For awhile I carried a cable firearm lock. These are padlocks which have a loop of steel cable instead of the normal shackle and everything is coated in plastic so it won't mar the gun. They come free in the box with a new firearm and make a good improvised slung-shot. Now I carry an old Buchiemer Texan I came across along with a SIG 9mm, pepper spray and a high output, compact light. I like having options.
Terrorists on both sides Antifa and right wing extremists. However its scarier when the terrorists have governmental authorities and openly display a counter flag to separate themselves from civilian Americans. Thin blue line is the terrorist organization to be afraid of. They have actual power, police word is taken without question even after being caught in lie after lie after lie(look into a popular case like Breona Taylor, police lied multiple times and its ignored) The perjury is veeeeeery rarely prosecuted because they work so closely with district attorneys and prosecutors. When you have militias planning on a kidnapping governor after trump told people to liberate the state, along with telling WS to stand back and stand by( which WS then used as propaganda to fund raise and recruit off of) this is when and what you should be worried about. A lot of times though, boot lickers prefer authoritarian leaders over democratically elected ones. Trump commissioned an investigation into vote tampering and vote irregularities in 2016 and they quietly disbanded because....... they came up empty handed. Yet he will call foul anyway this time around. Truly are troubling times
mike gonz I have to be honest...frankly, if some punk attacks me, and I have done nothing to insight that violence, I don't care how much force it takes to stop the situation, I will use what is necessary to bring the attacker down. While I'm not setting out to take his life, if it happens, it happens! After all, I didn't ask to be assaulted, and if he would've minded his own business and not attacked me, he would still be alive! But, a sap would be a last line of defense for me. If I'm facing a deadly, violent attack, the impact from a .40 Glock will stop it quick. I am a man of peace, but prepared for war.
The problem with this is if you knock someone out, then the fall and hit there head, then die. Now you are up on a murder or SM charge. It's would be perfect if it's a home defence tactic. The odds of shooting a family member is nonexistent, and better then hand to hand. Oregon does not let you have one on your person outside of you house. I have my blackjack on the table behind me now. Perfect for evil Ninjas. Lol
@@heithm38 We don't have a robotic justice system where if you do A. then B. and C. are AUTOMATICALLY charged by the prosecution. The entirety of the situation is taken into account. If you're getting into fights or going to these stupid "protests" (riots) and you punch someone and they fall and die, then you're going to be charged. However, if someone tries to carjack you and you punch him and he falls and dies, you're VERY UNLIKELY to be charged with anything. It's an open and shut self defense case. In Oregon it is a class three misdemeanor to carry a sap or blackjack but if you're not hanging out in bars, clubs, concerts, protests, or downtown, you're not going to get randomly frisked by a cop. Oregon ain't New York City. Just don't have it in your pocket while driving in case you're stopped. Although a word of warning: A blackjack is much more deadly than a flat sap. A blackjack can crack someone's skull. A retired cop once told me, "Flat Sap for the face, blackjack for everything else EXCEPT the face.
I've spoken with a lot of old-school police officers. They all sing praises about the sap (or any impact weapon). Most of them would rather have a sap (or similar) than an expandable baton, blade, taser, pepper spray, tac flashlight, or stun gun. They all said it was the most reliable non-lethal weapon for "adjusting attitudes" or just putting someone to sleep.
the problem with putting someone to sleep is it can lead to life long mental issues/brain trauma. think of the amount of civil lawsuits police would end up with these days from victims who received serious brain injuries at the hands of police. back in those days people didn't realise just how much damage the brain was receiving when a person was knocked out. for that very reason these days police are trained to avoid the head unless as an absolute last resort..
@@mxq88 The problem is also with tasers. The could injure when they drop and fall on their head, Also there are thousands of death by use with tasers. Its a less lethal weapon not none lethal.
Unlike the purpose built sap, The padlock on the bandanna is really likely to cause some permanent lasting damage. The SAP actually has the leather to spread out the impact and it doesn’t have any sharp edges. When you hit somebody with that padlock it’s probably going to leave a huge gash in their head and bloods going to go everywhere.
The old timers used a dime tied into the corner of a bandanna to slap one silly .In the eye or upside the head will get ones attention.A dime seems lite but a half dollar or a nut would work .A hunk of heavy copper cable covered in insulation works great.And the old garage door springs are amazing tools wrapped halfway with friction tape.😊
Dude! This is really bad ass!!!! Thank you very much for sharing. Here's the link for anyone interested. www.meangeneleather.com/shop/mgl-hot-tamale-less-lethal-coin/#prettyPhoto
I carry a good light, a texan sap and a ti-lite VI knife, if you are going to carry get a big one and learn how to use it. The sap is devastating and all you really got to do is snap your wrist into the hit. Dont get caught with it
My friends family got an old box full of some old relatives belongings. We went through it and found a blackjack in there. We thought it was the funniest thing ever until we started hitting ourselves with it... One slap to the jaw with one of those... I can't even imagine what kind of a person would come back for seconds after that. You'd have to be from another planet not to know better.
The point of impact you showed (over the carotid artery) causes a vasovagal response. Blood pressure drops, and you wake up on the floor in a minute or two with piss soaked pants. Former paramedic. (Also did some work as a bouncer)
You need to aim as though you were hitting with you knuckles or you’ll miss under extreme stress. I have military, street, and martial arts chops and the real thing is way different than most people expect so again, when striking with your blackjack aim with your fist not the 3-6 inch weapon extending from it
I've used sand in my pocket before. keep your hand in your pocket grab some sand and throw it in their eyes. This works 95 percent of the time and they'll never expect it.
As for that smiley (lock with bandana) be extremely careful with which lock you use, as it is EXTREMELY effective at putting someone down. I would say use a combination lock, because that padlock is very weighty and generates a lot of force. It can and will fracture someones skull or worse. If you must use it, I recommend aiming only at stuff below the neck (ribs, clavicle). Stay safe, stay legal! \m/
I would just focus on nerve bundles and sensitive areas to avoid death or permanent injury and the whole legality issue. Blackjack to the knee, groin, ribs, hell any joint or large muscle group would likely cause a would be attacker to give up pretty quickly. If not we’ll then the escalation of force is needed to stop the attacker and you have a legal standing now instead of a giant hole in his head and no other external injuries to prove you tried to de-escalate the situation with non lethal force.
"Spray the guy and hit the guy?" Have you ever actually deployed pepper spray before? You DO NOT want move forward into your target's space (as you would need to do to follow up with the sap strike) immediately after spraying them. Why? Because you'd be advancing into a cloud of pepper spray. You won't get as much of it as the other guy, but it will get your eyes and mess with you too. You'll want to give a couple seconds for the aerosolized pepper spray to disperse before moving into the area you sprayed. If you have pepper spray, then just spray them and run away instead of trying to sap them. And if you're in some location where you can't retreat (like in your own home), then you're better off push kicking them than leaning into them with a punch or a strike only to get a face full of your own pepper spray. Cops blind themselves with pepper spray all the time because they go in too soon after spraying. Heck, even if you don't move forward, if there's just a bit of wind blowing in your direction, the spray can blow back on you. So you should always be backing away while spraying. Not loving forward.
Awareness, avoidance, and de-escalation are critical for true self defense. Community is important for being alive though. Make plenty of friends, just do it the right way ; )
But you don't need a flash knock out to stop the attack. With that sap one swift hard down stroke to the clavicle and the bad guy is done but still alive.
So what might happen is you were to miss that target area or perhaps the opponent ducks? If the impact lands on the top of the cranium or maybe a wrist? If you don't succeed is knocking the opponent out am I liable to be prosecuted?
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how dangerous are these? how hard should you hit someone with it? I've heard if you use all your strength with a blackjack you might end up killing them.
They are a force multipliers for sure. The physics behind it suggest you will hit dramatically harder than with your fist. We generally advise our students that anytime you strike the head, neck or spine it should be considered lethal force. So basically if you aren't justified in possibly killing them use a lesser form of force. We like carotid restraints but those are controversial too. By the way check this out too: ruclips.net/video/uhL60NXtXRk/видео.html
they can easily kill someone but for me in a dangerous situation I rather hit them than stab them because it's you know terrifying and gorey if you stab someone there's impact weapons with even piercing ability like spikes or sharp edges or corners use it with caution buddy or just stick to pepperspray or a kubaton
Urban Survivalcraft if someone was robbing me I'd be a little nervous because I wouldn't want to accidentally kill them. of course I'd feel bad for killing someone but the bigger thing is sometimes they still take you in and have a trial even if you are defending yourself in a stand your ground stat, it happens all the time in Texas.
Urban Survivalcraft Its really hard to make that call with a mugger though. muggers in real life usually aren't as evil as the ones we see in movies so it's actually really sad if you get robbed and end up killing them. I've been robbed before and I was actually able to talk to the guy down and get him to cool off and just take what I could spare. it was really upsetting though because he wasn't a sociopath he was just desperate and poor. that said if someone robs me and has that crazy look in their eye like they aren't affraid I'm not holding back.
Great, but what are the legalities of these weapons? Are you allowed to carry them? What about someone who isn't allowed to have a firearm? Can they have one of these? Thanks for any answers.
My grandfather passed away in 1971 he was a Chicago motorcycle cop from 1920-1940. One thing he left was a blackjack made beautifully with leather. A compliance weapon. My brother opened it up to see what was in it. It was filled with pennies. It was pretty heavy and would have easily put your lights out. I am going to make one I just don't no what kind yet.
There’s a video on RUclips where a guy in the UK was stabbed in the neck. He hit the floor within seconds and bleed to death. Also, the recent incident in NYC where the store clerk killed a guy within seconds of the first stab. I think neck stabs are more effective.
Neck stabs are deadly for sure. My point was merely that they are unpredictable. There's a video of a guy with a large knife stabbed through his nasal cavity still conscious while waiting in the emergency room also available on the internet. All that said, yes if I had to stab someone the neck is a good target.
The first item demonstrated is not a jack, its a flat sap and when you hit snap you wrist down like cracking a whip- the flexing action generated this way hits with 8 times of a rigged of the same size/weight. Other highly effective targets are elbows, knees, shins, hands, collar bones, and brainstem. A simple technique could be w/sap in right hand sidestep a left jab to the outside, grab the wrist while stepping with your left & pull him forward while turning in to face his back, strike the elbow, As you finish turning into face his back a comitted side arm swing into where his skull meets his neck, then just keep walking
One of your better videos. I really appreciate view points that reminded me and help me figure out ways to carry proven designs of self defense in a legal manor even when local laws are ridiculous. Staying legal is a priority of mine but I refuse to go unarmed! Thanks for sharing and helping me protect myself and my family. You ask for what we want to see...well I'd personally love to see a short (sub 10 min) knife routine for practicing knife skill training. I realize knife training is a vast genre so If this doesn't make sense message me. Again thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts with us.
merize1447 So glad you found it useful! We have one in the queue addressing knives for self defense. Its scheduled to come out in the next few weeks. Keep an eye out and let me know what you think : )
+Urban Survivalcraft I'm shopping my manuscript around now with martial arts/weapons publishers and the like. Very slow process so in the meantime I'm putting out videos of my antique sap collection and sharing highlights. Please check out my channel if interested. Also, I grew up in Miami and my friends and I used to play all the time on the railroad and talk to the engineers (small world).
Definitely a small world. I will be checking out your channel for sure. Please be sure to let me know when you finally get it published. You may wish to self publish if you get no satisfaction soon.
+Urban Survivalcraft if you slide a key ring under the pocket clip of that ti light all you have to do is get you pinky in the ring, give a short pull and as the handle comes out wrap your palm around it and push the exposed hilt wedge into the corner of your pocket as it is meant to function like the Emerson wave stud (not as well as it does but it does work) and the ring makes immensely easier & faster- I could have it out and deployed far faster then my friend could get his switch blade out and it's legal
BlackJacks always seemed so tiny I wonder how they even hurt. It's one of those looks are deceiving things. Like hitting someone with a belt or a shoe sole. But it has some heft with a ball bearing or solid sphere of some kind sewn in. Good vid :)
Closest thing to a "Legal" sap and very effective would be a homemade "Manriki" chain. Put a padlock at each end of a dog choke chain. Very collapseable so it would be somewhat comfortable to carry in your pocket. Even the chain alone would be effective. They come in a few different sizes on Amazon.
thats not a jack, its a sap. despite its effectiveness when used with current less lethal strike points, bot are illegal in almost every state, listed by name in criminal code.
Those states all have one thing in common. They are all blue states and 2nd amendment is illegal. In 2023 America you will have to be a criminal if you want to exercise your constitutional rights and a American citizen
In south central Kentucky of the 40's and 50's where there is only town or there's country and urban and suburban was not in the vernacular my grandfather was a farmer, deacon and constable. A certain man was known to carry a kitchen knife at the times when he decided to get a snootful, that is, when he was drunk. My grandfather got the call that this man was drunk and bellicose in a certain small part of a small town. He got in his big International farm truck and sought him out. Upon finding him my grandfather announced that he was here to give him a ride home or to jail and the choice was to be determined by the the response. As the the man made choice and his hand went toward his back pocket he was flicked by a slap in the forehead. He was rolled into the back of the truck and trussed by hand and foot to the cattle racks before delivery to the city jail where he eventually regained consciousness and his senses to find a goose egg over his left eye. My grandfather only swatted him as if to swat a fly, swiftly but not nearly as hard as possible. I wish some study would reveal the energy needed to produce a knockout with a strike such as that as well as a slap to the jaw, the base of the neck and the noggin proper. Turned on edge, I'm told, a hard strike to a muscle with a slapjack will frog it so badly that an arm or leg becomes of little use. I think a forearm strike might render that arm of little use for more than a minute. The true danger of a slap or jack is that they can easily break bones and teeth and cause permanent brain damage.
This impact weapon could certainly prove useful in certain situations if you know how to carry and use it, but the sap isn't as popular as it used to be. In fact, it is rearly used anymore. As he said, "if" you can use it as demonstrated, it could be better than a knife or other weapon to stop an attack. However, I know very little about the use of a sap, only heard about it a short time ago and it may conflict with other self defense strategies, such as distance is your friend and you must create it quickly. When you strike with the sap, you may expose certain parts of your body to counter-attack to someone with quick reflexes or self defense training. I suspect training makes the difference.
Yeah if you are carrying a knife for self defense be realistic, the knife the presenter is holding in the video is about the size of paring knife or steak knife, yes it is of course a real knife but before firearms displaced melee weapons people from many disparate cultures had come to the same consensus on the rough minimum size for blade weapons from the gladius to the seaxs to dirks to wakisashis to licasapunni to kukri to kriss to navaja to the Bowie and even up to WWII issue bayonets- The long-knife/short-sword were all considerably longer than that pocket knife and that is why I carry a Cold Steel Espada XL as my offensive blade.
We were issued Boston Leather slappers when I started as a metro patrol division officer for 38 years. I went for the jaw to break it first, then the cranium. I would use the military riot spray , instead of the issued tear gas , or bear spray. I liked the PR-24 side handle baton, however the contact will run or back up, but with the slapper, in 38 years they never saw it coming.😂
I made one not too long ago with a few hex nuts and a strap made of 550 cord. And while I was hitting bob I bonked myself on the forehead with it. Nothing too bad but it hurt like a b!tch.
I know iiii know. Forgot to add that yesterday. I watched your vid a couple times and also showed my kids. We do martial arts also. I just started making the monkey fists. Sorry i shoulda deleted that question! Oops
Never gonna knock you out Never gonna drop you down Never gonna turn your head And slap you Never gonna let you die Cause you're my demo guy Only gonna upload now And show you
Back when I first started to work as a thief I used a blackjack all the time, but when I became more of a pro sneaksy the blackjack saw less and less use.
Incredibly true that a knife takes time. I've had to use a knife for self defense and it was a sobering reality of how long it can take. The person is still able to fight even after being stabbed, and that's providing you stabbed them the full length of the blade, most of the time or at least the first time you need to use one in a combat situation it's alot different. And that's even if you get the blade out if your pocket and open if it's a knife on a Swiss Army knife. You have seconds to do it, literally seconds. It's cool to see these sap weapons
@@UrbanSurvivalcraftthanks! Wow you just logged back into your channel after a long time huh haha? Excited to see what your new thoughts on self defenss are in todays age or if you have updated ideas
There are more places in the United States where it is illegal to carry a sap, blackjack, slap jack or an expandable baton then it is where it is illegal to carry a firearm. So you really need to check your local laws before you go walking around with one of these things.
best weapon is a pack of cigarettes. convince them to have one and light the lighter low a little away from them as they lean forward a hard jab to the corner of the jaw
This guy has never been in an actual fight This works as well as Akiedo...only works if they let you do it That whole face push slap move wouldnt happen in a real fight
***** Just reread it you're right! I deleted previous comment to not confuse the issue. Thank you for pointing it out. The way I read chapter 790 of the FL statutes we are allowed to carry black jacks and similar items when we have a concealed weapons permit as discussed in 790.6 and 790.01. The prohibition is for the manufacture and sale of slung shots etc. I've gotten several legal opinions to confirm this and am pretty confident this is correct.
Ever heard of a monkey fist made with a pool ball? Hehe. Now hopefully I won't accidentally get popped with it. Kidding. Hmmm. Well actually that would really suck though. Ouuchhie 🏥
Urban Survivalcraft right on, the crafters make them with the lil round metal spheres. They call them Weights (?) Btw, if using a monkey fist as a weapon, a ball of foil does NOT* work that well. Just Fyi...
The problem with knocking a person out is the SECOND impact that could kill him - when his head hits the concrete sidewalk. Good luck with a jury if you do that. But, I just read on another forum about a similar technique to what you described. This fellow used pepper spray to stun an attacker and then beat the crap out of his knees and legs with an ASP collapsible baton. If an attacker can't chase you then he can't hurt you. And, I would think most juries would look kindly on the fact that you used non-lethal force. Gotta protect our attackers even though they are rabid animals preying on the innocent. Don't ya love Liberal Utopia?
For awhile I carried a cable firearm lock. These are padlocks which have a loop of steel cable instead of the normal shackle and everything is coated in plastic so it won't mar the gun. They come free in the box with a new firearm and make a good improvised slung-shot. Now I carry an old Buchiemer Texan I came across along with a SIG 9mm, pepper spray and a high output, compact light. I like having options.
Hey! I usually throw those locks away. I never considered them for a self defense weapon.
I used them to secure my baby carriage when my son was infant lol.
Zip tie wrenches into a mini umbrella along the stem hidden by the fabric. Zip tie the umbrella into the closed position. Lights out.
better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6
Dumb cliche. Either way it's not in your benefit why think negative.
You'll be judged by 1 and carried by one 😂 too, piece by fuckin piece then in a can.
This rings true especially during these times. Fuck those antifa pieces of shits.
Terrorists on both sides
Antifa and right wing extremists.
However its scarier when the terrorists have governmental authorities and openly display a counter flag to separate themselves from civilian Americans.
Thin blue line is the terrorist organization to be afraid of.
They have actual power, police word is taken without question even after being caught in lie after lie after lie(look into a popular case like Breona Taylor, police lied multiple times and its ignored)
The perjury is veeeeeery rarely prosecuted because they work so closely with district attorneys and prosecutors.
When you have militias planning on a kidnapping governor after trump told people to liberate the state, along with telling WS to stand back and stand by( which WS then used as propaganda to fund raise and recruit off of) this is when and what you should be worried about.
A lot of times though, boot lickers prefer authoritarian leaders over democratically elected ones.
Trump commissioned an investigation into vote tampering and vote irregularities in 2016 and they quietly disbanded because....... they came up empty handed. Yet he will call foul anyway this time around.
Truly are troubling times
Im gonna need more than 6 people to carry my fatass.
You don't need to use so much force when using an impact weapon like a sap. The target of behind the ear could kill instead of just "knock out".
Yep. Which is why our first line of defense should always be awareness, avoidance and de-escalation.
mike gonz I have to be honest...frankly, if some punk attacks me, and I have done nothing to insight that violence, I don't care how much force it takes to stop the situation, I will use what is necessary to bring the attacker down. While I'm not setting out to take his life, if it happens, it happens! After all, I didn't ask to be assaulted, and if he would've minded his own business and not attacked me, he would still be alive! But, a sap would be a last line of defense for me. If I'm facing a deadly, violent attack, the impact from a .40 Glock will stop it quick. I am a man of peace, but prepared for war.
The problem with this is if you knock someone out, then the fall and hit there head, then die. Now you are up on a murder or SM charge. It's would be perfect if it's a home defence tactic. The odds of shooting a family member is nonexistent, and better then hand to hand. Oregon does not let you have one on your person outside of you house. I have my blackjack on the table behind me now. Perfect for evil Ninjas. Lol
I'm glad you mentioned that. I like the simplicity of that double strike, but as far as targeting, one needs a 'sloppy factor.'. You answered that.
@@heithm38 We don't have a robotic justice system where if you do A. then B. and C. are AUTOMATICALLY charged by the prosecution. The entirety of the situation is taken into account. If you're getting into fights or going to these stupid "protests" (riots) and you punch someone and they fall and die, then you're going to be charged. However, if someone tries to carjack you and you punch him and he falls and dies, you're VERY UNLIKELY to be charged with anything. It's an open and shut self defense case. In Oregon it is a class three misdemeanor to carry a sap or blackjack but if you're not hanging out in bars, clubs, concerts, protests, or downtown, you're not going to get randomly frisked by a cop. Oregon ain't New York City. Just don't have it in your pocket while driving in case you're stopped. Although a word of warning: A blackjack is much more deadly than a flat sap. A blackjack can crack someone's skull. A retired cop once told me, "Flat Sap for the face, blackjack for everything else EXCEPT the face.
I've spoken with a lot of old-school police officers. They all sing praises about the sap (or any impact weapon). Most of them would rather have a sap (or similar) than an expandable baton, blade, taser, pepper spray, tac flashlight, or stun gun. They all said it was the most reliable non-lethal weapon for "adjusting attitudes" or just putting someone to sleep.
Yep, that's how we learned of sap and black jacks as well.
Canes are indeed very versatile in that regard.
the problem with putting someone to sleep is it can lead to life long mental issues/brain trauma. think of the amount of civil lawsuits police would end up with these days from victims who received serious brain injuries at the hands of police. back in those days people didn't realise just how much damage the brain was receiving when a person was knocked out. for that very reason these days police are trained to avoid the head unless as an absolute last resort..
Would those old school cops prefer a sap or black jack?
@@mxq88 The problem is also with tasers. The could injure when they drop and fall on their head, Also there are thousands of death by use with tasers. Its a less lethal weapon not none lethal.
Unlike the purpose built sap, The padlock on the bandanna is really likely to cause some permanent lasting damage. The SAP actually has the leather to spread out the impact and it doesn’t have any sharp edges. When you hit somebody with that padlock it’s probably going to leave a huge gash in their head and bloods going to go everywhere.
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@@WMDMC Haha. Im staying far from you.
The old timers used a dime tied into the corner of a bandanna to slap one silly .In the eye or upside the head will get ones attention.A dime seems lite but a half dollar or a nut would work .A hunk of heavy copper cable covered in insulation works great.And the old garage door springs are amazing tools wrapped halfway with friction tape.😊
Those old timer's are treasure troves of info. Thanks for sharing.
"Mean Gene" leather coin purse is quite an effective blackjack and probably a lot more legal too.
Dude! This is really bad ass!!!! Thank you very much for sharing. Here's the link for anyone interested. www.meangeneleather.com/shop/mgl-hot-tamale-less-lethal-coin/#prettyPhoto
No problem, I can fit about $13 worth of quarters in mine!
I have one but want to add a lead weight at the tip along with coins. Just don’t know what size lead shot to use.
I carry a good light, a texan sap and a ti-lite VI knife, if you are going to carry get a big one and learn how to use it.
The sap is devastating and all you really got to do is snap your wrist into the hit.
Dont get caught with it
+Robert Deskins Saps are legal here in Miami, Fl
My friends family got an old box full of some old relatives belongings. We went through it and found a blackjack in there. We thought it was the funniest thing ever until we started hitting ourselves with it...
One slap to the jaw with one of those... I can't even imagine what kind of a person would come back for seconds after that. You'd have to be from another planet not to know better.
exactly!
Impact weapons (blackjacks, saps and brassknuckles) will be legal here in TEXAS Sept 1st. 2019
ed lira I’m from California. Never been to Texas but gotta love your spirit
Yep, carry mine daily in Houston.
Thomas FreeasWind fuckin lucky. I wish I could carry a black jack instead of a knife tbh.
@@Nb-wp4nk y not both
The point of impact you showed (over the carotid artery) causes a vasovagal response. Blood pressure drops, and you wake up on the floor in a minute or two with piss soaked pants. Former paramedic. (Also did some work as a bouncer)
Thats been my observation as well. Thanks for commenting.
You need to aim as though you were hitting with you knuckles or you’ll miss under extreme stress. I have military, street, and martial arts chops and the real thing is way different than most people expect so again, when striking with your blackjack aim with your fist not the 3-6 inch weapon extending from it
Thx for the advice👍
Learn to Throw the Jab fist vertical its a snaping blow not a Haymaker vertcal fist tasrgets the Sap Perfectly.as does the Ali rising jab
I've used sand in my pocket before. keep your hand in your pocket grab some sand and throw it in their eyes. This works 95 percent of the time and they'll never expect it.
I used pocket change once as well. Thanks for the tip.
SHISHISHAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!!!!
Pocket sand!
POCKET SAND!
I used to do this when I was a kid.
As for that smiley (lock with bandana) be extremely careful with which lock you use, as it is EXTREMELY effective at putting someone down. I would say use a combination lock, because that padlock is very weighty and generates a lot of force. It can and will fracture someones skull or worse. If you must use it, I recommend aiming only at stuff below the neck (ribs, clavicle). Stay safe, stay legal! \m/
Copy that.
Wouldn’t carrying that on your right side but using it with your left hand be best . Because a fast sweep would be right inline to the liver .
I would just focus on nerve bundles and sensitive areas to avoid death or permanent injury and the whole legality issue. Blackjack to the knee, groin, ribs, hell any joint or large muscle group would likely cause a would be attacker to give up pretty quickly. If not we’ll then the escalation of force is needed to stop the attacker and you have a legal standing now instead of a giant hole in his head and no other external injuries to prove you tried to de-escalate the situation with non lethal force.
Exactly! I like the way you think.
"Spray the guy and hit the guy?" Have you ever actually deployed pepper spray before? You DO NOT want move forward into your target's space (as you would need to do to follow up with the sap strike) immediately after spraying them.
Why? Because you'd be advancing into a cloud of pepper spray. You won't get as much of it as the other guy, but it will get your eyes and mess with you too.
You'll want to give a couple seconds for the aerosolized pepper spray to disperse before moving into the area you sprayed.
If you have pepper spray, then just spray them and run away instead of trying to sap them.
And if you're in some location where you can't retreat (like in your own home), then you're better off push kicking them than leaning into them with a punch or a strike only to get a face full of your own pepper spray.
Cops blind themselves with pepper spray all the time because they go in too soon after spraying.
Heck, even if you don't move forward, if there's just a bit of wind blowing in your direction, the spray can blow back on you. So you should always be backing away while spraying. Not loving forward.
He is the new urban survival just stay home after dark and if you do go out don't make friends mind your own business
Awareness, avoidance, and de-escalation are critical for true self defense. Community is important for being alive though. Make plenty of friends, just do it the right way ; )
But you don't need a flash knock out to stop the attack. With that sap one swift hard down stroke to the clavicle and the bad guy is done but still alive.
Mostly agreed but the clavicle is less decisive than a knock.
A padlock + 50cm of paracord
A small steel carabiner + a paracord also works
Elbows are another good impact weapon
That takes skill & close quarters.
4:48-when you can he's familiar with 1%r's.
A snooker/pool ball in a sock is a good impact weapon.
So what might happen is you were to miss that target area or perhaps the opponent ducks? If the impact lands on the top of the cranium or maybe a wrist? If you don't succeed is knocking the opponent out am I liable to be prosecuted?
Thumbs Up for Tyler ! He reminds me of my cousin Donny Casey.
Thank you Tyler is a very well respected member of our group and an outstanding young man.
Interesting - and good points !
Thanks for watching!
Skull is thin behind the ear. You don't want to kill. Just in capacitate. Knees, elbows, wrists, neck and throat all good targets.
Bandanas work . Personal experience.
81 H E W P Thanks for sharing!
Yes indeed they do. I Saw some chick crack a guy with a padlock and bandanna. Dude hit the floor about as hard as she hit dude.
Yep.
Vagrants call them "smileys" and you can be arrested for having one without the key to the lock.
MrSting17 ... What kinda stupid shit is that??
blackjack or slapper?
Great information, I always carry a impact weapon besides a gun.
Thank you.
In the uk ive always favouredthe billiard ball in a sock
That'll work!
how dangerous are these? how hard should you hit someone with it? I've heard if you use all your strength with a blackjack you might end up killing them.
They are a force multipliers for sure. The physics behind it suggest you will hit dramatically harder than with your fist. We generally advise our students that anytime you strike the head, neck or spine it should be considered lethal force. So basically if you aren't justified in possibly killing them use a lesser form of force. We like carotid restraints but those are controversial too. By the way check this out too: ruclips.net/video/uhL60NXtXRk/видео.html
they can easily kill someone but for me in a dangerous situation I rather hit them than stab them because it's you know terrifying and gorey if you stab someone there's impact weapons with even piercing ability like spikes or sharp edges or corners use it with caution buddy or just stick to pepperspray or a kubaton
Urban Survivalcraft if someone was robbing me I'd be a little nervous because I wouldn't want to accidentally kill them. of course I'd feel bad for killing someone but the bigger thing is sometimes they still take you in and have a trial even if you are defending yourself in a stand your ground stat, it happens all the time in Texas.
Urban Survivalcraft Its really hard to make that call with a mugger though. muggers in real life usually aren't as evil as the ones we see in movies so it's actually really sad if you get robbed and end up killing them. I've been robbed before and I was actually able to talk to the guy down and get him to cool off and just take what I could spare. it was really upsetting though because he wasn't a sociopath he was just desperate and poor. that said if someone robs me and has that crazy look in their eye like they aren't affraid I'm not holding back.
hacka9871 263728 also if there's a lot of blood you can slip and fall and just end up making it worse.
2:12 Rorschach? Is that you?
The item you are calling a Black Jack is actually a Sap.
Pootie Tang say, “Sa-da-tay, my damies!”
That shot behind the ear will get you arrested. Any hit to the leg or knee area will put a guy into tears!
Those are certainly effective targets. Thanks for sharing.
I would like to carry a leather sap in addition to my Glock-19. Are sap legal to carry with a CCW permit in the state of Florida?
I have been told they are. Verify with a competent attorney though just in case.
Great, but what are the legalities of these weapons?
Are you allowed to carry them? What about someone who isn't allowed to have a firearm? Can they have one of these?
Thanks for any answers.
The legalities will vary from place to place. In Miami, Fl where I'm from they're legal to carry if you have a concealed weapons permit.
excellent
My grandfather passed away in 1971 he was a Chicago motorcycle cop from 1920-1940. One thing he left was a blackjack made beautifully with leather. A compliance weapon. My brother opened it up to see what was in it. It was filled with pennies. It was pretty heavy and would have easily put your lights out. I am going to make one I just don't no what kind yet.
Thank you for sharing.
How long would you say the ideal handle length should be?
I have the Boston Jr sap and it’s 8.25”. Just right
Try several out and go by feel.
Thunbs up. Informative vid cool stuff
Thank you very much!
There’s a video on RUclips where a guy in the UK was stabbed in the neck. He hit the floor within seconds and bleed to death. Also, the recent incident in NYC where the store clerk killed a guy within seconds of the first stab. I think neck stabs are more effective.
Neck stabs are deadly for sure. My point was merely that they are unpredictable. There's a video of a guy with a large knife stabbed through his nasal cavity still conscious while waiting in the emergency room also available on the internet. All that said, yes if I had to stab someone the neck is a good target.
I won't listen to anything someone has to say if they suggest the use of a monkey fist.
Why?
The first item demonstrated is not a jack, its a flat sap and when you hit snap you wrist down like cracking a whip- the flexing action generated this way hits with 8 times of a rigged of the same
size/weight.
Other highly effective targets are elbows, knees, shins, hands, collar bones, and brainstem.
A simple technique could be w/sap in right hand sidestep a left jab to the outside,
grab the wrist while stepping with your left & pull him forward while turning in to face his back,
strike the elbow,
As you finish turning into face his back a comitted side arm swing into where his skull meets his neck, then just keep walking
+Robert Deskins Thanks for sharing
One of your better videos. I really appreciate view points that reminded me and help me figure out ways to carry proven designs of self defense in a legal manor even when local laws are ridiculous. Staying legal is a priority of mine but I refuse to go unarmed! Thanks for sharing and helping me protect myself and my family.
You ask for what we want to see...well I'd personally love to see a short (sub 10 min) knife routine for practicing knife skill training. I realize knife training is a vast genre so If this doesn't make sense message me. Again thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts with us.
merize1447 So glad you found it useful! We have one in the queue addressing knives for self defense. Its scheduled to come out in the next few weeks. Keep an eye out and let me know what you think : )
best use some flex tape to fix the damage!
Which damage are you referring too?
Urban Survivalcraft the internal bleeding these things could cause 😂😂
Wow nice
What is the make of the leather SAP?
www.greenmanleather.ca/jack-saps.php
Boston Leather makes good ones at very affordable prices. The Boston Jr. (8.25”) 4ply is right under $40
two tins corned beef in string para cord net bag you stop anybody
Love every bit In California those are felonies
I've found it, the best comment section on youtube
Thanks very much for sharing that old 'railroad bull ' technique. Im going to use that in my research/writing.
glad it was helpful. where can we see your writing?
+Urban Survivalcraft I'm shopping my manuscript around now with martial arts/weapons publishers and the like. Very slow process so in the meantime I'm putting out videos of my antique sap collection and sharing highlights. Please check out my channel if interested.
Also, I grew up in Miami and my friends and I used to play all the time on the railroad and talk to the engineers (small world).
Definitely a small world. I will be checking out your channel for sure. Please be sure to let me know when you finally get it published. You may wish to self publish if you get no satisfaction soon.
+Urban Survivalcraft Will do! That does seem the more probable route but I'm going to try the traditional route for a few months 1st.
Will be purchasing a sap shortly. Like that hit you presented, thanks for the info.
good video 👊💯💯💯
Thank you.
uhhh im pretty sure a paddle lock on a bandany would equal manslaughter
It would really depend on the totality of the circumstances.
That spot is where Rory MacDonald kicked Robbie Lawler and turned him white as a ghost, in the craziest MMA fight of all time.
what kind of knife is that?
Is that knife the smaller ti-lite?
What kind of flashlight you carry?
+Robert Deskins Its the one with the 4" blade. I carry a surefire executive.
+Urban Survivalcraft
I carry a ti lite 6, a olight m1x striker and, a leather man wave regularly
all great choices. love the ti lite.
+Urban Survivalcraft
if you slide a key ring under the pocket clip of that ti light all you have to do is get you pinky in the ring, give a short pull and as the handle comes out wrap your palm around it and push the exposed hilt wedge into the corner of your pocket as it is meant to function like the Emerson wave stud (not as well as it does but it does work) and the ring makes immensely easier & faster- I could have it out and deployed far faster then my friend could get his switch blade out and it's legal
Would an 8inch or 11inch sap be better?
11 is better for reach and striking power but 8 is better to conceal in the pocket for carry
8” is better for everyday carry. Just the right length for concealability and grip. Boston Jr 4 ply is my go to and edc
BlackJacks always seemed so tiny I wonder how they even hurt. It's one of those looks are deceiving things. Like hitting someone with a belt or a shoe sole. But it has some heft with a ball bearing or solid sphere of some kind sewn in. Good vid :)
A newspaper with a handful of coins or nuts or bolts some stones folded up in the right way it wouldn't last long but just might help in a bind
For sure. Thanks for sharing.
Closest thing to a "Legal" sap and very effective would be a homemade "Manriki" chain. Put a padlock at each end of a dog choke chain. Very collapseable so it would be somewhat comfortable to carry in your pocket. Even the chain alone would be effective. They come in a few different sizes on Amazon.
Yep we made them with fishing weights and dog chokers. We called them sinker bashers. They were a popular thing when I was in high school.
thats not a jack, its a sap. despite its effectiveness when used with current less lethal strike points, bot are illegal in almost every state, listed by name in criminal code.
Those states all have one thing in common. They are all blue states and 2nd amendment is illegal. In 2023 America you will have to be a criminal if you want to exercise your constitutional rights and a American citizen
Now legal in Texas
A bicycle lock and a bandana could split a skull open and possibly kill rather disable.
In south central Kentucky of the 40's and 50's where there is only town or there's country and urban and suburban was not in the vernacular my grandfather was a farmer, deacon and constable. A certain man was known to carry a kitchen knife at the times when he decided to get a snootful, that is, when he was drunk. My grandfather got the call that this man was drunk and bellicose in a certain small part of a small town. He got in his big International farm truck and sought him out. Upon finding him my grandfather announced that he was here to give him a ride home or to jail and the choice was to be determined by the the response. As the the man made choice and his hand went toward his back pocket he was flicked by a slap in the forehead. He was rolled into the back of the truck and trussed by hand and foot to the cattle racks before delivery to the city jail where he eventually regained consciousness and his senses to find a goose egg over his left eye. My grandfather only swatted him as if to swat a fly, swiftly but not nearly as hard as possible.
I wish some study would reveal the energy needed to produce a knockout with a strike such as that as well as a slap to the jaw, the base of the neck and the noggin proper. Turned on edge, I'm told, a hard strike to a muscle with a slapjack will frog it so badly that an arm or leg becomes of little use. I think a forearm strike might render that arm of little use for more than a minute. The true danger of a slap or jack is that they can easily break bones and teeth and cause permanent brain damage.
Thank you for sharing that!
honestly I found that entertaining to read bc type in an accent lol...or was that in my head
Is that you, Boyd Crowder?
Take my word for it don't bring a weapon that your not willing to take damage from and people are a lot more hardy than you would think
Agreed, fortunately in many cases the psychology of your opponent preferring to to get injured does the trick. If all the other you better have heart.
This impact weapon could certainly prove useful in certain situations if you know how to carry and use it, but the sap isn't as popular as it used to be. In fact, it is rearly used anymore. As he said, "if" you can use it as demonstrated, it could be better than a knife or other weapon to stop an attack. However, I know very little about the use of a sap, only heard about it a short time ago and it may conflict with other self defense strategies, such as distance is your friend and you must create it quickly. When you strike with the sap, you may expose certain parts of your body to counter-attack to someone with quick reflexes or self defense training. I suspect training makes the difference.
100%
Yeah if you are carrying a knife for self defense be realistic, the knife the presenter is holding in the video is about the size of paring knife or steak knife, yes it is of course a real knife but before firearms displaced melee weapons people from many disparate cultures had come to the same consensus on the rough minimum size for blade weapons from
the gladius to the seaxs to dirks to wakisashis to licasapunni to kukri to kriss to navaja to the Bowie and even up to WWII issue bayonets-
The long-knife/short-sword were all considerably longer than that pocket knife and that is why I carry a Cold Steel Espada XL as my offensive blade.
Yeah, agreed, but sometimes there's only so much real estate to accommodate all of your EDC.
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Welcome aboard bro.
what about a baton
The telescopic ones can be quite handy. Unfortunately they are illegal in many places.
Interesting
We were issued Boston Leather slappers when I started as a metro patrol division officer for 38 years. I went for the jaw to break it first, then the cranium. I would use the military riot spray , instead of the issued tear gas , or bear spray. I liked the PR-24 side handle baton, however the contact will run or back up, but with the slapper, in 38 years they never saw it coming.😂
Thanks for sharing your insight.
Couldn't this also work with an open palm? This would also avoid conviction for use of a deadly weapon.
That would depend on your palm I guess.
I made one not too long ago with a few hex nuts and a strap made of 550 cord. And while I was hitting bob I bonked myself on the forehead with it. Nothing too bad but it hurt like a b!tch.
At least you are training right?
@@UrbanSurvivalcraft yessir. I wasn’t hurt all too bad 😂
USE THE LOCK AS A ONE FINGER BRASS KNUCKLE....🥊
Slick idea. My finger doesn't fit in that particular lock but I'll keep it in mind for larger ones. Thank you.
s tub sock and a can of tuna
Great information btw. Really, very useful. Thank you!
I know iiii know. Forgot to add that yesterday. I watched your vid a couple times and also showed my kids. We do martial arts also. I just started making the monkey fists. Sorry i shoulda deleted that question! Oops
Did I just get Rick Rolled?
Ha ha ha ha ha !!! Nope, but check this out.
ruclips.net/video/dQw4w9WgXcQ/видео.html
Never gonna knock you out
Never gonna drop you down
Never gonna turn your head
And slap you
Never gonna let you die
Cause you're my demo guy
Only gonna upload now
And show you
If you can't protect yourself with a firearm, you might as well have two batteries in a sock.
Yep, great idea. Thanks for sharing.
Excellent video!
It's similar than patu
The patu is rigid since it is made either from wood or stone. This one is flexible. Although I can see where the techniques are similar.
Bam!
+Keltic Peak : )
Unfortunately a Felony here in CA...
Back when I first started to work as a thief I used a blackjack all the time, but when I became more of a pro sneaksy the blackjack saw less and less use.
I also played the Thief games. They were pretty fun
You had me in the first half, not gonna lie. lol.
(Praise the master builder).
That range will not help much unless your opponent has no hand skills at all.
Or if your's are significantly better.
Incredibly true that a knife takes time. I've had to use a knife for self defense and it was a sobering reality of how long it can take. The person is still able to fight even after being stabbed, and that's providing you stabbed them the full length of the blade, most of the time or at least the first time you need to use one in a combat situation it's alot different. And that's even if you get the blade out if your pocket and open if it's a knife on a Swiss Army knife. You have seconds to do it, literally seconds. It's cool to see these sap weapons
Thanks for commenting.
@@UrbanSurvivalcraftthanks! Wow you just logged back into your channel after a long time huh haha? Excited to see what your new thoughts on self defenss are in todays age or if you have updated ideas
@@pharaohsmagician8329 We're going to start uploading new vids soon.
Blackjack and sap hits to the head are a last resort. Easy to kill or maim. From experience.
Exactly
勉強になります。スラッパーでの攻撃箇所がわかりました。m(_ _)m
There are more places in the United States where it is illegal to carry a sap, blackjack, slap jack or an expandable baton then it is where it is illegal to carry a firearm. So you really need to check your local laws before you go walking around with one of these things.
Absolutely!
Thought something was wrong with the sound then I heard it go in and out. Bad intro to the video
this guy is not saying nothing about lawsuits after
We made a video about that. Check it out here: ruclips.net/video/uhL60NXtXRk/видео.html
"Hi, my buddy Tyler here is finna gonna get the Ginger whooped outta him! Thank ya very much."
best weapon is a pack of cigarettes. convince them to have one and light the lighter low a little away from them as they lean forward a hard jab to the corner of the jaw
Ha ha ha ha awesome!
This guy has never been in an actual fight
This works as well as Akiedo...only works if they let you do it
That whole face push slap move wouldnt happen in a real fight
Carrying a blackjack, sap, metallic knucks, and similar items are illegal in Florida, as he should know.
philip eldon I'll double check just in case. The way I read the law was that with a concealed weapons permit I was allowed to carry these items.
***** Just reread it you're right! I deleted previous comment to not confuse the issue. Thank you for pointing it out. The way I read chapter 790 of the FL statutes we are allowed to carry black jacks and similar items when we have a concealed weapons permit as discussed in 790.6 and 790.01. The prohibition is for the manufacture and sale of slung shots etc. I've gotten several legal opinions to confirm this and am pretty confident this is correct.
Urban Survivalcraft
Can anyone sell me a blackjack
Look at that cute lil uncooked French fry next to him trying to look like a badass.
You're a trip
Just don't spray a Chinese man called Jackie chan
Thats some wisdom right there. : )
Ever heard of a monkey fist made with a pool ball? Hehe. Now hopefully I won't accidentally get popped with it. Kidding.
Hmmm.
Well actually that would really suck though. Ouuchhie 🏥
I actually know of some kids making them with marbles since they wont trigger the metal detectors.
Urban Survivalcraft right on, the crafters make them with the lil round metal spheres. They call them Weights (?)
Btw, if using a monkey fist as a weapon, a ball of foil does NOT* work that well. Just Fyi...
Too big and clunky to carry comfortably. Also would telegraph what your about to do.
The problem with knocking a person out is the SECOND impact that could kill him - when his head hits the concrete sidewalk. Good luck with a jury if you do that. But, I just read on another forum about a similar technique to what you described. This fellow used pepper spray to stun an attacker and then beat the crap out of his knees and legs with an ASP collapsible baton. If an attacker can't chase you then he can't hurt you. And, I would think most juries would look kindly on the fact that you used non-lethal force. Gotta protect our attackers even though they are rabid animals preying on the innocent. Don't ya love Liberal Utopia?