Hey, about half way through your video and a few things. 1. You are completely justified in wanting a tighter fit and finish. It's nearly a 50k vehicle. Get those issues fixed while under warranty. QC dropped the ball because my 2019 passport elite has none of those fit and finish issues. 2. The mpg will get better with time and I experienced worse around town then you are right now. Around town I was averaging 14.5mpg. eventually everything broke in and I'm now averaging 19.5mpg combined and the elite has 20" wheels and wider tires. Great content, keep it up
Also, forgot to mention. On the 9 speed. Apparently they tuned it better for the newer models, but on my 2019 it definitely hunts for gears at lower speeds and lurches sometimes. I seriously don't care because the power train and everything else is so good. V6's don't sound the way they do in this car. It's OBNOXIOUS. I love it 😂
I own one myself. I do agree with hatch gaps , i thought i was been crazy noticing that. Lol but overall i love my Passport. Thanks for sharing the video.
I just got a 2023 with 7800 miles in FL 2 weeks a go with a Cerified Warranty Plus with Extended Warranty no deductible paid Extra for Bumper to Bumper 10Yrs/150k miles I work overseas so I didn’t have time to real shop but the Wife Loves it and guess that is what matters😊
Thanks for your review. I have been looking at midsize SUV’s and most are too small for easy entry and exit. This vehicle not only has a bunch of safety features, a powerful engine is roomy, etc!
@@ryanb8736 I disagree a bit with you. We had a 2013 Insight (made in Japan) that was solid, panels lined up, well built, great paint. I also owned a 95 Civic Si and a 1987 Accord that was also well built. I’m just surprised how many levels of approval that hatch passed to still make it to me.
@@coffeecomputersandmore2300 Thats Japan. My UK built type R has terrible gap and there are even some paint missing in some areas that I have to fix with Dr. Color Chip. Car is only 4000 miles as it sits right now. I am first owner.
I have a 2023 Passport EX-L. The only 2 modifications I made were the Idlestopper & S-VCM controller. No regrets! Now the vehicle drives like a true 6 cylinder ALL the time.
@@larryjohns8823 On the newer vehicles, it’s less noticeable however on the older vehicles, I’ve read people feel the engine vibration. I’ve also read people use a scan tool to determine if it’s activated. Just google or RUclips disadvantages of Honda VCM engines.
@@larryjohns8823 I’ve heard some people use a scan tool to determine if it’s activated. The main disadvantage I can think of is you will not get the fuel savings it’s intended for. I opt to go for engine longevity over fuel efficiency.
Congrats. Awesome Vehicle. I just purchased a preowned 21 EX-L with 19k miles for $28K in 9.5 outof 10 condition. It looks like they are depreciating at around 30 to 35% after three years. Mine still has 8 months of the original warranty. So perhaps in 2.5 years. But the depreciation should start to slow down after year 3. Part of the reason is the "old vibe" school this thing has. Everyone is coming out with digital this and digital that, but this thing is stuck with a 2015 look. I do not mind it, because it has that "utilitarian" feel to it and it has all the tech I need. Having said that , the comfortable seats are worth the price of admission
Yeah, the depreciation has me a bit scared but with the newer V6 and body style on the way I’m hoping my gen gets a bit of a following (although it has a big audience on it right now).
@@travisp11 Look at it this way, if you buy any car, especially new, you are going to get hit hard. I just bought it so I know the depreciation is real and with the new one coming out, it might not help either. But if you love it and you are planning to keep it, these Hondas will last for years and years. I am not one to buy new cars. I like buying a 2 to 3 year old car. By the time, I sell it 3 years down the road, it will not be as bad. It is easy to go from $50K to $30K. It is not as easy to go from $30K to $10K.
Waiting for the 2025 Passport Trailsport. On my list, as I don’t need a 3rd row. Hopefully they’ll upgrade the interior and infotainment and keep the V6. This trim offers a lot while keeping the 2nd row bench.
Im expecting great things from the next gen model. My guess is that they will take the current Pilot and lop a foot of the back but still retain all of the off road goodies and the next get V6
@@coffeecomputersandmore2300 that’s going to be interesting for sure. The Pilot is too big (long) for me. I drive an older highlander which is only 192.5” long.
Noticed fit/finish issues on my 2024 EX-L too. It's bothersome, especially when compared to my prior 2019 Mazda3 (which had zero fit/finish issues). That said, the PP is fun to drive. Best upgrade I have so far are those WeatherTech mats.
Inital fit and finish on Mazda products seems to be pretty good. My prior Hondas were an 87 Accord, 95 Civic Si and 2013 Insight and all of them had better finish than the Passport.@@newenglandstacker
Mazda’s have some of the best fit and finish of all vehicles made. I’ve had a 6 GT, 3 hatchback. Now currently a CX30, and a CX5 turbo. I’ve been looking at the Passport to replace the CX5
Hi Travis, i have the same passport, somehow there is condensation happening in the driver side tail light .. do you know if that should be covered by warranty? I agree with you fully on the fit n finish of the vehicle but its a joy to drive the car.
I noticed a little bit in my passenger rear after my last car wash but it dried out after a day. There may be a vent hole in the light somewhere that let some humidity in and it condensed in the housing. Unless mine gets worse I’m fine with it and yeah, I agree with you on the fun driving factor!
I have a new 2024 passport made in February no Bill qualities at all that I can see mileage is a little disappointing, but is a great vehicle for the rural country roads I live on
im surprised they didnt update the infotainment to the 9inch that honda has.. also there no center front parking sensors. also there is no stop and go slow follow adaptive cruise control.. for this amount of money it should have these.
I completely agree. Even a front center cam would have been easy to integrate but we know Honda didn’t wanna invest too much in it when the next gen comes out next year.
I am looking at Passports right now. I feel something went seriously wrong with the body of your Passport. This reminds me of a covid time period vehicle that we bought. Those issues look like warranty issues at the least! No there shouldn't be those things wrong like that.
The one thing that makes me hesitate on buying one is the VCM, not a fan at all, but can buy a s-vcm tuner to turn that off and would buy the thing to turn off the auto/start/stop as well.
I don’t disagree with you on that. I bought my 2020 Kona SEL AWD in March of 2020 just before the Rona kicked off and my Kona was a solid vehicle (aside from the engine recall). Fit and finish was solid. When you say adjusted market value do you mean crappy resale or dealers adding to the price?
@@coffeecomputersandmore2300 My wifes last car was a 2021 Seltos, That started being available around April 2020- almost didn't take delivery it was missing the entire fender wheel well filler had some foam gaskets popping out at a few seams, missing carpet mats, second fob... what a joke.. these were just built around the time the world started shutting down. and now she has a 2023 Sportage all pieces were there but the car rides like shit.
Might be interested in the 2025 redo..........I like much about the car..........Espeshilly not having to run bone jarring low pro tires.................Paul
No. I have done several automatic touchless car washes and manual wand washes and have had zero water intrusion. The second it does, it’s going in for a rear hatch adjustment.
I know I know. I plan to drive this one into the ground so resale does not matter to me but what I am seeing is a drop from the original MSRP to 2021s running in the mid to upper $20K range, a loss of nearly 50%. I have bought several new vehicles and almost all of them have lost 30% or more in original value after 5 years. Sucks for us Passport owners but it is what it is.
Yup! I have a front skid plate from them and I like what they do. I would like to add a rear diff skid plate at some point. The person I bougth mine from hollowed out a channel so you could easily access the oil and either transmission or differential fluids without having to remove the plate. How has your Passport held up?
@@coffeecomputersandmore2300 Mines a 21' and the only two things that bug me is the auto start/ stop and the transmission can be a hair sluggish shifting in to drive or reverse.
@@DMFaasyeah, those were two items I didn’t message but on the push button shifting, that has been a learning curve and I’m tempted to spend $80 and get that auto idle stop/start disabler box thingy.
Hey, about half way through your video and a few things. 1. You are completely justified in wanting a tighter fit and finish. It's nearly a 50k vehicle. Get those issues fixed while under warranty. QC dropped the ball because my 2019 passport elite has none of those fit and finish issues. 2. The mpg will get better with time and I experienced worse around town then you are right now. Around town I was averaging 14.5mpg. eventually everything broke in and I'm now averaging 19.5mpg combined and the elite has 20" wheels and wider tires. Great content, keep it up
Also, forgot to mention. On the 9 speed. Apparently they tuned it better for the newer models, but on my 2019 it definitely hunts for gears at lower speeds and lurches sometimes. I seriously don't care because the power train and everything else is so good. V6's don't sound the way they do in this car. It's OBNOXIOUS. I love it 😂
I own one myself. I do agree with hatch gaps , i thought i was been crazy noticing that. Lol but overall i love my Passport. Thanks for sharing the video.
Thanks for watching! It is a great SUV and fit and finish issues aside I love it.
I just got a 2023 with 7800 miles in FL 2 weeks a go with a Cerified Warranty Plus with Extended Warranty no deductible paid Extra for Bumper to Bumper 10Yrs/150k miles I work overseas so I didn’t have time to real shop but the Wife Loves it and guess that is what matters😊
What is your total ? I am interested to this car.
Thanks for your review. I have been looking at midsize SUV’s and most are too small for easy entry and exit. This vehicle not only has a bunch of safety features, a powerful engine is roomy, etc!
I love mine. The ride is comfortable and yeah, the space is more than adequate for 4 full size adults
I agree with you, I think that hatch gap is kinda unacceptable for 40k
Im thinking I will get it addressed this summer.
It’s Honda. They’ve never been known for fit and finish.
@@ryanb8736 I disagree a bit with you. We had a 2013 Insight (made in Japan) that was solid, panels lined up, well built, great paint. I also owned a 95 Civic Si and a 1987 Accord that was also well built. I’m just surprised how many levels of approval that hatch passed to still make it to me.
@@coffeecomputersandmore2300 Thats Japan. My UK built type R has terrible gap and there are even some paint missing in some areas that I have to fix with Dr. Color Chip. Car is only 4000 miles as it sits right now. I am first owner.
@@LoveLikeaHurricanesounds like it’s an issue regardless of where the car comes from.
I have a 2023 Passport EX-L. The only 2 modifications I made were the Idlestopper & S-VCM controller. No regrets! Now the vehicle drives like a true 6 cylinder ALL the time.
Is there a way to determine when VCM is activated? I don't like the idea of VCM, but what are the disadvantages of it?
@@larryjohns8823 On the newer vehicles, it’s less noticeable however on the older vehicles, I’ve read people feel the engine vibration. I’ve also read people use a scan tool to determine if it’s activated. Just google or RUclips disadvantages of Honda VCM engines.
Yes, how do you modify and will affect the warranty?
@@JohnStevens-rg5zc There are many YT videos on installing both devices.
@@larryjohns8823 I’ve heard some people use a scan tool to determine if it’s activated. The main disadvantage I can think of is you will not get the fuel savings it’s intended for. I opt to go for engine longevity over fuel efficiency.
Good solid vehicle.
I agree!
Congrats. Awesome Vehicle. I just purchased a preowned 21 EX-L with 19k miles for $28K in 9.5 outof 10 condition. It looks like they are depreciating at around 30 to 35% after three years. Mine still has 8 months of the original warranty. So perhaps in 2.5 years. But the depreciation should start to slow down after year 3. Part of the reason is the "old vibe" school this thing has. Everyone is coming out with digital this and digital that, but this thing is stuck with a 2015 look. I do not mind it, because it has that "utilitarian" feel to it and it has all the tech I need. Having said that , the comfortable seats are worth the price of admission
Yeah, the depreciation has me a bit scared but with the newer V6 and body style on the way I’m hoping my gen gets a bit of a following (although it has a big audience on it right now).
@@travisp11 Look at it this way, if you buy any car, especially new, you are going to get hit hard. I just bought it so I know the depreciation is real and with the new one coming out, it might not help either. But if you love it and you are planning to keep it, these Hondas will last for years and years. I am not one to buy new cars. I like buying a 2 to 3 year old car. By the time, I sell it 3 years down the road, it will not be as bad. It is easy to go from $50K to $30K. It is not as easy to go from $30K to $10K.
@@eseir64 you make a good point on the depreciation and I plan to keep my passport for a long time.
These are great for 40k. Compared to anything else.
Let’s hope she holds up.
Waiting for the 2025 Passport Trailsport. On my list, as I don’t need a 3rd row. Hopefully they’ll upgrade the interior and infotainment and keep the V6. This trim offers a lot while keeping the 2nd row bench.
Im expecting great things from the next gen model. My guess is that they will take the current Pilot and lop a foot of the back but still retain all of the off road goodies and the next get V6
@@coffeecomputersandmore2300 that’s going to be interesting for sure. The Pilot is too big (long) for me.
I drive an older highlander which is only 192.5” long.
🤠👍🏽💯
Noticed fit/finish issues on my 2024 EX-L too. It's bothersome, especially when compared to my prior 2019 Mazda3 (which had zero fit/finish issues). That said, the PP is fun to drive. Best upgrade I have so far are those WeatherTech mats.
The Mazda was made in Japan, FWTW. Idk.
Inital fit and finish on Mazda products seems to be pretty good. My prior Hondas were an 87 Accord, 95 Civic Si and 2013 Insight and all of them had better finish than the Passport.@@newenglandstacker
Mazda’s have some of the best fit and finish of all vehicles made. I’ve had a 6 GT, 3 hatchback. Now currently a CX30, and a CX5 turbo. I’ve been looking at the Passport to replace the CX5
Hi Travis, i have the same passport, somehow there is condensation happening in the driver side tail light .. do you know if that should be covered by warranty? I agree with you fully on the fit n finish of the vehicle but its a joy to drive the car.
I noticed a little bit in my passenger rear after my last car wash but it dried out after a day. There may be a vent hole in the light somewhere that let some humidity in and it condensed in the housing. Unless mine gets worse I’m fine with it and yeah, I agree with you on the fun driving factor!
I have a new 2024 passport made in February no Bill qualities at all that I can see mileage is a little disappointing, but is a great vehicle for the rural country roads I live on
I’m getting 17 mpg in town but it’s all start/stop traffic.
Make sure you put a VCM disabler on the car if you want to keep the car long term.
I’m considering that.
im surprised they didnt update the infotainment to the 9inch that honda has.. also there no center front parking sensors. also there is no stop and go slow follow adaptive cruise control.. for this amount of money it should have these.
I completely agree. Even a front center cam would have been easy to integrate but we know Honda didn’t wanna invest too much in it when the next gen comes out next year.
Biggest debate for me is grabbing a 2021 elite or touring for half the price of a new 2025 when it comes out.
It the miles are low or you can go CPO I wouldn’t hesitate to do it.
I am looking at Passports right now. I feel something went seriously wrong with the body of your Passport. This reminds me of a covid time period vehicle that we bought. Those issues look like warranty issues at the least! No there shouldn't be those things wrong like that.
The one thing that makes me hesitate on buying one is the VCM, not a fan at all, but can buy a s-vcm tuner to turn that off and would buy the thing to turn off the auto/start/stop as well.
Yeah, I didn’t mention the idle stop/start. I’m planning on picking up the idle stopper module that is online for it.
Does the Honda Pilot take regular 87 gas?
Yes!
Like to buy 2024 Honda passport black edition, its good buy?
It is but the ride is much sportier, a bit noisier but you do get more features.
Everything manufacturing after the pandemic went to shit.... but let's talk about the adjusted market value
I don’t disagree with you on that. I bought my 2020 Kona SEL AWD in March of 2020 just before the Rona kicked off and my Kona was a solid vehicle (aside from the engine recall). Fit and finish was solid. When you say adjusted market value do you mean crappy resale or dealers adding to the price?
@@coffeecomputersandmore2300 My wifes last car was a 2021 Seltos, That started being available around April 2020- almost didn't take delivery it was missing the entire fender wheel well filler had some foam gaskets popping out at a few seams, missing carpet mats, second fob... what a joke.. these were just built around the time the world started shutting down. and now she has a 2023 Sportage all pieces were there but the car rides like shit.
was it 45800 before tax or with tax?
Before
My 24' forester has flawless panel alignment..........Where was this Honda Built.????....................Paul
Might be interested in the 2025 redo..........I like much about the car..........Espeshilly not having to run bone jarring low pro tires.................Paul
It’s built in Lincoln, Alabama. Let’s hope the 2025 still gets the V6 and the next gen doesn’t have lots of issues.
Is water getting into the car.🤔
No. I have done several automatic touchless car washes and manual wand washes and have had zero water intrusion. The second it does, it’s going in for a rear hatch adjustment.
Resale value is not the same as RIDGELINE CHECK WITH KELLEYS BLUE BOOK.
I know I know. I plan to drive this one into the ground so resale does not matter to me but what I am seeing is a drop from the original MSRP to 2021s running in the mid to upper $20K range, a loss of nearly 50%. I have bought several new vehicles and almost all of them have lost 30% or more in original value after 5 years. Sucks for us Passport owners but it is what it is.
No-lodesigns has skid plates and other off roading stuff for the Passport/ Pilot. I have a Passport Sport. On longer drives I'll get 28mpg.
Yup! I have a front skid plate from them and I like what they do. I would like to add a rear diff skid plate at some point. The person I bougth mine from hollowed out a channel so you could easily access the oil and either transmission or differential fluids without having to remove the plate. How has your Passport held up?
@@coffeecomputersandmore2300 Mines a 21' and the only two things that bug me is the auto start/ stop and the transmission can be a hair sluggish shifting in to drive or reverse.
@@DMFaasyeah, those were two items I didn’t message but on the push button shifting, that has been a learning curve and I’m tempted to spend $80 and get that auto idle stop/start disabler box thingy.
In 2024 for a mid size SUV to have 16-17 mpg fuel efficiency is scandalous.
I agree but the V6 is so much fun to drive
I have a new 2023 passport elite. same bad quality. Worse than 7 Acura/Honda owned
This is good to know!