I always play the modified double helix (but only if white opens with horsey jumping the mini-phallus). Fun side note: "check, mate?" is also widely used in Australia on paydays. #themoreyouknow.
@@JohannesMariaRunge it’s crazy watching these and how Garry adjusted his play so quickly to counter the deep blue’s play style. His brain took him 1 or 2 games and he knew exactly what he had to do if he wanted to win at the time. AI’s today could never be trained that quickly even with the number of ‘neuron connections’ rivaling the human brain. It’s just a cool thing to think abt i thought
For anyone interested in how the engines work: Brute force, used by Deep Blue and Stockfish alike, is simply just traversing a decision tree and evaluating every possible position with an evaluation function, or a mathematical equation that gives a score for each position. Stockfish is just able to do this a lot faster, because it does this with alpha-beta pruning, or skipping some branches of the decision tree because the score on others is high or low enough that it doesn’t need to evaluate every position. AlphaZero however, learns like a human by remembering patterns that lead to wins and storing them in something like a database to use for later. This is how it “learns” like a human does and seems to be more creative than other engines. It basically taught itself chess by playing against itself millions of times in order to build this database of moves. It’s a little more complicated than that, but those are the basics.
You are wrong in some points, Stockfish are more human. Human didn't remember the position and play by memories, maybe they remember openings, but not for the middle game thinking. Human think like Stockfish, finding what way to win the game, evaluating if the move is good or not.
@@aldoyudhistira5424Humans are more half and half and theres good saying that shows this, "Play the opening like a book, the middlegame like a magician, and the endgame like a machine". Humans in the endgame are like stockfish, they brute force calculate and remember winning scenarios, but in the middlegame, humans *need* to play intuitively. If your opponent is much weaker than you, then ofc you can just brute force it, but when youre of equal skill, esp at high levels of play, you arent going to out calculate your opponent, you need to be able to jsut understand and recognize winning patters through intuition, which is what AlphaZero does.
Garry made the classic blunder that has been the downfall of countless powerful people; He underestimated his opponent. Trying to exploit the unique features of chess-playing computers was smart, and it mostly worked, but he put WAY too much confidence in his own understanding of how computers played and it backfired, he took lines he otherwise never would've taken just in an attempt to exploit their novelty and he paid for it when the computer didn't react as he expected it to. But I suppose he figured that the computer would have the advantage in positional play due to being able to calculate so far ahead and it was worth the risk? Even though there were games where his strong positional play won him the game?
id say that positional play would be better than tactical considering the limited depth, it wouldnt be like today’s stockfish which can see 25 moves into the future in seconds. however, even its limited depth would be enough to counter most tactics but probably wouldnt be enough to fully gauge how powerful positional play can be. just a theory tho
I would actually completely argue against this. My info on the situation may not be entirely accurate, but in a documentary I watched, it made a point of detailing that deep blue after the first match was specifically trained to beat Kasparov. The AI used training data from a ton of Kasparov games so he’d know how to respond to Kasparovs normal moves. Since the AI knew all his moves, Kasparov switched up his tactics and had to play differently. Not to mention, Kasparov had every right to assume his tricks that had worked in previous matches would work as the only reason they didn’t was because in between matches the ai was actively being updated, taking out any bugs and the such so he had no real choice but to refind out what he could continue to exploit and what was no longer possible. Frankly I don’t see it as overconfidence at all, I actually see the opposite. I believe that all the constant changes to deep blue, the over serialized environment, and the inability to use his comfortable play style had given Kasparov a ton of anxiety causing him to play not at the top of his game, leading to his constant resignations and loss.
When he's like "my computer is still debating a draw in this position" DUDE YOUR COMPUTER IS LIKE 30 YEARS MORE ADVANCED, I understand kasparovs frustration more lol
@@valguthcsongor5263 You spent Gary wrong, do your homework before you correct people. His real name is "Gary Chess", he was a close friend of the famous biologist Zangiuli L. and his biggest achievement was inventing chess.
@@ArranVid but not with ease. They again played against each other in 2020, it ended up as draw... Magnus at his one of the best phase vs Garry at his one of the worst phase... They both are at same level but due to generation gap, Magnus is slightly better than Kasparov.
12:10 when Garry puts all of his pawns on dark squares, it’s called “spatial dominance,” when I do it, it’s called “light square weakness” or “mate in two” (whatever that means)
Yeah, but nowadays nobody can beat AlphaZero. Carlsen has been begged to play it countless times but never accepted because it would only result in him losing.
@@prohz9129 If you go into a game knowing you're 100 percent not only going to lose but be embarrassed at the same time, the only thing that will come of it is frustration and a potential loss of dignity. In other words, it would be stupid to. Would you personally do it in his place, for the entire world to analyze?
Gary's instincts in the first series after that first loss seems to be to think like a computer until he's able to add his own flourishes, this is pretty amazing to see.
As a guy that blundered his queen early on in a Scandinavian Defense against the 700 bot because I didn't feel like using my brain on Nelson or whoever the 1500 bot is, I felt this much more than I should.
When I heard "brute force" I realised that Kasparov was a genius. He went for the long game because there is too much to compute when you are in the endgame. That's why he only "improve his position". To get a better (and harder) position for the computer analyse. It was not a battle of chess. It was a computation stress test with chess envolved. Modern chess engines are so hard to beat because the computer no longer computes everything like back then. It does not have to. It learns moves, positions and strategies like we do, just faster and in bigger volume. Great video.
@@fos1451 Stockfish uses a much smarter brute force - it doesn’t check literally every possible line, it’s much better at saving computational power by only checking the best lines (this is called alpha beta pruning). This comes with the consequence that it still can’t solve some niche positions where a sacrifice has really long term benefits
@@somebodyuknow2507 Move pruning has been in use since the late 70s. Algorithms have gotten better, yes, but the essential approach is still exactly the same. The only thing not "brute force" about modern stockfish (since 2020) is it's evaluation function (so the function that determines the final value of a position at the end of a tree branch). It uses machine learning, but that's it.
"When you or I push 3 pawns of opposite sides of the board, we look stupid. When Garry does it, he's y'know, trying to beat a computer." S+ tier quote.
I remember watching these games live at work. Seemed like you had to wait forever for a move. And then several times, the web site would crash and you'd have to go on usenet to find the next move. Everyone was using Fritz to analyze the games. But you needed a fast computer. I remember there being talk about one game that Kasparov resigned which was not lost (forget if he could have drawn or won). I think it was in the rematch. The rematch was really weird. Kasparov was acting very paranoid. He was trying to get the computer out of opening book instead of playing chess. He lobbed accusations on nearly every move. It didn't send a good vibe. It was almost as if Kasparov knew he was going to lose. It was a big moment when Deep Blue won because people were asking what the future of chess was. Would people still play? It signified a new era where computers were officially better players than humans. This scared a lot of people. Not for chess. But in what would come next.
I would love to see a remake of this video putting on the evaluation bar. It would be fascinating to see what Stockfish thinks about all these old computer engine moves and Garry’s moves.
Thanks for the video - It's Aug 2022 and I seeing this for the 1st time! I heard about Garry Kasparov vs Deep blue when I was in high school. Never thought I could actually "see" the matches. Thanks for sharing
Levy, please do more on these types of games vs engines. They're fascinating! Particularly the overall history and timeline where, after 2006, they effectively stopped scheduling matches because the computers were too strong
@@abyssmage6979 Normally that joke would be funny, but Chess youtubers have accelerated things and "Hans Niemann cheated against Magnus" jokes are already unfunny
Kasparov lose the rematch though ..such a shame coz the much anticipated 3rd rematch never took place and it affected Kasparov quite a bit i think so lol
He still isn't I mean it isn't a preference where the classification is instant, he is going to be competing but not yet so technically he isnt competing
@Nate Bekin I’m not talking about what he said, I’m just getting annoyed at his broken English, if you’re gonna troll somebody at least learn how to speak.
Absolutely love how Levy interacts with his viewers literally saw a comment on his last vid wanting him to do a vid on gary vs deep blue and thought that would be cool and now here it is🙂
This really just shows how amazing Gary Kasparov that he almost beat a computer of this caliber, and probably would have won the match if he understood this computer‘s play better
For the uninitiated (a very simplified explanation): The principle by which the deep blue "AI" was built was mostly a combination of brute force calculation and pruning. Brute force means that you test every possible combination to a certain depth of moves and determine which move combination guarantees the best outcome. Pruning you could describe as more intelligent brute force, where you don't evaluate moves that you know beforehand are going to be bad. What makes the alpha zero AI at the same time both less computationally intensive and so much better is that it does not hard force any solution like deep blue does, instead it is built using a so called "neural net" which most modern AI is based upon. The engine basically has a lot of parameters built in, and then it plays against itself and other AI's and adjusts each parameter each match it plays, so it basically learns pretty much like a human would without access to books or the internet, through trial and error
Love the content Levy. I can recommend reading Kasparov's book "Deep Thinking" which explores the two Deep Blue matches (and the complete change in attitudes for the rematch) as well as a general history of chess computers and thoughts on intelligent machines. Very interesting. Apparently the day after game 2 in 1997, Garry's team discovered that he didn't need to resign....
Thank you for your content, I found your RUclips reels after getting into chess from chesssimp's content. You have such a great personality and bring so much enthusiasm that makes it so fun to watch. The engine related stuff is very interesting to me as a cs grad. Watching in Summer 2022 :D
Awesome review, thanks. Well framed in the context of 1997. I remember that match, and being both a chess player and a software engineer I didn’t know who to cheer for. We were shocked to see Kasparov switching to closed play to beat Deep Blue.
Thank you for analyzing these games, Levi. I was only a young lad,10 yrs old when they played. I didn't have easy access to view it then, and since then it has slipped my mind to actually look the matches up and break the matches down move-for-move. I appreciate your insight and work for Gotham!
hey levy I went back to this video bc I wanted to see the analysis for these games again, and I must say, I kinda miss this kind of videos. I also like what you do right now though, I don't want you to change, but you know, it's nice to see how much channel can change in just a year
If anyone hasn't watched the Fredrik Knudsen video on the background to these games then set aside a spare 2 hours to watch the most wild chess tale you could imagine.
Your historical deep-dives are really quite excellent. I haven't seen RUclips chess videos like this before. It's a really clever format of covering the entire 'event' in question, giving a commentary on the over-arching events, and nipping through some of the most important games. A superb format, and very informative. Thank you.
It's insane that when Levy these days tries to beat computers, he plays a hippo type set up like in 15:11, and Kasparov was already doing that in 1997.
For different reasons. Levy uses an hippo because it is what delays the game the most, forcing the cheater to use his time up and lose before the engine does anything. Kasparov used the hippo because he wanted a long game as he saw that is the weakness of the engine. Levy would never win using an hippo against an engine these days with classical time control, as the engine would eventually break his defense open, it only works in rapid or blitz games. Then again the comparison isn't fair because today's engines are much better than deep blue was in 1996/1997
Sometimes I consider it. All it takes is some faulty programming or a virus, and all the sudden, a bunch of our military gear starts targeting anything with a heat signature. Like... Us.
I have talked with friends and we basically agree that we're in Early Cyberpunk already. We don't have the coolest aesthetic nailed down, but all essential elements are in place.
@@IlSigPin day 3 of translating the title in spanish in comments about translating the title "Garry Kasparov contra Deep Blue: la batalla de ajedrez por la Humanidad "
@@tronquitoanimations2882 day 1 of translating the title in portuguese in comments about translating the title to spanish in comments about translating the title to italian. "Garry Kasparov contra Deep Blue: a batalha de xadrez pela humanidade".
@@Pedro-op6zj day 1 of translating the title in french in comments about translating the title to portuguese in comments about translating the title to spanish in comments about translating the title in italian. "Garry Kasparov contre Deep Blue: La bataille d'échec pour l'humanité"
Plot twist: the software engineer was the one thinking of the moves and he was merely modifying the board on the pc to make it look like Deep Blue accomplished anything
As a stockfish developer would be interesting to have some videos about chess engines :) I find it fascinating how simple yet extremely effective engine algorithms are.
Love these videos about chess history. It would be amazing if you could cover any 'immortal games', e.g. Kasparov-Topalov or Rotlewi-Rubinstein. Thanks for the awesome content Levy!
@@Qhsjahajw They may be covered a lot already, but Levy has a unique and entertaining way of explaining games, where all players regardless of ability can follow the games and therefore be more likely to appreciate them.
That last game in 1996, and Kasparov suffocating the enemy play, reminds me a lot of your discussion of how AlphaZero plays. Interesting to see these themes echo.
29:55 Brute Force has never been a computing approach for chess (except for situations with a reduced number of options such as only 7 pieces remaining) because Brute Force means trying every option till the whole decision tree has been examined. That's way too much computation. Instead a decision tree would be started (breadth first, not depth first) and it would be "pruned" that is lines that ;look less promising would be ignored. In this way the computation would be reduced to what was bearable .. and greater coverage became possible with faster computers. Also evaluation of positions(with attack counting arguments) leads to preference between positions without exploring them all the way to the end of the game. Those ways of departing from Brute Force have been around long before Machine Learning was involved.
@@slumz12 ? Knowing how AI works and knowing how to play chess are completely different fields of expertise, and despite then having some limited degree of overlap, that is not a strict correlation…. You very own attempt at criticism (not based on the arguments themselves) only discloses more about your ignorance than anything else. As well as the lack of knowledge. That guy is wrong at a few lines, but you are too dumb to even notice that, and ended up resorting to falling to the most basic logical fallacy - discrediting one’s character flaws (and not their thought process) in order to win an argument, when any other pathway to criticism is out of your reach. Must be fun putting other people down for no reason or merit and not being called down for it… You are disgrace to humanity. Complete monkey that throws their own filth at people and laughs at their expense, whereas, in the end, the filth’s origin was always exclusive to the likes of you.
February 2023 and I love watching the legendary chess engine beat the world champion for the first time. It is also very interesting how chess engines work now vs before
Thank you levy. U made me from an average player to a decent. Remember when u did the vids about how to improve chess players well THAT CAME IN CLUTCH. My rating was 900 to 1600 . Your annotations on the GM games was like a war and it was sooooo entertaining. I learnt so much and it was all because of u. The opening videos made me fearless( unless it is an opponent like u) but anyway U are my chess idle and I did only 25 puzzles and I took my time which totally worth it. I wish u the best of luck in your upcoming futures. love from the united kingdom
Watching in January 2023, and I gotta tell you that chess is booming like crazy. Everyone startted playing chess for no reason. Pretty good time to start playing chess, dont'cha think.
Some background on this story, Kasparov had access to Deep Blue logs after first encounter and could analyze it's logic. But when asked on second encounter (where he accused of cheating) they never gave him the log, also immediately dismanteled the machine and gave it to museum. Some people theoretize, that IBM wanted stock rise and be famous, so they most likely could've cheat with great minds behind the doors as they needed to revenge Kasparov to gain trust/attraction from investors. What do you think?
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Back then Engines were accused of using players and now players are accused of using engines.
good times
@@Dducksquad lmao
@@Dducksquad
My, how the turn tables
lol true
Basically AI vs brute force. Brute force is the shittiest approach you can use to solve a problem while AI in this case is the best best approach.
"You'll notice that he plays a reverse Grunfeld"
Me, 600 elo: mhm yes of course
Ah yes, the… reverse garfield?
@@SpiceLettuce no grunfeld
@@sanukayjayawardana9786 that’s the joke, you see. It implied I was so inexperienced that I did not understand what he was saying.
@@sanukayjayawardana9786 r/woosh
I always play the modified double helix (but only if white opens with horsey jumping the mini-phallus). Fun side note: "check, mate?" is also widely used in Australia on paydays. #themoreyouknow.
Garry in game 3 straight up went:
Garry: "Draw?"
Deep Blue Team: "Nah"
Garry: "It's treason then"
so... you have chosen death
Second wtf
third wtf
fifth wtf
4th wtf...?
"I drew a treadmill"
This is what true advancement looks like
I drew a horse
@@thebus3181 Why are you playing chess with your mom?
@@theinnerwaffle5887 I am confused what does this mean
@@thebus3181 he called your mom a horse
@@tristian14 Oh thanks
2021: this human is cheating with an engine
1996: this engine is cheating with a human 😤
Haha that’s a good one moving on
Best comment on the board.
@💯 Qwonklet 💯 a cultured one
Underrated comment
oooo kinky
Watching in December 2022, I'd love to see GMs of today take on these old engines.
Yes
Same
Because they have learned from the machines as well...its insane.
Me too
@@JohannesMariaRunge it’s crazy watching these and how Garry adjusted his play so quickly to counter the deep blue’s play style. His brain took him 1 or 2 games and he knew exactly what he had to do if he wanted to win at the time. AI’s today could never be trained that quickly even with the number of ‘neuron connections’ rivaling the human brain. It’s just a cool thing to think abt i thought
For anyone interested in how the engines work:
Brute force, used by Deep Blue and Stockfish alike, is simply just traversing a decision tree and evaluating every possible position with an evaluation function, or a mathematical equation that gives a score for each position. Stockfish is just able to do this a lot faster, because it does this with alpha-beta pruning, or skipping some branches of the decision tree because the score on others is high or low enough that it doesn’t need to evaluate every position. AlphaZero however, learns like a human by remembering patterns that lead to wins and storing them in something like a database to use for later. This is how it “learns” like a human does and seems to be more creative than other engines. It basically taught itself chess by playing against itself millions of times in order to build this database of moves. It’s a little more complicated than that, but those are the basics.
Thanks
Really wanted to like the comment but i prefer 69 likes. Nice
You are wrong in some points, Stockfish are more human.
Human didn't remember the position and play by memories, maybe they remember openings, but not for the middle game thinking.
Human think like Stockfish, finding what way to win the game, evaluating if the move is good or not.
@@aldoyudhistira5424Humans are more half and half and theres good saying that shows this, "Play the opening like a book, the middlegame like a magician, and the endgame like a machine". Humans in the endgame are like stockfish, they brute force calculate and remember winning scenarios, but in the middlegame, humans *need* to play intuitively. If your opponent is much weaker than you, then ofc you can just brute force it, but when youre of equal skill, esp at high levels of play, you arent going to out calculate your opponent, you need to be able to jsut understand and recognize winning patters through intuition, which is what AlphaZero does.
@@adbon6279 alright, agree then.
Player: *breathes*
Levy: "clearly, they are familiar with the Gothamchess video on effective breathing during chess"
Effective breathing you say? Surely, this must be a JoJo reference!
Next up on Gotham chess: How to beat a treadmill.
Quality comment
@Usemilter bro but.. idfc
Total concentration breathing?
"hey im watching in 2024" wtf I had a heart attack when you said that
SAME OH MY GOD
Same
Same 😂
Same here too 😂😂
“I drew a treadmill”
- Levi Rosman, International Master
Is he a painter?
@@нинажучкова-д2б yup
It’s Levy Rozman, not Levi Rosman. But he is an IM, so you got that part right.
@@PianoBoyLiam its Levy Rozman not rosman ok? Its better not to mess with anyone's name
@@PianoBoyLiam sorry but i wanted to reply to the main comment, mistakenly replied urs hehe
"There is a treadmill out there that plays better chess than you" sounds like the worst insult you can ever hear
that's some Ramsey level insult right there
Garry made the classic blunder that has been the downfall of countless powerful people; He underestimated his opponent. Trying to exploit the unique features of chess-playing computers was smart, and it mostly worked, but he put WAY too much confidence in his own understanding of how computers played and it backfired, he took lines he otherwise never would've taken just in an attempt to exploit their novelty and he paid for it when the computer didn't react as he expected it to.
But I suppose he figured that the computer would have the advantage in positional play due to being able to calculate so far ahead and it was worth the risk? Even though there were games where his strong positional play won him the game?
Deep blue: "It's over Garry I have the advantage"
Garry: "You underestimate my power."
id say that positional play would be better than tactical considering the limited depth, it wouldnt be like today’s stockfish which can see 25 moves into the future in seconds. however, even its limited depth would be enough to counter most tactics but probably wouldnt be enough to fully gauge how powerful positional play can be. just a theory tho
humans v machines of then be like "hehe this piece of trash thinks it can play better than me?"
humans v machines of now be like "teach me, sensei"
I would actually completely argue against this. My info on the situation may not be entirely accurate, but in a documentary I watched, it made a point of detailing that deep blue after the first match was specifically trained to beat Kasparov. The AI used training data from a ton of Kasparov games so he’d know how to respond to Kasparovs normal moves. Since the AI knew all his moves, Kasparov switched up his tactics and had to play differently.
Not to mention, Kasparov had every right to assume his tricks that had worked in previous matches would work as the only reason they didn’t was because in between matches the ai was actively being updated, taking out any bugs and the such so he had no real choice but to refind out what he could continue to exploit and what was no longer possible.
Frankly I don’t see it as overconfidence at all, I actually see the opposite. I believe that all the constant changes to deep blue, the over serialized environment, and the inability to use his comfortable play style had given Kasparov a ton of anxiety causing him to play not at the top of his game, leading to his constant resignations and loss.
He beat it multiple times wdym?
This was fascinating to watch with modern engines in mind, thanks for taking the time to research all of that Levy!
Não esperava vc por aqui
@@vycthorjhonson6624 no
Thank you for suggesting it!
When he's like "my computer is still debating a draw in this position" DUDE YOUR COMPUTER IS LIKE 30 YEARS MORE ADVANCED, I understand kasparovs frustration more lol
boa corno
Gary Chess vs. the Fax machine. Truly a legendary battle
Was it really that hard to spell Garry right?
@@valguthcsongor5263 it’s a fucking joke you nonce
@@valguthcsongor5263 no his name is Gary Chess and he invented Chess in the 90’s
@@valguthcsongor5263 Good thing he spelled Kasparov correctly
@@valguthcsongor5263 You spent Gary wrong, do your homework before you correct people. His real name is "Gary Chess", he was a close friend of the famous biologist Zangiuli L. and his biggest achievement was inventing chess.
I really wish we could have seen Garry stay on long enough to play Magnus on his way up: Garry vs Magnus in 2010 or so would have been magical.
Nice
They played when Magnus was 13 to a draw
I think Magnus would've won. I think that Magnus is a better player than Garry.
@@ArranVid but not with ease. They again played against each other in 2020, it ended up as draw... Magnus at his one of the best phase vs Garry at his one of the worst phase... They both are at same level but due to generation gap, Magnus is slightly better than Kasparov.
@@ArranVidAt their both absolute best Kasparov is better than Magnus
“I drew a treadmill” is hilarious
timestamp?
@@jaydenp3078 30:34
@@jaydenp3078 30:11 for context
i once drew a wolf. suprisingly i didn't get eaten for dinner
@@marcuspoosz2190 you drew a wolf in a fight? In that case you'd both be dead
I love how genuinely he delivered the line "I drew a treadmill."
12:10 when Garry puts all of his pawns on dark squares, it’s called “spatial dominance,” when I do it, it’s called “light square weakness” or “mate in two” (whatever that means)
"you cannot capture your own pieces"
*surprised Pikachu face*
The USA with drones in Afghanistan: Hold my beer!
chess: friendly fire on
@@Smitology WHERE'S MY LASAGNA JOHN?
Would be kind of cool if you could as long as you couldn't be forced to. Imagine the SuperGM self-sacs
there's a variant which allows you to do so
I am not stronger than Deep Blue
You are not stronger than Deep Blue
He is stronger than Deep Blue
Yeah, but nowadays nobody can beat AlphaZero. Carlsen has been begged to play it countless times but never accepted because it would only result in him losing.
@@edoardoprevelato6577
Not playing an engine because you’re going to lose?
It’s not like you’re going to lose rating right?
Deep Blue is not stronger than Deep Blue
@@prohz9129 because it’s pointless. He can’t win his smartphone chess app, nevermind alpha zero.
@@prohz9129 If you go into a game knowing you're 100 percent not only going to lose but be embarrassed at the same time, the only thing that will come of it is frustration and a potential loss of dignity. In other words, it would be stupid to. Would you personally do it in his place, for the entire world to analyze?
I'm watching 8 days before Christmas 2022. I'm not even big on Chess, I just loved your personality when I saw you on Lex's podcast.
Levy not wearing a hoodie is a rare sight...
RIP LEVY
He isn't honouring the hoodie guy
Gary is playing Deep Blue. His shirt is a deep blue color. Coincidence? I think not.
It’s a shiny Levy
@@TheDecree93 yes the regular levy is pink hoodie
"Every Time I Lose Against This Treadmill It Speeds Up" sounds like a video I'd watch
31:00 Levy never fails to predict people from 2024 watches his old videos
Levy we love you please dont die of sleep deprivation
😂😂😂👍👍👍
Again huh 😂😂
We love the CONTENT WE LOVE ITTTT
LULW
@Jannes Ebeling shut up nerd
Imagine the fear in the software engineer sitting across from Kasparov
Funny story was that after Kasparov resigned Game 1 he asked the engineer what he could have done better and the engineer was like "uhhhhh..."
@@Nolaris3 like a 400 hiding behind stockfish beating a good player online today
@@VoidLantadd except he made a fucking chess engine in the 1990s so definitely several magnitudes of IQ higher than ur average cheater
Gary's instincts in the first series after that first loss seems to be to think like a computer until he's able to add his own flourishes, this is pretty amazing to see.
Levy uploads quicker than how quickly I blunder my queen.
As a guy that blundered his queen early on in a Scandinavian Defense against the 700 bot because I didn't feel like using my brain on Nelson or whoever the 1500 bot is, I felt this much more than I should.
We guess your comment deserves to be pin ..pin of shame chain
I am a 300 player, i sacrifice queen to take a pawn...
Youre gay
and even more quickly than how I finish on my queen 😏
When I heard "brute force" I realised that Kasparov was a genius. He went for the long game because there is too much to compute when you are in the endgame. That's why he only "improve his position". To get a better (and harder) position for the computer analyse. It was not a battle of chess. It was a computation stress test with chess envolved.
Modern chess engines are so hard to beat because the computer no longer computes everything like back then. It does not have to. It learns moves, positions and strategies like we do, just faster and in bigger volume.
Great video.
Stockfish still use brute force, I don’t know what you’re talking about
@@fos1451 Stockfish uses a much smarter brute force - it doesn’t check literally every possible line, it’s much better at saving computational power by only checking the best lines (this is called alpha beta pruning). This comes with the consequence that it still can’t solve some niche positions where a sacrifice has really long term benefits
@@somebodyuknow2507 Didnt deep blue do this too? It's mostly just a difference of computing power.
@@somebodyuknow2507 Move pruning has been in use since the late 70s. Algorithms have gotten better, yes, but the essential approach is still exactly the same. The only thing not "brute force" about modern stockfish (since 2020) is it's evaluation function (so the function that determines the final value of a position at the end of a tree branch). It uses machine learning, but that's it.
Me
"When you or I push 3 pawns of opposite sides of the board, we look stupid. When Garry does it, he's y'know, trying to beat a computer."
S+ tier quote.
*Mandatory comment to thank Levy for his insane upload schedule*
Mandator reply saying something stupid
Cripple glasses man
Thank you Levy‼️‼️
HEYYY, HE DID YOUR SUGGESTIONNN
*insert mandatory comment here*
30:35 "I drew a treadmill"
Just think about that for a moment
It depresses me and makes me want to quit chess, I mean, why bother?
@@rodrigornovaes you should play chess only because you want to
Gotta get dem laps in
It’s not “2024” but it is indeed 2022, almost 2023. Excited to see how your channel evolves :)
speak for yourself it's 2023 for me
@@unflexian yeah, what a nerd
It's 2024 now.
it is 2024 lol
"But nowadays a computer like deep blue can get defeated by a refrigerator" lololololol
Its true modern hand held calculators have more computing power then a room full of computers like 60yrs ago
@@noobiamyes4853 the 1990s weren't 60 years ago, I hope you know that
@@killerbug05 computers were invented in ww2
@@noobiamyes4853 fuck you on about bro?
@@vinaylalwani im not talking about strictly chess like 60 yrs ago they had rooms stuffed with computers has less proccesing power then a calculator
I remember watching these games live at work. Seemed like you had to wait forever for a move. And then several times, the web site would crash and you'd have to go on usenet to find the next move. Everyone was using Fritz to analyze the games. But you needed a fast computer. I remember there being talk about one game that Kasparov resigned which was not lost (forget if he could have drawn or won). I think it was in the rematch. The rematch was really weird. Kasparov was acting very paranoid. He was trying to get the computer out of opening book instead of playing chess. He lobbed accusations on nearly every move. It didn't send a good vibe. It was almost as if Kasparov knew he was going to lose. It was a big moment when Deep Blue won because people were asking what the future of chess was. Would people still play? It signified a new era where computers were officially better players than humans. This scared a lot of people. Not for chess. But in what would come next.
So it can be concluded that Garry was egoistic
Skynet.
Stop yapping
@@TheDarkSide69420 stop having low attention span
I would love to see a remake of this video putting on the evaluation bar. It would be fascinating to see what Stockfish thinks about all these old computer engine moves and Garry’s moves.
When I went to bed. Levy uploaded. I just woke up. Levy uploaded again. Legend.
“I drew a treadmill” - Levi
Levy
@@chikachinedum3073 Леви
Thanks for the video - It's Aug 2022 and I seeing this for the 1st time! I heard about Garry Kasparov vs Deep blue when I was in high school. Never thought I could actually "see" the matches. Thanks for sharing
Levy, please do more on these types of games vs engines. They're fascinating! Particularly the overall history and timeline where, after 2006, they effectively stopped scheduling matches because the computers were too strong
What's the last serious official human vs computer game?
@@mujtabaalam5907 hans niemann vs magnus carlsen
@@abyssmage6979 Normally that joke would be funny, but Chess youtubers have accelerated things and "Hans Niemann cheated against Magnus" jokes are already unfunny
@@mujtabaalam5907 I know I'm late, but I think Kramnik vs Deep Fritz 2006 might be it.
Deep blue: You can't beat me
Me: I know, but he can
*Garry Kasparov*
Magnus can😂
@@remarkgulane3851 big can
@Simone Miglioli He won the first time but lost the second time, that calls for a third time.
Kasparov lose the rematch though ..such a shame coz the much anticipated 3rd rematch never took place and it affected Kasparov quite a bit i think so lol
I know but he can: treadmill
30:55 Well, "Hey, I'm watching in 2024."
“It’s ugly but it does the job”
-Levy Rozman 2021
-My parents after reproducing
Me at the corner of the hood
@@radekstejskal9127 lmao
@@radekstejskal9127 rip
the last time i was this early Levy wasn't playing competitively
He still isn't I mean it isn't a preference where the classification is instant, he is going to be competing but not yet so technically he isnt competing
@@gordonramsdale stfu
@Nate Bekin I’m not talking about what he said, I’m just getting annoyed at his broken English, if you’re gonna troll somebody at least learn how to speak.
@@nado7592 If you got annoyed by their broken English you got trolled lmao, they did their job perfectly
@@theblinkingbrownie4654 you do realise that he is 100% being serious, but hes just an idiot and bad at english?
Watching in 2024 :)
Loved it
The fact that Levy drops these UFC fighters names as analogies makes him my favorite chess RUclipsr
2021: Garry Kasparov vs. Dewa Kipas
2022: AlphaGo Chess Edition vs Dewa Kipas
Hahahaha this is golden
For 7000 dollars
He was probably using the 🐟
I was caught off-guard by Levy saying you might be watching in 2024, still a great video 3 years later
Next video: The Day I Play Against a Treadmill
Yes.
Seriously if we don't get this video I'm going to be very upset
Absolutely love how Levy interacts with his viewers literally saw a comment on his last vid wanting him to do a vid on gary vs deep blue and thought that would be cool and now here it is🙂
So sick I saw that comment too
It was the Garry Kasparov vs kid Magnus Carlsen
Yes I was about to thank Levy, it's the second time he takes my suggestion! :) Funny you noticed haha!
@@davidphalen9239 yesss gang gang
Yep same, really glad to see this video
1:16 "You can no longer go to the square because you cant take ur own pieces"
ChatGPT: Hold my beer
yo yo yo wait up is that man wearing a " Deep Blue " shirt ? Levi u beauty
"I drew a treadmill"
Wait until you get beaten up by your coffee maker...
"A treadmill. I drew a treadmill." hahahahaha
"I drew a treadmill" that line is an absolute classic
This really just shows how amazing Gary Kasparov that he almost beat a computer of this caliber, and probably would have won the match if he understood this computer‘s play better
He did win the second game
A treadmill can beat me at chess, but I can outrun a chess program.
For the uninitiated (a very simplified explanation):
The principle by which the deep blue "AI" was built was mostly a combination of brute force calculation and pruning. Brute force means that you test every possible combination to a certain depth of moves and determine which move combination guarantees the best outcome. Pruning you could describe as more intelligent brute force, where you don't evaluate moves that you know beforehand are going to be bad.
What makes the alpha zero AI at the same time both less computationally intensive and so much better is that it does not hard force any solution like deep blue does, instead it is built using a so called "neural net" which most modern AI is based upon. The engine basically has a lot of parameters built in, and then it plays against itself and other AI's and adjusts each parameter each match it plays, so it basically learns pretty much like a human would without access to books or the internet, through trial and error
thank you for this info kind stranger
So maybe getting your room pawns Out First ist the best move cause of peuning Alpha Zero didnt even considers IT?! Wow
Love the content Levy. I can recommend reading Kasparov's book "Deep Thinking" which explores the two Deep Blue matches (and the complete change in attitudes for the rematch) as well as a general history of chess computers and thoughts on intelligent machines. Very interesting. Apparently the day after game 2 in 1997, Garry's team discovered that he didn't need to resign....
Thank you for your content, I found your RUclips reels after getting into chess from chesssimp's content. You have such a great personality and bring so much enthusiasm that makes it so fun to watch. The engine related stuff is very interesting to me as a cs grad. Watching in Summer 2022 :D
Awesome review, thanks. Well framed in the context of 1997. I remember that match, and being both a chess player and a software engineer I didn’t know who to cheer for. We were shocked to see Kasparov switching to closed play to beat Deep Blue.
Thank you for analyzing these games, Levi. I was only a young lad,10 yrs old when they played. I didn't have easy access to view it then, and since then it has slipped my mind to actually look the matches up and break the matches down move-for-move. I appreciate your insight and work for Gotham!
hey levy I went back to this video bc I wanted to see the analysis for these games again, and I must say, I kinda miss this kind of videos. I also like what you do right now though, I don't want you to change, but you know, it's nice to see how much channel can change in just a year
If anyone hasn't watched the Fredrik Knudsen video on the background to these games then set aside a spare 2 hours to watch the most wild chess tale you could imagine.
The story about Kasparov’s mother yelling at him from the audience when he accused the computer of cheating is amazing
"When you or I push 3 pawns on both sides, we look stupid when Garry does it.." omg 😂😂😂
Your historical deep-dives are really quite excellent. I haven't seen RUclips chess videos like this before. It's a really clever format of covering the entire 'event' in question, giving a commentary on the over-arching events, and nipping through some of the most important games. A superb format, and very informative. Thank you.
It's insane that when Levy these days tries to beat computers, he plays a hippo type set up like in 15:11, and Kasparov was already doing that in 1997.
For different reasons. Levy uses an hippo because it is what delays the game the most, forcing the cheater to use his time up and lose before the engine does anything. Kasparov used the hippo because he wanted a long game as he saw that is the weakness of the engine.
Levy would never win using an hippo against an engine these days with classical time control, as the engine would eventually break his defense open, it only works in rapid or blitz games. Then again the comparison isn't fair because today's engines are much better than deep blue was in 1996/1997
@@Obi-WanKannabis In Blitz maybe. Rapid? No way.
The look of anxiety on Levy's face when he tells the treadmill story. Are we in an early stage sci-fi dystopia?
Sometimes I consider it. All it takes is some faulty programming or a virus, and all the sudden, a bunch of our military gear starts targeting anything with a heat signature. Like... Us.
I have talked with friends and we basically agree that we're in Early Cyberpunk already. We don't have the coolest aesthetic nailed down, but all essential elements are in place.
30:24 Sure, you drew against the treadmill but something tells me it had you on the run.
Day 43 of translating the title in Italian: "Garry Kasparov contro Deep Blue: la battaglia per l'umanità".
Mi fai morire, sei su ogni video ahah
@@IlSigPin day 3 of translating the title in spanish in comments about translating the title "Garry Kasparov contra Deep Blue: la batalla de ajedrez por la Humanidad
"
"Garry Kasparov contre Deep Blue: la bataille pour l'humanité"
@@tronquitoanimations2882 day 1 of translating the title in portuguese in comments about translating the title to spanish in comments about translating the title to italian. "Garry Kasparov contra Deep Blue: a batalha de xadrez pela humanidade".
@@Pedro-op6zj day 1 of translating the title in french in comments about translating the title to portuguese in comments about translating the title to spanish in comments about translating the title in italian. "Garry Kasparov contre Deep Blue: La bataille d'échec pour l'humanité"
Plot twist: the software engineer was the one thinking of the moves and he was merely modifying the board on the pc to make it look like Deep Blue accomplished anything
30:29 Bro trained his entire life for, built his entire career on and dedicated so much time into chess, but couldn't even beat a treadmill
I think a variant of chess where you can capture your own pieces would be fascinating. Imagine the rapid development and mating patterns
chatgpt
As a stockfish developer would be interesting to have some videos about chess engines :)
I find it fascinating how simple yet extremely effective engine algorithms are.
“you cannot take you’re own pieces” chatgpt thinks otherwise
Love these videos about chess history. It would be amazing if you could cover any 'immortal games', e.g. Kasparov-Topalov or Rotlewi-Rubinstein. Thanks for the awesome content Levy!
Nah these games are covered way too much. He should look at games that other youtubers are over looking
@@Qhsjahajw They may be covered a lot already, but Levy has a unique and entertaining way of explaining games, where all players regardless of ability can follow the games and therefore be more likely to appreciate them.
I'm pretty sure Levy covered that GK vs Topalov game.
Fun fact: when the king is check-mated
he cannot move at all
Damn thanks for that fun fact
Technically the second part of that isn't completely true since it is possible for the king to have no moves without it being mate
Wow thanks
@@polytopiahu1015 yep, that’s a stalemate
Who are you, who are so wise in the ways of science?
That last game in 1996, and Kasparov suffocating the enemy play, reminds me a lot of your discussion of how AlphaZero plays. Interesting to see these themes echo.
Funny how back then you could accuse an enigne for cheating by a human brain
How the turns have tabled.
Yo thank you for taking the time to make the segments on the timeline for the youtube videos!
29:55 Brute Force has never been a computing approach for chess (except for situations with a reduced number of options such as only 7 pieces remaining) because Brute Force means trying every option till the whole decision tree has been examined. That's way too much computation. Instead a decision tree would be started (breadth first, not depth first) and it would be "pruned" that is lines that ;look less promising would be ignored. In this way the computation would be reduced to what was bearable .. and greater coverage became possible with faster computers. Also evaluation of positions(with attack counting arguments) leads to preference between positions without exploring them all the way to the end of the game. Those ways of departing from Brute Force have been around long before Machine Learning was involved.
What's ur chess rating? 500? Stop talking
@@slumz12 ?
Knowing how AI works and knowing how to play chess are completely different fields of expertise, and despite then having some limited degree of overlap, that is not a strict correlation….
You very own attempt at criticism (not based on the arguments themselves) only discloses more about your ignorance than anything else.
As well as the lack of knowledge. That guy is wrong at a few lines, but you are too dumb to even notice that, and ended up resorting to falling to the most basic logical fallacy - discrediting one’s character flaws (and not their thought process) in order to win an argument, when any other pathway to criticism is out of your reach.
Must be fun putting other people down for no reason or merit and not being called down for it…
You are disgrace to humanity. Complete monkey that throws their own filth at people and laughs at their expense, whereas, in the end, the filth’s origin was always exclusive to the likes of you.
Gary after Bishop e4 in the second game: It's evolving O_o
“There are treadmills out there that can beat us” idk why but I laughed so hard at this
February 2023 and I love watching the legendary chess engine beat the world champion for the first time. It is also very interesting how chess engines work now vs before
Last time I was this early, I didn't know how to play chess.
And nothing changed
I still dont
So yesterday?
Checkers was much fun ig
Thank you levy. U made me from an average player to a decent. Remember when u did the vids about how to improve chess players well THAT CAME IN CLUTCH. My rating was 900 to 1600 . Your annotations on the GM games was like a war and it was sooooo entertaining. I learnt so much and it was all because of u. The opening videos made me fearless( unless it is an opponent like u) but anyway U are my chess idle and I did only 25 puzzles and I took my time which totally worth it. I wish u the best of luck in your upcoming futures. love from the united kingdom
Watching in January 2023, and I gotta tell you that chess is booming like crazy. Everyone startted playing chess for no reason. Pretty good time to start playing chess, dont'cha think.
Waited for this for a long time, thanks Gotham!
When he said:
"I DREW... THE TREADMILL..."
it immediately made me smile xD
Why, is the treadmill a friend of yours?
@@psychohist is this supposed to be sarcastic?
31:01 “hey im watching in 2024” well that escalated quickly
Hi Gotham, huge fan. This might be buried under all the comments but you really encouraged me to keep playing. Keep doing this!
Same feeling 😂
Some background on this story, Kasparov had access to Deep Blue logs after first encounter and could analyze it's logic. But when asked on second encounter (where he accused of cheating) they never gave him the log, also immediately dismanteled the machine and gave it to museum. Some people theoretize, that IBM wanted stock rise and be famous, so they most likely could've cheat with great minds behind the doors as they needed to revenge Kasparov to gain trust/attraction from investors. What do you think?
That makes sense
Read „Behind Deep Blue“ to learn the whole story from the other side of the table.
31:00 oh god, he knows...
Can we just take a second to appreciate that he puts time stamps
Levy Rozman: Grandmaster of Uploads
Fantastic! Much better than many content on netflix!! Amazing the way you told the story! Thanks!
“And in that position, the computer resigned” 😎
Same energy as "after four days of agonizing pain, the snake died".
"I drew a treadmill", somewhere now there's a whole lot of treadmills being drawn playing chess and being r34'd.
31:00 how did you know I was watching in 2024? HOW!!!
Is it Kasparov week? Lol
Enjoying the series tho