Legend of Winning DEFENDS Anthony Davis' Playstyle
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The percentages sound good from the perimeter, but we can't use just percentages to measure how good a team, better yet a player's play style is. Chill is right on this 1. And what he saying is you shouldn't have to as a player, settle for the long ball immediately, just because you have the capability to be a long ball shot maker. It's about balance, and some games you'll have to be more dominant around the basket, and some games your dominance will be away from the basket. When you have balance as a player, it keeps the defense honest. Therefore they have to account for something.
nah he isn't right only the alltime great post up players should be on the block when say alltime great that means your team is a contender and ur putting up atleast 20-25 points on 55% if your gonna take zero 3s -but that is hard to find theres plenty of tall players but for post ups to be effective in todays game where perimeter players are more valuable to teams and help defenses makes it hard for post players to dribble too many times you need to either be tall powerful AND durable to dominate in the post or you have to be balanced post up when you have a weaker defender and spread the floor if theres a tough defender in the paint
@@mytruthismoreuseful nah he's right. We're not talking about all time greats, we're talking about play styles of the current players. Joel & AD are players that have stronger capabilities to make shots from the perimeter. Joel is more of an inside presence, while AD is more of PnR/transition player. KAT, even though he can space the floor & score, if you take away his ability to shoot, what can he do, how is he gonna impact the game? Giannis isn't as strongly capable of being a 3PT shooter, he can just make a 3 pointer. Just cuz you can make a 3 doesn't mean you shoot more of them, and with Giannis he doesn't settle. Watch the podcast and maybe you can have a valid point.
@@OnlyFloor dude Giannis embid and AD are all time great athletes Joel embid is a bully in the post and he has great body control and soft touch at the rim and AD has a ridiculous vert great body control and soft touch at the rim those qualities are only found in generational talents so NO the avhg big men shouldn't be on the block If they don't have those qualities if you just an avg post up player as a big man and you can't stretch the floor you are use useless in todays game
@@mytruthismoreuseful dude what does that have to do with anything? Embiid isn't just a post player, he's very effective away from the basket. KAT is also effective away from the basket, but he doesn't have the interior presence to dominate on the inside. Giannis's game is measured by inside dominance ONLY. Occasionally he'll shoot a jump shot but there's a reason why we don't label him a capable shooter. Joel has the outside & inside game, and so does AD. You work inside out, you don't just settle for jumpshots. How tf Giannis is still in the league if he can't shoot? Everyone play style is different and that's something you're failing to realize.
@@OnlyFloor AD isn't durable enough to play on the box all the time he alrdy avoids playing there and still hardly can keep his health straight so no embid and jokic and maybe prime demarcus cousins are the only centers of the past 2 decades that can justify takin up that space in the paint regularly they are not the avg big men far from it the point being made was that the avg big man have been tricked into not dominating the paint that isn't true the game has literally evolved past the need for non superstar caliber big men in the paint all the time
Let's see if the rizz god can defend the 4-0 sweep of his girl.
Michael Jordan got swept before. Kobe has gotten swept before. Lebron has gotten swept before. It happens to all the greats.
@@NothingElseMattersJM Amen my brother
@@NothingElseMattersJM I do not think you get the joke
@@jaydenwhite3444LOW cheated on his wife 3 times. This is irrelevant but dudes move like chicks these days and love drama/gossip
@@Christian-eq6pq lol that’s so random
I was today years old when I realized that LOW stands for LEGEND OF WINNING…..OH. MY. GOD.😭
I think it time to change that’s lightbulb in your head
Where have you been
The difference between giannis and AD and embiid is that you don't actually have to post him up and hope a guard can get him the ball because he is the guy running the offense to begin with.
Ticket need to change his energy for Mars over to low. I like low but he comes of very condescending at times.
When he shouldn't be it be the most condescending ppl be the ones doing the most dirt
Very condescending for a person who never hooped or a average guy who hoops he fat and runs his mouth
@@stonecolescoe9699 idk about all that I just know ticket need to place that energy elsewhere.
Mars and low talk about stats more than anything . I will always say the plus minus Stat tells the most about a player . They said what they said about embiid and giannis when they both have a plus minus of 8+ . That is what matters most not where they shoot from
@@aaronsansbury9514what stats do i be using?
Legend of something, huh? Not fr everybody makes mistakes…I just hope to get LOW back soon on the pane!
We need legend of adultery back on the panel
This is sad. When you never played or really watched basketball you will sound like LoW
he is annoying
This isn’t any numbers, Embid needs to play closer to the basket. It works better for his team
Low doesn’t watch basketball he watches numbers u can hear it in his takes 😂
He couldn't tell you what an offense is running lol
What did he say that was wrong ?
Galileo Galilei all his takes are statistics. He doesn't know the game . Just listen he is an analytics guy. He doesn't know standard offensive sets , why defenses don't help on the strong side , etc. He doesn't know how to play period
@@aaronsansbury9514 i don't know what so hard about understanding that 😂 dude's takes are statistical.
@@aaronsansbury9514 I mean how else would you make an argument? Saying what you saw and using generalizations is such a bad argument. Without using statistics, its literally just opinions without facts.
Low u tweaking if u truly think Joel wuddnt be more affective in the med range to open up his game with the 3ball smh u still young tho respect to u
Fans doing what Low did in this video makes me wish I was born 10 years earlier. Cause seriously Joel is WAYYY more effective inside than out.
@@daevonthesavage7483 exactly
That’s what embiid does. Embiid ain’t just going jacking up 3s it’s in the flow of the game. On a pick and roll defense slacks so he shoots a wide open 3
Unless Joel is shooting 40 plus percent from the 3 he should not be shooting more than 2 threes a game. Every time he shoots he just bails out the defense.
He’s shooting at league average and last year better than league average. If you watch 76ers games it’s hard for him to post up cause they just double team even on entry passes.
I agree with OG on this 1
Legend of Kroger
Yall are crazy 😂😂
Why are people pretending like AD didn’t lead the lakers in every major statistical category but assist in 2019-20? Why are people pretending like he isn’t doing that again this year ? Lol
Stats don’t tell the whole story. But this year, AD is the man for the Lakers. 2020 Lebron led that team to the chip
@@jonshaqqir4575no bro AD was better overall in the whole playoffs. Bron was better in the finals
In the playoffs he didn't
@@SlickGeeeno it was lebron
37% isn't even that great. You're not considered a sniper until you're shooting 39% or higher from three. 37% is above average. It's good for a big man but we've seen far better shooters from deep. Dirk and Kat specifically. Embiid isn't those guys. 3 threes a game is good but Embiid lives more in the midrange anyway. Embiid is his most dangerous in the mid-range and post. Long as he doesn't start shooting too many he has a good combination of threes and inside play
33% from 3 range = 50% from 2 range.
37% from 3 range = 56% from 2 range.
@@blacknetsmed 🐐
IF my guards and wings can shoot 3’s at a consistent clip, my big better get his ass down low. I’d prefer my big to draw the defensive in so shooters can shoot rather than pick and pop, spotting up, or however they plan to get these big man 3’s off.
Agree plus seeing those shots closer to the rim go in increases a bigs confidence. Then they can expand outwards when they get a rythym.
Nevermind the fact that the highest percentage Shot in basketball is a 3 from a post kick out.... These NBA analytics nerds legit took out the most efficient shot in basketball so guards can tween tween all fkn game 😅😅
This is real basketball discussion 😤 loved this convo . And yes guards don’t know how to throw entry passes anymore it’s been issue for some years now. That’s why rondo always maxes out AD ability cause he’s gonna get it to him and make it easy !! Also I think the bigs would like to score more down low but the guard has been empowered to ignore them.
I truly think that saying guards don’t know how to relieved entry passes is pretty much just an overreaction. You can’t talk about how much players move away from the paint and start the offense on the high post, and then in the same breath there’s not enough low post entry passes and blame it on the player’s fundamentals. These are players who are able to hit moving targets through teeth of running defenses at times, it’s more less opportunity vs less skills
@@MrSlashblade that make sense what your saying , it’s just I’ve seen it with my own two eyes . I’m not a believer of this being the most skilled era ever so to me it’s not a hard concept to grasp that they struggle with fundamental basketball. But i understand the take of “opportunity” cause sometimes game flow doesn’t allow it. But that also shows me the lack of real floor generals to dictate and manage that pace to get your big a easy bucket.
I think AD can win mvp this year
I think ur buggin
I can’t agree more✅👏🏼
@@adonisjordan1237 with who
If his team doesn't make the playoff I don't see how.
Y’all really overrating his performance this season. U believing he’s mvp means u think he’s gonna be more consistent and available against the other cats he’s in the race with. Ad not even a top 3 mvp candidate 💀💀
Better to work from the inside out than the outside in. My Chicago Bulls suck but when we play our best the offense runs through Vucevic in the post.
This is why low and Marz should not talk basketball they rely only on stats and don’t really know basketball!!
Chilltown is 🧢 hold LeBron accountable he's jacking terrible shots and he's taking 10 Three's per game and 22 shots per game
Bron trying rush passing Kareem cause his body starting to breakdown. I caught that last season when he started shooting like 10+ threes near the end of the season. Bron has never been at a level where you have to respect his outside shot. Man was always bricking open threes unless he was hot
Let's just put it this way. If Joel Embiid took 20 3s hitting at a 40% he'd have 24 points on 20 3pt attempts... That's fkn horrible 😂😂😂 people have gotten used to thinking analytics matter more than intangibles. A game where Embiid shoots 8/20 from 3 the 76ers would lose by 50 😂
yeah 60% ts and an 120 offensive rating is so trash 😐 how can the sixers survive with such terrible offense
If embiid takes 20 layups he’d need to make 12 of them so he’d shoot 12/20 to get to 24 that’s the same as 8/20….. you wouldn’t say 12/20 is horrible
THIS IS THE SMARTEST SHIT CHILL EVER SAID
Low needs to come back man
LOW look like Jumba from Lilo and Stitch
5:03 cute moment between both of Fluent’s children there. I can tell Dub really loves his lil brother 😂
chilltown nice takes. bigs are legit wing players now lmao. no pure centers now in this era
Yeah I hate seeing bigs play like guards it so stupid
My boy low 4-0
@@t99155 tht and cheating on his wife
This conversation kinda proves that low doesn’t understand basketball and basic offensive and defensive sets he only understands numbers and we all know that looking at stats doesn’t tell the full story you actually have to understand/watch the actual games
Watching this till the end , low has no idea what he is talking about , get him off the show
Big men have ALWAYS BEEN MORE EFFECTIVE. Down low........ low smh
After chill weak argument vs Dub about KOBE. I listen to him with a grain of salt
Low comleted the first 4peat in history
He just exposed himself that he does not understand modern basketball or analytics. First he confuses 25% for 33% which is a huge difference, then he says "you're wrong" with no supporting material because he does not know analytics.
Chill town makes sense about the basketball ball reality of big man
Low... oh so Low! Your statement bout Power Forwards in the 2k's was DEAD WRONG! Do research my boi
Low has Kat's shooting lead them to wins? He constantly shrinks in the playoffs cause he can only shoot. Matter a fact what stretch 5 has won a chip lately lol. I see looney, McGee, Howard's of the world have games that help their teams win chips. Guards cant make entry passes cause the bigs wanna play like guards. growing up any dude past 6'5 is a big in High school an im only 26.
His math off and bad basketball. You can’t rebound shooting threes.
How are ya trying to justify players impact on the game using analytics when analytics wasn’t even a thing back then?
Man AD made of glass so why would he play in the paint more 🤦🏾♂️
take away all these stats and just comeback to basketball iq and playing the game which is easier for a 30 ft shot or an 8-2ft shot how most of us were taught on defense we are not hard denying someone that big and tall at the ofcourse were not giving the chance of a foul the easiest fast break we see todays is one of these bigs will take 3 at the top of the key and no one is down there for a rebound
I think the og made some great points
Unc is right. Take a walk to Kroger’s, Low
First
LOW does not have good arguments at all…
I am finally agreeing with chill
Nah he sleep on Zach Randolph fuck all at🤣
I don’t think Og was saying Joel is a bad shooter he’s just saying big man shouldn’t rely on the 3pt line and learn how to be more dominant in the paint.
Sounds like lebrick shooting outside of 10 feet.. 😆 🤣 he in year 20 lol
I say take the 3pt out the Game
🍳 that boy low good job OG
A dominant low post presence is always a great thing in basketball. U need someone u can dump the ball into and make 2 moves and score. Then the defense sucks in and shooters get better looks. The game doesn't work the same if ur big is perimeter focused. The guards and wings can swipe at the ball, hedge, and if u do shoot, the defender is usually long enough and quick enough to get a hand up. It's easier to defend. Look at how easy it was for the Lakers to beat the grizzlies and GS. AD is a great defender and has a low post game. JJJ is okay and Draymond doesn't at all. Jokic has a great low post and no matter what a defender can do, just harder to guard. Now he shoots the 3 ball well and boom championship!!! Stop listening to these non basketball players about analytics and find u a coach that knows the game.
I’m sorry but if I don’t see ticket I usually don’t watch. Fluent my boy too tho. Dub and Chill coo but they be losing me with some of their takes.
Why fluent and chilled always tryna say 'if you played basketball you'd know' they like talking to barbershop heads about basketball
If you don’t have Curry you don’t have an advantage from 3. And you can have spacing from the mid post.
Why do you think despite shooting 3 or 4 threes a game but goes to the free throw a lot? Because he's getting fouled within the paint. Majority...barely is he getting fouled on the three point line.
I'm still waiting for LOW to walk back his bad take that Klay is washed.
Lowe lost the debate on the threes vs paint points. I really dislike when he tries to give a rebuttal to something that's a strong point.
Luka put up an insane stat line with 2 3s. Apart from a few players, most are abusing the spacing to make A LOT of 2s.
LOW acting like Joel shooting like Curry lol
Giannis this year has been terrible from 3-16ft despite being good from that range last year, but in the 16ft-3pt line he’s shootings 47% compared to 43% last year on the same amount of attempts
Somebody please teach Chill basic Math
Chilltown's wrong on this one, midranges aren't anymore likely to draw fouls (just look at guys like CP3 and Kyrie vs Steph) and if you're a threat from further distances that gets the others more space.
Also, what 3pt shooting does to diminish individual rebounding is made up for and then some on a team level, because longer shots = longer rebounds, giving the offense a greater chance at recovering a possession.
Griffin a good post player huh 🤔 appreciate bro other points solid debates from all sides
It makes me mad every time a big man shoots a three smh😂
Embiid doesn't shoot 7 threes a game
Chill actually making sense when he not talking about Kobe
AD could be the best ever but he’s soft
I wonder why Jokic isn't included in this conversation
Because his defense as a big man is mid at times
Young dude got schooled 🤣
Post Play in general is NOT an efficient style of basketball. It's simple common sense from Points Per Possession (FTs included).
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@@Thanosdidtherighthing Tim Duncan has entered the chat; never led a Top 5 offense in his entire career.
Olajuwon has entered the chat; never led a Top 5 Offense in his entire career.
Patrick Ewing has entered the chat; never led an elite Offense in his entire career.
Unless the player is Barkley or Shaq in terms of post play, their team is unlikely to have an elite offense running an offense out of the post.
@@blacknetsmed 👨💻The 06-07 Spurs were the 5th ranked offense in the league led by Duncan.
👨💻The 94-95 Rockets were the #4 offense in the league with a 112.4 offensive rating until Drexler got injured. Drexler was having his most efficient season of his career shooting 57.5% 2pt , 61.3% TS and 56.3% efg.
Patrick Ewing? He had an incredibly weak OFFENSIVE supporting cast. He can’t carry an entire offense by himself.
Embiid has 27 GAMES shooting 33% or less from three in the playoffs. That’s 57% of the games he played. Compare that to only 7 GAMES of him shooting 50% or higher in the playoffs. That’s only 15% of the games played. The issue of him shooting more threes isn’t during the regular season, it’s in the playoffs, when you not shooting as many uncontested threes.
Bigs will ALWAYS be more effective closer to the rim. Its more effective to maybe shoot 1 or 2 a game, than 4-5 and more than likely only make 1. In the playoffs when points are a premium, you can’t afford for your best player to throw away 4-6 points a game possibly just for the sake of shooting threes. To put things in perspective, Giannis is the most dominant player in the league and he’s TERRIBLE shooting jumpers and the Bucks have no issue with floor spacing. They won a championship with Giannis dominating at the rim, dominating rebounding and just enough shooting. The Warriors are an anomaly because they have 2 of the best shooters of all time on their team. So they can afford to shoot a bunch of threes and not worry about post presence.
The bucks don’t have problems with spacing cause they have a lot of 3 and d players. Brooke Lopez shoots the 3s too. 76ers don’t have a very space line up. Prior to harden coming you had thybul and Ben Simmons on the court together…… now you have harden and Tobias who can shoot so there’s more spacing and embiid takes less 3s a game
@@Johenz I would accept that, but Embiid avg more threes earlier in his career than now. So spacing has never mattered for him shooting threes. He’s shoots them more efficiently now at a slightly lower clip with better spacing, so I don’t believe spacing has anything to do with Embiid shooting threes. He just wants to shoot them. No different than Giannis. He’s played the same way his whole career even before Brook got to the Bucks. Now Brook helps give more spacing, but Giannis has been with the Bucks since 2013 and Brook didn’t get there til 2018.
Big men have never needed to shoot jumpers to be dominant and they dont now. They choose to shoot them which in totality let’s the defense off the hook more often than not
@@josephhandy8767 spacing was a key factor, remember early in Embiid’s career he played with Ben Simmons so he had to stay out the paint for Simmons to drive to the basket. Early on 76ers floor spacing was terrible.
Giannis can’t shoot so he doesn’t take it but he tries to. Big or no big the ability to shoot threes does help the team out. On pick and roles sometimes the defender sags alot leaving the pick and pop a better option. Shooting it well makes the defender to play up and having a more efficient pick and roll. Embiid isn’t shooting wild 3s like steph curry but the ability does put pressure on defenders. He uses the pump from the 3 to drive to the basket. Giannis is a great player but in tough game situations bucks go to khris because of giannis inability to shoot.
@@Johenz yeah shooting threes efficiently helps out the team. But I’m saying, when the playoffs come and the game slows down, there aren’t many good threes for Embiid to take. Subsequently, that’s why he has so many sub 40% three point shooting games than anything else in the playoffs. Threes only space the floor when you have knock down shooters who shoots them at a high volume. That’s why if you look at Boston and GS last season, they were both top 5 in three pointers made and three point percentage. Having multiple guards who consistently can knock them down off of dribble penetration is the key. Embiid can have the same effect as dribble penetration by posting on the block and kicking it back out.
I have no problem with Embiid taking 1-2 threes a game if they are good shots. Embiid being a center, most aren’t coming out to play him at the 3 pt line anyway. That’s why I said spacing doesn’t matter for Embiid. That’s why I think him and Giannis are similar in the way bigs play them. No one is pressing up on Embiid forcing him to drive. If he wants to shoot 10 threes, they are happy to let him. Also just to put it in perspective, the Nets have Simmons now playing with Claxton who doesn’t shoot jumpers at all and Simmons can still get to the paint. AD with the Lakers was able to play with Dwight and McGee and none of them shot threes. I just think Embiid can be dominant when he wants to and to do that, he can’t be out there jacking up threes lol
@@josephhandy8767 I don’t think you watch these games but going off of assumptions, a lot of bigs guard Embiid at the 3 point line because he can knock it down. And spacing does matter for embiid because teams play a box and 1 against him, he’s double pre post up which makes it harder to go to work. This isn’t the early 2000s where they just let post players go one on one. The Giannis point giannis does not post up as much either because he gets double often and a lot of Giannis points are not iso but within the flow of the game because his athleticism, a lot of offensive rebounds, lots of pick and rolls and lot of fast breaks, most of of Giannis points are like that.
Once again you’re not watching the games and based off of assumptions ben Simmons only takes 6 shots a game and it’s mostly in transition, the nets have one of the worse offense in the game with poor spacing because of Simmons and claxton, they have one of the least lay up attempts. Their offense is being carried by kd and kyrie being great iso players and great shot makers. That goes back to my point on the 76ers Ben had the ball a lot so embiid had to leave the paint so Ben can drive. Joel didn’t come into the league as a shooter he developed his game to play with Ben Simmons and to avoid the double team. You ever wonder why dominate post up bigs don’t work in the nba anymore? Because teams not going to just let you post up 20 times, guards are faster, quicker and swiping at the ball. Teams rotate faster for kick outs.
Your point with gs and Boston and bucks goes to my point the 76ers roster isn’t build like that. That’s why they got pj a three and d guy. If you don’t have sharp shooting wings your big gonna be double team and you’re kicking out to thybul for a open contested 3….. say if embiid was on the suns then yeah he wouldn’t need to space the floor because teams not gonna leave bridges, booker, cam Johnson open. That’s why 76ers best year was when they had Seth curry and other shooters. Ben was still on the floor but he’d move around a lot. I’m the playoffs embiid was just in the paint going to work because he was played one on one. Now he touches the ball and multiple guys come at him. Not even just embiid you see it with jokic and ad that why most centers catch the ball at the freethrow line or higher. A bug who can’t shoot won’t last in today’s game.
I can tell the black dude with the green on has probably never even dribbled a basketball
Chill, stop capping. Bron never relinquished his role from having the offense run through him. After 2020, he couldn't take being second fiddle.
Low is the only person even making sense in this video. Everyone else, who may have understood basketball in the 2000s, do not seem to get the game has changed.
The post is less efficient than the 3 unless someone is an HOF. How is Legend the only person who understands this?
The highest percentage Shot in basketball is a 3 pointer that's been kicked out FROM THE POST!!!!! 😂😂😂 Also chill town is speaking on mismatches. If you're a big man and you can't post up a guard 6 inches shorter than you at a 60% clip you fkn suck and that whole "today's players are more advanced" narrative needs to fkn Die.
This is just the mid range thing becoming something people want to happen. Just because somebody has success producing from the mid range or post, doesn’t mean that has to be the staple for EVERYBODY. Nobody tricked them, y’all did the same thing for DeRozan last year
Midrange to post points are closer to the basket, which has a better chance of going in than Lowe.
Derozan went from shooting 47% from mid-range in the regular season to shooting 41.8% in the post season. That was the main cause for his 7% lower 2pt% from 52% to 45% from regular season to playoffs. This is a Derozan problem not a mid-range problem.
Kevin Durant on the other hand is posting record high efficiency numbers this season getting 45.5% of his shots from mid-range. This is Kevin Durant’s 2nd worst 3pt shooting season of his career.
@@NothingElseMattersJM way to completely miss the point learn how to read the entire thing next time
Fluent, you have to also bring in the logic of how many times are you getting fouled on Mid range. 15% on 2 pts, but there are more variety of 2 pts shot versus 3 pts. Players like Wiggins and Bryant were getting flamed because the mid range is the worst shot to take. Less fouling on the shot and also the difficulty is similar to the 3. Isn’t this the reason why the nba evolved to shooting the 3 instead of the mid range. Also Chilltwn needs coaching. He’s points could easily get dissected 😂
WHAT?! Lol.
Yall need to talk about why AD and Westbrook top 75