btw, it's my 35 y. o. son, who is also ADHD & is high functioning on the ASD spectrum. I am so angry that nobody did anything to help me when I was a kid and a teenager, that I got bullied for being smart and different and for just *existing*.
@@rejectionisprotection4448 Yes I believe that they do live separately, and they have a daughter. I also think that her body language and the way she looks at him speaks volumes.
The coffee thing is interesting. I'm exactly the same and would drink strong coffee and go to sleep. I quit all caffeine recently and I have a lot more energy. I never considered ADHD, but my daughter has a diagnosis and she's convinced I have it. I may or may not but I see it as a blessing, not a curse.
Poor Paul, looks anxious whenever she speaks, she sounds addicted to creating noise or chaos. 'What's your problem'? sounds like she wants an argument, when he seems so mild mannered and reasonable. No wonder he hums, to keep himself going. Trouble and Strife sums her up.
By the way,I'm a huge fan of Paul Whitehouse. I can't help but see him doing a version of that old fast show skit... "Me?the well known and respected comedian and performer Paul Whitehouse? With ADHD? Haaaardly!"😂
So interesting about the accent thing .. we moved to Newcastle when I was 8 and myself and my brother developed thick Geordie accents extremely quickly
I really enjoyed this. I got to see it early this morning as im in oz. All the comments are interesting. I would love to see a sketch with Mine being the phycologist and Paul being a client. ..
I'm 68, recently diagnosed ADHD. Interestingly, through some research of my own I've learnt many people with fibromyalgia have ADHD, I've had fibro for over 20 years! It makes sense when you think of the burn out.
No Dear, some of us have more problems with executive function than we do with emotional regulation. I’m not denying the emotional dysregulation, I have it sometimes, but executive function is a daily, hourly struggle.
everyone struggles with this, hate to tell you. Especially if you are stressed or anxious - which ofc often is the case with "adhd". Adhd is stress and anxiety, nothing else.
Bob and Paul are vert funny, best bit when Paul kept asking Bob standing behind him if he was ok, Bob then fell backwards as if he'd just had a heart attack.
Validation feels like real Life. That is something many of us do without for our whole lives. To walk away and breath after decades was amazing. There is hope and possibilities away from the manipulations. Be you, know you are worthy. You deserve to do your best to pursue a healthy life.
I’m undiagnosed adhd, 60 yrs old , it has had a negative affect on my life from a young age, got took out of mainstream school at 13, went to a government funded school for the maladjusted, we’re fiddling went on , sexual abuse and physical, I’d love to sue the government education department, but when Ive contacted solicitors, they never get back to me , plod on is the answer, cheers shane uk 🇬🇧
Related to so much with what was discussed about how AHD manifests, the French goodbye, road rage, When Mine talked about not liking a silent and calm environment, that she likes noise, her food things, her rigidity and some of Mine's habits are synonymous with potential autism too, I actually realised after obtaining my ADHD diagnosis a few years back, as well as having CPTSD and other co-morbidities, and as there were still other things I felt odd, I also got the autism diagnosis, not as much as ADHD, but my theory is Neurodivergence is a huge spectrum where autism is always part of ADHD and vice versa.
Correlation is not causation. Yes, many ADHDers also struggle with addiction and often come from traumatic backgrounds but addiction and trauma does not cause the ADHD. Scientific studies have proven that ADHD is, excepting brain trauma causation, a genetic disorder, a medical disorder that can be helped with medication. I feel sorry and frustrated that she doesn’t understand this. It is easy information to come by.
it is not scientifically sound. There's no real proof of that and there's no real knowledge how "meds" "work". They ruined my life in the span of days. There's nothing wrong with these peoples brains and we should stop pushing detrimental drugs on people already suffering from emotional trauma, stress and anxiety. Really think about it. It doesn't make sense that the majority taking these questionnaires qualify for "adhd" and that the definitions are so vague and general to human experience - especially one during stress. It is "just" stress and anxiety. It is out of laziness that someone is diagnosed "adhd" rather than adverse childhood and social anxiety associated with performance. It is a big fraud. It is a chemical lobotomy. The majority stop taking their drugs within a year.
My sense is this person spends a lot of her waking time outside her winder of emotional tolerance due to trauma and therefor saying it is ADHD is tricky as this is also a classic C-pTSD response
@@findlay1arches I went right to choose via Psychiatry-UK its still threw the NHS and quicker .I find the adhd uk men with adhd support group on Facebook very helpful too .
In my experience I feel ASD and ADHD makes you more likely to have CPTSD . After EMDR to help with Trauma/CPTSD I found I could distinguish more the differences. Often I think CPTSD can layer ontop . I do think a lot more study is needed on this. This is only my own personal experience and observation. Really hope more research will be done on this possible correlation.
Interesting to hear that addiction may arise as a coping mechanism, I've wondered about this recently. The RSD too. Very interesting. However, I agree that we shouldn't start diagnosing others based on a single trait, whistling/singing/humming are pretty normal as humans. We've used this to entertain ourselves and others through human history.
52 and a tik tok vid took me down a rabbit hole. At the bottom of the hole, lay my missing instruction booklet. Press the yellow button for crazed impulse spending with 50 watches in a few months. Blue button for a new hobby which dies instantly without reason. Button B for ODD, standing up to authoritarian chip shop owners who refuse to let me select my own fish, telling them I am banned for life. Button H for hyperfocus, knocking out a 70%+ 4000 word essay in 10 hours.
If only we could keep the hyperfocus switched on and directed at tasks which are in the correct order of prioritisation, we could change the world, instead of looking like Jim Royle, with periodic outbursts of the Incredible Hulk.
Whistling?... I've always done that... Only to realise how rare it is... Just another small realisation along my journey into ADHD in remembering how irritating this has been to my girlfriends and partners over the years.... Not that I care 😅
It's funny how judgemental half the comments are, considering they were probably called lazy underachievers most of their lives. I was, too. Of course, at the time, i was very, very drunk.
If people are functioning well in their life despite having ADHD they shouldn’t be pressured to get diagnosed. It’s only a problem if it has a negative impact on their life.
Absolutely. Creative, productive people seem to have independently found their way of self-regulating without the label. My son has found his diagnosis useful for understanding which thought processes cause his periodic depression and anxiety. So, now he's better able to sort that out himself. I already know that if I had a diagnosis for ADHD/ ASD, my biggest question would be "How will this help me give up the ciggies?". I think the most important "label" to understand is introversion versus extroversion. Our family is very big on crafts. So we cope with boredom. An extrovert with these conditions is more likely to be bouncing off the walls trying to get a reaction from other people. That's probably going to make them, and the people around them, pretty miserable.
In my family it wasn’t nurture, my brother came into the world in a rage and everyone walked the floor with him at night when he was a baby. He lived very fast and always looking for a high… he was a pest but everyone loved him. he was smart but bored easily and very impulsive. He was successful but had an addictive personality and a functioning alcoholic. He took his life out of the blue at 30. it was a shock. I do think it was an impulsive decision and not planned. I wished they had recognised SDHD In the 80’s.
My son died of a drug overdose dose aged 21. He never slept as a baby / child, was frequently bored, needed constant mental stimulation, easily angered/ frustrated, as very self-critical, lacked confidence, with accompanying self-loathing. He was incredibly capable, but struggled badly with his mental health (sectioned 2 or 3 time), prescribed meds didn't help and he tried to manage his mood / insomnia with drugs. To this day, we don't know if he took his life or ot was an accident - he was intelligent enough to know that fentanyl was a killer... He was put on a waiting list for an ADHD assessment the day he died. Autism, ADHD, any 'difference' is so related to mental distress. So many suffer so badly, unseen, often undiagnosed, too often misunderstood, masking, blamed, traumatised, desparing... 💔
Here's a thought. Can we get rid of a diagnosis of ADHD and just acknowledge Trauma it's effects, manifestation s and that some meds originally for used with adhd can be helpful. That way we'd not be sitting with 2yr waiting lists for assessments!
At last a common sense comment. would say though ADHD, OCD etc doesnt actually exist. These traits still exist and are real but they are not conditions themselves. Emotional disregulation is a result of trauma. We are medically misdiagnosing and medicating. Combining this with the latest online social media trend and the current me me victim generation is creating a fake mental health timebomb. The same thing happened with the over diagnosing of autism spectrum. People are suffering from trauma not something called ADHD.
How about you ask someone who actually takes ADHD medicine like me. It made a huge difference in my life and my school work speaks for its self the difference between grades and course work before I was being treated and during medicated treatment is night and day it’s so obvious.
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@@gomperhooblet Vitamin supplements are a monumental waste of money. Just eat a healthy balanced diet. When I see a podcaster with a strong science background accept supplement sponsorship money, I am even more disgusted. Check with your doctor before taking any supplements. I personally take vitamin D supplements in moderate amounts because I don't get enough sunlight.
Internal hyperactivity has been me my whole life , 20,000 tabs going off in my brain at all times and buzzing with anxiety.
@@bringitbex I chewed gum yesterday for the first time in years.
It ought to rank as the most stressful day of my life but I was either cam or frozen. Not sure which.
I recall Sir Alex Ferguson on the touchline always chewing gum. I’m thinking it is sublimation for all that hyperactivity.
Why not try it as an experiment?
(II used Xylitol gum which may be good for your teeth and sugar free. Not 100% because I rarely bother to check facts)
@@johnpatterson6448 I found that chewing gum helps slightly with concentration.
Quit caffeine.
@@spaceengineer1452I’m worse without caffeine! Way worse!
Curious to know, does that change at all when walking in the countryside?
YES! I thought I was alone in this. I’ll go to a party with so much joy and enthusiasm and by the time I’ve greeted everyone, my battery is already draining. This happened Saturday night. As soon as I noticed people weren’t paying attention I snuck out. Then I felt terrible because it felt so rude.
Same here
I don't enjoy any gatherings such as parties, because everyone just seems so fake!!
Hide in the kitchen like the rest of the good folks ;-)
I really enjoyed this episode. It was really interesting to see Paul’s point of view on ADHD.
The only thing I struggled with was the comment about medication. Myself and my daughter are on medication. Before meds I was close to getting divorced and my business was going down the pan. My daughter was doing poorly at school and her GCSE’s predictions weren’t great. Now we are both taking ADHD medication my marriage is stronger than ever, my business is booming and my daughter is being predicted grades A-C (in old money 😉). Medication does have its place with ADHD. It’s not for everyone but those who do take it shouldn’t feel shame for taking it or asking for it for their child.
Well done to you both !!
Never, ever ever feel you need to apologise for taking meds.
When it works, it works, & therefore, it’s right for you, or for whomever it works for as long as you (& them) are sincere, genuine & coming from an authentic place. Anyone & everyone can lie, & we all do, but with the gift of courage we can learn to be authentic…
Can I ask, what those medicines are? I’m a transplant patient with I suspect ADHD and would like to check if those medicines are suitable for transplant patients. Thankyou.
@@MultiRedbugFirst line medication treatment is one of two types of psychostimulants which effectively convert to amphetamine in the body. It tends to work in 8/10 people with adhd in helping to manage symptoms. There are others if that first line doesn't work which are non-stimulants. The big thing is heart rate and blood pressure. These can be affected and if they are high they might not be suitable.
I was diagnosed 4 months ago after a 2 year wait. Hopefully tritation will start soon and I can access medication. I can really relate to your post. Im 36 and love my partner and children but they will never see the best of me in my current condition. I'm desperate for help and will try anything.
The way Dr Mine has described how ADHD has impacted her life and potentially has made how she is today rings so true with my own.
I am 36 and was diagnosed in 2023.
The drive for correcting social injustice, chronic anxiety, going from zero to a million in seconds, is just like me.
I honestly thought that was just a part of my personality and the trauma I've had as a child, but as she said CPTSD and ADHD can overlap.
Thank you so much for this talk, I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Aah i didn't know that desire to correct injustices was part of it
Certainly i fit into that
I'm loving how careful Paul is being about the topics he's willing to discuss. He knows it's going to be broadcast to the world, and there's some things he doesn't want us to know about. Much respect 🙏
Paul is a very very thoughtful man. He has very fine control over his feelings. Saw it at work with his Gone Fishing programme. Even when he's really irritated he doesn't let rip. You know he's irritated but that's it.
@@SierraNovemberKilo Nicely put. Thanks for the reply.
They couldn't have sat further apart... I don't wish to minimise the horrible trauma she's suffered, but the man is saint to cope with her behaviour.
I think that's more to do with where the mics are set up. Personally I found Paul to be using comedy as a coping mechanism throughout while the other two were trying to be a bit more serious and have obviously put a lot of thought into the way they are as people, opposed to Paul who has more of a 'it is what it is' attitude
As a 41 year old woman struggling with addiction, & JUST diagnosed with combined ADHD,I've hated myself & my life for my whole life, and I'm exhausted. I'm so thankful I've got a diagnosis & an explanation as to why I've ruined my life & relationships. This was so uncomfortable to watch, I had to turn it off- forcing a diagnosison Paul was weird
💜💜💜 I was in therapy first and really struggling (traumatraumatrauma), no self worth at all, when I stumbled across an expert talking about (ME!) ADHD in adults and just cried. All of the “stupid, lazy, undisciplined “ was explained and I felt such relief. Then grief of course, because I was 58 when I learned about it. We aren’t bad, we’re just drawn that way!
Also, I didn’t finish either, it just felt so toxic.
@@Queenread82
I’m 58 and in much the same boat as you!
@@NoLefTurnUnStoned. 🫂 I'm finding it's getting better with time (therapy) and knowledge. I am an absolute information junky. Are you feeling any more stable yet?
@@Queenread82 if you'd kept watching you'd have found out weather it was toxic or not, thought it was a great episode,
My son died of a drug overdose. He had mental health difficulties for about 5 years (admitted to hospital). He was waiting for an ADHD assessment. Once I looked into it, I was screened, assessed and diagnosed in my 50s. I have struggled with symptoms and enjoyed chasing and getting the dopermine hits all my life. ADHD behaviours have got me in trouble all my life, causing secondary anxiety related to not fitting in, not being able to conform, not being 'normal'. I have achieved in life, regardless of these traits, but it's been bloody hard - have done this with one arm tied behind my back, effectively... ADHD is an invisible disability. People don't see the constant internal battle to focus, conform, to achieve. It's just not a level playing field... Soo muchh more understanding n support is needed...
Sorry to hear this. I had a similar upbringing to you although yours sounds more difficult. I would say though ADHD doesnt actually exist. Emotional disregulation is a result of trauma. We are medically misdiagnosing and medicating. Combining this with the latest online social media trend and the current me me victim generation is creating a fake mental health timebomb. The same thing happened with the over diagnosing of autism spectrum.
@@YagdrolI couldn’t agree more!
I feel that Paul is amazing putting up with his wife. She is very lucky to have him. She doesn’t like ADHD, but then excuses her own behaviour by accusing him of it. Paul is very calm and polite & she just seems to be bruising for a fight, garnering attention. I do feel ADHD is a very
overused term. She keeps telling him his behaviour is a problem but she is great. I could not imagine living with this woman. I think he has to have his own company on a regular basis to be able to cope with her. He doesn’t put her down but she puts him down with ease. Good luck Paul. you need it, you’re a very lovely person despite your wife. ♥️
They live in separate houses, which makes sense.
That is completely incoherent.
She looks like she has a lot of issues
Is his wife trans.
why would you say all these things about someone? What does it achieve?
Didn't think I was going to like this, but I luvd it! Paul & his Mrs are legend! The host was very low key, asked the right questions and gave them plenty of space. Just Brilliant!💯👏💐
As much as it sounds like Dr Conkbayir is correct in recognising the negative impact of her childhood on her challenges, I do disagree with her on the idea that it was her upbringing and lack of co-regulation that *caused* her ADHD, it sounds very much like her parents BOTH probably had ADHD and that is why her parents were so chaotic and dysfunctional. I would agree that it sounds like she probably has CPTSD and that there is a lot of cross over between CPTSD and ADHDers but possibly in large part due to them having had undiagnosed ADHDers for parents
I think Paul Whitehouse has probably benefitted greatly from the privilige of being famous in Comedy for such a large part of his adulthood so has probably been afforded more support or accomodation for his Executive Dysfunction and certain ADHD traits. He sounds quite resistant to the idea of being an ADHDer, which may also be the age and generation. I also wonder if he might be Autistic too which would perhaps be part of the reason his ADHD is a bit more muted than his wife's version.
As a person with adhd, the childhood ptsd and trauma, are added to the problem. To refute the genetic predisposition, that is foundational to the problem, you are throwing out the baby with the bath water.
@Rachaelworld audhd is common, and one can mask the other.
30 to 80 percent of children with autism, have adhd, and 20 to 50 percent of children with adhd, have autism.
I think she was tryng to explain that she doesnt see a definitive line between the two distinctions, nuture vs nature in regards to ADHD. She considers it a possible blending of the two factors, one building on the other. At its core the underlying ADHD function is there, and disregulation is perhaps magnified more in life when trauma is a big factor than for someone growing up with a less stressed upbringing. The presentation of varied traits to the condition are maybe more significant and difficult to manage in less ideal environments.
I feel she tried to touch on the likelihood that at least one of her parents may have been ADHD too allowing consideration of genetics being a factor, but this beacame again the acknowledgement that she doesnt like to say one way or the other because it could be both, in a mix of traits, trauma and training.
That was my take on her view on that matter.
@Naki87 it's a very human thing to define and understand. To put a face to the name and vice-a-versa. But I think it can get to the point where the person can be defined by that alone in the wrong kind of eyes and mindset. Adhd should be integrated into your being and accepted not fetishism. It can be hell and isolating and made to feel " wrong " somehow. It's all about the approach, attitude and perspective. Clinical knowledge helps some to understand and create some tolerance for both NT and ADHD people. Everyone is different accept it don't mourn it.
What an amazing interview, I’m 46 and on the waiting list for an ADHD diagnosis. I feel my life would have been so much easier with help from an early age.
I never thought my difficulties were caused by ADHD, it was thanks to my autistic son.
I trained as a staff nurse, the anxiety helped me train, but equally the anxiety has stopped me working.
What I love about my adhd is the fact that I’m very intuitive. It’s my super power 😂😂
I love how this talk between three very insightful people reflects my constant inner struggle with my ADHD. It is all a big conflict in my head sometimes. ADHD can make you so creative, make you really fly high, yet it crashes you down with shame, RSD, addiction issues (for me, it has always been eating disorders since primary school), ... it makes you a walking contradiction. I love how Paul Whitehouse says: well, you two are successful in life... yes, that is right. I am successful, too: two very nice children (one with ADHD, one without), a good marriage, a wonderful job as a teacher... yet, I often feel like the biggest loser in life, really. I try to unlearn this a bit to be more positive, because actually life is good for me. But it is hard to see when you have ADHD, especially when you are diagnosed late in life.
Watching and listening to this robust but lovely exchange between Paul and Dr Mine (and Alex) is lovely to watch. It also kind of represents what my mind went through (internally) when recently realising (in my late 40s) that I tick every single box for ADHD and have done for many, many years.
i think i can see why he likes going fishing
Absolutely, the body language speaks volumes 🥴
They live separately.
@@rejectionisprotection4448- they would have to, otherwise Paul possibly wouldn’t be around anymore!
It's actually really refreshing to watch your shows. Seeing and hearing from people that are relatable. Tics are funny things.
My son was diagnosed with tourettes he makes noises involuntary movements accents etc. Only when what I thought in this family was normal *our normal) did I realise I constantly had tics. Alot of them. I was diagnosed late in life after many disasters . This show is really comforting knowing I'm not alone and hearing from others with the same differences you really have built and strengthened the confidence in the community 💯💪
Thank you keep up the excellent work you do 😁
Thank You - Paul,
Thank You - Mine,
Thank you Lovelies. Very considerate & kind of you to share this.
Accept Yourself Mine - (Gorgeous ).
I found myself looking at Paul Whitehouse and shouting "Run Forrest run" at the screen.
He probably would if they did not have a child together. 😒
Gone Fishing 🎣
Everyones got a condition now or as i call it a super power lol. And they never shut up abiut it
In the middle of watching this...and reading comments of course....and emptying the dishwasher....bloody loving this, fantastic Alex!...love Paul 💕
I’m really glad that ADHD is being celebrated nowadays and, as an ADHDer myself, this feels liberating. HOWEVER I think that the point of a psychiatric diagnosis is to acknowledge that ADHD causes unwanted, persistent and pervasive disruptions to a person’s life and across multiple domains of their life too such as work, family life, education etc. I have suffered greatly not just because there was no recognition or suggestion of ADHD while I was growing up but mostly because I struggle hugely with emotional dysregulation, burnout, sensory overload, anxiety… the list goes on and on. I feel really uneasy about suggesting someone else has ADHD unless they feel **themselves** that their possible “symptoms” or behaviours are having a detrimental impact on their life. If there is no negative impact on a person’s life, assigning labels of ADHD to ‘possible behaviours’ can minimise the suffering it causes and cause damage to those who really suffer.
You just suffer what 80 of the population suffer with. I am so sick of all this labelling, I know let's start having ADHD coming out parties. 🙄
What an awkward discussion. I don't think its particularly helpful to brand people as ADHD just because they like humming or singing. We all have coping mechanisms after all.
He's not in any way ADHD. The wife could also be given another diagnosis but, I shall keep that to myself.
@@SierraNovemberKilo the wife...BPD?
@@SierraNovemberKilonarcissism rhe wife her tone of voice sucks she sounds angry.
Doctors categorise problematic traits in order to effectively treat them. That is necessary. People throwing round the term and labeling people that are happy with who they are and whose symptoms aren't affecting their lives negatively is not helpful.
Someone should take the clip of him saying how he's always calm and never loses his temper, and cut it to a montage of him losing his rag with Bob in Gone Fishing
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I love their dynamic as a couple. They challenge each other and laugh it off when they disagree.
here's my thing with skeptics... If medication fixes something, then how can it be fake?
If you get diagnosed with ADHD, get given a medication, and that medication causes a reduction in your symptoms, then how can the disorder be "fake"
That's like saying to people with cancer that the tumor was caused by their lack of willpower, and if chemo therapy happens to help then it's "just a coincidence or lazy way out"
Symptomatic sydrome on a placebo in hypohipnasic hysteria conditioning environments, are absolutely unreal mind fucks.
The trouble you're having there is that you're trying to explain a science problem, to a person who isn't scientific. They say things like "I don't believe in ADHD" as if they even know what that means. Halfwits over estimating their brain.
my comment was censored. Your argument isn't logically sound. Any further comment seem impossible. Hopefully that will stand.
"If medication fixes something"Well if medication like say MDMA makes a " Normal" person feel happy it doesn't necessarily mean they are depressed and since when has medicine "fixed" physiological conditions ? It's more than the big Pharma has sold us the lie that they have the solution to people problems."To quote Krishnamurti "It i is no measure of good health to Be well adjusted to a sick world " no sane person who would seek good health in this world surely must feel outside of it to remain sane.
My issue is medicating kids at age from six which affects development. Due to back log 90% are given scripts from adult psychiatrist. A major sensory issue and time we treated accordingly. Not to keep narrow minded mainstream happy. I could go on... the most end up developing ocd and schizo effective disorders because of it
Good gravy Paul, you have patience. My tick is getting interrupted ( maybe coming from a large family ) when trying to make a succinct point. It makes me just shut up. So well done for your patience and tolerance for soldiering on in the face of being interrupted a lot of the time you opened your mouth. Not trolling. Not judging. It is what it is. I would have been sitting there very quietly as a result.
This is probably why they live separately.
@@twwoody813 Who knows. It's their business. No judgement from me. Just giving an example of my tick. We all have them
Yes! When my teenagers talk over me, that was it, no argument just stop.
As a school teacher, I beg the government to please provide funding for all the additional needs children have. We are put in impossible situations where we have to help these children (which we want to do) but the demands placed on us are astronomical because we just cannot do it alone.
There is no money for special needs anymore and yet we are more aware of them than ever before.
Brilliant interview Alex and Paul and Dr Mine are both quality guests ❤
Paul's the man... Grew up loving The Harry Enfield Show & Friends and, The Fast Show....
The way Mine describes her RSD is what I was trying to explain to a friend and work colleague. I even used the phrase “I’m a nice person so don’t deserve it.” I never imagine it or make it up. I have a heightened sense of it. It was podcasts like this that have made me seek a private diagnosis. I don’t lose things either, but I display a lot of other traits. I have submitted my evidence and I am awaiting the appt over the next few weeks. I think I need to know why the last 45 years of my life has been so difficult. Why my working life is plagued by difficulties and why I have had so many jobs and been through so many disciplinaries due to not thinking or behaving the way I am expected to. My only fear now is if I don’t get diagnosed as since investing so much time learning about it, everything that has happened over the last 45 years makes total sense. Freaking out about missing events has lost me many friends too. I absolutely believe I have autism and adhd. It also runs in my family. I really relate to Mine.
Lovely interview of Mr. Sunshine the Entertainer and Mrs. Dark Knight the Crusader. 😂❤
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Thanks for a great discussion :) ADHD and ASD both have a strong genetic component. The fact that her parents were so chaotic and struggled to self-regulate apart from drugs and alcohol only demonstrates this further. Nuture doesn't trigger ADHD, nuture triggers PTSD and CTPSD. Genetics triggers ADHD. Sending Dr Conkbayair a hug.
Hasnt it been proven since the 70's that genes dont determine your health or experience of life? Yes it has, check out Bruce Lipton. Genes are a blueprint, they respond to the environment. There is no gene for ADHD.
Spot on
I enjoyed this entire video. I found it very interesting and informative, and fascinating to hear how others navigate their neuro divergent existence.
Fantastic talk. Paul is a legend, and what a dynamic contrast between him and his wife
My wife says I've got OCD, if I've told her once I've told her 350000 times I haven't.
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If I've told you once, I've told you a million times - don't exaggerate!!
My son does guttural throat singing, yodelling and all manner of vocal tics as stims.
Personally I relate to so much of this, especially phobia, exhaustion and avoidance around social interactions. I’ve also been sacked off for not being able to keep up with other people on social plans. They weren’t really friends if they couldn’t see how ill I felt.
I like Paul here. The other two are fairly reasonable but they’re way too obsessed with finding fancy labels for everything imo.
Sometimes pathologising isn’t necessary.
3:55 firmly believing that her ADHD is due to nurture is kinda funny if you look at how she described her parents as if they didn't have signs of neurodiversity themselves. Seems a lot like nature to me.
Four generations in my family at least and counting! Just because it wasn’t diagnosed doesn’t mean it wasn’t/isn’t there! 🤷♀️
I was very resistant to the nuture over nature idea, especially as you say, her parents possibly were. The patterns do pass down through families, decades, generations, centuries of chaotic upbringings can create adhd offspring. I'm now more comfortable with the idea it's both. Also there's epigenetics, experience and environment alter your genes, so you will pass things on genetically that you weren't born with, rather you developed.
Hers and her parents Adhd might be down to nurture and they continued the cycle through their behaviour.
Everyone's a fruit and nut case lol
i agree sounds more like trauma to me and attachment.Both present as very sumilar and impact develoment of the brain.
Compelling and brilliant conversation. Thank you.
I shut myself out of the house this morning,had to climb in a window and broke the windowsill off in the process. I’m 47.
I managed to trap myself in the porch numerous times (pulling the door shut before realising I had, (put keys down, forgot to pick keys up ) until I moved at 50.
Now I have a house where you physically have to lock the house up. Yeah.
We are own Charlie Chaplin movie.
@stampandscrap7494 just yesterday I explained (again) to my husband why we use the back door and not the front! He simply cannot be relied upon to close doors, cupboards, drawers ...
Burglary is not gonna be a career option. Maybe try stand up..😅
I’m very impressed with your athleticism
How uncomfortable did paul look with that huge mike trapping him on the couch😂 great video.
"Run forest run" .
I was diagnosed as ADHD at 71, it was helpful and traumatic too. It’s made me look at others in my social spectrum in a different light.
I grew up in a very peaceful house and ended up living with someone from an extremely chaotic one. It was utterly exhausting. Any time there wasn't something crazy happening they'd start to perceive some slight and go off. I can understand how they get on by living in separate houses because the person with trauma can have a lot of positive aspects but not be easy deal with 24/7.
Great stuff, Paul is one of the funniest men alive. Great to see Paul participate
People with ADHD succeed IN SPITE of ADHD not because of ADHD. adhd doesnt magical give you an edge to succeed.
Paul squiggling about in his chair constantly. 😊
Without being in an environment were you can stim, this will be the result no doubt.
😂 hyperactivity 😂😂
getting pleasure out of diagnosing people against their will is creepy
@@hjvhjfv6320 gee whizz, lighten up!
And fidgeting with his fingers.
First time I've come across this channel and half way through this episode. Wow. So much of Dr Mine could be me. (Aware of my own CPTSD to this point but little else.) It's such a relief to know that other people experience the same traits, for want of a better word.
Adhd came first and it drives the chase for dopamine.. craving the quick fix of instant gratification, whether that may be drugs , alcohol , social media , sex, we as adhders have brains which are wired to do so.
every behaviour is essentially learnt - whether you want to face that or not
@@TheDavveponken Yes - that's the point @bringitbex is making. The learned behaviour is that an ADHD brain will chase dopamine, and the brain learns to partake in certain behaviours that provide dopamine quickly. The specific behaviour is then adapted as a more regular behaviour, then a habit, and then potentially an addiction.
@@Peachy-KeenJewelsOptional there's no proof of this hypothesis. Addiction is "simply" a learnt behaviour of avoidance that then also manifests to varying degree as physical dependance - which then drives it. It has little to nothing to do with dopamin. Dopamin is probably misuderstood anyway. Adhd, as are most psychiatric disorders, is based on pseudoscience which aim to validate its assumption by way of leveraging its very assumption to prove it. It's a tautological construct of an ideology.
@@TheDavveponken If a lack of dopamine drives behaviour, then it can lead to people seeking it out, no?
I'm not writing a thesis here - I'm writing a RUclips comment. If one's body is deficit in something, and that something makes you feel better when you get it, then your body will crave it, no? And that affects behaviour. Simple example: I'm thirsty and hungry as a child but only have access to limited water and food daily. When I grow up, the behaviour I might adapt is to hoard foodstuffs, or over-indulge when it's unlimited. That's not an "addiction" but it is driving behaviour, no?
You say psychiatric disorders are pseudoscience, but who are you? What are your credentials? As far as I know, you're a pseudoscientist who likes to pretend to know more than you actually do. What studies have you carried out on dopamine and its effects on human behaviour?
I'm gonna be 60 this November, and I'd been correctly diagnosed with MDD w/anxiety. A few months ago, I was diagnosed as ADHD and Sensitivity Processing Disorder w/hyper-sensitivity. (btw, it's my 35 y. o. son, who is also ADHD & is high functioning on the ASD spectrum. I am so angry that nobody did anything to help me when I was a kid and a teenager, that I got bullied for being smart and different and for just *existing*.
Bless
Jesus I could not be in the same room as her for more than 5 minutes. The constant analysis would drive me insane 😱
They live in separate houses, apparently.
@@rejectionisprotection4448 Yes I believe that they do live separately, and they have a daughter. I also think that her body language and the way she looks at him speaks volumes.
Yes, how dare that tedious woman actually discuss the subject of the interview…🙄🤦♀️
Paul has just announced that he has volunteered for the first manned mission to Mars 👍👍
The coffee thing is interesting. I'm exactly the same and would drink strong coffee and go to sleep. I quit all caffeine recently and I have a lot more energy. I never considered ADHD, but my daughter has a diagnosis and she's convinced I have it. I may or may not but I see it as a blessing, not a curse.
The caffeine gets you focused enough to relax and go to sleep.
@@scottpreston5074 I sleep fine without it
Poor Paul, looks anxious whenever she speaks, she sounds addicted to creating noise or chaos.
'What's your problem'?
sounds like she wants an argument, when he seems so mild mannered and reasonable.
No wonder he hums, to keep himself going.
Trouble and Strife sums her up.
This is probably why they live separately. I could not spend more than 5 minutes in the same room as this women. 😵💫
Disorder > DIfference ❤
By the way,I'm a huge fan of Paul Whitehouse.
I can't help but see him doing a version of that old fast show skit...
"Me?the well known and respected comedian and performer Paul Whitehouse? With ADHD?
Haaaardly!"😂
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Interesting and entertaining chat. But I honestly thought the lady was Nana Mouskouri,...well, until she opened her gob.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
And didn't she just open her gob, poor Paul could hardly get a word in 🙄
Excellent talk.
So interesting about the accent thing .. we moved to Newcastle when I was 8 and myself and my brother developed thick Geordie accents extremely quickly
I really enjoyed this. I got to see it early this morning as im in oz. All the comments are interesting.
I would love to see a sketch with Mine being the phycologist and Paul being a client. ..
I'm 68, recently diagnosed ADHD. Interestingly, through some research of my own I've learnt many people with fibromyalgia have ADHD, I've had fibro for over 20 years! It makes sense when you think of the burn out.
Yep, i'm writing a book on the fibro/ADHD/EDS/MCAS/Dysautonomia cluster.
@@mat12128 😂😂
My friend is a GP and says that Fibromyalgia does not actually exist. 🙄
Found the background beeping hard work, was it the mics? Listened to the whole interview despite it, wonderful discussion, great work, Alex x
Women with ADHD often get misdiagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder like I was as the diagnostic tools are based on male presentations.
Whatever the term it's money in the bank for psychiatrists.
Paul is playing a character here? 😂 he seems walking eggshells
Brilliant guests.
No Dear, some of us have more problems with executive function than we do with emotional regulation. I’m not denying the emotional dysregulation, I have it sometimes, but executive function is a daily, hourly struggle.
everyone struggles with this, hate to tell you. Especially if you are stressed or anxious - which ofc often is the case with "adhd". Adhd is stress and anxiety, nothing else.
No wonder he goes fishing often.
He is 100% right.
Bob and Paul are vert funny, best bit when Paul kept asking Bob standing behind him if he was ok, Bob then fell backwards as if he'd just had a heart attack.
Validation feels like real Life. That is something many of us do without for our whole lives. To walk away and breath after decades was amazing. There is hope and possibilities away from the manipulations. Be you, know you are worthy. You deserve to do your best to pursue a healthy life.
When I was a kid, my mother used to say I had a “grasshopper mind.”
I’m undiagnosed adhd, 60 yrs old , it has had a negative affect on my life from a young age, got took out of mainstream school at 13, went to a government funded school for the maladjusted, we’re fiddling went on , sexual abuse and physical, I’d love to sue the government education department, but when Ive contacted solicitors, they never get back to me , plod on is the answer, cheers shane uk 🇬🇧
Related to so much with what was discussed about how AHD manifests, the French goodbye, road rage, When Mine talked about not liking a silent and calm environment, that she likes noise, her food things, her rigidity and some of Mine's habits are synonymous with potential autism too, I actually realised after obtaining my ADHD diagnosis a few years back, as well as having CPTSD and other co-morbidities, and as there were still other things I felt odd, I also got the autism diagnosis, not as much as ADHD, but my theory is Neurodivergence is a huge spectrum where autism is always part of ADHD and vice versa.
Love Dr. Mine's perspective on education/schools. If only this was the norm.
Correlation is not causation. Yes, many ADHDers also struggle with addiction and often come from traumatic backgrounds but addiction and trauma does not cause the ADHD. Scientific studies have proven that ADHD is, excepting brain trauma causation, a genetic disorder, a medical disorder that can be helped with medication. I feel sorry and frustrated that she doesn’t understand this. It is easy information to come by.
it is not scientifically sound. There's no real proof of that and there's no real knowledge how "meds" "work". They ruined my life in the span of days. There's nothing wrong with these peoples brains and we should stop pushing detrimental drugs on people already suffering from emotional trauma, stress and anxiety. Really think about it. It doesn't make sense that the majority taking these questionnaires qualify for "adhd" and that the definitions are so vague and general to human experience - especially one during stress. It is "just" stress and anxiety. It is out of laziness that someone is diagnosed "adhd" rather than adverse childhood and social anxiety associated with performance. It is a big fraud. It is a chemical lobotomy. The majority stop taking their drugs within a year.
My sense is this person spends a lot of her waking time outside her winder of emotional tolerance due to trauma and therefor saying it is ADHD is tricky as this is also a classic C-pTSD response
Love it.😂 always loved Paul even more fun meeting his Mrs.
Same here !! 👊🏻😀👍🏻
Child bride?
@@RTim-k2m I wouldn't call her a child bride mate ?! 😂🤣
The continual music in my head … 😩😂 aaagghhhh
Paul's a genius 👏
Just diagnosed at 50 .
Welcome to the club. Was 55. Had no idea. (Thought everything was my fault )
How did you get diagnosed if you don't mind me asking. Is it as simple as going to the doctors
@@findlay1arches I went right to choose via Psychiatry-UK its still threw the NHS and quicker .I find the adhd uk men with adhd support group on Facebook very helpful too .
@@Plethorality Did you have a coming out party
I enjoy this podcast but I felt uncomfortable about how this gentleman was spoken to in this interview about if he has ADHD or not.
In my experience I feel ASD and ADHD makes you more likely to have CPTSD . After EMDR to help with Trauma/CPTSD I found I could distinguish more the differences. Often I think CPTSD can layer ontop . I do think a lot more study is needed on this. This is only my own personal experience and observation. Really hope more research will be done on this possible correlation.
I loved this, such an interesting interview
Interesting to hear that addiction may arise as a coping mechanism, I've wondered about this recently. The RSD too. Very interesting.
However, I agree that we shouldn't start diagnosing others based on a single trait, whistling/singing/humming are pretty normal as humans. We've used this to entertain ourselves and others through human history.
My estimation of Paul was high anyway but it’s gone up an extra notch after watching this.
I'll have to bookmark this. Very interesting and reassuring.
That opening. As if I could hear a Bartlett cry out in pain.
It should be called “Executive Function Deficit”. This I believe is where the spectrum of behaviours stem from.
Wouldn't it be worthwhile to host a debate between Mina and Katharine Birbalsingh?
Didn't know that lack of self regulating was a facet of ADHD.........interesting and helpful podcast
52 and a tik tok vid took me down a rabbit hole. At the bottom of the hole, lay my missing instruction booklet. Press the yellow button for crazed impulse spending with 50 watches in a few months. Blue button for a new hobby which dies instantly without reason. Button B for ODD, standing up to authoritarian chip shop owners who refuse to let me select my own fish, telling them I am banned for life. Button H for hyperfocus, knocking out a 70%+ 4000 word essay in 10 hours.
If only we could keep the hyperfocus switched on and directed at tasks which are in the correct order of prioritisation, we could change the world, instead of looking like Jim Royle, with periodic outbursts of the Incredible Hulk.
I’ve whistled all my life , and humming , skin picking , caffeine , lip licking .. all of those things.
Whistling?... I've always done that... Only to realise how rare it is... Just another small realisation along my journey into ADHD in remembering how irritating this has been to my girlfriends and partners over the years.... Not that I care 😅
And so what? I do the same. Are we saying that anything outside this Overton Window of 'normal' should be pathologized?
@michaelshannon9169 Exactly ?! 💯
absolutely normal and common place in different contexts.
It's funny how judgemental half the comments are, considering they were probably called lazy underachievers most of their lives. I was, too. Of course, at the time, i was very, very drunk.
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Gosh..."CELEBRATE" must B WORD OF THE DAY. 😊
If people are functioning well in their life despite having ADHD they shouldn’t be pressured to get diagnosed. It’s only a problem if it has a negative impact on their life.
Absolutely. Creative, productive people seem to have independently found their way of self-regulating without the label. My son has found his diagnosis useful for understanding which thought processes cause his periodic depression and anxiety. So, now he's better able to sort that out himself. I already know that if I had a diagnosis for ADHD/ ASD, my biggest question would be "How will this help me give up the ciggies?". I think the most important "label" to understand is introversion versus extroversion. Our family is very big on crafts. So we cope with boredom. An extrovert with these conditions is more likely to be bouncing off the walls trying to get a reaction from other people. That's probably going to make them, and the people around them, pretty miserable.
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wow. my comedy hero. so happy to start watching this.
In my family it wasn’t nurture, my brother came into the world in a rage and everyone walked the floor with him at night when he was a baby. He lived very fast and always looking for a high… he was a pest but everyone loved him. he was smart but bored easily and very impulsive. He was successful but had an addictive personality and a functioning alcoholic. He took his life out of the blue at 30. it was a shock. I do think it was an impulsive decision and not planned. I wished they had recognised SDHD In the 80’s.
My son died of a drug overdose dose aged 21. He never slept as a baby / child, was frequently bored, needed constant mental stimulation, easily angered/ frustrated, as very self-critical, lacked confidence, with accompanying self-loathing. He was incredibly capable, but struggled badly with his mental health (sectioned 2 or 3 time), prescribed meds didn't help and he tried to manage his mood / insomnia with drugs. To this day, we don't know if he took his life or ot was an accident - he was intelligent enough to know that fentanyl was a killer... He was put on a waiting list for an ADHD assessment the day he died. Autism, ADHD, any 'difference' is so related to mental distress. So many suffer so badly, unseen, often undiagnosed, too often misunderstood, masking, blamed, traumatised, desparing... 💔
Here's a thought. Can we get rid of a diagnosis of ADHD and just acknowledge Trauma it's effects, manifestation s and that some meds originally for used with adhd can be helpful. That way we'd not be sitting with 2yr waiting lists for assessments!
I totally agree
At last a common sense comment. would say though ADHD, OCD etc doesnt actually exist. These traits still exist and are real but they are not conditions themselves. Emotional disregulation is a result of trauma. We are medically misdiagnosing and medicating. Combining this with the latest online social media trend and the current me me victim generation is creating a fake mental health timebomb. The same thing happened with the over diagnosing of autism spectrum. People are suffering from trauma not something called ADHD.
@@YagdrolVery interesting
ADHD is present with or without trauma. Stfu about what you clearly do not understand.
How about you ask someone who actually takes ADHD medicine like me. It made a huge difference in my life and my school work speaks for its self the difference between grades and course work before I was being treated and during medicated treatment is night and day it’s so obvious.
Paul Whitehouse, such a lovely bloke. Happily would sit across a pub from him both alone and say nothing 😊
I like having whitehouse just being openly devil's advocate in this haha and the twist at the end :D
Paul Whitehouse is one of my comedy heroes
I'd say robbin williams had adhd.
What a lovely man.
I have adhd myself.
It's not easy mine was caused through child hood trauma.