This drill was KEY for me into learning the pro swing. Focus on shoulder turn for a week and five buckets. Shoulder turn is the breakthrough for me. I cannot stress how critical this drill is..... I know I say that a lot BUT I really really mean it here. Shoulders are huge!!!
@@tomvaughan9846 lol....man I tell you what. I will be using your method soon. I did a drill like this one but not as effective as yours. Thanks for passing it on....
It might be obvious to many but this drill also gives you a visual to your shoulder plane by looking at the plane of the shaft which will be in front of your face. You can do this drill inside by using the door jam to replace the alignment shaft in the ground. On a par 3 if you have to wait on the group in front you can use a ball washer stanchion as the alignment shaft.
This is my big error that is causing all or most of my woes in the golf swing. My buddy pointed it out during our last round. This drill is perfect. Thank you so much.
Eric gotta say I follow a ridiculous amount of teachers on social media ,, that said iam cutting it down to just a few of course!!! Not to blow you up but you are definitely top teacher out there,,,, you'll all about helping the average golfer very much appreciated!!! Peace brother stay safe on your travels!!!!⛳🙏
Again Eric, really good content. What’s amazing with this drill is how much more correctly your legs work on the downswing. Bcuz I get too flat, it stops my legs from thrusting upward bcuz what???? They’re already up from never loading correctly
Eric, I have been specifically working on tilt in the backswing because it was helping me stay more centered in the backswing. Now, however, I must be over doing it and while it has helped for one issue(upper body sway to right) it has caused me to move my head down and towards the ball. So I am guessing I might be overdoing the tilt?. If this is the case, I am guessing I need to find that happy ground in between.
Yes and yes :) you need to use video to confirm the FEELS to hit the checkpoints Checkpoint: keep head in circle you started This would be a good training station to use to keep forehead on noodle. Don't come off nor press into....that would help ruclips.net/video/TIDfZFdNW_0/видео.html ruclips.net/video/TMMCQz3nlmw/видео.html
Thanks! Here's some info on the right arm in depth....hope it helps! ruclips.net/video/fNry_pPPZPs/видео.html ruclips.net/video/6yhGfEP8YNE/видео.html ruclips.net/video/WGcLuex-CUA/видео.html ruclips.net/video/cKz2-yn5R2o/видео.html ruclips.net/video/85QhjRS1ChE/видео.html ruclips.net/video/eseEJ90WEnw/видео.html
I try to read golf instruction books from Toski and even as old as Percy Boomer/early 20th century) and when I see Toski talk of left side taking club back ...maybe he meant this left shoulder down With left shoulder down the left arm and side unit gets activated and takes the club away automatically! different words but same concept maybe?
I would have to try to confirm (I dont know) but in my mind the answer would be yes. If you need more tilt and normally turn flat it would be better to hit too low and over do in practice
Love your Channel, am a subscriber & anxiously await new videos. Have a question about the backswing / takeaway. I’m 48 with two total hip replacements (lifetime of hockey). Up here in Alaska so all the drills you provide are being used in the winter. I tend to sway off the ball in my takeaway and have found the Mike Austin hip pivot to be an easy way to let my hips flow naturally while keeping my head from swaying off the ball. I’m also noticing that not many other instructors teach the Austin pivot & seems to me that they call the move towards the ball a sway that tends to get stuck on the follow thru when you slide the hips forward. Also, I’m noticing that when Austin explains the hip / pivot slowly that it looks a bit different when he’s swinging ‘live’. As a matter of fact. It looks like what you coach. Is this because it’s just more of a ‘feel’ for him ? Can you talk about this in a video perhaps with some deeper explanation. Basically how to go from the swinging (sway) of the hips forward to a complete natural finish. Because when I let my hips move freely in the pivot to forward I do get stuck (perhaps early extension) I’ve got a problem getting all the way to the finish after getting weight to my lead side if I don’t super concentrate or get lucky. Please HELPl
Appreciate the support! Will see if we can put it on the list! Check out www.cogornogolf.com so we can SEE your swing video...that way we can really help and answer all of these questions specific for you! DO the premium $39/mo option.
Interesting. Not unlike Mike Austin's compound pivot of the hips (pivot and tilt the hips) lead leg flexing and knee moves out toward the ball. Trail side lengthens and lead side shortens. I like it!
One question..when the club is grounded there is already a angle with the ground. So to increase that how does one rake the club away? In other words does the left shoulder dip first which moves the club or does the torso turn and then does the shoulder dip?there is no room asthe ground is in the way!
Thanks, Bill! IT will be more FLAT.....BECAUSE.....your setup posture is more upright... 90* shoulder turn to back line is a decent general rule ruclips.net/video/dAq_cokO4TI/видео.html
Eric...I know you've discussed the left shoulders role on the downswing...any chance you two can show that portion of the swing? AMs tend to quickly tilt back to the trail side immediately to start the downswing instead of keeping or even dropping the left shoulder lower as the downswing begins.
Eric, this is another great video. Could you do another video of the very same thing only using a driver instead of a 7 iron. I would think with a driver you would not want to have such a steep backswing.
Thanks, Edward! Sure can! Even though you asked about backswing you might like this one on driver vs iron on downswing we did with Marty ruclips.net/video/TJtx-qVSgVU/видео.html
Bad back and old age, I did this drill tonight at the range, and all I can say is that it works, but boy...am I sore from the stretching..lol Hopefully the soreness in my back goes away so I can continue the drill tomorrow..
Yes.... but.... Because you are setup taller (less bent over) with driver Your left shoulder won't go AS far down....but still 90* to back line is a good general guide
When I do the drill and I 'exaggerate' goong very low with the lead shoulder, my head doesn't seem to keep up with the massive 90° turn... Am I not flexible/mobile enough or is it normal to feel have that tension there? Thanks
Hey Max! I would have to see exactly what you are doing to say for sure. I would say as a general statement the idea would be to get your shoulders turning 90* to your back line. If you need to go a smidge flatter to get a full turn I would GENERALLY be OK with that. IF you dont get it sorted sign up at www.cogornogolf.com so you can send me your swings!
Greetings from Australia. Eric, could you direct me to video on the use of the shoulders on the forward swing that correlates to this video of the back swing please? I have found this video so easy and useful for taking the shoulders arms and club away from the ball, but, I now need to know how to get back to the ball!, I don't won't to use my own interpretation, because I know it will be incorrect. Thanking you in advance. "Great Videos, keep em coming!
Yup! Appreciate the kind words....these should get ya started. If you search my name and "right shoulder" or "left shoulder" or "tilts" you should see what you're looking for! ruclips.net/video/90Iy1Lm1ynw/видео.html ruclips.net/video/y2LL9DWy3_0/видео.html ruclips.net/video/KvRcyX9OElY/видео.html
Good evening Eric, and thank you for the very quick reply and reference videos that will help me with the transition of my right shoulder. I'd love to stay and talk, but, I must now go out and practice. Thank you once again for producing such a wide range of very easy to understand and user friendly golf help videos.
I would say you would have a few basic options 1. Figure out the best way to swing around what you are capable of doing. What other pieces could you adjust to help you turn more (closed stance, foot flare, leg extension, etc) 2. Work with someone to improve your mobility/flexibility.
most amateurs stand too far from ball, flattening the swing Watching pros hit wedges really demonstrates shoulder tilt, chest on ball compression They stand so close to ball! One can sense the trap/compression. Byron Nelson said you cant stand too close to ball....clearly an exaggeration but made the point
Setup definitely an important factor. The beginning part of this video are the checkpoints I use for stock setup pieces ruclips.net/video/8TjvCHCAQ0c/видео.html
LOL....no no silly.....I have 9,000,000 examples of those style backswing RUINING downswings....just because you have 2 anomalies that make it work.....DOES NOT prove a point. They are anomalies my friend. Talent trumps all. 9,000,000 backswing matters 2 that it doesnt I will skip the part where I explain my past 13 years coaching, the amount of swings I have seen, the real lessons I have given, etc, etc. Can you make a BAD backswing work? Lol of course. Does that backswing "not matter".....thats silly.
Search my name and "compress"....there should be 6-7 videos that come up. Watch those.....this left shoulder move makes all that easier. In short. Lead shoulder more down....body closer to the ground....makes you have to shorter the trail arm and wrist.....which to hit the ball solid you have to turn enough to get the shaft forward enough to get low point forward......shaft more forward lowers the dynamic loft...lower dynamic loft with angle of attack neutral leads to more compression.
Make sure you turn enough....atleast 90* with shoulders ... If you already do that....then shift more pressure to trail foot... But RECORD yourself and adjust based on what is ACTUALLY happening not based on feel You might FEEL left but be perfectly centered
When I do this drill with the club sticking out to get it down the allignment stick, I have to make a 90° turn with my shoulders but then my head can't keep up and I have to rotate it with my back cause there's to much tension to keep watching the ball... Am I doong something wrong or is it normal? Thanks
Eric..your videos and patient replies are worth thousands of $$ and you do it free ! Thsnk you
:)
This drill was KEY for me into learning the pro swing. Focus on shoulder turn for a week and five buckets. Shoulder turn is the breakthrough for me. I cannot stress how critical this drill is..... I know I say that a lot BUT I really really mean it here. Shoulders are huge!!!
Love it, Brett!
@@tomvaughan9846 lol....man I tell you what. I will be using your method soon. I did a drill like this one but not as effective as yours. Thanks for passing it on....
It might be obvious to many but this drill also gives you a visual to your shoulder plane by looking at the plane of the shaft which will be in front of your face. You can do this drill inside by using the door jam to replace the alignment shaft in the ground. On a par 3 if you have to wait on the group in front you can use a ball washer stanchion as the alignment shaft.
Yessir
Eric - Absolutely awesome video. I need to really work on this!! Jim
Thanks, Jim! Hope it serves you well!
This is my big error that is causing all or most of my woes in the golf swing. My buddy pointed it out during our last round. This drill is perfect.
Thank you so much.
Our pleasure! Hope it helps!
Eric gotta say I follow a ridiculous amount of teachers on social media ,, that said iam cutting it down to just a few of course!!! Not to blow you up but you are definitely top teacher out there,,,, you'll all about helping the average golfer very much appreciated!!! Peace brother stay safe on your travels!!!!⛳🙏
Thanks man--very much appreciated! Thanks for being with us....just trying to do my part to help everyone play better!
Many thanks Eric and Mark. Will try this tomorrow!
Hope it helps my friend!
I'm brand new to the page and when I joined you had 99,900 subscribers. A day later....Congratulations on 100K!! 😎😎😎🙋🏽♂️🙋🏽♂️🎉🎉🎉🎉
Appreciate it :) Thanks for being here with us!!
Hi Eric , really like this one. Simple and effective . Exactly what i like. Cheers
Thanks, Patrick! Appreciate it!
You talked about steep shoulders in one of your takeaway videos.I told you it help my whole swing especially keeping my club head outside my hands .👍
Love it....always ripple effects!!
Again Eric, really good content. What’s amazing with this drill is how much more correctly your legs work on the downswing. Bcuz I get too flat, it stops my legs from thrusting upward bcuz what???? They’re already up from never loading correctly
Yessir!! Appreciate it!
Eric, I have been specifically working on tilt in the backswing because it was helping me stay more centered in the backswing. Now, however, I must be over doing it and while it has helped for one issue(upper body sway to right) it has caused me to move my head down and towards the ball. So I am guessing I might be overdoing the tilt?. If this is the case, I am guessing I need to find that happy ground in between.
Yes and yes :)
you need to use video to confirm the FEELS to hit the checkpoints
Checkpoint: keep head in circle you started
This would be a good training station to use to keep forehead on noodle. Don't come off nor press into....that would help
ruclips.net/video/TIDfZFdNW_0/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/TMMCQz3nlmw/видео.html
Great info! Please add info on what to do with the trail arm (right arm for right handed golfer)....how much strength? When to engage?
Thanks!
Here's some info on the right arm in depth....hope it helps!
ruclips.net/video/fNry_pPPZPs/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/6yhGfEP8YNE/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/WGcLuex-CUA/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/cKz2-yn5R2o/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/85QhjRS1ChE/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/eseEJ90WEnw/видео.html
Excellent drill this has been one of my swing faults for sure. I was wondering could you kind of flip this for the downswing too?
100%
Second one will address that more specifically
ruclips.net/video/y2LL9DWy3_0/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/90Iy1Lm1ynw/видео.html
Thanks Eric appreciate it 👍
This is more useful than the one with J Frank
Glad it helped!
I try to read golf instruction books from Toski and even as old as Percy Boomer/early 20th century) and when I see Toski talk of left side taking club back ...maybe he meant this left shoulder down
With left shoulder down the left arm and side unit gets activated and takes the club away automatically! different words but same concept maybe?
Perhaps!
Question: if I use a longer stick, should it hit the guide stick in the same spot (height wise) as I turn my body back to the left?
I would have to try to confirm (I dont know) but in my mind the answer would be yes.
If you need more tilt and normally turn flat it would be better to hit too low and over do in practice
Love your Channel, am a subscriber & anxiously await new videos. Have a question about the backswing / takeaway. I’m 48 with two total hip replacements (lifetime of hockey). Up here in Alaska so all the drills you provide are being used in the winter. I tend to sway off the ball in my takeaway and have found the Mike Austin hip pivot to be an easy way to let my hips flow naturally while keeping my head from swaying off the ball. I’m also noticing that not many other instructors teach the Austin pivot & seems to me that they call the move towards the ball a sway that tends to get stuck on the follow thru when you slide the hips forward. Also, I’m noticing that when Austin explains the hip / pivot slowly that it looks a bit different when he’s swinging ‘live’. As a matter of fact. It looks like what you coach. Is this because it’s just more of a ‘feel’ for him ? Can you talk about this in a video perhaps with some deeper explanation. Basically how to go from the swinging (sway) of the hips forward to a complete natural finish. Because when I let my hips move freely in the pivot to forward I do get stuck (perhaps early extension) I’ve got a problem getting all the way to the finish after getting weight to my lead side if I don’t super concentrate or get lucky. Please HELPl
Appreciate the support!
Will see if we can put it on the list!
Check out www.cogornogolf.com so we can SEE your swing video...that way we can really help and answer all of these questions specific for you! DO the premium $39/mo option.
Interesting. Not unlike Mike Austin's compound pivot of the hips (pivot and tilt the hips) lead leg flexing and knee moves out toward the ball. Trail side lengthens and lead side shortens. I like it!
Absolutely!
One question..when the club is grounded there is already a angle with the ground. So to increase that how does one rake the club away? In other words does the left shoulder dip first which moves the club or does the torso turn and then does the shoulder dip?there is no room asthe ground is in the way!
The right shoulder goes up and back...that lifts the club as the left one goes down
Very nice tip! Is the tilt of the shoulders about the same angle if swinging a driver?
Thanks, Bill!
IT will be more FLAT.....BECAUSE.....your setup posture is more upright...
90* shoulder turn to back line is a decent general rule
ruclips.net/video/dAq_cokO4TI/видео.html
REALLY REALLY GOOD video, thx for sharing Eric :)
Appreciate it! My pleasure my friend!
Eric...I know you've discussed the left shoulders role on the downswing...any chance you two can show that portion of the swing? AMs tend to quickly tilt back to the trail side immediately to start the downswing instead of keeping or even dropping the left shoulder lower as the downswing begins.
Absolutely....covered that here:
ruclips.net/video/o9OJ03RrCcU/видео.html
Eric, this is another great video. Could you do another video of the very same thing only using a driver instead of a 7 iron. I would think with a driver you would not want to have such a steep backswing.
Thanks, Edward! Sure can!
Even though you asked about backswing you might like this one on driver vs iron on downswing we did with Marty
ruclips.net/video/TJtx-qVSgVU/видео.html
Bad back and old age, I did this drill tonight at the range, and all I can say is that it works, but boy...am I sore from the stretching..lol Hopefully the soreness in my back goes away so I can continue the drill tomorrow..
Gotta keep that body MOVING! :)
Great looking drill. Does this apply to the driver swing also?
Yes....
but....
Because you are setup taller (less bent over) with driver
Your left shoulder won't go AS far down....but still 90* to back line is a good general guide
Good tips. Would nice to see you actually doing the thrill when hitting, not just hitting like you always do with or without thrills.
Thanks for the feedback!
Really good one here.
Thanks, Oliver!
When I do the drill and I 'exaggerate' goong very low with the lead shoulder, my head doesn't seem to keep up with the massive 90° turn... Am I not flexible/mobile enough or is it normal to feel have that tension there? Thanks
Hey Max! I would have to see exactly what you are doing to say for sure. I would say as a general statement the idea would be to get your shoulders turning 90* to your back line.
If you need to go a smidge flatter to get a full turn I would GENERALLY be OK with that.
IF you dont get it sorted sign up at www.cogornogolf.com so you can send me your swings!
Is the leftside crunch the initiator of the golf swing?
Part of it! Trail leg extends, trail hip up and back......left side crunch and chest up
Greetings from Australia. Eric, could you direct me to video on the use of the shoulders on the forward swing that correlates to this video of the back swing please? I have found this video so easy and useful for taking the shoulders arms and club away from the ball, but, I now need to know how to get back to the ball!, I don't won't to use my own interpretation, because I know it will be incorrect. Thanking you in advance. "Great Videos, keep em coming!
Yup!
Appreciate the kind words....these should get ya started. If you search my name and "right shoulder" or "left shoulder" or "tilts" you should see what you're looking for!
ruclips.net/video/90Iy1Lm1ynw/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/y2LL9DWy3_0/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/KvRcyX9OElY/видео.html
Good evening Eric, and thank you for the very quick reply and reference videos that will help me with the transition of my right shoulder. I'd love to stay and talk, but, I must now go out and practice. Thank you once again for producing such a wide range of very easy to understand and user friendly golf help videos.
Reminds me of the Jim Hardy drill.
Great coach!
Your head can dip too much when you do this, which is what i used to do. Have to make sure your back shoulder is going up and back behind you also.
For sure....
you can OVER DO or UNDER DO......anything.
Want to keep head more or less in the box it started in at address during backswing
trail shoulder up and TOWARD THE TARGET, chest to the sky (as a thought)….lead hip releases down on backswing
Dude put that stick in the ground perfectly plumb in every way possible. No wonder he's good. LOL
:)
If I can't turn that much because of stiffness?
I would say you would have a few basic options
1. Figure out the best way to swing around what you are capable of doing. What other pieces could you adjust to help you turn more (closed stance, foot flare, leg extension, etc)
2. Work with someone to improve your mobility/flexibility.
most amateurs stand too far from ball, flattening the swing
Watching pros hit wedges really demonstrates shoulder tilt, chest on ball compression
They stand so close to ball! One can sense the trap/compression.
Byron Nelson said you cant stand too close to ball....clearly an exaggeration but made the point
Setup definitely an important factor. The beginning part of this video are the checkpoints I use for stock setup pieces
ruclips.net/video/8TjvCHCAQ0c/видео.html
Jack Nicklaus said that to .
Nobody:
Eric: Gotcha
Lol love it!
It doesn't matter what you do in the backswing. You got Raymond Floyd on one end and you got Matthew Wolff on the other end.
LOL....no no silly.....I have 9,000,000 examples of those style backswing RUINING downswings....just because you have 2 anomalies that make it work.....DOES NOT prove a point. They are anomalies my friend. Talent trumps all.
9,000,000 backswing matters
2 that it doesnt
I will skip the part where I explain my past 13 years coaching, the amount of swings I have seen, the real lessons I have given, etc, etc.
Can you make a BAD backswing work? Lol of course. Does that backswing "not matter".....thats silly.
Love that answer
So why does more shoulder tilt lead to more compression? Physics lesson please.
Search my name and "compress"....there should be 6-7 videos that come up.
Watch those.....this left shoulder move makes all that easier.
In short. Lead shoulder more down....body closer to the ground....makes you have to shorter the trail arm and wrist.....which to hit the ball solid you have to turn enough to get the shaft forward enough to get low point forward......shaft more forward lowers the dynamic loft...lower dynamic loft with angle of attack neutral leads to more compression.
When I try that, I always feel that my weight is on my left side.
Make sure you turn enough....atleast 90* with shoulders ...
If you already do that....then shift more pressure to trail foot...
But RECORD yourself and adjust based on what is ACTUALLY happening not based on feel
You might FEEL left but be perfectly centered
When I do this drill with the club sticking out to get it down the allignment stick, I have to make a 90° turn with my shoulders but then my head can't keep up and I have to rotate it with my back cause there's to much tension to keep watching the ball... Am I doong something wrong or is it normal? Thanks
Seriously this whole video could have been done in 10 mins instead of 16 mins. So much repetition
Thanks for the feedback, Tony! Sorry about that.