I should probably rephrase my question into a statement lol. Hayward is being completely overlooked in this Kyrie Irving drama. Hell is hot because it is filled with lava and devils. Water is wet cuz its a liquid. Hayward is not injury prone.
o Ballislife o He's good, but golden state, Cavs, spurs and literally every team on the west bro. There is going to be massive adjustment period that could take all season to be effective. Will they make conference finals, I hope not cuz they don't deserve it. You have to start from scratch on a trash ass team and work your way up. They most certainly will not win the conference finals if they get there. I expect lebum to sweep them just cuz I don't like the audacity of Kyrie wanting his own team and to lead the team when he can't even lead for 2 seconds without LeBron. Also, i wanna see lebum get his ass whooped at the finals again as gsw got better. I don't know if people realise but gsw just got nick young and omri cassipi. Fuck me this gsw team is literally the greatest team ever. Gordon Hayward along with Kyrie seems great, but it is not enough to overcome the east. I don't expect them to be any good either with the Kyrie plays. Their could drop to the 2nd to 4th seed. Just saying
Bruce Wayne both averaged 25 ppg both averaged 5 almost 6 assists and both were completely garbage without 2 or more all stars on their team and both won 1 championship against each other Kyrie is DEFINITELY more clutch and should be 1-1 but curry needed Durant to carry him to the finals and he had 1 near triple double game so don’t bring up that bullshit becuase 2 games later he dropped 14 points 😂😂
ohmahgoodness Max threw a bomb out with the Chauncey comparison. That was straight facts right there Max Kellerman. In reality, a lot of the non top 15 NBA players today could easily be top 20 players if they played the game 2-way and had a mature mindset. The whole debate on whether Kyrie has more value than IT wouldn't even be a debate if Kyrie played defense. He has made it to the top of an NBA championship and is still looking for respect not 100% due to the fact that he is playing alongside LeBron, but it is because he is only an offensive threat and has the capability of playing defense, but just doesn't play. To this day, every legendary duo was always a 1a-1b pairing; MJ/Pippen, Kobe/Shaq, Magic/Kareem, Bird/McHale. Sure Mj, Shaq, Kareem and Bird were known to most as the man on the team, but Pippen, Kobe, McHale and Magic were never known as little brothers to them because they complimented each other and what one lacked, the other compensated. LeBron can score, pass and defend when he needs to. Kyrie isn't offering any more than 28ppg and wonders why he doesn't get more respect. Come on Kyrie, prove us all wrong next year because it's your time to shine. We need Kyrie in either points/assists or points/steals/points allowed (defense), but not points alone. That won't cut it.
ensayofr and we're comparing 5.8 to the elite pgs in the league who average 7-8+. And how many of those assists are created instead of last minute lebron lobs? Keep in mind LeBron averages more assists than Kyrie at his own position. 5.8 might be good as a secondary player but be honest. How successful will Boston be if their leasing assist is only 5.8? We can clearly see on the floor how much ball movement is a problem and when LeBron sits they are minus in points. They don't have a LeBron in Boston to facilitate like that so Kyrie has to get his assists up
Draymond over Kyrie? Whats Max smoking... u throw Draymond on the Suns he aint shit. Hes a product of that system. Floor spacing helps him a lot vs other bigs
Or Kyrie can go to Ticketmaster in June and buy the whole team tickets to the NBA Finals because thats as close as he will ever be to leading a team to a championship.
You talking like lebron been on 8 different teams. How do you lose when you have Bosh and Wade? Easy that Mavericks team didnt have better talent than Miami but they had way better team chemistry. Lebron also lose to the Spurs. That team was better. You talking like Dwyane Wade was perfectly healthy the 4 years Lebron was there. Wade has had bad knees since 2010. How do you lose with Love and Kyrie? Once again easy, Kevin Love is overrated and doesn't do much in big moments. Plus the Warriors are just better than those Cavs teams.
Kyrie can be the leader of a team, he just hasn't had the opportunity to do so. He was a kid before LeBron came, now he is a man. Kyrie will show y'all this year...No Doubt!
James Smith lebron was 22 when he took the cavs to the finals i like kyrie i think celtice will be top 3 seed but its going to be wizards vs cavs in the ecf
Explain the record when LBJ is out, explain how every time LBJ leaves the floor the Cavs are +6 per 100 possessions. I think Kyrie a great player I think he prove to better than Wall. But Boston years away from beating Cleveland
Well the cavs were and are still built to play around lebron not with. Pieces don't complement kyrie in Cleveland well. As far as lebron being 22 leading to finals is a terrible comparison. No one would compare lebron to kyrie, steph, Ad, and most players. Kyrie 6'3 lebron 6'8 and one of the greatest athletes so of course he can do things better than most.
What I am saying about Kyrie has nothing to do with LeBron's greatness. I think we all know that Bron is on a different level than anyone else. What I am trying to say is that Kyrie has that dog in him and will lead this team. Will it directly be to championships? Probably not but I wouldn't put it past him at some point in the future, probably when LeBron either retires or goes to the West
Ancient _217 why the fuck are u comparing Lebron to Kyrie at 22 isn't obvious Lebron was ahead of his time ? Not to mention Lebron played teams under 500 to get to the finals when he was 22
Im tired of Stephen A saying "Kyrie and closer" "he can close the game". Nigga Kyrie has to lead his team through the whole game before he can close the game. Which he is not capable of, thats what LeBron was for. All this Kyrie the closer bullshit going come to a end soon...
He wasn't closing in the finals either. Funny how universally he's known as the closer but it was still all Lebron's fault for losing game 3 & 5. Dribbled out the clock for a contested jumper in game 3 and didnt even know he was on the court in game 5. Just kind of funny how people call him the Lebron saver because people choose to forget his low moments while people choose to forget Lebron's clutch moments. Gordon Hayward isn't keeping this team going for the game against elite teams like Lebron could
Swipa the Fox Take my likes, couldn't have said it better my self.
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kyrie trash hahahah same clevelands fans who shitted on bron bron when he left, kyrie won the shipfor cleveland FACT. Lebron got punked by steph curry and draymond FAct, Lebron formed and CHOSE the team in cleveland and it is his fault it's a dumpster fire, but cavs fans and letot fans are so deluded acting liek lebron inherited this trash team his dumbass the one who forced the wigguns trade. Dumbass fans cleveland had 2 1st rounders since lebron jetted neither are there now and lebron is gone soon too great job clowns.
Christian Roberts draymond is better than Kyrie...draymond plays defense passed the ball and some might argue he's the leader of that team without draymond they might not have any rings yet
BigHomie215 Draymond is great but he's been playing as the 3rd or 4th option. Put him on the celtics rn he'd still be great but he'd be 4th option still. I can't really think of a team where'd he be 1st option. A gm will take a 20-25 ppg player to start a franchise anyday over a great defensive player.
Bad Eye Your right there is more to basketball then scoring and that's why i don't think kyrie is a top 5 pg but scoring is a major category. No one is taking andre roberson over Isaiah Thomas. Draymond Green thrives in a beautiful basketball system where he plays his role perfectly. Teams need players like draymond but he's not a starting piece like kyrie. Kyrie can take games over on a consistent basis. Kyrie can take pressure off his teamates in a way draymond cant. Come on now no disrespect to draymond cause i love his game but there's no way im taking him as my franchise player over kyrie.
Kyrie can LEARN to be a leader and a better team player. It's never too late to develop a better mentality. So, if you have the talent and WANT TO be better, you can. I don't tolerate excuses. There's no excuse for success.
Thats like saying kobe could learn to be a better teamate😂😂😂😂 its not happening. He just committed career suicide. I doubt he will ever see the finals again. Fuckin new nba sucks with all these pussy ass drama queens. Str8 bailed out on cleveland and didnt honor hos contract cause his pussy hurt and kobe got all in his head. Kyrie is a douche
The disrespect that Steph Curry gets... naming Anthony Davis before him as if Davis has done anything in 5 years. How long do we give these guys before we realize they haven't gotten anywhere?
Spartan Dawg I say 7 years max. Most great NBA prospects come in at 19-21 don't usually develop till around 25/26 Some even 27 so yeah just go with 7 years if they haven't had a real achievement by then you can call them great but stop all that elite player talk.
Sedrick J Understandable. But to say right now that Anthony Davis can "hold the load" more than Steph Curry - who's been to more finals than KD in less seasons by the way - is absurd.
Exactly man, I fuckin hate Stephen A smith for ignoring Curry. Steph Curry is the best team basketball player in the league. Since the Lebron-Heat era ended, which superstar has more MVP's and CHampionships than Curry?
Me personally is that I don't think Kyrie is THAT guy but that doesn't mean he can't change my mind I personally only believe there's 6 guys in the NBA right now that can lead a team to a championship that's LeBron KD Steph Kawhi Harden And The Brodie that's it while I await AD to join this group because he has the talent but he hasn't been successful enough he needs to prove he equals WINS.
Evil Eye Gaming I think he can russ is just erratic at times but if he finds that control he can lead OKC to a chip the dude has it within him to do it
Leo Quintana how that's facts what makes you think celtics going to the conference finals lost all team chemistry there 3rd option a rookie and kyrie gordan Haywood need to adapt John wall and the wizards have chemistry and there getting better and they play good defense John Wall gonna have mvp type season he's going to second team
+Kyler Holmlund Draymond is a great player.In college they was comparing him to Magic I'm not saying he's Magic.But Draymond is better than what alot of people think.
Kyler Holmlund Take draymond green over kyrie at what?? to start a franchise? You would be making a mistake. If you watch the warriors you would know he just plays off curry and kd
SilkyCrisp6 It's because they are there. It's not his fault he's surrounded by amazing talent. If curry and Durant weren't there he would be doing the same thing except averaging more than 20 ppg.
*SAS* on the *Kyrie* trade back then - "It was *LeBron* who wanted to trade away *Kyrie* that's why this is happening. According to my *anonymous sources!* *SAS* on the *Kyrie* trade now - *"Kyrie"* looks around him and saw everyone got paid except him and this is on top him wanting to lead his own team and test his potential. Give him a chance." *These malicious, biased & irresponsible reporting shouldn't be tolerated.*
" Kyrie is a great iso ball scorer he can't be the best player on a championship team" loll haven't even watched the video and I'm guessing max said that shit
It's gonna be real funny when the Celtics win in 7 against the Cavs in the playoffs this year and even if they don't Lebron will be gone after next season and the Celtics are in the position and have the perfect roster to take over the east for about 6 straight years...keep chirping...I can't wait to see you all eat your words
J Alves you must be a great psychic or something. After tomorrow night's game I will ask you for some numbers...lol! By the way I am a big time Celtics fan, Go big green!
This may be the first time I disagree with Max.. Although I don't think Kyrie is good enough to elevate the Celtics past the Cavs.. I think he went a little overboard with calling all those players better than Kyrie
Wall? The wizards didn't beat them last year. And that was when IT was guarding john wall. And last year the Celtics and rockets split their season series. Rockets won by 1 point and the Celtics won by 11.
Ester indi exactly, the second best player he's EVER played with (outside of boogie who he played 12 games with) was an injury prone jrue holiday who was/is a shadow of himself when he was on the Sixers, and the pelicans are just injury prone, they had 26 players play for them at some point this year. That's insane. (Celtics, jazz and clippers had 15, spurs had 16, warriors had 17 just for some reference) And people talk about Kyrie's upside? AD is younger than kyrie and is already almost a top 5 player. I think giving him a legitimate superstar, the best center in the league and an arguable top 10 player in demarcus cousins who's ALSO a terrific passer on the low block will spell a lot of success for the pelicans (rondo's a solid pickup too) I have pelicans making the 8 seed this year actually, maybe win a game or 2 against the warriors because the size of AD and Boogie will be a lot to handle
The Cavs are gonna be Kyrie's "Bad Boy" Pistons. Cavs either gotta get old first, or Celtics better land Anthony Davis! Before either of the two happen, Celtics are just gonna have to sit and watch their plants grow slowly.
Top 5 Prodigy #4-3NeverForget lol, what you smoking. Kyrie can't lead a team for 2 seconds and I'm an objective fan. He is losing player without LeBron on the court. There are snippets of this happening all the time. Just look at game 3 in the finals this year, last 2 mins of the first quarter, kd and LeBron rested, just look at what happened and tell me he has the potential to lead a team, who by the way he has no knowledge or experience of. Kyrie has got a long way to go before he solidify his status and him deserving to be in the playoffs.
kasimk4 First off how can kyrie lead a team that's built around LeBron? He plays a sg position in the cavs. Lmfaoo and how u talk about leading and "deserving" playoffs when he's about to bring the Celtics to the playoffs EASILY. Thats funny. And you made your point like kyrie can't progress in 2 years. Lebron will be 35 by 2019.
kasimk4 David Griffin even emphasizes that the coaching staff never worried or cared about games "without" bron. So wtf is kyrie supposed to Do? Change the whole culture in a night? Just wait til he plays under a coach like brad Stevens. Once he brings his team to the playoffs (which he will easily), there shouldn't be any convo with Irving not being able to lead
There's no question, Kyrie is the best guard in the NBA! Boston made the great move, not only adding two great players, Irving and Hayward, but forming a team of superstars will pave the way for more superstar players to join the team. Look at the warriors blue print.
Fireblade1411 fall because they won 73 games most in NBA history had the first unanimous MVP steph curry and they was up 3-1 in the finals no team has ever lost in the NBA after being up 3-1 until 2016 golden state blow a 3-1 lead after all their success they took the most humiliating loss in NBA finals history Simple
4-23 for a team not built and tailored to Kyrie skill set but Lebron skill set. Kyrie is a offensive genius a team centered around him will have great defenders who can rebound and hit open shots. Lebrons sculpted team consists of spot up shooters who get open off uncontested 3's when defenders crash in with help defense because BRON is so powerful.
kyrie cant be the best player on a championship team . he has issues stepping aside to the best player on the planet, do you think he'll be willing to include GORDON HAYWARD in crunch time situations? lol his selfishness will do well in the regular season, but kill them in the playoffs.
exactly, sure he hit the biggest shot in Cav's history, but other than that, what has he really done in crunch time against the warriors? He was non existent in the 4th of game 5 and had one of the worst possessions I've ever seen in game 3 where he dribbled out the clock just to take a terrible shot
Swipa the Fox right lol people who dont get basketball are making this all about lebron. clutch and selfish are two different things lol the man is clutch, that shot was fucking insane, but that iso ball bullshit will get you double teamed and lead to a turnover. boston doesnt have the shooters to bail out kyrie when he gets trapped and is forced to make a bad pass/shot, and a great team will expose that. the playoffs will be hectic for them
Leo Quintana Klay is the best SG in the NBA. Maybe you can argue Jimmy Butler but imo it's one of those two. Both play all NBA offense and 1st team all defense. Kyrie isn't a better player then both of them. Might be more clutch but better player? Ha that's laughable
Kyrie will beat the Lavs in 6 and then go on to lose to his father Curry in the finals in 5, remember this comment. Just leave my W in the comments below.
Kyrie can score better than draymond, kyrie can handle better than draymond. On the other hand, defense, playmaking, rebounding, IQ on both ends of the floor, ability to play off ball, leadership, selflessness, (also has the ability to score when the moment calls for it, dropping 32 in a game 7 of the finals when Steph was nowhere to be found) even durability, if we're not talking about dribbling or scoring, then it goes to draymond, that's why he's the better player. Kyrie is a phenomenal one on one scorer, but he's far too one dimensional to be considered a top 15 player, draymond does literally everything for the warriors, not hyperbole, everything on the basketball court that you can do draymond does on a nightly basis besides drop 20+, which he's proven he can do if need be
Stephen A, Steph carried the Warriors on offense for the past 4 of 5 seasons. He makes his teammates better, and he's unselfish as well. It's up there with them Top 2 in the game
If I'm Boston and wanna compete hard this season, I'm calling nyk and trading a few of those pics for melo. That adds hella points, another option, veteran experience, and they get him without giving up any more players
Agree with Stephen: Kyrie might have made a smart move. Totally agree with Max. Not sure Kyrie can carry a team. Warriors have the best team playing spirit in the NBA. Max is so articulate and eloquent... Such a pleasure to listen to. First take is a great show.
Hayward and Kyrie is a good start but until Boston rebuilds with the right supporting pieces around them they will not control the East or be a championship contender. Hayward and Kyrie would be good for a combined 50 points a game but what depth do they really have to make up the other 50-70 points on a consistent basis. A revamped team will take time to get back up to playing at a high level.
I hate it when Max says kyrie don't win without LeBron. You do realize kyrie loses when lebron sits out, because Lebron almost always sits out on road back-to-back games, which are known for being the most difficult to win. Plus, the team is built around bron not kyrie. So not only is kyrie playing away games while he's tired, he's trying to carry a team that's built for someone else. Come on Max.
Let me get this straight. LeBron started off 18-19 with Kevin Love... then mozgov, shumpert and Jr Smith got added and LeBron has an entire different team... yet LeBron took Kyries team to the finals? He couldn't even get past .500 with Kyries team adding himself and Kevin Love with it.
Max has good points, but he forgot one. Vital. Thing. Coach, Brad Stevens. Brad brings out the best in his players and I have no doubt he can drag something special out of Kyrie. Bring out his inner leader. Perhaps make Kyrie work on defense (Kyrie has good potential as a defender.) and the truth is, I think Kyrie could be a top 10 or top 5 player in the next two years with the guidance of Brad Stevens.
Its annoying when people say Kyrie can't lead a team or won't be able to. Let the man try first. Try playing next to LeBron, there is no system its just LeBron's team. Kyrie was like 21 with a bad team before Lebron came to Cleveland so that argument doesn't hold up well either. He's been through a lot of experience now. He's never had the chance to truly lead a team built for him, now this is his chance.
The short answer is NO. The Celtics need some time to build chemistry & for Brown + Tatum to mature & improve their games to be a legit threat to Cleveland. Right now the Cavs are still the favorites! What people keep forgetting though is that Brad Stevens turned a 5'9 PG spark-plug role player into an All-Star franchise player. If he could do that with IT4, imagine what he can do with a 25-year-old top-5 PG who's already had multiple 40 point Finals games, 3+ All-Star appearances and an All-Star MVP!
It seems that if SAS is in a good mood, Max doesn't go out of his way to bash anyone. If SAS is in a bad mood & goes after Max, he will bash others, like he just did to Kyrie
How dare SAS mention AD before Curry and Westbrook in carrying a team... AD never been to the playoffs... Curry has been to the finals twice without KD
Here's how: He's going to invite them over his house to play 2K franchise mode on rookie.
Exactly!
Draymond over Kyrie is complete and utter foolishness on Max's part
CP3 turned down a $200+ million deal, and went to try and compete. That I respect.
I don't get max sometimes one minute he loves kyrie next minute he would take draymond on his team then kyrie I mean damn😂
Spade Reactions Liking someone and being objective are not mutually exclusive.
Luke Nutkicker yeah but Green is a good player, nothing more.
ermocrate but green is definelty more of an impactful player on both sides than Kyrie and is also the vocal leader of the warriors
GODMudiay no he's not
Draymond can defend any positions, unselfish by looking for the pass first. Kyrie is not a good defender , looks to score first, mainly in iso.
Why do people sleep on Gordon Hayward?
o Ballislife o Why is hell hot?
Why is water wet?
Why is Hayward injury prone?
I should probably rephrase my question into a statement lol. Hayward is being completely overlooked in this Kyrie Irving drama.
Hell is hot because it is filled with lava and devils.
Water is wet cuz its a liquid.
Hayward is not injury prone.
He a good player but not a great player period.
o Ballislife o He's good, but golden state, Cavs, spurs and literally every team on the west bro.
There is going to be massive adjustment period that could take all season to be effective. Will they make conference finals, I hope not cuz they don't deserve it. You have to start from scratch on a trash ass team and work your way up.
They most certainly will not win the conference finals if they get there. I expect lebum to sweep them just cuz I don't like the audacity of Kyrie wanting his own team and to lead the team when he can't even lead for 2 seconds without LeBron.
Also, i wanna see lebum get his ass whooped at the finals again as gsw got better. I don't know if people realise but gsw just got nick young and omri cassipi. Fuck me this gsw team is literally the greatest team ever.
Gordon Hayward along with Kyrie seems great, but it is not enough to overcome the east. I don't expect them to be any good either with the Kyrie plays. Their could drop to the 2nd to 4th seed. Just saying
Hayward is just as good as Jimmy Butler and Paul George. He's clutch and his stats per 100 possessions are even with both.
Max: He's not as good as Steph Curry.
Highly debatable.
Nothing to debate there. Kyrie is not in Steph's league.
Bruce Wayne both averaged 25 ppg both averaged 5 almost 6 assists and both were completely garbage without 2 or more all stars on their team and both won 1 championship against each other Kyrie is DEFINITELY more clutch and should be 1-1 but curry needed Durant to carry him to the finals and he had 1 near triple double game so don’t bring up that bullshit becuase 2 games later he dropped 14 points 😂😂
ohmahgoodness Max threw a bomb out with the Chauncey comparison. That was straight facts right there Max Kellerman. In reality, a lot of the non top 15 NBA players today could easily be top 20 players if they played the game 2-way and had a mature mindset. The whole debate on whether Kyrie has more value than IT wouldn't even be a debate if Kyrie played defense. He has made it to the top of an NBA championship and is still looking for respect not 100% due to the fact that he is playing alongside LeBron, but it is because he is only an offensive threat and has the capability of playing defense, but just doesn't play. To this day, every legendary duo was always a 1a-1b pairing; MJ/Pippen, Kobe/Shaq, Magic/Kareem, Bird/McHale. Sure Mj, Shaq, Kareem and Bird were known to most as the man on the team, but Pippen, Kobe, McHale and Magic were never known as little brothers to them because they complimented each other and what one lacked, the other compensated. LeBron can score, pass and defend when he needs to. Kyrie isn't offering any more than 28ppg and wonders why he doesn't get more respect. Come on Kyrie, prove us all wrong next year because it's your time to shine. We need Kyrie in either points/assists or points/steals/points allowed (defense), but not points alone. That won't cut it.
Kim Stuart I love this comment. Great insight.
Beautiful comment.
ensayofr and we're comparing 5.8 to the elite pgs in the league who average 7-8+. And how many of those assists are created instead of last minute lebron lobs? Keep in mind LeBron averages more assists than Kyrie at his own position. 5.8 might be good as a secondary player but be honest. How successful will Boston be if their leasing assist is only 5.8? We can clearly see on the floor how much ball movement is a problem and when LeBron sits they are minus in points. They don't have a LeBron in Boston to facilitate like that so Kyrie has to get his assists up
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Max been dogging my Kyrie since my BOY Kyrie talked to him like he was stupid. Max still in his feelings.LMAO
Max kellerman is getting better on first take foreal .....
Draymond over Kyrie? Whats Max smoking... u throw Draymond on the Suns he aint shit. Hes a product of that system. Floor spacing helps him a lot vs other bigs
Easy have the Warriors, Cavaliers, Spurs, and Rockets skip a season.
OKC would break Boston Hayward can't guard PG Kyrie can't guard Westbrook Simple
Johnny Kilroy Nigga fuck You mean Westbrook can't guard Kyrie either.🤷🏾♂️😭. Don't disrespect Kyrie.💯
Johnny Kilroy Westbrook won't do 💩
Don't sleep on OKC
DbreezyGaming lmaoo add the thunder and the Timberwolves. I don't see celtics beating either team in a 7 game series
Or Kyrie can go to Ticketmaster in June and buy the whole team tickets to the NBA Finals because thats as close as he will ever be to leading a team to a championship.
tony tonyt not true. 👉🚪
Leo Quintana is true. He makes money. And lebron will sweep them
LMFAOOOOOOOOO
Maaaaaajor W
You talking like lebron been on 8 different teams. How do you lose when you have Bosh and Wade? Easy that Mavericks team didnt have better talent than Miami but they had way better team chemistry. Lebron also lose to the Spurs. That team was better. You talking like Dwyane Wade was perfectly healthy the 4 years Lebron was there. Wade has had bad knees since 2010. How do you lose with Love and Kyrie? Once again easy, Kevin Love is overrated and doesn't do much in big moments. Plus the Warriors are just better than those Cavs teams.
Max is butt hurt about Kyrie
Kyrie can be the leader of a team, he just hasn't had the opportunity to do so. He was a kid before LeBron came, now he is a man. Kyrie will show y'all this year...No Doubt!
James Smith lebron was 22 when he took the cavs to the finals i like kyrie i think celtice will be top 3 seed but its going to be wizards vs cavs in the ecf
Explain the record when LBJ is out, explain how every time LBJ leaves the floor the Cavs are +6 per 100 possessions. I think Kyrie a great player I think he prove to better than Wall. But Boston years away from beating Cleveland
Well the cavs were and are still built to play around lebron not with. Pieces don't complement kyrie in Cleveland well. As far as lebron being 22 leading to finals is a terrible comparison. No one would compare lebron to kyrie, steph, Ad, and most players. Kyrie 6'3 lebron 6'8 and one of the greatest athletes so of course he can do things better than most.
What I am saying about Kyrie has nothing to do with LeBron's greatness. I think we all know that Bron is on a different level than anyone else. What I am trying to say is that Kyrie has that dog in him and will lead this team. Will it directly be to championships? Probably not but I wouldn't put it past him at some point in the future, probably when LeBron either retires or goes to the West
Ancient _217 why the fuck are u comparing Lebron to Kyrie at 22 isn't obvious Lebron was ahead of his time ? Not to mention Lebron played teams under 500 to get to the finals when he was 22
What would it take? It's gonna take CALVIN CAMBRIDGE to win the Finals.
Sam M a big 3 of Calvins
Sam M its gonna take the hippo to win the finals
Max wtf are u talkin about bro 😂😂
Im tired of Stephen A saying "Kyrie and closer" "he can close the game".
Nigga Kyrie has to lead his team through the whole game before he can close the game. Which he is not capable of, thats what LeBron was for. All this Kyrie the closer bullshit going come to a end soon...
He wasn't closing in the finals either. Funny how universally he's known as the closer but it was still all Lebron's fault for losing game 3 & 5. Dribbled out the clock for a contested jumper in game 3 and didnt even know he was on the court in game 5. Just kind of funny how people call him the Lebron saver because people choose to forget his low moments while people choose to forget Lebron's clutch moments. Gordon Hayward isn't keeping this team going for the game against elite teams like Lebron could
Swipa the Fox preach
Baby Goat you right it is gonna come to an end bcuz it's gonna be LeBron passing to Isiah to be the closer now lol
Swipa the Fox
Take my likes, couldn't have said it better my self.
kyrie trash hahahah same clevelands fans who shitted on bron bron when he left, kyrie won the shipfor cleveland FACT. Lebron got punked by steph curry and draymond FAct, Lebron formed and CHOSE the team in cleveland and it is his fault it's a dumpster fire, but cavs fans and letot fans are so deluded acting liek lebron inherited this trash team his dumbass the one who forced the wigguns trade. Dumbass fans cleveland had 2 1st rounders since lebron jetted neither are there now and lebron is gone soon too great job clowns.
Wow, after hearing this interview I see what Kyrie clap back at Max.
Max lost me when said Draymond better than Kyrie 🤦🏽♂️
Christian Roberts draymond is better than Kyrie...draymond plays defense passed the ball and some might argue he's the leader of that team without draymond they might not have any rings yet
BigHomie215 Draymond is great but he's been playing as the 3rd or 4th option. Put him on the celtics rn he'd still be great but he'd be 4th option still. I can't really think of a team where'd he be 1st option. A gm will take a 20-25 ppg player to start a franchise anyday over a great defensive player.
BigHomie215 Has notHing to do witH being better or not stfu Draymond is 🚮 compared to Kyrie
Bad Eye Your right there is more to basketball then scoring and that's why i don't think kyrie is a top 5 pg but scoring is a major category. No one is taking andre roberson over Isaiah Thomas. Draymond Green thrives in a beautiful basketball system where he plays his role perfectly. Teams need players like draymond but he's not a starting piece like kyrie. Kyrie can take games over on a consistent basis. Kyrie can take pressure off his teamates in a way draymond cant. Come on now no disrespect to draymond cause i love his game but there's no way im taking him as my franchise player over kyrie.
Bad Eye Draymond green averages 10 points, he's not an offensive threat at all. He gets carried by kd, curry and klay
Everyone's taking short term. this season
Smith makes a good point toward the end.
Kyrie 25.. he hasn't peaked yet
Kyrie can LEARN to be a leader and a better team player. It's never too late to develop a better mentality. So, if you have the talent and WANT TO be better, you can.
I don't tolerate excuses.
There's no excuse for success.
Karesa Warner Exactly 😒
Thats like saying kobe could learn to be a better teamate😂😂😂😂 its not happening. He just committed career suicide. I doubt he will ever see the finals again. Fuckin new nba sucks with all these pussy ass drama queens. Str8 bailed out on cleveland and didnt honor hos contract cause his pussy hurt and kobe got all in his head. Kyrie is a douche
Guess what he did 😎
Am i the only one that been clicking on kyrie irving videos to day and the ad says the earth is not flat?😂😂😂
The disrespect that Steph Curry gets... naming Anthony Davis before him as if Davis has done anything in 5 years. How long do we give these guys before we realize they haven't gotten anywhere?
Spartan Dawg I say 7 years max. Most great NBA prospects come in at 19-21 don't usually develop till around 25/26 Some even 27 so yeah just go with 7 years if they haven't had a real achievement by then you can call them great but stop all that elite player talk.
Sedrick J Understandable. But to say right now that Anthony Davis can "hold the load" more than Steph Curry - who's been to more finals than KD in less seasons by the way - is absurd.
AD and his pelicans have been constantly abused by Steph Curry almost non-stop since 2012
Exactly man, I fuckin hate Stephen A smith for ignoring Curry. Steph Curry is the best team basketball player in the league. Since the Lebron-Heat era ended, which superstar has more MVP's and CHampionships than Curry?
That was so disrespectful.
Max you are smoking DOPE, my friend to say you would take Draymond Green over Kyrie and that S. Curry is better than Kyrie... "WHAT"....😎🏀
Easy celtics trade kyrie for lebron
J-Dog Dominguez w😹
J-Dog Dominguez Stoooop!!
Trade that map of flat earth for a globe!
That would be hilarious 😂
Ro G lol
Bro Max is so delusional...wtf with that Billups analogy 😂😂😂
Me personally is that I don't think Kyrie is THAT guy but that doesn't mean he can't change my mind I personally only believe there's 6 guys in the NBA right now that can lead a team to a championship that's LeBron KD Steph Kawhi Harden And The Brodie that's it while I await AD to join this group because he has the talent but he hasn't been successful enough he needs to prove he equals WINS.
Joe James Westbrook can't lead a team to the finals. He's a first round exit and second round exit at best
Evil Eye Gaming I think he can russ is just erratic at times but if he finds that control he can lead OKC to a chip the dude has it within him to do it
Joe James why does everybody mention Davis and not Cousins? Like Boogie doesn't average the same numbers and is no scrub on defense.
Evil Eye Gaming are you crazy? Lmao
NeNo Brown Boogie isn't even 10 plus he has attitude problem intangibles matter I don't see him as that guy
Tatum, Brown, Hordford , Hayword, and Irving =W
It's Kind Of Funny How All You CAV Fans In The Comments Below (Bandwagon) Act Like Kyrie Isn't Elite Anymore Just Because He Left You're Sorry Team! 😂
Devin Davila I think he'll lead the league in scoring but celtics won't make the conference finals
Leo Quintana how that's facts what makes you think celtics going to the conference finals lost all team chemistry there 3rd option a rookie and kyrie gordan Haywood need to adapt John wall and the wizards have chemistry and there getting better and they play good defense John Wall gonna have mvp type season he's going to second team
Ancient _217 fax lol kyrie couldn't even carry the old cavs team to the playoffs much less
Max really hate kyrie 😂
Max had me until he said he'd take draymond over kyrie! Lmao foh....shoulda quit while he was ahead...
you tube dummy control division Draymond is a system role player. Kyrie is obviously better easily
SilkyCrisp6 System player? System players don't win DPOY, they don't "USUALLY" make all-star rosters, I would easily take Draymond over Kyrie any day.
+Kyler Holmlund Draymond is a great player.In college they was comparing him to Magic I'm not saying he's Magic.But Draymond is better than what alot of people think.
Kyler Holmlund Take draymond green over kyrie at what?? to start a franchise? You would be making a mistake. If you watch the warriors you would know he just plays off curry and kd
SilkyCrisp6 It's because they are there. It's not his fault he's surrounded by amazing talent. If curry and Durant weren't there he would be doing the same thing except averaging more than 20 ppg.
*SAS* on the *Kyrie* trade back then - "It was *LeBron* who wanted to trade away *Kyrie* that's why this is happening. According to my *anonymous sources!*
*SAS* on the *Kyrie* trade now - *"Kyrie"* looks around him and saw everyone got paid except him and this is on top him wanting to lead his own team and test his potential. Give him a chance."
*These malicious, biased & irresponsible reporting shouldn't be tolerated.*
The simple answer is... he's not. The Cavs going to the championship.
Baby Goat I needed that laugh, bro.
Frank Henry hey, I needed one too, thanks.
Nice video!
"How can Kyrie lead BOS to a title?"
By injuring Draymond Green and KD and Lebron James
Mike Evans L
Max your off bro
" Kyrie is a great iso ball scorer he can't be the best player on a championship team" loll haven't even watched the video and I'm guessing max said that shit
BloodGod Amon correct
Max Kellerman just spoke some BIG facts about golden state and Kevin durant he said nothing but the truth I love it kellerman
It's gonna be real funny when the Celtics win in 7 against the Cavs in the playoffs this year and even if they don't Lebron will be gone after next season and the Celtics are in the position and have the perfect roster to take over the east for about 6 straight years...keep chirping...I can't wait to see you all eat your words
J Alves you must be a great psychic or something. After tomorrow night's game I will ask you for some numbers...lol! By the way I am a big time Celtics fan, Go big green!
Max would take Draymond over Kyrie? Fucking glad he's not a NBA GM......... #wtf
This may be the first time I disagree with Max.. Although I don't think Kyrie is good enough to elevate the Celtics past the Cavs.. I think he went a little overboard with calling all those players better than Kyrie
Clutch_Luck way overboard
Well what's your opinion now?
Did anyone else get the ad saying "The world is not flat"?
If Lebron, Curry, Durant, Wall, Kawhi, Harden and CP3 all get injured. Even then its questionable.
Edit: Yeah, the Thunder would still beat them lol
Simple
Wall? The wizards didn't beat them last year. And that was when IT was guarding john wall. And last year the Celtics and rockets split their season series. Rockets won by 1 point and the Celtics won by 11.
the celtics will be worse
Worse? They would be worse if they still held on to IT
This trade was a long term plan, they will be worse immediately
-grabs popcorn and reads comments-
The Wizards will beat both the Cavs and Celtics, you heard it here first.
stop L
hector cervantes 😂😂😂wtf😕
hector cervantes maybe celtics not cavs
Stop it man!!!
No
Max is always downing kyrie 💯but I bet kyrie is gonna win the championship 💯💪🏽
Anthony Davis?? Carrying what load?😂😂😂
Ike Otuonye he can thats his point
Ike Otuonye Put the right pieces around AD and you have a championship contender.
And i'm not even a fan of his.
Carrying some garbage shit
Ester indi exactly, the second best player he's EVER played with (outside of boogie who he played 12 games with) was an injury prone jrue holiday who was/is a shadow of himself when he was on the Sixers, and the pelicans are just injury prone, they had 26 players play for them at some point this year. That's insane. (Celtics, jazz and clippers had 15, spurs had 16, warriors had 17 just for some reference) And people talk about Kyrie's upside? AD is younger than kyrie and is already almost a top 5 player. I think giving him a legitimate superstar, the best center in the league and an arguable top 10 player in demarcus cousins who's ALSO a terrific passer on the low block will spell a lot of success for the pelicans (rondo's a solid pickup too) I have pelicans making the 8 seed this year actually, maybe win a game or 2 against the warriors because the size of AD and Boogie will be a lot to handle
The ad before this video began with the words "the world is not flat." I'm 100% convinced RUclips did that on purpose to troll Kyrie.
The Cavs are gonna be Kyrie's "Bad Boy" Pistons. Cavs either gotta get old first, or Celtics better land Anthony Davis! Before either of the two happen, Celtics are just gonna have to sit and watch their plants grow slowly.
Romero Clay I believe the Celtics have a good chance of beating cavs in 2019 if LeBron decides to stay
Top 5 Prodigy #4-3NeverForget AD wouldn't leave his hometown.
Top 5 Prodigy #4-3NeverForget lol, what you smoking. Kyrie can't lead a team for 2 seconds and I'm an objective fan. He is losing player without LeBron on the court. There are snippets of this happening all the time. Just look at game 3 in the finals this year, last 2 mins of the first quarter, kd and LeBron rested, just look at what happened and tell me he has the potential to lead a team, who by the way he has no knowledge or experience of.
Kyrie has got a long way to go before he solidify his status and him deserving to be in the playoffs.
kasimk4 First off how can kyrie lead a team that's built around LeBron? He plays a sg position in the cavs. Lmfaoo and how u talk about leading and "deserving" playoffs when he's about to bring the Celtics to the playoffs EASILY. Thats funny. And you made your point like kyrie can't progress in 2 years. Lebron will be 35 by 2019.
kasimk4 David Griffin even emphasizes that the coaching staff never worried or cared about games "without" bron. So wtf is kyrie supposed to Do? Change the whole culture in a night? Just wait til he plays under a coach like brad Stevens. Once he brings his team to the playoffs (which he will easily), there shouldn't be any convo with Irving not being able to lead
He can do that, if Boston signs Cousins, George, Durant and Westbrook.
anthony davis won no playoff games smith
Lorenzo Williams He took em there doe, and played great all 4 games. That was the year Warriors won the Championship
Lloyd Hardy and there defensive point guard got injured
that true davis did take them there but lebron took a 07 cavs to the finals by himself leo and kd are finals mvp is there really a comparison
Lloyd Hardy was that the season where Durant Westbrook and Ibaka got injured?
well the age anthony is right now jordan already been to the second round of playoffs
There's no question, Kyrie is the best guard in the NBA! Boston made the great move, not only adding two great players, Irving and Hayward, but forming a team of superstars will pave the way for more superstar players to join the team. Look at the warriors blue print.
Damn Max can u be a little more respectful to Kyrie?! That was nonstop criticism and nothing positive 😂
R. Kurita he hurt because he eats Lebron ass
Did Max really just say that Draymond was better than Kyrie??? LOL.
Easy...he can't!! 😂😂💯
Larriors Blew a 3-1 Lead man you people obsessed with the finals are a joke...L this L that. L for lameass.
Until lebron retires lmao
Fireblade1411 fall because they won 73 games most in NBA history had the first unanimous MVP steph curry and they was up 3-1 in the finals no team has ever lost in the NBA after being up 3-1 until 2016 golden state blow a 3-1 lead after all their success they took the most humiliating loss in NBA finals history Simple
Johnny Kilroy at least they had a lead lol
lavs fans are salty😂😂
I never agree with Max but totally agree with him today
4-23 when LeBron sits. Leader? Ha
W
I bet the " he was young " people dont wanna read this lol
4-23 for a team not built and tailored to Kyrie skill set but Lebron skill set. Kyrie is a offensive genius a team centered around him will have great defenders who can rebound and hit open shots. Lebrons sculpted team consists of spot up shooters who get open off uncontested 3's when defenders crash in with help defense because BRON is so powerful.
Cameron Nelson WHAT NO ONE REALIZES☝🏾️☝🏾☝🏾
you tube dummy control division couldnt agree more lol
Max ain't have to flame Kyrie like that. "In fact... in fact... in FACT"-- lmfaoo
kyrie cant be the best player on a championship team . he has issues stepping aside to the best player on the planet, do you think he'll be willing to include GORDON HAYWARD in crunch time situations? lol his selfishness will do well in the regular season, but kill them in the playoffs.
exactly, sure he hit the biggest shot in Cav's history, but other than that, what has he really done in crunch time against the warriors? He was non existent in the 4th of game 5 and had one of the worst possessions I've ever seen in game 3 where he dribbled out the clock just to take a terrible shot
Swipa the Fox right lol people who dont get basketball are making this all about lebron. clutch and selfish are two different things lol the man is clutch, that shot was fucking insane, but that iso ball bullshit will get you double teamed and lead to a turnover. boston doesnt have the shooters to bail out kyrie when he gets trapped and is forced to make a bad pass/shot, and a great team will expose that. the playoffs will be hectic for them
Yea one time Love was about to break the first quarter scoring record and Kyrie took the shot in the final possession lol
Dennis Walker thank you
Dennis Walker facts
Spoilers he doesn’t
Canelo Vs GGG
Who You got????
Guest One GGG by stoppage in the 10th.
GGG round 11
Guest One GGG
GGG i really just hope its a good fight and they really go at each other
Guest One GGG in 5
So we're just going to ignore the fact that Max just said he'd take Draymond over Kyrie?
Easy..trade for Lavar Ball
Also, why people keep bringing up anthony davis when mentioning elite players? Dude always injured.
Kyrie was a leader in USA team c'mon Max
That's like me being a leader of my high school varsity team playing against a bunch of freshman squads LOL
Max is nuts saying he'd take Draymond over Kyrie
I'll easily take Klay over Kyrie
William Chae preach
William Chae you're smoking good crack
now thats a good debate...cuz idk who id take?
Leo Quintana Klay is the best SG in the NBA. Maybe you can argue Jimmy Butler but imo it's one of those two. Both play all NBA offense and 1st team all defense. Kyrie isn't a better player then both of them. Might be more clutch but better player? Ha that's laughable
lmao you sir must see a doctor
Did max jus say he wanted draymond green over Kyrie? Laughable
Kyrie will beat the Lavs in 6 and then go on to lose to his father Curry in the finals in 5, remember this comment. Just leave my W in the comments below.
Super Sayian Curry L
Super Sayian Curry- good theory but your screen name alone is why you get the L!
Eastwood Uzumaki L 2 rings > 1
Evil Eye Gaming-lol, what?
W
Let's keep it real. Kyrie leading the Cavs couldn't even win a regular season game against a scrub team when Lebron didn't play.
Kyrie > draymond easy
mr wong not on defense
mr wong I disagree
Tion Davis Judging by your comment and profile picture, you most definitely are ignorant to basketball.
micheal durant 9ppg
Kyrie can score better than draymond, kyrie can handle better than draymond. On the other hand, defense, playmaking, rebounding, IQ on both ends of the floor, ability to play off ball, leadership, selflessness, (also has the ability to score when the moment calls for it, dropping 32 in a game 7 of the finals when Steph was nowhere to be found) even durability, if we're not talking about dribbling or scoring, then it goes to draymond, that's why he's the better player. Kyrie is a phenomenal one on one scorer, but he's far too one dimensional to be considered a top 15 player, draymond does literally everything for the warriors, not hyperbole, everything on the basketball court that you can do draymond does on a nightly basis besides drop 20+, which he's proven he can do if need be
Stephen A, Steph carried the Warriors on offense for the past 4 of 5 seasons. He makes his teammates better, and he's unselfish as well. It's up there with them Top 2 in the game
who else saw the "the world is not flat" ad 😂😂😂😂 *cough* kyrie
I'm still pissed the Pistons traded Morris instead of Drummond
If I'm Boston and wanna compete hard this season, I'm calling nyk and trading a few of those pics for melo. That adds hella points, another option, veteran experience, and they get him without giving up any more players
We should just all listen to stephen A
Max is blushing the way he talks about LeBron lol
His team vs lebron will be crazy. But just still unbelieveable
Why is every underestimating Hayward? Dude really can play!
I think Kyrie made the right decision on leaving the Cavs. I respect him a lot more for taking such a huge decision. I wish him the best.
Agree with Stephen: Kyrie might have made a smart move.
Totally agree with Max. Not sure Kyrie can carry a team. Warriors have the best team playing spirit in the NBA. Max is so articulate and eloquent... Such a pleasure to listen to. First take is a great show.
I wish the cavs could get giannis antentokounmpo and boogie, that would be dope
Hayward and Kyrie is a good start but until Boston rebuilds with the right supporting pieces around them they will not control the East or be a championship contender. Hayward and Kyrie would be good for a combined 50 points a game but what depth do they really have to make up the other 50-70 points on a consistent basis. A revamped team will take time to get back up to playing at a high level.
I hate it when Max says kyrie don't win without LeBron.
You do realize kyrie loses when lebron sits out, because Lebron almost always sits out on road back-to-back games, which are known for being the most difficult to win.
Plus, the team is built around bron not kyrie.
So not only is kyrie playing away games while he's tired, he's trying to carry a team that's built for someone else. Come on Max.
MAX was dropping HEAT lmaaoao all FACTS
This man said Anthony Davis can carry a team single handedly... AD has never been past the first round of the playoffs..
Simple... put a hit out on Kevin Durant,lebron James, Stephen Curry, Kawhi Leonard....am I forgetting anybody????
I like Kyrie but I really can't see him being the leader of this group...Horford seems to be the guy with the most leadership skills on the roster.
Could you imagine how great the C's would be if KD went there instead of GS?
Let me get this straight. LeBron started off 18-19 with Kevin Love... then mozgov, shumpert and Jr Smith got added and LeBron has an entire different team... yet LeBron took Kyries team to the finals? He couldn't even get past .500 with Kyries team adding himself and Kevin Love with it.
Max is 100% correct
Max has good points, but he forgot one. Vital. Thing.
Coach, Brad Stevens.
Brad brings out the best in his players and I have no doubt he can drag something special out of Kyrie. Bring out his inner leader. Perhaps make Kyrie work on defense (Kyrie has good potential as a defender.) and the truth is, I think Kyrie could be a top 10 or top 5 player in the next two years with the guidance of Brad Stevens.
Its annoying when people say Kyrie can't lead a team or won't be able to. Let the man try first. Try playing next to LeBron, there is no system its just LeBron's team. Kyrie was like 21 with a bad team before Lebron came to Cleveland so that argument doesn't hold up well either. He's been through a lot of experience now. He's never had the chance to truly lead a team built for him, now this is his chance.
The short answer is NO. The Celtics need some time to build chemistry & for Brown + Tatum to mature & improve their games to be a legit threat to Cleveland. Right now the Cavs are still the favorites! What people keep forgetting though is that Brad Stevens turned a 5'9 PG spark-plug role player into an All-Star franchise player. If he could do that with IT4, imagine what he can do with a 25-year-old top-5 PG who's already had multiple 40 point Finals games, 3+ All-Star appearances and an All-Star MVP!
It seems that if SAS is in a good mood, Max doesn't go out of his way to bash anyone. If SAS is in a bad mood & goes after Max, he will bash others, like he just did to Kyrie
Kyrie needs to be a better defender OR a better playmaker to be a top teir nba player
If things aren't going too good in Boston will Kyrie not talk to his teammates and coaches for a couple of days again?? Smh some leader he is🤷🏾♂️
Draymon G and Clay T over Kyrie? Max lost all credibility there.
How dare SAS mention AD before Curry and Westbrook in carrying a team... AD never been to the playoffs... Curry has been to the finals twice without KD
This man said he would take draymond over Kyrie