Man! Wild! Show us all the prep for this cut! Math, graphs, dialogue with the companies. It's awesome to see but it'd be cool to see all the stuff leading up to this! INSANE!
Stuff like this is why I got into, and enjoy, machining so much. Sadly, everywhere I've been has machines that are at least 15 years old with little to no maintenance procedures in place (run it til it breaks then keep going). It's getting to the point where it just isn't fun anymore. I still love machining though.
Aluminum is so satisfying to mill with those high rake angle face mills. We have some of the Sandvik cutters and you can go hard, fast and deep into non ferrous materials.
That was nice, I've only seen this on newer Makino 5 axis. Can we get an updated shop tour soon? I'd like to see how you guys really roll after all these years of hard-core machining.
@@barrysetzer sweet I hope you guys can make it happen, titans a G but my money would be on you Barry. I've find when guys spend more time in the office they lose some of the magic on the floor.
Awesome Could you make a video on how you keep parts scratch and dent free and how you deburr parts during production to keep everything perfect? We really struggle in our small shop trying to keep everything nice particularly when making small batches of things
Depends on what the customer wants to pay for. Some of them dont really care they just dont want burrs so manually filing/deburring is good enough. Some companies only wants chamfers done by CNC - which is an extra cost as some chamfers can be reaaaaaaaaally tricky do to. Also, get yourselves a pallet with sheets of cardboard and use those as scratchproof surfaces when handling parts. Its cheap and effective.
@@dadtdm5646 maybe, but in Aluminium HP is rarely a problem. Having to limit feed on a long tool because the tool squarks like a choked chicken because of tiny corner rad is a problem. Going to an insert with larger rad and then feeding at twice the feed even if it runs a higher spindle speed is fine by me.
@@damientoomey1194 - They aren't running a long tool, they're going for max MRR. When going for maximum MRR, like they are in this video, HP is the main factor that defines the possible MRR of a machine when cutting alu. A bigger CR would limit the max MRR as it draws more power.
I'm a toolmaker, so I wanna see how you guys get after it in stuff like A2 and S7. I've learned a TON from watching these videos and I've become substantially faster in my work as a result.
What was the load on those cuts??? Also long term you can’t abuse any machine like that cause the spindle, bearings ect. life will be reduced big time. Or am in wrong🤔
We have a nice rigid twin column mazak with BT50 10K spindle and we been keen to try something like that. Put a big old block of ally on the machine and just send a 100mm cutter with polished inserts through it at full speed and see what it does.
As fun as it is to watch. And I can totally understand the point in what you are making in that you can afford to ramp things up a little . The potential for catastrophic failure when pushing the boundaries could be a very costly one
Last century I programmed toughing cuts in P20 with 1mm depth of cut 1.2mm feed per tooth 50% step over. I forget the metres per minute but it was a 52mm button cutter, the operator then increased the speed and feed until the sound and feel was just right.
So, weird question maybe, but if a tool like that does like, rapidly disassemble in an unplanned way. Are those windows like bulletproof? There is a heck of a lot of force flying around there.
Would be interesting to see the Machine do this for more than 1 pass like a 15M HSM toolpath to cut down a large block. is there Vibration detection on this machine?
Thats impressive these machines can cut that much material off! I run a 150 hp heavy roll lathe and according to my calculations I can dry cut with single point ceramic @ 116 cubic inches MRR per minute of STEEL all day. I can run it up to 230 cubic inches MRR for a short amount of time before the cutter is fried. specs are 1-1/4 round insert, DOC is 1.300 inch (surface area on the round insert), IPM is .006 up to max .012, spindle rpm 125 and max 135. sfm is 1244 normal and max 1343 on a 39 inch diameter roll. a 15 ton roll @ 135 rpm is somewhat intimidating to stand beside!! Its impressive what these 50 year old machines run can do!! Ive made about a full tandem dump truck load of chips in a 12 hr shift!!
Machinist here I want to see what you guys come up with for long straight walls on mold steel like p20 all the way from extended cutters digging pockets out and finishing pockets with 90deg walls or even 1-3 draft,10”+ deep let’s just say too deep to just throw an end mill at it and shear cut. Been cutting plastic injection molds for a while and depth is always a hurdle
I work in a huge forge shop and we struggle getting peeling the forge scale off 15-5 and 4330 mod. It would be awesome to see what you guys would do in this situation!
Quite often when dealing with forge or flame cut parts i find attacking it with a conventional cut rather than a climb cut works better. After the initial start of a cut you're putting the insert into clean material and exiting from the skin instead of the other way round. Tool life can be improved by an astonishing amount. Just make sure to leave a little more on the part than you would with a climb cut, particularly if you have a less rigid or well worn machine to work on, as the cutter will tend to pull into the part instead of deflecting away from it.
Hey Titan, what would I need to do, to be considered for a job at your company? I have no CNC experience, only manual, and only on very old machines. I am 27. No high school diploma or GED.
Can I come work for you? I can program and setup everything except Edm's and 3d printers although I am eager to learn those skills. I also have years of inspection experience with various CMM's including Zeiss. I need to relocate anyway. Nowhere around here values my skills.
Me encanta su contenido, honestamente se muy poco ingles. Pero le pongo mucha atención a los videos y el contenido. Comprendo cuando hablan de avances, cortes y revoluciónes. Tengo 5 años en este profecion y me encanta seguir aprendiendo. Saludos desde cd Juárez Chihuahua México 🤘
Do this in something more like 304SS use everyday common cutters that machine shops have say 1/2” up to 1” and show the MMR. Big numbers are easy to get when you use big tools. In a testing situation always easy to show “impressive numbers”…..
"We're gonna go one tenth deep... It's gonna be epic!" Hahaha! Nice comic relief for the mistakes we've all made so many times. Thank you for this video! I'd also like to see basically the opposite of this video where you go for the best possible surface finish. I've watched some videos from Paul Horn GmbH where they achieve a perfect mirror finish on soft metals right off of the machine. It would be really cool to see you all try to do that without crazy proprietary tooling like Paul Horn uses.
@@drewjohnson4794 I think Paul Horn GmbH does something like they. They've got milling cutters that leave finishes like that, too. That's what I'd like to see these guys do, but with less exotic tooling.
Since this is a loaner, Ibarmia isn't concerned you're doing donuts in the parking lot with their car before you give it back? Just wondering.... Badass chips for sure.
There is no way you could maintain that mmr all the time. Production runs need a consistent rate to succeed. Job runs or 'one off' runs need a person that is smart and can machine a part first time with no screw ups. Been there and done that ok...!!!
@@Hareball001 I am aware, but showing a monster MRR for 1sec of cutting is cool but not particularly useful, I want to see them blast through a part at high MRR!
Sweet!. Is there any chance you could show people the importance of having the right type of tip for the material? Maybe showing the difference between tips for aluminium, in aluminium. And steel tips in aluminium. Thanks guys,keep on killing it! 👍
Now that would be useful! We only use one kind of tip in our shop, because the runs are pretty short. Always wondered how much better tips made for aluminium would be. But then, we generally machine castings, which may not be great for the aluminium tips.
can you destroy a tank?? Military grade armor... Something along the lines of warfare... It would make you rich if there was a weapon that could neutralize the ground warfare... put a spindle into action that could do this... Really curious how this would look...
@@TITANSofCNC How about 1000 cubic inches a minute thru a nickel alloy...??? Bet it won't make that cut........ Hastelloy possibly.... Don't be a pus*y.... Lol... Let's see it ok...... Dare ya......!!!!!!!! LMFAO.....!!!!! Buy insurance on the machine first ok... Just advice..... You would make money on the views here but probably not enough to repair the machine... I'm curious to see this happen....!!!!!!
Man! Wild! Show us all the prep for this cut! Math, graphs, dialogue with the companies. It's awesome to see but it'd be cool to see all the stuff leading up to this!
INSANE!
Hmmm! not a bad idea!
I mean I'm super interested so figured others would be too.
No credit needed just send me a shoutout haha 🤙🤙
Watched this several times and I didn’t truly appreciate these videos until I started working in a machine shop.
Titan, promise me to say Boom whenever a machine crashes okay? :D
Stuff like this is why I got into, and enjoy, machining so much. Sadly, everywhere I've been has machines that are at least 15 years old with little to no maintenance procedures in place (run it til it breaks then keep going). It's getting to the point where it just isn't fun anymore. I still love machining though.
Aluminum is so satisfying to mill with those high rake angle face mills. We have some of the Sandvik cutters and you can go hard, fast and deep into non ferrous materials.
Keeping it real at Titans of CNC 🤙
The mini Snoop at the boom of the screen, 4:06 love it! 😆
LOL Thanks for pointing him out. Couldn’t see it on a phone! 😂
That was nice, I've only seen this on newer Makino 5 axis.
Can we get an updated shop tour soon? I'd like to see how you guys really roll after all these years of hard-core machining.
You guys should have a shop competition between the machinist where you all make a titan academy part from scratch and see who can do it the fastest.
I like this one. Titan will too I bet.
u mean who is more willing to wreck a tool and machine?
Oh, ill win that bet then, Leon
Great idea!
@@barrysetzer sweet I hope you guys can make it happen, titans a G but my money would be on you Barry. I've find when guys spend more time in the office they lose some of the magic on the floor.
Insane metal cutting. Congrats Titan and team.
Awesome
Could you make a video on how you keep parts scratch and dent free and how you deburr parts during production to keep everything perfect? We really struggle in our small shop trying to keep everything nice particularly when making small batches of things
Good idea!
Yes
@@TITANSofCNC thank you 🙏
We struggled with that where I work too, but we already know what's wrong. To get rid of it we'd have to hire new people who actually try, sadly.
Depends on what the customer wants to pay for. Some of them dont really care they just dont want burrs so manually filing/deburring is good enough. Some companies only wants chamfers done by CNC - which is an extra cost as some chamfers can be reaaaaaaaaally tricky do to.
Also, get yourselves a pallet with sheets of cardboard and use those as scratchproof surfaces when handling parts. Its cheap and effective.
I’m glad u mentioned the corner rad. I was gonna comment on that, a bigger rad will run much better and quieter than the tiny rad on those inserts.
Bigger rad would draw more power
@@dadtdm5646 maybe, but in Aluminium HP is rarely a problem. Having to limit feed on a long tool because the tool squarks like a choked chicken because of tiny corner rad is a problem. Going to an insert with larger rad and then feeding at twice the feed even if it runs a higher spindle speed is fine by me.
@@damientoomey1194 - They aren't running a long tool, they're going for max MRR. When going for maximum MRR, like they are in this video, HP is the main factor that defines the possible MRR of a machine when cutting alu. A bigger CR would limit the max MRR as it draws more power.
SOOOOOO much quieter with coolant, dang!! Once again, awesome video. Love watching machine and tooling getting pushed to the extreme, thank you.
damn!!! Coolant made a gigantic difference I think you could run that all day on a machine like this!
Right! I was actually surprised at how big the difference was!
100%
I well remember the first time using carbide inserts with that cutting geometry for aluminum, my reaction was like Titans. Total game changer.
Somebody typo a G00 for a G01. Damn thats crazy machining!
I'm a toolmaker, so I wanna see how you guys get after it in stuff like A2 and S7. I've learned a TON from watching these videos and I've become substantially faster in my work as a result.
This gave me goosebumb
What was the load on those cuts??? Also long term you can’t abuse any machine like that cause the spindle, bearings ect. life will be reduced big time. Or am in wrong🤔
When you unclamp that part, how bad does it warp ?
Probably twists up like a pretzel.
damn the difference is crazy with coolant. the camera looked way more stable too
Omg yous faces after the first pass 🤣 "Yes sir I done double checked it"
😜😜😜
You can hear the spindle bog down a little bit. One helluva cut
We have a nice rigid twin column mazak with BT50 10K spindle and we been keen to try something like that. Put a big old block of ally on the machine and just send a 100mm cutter with polished inserts through it at full speed and see what it does.
The last time I saw chips that resembled fettuccine noodles (in sheer size) it was on accident, you guys did this on purpose. Crazy!
Like to know the sindle PSI @ the apogee of the insert. Or insert itself.
As fun as it is to watch. And I can totally understand the point in what you are making in that you can afford to ramp things up a little . The potential for catastrophic failure when pushing the boundaries could be a very costly one
You know you can cut the full 9mm that the tips are that would be interesting to watch at the same speed .
My 3018pro looking at me: don't even think about it
Can you show spindle loads? Im curious to see if that beast of a machine slows down much when it starts cutting.
the vine boom sound effects lmao epic
Last century I programmed toughing cuts in P20 with 1mm depth of cut 1.2mm feed per tooth 50% step over. I forget the metres per minute but it was a 52mm button cutter, the operator then increased the speed and feed until the sound and feel was just right.
How many people do you know that get to have that much fun on the job.....Boom.....
Love it bro
We wait for the lathe edition 🔥🔥
So, weird question maybe, but if a tool like that does like, rapidly disassemble in an unplanned way. Are those windows like bulletproof? There is a heck of a lot of force flying around there.
guy can you show how this machine is being cleaned pls? amazing vids by the way
Those inserts are great. I’ve used them before. They also last forever.
3:39 i am wondering what their response was when you said you want to mill through a vise^^
HAHAHA we didnt mention THAT
That's a beast of a cut! I'm on mobile so I'm not sure 100% but did the spindle lose rpm near the end of the cut?
Had the same impression, sounds like it's bogging down. Can't do much longer cuts like this.
only thing I've seen close to that MRR is a band saw😆 that's crazy!!
Would be interesting to see the Machine do this for more than 1 pass like a 15M HSM toolpath to cut down a large block. is there Vibration detection on this machine?
Does the rpm drop? sounds like. How was the spindlepower?
Thats impressive these machines can cut that much material off! I run a 150 hp heavy roll lathe and according to my calculations I can dry cut with single point ceramic @ 116 cubic inches MRR per minute of STEEL all day. I can run it up to 230 cubic inches MRR for a short amount of time before the cutter is fried. specs are 1-1/4 round insert, DOC is 1.300 inch (surface area on the round insert), IPM is .006 up to max .012, spindle rpm 125 and max 135. sfm is 1244 normal and max 1343 on a 39 inch diameter roll. a 15 ton roll @ 135 rpm is somewhat intimidating to stand beside!! Its impressive what these 50 year old machines run can do!! Ive made about a full tandem dump truck load of chips in a 12 hr shift!!
What do you think you can run day to day with MRR? What will fail first if running at this rate?
Machinist here I want to see what you guys come up with for long straight walls on mold steel like p20 all the way from extended cutters digging pockets out and finishing pockets with 90deg walls or even 1-3 draft,10”+ deep let’s just say too deep to just throw an end mill at it and shear cut. Been cutting plastic injection molds for a while and depth is always a hurdle
I work in a huge forge shop and we struggle getting peeling the forge scale off 15-5 and 4330 mod. It would be awesome to see what you guys would do in this situation!
That shit is fucking hard. Best luck i had was on a big hbm with a big shell mill cutter.
Quite often when dealing with forge or flame cut parts i find attacking it with a conventional cut rather than a climb cut works better.
After the initial start of a cut you're putting the insert into clean material and exiting from the skin instead of the other way round.
Tool life can be improved by an astonishing amount.
Just make sure to leave a little more on the part than you would with a climb cut, particularly if you have a less rigid or well worn machine to work on, as the cutter will tend to pull into the part instead of deflecting away from it.
Hey when you post these videos and talk about MRR, maybe have a 644 cubic inch square block to show for comparison
that cut at the beginning sounded like a heavy metal song, pun intended.
Can you guys make a chip straight enough to machine a 0.015'' cube from that chip?
2:20 better too little than too much..'Annnd this is the part where the shell mill head is torn off..'
Great stuff
thats like wiping your hand across the metal and having it removed wax on wax off LMAO
will this work on forged 4340 ?
Which material you turning
Hey Titan, what would I need to do, to be considered for a job at your company?
I have no CNC experience, only manual, and only on very old machines.
I am 27. No high school diploma or GED.
Can I come work for you? I can program and setup everything except Edm's and 3d printers although I am eager to learn those skills. I also have years of inspection experience with various CMM's including Zeiss. I need to relocate anyway. Nowhere around here values my skills.
Well now you've got to try it with the roughing inserts, and run it even HARDER!!
Show us a 5+ axis process for a hastelloy blisk
Me encanta su contenido, honestamente se muy poco ingles.
Pero le pongo mucha atención a los videos y el contenido.
Comprendo cuando hablan de avances, cortes y revoluciónes.
Tengo 5 años en este profecion y me encanta seguir aprendiendo.
Saludos desde cd Juárez Chihuahua México 🤘
What an amazing cut.
can you do the same on 4140?
For about half a second, maybe. Lol!
Asome this Guys are the Creasy Machinst of the World booommmm
Maybe do a finish pass after that insane cut to show insert integrity? Just for fun no doubts cast from me !
Do this in something more like 304SS use everyday common cutters that machine shops have say 1/2” up to 1” and show the MMR. Big numbers are easy to get when you use big tools. In a testing situation always easy to show “impressive numbers”…..
You should do that with a 4 axis Makino MC 98, you could go three times as deep with 20,000 RPM and same feed!
You guys sure do love to have fun.thats alum now let see steel as fast and as deep as you can go.
Did you catch the high feed mill on ibarmia at 350ipm?
If not, here ya go! ruclips.net/video/VrIer9dylhI/видео.html
I wnat videos of your DMLS 3d printer.
Pleeeaaase, i beg you guys.
Thought we was looking at surface finish!
You can edit the mistakes out, ya know.. :P
We Know Titan is a big Teddy Bear.
Heck of a cut. Did the machine loose a lot of RPM Though? Sounded like I’m the video it was bogging down. Could just be the video tho
Hi ı need 5 axle cnc. Whats the prise
I think finishing inserts actualy helped you in this case :D smaller radius = smaller load on the spindle :D
Smart, man! Thats what we said, too!
Did i hear the rpm drop?
What was the load?
by the time you look at the load meter, its all done cutting...
Show us the same working in titan and 42crmo4 😀👍
Woo hoo let the chips fly
I wanna see the spindle meter! 😆
Slayin!
Loved making this video with you Brother😁🙏😂🔥🔥🔥🔥
@@TITANSofCNC Hahaha same here, bro! BOOM!
What is it man that you look so much like the person in the video 🤯🤯
Hahaha that is not a coincidence! Thanks for watching!
It's a joke man, I can distinguish you among the people of the world
Love you all titans
And waiting for the next vedios with you Mr Barry
Boom 🔥🔥
Ok, now do that cut rate in hardened 4340. :D
"We're gonna go one tenth deep... It's gonna be epic!" Hahaha! Nice comic relief for the mistakes we've all made so many times. Thank you for this video!
I'd also like to see basically the opposite of this video where you go for the best possible surface finish. I've watched some videos from Paul Horn GmbH where they achieve a perfect mirror finish on soft metals right off of the machine. It would be really cool to see you all try to do that without crazy proprietary tooling like Paul Horn uses.
You ever seen a diamond turned finish? It's so perfect and smooth you need a spectrometer to measure the finish.
@@drewjohnson4794 I think Paul Horn GmbH does something like they. They've got milling cutters that leave finishes like that, too. That's what I'd like to see these guys do, but with less exotic tooling.
We are ON IT!
spain power machines
Since this is a loaner, Ibarmia isn't concerned you're doing donuts in the parking lot with their car before you give it back? Just wondering.... Badass chips for sure.
Red pill !!!💊 🤯 BOOM
Haha this guy is LISTENING!
Now that you have proven you can remove material successfully at this rate, let's see you rough a part with this tool, speed and feed!
There is no way you could maintain that mmr all the time. Production runs need a consistent rate to succeed. Job runs or 'one off' runs need a person that is smart and can machine a part first time with no screw ups.
Been there and done that ok...!!!
@@Hareball001 I am aware, but showing a monster MRR for 1sec of cutting is cool but not particularly useful, I want to see them blast through a part at high MRR!
Machine and shop cleaning in the next one...come on guys, we want to know how you keep it clean
How much hp was that ?
I didn't hear anything. Next time you up the MRR - I want to see the REAL limit! 😃👍
Yo titan this dude said I won the machine! Now he wants me to pay Shipping! Hahahahahahah
Barry reminds me of Paul Bearer from the WWF.
LOL
AWESOM!!
We use the GT 15 on out lathe's
The chips sound like bullets on the windows
Ständer davon bekommen?
Sweet!. Is there any chance you could show people the importance of having the right type of tip for the material?
Maybe showing the difference between tips for aluminium, in aluminium. And steel tips in aluminium. Thanks guys,keep on killing it! 👍
Now that would be useful! We only use one kind of tip in our shop, because the runs are pretty short. Always wondered how much better tips made for aluminium would be. But then, we generally machine castings, which may not be great for the aluminium tips.
Run it in a haas next time to show the difference in max mrr
I did in a video called “Tools of Destruction”
Here it is: ruclips.net/video/mRWAFOQKHKI/видео.html
Thanks guys! I forgot all about it!
0:08 to start with a goofy impression
can you destroy a tank??
Military grade armor...
Something along the lines of warfare...
It would make you rich if there was a weapon that could neutralize the ground warfare...
put a spindle into action that could do this...
Really curious how this would look...
How about 1000 cubic inces a minut?
It’s coming
@@TITANSofCNC How about 1000 cubic inches a minute thru a nickel alloy...???
Bet it won't make that cut........
Hastelloy possibly....
Don't be a pus*y.... Lol...
Let's see it ok......
Dare ya......!!!!!!!! LMFAO.....!!!!!
Buy insurance on the machine first ok... Just advice.....
You would make money on the views here but probably not enough to repair the machine...
I'm curious to see this happen....!!!!!!
How would These Cuts Look Like in Steel!? 😁🤪
Jesus how far can you push it???
Let’s find out
Let's load up the Hass 😅😆😅🤣😂
Try taking that kind of cut in something harder than aluminum
Check out aerospaceacademy.com
Can hear the RPM slowing down
Let's see what that robodrill will do