I have a question about the whole 7 x 13= 28 I saw this on RUclips and I think I figured out what happens I'd thought I ask if you could make a video about it
Brady, I need to thank you for keeping the parker memes alive for more than a year without ruining them. I got my parker square shirt already and will see how many parker circles I can fit in it.
Actually, the term "spiky" perfectly describes Parker Dimensions, which are similar to normal mathematical dimensions except that there's something a little off about them; personally, I think they're adequate.
@@seDrakonkill Actually, the nature of the dimension is irrelevant to the maths involved. 4+ dimensional graphs are useful. Being able to compute geometry in higher dimensions is a great toolset for data analysis.
Student:"How do imagibe things in the nth dimension???!!!" Teacher:"Easy! You just imagine the 4th dimension and let 4=n" Or Student:"How do imagibe things in the nth dimension???!!!" Teacher:"Easy! You just imagine the Yth dimension and let Y=N"
I wish I had thought to say that to any one of my math teachers in school. "You need to show your work or you won't get credit!" "Well, professor, the trick here is to not worry about it."
It's not the higher dimension spheres that are "spiky". It's the higher dimension cubes that are spiky. The corner n-spheres have radius 1 in all directions and all dimensions. For the cubes, the distance from the center to the corners increases without bound with the number of dimensions, while the distance from the center to the faces remains constant. That's a spiky n-cube. The central sphere can grow endlessly, since the corner spheres are "close" to the corners, which are further from the center as the number of dimensions increases.
At first I was like, "wait, if the sphere is already larger than the side of the box, and it keeps getting larger, shouldn't it eventually go beyond the corners?" but then I remembered, that in higher dimensions, the distance to the corner is multiplied by sqrt(n), so sqrt(4) for 4D, sqrt(5) for 5D and so on, so it's not the sphere that is getting spiky, it's the box!
The sphere in a way could get spiky, say, in dimension 100. Some points in the sphere have a coordinate of 1 somewhere with all the others zero, but there are also points with all coordinates of just 0.1 or -0.1. Only a few points have a high value in one or two coordinates.
@@skrlaviolette The sphere has a larger diameter than the box's side length. However, the box's corners keep getting further away as the # of dimensions rises. In dimension 100, a cube centered at the origin with side length 2 will have corners ten units away from the origin, as opposed to only two units away in dimension 4.
@@coopergates9680 Yes, in 2D, the corners of the cube are sqrt(2) away from the origin, in 3D sqrt 3. If we say the the side length is 4 , it means to me, that the surface of the cube interect with the axis at a distance 2. The sphere intersects with the axis at its radius, which is grater than 2 for n>10, right? Or is it different for higher dimensions, because the surface of a 10D cube is made out of 9D cubes?
I don't usually pay much attention to thumbnails, but the thumbnail for this video is absolutely perfect! It tells you what the video's about, works in the joke about the slightly scraggly circles, and, Matt's expression is priceless! Seriously, you did an awesome job designing this one.
I'll note this also works in 1 dimension. By the definition of sphere as "the set of points equidistant from a point", a 1-dimensional sphere would simply be a line segment. The pattern suggests a "largest sphere" with a radius of sqrt(1) - 1, i.e., 0, which is exactly the gap between two line segments with a radius of 1 filling a line segment of length 4.
Being a bit pedantic, but the 1-d sphere isn't a line segment, it's two individual points equidistant to the center. It's like in 2-d, your circle is made of a 1-d line shifted through the 2nd dimension, a 1-d sphere is a 0-d object shifted through the 1st dimension.
The surface of a 1 dimensional sphere is a set of 2 points yes, so its surface area is 2 (without units). But the volume of it is 2 linear units which does indeed comprise a line segment.
7:19 Oh wow, this gets really interesting ! The title could have been: "Spheres packed in a box from 2 to 12 dimensions! You won't believe what happens in the 9th dimension!"
I'm going to become a famous pop star just so I can name my debut album "You won't believe what happens in the 9th dimension!" Don't worry, I'll credit you as a producer.
I like how that pattern also explains 1-dimensional drawings, square root of 1 - 1 = 0 and how 0 dimension makes that square root of 0 - 1 = -1, which is imaginary/impossible.
By the way, just letting you know, higher dimensional spheres AREN'T spiky by any means, if fact they're still symmetrical in all directions, and are convex just like their lower-dimensional counterparts. You might think now, that this is contradictory to what we've heard in the video. BUT IT'S NOT! Let's take the 10-dimensional case for example. The central sphere in fact is able to go out of the 4x4-box boundry, while still touching the outer spheres. Why? Because the outer spheres don't touch or even get close to any of the axes, they only touch all 9-dimensional hyperspaces formed by each group of 9 axes. They also don't touch: - any of the planes that are determined by groups of 2 axes, - any of the spaces that are determined by groups of 3 axes - any of the hyperspaces that are determined by groups of 4 axes, - any of the hyperspaces that are determined by groups of 5 axes, - any of the hyperspaces that are determined by groups of 6 axes, - any of the hyperspaces that are determined by groups of 7 axes, - any of the hyperspaces that are determined by groups of 8 axes, They only touch: - hyperspaces determined by groups of 9 axes. Basically, they are REALLY far away from any of the axes, and VERY far away from the center, there is plently of space for the central sphere to expand. It's only our 3 dimensional brain that thinks: Hey, all the outer spheres should touch all the sides of the coordiante system, but in reality, they come nowhere near (as explained above). If you're still confused, I recommend you doing some maths to prove yourself wrong: "Let's try to prove, that in the 10 dimensional case, if we take a a sphere who's radius is (sqrt(10)-1), which is larger than 2, then it will have a common region with the outer spheres, let's say for example with a sphere whose center is in (1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1), and radius is 1 - meaning that they won't just touch, but intersect." This is a very easy example to check, since for a point "to be inside of a sphere" means "to be at most it's radius away from the center", which is really easy to calculate. And you will soon realize that they do actually only touch (and they don't intersect), since the points (1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1) and (0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0) are really far away.
I don't like that analogy either. I think it would be more appropriate to say the 3-D shadows (I know there is a term for that ...embedding?) become spikier. It's just that our minds are conditioned to a 3-dimensional world and can't fathom more dimensions or shapes within those dimensions.
sounds like the higher dimensions intersect with the lower dimensions at the exact same point. such as (1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1). but as soon as one coordinate changes, like (1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,0), the they don't touch and are extremely far away from touching each other. correct me if i am wrong. also i'm not sure why they said spiky, i'm sure they have reason for describing it that way, but i agree with you that they are still spheres by its very definition. we can only think of that box in 3d but have no idea what it is in 5d. 1d is a slice of 2d and 2d is a slice of 3d, 3d is just a slice of 4d. and if 4d is a slice of 5d, i cant imagine what that means for the 4x4 box or its spheres in 5d or going foward.
+Andrew Olesen The 2-D shadow of the 3-D inner sphere is not spikier than the 2-D inner sphere. Why would the 3-D shadow of the 4-D sphere or the sphere in any higher dimension be spikier?
but if you rotate a sphere, the shadow should never be spiky. so a 3d sphere casts a 2d sphere shadow. and a 4d sphere casts a 3d sphere shadow... but still round.. and a 5d sphere should cast a 4d shadow still round. unless "round" is something different altogether in higher dimensions.
+Vampyricon He gave a "solution" to a matematical proposition involving square numbers. So he practically did it but failed from overlooking an important detail and now "parker square" is called to any situation where you almost manage to do something important but you fail miserably.
In 11 dimensional string theory, when you squeeze something down smaller than a plank length, it actually gets bigger. It turns out that the mathematics the describes a string smaller than a plank length is identical to the mathematics that describes basically the inverse string bigger than a plank length (which is why that's the smallest size a string can be).
What if we start at or include the 0th dimension? Would that make the radius equal to -1 ? And what about negative dimensions, do we get complex radii?? The -1st dimension would give a radius of i-1 Or what about imaginary or complex dimensions, does that even make sense??
It should be noted though that to anything used to higher dimensional space the spheres wouldn't seem spiky at all, but rather well... spherical. It is there three (or two) dimensional representation that might be spiky.
@@brcoutme This is spot on, a 2dimensional projection of a 3d sphere to a 2d flatlander would appear spikey in some representations. But a sphere makes as much sense as a circle to us because we live and think in 3 dimensions. A sphere in 8 dimensions projected in some way to us would look spikey because were somehow compacting 8 dimensions in a really skewed way to 3d. But in 8 dimensions the center of a 8d unit sphere still has radius 1 and no matter which surface of the sphere you draw a line to from the center it'll always be distance 1. The sphere growing larger than the box is pretty mindblowing. But it has more to do with the fact that the amount of space inside a box in higher dimensions grows quite large really fast and the spheres are only touching each other at one point. Still hard to wrap your head around the fact that the center sphere can somehow be larger to escape the actual box itself. But i suspect (because intuitively this is the only way it makes sense to me) That is possible to actually have a sphere with a larger radius than the box is long that is still fully contained within the box because of the sheer amount of volume in such a box at higher dimensions. Like a 12 dimensional person wouldn't see the sphere escape the box. The sphere would have a larger radius than the box is long but because of the volume that sphere can be contained entirely inside the box while being longer without leaving the box. I guess the way i think about it is, if you have a 1x1 square you can fit a root2 line in it by turning it diagonally it is longer than the box is wide but doesn't escape the box.
@@spawn142001 The thing is it does escape the box, it was never said our subject sphere doesn't escape the box, just that it is defined by, "kissing" the padding spheres that "kiss" edges of the box. The thing to keep in mind is that the padding spheres always have a radius of 1 (there are more padding spheres in each ascending dimension), therefore at higher dimensions (more than 4) the subject sphere has a larger radius than it's own padding spheres. When we get to much higher dimensions (10 up) the subject sphere is no longer contained by the box. It might be easier to think of this like portals in fantasy or sci-fiction. From a simple direct 2 dimensional view, it may simply appear as if the area between the circles was being filled. On the other hand, their may be angles in our higher dimensions where a 2d snap shot might not show our subject sphere at all.
The moment Matt said "That's adequate" referring to the circle, I nearly screamed at my screen "PARKER CIRCLE!" I was so happy to be vindicated 2 seconds later. Brady is always on his A game.
'It's not getting any bigger, it's gaining more directions within it.' As Matt well knows, it's not about how much space you have - it's what you do with it
I don't get what "spikiness" has to do with it. The more dimensions you add, the more room you get corner to corner. In a line of 4 units, the length is 4 = sqrt(16). In the 4-unit square, the length of the diagonal is sqrt(32) . In the cube the length of the distance from most opposite vertices is sqrt(48). You are getting longer distances each time you add a dimension because you have to go another 4 units in a direction orthogonal to what you had before adding the new direction.
The way I think of it is not by thinking of higher dimensional spheres as spiky. I actually think that's not the best: I prefer to think of higher dimensional spheres as smooth and to reconcile the pseudo-paradoxically unbounded growth of the central sphere by realizing the higher dimensional space itself (indeed, boxes) are bigger than I think; what I mean is that the space itself grows quickly as you add dimensions, so your intuition about how objects fit together naturally begins to break down a bit.
True. Actually it is the box that is more spiky in higher dimensions, because the the inner hyper angle becomes smaller and smaller relative to the full angle.
It's like the spheres become more and more like the surface of the box, which makes the void bigger and bigger and you can fit a bigger and bigger new sphere in it. At least that's how I think about it.
How did i not know that the hypotenuse of a right equilateral triangle is √2 because it lives in a 2-dimenional universe, and it's √3 for a right angle equilateral pyramid.
Loved this video, thank you. My whole life I've felt somewhat annoyed with the perpetual inability to visualize higher-dimensional solids, as though I somehow thought that "if I tried hard enough or tried the right way, I could do it." Of course, it isn't possible for us to really imagine what they would look like, but still like everyone else watching I'm sure, I find myself frustrated by the notion that "in higher dimensions, spheres become spiky." Of course we're all thinking "but what would that look like?" -- as if there was a way to answer this that we could grasp. I'm sure that 'spiky' doesn't exactly describe it, after all by definition all points on a higher-dimensional sphere must be equally distant from its center-- but I guess that it was an imperfect way to help describe certain properties of it. Higher dimensions have fascinated me since practically childhood, I'd love to see more videos on topics like this.
@@briandiehl9257 LoL The original meme is about "Parker Squares". This video talks about alleged "Parker Circles." And Renshaw here suggests the introduction of "Parker Triangles".
8:24 There's a better trick called watching 3Blue1Brown's video on reasoning with higher dimensional spheres called "Thinking Outside the 10-dimensional Box"
If I remember correctly, in the episode where they meet the tardis put into a person, the doctor says it's an 11D entity... so that might actually be how that works!
9:30 "Well, somewhat appropriately, this video about fitting circles and spheres into a square space has been brought to you by ..." RAID: SHADOW LEGENDS?
bro, that's the thing. NO ONE CAN EXACTLY DESCRIBE 4-DIMENSION. We are just the "shadow" of it, a cross-section of it. The same way 2-D drawings are shadows and cross-sections of a 3-D world. 2-D world will never know life moving in the z-axis, the same way we will never know life moving in the fourth axis.
There's a trick you can use in mathematics called not worrying about it. That said, if you can draw a 3-dimensional cube in 2 dimensions (imperfectly), and you can draw a 3d sphere in 2 dimensions (with shading), is there no way to have a 3 dimensional model of a 4d sphere. I know you can model a 4d cube, so I don't see why a sphere would be any more difficult.
In a circle (2-sphere) the boundary curves into 1 extra dimension, in a 3-sphere it curves into 2 extra dimensions and in a 4-sphere it curves into 3 extra dimensions to keep the distance to the center. And a 3-plane(3-dim subspace) in any orientation through the 4-sphere will create a 3-sphere with the radius=sqrt(radius_of_4sphere² -distance_of_plane_from_center²) as a slice in this 3dim-subspace.
@@jamirimaj6880 We can easily exactly describe the 4th dimension, its really rather routine to work in higher dimensions. We cannot ever visualize 4d perfectly of course which is what I think you mean.
The moment you drew that explanation with square root of 2 was very helpful. Mathematics in school should have examples like this. This really helped me understand your point.
That's interesting. But how do the volumes of the spheres change with increasing dimension? And how does the ratio of the sphere volume to the enclosing box volume change with increasing dimension?
It may also be useful to think of higher dimensional spheres at smooth, but higher dimensional boxes as spiky. After all, it is the boxes which have their diameter going towards infinity as the dimension increases. In this mode of thinking, the 'confining' spheres get pushed further and further out into the corners of the box, leaving large amounts of room for the central sphere.
TreuloseTomate I was just going to comment this. He has, so far, the best way of intuiting this. Also while you are doing this take time to measure the volume inside the box and subtract the volume of the packing spheres. The difference gives you an idea of just how much extra space there is in higher dimensions. I wish there were 4 spacial dimensions because I am a hoarder. Lol.
veggiet2009 Was it his video that I saw this problem in first? Because I didn't really understand why this happened from that video at all but this video did really make me understand it.
Quintinohthree, are you sure? Because I found this video borderline misleading. Of course hyperspheres aren't spiky. All their points still have the same distance from the center.
'From 10 dimensions and up, the central sphere is bigger than the box...' Yes, in the sense that its *diameter* is greater than the *side* of the enclosing box; so that it pokes out through the faces. But it's *never* as big as the diameter of the *box,* which is its (main) diagonal. In fact, the box diagonal is always more than twice the center-sphere's diameter: Diameter, D(d) = 2r(d) = 2(√d - 1) . . . box-diagonal = 4√d > 2D(d) = 4(√d - 1) So that central sphere never encloses the box, which really *would* be weird!!
An intuitive way to grasp the "spikiness" of high-dimensional spheres is that the Central Limit Theorem starts to apply. The projected mass of the sphere beings to resemble a normal distribution along each dimension, but shrunk down horizontally so that instead of the tails growing longer and longer, the middle instead gets taller and taller and the arms thinner and thinner. This concept is called "Concentration of Measure" in the literature. Nice video!
It gets even weirder. I found the equation for the vulme of a n-sphere and the volume of a n-cube, plugged in this formula for the center sphere, and compared the volume of the sphere vs the volume of the cube. For sufficiently high dimensions, the volume of the center sphere is higher Tha the volume of the containing cube. For instance, at 26 dimensions, the cube has a volume of 4.5035 e15, while the sphere has a volume of 1.21 e17.
The weird thing, for me, is that the distance between a cube whose edge lengths are 1 (a square with sides 1, a cube where each face’s sides are 1 length, a hyper cube with cubic faces whose face’s sides are length 1, etc.) and it’s corner *also* grows without bound for the same reason. A 1d unit cube has a distance of 1 from its corner, 2d unit cube a distance of 1.414…, a 3d cube 1.732…, 4d cube 2, 5d cube 2.236… The higher dimension a unit cube is, the longer it takes to get to the corner.
Woah dude I totally own that book you wrote! :D I want to read it soon but I have 13 books to read just for coursework this semester so it'll probably have to wait until winter break. Also this video blew my mind!
If you keep in mind that the 'space' inside the higher dimension 'boxes' is way bigger and keeps growing, then the 'spheres' don't have to be spiky and the >2 'sphere' can fit in.
I don't think it works that way. The size of spheres are based on measurement of distances; so with a distance of >2 you go over a bigger distance than the size of a side of the 10+D box.
Turns out there are many videos on RUclips, and from time to time there will be overlap in creators making videos on a particular topic. Sometimes it's not a coincidence; usually it is.
During a practice scholarship paper my class did a question similar to this where we had to work out the area of the circle in the very centre given only values of the outer edges of the square.
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Numberphile amazing
Best running gag ever.
I have a question about the whole 7 x 13= 28 I saw this on RUclips and I think I figured out what happens I'd thought I ask if you could make a video about it
+Austin515wolf Abbot and Costello beat him to it. See In the Navy (1941)
HAVE WE GONE TOO FAR? OR HAVE WE NOT GONE FAR ENOUGH?
*"There is a trick that you can use in mathematics called not worrying about it."*
I need that on a shirt
I'll just tell that to my math teacher when I fail.
2017 Xtremum Domini
I heard him say that and I'll probably be laughing about it for a week
I actually had to pause the video and write it down planning to paint it in cubital letters in my office wall
"I'm going to call them spheres no matter the dimensions."
>Continues calling them circles indefinitely
same thing really
Brady, I need to thank you for keeping the parker memes alive for more than a year without ruining them. I got my parker square shirt already and will see how many parker circles I can fit in it.
achu11th Parker circles are "spikier" than the dimension and spiky is a Parker description of higher dimensions :)
Actually, the term "spiky" perfectly describes Parker Dimensions, which are similar to normal mathematical dimensions except that there's something a little off about them; personally, I think they're adequate.
22/7, anyone want some parker pi?
Parker circles are allowed to overlap, so you can fit infinite Parker circles.
P4RK3R C1RCL3
Student: "How do imagine things in the 4th dimension???!!!"
Maths Professor: "Easy! You just imagine the nth dimension and let n=4"
Perhaps the 4th dimension could be time. Imagine a sphere morphing as a function of time
Sebastian Aguiar Generally, In the context of math, the fourth dimension is considered another physical dimension. I believed
@@seDrakonkill Actually, the nature of the dimension is irrelevant to the maths involved. 4+ dimensional graphs are useful. Being able to compute geometry in higher dimensions is a great toolset for data analysis.
Woah what a professional technique
Student:"How do imagibe things in the nth dimension???!!!"
Teacher:"Easy! You just imagine the 4th dimension and let 4=n"
Or
Student:"How do imagibe things in the nth dimension???!!!"
Teacher:"Easy! You just imagine the Yth dimension and let Y=N"
I absolutely lost it at Parker Circle.
There's a t-shirt too
Me too :D
Yeah its absolutely hilarious! XD
Parker triangle
Andrew Kovnat me too I like how he can just make fun of him and they still like it
I love how Brady says, "Parker circle" and Matt's reactions is like, "Ah f*#%" instantly realizing that a new meme was added to the family 😂
There is a trick that you can use in Mathematics : by not worrying about it.- Matt Parker 2017
#parkertrick
Vinit Doke parkertrick
I wish I had thought to say that to any one of my math teachers in school. "You need to show your work or you won't get credit!" "Well, professor, the trick here is to not worry about it."
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What about the dimension where spheres can be larger than the box containing them? The answer is don't think about it Morty.
You just got Ricked!!!
It's not the higher dimension spheres that are "spiky". It's the higher dimension cubes that are spiky.
The corner n-spheres have radius 1 in all directions and all dimensions.
For the cubes, the distance from the center to the corners increases without bound with the number of dimensions, while the distance from the center to the faces remains constant.
That's a spiky n-cube.
The central sphere can grow endlessly, since the corner spheres are "close" to the corners, which are further from the center as the number of dimensions increases.
Nicolai Sanders Thanks!
This is actually the more intuitive explanation
Thank you I was looking for this.
The idea of a spikey sphere seemed like mental gymnastics.
Thanks man. This makes sense. I was going nuts with the spikey sphere idea.
IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW
Teacher: "Do you call that a circle?"
Me: "Yes Sir, that's called a Parker Circle."
#ParkerCircle
XD
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At first I was like, "wait, if the sphere is already larger than the side of the box, and it keeps getting larger, shouldn't it eventually go beyond the corners?" but then I remembered, that in higher dimensions, the distance to the corner is multiplied by sqrt(n), so sqrt(4) for 4D, sqrt(5) for 5D and so on, so it's not the sphere that is getting spiky, it's the box!
The sphere in a way could get spiky, say, in dimension 100. Some points in the sphere have a coordinate of 1 somewhere with all the others zero, but there are also points with all coordinates of just 0.1 or -0.1. Only a few points have a high value in one or two coordinates.
@@coopergates9680 But in these direction the box has even higer values than the middle sphere?
@@skrlaviolette The sphere has a larger diameter than the box's side length. However, the box's corners keep getting further away as the # of dimensions rises. In dimension 100, a cube centered at the origin with side length 2 will have corners ten units away from the origin, as opposed to only two units away in dimension 4.
@@coopergates9680 Yes, in 2D, the corners of the cube are sqrt(2) away from the origin, in 3D sqrt 3.
If we say the the side length is 4 , it means to me, that the surface of the cube interect with the axis at a distance 2. The sphere intersects with the axis at its radius, which is grater than 2 for n>10, right? Or is it different for higher dimensions, because the surface of a 10D cube is made out of 9D cubes?
@@skrlaviolette The boundary of the cube still does intersect the x-axis at x = +- (side length / 2).
*Walks into the fruit section, starts comparing the sphericity of oranges*
Furkell go big or go home. Melons!
#ParkerOrange
The word you want is oblateness. Sphericity is not what you think it is.
I don't usually pay much attention to thumbnails, but the thumbnail for this video is absolutely perfect! It tells you what the video's about, works in the joke about the slightly scraggly circles, and, Matt's expression is priceless! Seriously, you did an awesome job designing this one.
“There is a trick you can use in mathematics called… not worrying about it.” - Ah! :-D
The answer is don't think about it Morty.
Eric Eggert
Lots of high school students know this intuitively... a bit too well.
I only use that when I absolutely need to. XD
I'll note this also works in 1 dimension. By the definition of sphere as "the set of points equidistant from a point", a 1-dimensional sphere would simply be a line segment. The pattern suggests a "largest sphere" with a radius of sqrt(1) - 1, i.e., 0, which is exactly the gap between two line segments with a radius of 1 filling a line segment of length 4.
Being a bit pedantic, but the 1-d sphere isn't a line segment, it's two individual points equidistant to the center. It's like in 2-d, your circle is made of a 1-d line shifted through the 2nd dimension, a 1-d sphere is a 0-d object shifted through the 1st dimension.
@@noahbaden90 You're correct.
The surface of a 1 dimensional sphere is a set of 2 points yes, so its surface area is 2 (without units). But the volume of it is 2 linear units which does indeed comprise a line segment.
I wonder how many Parker circles would fit in a Parker square
EnGIsNowhere oh shiiiiiiiii
About as many as you'd need to fit, but not quite.
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3.14...
Moral of the story is: *_”DON’T_* use padding spheres in 10D and up.”.
7:19 Oh wow, this gets really interesting ! The title could have been:
"Spheres packed in a box from 2 to 12 dimensions! You won't believe what happens in the 9th dimension!"
I'm going to become a famous pop star just so I can name my debut album "You won't believe what happens in the 9th dimension!"
Don't worry, I'll credit you as a producer.
@@Dorian_sapiens commenting to see if the album is available.
@gigglysam clickbait
"there's a trick you can use in mathematics called not worrying about it".
Yep.
The Parker shape family is slowly expanding :D
It's expanding to beyond it's bounding box
The field of Parker Geometry is developing quite quickly.
In the end it'll have all the shapes, but not quite. (can't wait to see the parker icosaheadron)
Omg I died laughing.
#parkercircle
+SoulSilverSnorlax Godel proved in 2013 that Parker Geometry is both self-condradicting and incomplete.
Matt Parker is my fav professor from this channel. Reminds me of my own uncle and high school math teacher.
"They've gone a bit beyond kissing"
lololol
Someone really needs to make a "Matt Parker out of context" video
The 4th dimension has to be so beautiful and symmetrical given the contained sphere being exactly 1
This video only leaves me with one question - what is the audio waveform on Matt's shirt of?
Maybe it's a rude word...
Donald Trump MAGA
It looks like a pretty long waveform, like a softer piece of music, or a decent amount of speech.
The shirt also had bird doodles (the "flying eyebrows") on it, which I imagine is related. A bird's call maybe?
Probably a waveform for Parker square
I like how that pattern also explains 1-dimensional drawings, square root of 1 - 1 = 0
and how 0 dimension makes that square root of 0 - 1 = -1, which is imaginary/impossible.
-1 isn't imaginary. Root(-1) is. And the root was on the 0, giving root(0) - 1 = -1
I'm a simple man, I see Matt Parker and a square and I click
I try to click, but don't quite succeed. But I give it a go.
For being simple that sure is oddly specific.
false.
By the way, just letting you know, higher dimensional spheres AREN'T spiky by any means, if fact they're still symmetrical in all directions, and are convex just like their lower-dimensional counterparts.
You might think now, that this is contradictory to what we've heard in the video. BUT IT'S NOT!
Let's take the 10-dimensional case for example. The central sphere in fact is able to go out of the 4x4-box boundry, while still touching the outer spheres.
Why? Because the outer spheres don't touch or even get close to any of the axes, they only touch all 9-dimensional hyperspaces formed by each group of 9 axes.
They also don't touch:
- any of the planes that are determined by groups of 2 axes,
- any of the spaces that are determined by groups of 3 axes
- any of the hyperspaces that are determined by groups of 4 axes,
- any of the hyperspaces that are determined by groups of 5 axes,
- any of the hyperspaces that are determined by groups of 6 axes,
- any of the hyperspaces that are determined by groups of 7 axes,
- any of the hyperspaces that are determined by groups of 8 axes,
They only touch:
- hyperspaces determined by groups of 9 axes.
Basically, they are REALLY far away from any of the axes, and VERY far away from the center, there is plently of space for the central sphere to expand.
It's only our 3 dimensional brain that thinks: Hey, all the outer spheres should touch all the sides of the coordiante system, but in reality, they come nowhere near (as explained above).
If you're still confused, I recommend you doing some maths to prove yourself wrong:
"Let's try to prove, that in the 10 dimensional case, if we take a a sphere who's radius is (sqrt(10)-1), which is larger than 2, then it will have a common region with the outer spheres, let's say for example with a sphere whose center is in (1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1), and radius is 1 - meaning that they won't just touch, but intersect."
This is a very easy example to check, since for a point "to be inside of a sphere" means "to be at most it's radius away from the center", which is really easy to calculate.
And you will soon realize that they do actually only touch (and they don't intersect), since the points (1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1) and (0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0) are really far away.
AtricosHU It's an analogy...
I don't like that analogy either. I think it would be more appropriate to say the 3-D shadows (I know there is a term for that ...embedding?) become spikier. It's just that our minds are conditioned to a 3-dimensional world and can't fathom more dimensions or shapes within those dimensions.
sounds like the higher dimensions intersect with the lower dimensions at the exact same point. such as (1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1). but as soon as one coordinate changes, like (1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,0), the they don't touch and are extremely far away from touching each other. correct me if i am wrong. also i'm not sure why they said spiky, i'm sure they have reason for describing it that way, but i agree with you that they are still spheres by its very definition. we can only think of that box in 3d but have no idea what it is in 5d. 1d is a slice of 2d and 2d is a slice of 3d, 3d is just a slice of 4d. and if 4d is a slice of 5d, i cant imagine what that means for the 4x4 box or its spheres in 5d or going foward.
+Andrew Olesen The 2-D shadow of the 3-D inner sphere is not spikier than the 2-D inner sphere. Why would the 3-D shadow of the 4-D sphere or the sphere in any higher dimension be spikier?
but if you rotate a sphere, the shadow should never be spiky. so a 3d sphere casts a 2d sphere shadow. and a 4d sphere casts a 3d sphere shadow... but still round.. and a 5d sphere should cast a 4d shadow still round. unless "round" is something different altogether in higher dimensions.
"That's a Parker's circle" ahahhahahahahahahah
haha literally all of the comments are saying this lol!
Because we love Matt Parker
I said that aloud a couple of seconds before he did. 😀
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The best part was when Matt started to repeat it and then realized what he said.
0:02 capture, contain, investigate
sounds a whole lot like secure contain protect if you ask me
ParkerBox containing ParkerCircles ... brilliant
This video is now 372 days old and it still gets me at 1:16 with "Parker Circle"
#ParkerCircle
What's this Parker Square meme about?
Just search it in youtube.
He'll NEVER live it down...
+Vampyricon
He gave a "solution" to a matematical proposition involving square numbers. So he practically did it but failed from overlooking an important detail and now "parker square" is called to any situation where you almost manage to do something important but you fail miserably.
#Adequate
Matt returning the favor of the Parker Circle bit rather well at 9:00.
So the Tardis must be working in a 10+ dimensional space in order to be bigger on the inside
In 11 dimensional string theory, when you squeeze something down smaller than a plank length, it actually gets bigger. It turns out that the mathematics the describes a string smaller than a plank length is identical to the mathematics that describes basically the inverse string bigger than a plank length (which is why that's the smallest size a string can be).
Sam- Fascinating but it's obvious that the Planck length is smaller than the length of a plank.
It's also impossible to make a Planck plank.
Maturkus Not unless you trick the observer, the Planck plank prank.
graphite How many of those have you pulled off? What's your Planck plank prank rank?
1:07 I thought Matt swore in response to the Parker Circle comment and I almost spat my tea out
Now we can call every badly drawn circle as a Parker circle
You're username has to be the most intelligent anime character
They gave it a go
Pure class!! I’ll never tire of watching Numb/Compphile vids, or rewatching old ones. Especially those with with Matt in them :)
First, a Parker square, then a Parker circle. What's next? A Parker triangle!?
3C Kitani my name is parker
Parker Theorem: The Parker square of the hypotenuse of a Parker triangle equals almost but not quite the sum of the Parker squares of the other sides.
talha tariq Oh, sorry. I don't know if there's another "Parker" here.
3C Kitani probs a parker cube.
I prefer the Free Triangle. Made of three right angles. #AH
"Imagine your favourite film with a spiky thing in it. It's a bit like that."
That pun-tastic seque into the sponsors ad at the end was a work of art.
3:30 who are we to judge circles’ relationships
8:13 you could have started with 1 dimension. It works too.
It's a lot less intuitive to start with ... specialy because your "sphere in 1D" have r = root(1) - 1 = 0 so it's just a point ^^
What would be the point?
Wait, that's zero dimensions. Never mind.
What if we start at or include the 0th dimension? Would that make the radius equal to -1 ?
And what about negative dimensions, do we get complex radii?? The -1st dimension would give a radius of i-1
Or what about imaginary or complex dimensions, does that even make sense??
Spikey points?
not to mention irrational dimensions
or... complex dimensions lol :P
2:50 I don't know why but i kind of expected you to draw a vertical line in the air there
Spiky spheres sound like spheres that aren't quite right somehow...Parker Spheres....
It should be noted though that to anything used to higher dimensional space the spheres wouldn't seem spiky at all, but rather well... spherical. It is there three (or two) dimensional representation that might be spiky.
@@brcoutme This is spot on, a 2dimensional projection of a 3d sphere to a 2d flatlander would appear spikey in some representations. But a sphere makes as much sense as a circle to us because we live and think in 3 dimensions. A sphere in 8 dimensions projected in some way to us would look spikey because were somehow compacting 8 dimensions in a really skewed way to 3d. But in 8 dimensions the center of a 8d unit sphere still has radius 1 and no matter which surface of the sphere you draw a line to from the center it'll always be distance 1.
The sphere growing larger than the box is pretty mindblowing. But it has more to do with the fact that the amount of space inside a box in higher dimensions grows quite large really fast and the spheres are only touching each other at one point. Still hard to wrap your head around the fact that the center sphere can somehow be larger to escape the actual box itself. But i suspect (because intuitively this is the only way it makes sense to me) That is possible to actually have a sphere with a larger radius than the box is long that is still fully contained within the box because of the sheer amount of volume in such a box at higher dimensions. Like a 12 dimensional person wouldn't see the sphere escape the box. The sphere would have a larger radius than the box is long but because of the volume that sphere can be contained entirely inside the box while being longer without leaving the box.
I guess the way i think about it is, if you have a 1x1 square you can fit a root2 line in it by turning it diagonally it is longer than the box is wide but doesn't escape the box.
@@spawn142001 The thing is it does escape the box, it was never said our subject sphere doesn't escape the box, just that it is defined by, "kissing" the padding spheres that "kiss" edges of the box. The thing to keep in mind is that the padding spheres always have a radius of 1 (there are more padding spheres in each ascending dimension), therefore at higher dimensions (more than 4) the subject sphere has a larger radius than it's own padding spheres. When we get to much higher dimensions (10 up) the subject sphere is no longer contained by the box. It might be easier to think of this like portals in fantasy or sci-fiction. From a simple direct 2 dimensional view, it may simply appear as if the area between the circles was being filled. On the other hand, their may be angles in our higher dimensions where a 2d snap shot might not show our subject sphere at all.
No, a parker truncated gyroelongated disphenoid.
The moment Matt said "That's adequate" referring to the circle, I nearly screamed at my screen "PARKER CIRCLE!" I was so happy to be vindicated 2 seconds later. Brady is always on his A game.
Yay! Now we have Parker squares and circles!
We need regular Parker polygons of all kind!
I support this motion!
I believe they would work similar to the Eisenbud Heptadecagon.
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"The cheapest spheres I could find in a grocery stores"
I wonder what are the most expensive hyperspheres out there
3:23 I guess you could say those circles are quite into each other :^)
'It's not getting any bigger, it's gaining more directions within it.'
As Matt well knows, it's not about how much space you have - it's what you do with it
"In 4d lovely stuff happens..." brilliant add placement. One of my absolute favorite books.
I don't get what "spikiness" has to do with it. The more dimensions you add, the more room you get corner to corner. In a line of 4 units, the length is 4 = sqrt(16). In the 4-unit square, the length of the diagonal is sqrt(32) . In the cube the length of the distance from most opposite vertices is sqrt(48). You are getting longer distances each time you add a dimension because you have to go another 4 units in a direction orthogonal to what you had before adding the new direction.
The way I think of it is not by thinking of higher dimensional spheres as spiky. I actually think that's not the best: I prefer to think of higher dimensional spheres as smooth and to reconcile the pseudo-paradoxically unbounded growth of the central sphere by realizing the higher dimensional space itself (indeed, boxes) are bigger than I think; what I mean is that the space itself grows quickly as you add dimensions, so your intuition about how objects fit together naturally begins to break down a bit.
Right, they're not spiky at all; in fact, they're the least spiky things you can have in each number of dimensions.
True. Actually it is the box that is more spiky in higher dimensions, because the the inner hyper angle becomes smaller and smaller relative to the full angle.
Or you could just think of it leaving the box because it is not bound by our three dimensional thinking or model anymore.
It's like the spheres become more and more like the surface of the box, which makes the void bigger and bigger and you can fit a bigger and bigger new sphere in it. At least that's how I think about it.
Steffen Bendel My thoughts exactly. It's the n-cube that gets spiky. As the corners get further from the origin so do the spheres packed into them.
How did i not know that the hypotenuse of a right equilateral triangle is √2 because it lives in a 2-dimenional universe, and it's √3 for a right angle equilateral pyramid.
Loved this video, thank you. My whole life I've felt somewhat annoyed with the perpetual inability to visualize higher-dimensional solids, as though I somehow thought that "if I tried hard enough or tried the right way, I could do it." Of course, it isn't possible for us to really imagine what they would look like, but still like everyone else watching I'm sure, I find myself frustrated by the notion that "in higher dimensions, spheres become spiky." Of course we're all thinking "but what would that look like?" -- as if there was a way to answer this that we could grasp. I'm sure that 'spiky' doesn't exactly describe it, after all by definition all points on a higher-dimensional sphere must be equally distant from its center-- but I guess that it was an imperfect way to help describe certain properties of it. Higher dimensions have fascinated me since practically childhood, I'd love to see more videos on topics like this.
2:18 Matt Parker grocery shopping: "Can you direct me to the aisle where I might find your cheapest spheres good sir?"
Eagerly awaiting the introduction of the #parkertriangle now.
Parker Illuminati confirmed.
@@briandiehl9257 Parkunimatti* confirmed.
Matt Parker
@@pranavlimaye I have no memory of what a Parker triangle is
@@briandiehl9257 LoL
The original meme is about "Parker Squares". This video talks about alleged "Parker Circles." And Renshaw here suggests the introduction of "Parker Triangles".
@@pranavlimaye I see. I don't think i have watched this channel in 3 years
8:24 There's a better trick called watching 3Blue1Brown's video on reasoning with higher dimensional spheres called "Thinking Outside the 10-dimensional Box"
"The short moral of the story is that high dimensional spheres are really weird." - Probably the best quote of the year.
So after 9d we start to make our own Tardis? Cool :-)
If I remember correctly, in the episode where they meet the tardis put into a person, the doctor says it's an 11D entity... so that might actually be how that works!
9:30 "Well, somewhat appropriately, this video about fitting circles and spheres into a square space has been brought to you by ..."
RAID: SHADOW LEGENDS?
Can we get a video where someone tries to describe the geometry of a sphere in 4 dimensions? I’ve looked into it, and it’s really weird and confusing
What's confusing about it lol? All the points that are a certain distance from the origin, looks pretty simple to me man.
bro, that's the thing. NO ONE CAN EXACTLY DESCRIBE 4-DIMENSION. We are just the "shadow" of it, a cross-section of it. The same way 2-D drawings are shadows and cross-sections of a 3-D world. 2-D world will never know life moving in the z-axis, the same way we will never know life moving in the fourth axis.
There's a trick you can use in mathematics called not worrying about it. That said, if you can draw a 3-dimensional cube in 2 dimensions (imperfectly), and you can draw a 3d sphere in 2 dimensions (with shading), is there no way to have a 3 dimensional model of a 4d sphere. I know you can model a 4d cube, so I don't see why a sphere would be any more difficult.
In a circle (2-sphere) the boundary curves into 1 extra dimension, in a 3-sphere it curves into 2 extra dimensions and in a 4-sphere it curves into 3 extra dimensions to keep the distance to the center.
And a 3-plane(3-dim subspace) in any orientation through the 4-sphere will create a 3-sphere with the radius=sqrt(radius_of_4sphere² -distance_of_plane_from_center²) as a slice in this 3dim-subspace.
@@jamirimaj6880 We can easily exactly describe the 4th dimension, its really rather routine to work in higher dimensions. We cannot ever visualize 4d perfectly of course which is what I think you mean.
Dr. Who's TARDIS is bigger on the inside than on the outside, maybe this is the math that the Time Lords use.
Parker circles are "spikier" than the dimension theyre in and spiky is a Parker description of higher dimensions :)
The Matt Parker memes are literally the best thing ever, I love this guy.
I called my dog "PI" because he's infinitely constant.
and irrational?
I dont have a dog and i call it i cuz it is unreal
The moment you drew that explanation with square root of 2 was very helpful.
Mathematics in school should have examples like this. This really helped me understand your point.
I dont understand why parker didnt bring 10 dimensional oranges
Tesco didn't have any that day.
@@mytube001 😔
That's interesting. But how do the volumes of the spheres change with increasing dimension? And how does the ratio of the sphere volume to the enclosing box volume change with increasing dimension?
#ParkerCircle
I think Matt will forever be teased with this😂
It may also be useful to think of higher dimensional spheres at smooth, but higher dimensional boxes as spiky. After all, it is the boxes which have their diameter going towards infinity as the dimension increases. In this mode of thinking, the 'confining' spheres get pushed further and further out into the corners of the box, leaving large amounts of room for the central sphere.
3Blue1Brown
TreuloseTomate I was just going to comment this. He has, so far, the best way of intuiting this.
Also while you are doing this take time to measure the volume inside the box and subtract the volume of the packing spheres. The difference gives you an idea of just how much extra space there is in higher dimensions.
I wish there were 4 spacial dimensions because I am a hoarder. Lol.
veggiet2009 Was it his video that I saw this problem in first? Because I didn't really understand why this happened from that video at all but this video did really make me understand it.
Quintinohthree z
Quintinohthree, are you sure? Because I found this video borderline misleading. Of course hyperspheres aren't spiky. All their points still have the same distance from the center.
On Infinite Series it was even before 3Blue1Brown
They're getting to know each other *VERY WELL*
What was the audio waveform on his tshirt?
From the creators of the parker square, we have the parker circle.
It's in times like these where I quote Rick Sanchez: "Don't think about it!"
Cubik To be fair....
Ok no, I won't.
'From 10 dimensions and up, the central sphere is bigger than the box...'
Yes, in the sense that its *diameter* is greater than the *side* of the enclosing box; so that it pokes out through the faces.
But it's *never* as big as the diameter of the *box,* which is its (main) diagonal. In fact, the box diagonal is always more than twice the center-sphere's diameter:
Diameter, D(d) = 2r(d) = 2(√d - 1) . . . box-diagonal = 4√d > 2D(d) = 4(√d - 1)
So that central sphere never encloses the box, which really *would* be weird!!
Excellent work - I was thinking exactly this, and I'm glad someone put it better than I could.
#parkercircle
I was waiting for a Parker Circle comment and Brady didn't disappoint.
1:01 These circles look very good actually, I challenge Brady to draw better ones XD
"There's a trick you can use in mathematics called 'not worrying about it'."
- The best thing Matt Parker has ever said. Amazingly quotable!
1:33 I spent 5 minutes trying to answer that, he explained it in 30 seconds :')
An intuitive way to grasp the "spikiness" of high-dimensional spheres is that the Central Limit Theorem starts to apply. The projected mass of the sphere beings to resemble a normal distribution along each dimension, but shrunk down horizontally so that instead of the tails growing longer and longer, the middle instead gets taller and taller and the arms thinner and thinner. This concept is called "Concentration of Measure" in the literature. Nice video!
Matt, don't listen to the haters- just Parker Square
It gets even weirder.
I found the equation for the vulme of a n-sphere and the volume of a n-cube, plugged in this formula for the center sphere, and compared the volume of the sphere vs the volume of the cube. For sufficiently high dimensions, the volume of the center sphere is higher Tha the volume of the containing cube. For instance, at 26 dimensions, the cube has a volume of 4.5035 e15, while the sphere has a volume of 1.21 e17.
Let's get ahead of him before he makes a video: Parker Platonics (tetrahedron, cube, octahedron...)
Nothing more
I have found the pinnacle of entertainment. A grown man taping oranges together.
@ 8:14 can someone pls make a _graph_ which extends into _complex numbers_ as well??? ((((((:
First Cliff Stoll and then Matt Parker video this is a great week.
i love that math trick: not worry 'bout it
The weird thing, for me, is that the distance between a cube whose edge lengths are 1 (a square with sides 1, a cube where each face’s sides are 1 length, a hyper cube with cubic faces whose face’s sides are length 1, etc.) and it’s corner *also* grows without bound for the same reason.
A 1d unit cube has a distance of 1 from its corner, 2d unit cube a distance of 1.414…, a 3d cube 1.732…, 4d cube 2, 5d cube 2.236…
The higher dimension a unit cube is, the longer it takes to get to the corner.
Woah dude I totally own that book you wrote! :D I want to read it soon but I have 13 books to read just for coursework this semester so it'll probably have to wait until winter break.
Also this video blew my mind!
Well ya better start reading and stop watching numberphile videos
Similar with me!
did you read it yet
I love videos about higher dimensions. This video ist my most favorite :)
If you keep in mind that the 'space' inside the higher dimension 'boxes' is way bigger and keeps growing, then the 'spheres' don't have to be spiky and the >2 'sphere' can fit in.
I don't think it works that way. The size of spheres are based on measurement of distances; so with a distance of >2 you go over a bigger distance than the size of a side of the 10+D box.
Probably my favourite numberphile video!
3blue1brown just did this a
few videos ago.
That must be more than just a
coincidence.
I was thinking PBS infinite series.
3Blue1Brown is the best
Turns out there are many videos on RUclips, and from time to time there will be overlap in creators making videos on a particular topic. Sometimes it's not a coincidence; usually it is.
Also this is in Matt's book so...
2:12 - there is some nice calculator just waiting for being unboxed on the shelf to Matt's left.
So Matt has also seen that 3Blue1Brown video. :D
For me it is sounds like we cannot put this big sphere to that small box, but then we pack the sphere in a bubble wrap, and it goes perfectly.
So in the 0th dimension, the radius is... -1?
and the -1st dimension, the radius is -1 + i
During a practice scholarship paper my class did a question similar to this where we had to work out the area of the circle in the very centre given only values of the outer edges of the square.