r/maliciouscompliance | Engineers *DIDN'T* Listen To Me!
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Corporate mentality
“This isn’t broke. How can we break it?”
For freaking real though, my thoughts as well.
The problem is that the Branch Manager was straight out of training. This means he hadn't learned that company policy isn't always to be followed. His background was in enforcing company policy. It appears that upper management setup their own downfall. He was simply doing what he was trained to do.
Megalus Doomslayer
True he was.
The point still stands because upper management thought it would be a good idea to put a manager fresh out of training into a high level management position with no on site training/shadowing.
Don't you mean "If it ain't broke, let's fix that!"?
Also corporate mentality
“We’re making lots of money. How can we pinch pennies to make more money?”
Have a similar story but in reverse, old guy who had worked in the field for years and young engineer ,first job out of school. The company I worked for contracted HVAC work at our local military bases. We had a contract to do the duct work at a building renovation. They were adding a second floor to an existing building. In the drawing it showed 8 in round ducts feeding air into each room but when we examined the job we discovered that it was 8 in oval. No where was there room to run round pipe. My boss who had worked in the duct design before the Korean war ,started doing calculations on his tablet and discovered that they were going to be short about 2 tons of AC. Next was the big shouting match with the site engineer ,who claimed to have done the calculations himself. When my boss showed him the difference in air flow between round and oval pipe the engineer claimed they were the same because if you ran a tape around round pipe and oval pipe you get the same measurement. I thought I saw steam coming out of my bosses head when he calmly picked up a short piece of 8 in round ,handed the engineer his tape measure . Stomped on the pipe smashing it flat. He then looked at the engineer and said, guess what, if you measure it now you still will get the same outside measurement BUT HOW MUCH F>>>KING AIR is going through it. Boss would spend hours showing how to do things but never suffered fools very well. Once he realized he was dealing with a fool they were done.
Some bean counters can figure you can save money by not feeding your horse. Works for a couple of days so at first it looks good on the report. By the end of a month, unexpected problems arise such as dead horses don't complete the work they used to.
Reminds me of EA and Activision. They're so much after short time groth, they will destroy not only themselves but a wide industry once the bubble bursts.
@@HappyBeezerStudios Reminds me of marvel, they essentially killed the entire comic book industry (it's still around but makes peanuts compared to what it used to) the only reason they survived was because of moving into movies and there incredible mass (they once had around 80% of the comic book industry), unfortunatly when banks go bust it's not the bankers that starve so they survived while most other comic book companies died.
Bean counters know the price of everything and the value of nothing. And that manager can be best described as an arrogant, ignorant, idiot asshole.
Running companies into the ground for short term profit can be extremely profitable though, as long as you got a way to get out before/when it collapses.
@@VampireNewl
Not quite, what's killing the comics and Marvel Movies is a change in philosophy. They are trying to execute social engin8eering like the idea of women having the same rights as men or African Americans having the same rights as whites. They are not in a position to force people to accept their philosophy. Comic book readers stopped reading comics, the new target audience didn't replace those that left. Marvel makes a few minor changes and reboots the title to worse results. Wait and see what the box office is for the next avenger movie. When the movie listings come out see how many times "The Rise of Skywalker" appears and how many other movies are playing at the theater.
Some idiots would cook the goose that lays golden eggs or the cash cow.
i WaNt A gOoSe ThAt LaYs GoLdEn EgGs
More like complaining about how much the goose eats, feeding it less and then being surprised when it lays fewer eggs.
@David McConville No.
You have two caws and sell the milk.
One dies (lightening strike or illness), so just add water to make-up the difference.
Socialist cow economics: You have two cows until the political leaders slaughter them to provide meat for their own use.
Communist cow economics: All the cows died ages ago from lack of feed then were butched to feed the political leaders.
If that engineer hadn't been so full of himself, he would have said, "Holy cow, you're right. Good catch, kid."
Yah our streets being ripped up right now after they just finished it because the pipes aren't deep enough down (needed to be 4-5ft deeper)
They could even use it to make themselves look good.
Engineer in front of council: "I've been staying in touch with our contractors and listening to their concerns. Minor mistakes in design on projects this big are both easy to slip through and can be expensive to fix.Thanks to the experienced contractors we've hired and my office working with them to, we've identified and corrected "X" number of design flaws that would have cost millions to resolve. The number of corrections that will be needed is looking to be well below the average for projects like this."
Competent people welcome constructive criticism.
Yeah, new hospital here locally was just built with no way to get the MRI, and other large diagnostic equipment inside...
@@Crosshair84 The only problem is *that engineer was an incompetent nincompoop!!*
An engineering disaster was avoided in NYC just because a student double checked the math, and pointed out that it was wrong on a skyscraper.
That's the one where they had to go in and covertly weld all the nuts on the entire building, right?
@@NarwahlGaming yup
I think I heard of that, the problem was that the building would fall over at like 70 mph winds right? With the weird stilts?
I have a relative who has a situation similar to the last story. A key employee came up for retirement. My nephew advised his supervisors that the company needed to start looking for a replacement ASAP. They didn't listen. The retiring guy had something like 30 years of total experience in what HE did. The replacement employee was NOT hired in time to learn everything that the retiring guy did or knew. The 30 year guy left about 2 or 3 weeks ago.There are now problems. Some people in the company location didn't EVEN know that the 30 year guy was GONE. Show up at the desk and ask my relative about WHERE IS "D". THIS is how companies go belly-up real quick.
The first story makes me sick. That level of incompetence enrages me, especially when it's the tax payers (us) who end up footing the bill. Never assume someone knows what they're doing simply because they have a title. Morons are everywhere & the truly scary thing is.... they looks just like us & sometimes, you can't figure them out until the damage is already done.
The lesson here is simple:
If someone on the project contacts you with a problem... at least listen to them!
And in the end, it's the City Councillors who get the brunt of the backlash by a dissatisfied electorate. Meanwhile, the Engineer and Planner can bungle on somewhere else, unless someone puts a tight leash on them...
In relation to the first story, I work as a an engineer for municipal wastewater.
Let me tell you, calculating Total Dynamic Head from pipe friction loss, minor losses, elevation, etc. is one of the most basic checks that need to be made when deciding what kind of pump you need for your system.
All you have to do is create a model in Water/SewerCad or hell even an excel spreadsheet works if you know the equations and how to set it up and you will have your total dynamic head.
All it takes to confirm that kids suspicions is to open up the file and run the model you've made, like 5 minutes tops.
I get this "engineer" just scribbles stuff on napkins and doesnt keep record of anything.
Total amateur hour and failure to properly represent/protect the municipality from financial loss.
It's impossible to tell, but I really feel that some form of nepotism was at work here. $20 says that Engineer was the brother-in-law/cousin of a council member.
Before water/sewercad perhaps, but not before spreadsheets.
No worries, that engineer has probably been fired for incompetence for not at least listening to that expert in that field, and may have lost his engineering license.
Unfortunately, I doubt the city council had the math skills to understand. The engineer could have just said the kid was lying and covering got his family. He should have gotten one of his professors to analyze the project and submit that as supporting evidence.
@@choreomaniac Well, those documents would have a date/time stamp on them however or should. And if it was sent to city hall as well, they'd have their own copy, also with a date/time stamp.
I honestly dont get where people get egos. I'm always assuming I'm doing it all wrong.
same, and it is not on rare events where it end as utter devastators.
Ditto. I feel like there’s a group of people who absorb confidence and assurance while we’re left in the dust of doubt. Which I mean both have pros and cons, but seriously egos go this far?
i once had a guy i know through a classic car club tell me how to rebuilt an automotive generator, and he KNEW i was a component level trained service technician, (at the least he could have asked if i knew how to do it).
i told him i had had a sex change, not a lobotomy. i was Andrew when he 1st met me, and i married a woman he had known for 30 years.
Look up the Dunning-Kruger effect.
Well first of all, tell yourself that you are the best person in the world and everyone else is a troglodyte. Continue this daily affirmations and in no time at all you too can be an egotistical jerk.
Thats the thing though, if a child raises a concern you should view it as a teaching moment. After allowing the child to walk you through why they are concerned you can show them errors in their reasoning, or accept yours. You're both better people after this.
...Engineers need to read the Evil Overlord List, perhaps? Perhaps the bit about 'Keep a 5yr old child on staff. If they discover holes in your Grand Plan, put it on hold until they are corrected.'
Please breed!
The world needs people like you to raise the next generation, cause a lot of parents have refused to learn this....
@@lostbutfreesoul we need people like him in charge of everything. Recently I read where at a school dance no is not an option only yes. School policy to protect against broken hearts.
Some random kid tells you that your doing something wrong? Ignore them. That kid proceeds to explain in detail what you are doing wrong and even tells you how to fix it. Should probably pay attention.
There is a memetic disease that some people catch in business school. It goes something like “by cutting everything we can from the operation, we will maximize profits!”
What makes it a mental illness and not merely a flawed strategy is it is accompanied by a complete inability to distinguish between trimmable fat and necessary muscle or bone. And even the trimmable fat serves a useful purpose, since that’s how your business survives recessions and unforeseen disruptions in your market.
The CEO and upper management are the most expendable in the typical business, because while some management is necessary, management does not bring money in or move whatever the company’s product is. Victims of that memetic disease are utterly incapable of realizing this, so they will happily cut out the people who do the most to make the business work first. When revenues naturally slump, they cut more of those people that the business cannot do without. When the cuts cause the slump to get larger, they believe they didn’t cut enough the first two times and cut even more.
Left unchecked, an energetic idiot like that can drive even the most profitable business into bankruptcy.
seen it happen. Admittedly there was a lot of fat to cut at the start, but then they kept cutting and cutting and they now wonder why the non compliance fines are so high. To be honest a terrible accident cannot be far away, when someone too stressed makes a really bad judgement call, (so I am better off gone)
My mother's workplace (a radiology center)
Is going through a similar situation as the last story.
A lot of staff were fired for being old or 'superfluous'
Now there are very few people in her department that have to do triple the amount of work in half the time they used to.
Some doctor stopped having lunch breaks because he could not get all of his work done, he eats only dinner anymore is what he told mom.
The head of the department is breathing down everyone's necks to do work while they are already overloaded on, then complain that nobody can keep to the schedule.
Several people have transferred to different hospitals to escape the tyranny.
And not to mention the pay and weekday work cuts.
They say mom is maxed out in her pay when she still is under the payment maximum by 12%, yet pay new hires in management 20% above maximum payment of the floor and machine operators. Management people who have no idea what is going on with the stress situation of the technicians and therapists.
So yeah, corporations who don't know what the previous companies did suck.
Deliberately overworking medical personnel like that is terrifying, when you consider the numbers involved. People talk about how dangerous guns are and how Something Must Be Done, especially about those terrible assault weapons.
But the thing is, medical malpractice is about 18000 times more likely to cause death or serious injury than one of the dreaded assault weapons, and about 30 times more likely than a bullet from ANY gun.
I am a radiologist, and I know what you mean. Radiology is a "profit center", meaning it generates a lot of money. That attracts greedy corporate types. There is no solution from your mother's perspective. It will continue to get worse until something forces a change. Like bankruptcy. They are forced to pay new hires more, because experienced workers won't stay. They will be a revolving door forever.
Tell your mother to look for another job. There is no solution from the perspective of a worker.
@@christianlibertarian5488 my mom is what others would call undesirable because of her age.
She really does not have anywhere else to go,
@@krystalendermalie1361 Sorry to hear that. I wish I could offer some comfort or advice, but my personal experience is not good. Just wish her my best, and let her know she is not alone.
"How could we make it more profitable? I know, let's ruin the staff!"
Heyyyyyyyyy, that's exactly how I ended up working for another company after being at my old one 15 years!
That's exactly the problem. Companies don't want to expand, to find more customers, the normal way to make more profit but they try to cut cost because that's easier and brings numbers faster.
That 1st story is exactly what happens when ego gets in the way of experience or great ideas. I tell my crew members that if they think they have a better idea about a problem, please share it. The buck stops with me, but I don’t have all the answers. I will be the 1st person to tell the manager that the ‘good idea’ that solved the issue came from an apprentice or whoever.
Huh - listens to her crew, doesn't steal credit, takes responsibility - guys, I think we've found the unicorn of bosses:)
All kidding aside Rachel, you sound like the best kind of boss. I bet your crew are more loyal than most because of how you do things. If more bosses were like you, and fewer were a-holes, I the world would be a better place.
I love how companies are always eager to buy really successful smaller companies and then IMMEDIATELY screw up everything that had been going right.
That second story made me rage a little. That branch manager will continue to 'fail upwards' and eventually be ruining companies from an executive position. Every time you see 'we want 5 years of experience and 30 credentials' for an entry level position, a jackass like him is responsible.
That last story makes me legit angry because I hate it when New companies comes in and try to improve stuff but makes it worse for everyone involved.
If something works, don't break it.
Business management 101 is there are 2 areas you can control when you need to increase profit: decrease hours, increase prices.
Usually the increase in prices isn't too bad and goes over ok and isn't taken personally by customers. But, the hours people work are counted on by employees. And when corporate, or management, doesn't take that into account they're basically saying "we care more about profit than we do you or our customers." Most don't realize that's exactly what they're saying.
We recently hired on a few more people to lighten the load our understaffed store had on a daily basis and to improve customer service. Well, you can imagine that even though sales increased almost double within a month, hours were cut. And you can guess what began happening. Tasks not being finished, orders not handled carefully bc we were all in a hurry and struggling to get it all done within our allotted time. So losses increased as merchandise was damaged often, and orders weren't doubled checked so losses increased there, as well, due to having to reorder the correct items. Workers getting hurt trying to handle something bc they were in a rush. So then loss of staff, temporarily.
I never completely understand this.
It's frustrating to work for management who thinks their title equals experience. I find it easier to argue with a brick wall.
First week of engineering school: "if you're on the work floor, dont assume you know better than the labourers that have worked there for sometimes 30+ years cuz it's gonna backfire for sure."
Wow...
I had someone tell me once that the company he worked for actually had no limit to vacation/personal/sick days. So long as you got your work done and didn't screw anyone else over, you could take as many or as few as you wanted. Averaging them out for the year, it still came out to the same cost as having set vacation days. I was like "That's doing it smart!"
in fact, it tends to cut vacation and sick days in half if you do it correctly (=adjust the workload so that everything just about gets done if everybody works their normal times). It turns the problem of management having to find a way to find someone to cover for the work into that of the team who now just has to pick up the slack. wich means unpaid overtime and most of the time any frustrations will be directed at the missing employee rather than management.
That last story, I would have asked the moron manager who thought folk would work OT for free: "Do YOU work for free?"
Also as Jim Sterling has said repeatedly of corporations, it's not enough for them to make a good profit or even an excellent profit. They want to make ALL the profit ALL the time.
he probably does. Working lots of what is technically unpaid overtime generally comes with working higher management, offset by the generous salaries they get.
I've been in the position as to has to explain why the engineer was incorrect, when I was selling industrial fans and equipment. I had to show them I had a degree as well, when I was in my twenties.
The thing about sick days and PTO...seems most places now are combining the two...like if you'd get 5 sick days a year and 5 days of PTO ( IE a 'weeks' vacation ) nowadays it's just 5 days total of sickpay/PTO. Been working jobs through temp agencies and a thing that seems to have become prevalent for those of us doing assembly/manufacturing jobs is you get the job and told after say 5 months of good attendance/performance you'll be eligible to go full time ( IE hired on from the temp agency to the company, earning benefits and PTO, holiday pay etc ). But for the last 3 years or so it seems once you get within a month of that magic number you're gonna get let go. Lately the excuse seems to be 'There's been a slow down in work so we have to let temps go'. Only when I go job hunting after being let go with no warning I'll see brand new listings from the same place for the exact same job I was let go from...apparently temps are cheaper than hiring on people full time anymore.
The odds of finding a good manufacturing company to work for these days, that actually gives a shit about it's employees, are worse than winning the lottery, and then getting struck by lightning on a clear day. The odds are so infinitesimally small, that it may as well be zero.
NightmareMindset but they exist...
Good luck getting a job at one, but I know a small workshop that makes manufacturing equipment and had a cool staff and boss.
Hewlett Packard did this to me.... we worked 11 months, 29 days, and then were laid off for a month, so they didnt have to pay any benefits, as we weren't "full time" employees..
@Mike G I know, right? Like at least give me the option to keep working at the temp rate instead of just kicking me out the door with no warning. It would suck but still be better than suddenly being jobless and scrambling to get a new job before I can't pay the rent
The "bean counter mentality" manager needs to understand this simple formula: Billable hours - Overhead = Net Profit There are TWO variables to consider, not just ONE. Obviously not a MATH genius.
Second story is pretty much why you never let the finance department run a company.
Unless I missed something in the first story. All contact with the engineer and planner were done via fax and phone.... Why was the age an issue when they would have no means of gauging his age? If I answer the phone to "Yes hello this is John Smith of Smith industrial construction" How on Earth would I know he's only 17?
He probably sounds young so they just assumed he didn't know what he was doing. You can probably guesstimate ages if you're on the phone for a long time.
James Warden this is true, plus I’d bet that the engineer asked what his qualifications were and he said he spent 3 minutes talking with the planner, so probably brought up why the engineer wouldn’t listen to him
@@starkiller1289 Fair enough but again if I answer the phone to "Yes this is John Smith of Smith industrial construction" and I am expecting a call from John Smith of Smith industrial construction I would assume that John Smith of Smith industrial construction is in fact part of said business and disregard what I perceive a voice on a phone sounds like and treat him as an expert as that is what he is.....
@@moneytalks1219 Maybe YOU might, but there are 7 billion humans on this planet & many of them arent worth the air they breath.
@@DarkFlamesDarkness the others know that the correct word is "breathe".
This corporate crap is the equivalent of having a golden goose, getting a golden egg, killing the goose to get an extra egg and then being surprised that there are no more eggs.
I have met more than a few people for whom it was more important to them that their policies, plans and positions were acknowledged as being right than actually being correct. If they heard anything different, they would verbally or covertly attack the ones who said it. It didn't matter if their flawed policies would destroy a company or project, just that their position was right. They would blame everyone and everything other than themselves when those policies didn't work. Unfortunately, some of these individuals were the ones running the company, or in supervisory positions where they would cause a lot of damage. It seemed everyone else paid the price except for them.
*sigh* Why do companies do this? They move in on a company that's showing good profits because it's a good investment--then once they're in charge they start CHANGING EVERYTHING. If you BOUGHT the company out because it was already PROFITABLE, why would you CHANGE it and ruin that profitability?
One word ego
normal people: if it ain't broke, don't fix it
corporate managers: if it ain't broke, brake it
YEAH exactly, seen it to many times.
As a Tech, I love the first story... I'm a senior tech and I still listen to junior techs, they tend to keep up with new releases better than my old ass.
Or "Let's outsource this department! We're getting quotes that are fractions what we budget!"
Usualy because that outsource is pretty s*** compared to the department you own...
You also loose a lot of control, and as a result, twnd to loose customers, and income...
"Oh but the savings will be bigger than the losses."
No they won't. They never are, and likely never will be. Just because you think you're hard enough, and that it's another attempt will be different, doesn't change anything. That's the f***ing Definition of insanity!
Outsourcing doesn't have to be like that, but alas... I haven't seen many examples of it done right.
There is this interesting quirk in economics that allows one to run a more expensive department while charging their clients less then they can do it 'in house.' The trick is to have multiple clients that are all doing the same or similar thing, so the cost of the department can be broken across all of the clients as they handle the pooled workload. As long as they don't begin to demand unreasonable things like being the only client, or a manager doesn't try and 'make the books look good' through shady means... it works.
But never underestimate human greed....
my father was a Foreman at a chemical plant he basically grew up with the plant new every part of it trained most of the people working there new management team in new degrees new ideas and my father told them their ideas would that work they got tired of hearing that and forced him to retire after three months they had to hire him back as an outside contractor to fix all the things that did not work never saw him smile so much
Odd, that last story sounds alot like shit EA did. Wanted free overtime, dropped senior staff for cheaper newbies, forced specific things that broke games killing profit, and liquidated the company once it wasn't profitable.
Basically what they did to Bioware. The people who made their games great are all now working for different companies.
@@akl2k7 BeamDog. Mostly made up of former Bioware programmers. They bought out the rights to many of the early Bioware games and updated them for modern computers and OSs and re-released them and they're making profits which the old company could have been making.
@@melkiorwiseman5234 Stoic Studio, the company behind the Banner Saga is another one, founded by three ex-Bioware staff.
@@akl2k7 Thanks for letting me know. I didn't know about that studio before.
First case, teenager had a responsibility to to his family business to lay the problem in their hands so they could address the issue 'adult to adult'. Even if the business wins a lawsuit, the name of the business in the lawsuit can leave a taint causing loss of business. I'm surprised the family didn't have a legal team representing it, causing costs, all because the teen didn't think that his family business could be damaged. But this does show a good compliance with keeping good records. I always advise employees to keep contemporaneous records.
I hate it when companies try to squeeze profits out of their own staff, instead of respect the fact that they're the reason why they have profits and if they want more, they have to direct more services towards customers and the market.
Haha that reminds me, working for a slowly expanding small business I've seen them make the transition into enforcing that people take their holiday days each year instead of the informal building-them-indefinitely they had been doing.
And since they aren't required to (and can't afford to) pay-out holiday days, one of the original & mvp employees was basically like 'guess I'll take the rest of the year off then lol'. He literally had over a year of holidays saved up.
Queue the backpeddling.
Ah yes, management training courses, the fastest, most sure method of producing managers unfit for their jobs
Management training should include working as a grunt. If you haven't done that you're not qualified to be manager. That includes buyouts. The buyers should have to spend a few weeks working the floor as a condition of buying the company.
Companies : Work Peacefully
Random Guy : I'm literally about to end this man's whole career...
I do not know much about business, but even I can tell that no longer paying overtime people will stop working overtime.
I didn't take a class on line drop calculations until I was in graduate school for engineering and already had a master's degree in Applied Mathematics. Which I'm sure was part of the problem. The engineer couldn't believe that the kid knew what he was talking about because it would damage his ego. So he got his back up and yelled at the kid. Fine I get that, that is human, but if you are any kind of scientist you go and check the numbers anyway. Look over the kids calculations, find out where he is wrong. If he is not you have to accept it. The engineer clearly didn't bother to check.
"How do we make our company more profitable?"
"I know. What if we paid all our employees to not work and got all our contracts cancelled?"
"Brilliant!"
anyone with half a brain would know the new policies on OT/Sick days would be a major shock to the teams moral and employees would start looking for better work. and how the hell did that guy NOT know about how important Rich is to the project?
QuicksilverGuard Probably like someone I knew who claimed he did not need to know what a business did or how it did it to be a manager. Most are given a remit to cut costs and have a standard range of practices to try to do that.
The same thing happened to me last year, the company is shut down now. I don't care about my "nice" boss, but hundreds of people lost their jobs.
City Council: Dang. Good thing it's just taxpayers paying for this and not us.
Being in the construction/tradesman industry my whole life I can feel for OP in story 1.
The biggest contributing factor to project cost overrun is ego.
I seen this and thought of the company I worked for , they were making money till they hired a internal employee. She couldn’t order anything right , two faced and didn’t understand the job . So much was done wrong firing people did their jobs well , because the the new hire didn’t like , she hired people who were not right and yes they still work there..the other manager who is still working at this place made sure she was fired. I see the company either being sold or going under this one woman, did a lot of damage.
I'm going to send this video to my company CEO. He won't watch it, and the casino will be a museum in less than 10 years.
"Welcome to The El Cortez Hotel and Casino Museum!"
Ariana Grande's dad is like the last story. No vacation time, no sick time, no paid holidays, and expect your hourly wage to be VERY low in the poor range while the clients are multimillionaires.
System works exceptionally well
Corporate aggressively implements changes
Revenue begins to tank
Corporate: *surprised pikachu face*
Half the reason I watch these is for those funny Reddit stories
The other half is just how polite he is
On the bright side, designing the unit to use replacement pumps constantly was deff good for the family business 😅🤣😭
One day Chuck Norris and a KSB pump had a disagreement. Chuck Norris lost. Seriously, claiming milk is black is a more believable lie than KSB pumps being crap.
"Hurr durr, kidz r dum!"
People in management (especially new one that don't know crap) need to get their heads out of Excel. In fact, they need to be MADE to understand how departments work. One wrong person at the lead can cost TONS.
"It was just... good business." (Ship explodes)
You may not realize how right you are... remember the Titanic? From what I understand, someone cut corners on hull metal strength. Something was done cheaper that made the metal weaker when in cold water.
@@kathrynblodgett1969 Actually, it wasn't cold but heat. The key to the sinking was that a coal bunker was on fire for days, basically it left port with the fire. (The fire was downplayed during the inquiry.) They were going as fast as possible to try to get to a port as quickly as possible to deal with it. So a weakened hull because FIRE plus speed and going through dangerous waters = accident waiting to happen. Steel samples were likely brittle because of the prolonged exposure to the coal fire, which makes steel brittle and reduces the strength by more than half, not that it was inferior steel from the start. It wasn't corning cutting in the construction phase (though I'm not claiming it was flawless, just it wasn't one of the key causes of the sinking), but that they decided to leave port at all under those conditions, likely to save face because it was the maiden voyage and a huge press event.
some engineers are so full of themselves that they have no capacity to think beyond their limited vision.
"He was concerned that salaried people were paid for overtime. Salaried people do not get paid overtime ". They shouldn't be working overtime. If there's more than 40 hours to be worked, then hire another person. It's nonsense that corporations want to make someone salaried just to work them to death while not properly compensating them for it.
Far too many people: "young = dumb"
Sensible people: "(young = dumb) = dumb"
These corporations don't seem to realize the golden rule of profit. Don't mess with it if it is generating revenue and *DON'T GET OVERLY GREEDY!!!*
They do. But why run the risk of a company long term when you can run it into the ground in a year or two then sell it off peacemeal at high profit but low risk?
I worked as a copier tech in the early 90s and the company I worked for hired a new 'profit maximizing' idiot manager (like in the second story). Seeing how many high cost items us techs used he forbid us to carry them in our company vehicles. We would have to put the copier out of order and return (a 2nd service call+fuel etc) with the part after manager approval, along with another dozen or so other 'save money, no matter what the cost' actions. The quality of our service to our primary contract holder (govt) fell so much so quickly that they refused to renew the contract and that business went from 20 techs down to 3 overnight and the manager was let go. Most laid-off techs went to work for the new contract holder. I decided to sell my furniture, hop in my car, leave town and follow a better career path.
On the second story.... So often corporate types think that it is their business model that makes them profit...they completely forget that it is the people who do the job that makes them their profits.... the rules are only good if they work and they only work if they are good....
I have a mom in the trades, and believe me that engineer probably cost the city at least a million dollars, shutting down a worksite that big for even a day can rack up over a hundred thousand dollars in damages. There is no way the engineer wasnt fired.
Anybody else notice that he seems incapable of saying "contact"? He always says cantract. I think you need some contracts for your eyes, my friend
I think you need them too.
contacts not contracts for the eyes
@@chocolatelover030 That's the joke.
@@martingammill-beck5846 r/whooosh me
It's text to speech.
The 1st step to wisdom is realizing how little you know.
One of the things I had to do on becoming an adult was unlearn a whole bunch of 'facts' taught to me as a child.
Don't just realize how little you know, but also how wrong what little knowledge you possess actually is!
The problem with is, that there is a budget. Once the engineer and city planer have approved on the costs, it is very hard for them to change the original plans. You´d need another resolution for the increased budget and this just takes such a long time, that you´d need to start all over again with a new plan. So both would rather ignore it than to have a second look.
Accruing vacation days is a huge liability. I have heard of people accumulating thousands of days of vacation time. A business should never be in a situation where half their staff could take a year+ vacation at no notice. And in the situation I know of the people just lost 100K in wages when the company went bankrupt.
When I dealt with our IT dept, I was ALWAYS polite, and told them that I had a problem and that I had probably messed up somehow ( GENERALLY that was 100% true) Politely ask them to CHECK into the computer and see WHAT I HAD DONE WRONG. I had a supervisor that was not so polite and had an attitude of the program is wrong. FIX IT!
#3 - This cow is producing so much milk! If we stop feeding her so much and yank on her teats a lot harder, I bet she'll give us even more milk!
I can totally relate to corporate not having any idea how the subcompanies worked. I worked for a major national supermarket chain. In the mid 2000s we were bought up by a major conglomerate that had never run a grocery store before. It is so frustrating to work in a bakery with bosses that have no idea how long anything takes to produce or how many people you need to get things done. Example: department had 7 people in 1990 same department trying to make the same amount of money only had 4 people in 2011. Stress level and burnout was out of control. Of course this didn't bother corporate. This helped get rid of higher paid experienced union employees. After all anyone off the street can make a wedding cake. How hard can it be.
Workers should have more recourse against this than simply finding a new job. For example, mutiny.
With the pump/enginere story, I am more amazed that engineer was so inept... it shouldn't even have come to the point where OP had to contact him and tell him there was an mistake, he should have had the numbers double and triple checked on his own...
I feel sorry for the tax payer in that city cause this engineer's lack of professionalism cost them ether extra taxes or less maintains/development in other areas...
The OP would have been justified in telling the council that he'd leave it up to them to decide whether Engineer was merely a self-entitled asshole, or was an _incompetent_ self-entitled asshole. :)
I checked plans for a government agency until I retired, I cannot count the number of times I dealt with stuff like that, and actually the few times I heard, Good Catch, thanks. Probably a 1000 to 1 ratio. I still have every nice letter of thanks I ever received.
Ah the problem with REDDIT.
Story 2: if you're in Australia it's legislated( legally) you can not cash out holiday pay.
Jake, according to American business doctrine, paying labor (skilled, unskilled or even specialized) more than the minimum possible is a waste of money and will make investors nervous. Just ask your average MBA.
Head isn't the distance you're pumping, it's the pressure, and it's calculated by virtical distance (assuming open ended) and specific density as well as pipe losses. So OP definitely didn't calculate anything correctly, judging by his description.
"It's not broken, we just have to fix that!"
how so stupid they are to continue dragging it on and not just use the revision spec( cost lot but downtime much smaller in long run,and less risk of future failure too)
Morale does wonders for a company. Once worked as a contractor to a company, and they paid me in PTO to do internal work. I honestly loved it. Any time I wanted to go on vacation, I had the hours to do it. I rarely did, but that got me to work happily all the time.
company> why our slaves would not work free overtime?
My grandma is the same way as the engineer in the first story. I trying explaining why a car couldn't go on a green light because the traffic was to backed up and he would be in the middle of an intersection and that is illegal. But Noooo she has a licence and drive I was only 15 and didn't know anything because I was a kid. but she often ask me or my younger sister simple questions so from many experiences with her I have deduced she was Entitled, A Narcissist and A Hypocrite. But she claims she is none of these things.
"Within a week the new branch manager was transferred...."
Sounds like this manager just failed upwards, likely not for the first time!
Wrong spec. Yeah. Reminds me of a similar thing with my local council. They (internally) contracted to replace all the central heating boilers in their stock of social housing. To lower costs they bought up the entire inventory of a heating company that had folded. The boiler design was obsolete, so they also bought up *all* the spare parts on hand. As the boilers tended to break down due to the same parts wearing out, they soon ran out of those part which were no longer available from anywhere. This meant that they had to cannibalise the 'spare' boilers for these parts. In less than 5 years they were completely out of parts and had to start replacing the whole boilers at less than half the life span. £Millions were wasted for the sake of -saving- a few tens of £K!
if you have never built a watch and were told to manage a team of people making watches, would you show up your 1st day and demand they change gear ratios or would you study what they did and see if there were any REAL inefficiencies that could be improved.
Every business can be made better, but you can only do that if you first understand how it works.
I work with pumps like the ones mentioned in the first story. That wouldn't have cost your tax payers hundreds of thousands. It would have cost hundreds of thousands per pump.
One of the most disgusting things I have ever heard in my life is "business needs come first." When you employ more than a dozen people, you can afford to give a few days off, and you can get off your ass and phone employees (or hire people to do so) to resolve scheduling issues and fill in the gaps. But America doesn't care about or protect the worker anymore. They don't give most of their workers full-time hours and accept paying for group health plans, they collectively force part-time work, making countless people work 50-60 hours a week between two or three jobs without actually being able to afford health care for themselves or their families and barely being able to afford rent. They demand more while giving less. Corporations are legally people in this backwards nation, and the majority of workers are, of course not legally, but systemically property.
We have the same thing happening at my current workplace. Even firing people for being a few minutes tardy so they can re-hire overseas cheaper. We're bleeding people faster than they can be replaced and bleeding contracts and customers just as fast.
In america, the company would still have been sued.
That was in America, the parts were just manufactured by a company in Germany.
@@elmateo77 they just got lucky.
About the guy in the last story i have one thing to say "If it ain't broke don't try and fix it"
The problem is corporate culture in general (stable profits aren't enough, you have to make more money each year) and especially in the USA. Every sane person should understand that infinite growth is impossible, but apparently nowadays that's the required standard.
From the first story I can already say it Def cost more than $1,000,000+ saying hundreds of thousands is severely lowballing it...it kept having failures and needing replacement parts, the actual parts were much more expensive AND imported in from Germany, they had to deconstruct and reconstruct the piping as the replacements came in, and it took an extra year from when it was supposed to finally be opened...I'm sorry but that "engineer" most definitely got fired and blacklisted...probably got his license revoked...
Typical engineer!
it sad that corporate thinks fire all the high paid long time workers then wonder why things slow down never thinking yes their high paid since they have worked they for years an are good a faster at the job since it ingrained an know shortcuts
The second story is the classic "if it works, don't try to fix it".
15:43 Manager decides to fix something not broken
Yep, happens all the time unfortunately.
He's just too stupid to realize he's spending a dollar to save a penny. A pretty common thing among management, it seems.
Maybe consider the phrase "Where people conform to the letter INSTEAD of the spirit of a request."?
@10:35 The money isn't coming from their pockets, so they won't mind how much they spend after the bid is accepted - as long as there's someone else to blame!
10:52 I know the feeling. Most recently, that used to happen at my swordfighting school. One of my friends, a year younger than me (I'm 19 atm) has been learning from and teaching with her dad since she was little, and sometimes got undermined when teaching. When I joined, I already had keen eyes, but have never been exceptionally vocal, despite my well varied vocabulary, and I got publicly shunned by another dude at a tournament last year while judging because I stuttered in hesitation. However, I took his advice, and, under a personal request of mine to not be subject to him again, I made a lot faster judgements using my eyes and body, but not my mouth.
Skipping further details, this will happen no longer, and I remain an assistant instructor, as she remains my superior. Also does my dad.
I have an Engineering degree and sold Commercial HVAC when I was younger and sometimes had the same problem. As I would go over their number and find issues.