HerzHaft Gay short Kurzfilm German (English subs) part 2
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- Опубликовано: 16 сен 2024
- Ralf, Anfang 30, homosexuell, hat eine Affäre. Das ist an sich nichts Ungewöhnliches, schließlich ist Ralf ein gut aussehender Mann, der mitten im Leben steht, beliebt und erfolgreich ist. Doch seine neue Liebe ist erst 15 Jahre alt ...
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The film is about the soccer coach Ralf who comes up against a big problem this day. Torn between reason and longing he fell in love with Felix, a young boy of his soccer team. For several months they are having a secret and forbidden relationship which Ralf hardly can keep in the dark, because Felix likes to provoke him. Ralf's dream bursts like a bubble when suddenly Felix' mother appears at their ambush in an oldtimer hulk in the woods. She demands on him never to see the boy again, otherwise he has to face severe legal consequences. Ralf has to decide
between reason and love.
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Ein gelungener Film, in dem in kurzer Zeit ein gesellschaftlich schwieriges Thema wunderbar und sehr emotionsreich umgesetzt wurde.
Dieser Stoff und das offene Ende regen zum Nachdenken an.
Also, she is kinda religious, not obsessive, but still.
My mum said: "If God made people gay, then he/she has a good reason for that and it would be rather a sin to judge his/her plans."
I simply love my mum.:-)
Great acting.One of the better short films online.
This is so sad because they really did love each other
At 15 you KNOW if you're gay or not.You're born gay end of.--------Some guys don't like to admit it,even to themselves,and as for some family members,their reactions can be very cruel.
In cases like this film I think they should look at things like,how mature is the 15 year old,both in mind and body.
In some countries, this gay short would be a disturbing story about under age sex. But the Germans are more clear eyed on this subject than many others and their laws, as I understand them, are that it is legal for a youth over the age of 14 to have sex with an adult unless either the adult has procured it with benefits or inducements, or the adult is in a relationship with the youth that is inherently capable of being exploited. Such a relationship would be between student and teacher, or in this film, player and coach, where soccer playing Felix is 15 and his adult lover Ralph is his soccer team's coach. Felix's mum sees the relationship between the two males in purely sexual terms, and like most one-eyed mums, regards Ralph as a predator. Blurred lines make this film a good one to watch. Felix knows what he wants; he is physically assertive but not yet emotionally sure of himself. And then there is Ralph, a gay man who has grown fatally attached to the youth. The facts seem to suggest a clear case of immoral behaviour on his part. But the filmmakers deftly pose the question, what if the relationship is one of love? Do we who observe this relationship see genuine bonds of a loving relationship being formed between them, or do we only see lust and sex?
It is nice to read an intelligent comment. When I was 40, and just out of the closet to all, and separated from my wife of 17 years, I met a wonderful young man in his first year of college....he was 18.....25 years ago, it was.....lots of education for family and friends and neighbors. He was/is a wonderful father to OUR two kids who are both grown and now have kids. My son was only 5 at the time......and for the last 25 years, they have skate boarded, surfed all through the years, my partner (now husband), was his little league basketball coach for several years......never had a problem with any parent......everyone loves my guy. We have met so many, many wonderful and amazing friends, neighbors and co-workers and our kids friends parents........they always said, you guys have more love in you than most straight couples we have ever known........ in life, there are all kinds. Love comes in all ages. Unfortunately, in this case, the teacher/coach should have at least put his interest in the young student at hold for a few years. Legal is legal. It is not right to be with someone not legal. Three years go by quick, and if the love is good, it will still be there. One can live in the closet and die, or get out and enjoy their lives. Not the easiest choice, but why live a lie forever.......and what is that new saying........"It gets easier"......and it does.
+Ron Smith Ron, overwhelmed and uplifted by your story and appreciate your comment - 3 years isn't long in the scheme of things (unless you're a 14 year old). Truly pleased to read that you have had an abundance of blessings, when - "there are all kinds" - some among us still have blessings severely rationed.
+mcmanpa ...........I agree totally. You and I could write a book (I am sure)....and so could millions more. When my Paul started work in a big corporatation, at 20, he was always out, and no one could believe we were both gay. Most loved him, and the ones who did not were jealous of him for his work ethic and human being ways.. You are right about blessings being severely rationed.......we both have known many men and women who were disowned by their families. When I started coming out around 35, I met a great group of "just friends", and they welcomed me into their group. They worked in all types of jobs, but all were in the closet at work, as the work places were very straight......one was a Budweiser beer truck driver.....most of them had HIV, and died of AIDS.....and I went to many of their funerals.....most of their parents did not show up. Very sad to have to live with so much hate. The best to YOU. Good chatting with you.
+mcmanpa TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU. CONGRATULATIONS.
*Still looking for gay films with happy endings*
Woe, really good, I think she called the police after all and that is the end of it, no murder like some people think, she just couldn't handle her minor song with the coach. But denial is the first step and get angry the second one right?
Good short! Keep them coming.
Gimme a break. I knew what I wanted/needed at age 10. My attraction to men only grew stronger over the years. Felix's mom was in denial about her son. Period. Also, it was the societal norm not so long ago that people married at age 11 or 12. Now that humans live longer, suddenly society has decided there is a magical age of consent & jails those who dare violate it. I know many couples with 15 or more years between partners. Why do we always assume the younger is being taken advantage of?
Exactly, I used to molest my brothers friends when they stayed at our house at 12 years old ! They either didn't know or liked because they all stayed more than once !
He is not gay,he just misses his dad...Lady, if that why Felix is sleping with him, then i think you have bigger problems than if he is gay or not.
Is there some word play in the title HerzHaft? *Herzhaft* means hearty, which really doesn't make sense here. *Herzlich* can mean heartfelt, which makes more sense. However, *Haft* can mean custody or detention. So I wonder if the title written as *HerzHaft* is meant to suggest *die Haft des Herz,* the detention or entrapment of the heart. In other words, against Ralph's better judgment, his heart was snared by Felix, and Ralph & Felix's hearts have been trapped by the fact that sex between a secondary student & a teacher or coach is forbidden.
Well observed and written!
This is what homophobes do. They'll go all the way out just to destroy someone's life when it not even their business. I hope they'll get their retribution.
Wow, what a total bs the mother is, he help her find her son, even break up with her son and leave them both heartbroken, then she went ahead and call the police...
@MrPassante danke für diesen filmtipp!
hab den film gerade gesehen ... echt unglaublich toll *-* und traurig ...
danke :)
Muito bom! Roteiro, direção e elenco. Amei!
I don't think it show's how life should be ideally for those who have gone through "that" stage, but rather for some people still going through it. I think that some people with their raging hormones can understand it well. BTW: I speak okay German.. and it was entertaining, even without subs. :)
@plutogirllovekj I would have NO ISSUE but the depiction here is the MOTHER knew of the relationship between her her son and this older person, he apparently chose to have relations with. The age of consent in Germany is 14, as long as a person over the age of 21 does not exploit a 14-15 year-old person's lack of capacity for sexual self-determination. You can look up the laws in Germany. Love is blind and no, people who have relations with a younger person does not mean they are "mental"
I might be wrong on this, but I think that Felix called the police as a revenge on Ralf , 'cos he let him down (in Felix' opinion).
no. if you look more carefully, the mother is dialing 110 in the end.
Ye, David made a very good point. Thing is, most people are sexually fully developed by the age of 13-14 (more or less). Most adults might not wanna get with a 15yo cuz of the different level of maturity, hence lack of compatibility, but that doesn't make it a peadophelic act. A 15yo is not a kid, they are perfectly able to choose for themselves. In uk the age of consent is 16, but seriously, is there much of a difference between a 16yo and a 15yo? When it comes to sexuality, things are never ..
Hate, confusion, denial are what this woman is all about. She cannot accept that her son "ist shwuler" and gay people deal with this dynamic in their young lives from their elders all the time. Sometimes, quite frequently sadly, the gay young person is told by their parents "to get out, and never come back" or they run away, which results in being exposed to the dark side of life on the streets, homelessness, prostitution, drugs, sexual abuse, etc to name just a few dynamics.
Apparently it's impossible. It's like a rule: gay short films HAVE to finish badly. It's demoralizing... Young gays on utube will think they'll never be happy!
.. black and white, there's always a very fine line, so the law should be flexible too, and analyse case by case, rather than applying a rigid legal frame to all cases, without distinction. ( @Justaonte: i think even in ancient times people didn't die at 35... more like 50...)
if it happened in Netherlands, maybe it will be happy ending i guess... I like this short film!
I very much agree with DCLsMusic. very true words.
please look at the beginning.. how did that happened if the police arrested the coach and the mother still separated them after the incident, i think the scene in the beginning is happening after the sad part of the movie..
I guess that can't happen before they we're caught of having a relationship by the mother..
^^ just curious..
Als Coach und Erwachsener hat er nun mal eine besondere Verwantwortung den Jugendlichen gegenüber. Er hat Vorbildfunktion. Dass er dabei bewundert, ja vielleicht begehrt wird, damit muss er umgehen können. Aber wenn er sich auf eine Love Affair mit einem unter 16 einlässt, muss er wissen, dass das kriminell ist. Sorry, so ist das Gesetz.
Man darf nicht mit Feuer spielen! Es war von Ralf unverantwortlich sich mit ein 15 jähriger einzulassen!
der f ist echt klasse und zeigt, ss das Leben viel komplizierter ist, als Gesetzte. Soweit ich weiß, die Beziheung nicht ab 14, sondern ab 15 erlaubt
Och nö, warum müssen schwule Kurzfilme eigentlich immer ein offenes Ende haben? Der Film ist echt klasse, aber ich hasse es, am Schluss so alleine gelassen zu werden... -.-'
schön
Leider gibt es immer noch viele solche Menschen, die denken, dass es einen anderen Grund gäbe, dass ihr Sohn mit einem anderen Jungen Sachen probiert.
I just want to thank my mum here...:-)
I am so lucky to have her.....When I was 16 SHE asked me: Are you gay?" And I said: "And if I was, would that be something bad?" And she replied: "Noooo, I am good with you, if you are happy."
My mum is the best......I even had not to tell her...I mean she knew it and asked me.....:-) how cool is that...???
That's cool really...
Wow. What a mother, they aldy broke up. But letting her son goes through the trial will make him more damage than anything else :(
Moral of the story= underage is not ok, gay or straight or whatever
Great video, thanks for sharing. It might be a good idea to post a link in the first video's about section to this second part.
think of how proud his mother would be if he knocked someone his own age and he had a wonderful child he would have to take care of rest of his life - anything better than having sex with an older male- every mother deserves a stud for a son
That mom is so ruthless
Man if I was that boy I would've found a way to go to jail with him, or just move to another country with him, or fake my age...
gott ist das traurig ich heule :,( kein happy end *heul*
@OneMileyCyrusFanVlog that's not uncommon^^ like, i'm gay, too, i'm 17 and i'm with a 26 year old^^ i mean in germany it's normal that a 15 year old is with a 22-25 year old, why not 30?^^
@kokoshnetuna
you do have a point there. there is a similar law regarding position of power in germany. also, the ending just shows that police was called.
nevertheless, i am really fond of this short because it gives only a very brief look into their relationship but leaves a lot of room for speculation. i understand from all those controversial comments that you simply can't analyse their situation in a nutshell.
Schade das es nie weiter ging und man gesehen hat wie es ausgegangen ist
It is very dangerous to blame on an adult for no reason because the parent knew it is her or his fault to not to show his or her affectionate for her or his child so I have no idea if in another country law is properly about between contextual or violations of sex underage.they need to know first before they make their mistakes to calling cops.
He could also wait until his boyfriend get little bit older, which is better, I think. :)
Trigert mich voll. Als ich 29 war verliebte ich mich in einen Praktikanten auf der Arbeit. Er war 17. Wir hatten einige Jahre Kontakt bis alles ein böses Ende nahm . Er ist bis heute, viele Jahre später, der Mensch den ich am meisten liebe. Immer noch 💔
Come on... Maybe the problem is not that the boy is gay but that he is just 15 and that man is 30? If a boy was a girl i think it would be nearly the same
Ich mag auch keine traurigen Enden bei sowas :(
super film, leider ein trauriger Schluß
You are very right. But, you see I'm not saying it's up to older people to be considerate, I am saying the law should be. So like, ok, let's pick "16" ad the legal age of consent as a general guide line, but the law should also analyse every single case to make, cuz there will be exceptions to the rule.
@douglaslloydbuchholz...and please do NOT assume that by "younger person" I meant anyone UNDER the age of consent. I do NOT condone abuse or exploitation of anyone, young or old etc. My point was and is, that when I posted the first response to this video, It is a FACT that homosexual children, young people and older people are "looked upon" as pedophiles and sexual exploiters. Which is not ther reality. Heterosexually oriented people classify and abuse people not of their own way.
No! I can bet if there was part3, they will be together! oh, i don't like the sad ending. <
I agree with you:)
Who the hell said a 15 year old couldn't fall in love with an older man!?? Spiderman? God? Mary Poppins? Who cares?? I hate all of this pre-made values... everyone should be able to live their lives according only to their own values. Love has no color, sex, age... love is love.. that's all folks... everyone should live their own freaking lives and leave everyone else the fxck alone!
I guess that felix made a suicide, she call the police(look how they behave, ralf will go to the court of justice not being called to see what had happened).
@PeaceOfTruth And i doubt the whole reason why he is into the coach is because he lost his dad or w.e.
i can't believe i just watch this i should really stop watching gay themed movies
love doesnt know age i am 33 and my partner now is 24 and now r almost 4 years togather if u respect and treat each other good it will the best and i think this kid maybe more happy with coach than with his mother which she's also a lesbian.
you are right it would have been better if he got a girl is own age pregnant so she could abbort it or him having to support it for the rest of his life
Weiß jemand, oder glaubt es zu wissen , wo der Film spielt?
Older man handled the situation very badly...he was too caught up with the kid.
OH MY STAR..... I HATE THE ENDING..
Ist ja ein doofes ende :(
The lesson; Hands off under age boys or girls!
Deeply inappropriate. He deserved the consequences
i read your comment before i got to the end. im at 3:00 now. i know theres gonna be a bad ending, i dont know what but its gonna be bad.
@Jantessa nicht jeder, wie du, kann die andere Meinung hören, akzeptieren und wenigstens teilweise sein Unrecht zugestehen-mein Respekt! Und ich verstehe deine Gefühle. bin sicher, dir wird dieser toller Film (findest du bei RUclips suf Deutsch) "Prayers for Bobby - Russell Mulcahy · Hang On - Plumb" gefallen
THE ENDING SUCKED. TWAS A GOOD FLICK UNTIL THEN.
Read the summary... He was only 15!
Does German law not have special statutes for adults who are in a ‘position of power or influence’ over the young person in question? Ralf was Felix’ coach-that’s a position of power, and one that would likely have made the police take action (in Denmark, at least).
Remember, the ending doesn’t say anything about whether or not Ralf goes to gaol or is even ultimately punished. It just says that the police react to the call (which surely they would have in any case, even if it’s later dropped).
aaaahhh no entendi mucho este cortometraje alguien podria ponerle subtitulos en español por favor.
I do german at skwl and i am i top set and i dint understandt a freakin word of this
The ending is sad
@MyBeautifuLiar
That's why i'm still confused on why she called him in. Her preceding actions don't lead to her final act (the call). I feel like she new she had a gay son, she didn't seem to be in denial...
warum hab ich jetzt das bedürfnis ein paar homophobe meiner kettensäge hallo sagen zu lassen?
diese mutter widert mich an.
@MrSKINFLICK
Poldy ist bisexuell? Woher hast du denn diesen Quatsch?
@crossbike
das gesetz hat fehler, dass wissen wir doch ALLE. wir können auch nicht einfach so tun, als wäre das NICHT so. liebe kann nicht verboten werden! klar, hat er vorbildfunktion und verantwortung. aber was ist mit EIGENVERANTWORTUNG? ja, der 15 jährige hat auch verantwortung. von 4-99, so sagt man, ist man auch auf sich selbst gestellt. man hat dann diese eigenverantwortung. wenn es liebe ist, ist es liebe. und wenn er nur sex wollte, musste der 15 jährige ja nicht mit machen!
where da hell da english subs at???
Is Ralph (or Ralf) helping or hurting Felix by being in this relationship with him? Felix clearly wants to be with Ralph. While my first reaction is that this relationship cannot be in Felix's best interests, the point of the film is that in this case the answer is unclear. Nevertheless, even if the laws in Germany allow such a relationship between an adult and a 15-y.o., I'm sure the school forbids the staff to have sex with their students-a policy I see as absolutely necessary. I suspect Ralph is going to have to look for work elsewhere and not in secondary education or coaching youngsters.
alwaysuseless you make a very good point about their relationship. However I doubt that Ralf is one of his teachers, as in Germany you hardly have varsity teams. He should just be his coach at a local football club. Which still could be seen as abusing his position towards minors though...
Vous avez sans doute raison. "Mais la raison n'est pas ce qui règle l'amour".
EL POLLO LOCO!
If the child is 16 or below, I understand, but any above (any age over they can think for them self) and it's the child that started then you'll go over board by calling the police instead of talking to your child, and pretty much just making thing worst.
@xfantasmicx
yeah you may be right! however, as we see the mother pick up the phone i believe the director wanted to suggest she is calling the police.
@1981ledzep
sorry, aber wozu ist das Gesetz da? Es ist zum Schutz der Jugendlichen gemacht worden. Jeder Erwachsene muss das respektieren. Wenn der Coach den Jungen für seine sexuelle Lust missbraucht hat, dann ist das verdammt nochmal kriminell. Warum hat er sich nicht damit begnügt, dem Jungen "nur" ein guter Freund zu sein? So eine Art Vaterersatz.
iF this would happened in US that coach now washing dishes in a f..ed up restaurants.....
no it as the mum..cause you can see how she's calling "110" and thats "911" in germany
sad end... on purpose I guess.
Wasn das fürn Käse? ô_o Er hat das mit ihm doch beendet, wie sie es wollte. Wasn das für ne Mutter? Der arme Felix! Und am Ende isser doch schwul und für sie is das dann right in za face. Aber er weiß, dass er mit den Sorgen sowieso nicht zu seiner Mum gehen kann. Voll dumm. Und der arme Ralf. Dabei kann er ja nix für, wenn er sich in nen 15-jährigen verliebt. Dass man bei 15 auch immer tun muss, als wären die noch 8... ô_o Ach ich laber nur rum...
@Jantessa Danke auch für die rückmeldung
I know, I was replying to your comment.
@flyimgjohn
i dont believe she realised felix was gay. i believe she just had a different interpretation of her son's room, that's why she wanted ralf to see it. clearly, it could be described normal that boys have posters of their sports idols on the wall. probably it is not that common for a 15 year old anymore. so felix mother must still have seen his boyish room as a sign of his inmaturity, when in fact he might just have those posters because he feels attracted to them.
What the...Such a stupid and terrible ending ! He had found her son then she called 110 to arrest him ??? Because of their love ? because she is the boy's mother so she can do that terrible thing and call it good for her son ?
Traurig...
@MrPassante ich weiß die kettensägensache war ebenfalls sehr intolerant ... bei rückblickender betrachtung spricht daraus nur das unverständnis solcher reaktionen auf menschliche gefühle :D
@rjdbrjnb i don't get it what do you mean? Why can't the happen before he was arrested?
so sad :(
@mithan2010 oh yes you're right, I somehow missed the part with the mother at the table with the phone right beside her. I should pay more attention :-)
@mithan2010 I think so, too. At the tea cup scene the telephone lays on the left side to his mother. She even looks at it. And the fingers just didn't look like the fingers of him.
@mithan2010 You're right. You can see her dialing 11 and then drawing down to the 0 - 110 is the number for the police in Germany.
wann kommt teil 3
@tinbird
sorry aber wenn man sieht wie sehr ihr sohn ihn liebt dann kann man doch nicht so herzlos sein und ihm seine liebe wegnehmen.
sie hätte nicht die polizei anrufen müssen, da es nur auf antrag verfolgt wird wenn der junge ein jahr älter ist kann sie nix machen.
lol
@HalfofMyInnerme Im majoring in psychology, I probably no more about sociology than u do...
Im just saying... age difference doesn't matter, as long as the ppl involved are ADULTS
@masprpvr ..u should see at the transcript below the video..=)