Massive Surprise Panel for Star Trek Picard Season 3 Discussion! | Raw Rant #4
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- Опубликовано: 5 мар 2023
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Shane & Brian / The Popcast Brothers
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The Critical Drinker
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Nick / Sci-Finatics
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Terry Matalas, Showrunner Picard Season 3
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Dave Cullen
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Terry Matalas, Season 3 showrunner comes in at 54:30... What did you think of our guests thoughts on Picard Season 3? Let's talk about it in the comments below! Support the show and SUBSCRIBE! Smash the LIKE and Hit the Bell and never miss a Live Show! Become a Member here: ruclips.net/user/thepopcastjoin -- GET YOUR TERRY TREK HAT HERE: mixedtees.com/terry-trek-hat - For 20% Off Use coupon code: THEPOPCAST
At one of the very last super chats, someone mentioned a crystalline entity...and I remembered that they had a crystalline entity on Lower Decks. Which Terry said he watches, apparently.
Great stuff 😊
Sadly when Terry went cagey about the different views about the different treks that kinda put me off him a bit , yeah he's got to be diplomatic but to bring up folk are turning their backs on season 3 Picard because we like it ...fuck that shit man , so because it's not singing from the woke hymn book it's no longer good enough for them ...trek wouldn't be here if not for the fans , and not these Johnny/she/them comelatelys ..Terry stop trying to appease minority groups , or placate them ...star trek is supposedly based in the 25th century , today's politics or views have no place being in them ...these shows are for entertainment,not preaching
@@petechambers541 He's just being a decent fellow and not need to be burning bridges as an active member of the Hollywood fraternity. You can't expect him to criticize other creators he crosses paths with in town and side with hardcore fans that hate STD and Lower Decks. I was just more fearful that he'd just bail out when Gary, Dave and Robert joined in without notice, which he definitely noticed. Besides it's Terry's opinion, as long as he toes the line with Kurtzman, we will get good Star Trek instead of pissing on him, not being rehired and we continue getting garbage Star Trek.
@@jazzdub4958 so by his reaction to gary to Gary it's quite clear who's opinions he cares for more and it ain't the fans who helped put trek where it is
This is like the Justice League of nerd panels. Never thought I'd see Nerdrotic, Dave Cullen, RMB, Drinker, and Terry Matalas together in one stream.
Gary and the drinker are on together a lot and I always enjoy it. First time seeing any of the other gentlemen. Fun show!
All we need now is RLM
But no Midnight's Edge?
I think Doomcock must be going into shock at this point.
@@gyorgyor7765 or maybe just fading into obscurity where he belongs
wow that was a very intense livestream. It is a true act of kindness that Terry Matalas invested so much time with you guys tonight. I am truly enjoying Picard Season 3
I swear part of this almost felt like Zack Snyder on the G+G charity stream. It's great what Terry has done for Picard Season 3, but he seemed terrified of getting in trouble for being here with you guys.
I couldn’t agree more. Terry is in the definition of a rock and a hard place
I'm not trying to be harsh to you, I'm not but the fact that you and many other don't get why he said what he said ,is why he has to be so careful. terry works for Hollywood. He can't allow there to be a single ounce of even speculation that he doesn't like the direction of his bosses or we won't get anymore from him. I love what he did this season
You know at this point. The show speaks for itself and Terry need not interject. Terry's a talented writer/show director and he's created a star trek I enjoy watching. I wish him success in the future and hope he is not corrupted.
@@dan_2584 he had little to gain from hopping on this stream, but as @JDenton2052 said, if he said the wrong thing(s), he loses any chance of getting Star Trek: Titan or whatever 25th Century spin-off we would have otherwise got him showrunning.
The clincher will be the viewing numbers. If S3 of Picard gets 2-3x as many viewers as the previous seasons, that's a signal the studio isn't able to ignore. So get your ass out there and make sure people realise what's happened.
If there’s a takeaway, it’s clear Terry loves Star Trek. You can feel the passion in his voice and it makes me feel good. Bravo
He knows little about Star Trek, and what he knows, he doesn't understand. All Picard S3 has done so far is wallow in nostalgia and memberberries. And so far, all the pre season advertising about the season being a TNG cast reunion has been nothing short of bait and switch.
@@BillyBob-qg6qc Completely disagree. Picard S3 is a combination of nostalgia, memberberries, but more importantly there is an actual story with arcs, setups, and payoffs. You may not like the story but in contrast to S1 and 2 (garbage of the highest order), this is really good stuff.
@@Gabriel-ci7db So far, it's just been a highly unoriginal soup of TNG's Conspiracy without the aliens, DS9's Homefront and Paradise Lost, and a sprinkling of a nutty female Nero from 2009. Bringing Ro Laren back as some lame plot device, just to, I assume, kill her at the end of one episode, is unforgivable and has Kurtzman's stain all over it. I'm seeing very little actual story. I'll admit episode 5 was reasonable, but after nearly 5 hours of snail's pace tedium, the only story has been Picard shagged Crusher and got her pregnant 20+ years ago, and the Changelings have infiltrated Starfleet. Ron Moore would've had all this down to 44 minutes of screen time.
Room for everyone? They were the ones who told me that Discovery wasn't for me. The market they chased, doesn't exist. And it brought them right back to me. " Hey,there's room for everyone". Now that you need money of course.
That's very well observed, sir! 🖖
Yeah. This put me off watching any further if I’m honest.
I was out. I was done. Then thanks to RMB/Drinker/Nerdrotic I gave it a chance and could deal. But after that awkwardness from Terry around the 1:00-1:15 mark I can happily go back to not giving a damn about post 2005 ST.
This was the olive branch and we’re being painted as the bad guys for not being MORE accepting of discovery?
@@technogamer18 exactly right. Nerdtronic is a toxic little man child. Discovery is perfectly decent even if Picard S3 is top game. If you have this attitude you must have a very sheltered life
@@technogamer18 EXACTLY! We invite them to discuss with us. We don't demonize individuals for their beliefs just the stuff they produce. We beg them to stay true to the spirit of these franchises. But the moment one of them has the balls to actually talk to us, they refuse to acknowledge ANY bad they or others have done. Even when we are fangirling over them on the show.
Terry seems like a decent person, but he is blind to what is happening. He is in complete denial of how we, the fans, have been treated. He is still entrenched in the identity politics that his colleagues have infused into our loves. The only difference between him and the people who wrote discovery is that he understands story.
Picard Season 3 is more than likely the LAST bit of good ST that we have coming. They will not learn from this, they will not care about this. They will get some money from it, gain some rep for it, and then continue to destroy any good thing that has been.
I can tell a woke production in the first 10 seconds. Give up there and then I watch to be entertained, not to be lectured on the current liberal bullshit seeming to be splattered all over media nowadays
This was an awesome podcast. Terry Matalas has doing amazing things with Picard S3. Cannot wait to see more. There’s one thing I believe wholeheartedly: Star Trek is for everybody , because it represents the hope in all of us.
Yea, but remember that the only reason it's now back to "everyone" is because their attempt at excluding more than 50% of their viewing audience in the past few years has failed and has caused them to backtrack to the normal and sensible audience that was always faithful to the franchise and has carried it for decades. They need the audience they've alienated for years.
I love what Terry has done; season 3 means more to me than I can ever express. It's just that sometimes being diplomatic is not neccecarily the most moral position. The fact is, many of the fanbase, myself included, were gaslit and bullied by the Discovery "fandom", and the show itself ultimatly encouraged terrible morals. I didn't show anyone less than my full kindness, but was, amongst other things, accused of being an '[identity X, Y, Z]phobe', something I had not the slightest shade of, simply for critiquing Discovery's logic, and attacked by supposed fans; hardly adherants of Star Trek's humane vision. The show itself had a tone of cruelty; seemly revelling in suffering and humiliation. Post-modern cynicism, is how it ultimatly came off; they encouraged an amoral vision, and amoral behavior.
50 years of fandom was rewarded this way; derision. Then predictably DSC lost it's superficial mercurial audience; leaving a wasteland of wounded fans, bitter at how they had been treated, and a wreaked continuity. Anyone could have seen that coming.
I hope Terry is playing his cards close to his chest, because I don't think that DSC's tone was an equal and valid vision of Star Trek. It came off to everybody I know, more like a 'hijacking' in bad faith. Good taste is not relative; but perhaps he must say so.
I agree with you 100%
Probably the best comment in here, not sure why so many others are hearted but not this one.
Woah, is that a case of the pot calling the kettle black. Matalas was forced to address optics when Nerdrotic joined. The guy is toxic. I stopped listening (edit: to his channel) when my wife insisted I wear headphones. He's clever but my wife is right, he's acidic. I'm not surprised at all by Matalas' reaction. Karma.
Terry Matalas, thanks for coming on, most of us understand the position you're in being on a panel like this, as well as the fact that you might not agree with a lot of the opinions with the panel. We appreciate that you stayed to talk though. Thank you for that!
I’m glad Terry decided to throw himself into the lions den, it’s shows a lot of character. It’s also good training for him because if he’s going to do the convention circuit then he’s going to be asked much more difficult questions.
I think we can all agree that this was the Avengers moment of nerd culture. Ya’ll are amazing, and Terry is either very humble or unaware of the gift he helped bring into being.
Terry Matalas, if you read this, I really hope you left the stream and were able to smile.
You have done such a great job of walking the line of being for modern audiences while still being respectful to Gene Roddenberry's trek. Your season has star trek heart. There is a reason why these people are gushing over what you've done.
This is a fun popcast, I wish Mike Stoklasa were here too, he'd have a bunch of things to say to the panel and Terry.
This was the best live stream I have ever watched. I'm not exaggerating.
Agreed!
It's so cool Terry Matalas decided to take part in this. It just shows a level of passion for the franchise and respect for fans that is so rare today. I don't know where the show goes from here (episode 3), but right now I feel like Terry is the man who should be in charge of more Trek. I'd love to see him make a Shaw/Seven of Nine Titan spin-off show.
Ooo Shaw/Seven would be a great show indeed. All we were asking for is Trek to be in the right hands, and for production teams to be more responsive to the credible qualms of fans. Seeing Trek listen, learn, and grow means a lot.
Wow. Mr. Matalas is a class act! He's playing with fire here and he has to save face for his colleagues but the sparks of passion come through. Thank you for this stream. It was raw and inspiring!
Terry Matalas is such a breath of fresh air for trek. You can feel the vibe change on the show. But him showing up to this is just proving how plugged into the trek ecosystem.
Hats off on the new season!
I felt Gary’s reaction at 1:28:39, when Terry said that he wished there could be a little more unity with how different sides of the fandom interacts. I’m pretty sure I can guess what he wanted to say, but respect for holding his tongue. It was not the time.
Oh, and of course, big ups to Terry for having the massive stones to come on and say what he did, and for being respectful, even if he became noticeably more uncomfortable as the conversation went on.
Is it about Doomcock?🤐
Why is this podcast not being shared to the max!!! Come on get this shit out there!!
Epic Livestream!! Thanks all, I really enjoyed this. Can't wait for episode 4 Thursday.
A big thank you to Terry for bringing hope back to Star Trek. Season 3 has been like mana from heaven during these dark days for my favorite franchises.
Terry Matalas is a blessing to Star Trek. I pray Paramount has the courage to keep investing in Terry Trek.
Terry danced like a politician. Trying to defend pure crap. But he has got to keep his job.
Oh, poor Terry. He knows CBS/Paramount and the execs above him are engaged in ESG Kayfabe and will cancel his ass in 10 seconds if he agrees with this panel that Kurtzman's output has been unceremonious ass from start to finish. He knows Disco isn't Star Trek, he knows Picard was a failure until he took over, it's written on his face. But he can't say it, because then Blackrock won't front the money for Season 4. Can't imagine what Gene would make of this weird-ass world we ended up in.
Its not only that its dumb to insult others in the industry you work in
@@FlyingwithFire That's how rot and death seep in. If those colleagues can't take constructive criticism then they are doomed from the beginning. If you are constantly having to be told how wonderful you are then you are a weak human being. Full stop!
Yea feels like he took a risk even being on a stream with these guys, wonder if he got in trouble. One wonders how deep the culture war runs in the minds of Paramount execs, and their bosses, and how much their ESG kissin asses will prevent them from making honest money by pleasing the fans they love to hate
This was such a treat!!!
This was so cool! Just amazing stuff all around. Great work guys!
Terry Matalas walked that tightrope like a pro. The Trek fandom is diverse and he acknowledges them all as best he can.
He sure did - not an easy situation to find himself in - especially considering he joined the chat to talk about the story & action in the episodes so far - NOT the politics associated with Kurtzman Trek etc.
You'd think people who want Matalas to make more Trek - would think twice before placing him in a very invidious & awkward position!
It is awesome that he watches the Critical Drinker too. All that constructive criticism pays off when showrunners listen.
thanks for this vid and all the guests who contributed. A real all-star event!
So sad Discovery was allowed to use 5 seasons of Paramount's money, that could be spent on better Trek shows
Great job guys! You really did something special here with this surprise panel. Cheers!
Our pleasure!
Great stream, amazing that Terry joined. My kids are hooked on old the era Trek but now we can watch a perfect transition from old to new😊
This was a fun chat!
Thanks for hosting. 😀👍
Guys, i think that Terry was being called by paramountCBS for real for being on the stream.
yep
Big respect for Terry being a professional here. It's hard to strike a balance here.
This is what Star Trek is about, bringing people together.
Shane, excellent conducting of the discussion. Made it very interesting to hear because there were no lulls
Wow, a stream for the ages, salty nerds, RMB, drinker, Gary , the Popcast duo and nick , lovely to listen to you all .
Love you guys and all you do. Great show 👍
Thanks How Rad! love you too :)
Let's put this in a language that a Hollywood exec can understand: You can either make Trek that people will watch and spend money on or the kind of Trek that very few people will see and won't spend much if any money on. Look at the numbers and decide. You are not going to make everyone happy. That's impossible. You can, however, decide if you're going to be profitable or not and to what degree. Paramount is in the financial situation it's in because of this.
What more can I say well done guys!
A very good show. Really enjoyable. Superb guests and surprises. Well done.
Wow, great panel! Discussing Terry Trek with Terry Matalas.
This is seriously one of the best podcasts I've ever seen it's incredible. I hope there's another one next week
What a great line up of guests!
Terry is a gem. It's so great to see someone running a show with such passion for it and who deeply cares what the fans think about it. It's like being back in the 90s again.
Has anyone you noted that there is almost no talking to the computer. This was so common in TNG. Computer do this, computer do that.
I signed up for Paramount+ Because of this season. Really awesome having Terry come on and talk with the fans
Me too. He seems like he really enjoys talking about Star Trek. Like he's a true fan and it's more than a job for him.
Did they null and void the previous seasons. If not it's not worth watching.
@@johnpglackin345 From reports, it seems 2/3 of the main decisions in the storyline - many fans have had issues with in previous seasons - were fixed.
@@rpgadventurer32 is Picard still an artificial robot? Is Refe still on the show?
I LOVED this panel with so many RUclips reviewers of Trek and Terry talking, thank you!
Our pleasure!
Thanks for this! Really enjoying Picard S3 so far and it’s good to know from you guys that it gets better (the opposite of what most shows do these days).
I'm just happy to see some of my favorite creators like RLM share their enthusiasm for an IP again, Seasons 1 and 2 basically betrayed a lot of the deep level fans of the original TNG series. I'm a casual fan but even I could see that these characters weren't were they should've been if they followed and respected their own prior lore. If you watch that last episode of the Picard review season 2 from RLM, you can hear the pain in Mikes voice, whom is one of the biggest fans, express his displeasure with what the new show had done to his beloved characters. So for this season 3, it gives us hope that things can turn around and once again become the things we enjoyed and brought us together. I for one am happy that if this is indeed the final season at least it ends on a high note than going out on a whimper.
1:16:30 We need to make Terry important enough to be in charge of all Star Trek! #TerryTrek
He is not at Paramount and there are zero Star Trek projects in flight
@@cbspock1701 I doubt CBS care about restoring the franchise back to what it was, Terry sure didn't. 😆
Awesome panel of nerding out. Fantastic.
Terry did something I thought was impossible, made me care about new Trek.
This was an awesome listen 👍
1 hour in, this is the best panel I've ever seen talking bout ST!
Seemed there was certain conversation once Gary entered as if it were directed towards him then he was going to speak more on it they wanted to change the subject.......that is part of the complaint to begin with.
I just watched three hours of nerds (all of whom I have great respect for) talking about Star Trek. I'm 53 years old, at work, and playing with a Rubik's Cube. It's such a good thing I'm self employed or I would be so fired!!
Thank you for this gem! This is ultra all star Star trek podcast extreme! Thank you again! All of you!
Terry completely ignored the idea of Kurtzman Trek being a dream. To be honest it probably would have been a good idea to go that way since Season 3 of Picard can't even fix what Kurtzman Trek has done to the franchise history. All of modern Star Trek needs to be put in its own universe, it's as simple as that.
Terry Matalas gives me hope for the future of Star Trek!!! LLAP.
All hail the fellowship
Did anyone know the Changelling in episode 3 that got interogated by Rafi was played by the same actor that played one of Captain Picards kids in Generaions from the Nexus so there are a lot of actors that have been recalled from playing in previous episodes many many years ago which is i think is a throwback to how things have gone back to them times and tones 😊
He probably auditioned for Jack and they gave him a smaller role
it was covered in one of the previous episodes that he did go to school in England, I will have to rewatch, but they did name the school, great chat legends!
YT suggestions actually suggested something I wanted to see that I was not already subbed to, for once. This was great!
Awesome! Thank you!
Holywood needs to understand that they can't shame us into liking something. There is massive competition in the online entertainment and history won't ask for reasons why they'll failed.
In Terry We Trust. Enjoying Season 3 so far. Looking forward to the 25th century!!!
At one of the very last super chats, someone mentioned a crystalline entity...and I remembered that they had a crystalline entity on Lower Decks. Which Terry said he watches, apparently.
ruclips.net/video/BmNXB-10C9U/видео.html
The Eye of Sauron is on the Fellowship.
A bit concerned I found this so entertaining. Good show, guys.
Thank you SO Much Terry got my Paramount + sub....please let this man do more Trek...take over SNW wow ....
Nice impromptu panel you managed to assemble.
Never seen an episode of Star Trek before, but good discussion by some of my favorite blokes on these RUclips’s.
I would like to thank all of my fans, who’s been with me from day one. Thank you Sam 🌹’s! You Squee heads are truly the best. Squee’s unite!
😄😄😄😄😄😄 Glad to see *Star Trek* back in the hands of people that *GET* Star Trek!!!!! 👌👌👌👌👌👌👍👍
*Out over* rather than "down under".
LOL! 😁😇😘
Well done!
I wish someone would have asked terry why it's so visually dark.
Agreed! At least they turned the lights on when they got on the D.
Terry Matalas NEEDS to be the spearhead Star Trek for the foreseeable future!!!!!!! PLEASE PARAMOUNT!!!
Terry should be in charge! Man it must have been hard for a lot of these panel members to keep there mouth shut! Respect!
Best Video ever Thank you all for the Podcast , Love you all .
Thanks for listening
Great panel!
I will admit I misjudged Terry Matalas and him going on a panel with some who had same type of criticism I had for Picard first couple seasons shows a man of character
What a stream, just quality.
I've been wanting Gary and Co to link up with Dave for *years* - awesome ❤🍻
i know, too late & still not finished watching the video, but goddamnit it terry matalas! get into the video ! XD...
gods damnit it terry matalas! (approximately an hour later)
great discussion ! havee fun & keep continue your great work :)
I think it should be noted that Riker’s conservative approach to dealing with the shrike isn’t a massive shift from what he was like in TNG. In BOBW part 1 Shelby criticizes him for playing it safe and he responds that when it comes to the ship and the crew he does play it safe. When faced with overwhelming odds Riker’s initial approach is to be careful, likely something he’s learned as Picard’s first officer.
Throwing an asteroid was pretty badass.
Terry seemed like a really great guy. I just wish there wasn't that pending doom and loom in the conversation. Not his fault but it felt like there was a panic of who could be watching this and everytime the conversation started to go in a direction, terry felt like he had to pump the brakes.
What Terry has done with S3 is great, it's a refresh of the shows I grew up with.
Best panel ever!
it makes sense that the klingon cloak from undiscovered country wasnt used again, considering the fact that they found a pretty glaring weakspot in its design ended up what won the enterprise the battle. so whats the point of outfitting all your ships with it, when it makes your ship more vulnerable than a regular cloak?
Very good point! Chang’s cloak is really only useful if you know you’re going to get a one-shot kill or are in a position to shoot & scoot. Otherwise you get one shot off & your opponent, assuming he survives, can fix your position with technology which, in the show’s current setting, is almost a century old! 🙂
If you remember though. In almost all cases, in both the TNG show, and movies. When the Enterprise goes into battle. Riker commands the battle. Even while Picard is in his Captains chair.
I have watched the show and movies multiple times over and never noticed that before, I'll look out for that on my next revisit
I'd love to know who exactly TM was referring to when he mentions those "certain people on the other side (Paramount? Secret Hideout?) taking offense to what these panelists say about nuTrek... Alex Kurtzman perhaps?
There are people who like new trek. I didn't think season 1 of Picard is as bad as most of the people on this stream think it was.
Great stream! And Terry!
Thank you kindly
Congratulations on a fantastic livestream guys. What an amazing coup in getting Terry Matalas on for an hour. I feared the more RUclipsrs came in and with respectful grace, veered the subject into areas that he absolutely wasn't comfortable with, I really thought he was gonna bounce. But the debating skills on some of the guys on the top rows especially got him back on the rails and keep it Picard Season 3 centric. Terry was never going to rip on previous terrible Star Trek shows of the last 6 years, certainly not on live air anyway. Thanks again Terry for this brilliant third season and well done Popcast Unleashed 👍
Picard season 3 is (so far) fantastic! Thank god!! We get to say farewell to Picard on a positive!
Wow TERRY Is On! 😮
The Changeling on the Titan was there for what reason? That ship was supposed to be 180 degrees in the opposite direction across the galaxy from Jack Crusher. It's presence on the Titan initially as the transporter crew may explain it down the line but...
Patience! 🤫
Wow, great podcast! I agree with everyone on the panel Star Trek Picard season 3 is the best season so far, I feel the TNG vibe just seeing with the legendary like Picard, Riker, Crusher and Worf and that is only those we see for the moment there are still other episodes to see the other characters like Geordi Laforge, Deanna Troi and others. I agree with Robert Meyer Burnett TNG season 3 started being the best when Michael Piller came along, and I also noticed DS9 season 3 started being more interesting when Ira Steven Behr and Ronald D. Moore were the main writers behind the Dominion Wars story arc and season 4 when Worf came in DS9 during The Way of the Warrior episode, I don't understand why Paramount doesn't hire Ira Steven Behr or Ronald D. Moore again, they are very talented writers instead of incompetent ones for Star Trek Discovery that make me cringe. I've been a TNG fan since the 90s and still am today and the story and visuals of the Star Trek DS9 with Dominion War is worthy of a great epic space combat movie almost better than Star Wars when we visually watch the confrontation and the number of Dominions and Federation alliance ships clashing with each other when the first time I saw the scene my jaw dropped. I love all the cast of TNG especially Patrick Stewart, Michael Dorn my Klingon favorite also I like Jonathan Frakes is a also a good director when he does Star Trek First Contact movie it was so good.
Can't we say that STD, SNW, Picard S1 & S2 and the animated shows are all in one timeline, the JJverse is its own second timeline, and all the rest of STAR TREK (including Picard S3) take place in the original timeline? It would allow everyone to have their own Trek simultaneously, while explaining the vast discrepancies of modern "NuTrek" and the main continuity we have been watching for 50 years.
I agree except leave Picard season 3 in that JJ timeline
It’s not anything like original trek it has tiny aspects but it’s still kntzman trek
We want Berman trek
@@-M0LE Asking for “Berman Trek” 20yrs after the fact is akin to those 60’s fans who rejected Berman Trek because it wasn’t “Roddenberry Trek”, imo. I don’t like “Kurtzman Trek”, but I like “Terry Trek” lol
Doomcock should have been on this panel
Tell him to answer my DMs. I'd.love for him to be on.
@@ThePopcastLive I think he is a lot like William Shatner, he holds himself on a higher level. So fitting for an Overlord villain.
In Season 3 Ep.3, Worf mentions that after the dominion war there was a Schisim. In the TNG there is an episode in season 6 called Schisim. In it, some of the crew are being abducted by aliens. The aliens look and sound similar to the alien species on the ship with Vadic. Are they the same species? Haven't seen anyone mention this likeness. I wonder are they the same.