It feels like the whole reason for Necropolis was to sell stash tabs, there is absolutely no reason why they didnt do corpses and allflames stackable other than it was on purpose and like you said yourself you had to buy lots of stash tabs so did everyone else, Im all up for supporting a good job for this type of games with supported packs and mtx and whatnot, but this being forced and totally intended just pisses me off
You are definitely one of the best POE content creators around and I was very happy to follow you during the league. Thanks for the videos and hope to see you again next league!
I think the league mechanic highlighted the worse aspects of PoE. Currency pick up and stacking were abysmal. Stash management with corpses highlighted other bad ones like tomes and beasts. Allflames are good, but the two menu interface was bad. These little annoyances just wear players down much more than before and this was supposed to be the QoL league. Still it is my most played league (out of 3, I'm still a greenhorn).
It's a good example of how the league was disappointing, but the underlying game is still compelling. Obviously that's frustrating for this patch cycle, especially since it's running longer than usual, but the next league is probably going to be pretty good.
I don't agree with the basegame being in great shape. I think that T17's and the scarab rework resulted in a much more monotonous endgame. I also think the difficulty of T17's will likely have pretty big effects on build diversity in future leagues. I wouldn't be shocked to see one or two skill just completely dominating in future leagues because they are the only starters that can handle the content. Good video.
Thank you. The difficulty of t17's is a big miss, and it's entirely on the t17 mods. The maps themselves are fine. Not trivial, but not absurd. The t17 mods come in and crank everything up to 11.
I really want to help you. So here goes. When the northern hemisphere of our planet has summer, the southern hemisphere (Where Australia, Brazil, New Zealand can be found) have winter. July is most commonly the coldest month. This is why in December, a summer month, there is vacation. It is hot so, no frozen gravity harnesses. :)
This was the first league I crafted multiple six-link items and I just had a really good time. Note that I started the league very late so a lot was patched by then thanks to early player feedback. - 3 atlas trees? Huge W -easy early 6 links for noobs like me? W -ctrl + shift + left click. W -forcing league mechanics via atlas? W I blocked the lantern on the left side of my tree and ended up blasting anyway without embers or dragging modifiers around before every map. I didn't go 40/40 on the challenges, I don't know the game well enough for that, but I had a good time. That said, I've already wrapped up my season. There's not much left that I want to do so I'd just be grinding away for idk what.
True, there's a lot to like in this league and patch. We can only hope they learn some of the important lessons from this league and add on them in Patch 3.25!
I will miss the more deterministic crafting, this league I had a great time in SSF. For context I have tons of quads and solo stash tabs so I didn't relate to the inventory issues.
The point about it being complex but not deep is so important because that's what ggg has been pushing with PoE 2. But you're right this is completely counter to that philosophy. Edit) I know it would require a huge rebalance but what about just more scarab slots?
Saying that it was easy to craft good items is a bit disingenuous. That's something only the top 1% can say. No one can understand it without understanding core crafting mechanics and what is actually valuable. This league shows you why crafting is already good enough and is suffering from bloat. People need currency to drop to craft with and it seems they trying to reduce the amount of spam crafting but people didn't look at it this way. They need to reduce the grind in some manner so you aren't stuck on one build the whole league if you are more casual. I don't mind crafting but it shows how people view the time sink. The.corpse system was superior to conventional crafting methods but crafting as a whole is very random. It feels really bad to spend all your time trying to learn something only to be let down because it didn't work out. It makes you feel as if you made no progress. As long as a divine can drop, people will participate in the rat race and it makes for a healthier economy despite inflation or not. It keeps people playing.
That's fair. It definitely isn't easy to craft a high-tier item with the Necropolis, it's time-consuming and annoying-but it's VERY inexpensive compared to most standard crafting methods, and you have vastly more control over crafting than you would with any other method available in the post-Harvest state of the game.
Are you being serious? Corpses drop easily compared to crafting mats and doing it the normal way. I made a lot of good triple fractured t1 ele bows. Made a lot of other good stuff too. All of which you can't do or get normally.
Lol. look like you dont know what you are talking about. The amount of 6xT1 items with multiple fractures in this league could be more than the entire Standard league right now :D
Quick comparation, by crafting stuff myself. It cost me 4 days to finish an endgame build last league 3.23 with a ton of currency drop And it cost me half of a day to make the same build, even better. But that's fair to your perspective. Not everyone likes crafting. To me, running same content day by day is boring. I like to try out many builds in the league, and this corpse league help me out with that.
I absolutely loved this League. Not for the league itself or grave yard. But I like to delve, I am able to put in 1 sulphate all flame and 1 sulphate doubling scarab and in less than 1 t10 map I was maxed. First league I was able to completely ignore mapping and do what I like sooner and longer. 10/10 would play again.
For new league I'm going hoping they make easy craft item repice for all class. Because new player like me noobs even watch alots videos. I can only buy stash tabs . I'm cant craft item
My guy nz and aus are in summer in december its winter now think of it like this if its winter for you its summer for us and vice versa you know the world is round and rotates around a sun and you know seasons change haha but i found what you said amusing haha
Shill detected. Or an npc. The game was un dog shape before this league, and they basically said screw it and scrambled the game like eggs and can never be undone. Thisnis poe 1 btw. Not poe. Poe died years ago.
@PathofEvening every game is dog shit. Devs are putting out trash games or ruining their old games, like classic wow, poe 1, poe 2, d4. I've literally gained lbs of muscle instead of playing these trash games. I want them to be good, so i can just veg out and be fat. But I'm not an npc and just accept whatever trash is put on my plate I actually stop playing and put my wallet. where my mouth is. Unlike you who just bend over for them and pull bs out your as to make them sound good even tho they absolutely fd this game. Sound like msnbc defending brain dead joe
First League i quit after only 3 weeks, every other i played atleast 5-8 weeks. This time i had no fun with forced mechanics t17 farm was also shit. Econemy was in the bin after 2 weeks and necrocrafting got out of Hand(5 Fracture Items WTF). Chaseitems that where normally 100+ Divs you could get for 10 divs. I like to run after nice items or like to sell good items for a good price but when you get a headhunter the third day of the league and you think nice jackpot and it is only worth 40div you really have to ask you why did GGG hate the old playstyle of chaseitems and Grinding? Its in their name Grinding Gear Games
i enjoy crafting mechanic this league. i can make stupid impossible stuff. my current project of a double influenced helm with spell damage(yes spell damage on a dex helm) and life fracturedfor a base to the ultimate strength stacking helmet. the fact i can boost the league mechanic even farther with atlas map is a huge bonus. if you dont want to spec into the league mechanic then dont. it sounds to me like you dont enjoy it so dont get it, simple. the fact i can choose to remove or amplified the league mechanic with atlas is a great benefit to me. at the end of the day besides trading for corpses this league was amazing
U are great. For me I'm a beginner in this game now I'm just starting to play for nearly 1 month and don't know all the craft . And keep dying on map tie 14 stack on level 93 rf chieftain
Appreciate your take on this. T17's were really difficult and as a casual player, I got FOMO since I didn't have the gear/build/time to really get to do them. I agree a slight rework of those modifiers would be beneficial and help with that jump from T16's to Ubers. Am enjoying the channel, thanks for all you do with it!
6:38 This is the reason I dipped out of the league despite liking legitimately every part of the mechanic. GGG obviously didn't have the testers test in yellow maps and higher or these sorts of interactions would have become obvious. 8:53 This is also the first league I've had a 6x T1 Item. I simply don't play enough during the part of the league where trade hasn't died yet to get enough currency to buy one after they shoot up to 50+div in week two. Let alone a Rog hit or making one myself. 10:35 This is legit a screwup. And again one that should have been caught in even rudimentary testing. 11:50 I mostly ran Back to Basics with all four Necropolis nodes. The game just runs so much smoother with all the mechanics turned off and not randomly dying to the lagspike of loading in new mobs. (Black thumb is a staple in my trees for this reason.) 19:35 I dabbled some with Unwavering Vision when I found that all I was getting was add a mecnaic scarabs...which if I wanted a mechanic I'd 100% it on the tree so were really worthless. You'd think 20 extra points would be really strong...turns out it's just kinda mid even compared to the most common scarabs. 22:40 It now also conveniently lands at about week three in Last Epoch's first post-release 'league'. So a nice timing to really crush their only legitimate competitions retention. My hopes for 3.25 ...are not the same as yours. I want to see gravecrafting go core without a harvest-style nerf, but be highly optional, probably behind an atlas keystone. With some massive additional restriction to keep 6x T1 items from flooding the market. I'd go so far as to consider a cannot be traded enchant on items from gravecrafting. The league mechanic on tree experiment is salvageable, but not the way they did it. I'm thinking a Keystone that acts like a timeless jewel for the atlas, transforming one of the other mechanics into the league one. And the lantern could honestly go core basically as is, now that we've beta tested its interactions for them. Stick it behind an atlas keystone so the people that complained about having to futz with it every map don't have to deal with it.
One thing that REALLY annoyed me this league was the inability to change up stuff after you "activate" the map. You see the lantern stuff and think; oh nice, let me do x and y and z to take advantage of this, but no... everything is locked. That created totally unnecessary fomo-ish feelings. Bad bad bad design, but that's not a foreign concept this league...
i personally think the point where you mention you only farm 1 league mechanic nowadays is a non argument. like yes it is true, but if you want to mix it up more often there is literally 3 diffrent strats you can change on a whim now. but mayb thats me not being against supercharging one mechanic.
That's kinda true, and definitely something they were considering when giving players the freedom to swap trees back and forth. With that being said, it is something a lot of players have complained about, but maybe people just hate change.
Keep it up and Im looking forward to the next league as well. I enjoyed Necropolis despite the rocky roads - it’s so nice to see how great GGG is with experimenting new things and using POE 1 like a little playground for POE2. Very well prepared videos with lots of good, wealthy and helpful information. Btw for anyone who likes Toxic Rain (of withering) like you do, you might check out my Assassin’s version which is surprisingly the only build on poe ninja this league -> grilleeerr Since u seem to be experienced with Toxic Rain… is Pathfinder so much stronger? And if so, what’s making the difference to lets say my example/Assassin Toxic Rain? Stay safe exile ✌️
That's definitely an interesting build idea! Assassin has definitely been left aside by the community in recent patches, and it's really not a bad build. It has VERY limited defensive power, which is the biggest weakness plaguing it, but the offensive power is really, really good, especially for a poison build. One huge offensive advantage that Pathfinder brings (even more than Poison Proliferation if you're playing a poison setup), is the built-in Wither stacks and 50% Increased Wither Effect. Nature's Reprisal is just so, so good for any kind of Chaos damage build. Having permanent flask uptime makes you consistent defensively and keeps you moving very fast all the time, as well. Being down in the Ranger starting area is really good for a bow build, you don't lose out on passive points travelling down that way, but having played Toxic Rain Tricksters & Champions in the past, non-Ranger TR builds can absolutely work!
Pretty much. They definitely care about players liking the game and having fun, etc., but Chris explicitly said in his GCD talk "Designing Path of Exile to Be Played Forever" that they market toward and emphasize the first few weeks of a league because that's where all of their money is made. Players make a big deal out of the difference between 30% and 20% player retention at the halfway mark, but you have to figure it's not a huge deal to GGG.
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It feels like the whole reason for Necropolis was to sell stash tabs, there is absolutely no reason why they didnt do corpses and allflames stackable other than it was on purpose and like you said yourself you had to buy lots of stash tabs so did everyone else, Im all up for supporting a good job for this type of games with supported packs and mtx and whatnot, but this being forced and totally intended just pisses me off
Yup, we've had stash-heavy leagues in the past, but none have ever been at this level.
You are definitely one of the best POE content creators around and I was very happy to follow you during the league. Thanks for the videos and hope to see you again next league!
Thank you! We'll be here!
I think the league mechanic highlighted the worse aspects of PoE. Currency pick up and stacking were abysmal. Stash management with corpses highlighted other bad ones like tomes and beasts. Allflames are good, but the two menu interface was bad. These little annoyances just wear players down much more than before and this was supposed to be the QoL league.
Still it is my most played league (out of 3, I'm still a greenhorn).
It's a good example of how the league was disappointing, but the underlying game is still compelling. Obviously that's frustrating for this patch cycle, especially since it's running longer than usual, but the next league is probably going to be pretty good.
As my first league I entered citadel with buzzsaw, shaper-touched mobs, drowning orbs. I think it had cores too. Very fun 🙃
Sounds great!
I don't agree with the basegame being in great shape. I think that T17's and the scarab rework resulted in a much more monotonous endgame.
I also think the difficulty of T17's will likely have pretty big effects on build diversity in future leagues. I wouldn't be shocked to see one or two skill just completely dominating in future leagues because they are the only starters that can handle the content.
Good video.
Thank you. The difficulty of t17's is a big miss, and it's entirely on the t17 mods. The maps themselves are fine. Not trivial, but not absurd. The t17 mods come in and crank everything up to 11.
I really want to help you. So here goes. When the northern hemisphere of our planet has summer, the southern hemisphere (Where Australia, Brazil, New Zealand can be found) have winter. July is most commonly the coldest month. This is why in December, a summer month, there is vacation. It is hot so, no frozen gravity harnesses. :)
That can't be!
This was the first league I crafted multiple six-link items and I just had a really good time. Note that I started the league very late so a lot was patched by then thanks to early player feedback.
- 3 atlas trees? Huge W
-easy early 6 links for noobs like me? W
-ctrl + shift + left click. W
-forcing league mechanics via atlas? W
I blocked the lantern on the left side of my tree and ended up blasting anyway without embers or dragging modifiers around before every map. I didn't go 40/40 on the challenges, I don't know the game well enough for that, but I had a good time. That said, I've already wrapped up my season. There's not much left that I want to do so I'd just be grinding away for idk what.
True, there's a lot to like in this league and patch. We can only hope they learn some of the important lessons from this league and add on them in Patch 3.25!
"gravity harnesses" !! that's gold. :)
Thank you, thank you.
I tried out LS champ you recommended last league. tankiest build I've played.
Excellent!
I will miss the more deterministic crafting, this league I had a great time in SSF. For context I have tons of quads and solo stash tabs so I didn't relate to the inventory issues.
True and fair.
The point about it being complex but not deep is so important because that's what ggg has been pushing with PoE 2.
But you're right this is completely counter to that philosophy.
Edit) I know it would require a huge rebalance but what about just more scarab slots?
More scarab slots would be fun!
Scarabs felt mandatory. And I thought Mark does not want a mechanic to feel mandatory.
Maybe they'll expand on Unwavering Vision a bit in the coming league, but that's probably not too likely.
3.17 core was peak, idk why don't they realize that and take inspiration from it
True.
Saying that it was easy to craft good items is a bit disingenuous. That's something only the top 1% can say. No one can understand it without understanding core crafting mechanics and what is actually valuable. This league shows you why crafting is already good enough and is suffering from bloat. People need currency to drop to craft with and it seems they trying to reduce the amount of spam crafting but people didn't look at it this way. They need to reduce the grind in some manner so you aren't stuck on one build the whole league if you are more casual. I don't mind crafting but it shows how people view the time sink. The.corpse system was superior to conventional crafting methods but crafting as a whole is very random. It feels really bad to spend all your time trying to learn something only to be let down because it didn't work out. It makes you feel as if you made no progress. As long as a divine can drop, people will participate in the rat race and it makes for a healthier economy despite inflation or not. It keeps people playing.
That's fair. It definitely isn't easy to craft a high-tier item with the Necropolis, it's time-consuming and annoying-but it's VERY inexpensive compared to most standard crafting methods, and you have vastly more control over crafting than you would with any other method available in the post-Harvest state of the game.
Are you being serious? Corpses drop easily compared to crafting mats and doing it the normal way. I made a lot of good triple fractured t1 ele bows. Made a lot of other good stuff too. All of which you can't do or get normally.
Lol. look like you dont know what you are talking about. The amount of 6xT1 items with multiple fractures in this league could be more than the entire Standard league right now :D
Quick comparation, by crafting stuff myself.
It cost me 4 days to finish an endgame build last league 3.23 with a ton of currency drop
And it cost me half of a day to make the same build, even better.
But that's fair to your perspective. Not everyone likes crafting. To me, running same content day by day is boring. I like to try out many builds in the league, and this corpse league help me out with that.
Yeah those damn filled coffins blocking legitimate loot. Who thought that would be fun?
YUP!
I absolutely loved this League. Not for the league itself or grave yard. But I like to delve, I am able to put in 1 sulphate all flame and 1 sulphate doubling scarab and in less than 1 t10 map I was maxed. First league I was able to completely ignore mapping and do what I like sooner and longer. 10/10 would play again.
Well said!
For new league I'm going hoping they make easy craft item repice for all class. Because new player like me noobs even watch alots videos. I can only buy stash tabs . I'm cant craft item
Time to farm!
My guy nz and aus are in summer in december its winter now think of it like this if its winter for you its summer for us and vice versa you know the world is round and rotates around a sun and you know seasons change haha but i found what you said amusing haha
Woah, the world is round? This changes everything! 😁
Ill just blame a NA education on your apparent lack of knowledge about northern versus southern hemisphere seasons.
Wait, there's a Southern Hemisphere?
1st
2nd, really
Shill detected. Or an npc. The game was un dog shape before this league, and they basically said screw it and scrambled the game like eggs and can never be undone. Thisnis poe 1 btw. Not poe. Poe died years ago.
So play another game?
@PathofEvening every game is dog shit. Devs are putting out trash games or ruining their old games, like classic wow, poe 1, poe 2, d4. I've literally gained lbs of muscle instead of playing these trash games. I want them to be good, so i can just veg out and be fat.
But I'm not an npc and just accept whatever trash is put on my plate I actually stop playing and put my wallet. where my mouth is. Unlike you who just bend over for them and pull bs out your as to make them sound good even tho they absolutely fd this game. Sound like msnbc defending brain dead joe
My chat got shadow banned. I'm not writing it out again. I'm right
First League i quit after only 3 weeks, every other i played atleast 5-8 weeks. This time i had no fun with forced mechanics t17 farm was also shit. Econemy was in the bin after 2 weeks and necrocrafting got out of Hand(5 Fracture Items WTF). Chaseitems that where normally 100+ Divs you could get for 10 divs. I like to run after nice items or like to sell good items for a good price but when you get a headhunter the third day of the league and you think nice jackpot and it is only worth 40div you really have to ask you why did GGG hate the old playstyle of chaseitems and Grinding? Its in their name Grinding Gear Games
Yup, this league had some cool concepts, but the crafting system just really missed the mark in a lot of ways.
i enjoy crafting mechanic this league. i can make stupid impossible stuff. my current project of a double influenced helm with spell damage(yes spell damage on a dex helm) and life fracturedfor a base to the ultimate strength stacking helmet. the fact i can boost the league mechanic even farther with atlas map is a huge bonus. if you dont want to spec into the league mechanic then dont. it sounds to me like you dont enjoy it so dont get it, simple. the fact i can choose to remove or amplified the league mechanic with atlas is a great benefit to me. at the end of the day besides trading for corpses this league was amazing
It's true, being able to craft multiple triple-fractured items at once has been amazing for starting up crafting projects.
U are great. For me I'm a beginner in this game now I'm just starting to play for nearly 1 month and don't know all the craft . And keep dying on map tie 14 stack on level 93 rf chieftain
Appreciate your take on this. T17's were really difficult and as a casual player, I got FOMO since I didn't have the gear/build/time to really get to do them. I agree a slight rework of those modifiers would be beneficial and help with that jump from T16's to Ubers.
Am enjoying the channel, thanks for all you do with it!
Thanks for the kind words, glad to help!
6:38 This is the reason I dipped out of the league despite liking legitimately every part of the mechanic. GGG obviously didn't have the testers test in yellow maps and higher or these sorts of interactions would have become obvious.
8:53 This is also the first league I've had a 6x T1 Item. I simply don't play enough during the part of the league where trade hasn't died yet to get enough currency to buy one after they shoot up to 50+div in week two. Let alone a Rog hit or making one myself.
10:35 This is legit a screwup. And again one that should have been caught in even rudimentary testing.
11:50 I mostly ran Back to Basics with all four Necropolis nodes. The game just runs so much smoother with all the mechanics turned off and not randomly dying to the lagspike of loading in new mobs. (Black thumb is a staple in my trees for this reason.)
19:35 I dabbled some with Unwavering Vision when I found that all I was getting was add a mecnaic scarabs...which if I wanted a mechanic I'd 100% it on the tree so were really worthless. You'd think 20 extra points would be really strong...turns out it's just kinda mid even compared to the most common scarabs.
22:40 It now also conveniently lands at about week three in Last Epoch's first post-release 'league'. So a nice timing to really crush their only legitimate competitions retention.
My hopes for 3.25 ...are not the same as yours. I want to see gravecrafting go core without a harvest-style nerf, but be highly optional, probably behind an atlas keystone. With some massive additional restriction to keep 6x T1 items from flooding the market. I'd go so far as to consider a cannot be traded enchant on items from gravecrafting.
The league mechanic on tree experiment is salvageable, but not the way they did it. I'm thinking a Keystone that acts like a timeless jewel for the atlas, transforming one of the other mechanics into the league one.
And the lantern could honestly go core basically as is, now that we've beta tested its interactions for them. Stick it behind an atlas keystone so the people that complained about having to futz with it every map don't have to deal with it.
Timeless jewels on the atlas is a really fun idea!
One thing that REALLY annoyed me this league was the inability to change up stuff after you "activate" the map. You see the lantern stuff and think; oh nice, let me do x and y and z to take advantage of this, but no... everything is locked. That created totally unnecessary fomo-ish feelings. Bad bad bad design, but that's not a foreign concept this league...
True, that was a huge issue.
i personally think the point where you mention you only farm 1 league mechanic nowadays is a non argument. like yes it is true, but if you want to mix it up more often there is literally 3 diffrent strats you can change on a whim now. but mayb thats me not being against supercharging one mechanic.
That's kinda true, and definitely something they were considering when giving players the freedom to swap trees back and forth.
With that being said, it is something a lot of players have complained about, but maybe people just hate change.
december in australia is summer and hot as heck.
Upside down land
he said adult man 👨
Indeed
Keep it up and Im looking forward to the next league as well. I enjoyed Necropolis despite the rocky roads - it’s so nice to see how great GGG is with experimenting new things and using POE 1 like a little playground for POE2.
Very well prepared videos with lots of good, wealthy and helpful information.
Btw for anyone who likes Toxic Rain (of withering) like you do, you might check out my Assassin’s version which is surprisingly the only build on poe ninja this league -> grilleeerr
Since u seem to be experienced with Toxic Rain… is Pathfinder so much stronger? And if so, what’s making the difference to lets say my example/Assassin Toxic Rain?
Stay safe exile ✌️
That's definitely an interesting build idea! Assassin has definitely been left aside by the community in recent patches, and it's really not a bad build. It has VERY limited defensive power, which is the biggest weakness plaguing it, but the offensive power is really, really good, especially for a poison build. One huge offensive advantage that Pathfinder brings (even more than Poison Proliferation if you're playing a poison setup), is the built-in Wither stacks and 50% Increased Wither Effect. Nature's Reprisal is just so, so good for any kind of Chaos damage build. Having permanent flask uptime makes you consistent defensively and keeps you moving very fast all the time, as well.
Being down in the Ranger starting area is really good for a bow build, you don't lose out on passive points travelling down that way, but having played Toxic Rain Tricksters & Champions in the past, non-Ranger TR builds can absolutely work!
really great breakdown, thank you!
Thanks!
I think they dont care about league retention. They make all their money in the first week with starter packs and etc..
Pretty much. They definitely care about players liking the game and having fun, etc., but Chris explicitly said in his GCD talk "Designing Path of Exile to Be Played Forever" that they market toward and emphasize the first few weeks of a league because that's where all of their money is made.
Players make a big deal out of the difference between 30% and 20% player retention at the halfway mark, but you have to figure it's not a huge deal to GGG.
Its 68% on steam, shill
Upvoting your own comments is cringe.
@@PathofEvening not liking it is cringe. They put it there and is an easy thing to do. It's like being offered free money every time you talk but declining to take it. As they say, you have to start the fire, get the bus rolling, etc..
My liked comments is high, anf my likes are high. And I contribute that to me liking my comments and videos first.
I have channels that get thousands of views and it's because I liked, commented and shared myself on the early videos.