VATSIM Tutorial: Arrival Communications - from Cruise to Shutdown + Emergencies!
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- Опубликовано: 17 май 2014
- In this video: communications during an IFR arrival from cruising level until parked at the gate.
By watching this video you will learn the basic phraseology that's being used during an IFR arrival while flying an airliner from A to B. Also a quick look at the phraseology that's being used during an emergency situation. Remember, this is an example flight in Europe. The phraseology might be slightly different in your country/continent.
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Thanks! Really helpful. Spent 1+ hours on these series videos. Very organized and well-cut tutorial.
+dayworkhard Glad it helped, thanks! :)
Yes, that's how it is in RL, plan for an arrival procedure but expect to get radar vectors. A well done video (I spent 20 years flying around Europe in a 757, including into Krakow and Frankfurt).
I love Europe’s “bye bye”
Haha. I just say “good day” or “good night” in the US.
Decided to use something generic, usually I try to say hi and goodbye in the country's language I'm flying in.
Decided to use something generic, usually I try to say hi and goodbye in the country's language I'm flying in.
That was a hard landing.
lol I wish I had this sound quality on VATSIM
You do now
This is so new to me but hopefully I will get after going to flight school. :)
Good luck! :)
@chidragon 60 There are some basic statistics on that on the web, but with flight planners like professional flight planner X you can already calculate your fuel usage in a very accurate way.
Brilliant thanks, attempting my first vatsim flight later today
this is the best vid ever the explanation is all simple and clear loved it very much keep it up btw subscribed and liked !
Thanks!
je bent echt geweldig man, k hou van je videos. ik ben nu bezig met mn opleiding en over 2 jaar ga ik de voorafgaande tests doen bij klm flight academy. ik kan niet wachten tot ik zelf ik de lucht zit
Thanks! Haha, succes! :)
You don't change QNH to the local QNH. You change QNE to QNH :)
Great videos btw!
Roger that! Thanks for the info and thanks for watching! :)
Thank you for making this video I’ve got a lot information ♥️
You’re welcome!
This is so good i am sad i didnt see this video a while ago i control approach and it is almost correct i heared some small mistakes that are phrasiology about ATC
Pan Pan Medico or Pan Pan Medical is no longer used and the ICAO do not class it as a type of emergency or urgent situation
Thanks for the info!
Good stuff. Thank you very much. (I love FS2004 LOL)
Do you have or do you intend to make any videos regarding a missed approach?
Yeah maybe!
how do you determine the fuel endurance or where can that info be found? thx
Quick questions:
Who would you ask to descend if there wasn't approach controller on the server?
Also, if there wasn't a ground controller then would you taxi to a gate by yourself?
Lastly, on long flights, there usually isn't atc all the way so when do you contact approach?
thanks,
a pilot getting ready for 1st flight
Wuyou Xie Nobody, you just start the descent yourself as soon as you reach your top of descend. Same for the ground situation, yes you taxi to a gate yourself. The next controller will notify you when to contact him, or you can check via Vatspy or Servinfo where active controllers are and contact them accordingly.
AviationPro Thanks for the quick reply.
Oh man that was a hard landing (slam down)
These videos and the q&a in the comments have been very helpful. One question; I take off IFR in a location where there is no active ATC. Do I squawk 2200 until first contact and ask for clearance upon first contact?
Thank you! Yes, you just squawk 2200 until first contact. When you contact ATC, you will usually not receive any flight plan clearance anymore, you will just receive a squawk code ;)
I love your videos AviationPro and i had a question. Do you always have to request for descent when you are with a centre frequency or will atc give you descent instructions later on during your flight?
Also i dont know if you use the Quality Wings 757 but how do you descend to a given altitude by atc with VNAV turned on and there is set altitiudes in the FMC.
PunOne thanks
Hi, thanks! It depends a bit, sometimes ATC will already clear you to a lower altitude, or ATC says 'when ready, descent to FL...' which means that you start your descent at your T/D, whenever that is. If you reach your T/D within like 2 minutes, and you did not receive a descent clearance yet, you indeed have to ask for it yourself. You can still use VNAV, but just put in the altitude the controller gave you in the MCP. VNAV will automatically stop at that altitude. If you can descend further, you put the new lower altitude in the MCP, push the Altitude select knob, and VNAV will continue descent again.
AviationPro Thank you for your help
I am asking about streaming in respect of the Pilot Edge air traffic control utility? Is streaming involved with regard to Pilot Edge use? Does Pilot Edge have a fully functional ACARS? Would you see visually other traffic on your computer monitor/ screen and on your airplane's TACAS vsi instrument when on or using Pilot Edge? I ask if streaming is involved as there must be some kind of screen capture software working on all participants computers to record each airplane's position on the built-in database map of the flight simulator program that it may be displayed to other aircraft traffic within the Pilot Edge air traffic control system. How is other traffic determined and hence displayed to participant traffic on Pilot Edge if streaming is not involved?
Hi, i got one question about the altitude, i read in some websites that We say FL only when we are above a certain altitude, don't really remember it but i think it's 25,000 ft? So i would like to know on this point, Do we have to say FL or just go and say the altitude ex : "15000"
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TaDy Drift 10000ft and over is FL, I think.
Hello, A question. I do not own any payware yet, and I am preparing my first flight, but as I do not have any good displays, how would I know all the waypoints in the air, while my display is not showing it. Thanks for any responses
That's going to be hard without having a payware addon with a FMC using an up-to-date AIRAC cycle. But for your first flight I wouldn't even suggest to fly IFR like that. It's best to start slow with some easy VFR flights for example. aviationpro.nl/vatsim/tips-tricks/#new%20pilots
how do you know what your descent rate should be?
So when Warsaw radar said, "SKAVI 1B arrival" I understand that it's the STAR. But does that mean the ATC chooses the STAR for you, or do you have to choose your STAR in advance before even taking off?
+MrEdwardGaming Yes they choose the STAR for you, although in most cases you can already judge which STAR you get based on the last waypoint on your flight plan. Some waypoints can have multiple STARS for example, in that case you need to wait for ATC to tell you which STAR you are supposed to fly ;)
+AviationPro Whoa you're very quick at replying! Thank you. :)
+MrEdwardGaming You're welcome! :)
But a STAR can also be part of the initial flight plan, right? Meaning, you could choose it when you file, as long as it gets approved. Am I correct? If that's the case, can the ATC change your STAR anyway once you are getting close? Thanks
10:12 you killed every one!
Are you ever doing a @stand confirmation, like "'Flight1234 at stand 11, thank you, good bye" -> click disconnect; just to let him know that he doesnt have to worry about you anymore?
+Monsieur Longbow Yes, I always do that actually. Not sure if they really do that in real life (probably not, because frequencies are busy enough), but it's always polite to do so.
OK so i have a question that couldnt be answered on the vatsim forums. Im fairly new to flying on Vatsim with the PMDG 737 and one of my main concerns is being given a different arrival approach than i anticipated, so with that being said when exactly should i input the arrival/star into my FMC? or how would i change the arrival rnway if i already have inputted it into the FMC?
This is just what I personally do: I ALWAYS plan an arrival procedure based on what runway I expect to be active. This will allow me to calculate a more accurate time of arrival, more accurate fuel consumption calculation, and a more accurate top of descent. That's because in most cases, any approach procedure will always take you some more time and miles before you land on the runway. Take a good look at the weather to see which runway is likely to be active. And if you need to change the approach last-minute: no problem: just select a new STAR and approach in the FMC, review the missed approach procedure, minimums and vREF etc. ATC will most likely give you your landing runway when providing a descent clearance, or at least in the early phase of your descent, so you should have plenty of time to change if necessary.
What does it mean to "descend Fl-80"?
It means to descend to Flight Level 80, that's an altitude. It's basically 8000 feet using the standard pressurre setting of 1013 hectopascals.
Sorry, but who are you contacting before you switch to Warsaw radar?
Nice video!
I just started flying on vatsim but i encountered a problem.
From gate to cruise is going fine. But then i would conact London_twr, when reaching T/D and they gave me a handsoff to unicom and said no further atc information available.
For the rest of the flight they would not contact me anymore?!
How do i make clear i want to land at an airport?
Thanks! TWR is not controlling the airspace all the way through your T/D. Only CTR or APP do that, so TWR could not provide ATC over there and sent you back to UNICOM. Best moment to contact TWR (if TWR is the only controller online) is when you are established on the ILS.
+AviationPro Thanks.
Question: I have heard it said many times to write it down, but as fast as they speak is it possible to write it all down and then repeat back? How much time do we have before we have to acknowledge?
There's not much time I'm afraid, that's why it's important to visit small, not-busy airports first and to put something in the remarks like 'new pilot' so they know you will take a bit longer. Also during the VATSIM First Wings events the controllers allow more time for everything.
Regarding the writing down: just write down keywords and use abbreviations wherever possible, it's impossible to write everything down 'live' what they say.
Who do you tune to at the top of decent?
+Matthew Moran Depends on the ATC availability. Usually ATC will send you a "contact me", so you don't have to worry about it that much. If there's no ATC you simply start the descent yourself.
Its beautiful.
What is this aircraft?
I mean its a boeing 777 but which develepoer's product is it?
Thanks! No, this is a 767-300ER developed by Level-D Simulations with some custom VC textures :)
what websites are best to get airport charts, terminal charts and those types of charts for vatsim.
Check out this video: ruclips.net/video/zFsA9yS1Ml8/видео.html
What do you do if you don't have the star or sid that they give you?
You should have the SID or STAR they give you. It either means you do not have up-to-date charts or you have outdated AIRAC data, it's your own responsibility to update those. If you can't, inform ATC that you need to fly the old SID or STAR.
If both engines were to cut out on approach, you land. What next? Would you simply disconnect or what? Liking the videos btw ;)
***** Well yes, there's not much you can do at that point. If you want to simulate that the airplane is being towed off of the runway you could always use slew mode of course :P
Hahaha thanks for replying! ;)
Thank you for the video lesson. But on Vatsim the ATC usually speak much faster than shown on this video. I wish they speak normal speed like this video so im able to understand them smoothly.
You’re welcome! Try to visit airports that are not that busy, so they can take more time for you. Also the audio quality is vastly improved and more realistic since this video 😉
@@AviationPro Thank you I'm gonna try it.
Soooo... What about when you do a ILS App? Same things with just some ILS clearences ?:)
+1337MiRan. Yes, ATC will usually vector you and at some point will say: KLM123, turn left heading 100, cleared ILS approach runway 07", that's it :)
+AviationPro That's what i thought !:) Thank you for this fast reply. Love all your videos btw helped me a lot! :))
Thanks, you're welcome! :)
I have a doubt.As ATC,once you have cleared a traffic a VOR/DME Approach,don't you have to tell him to report with the rwy in sight? Because the VOR/DME isn't a high precission aproach.
It's not a requirement since you will have to continue visual after the minimums anyway. If you don't have the runway in sight by then you should execute a go-around. If the runway is in sight early in the approach already (like in this video) you could tell ATC that you have the field in sight and that you would like to continue a visual approach. Also, when ATC asks you to report runway in sight you will also have to comply with that of course! :)
Roger! I asked because a use to fly & control on IVAO and trainers told me that I have to say to report rwy in sight with VOR/DME or Visual app.But of course,if the weather is good and you see the rwy at the start of the app,then it's not necessary,I understand jaja.
PD: I recommend you to fly to Spain.On VATSIM there's no much control but some airports are really great like LEPA or LEBB jaja
What if the case is that you have a add on plane and it randomly sets a failure. (Example Random Engine Fire without setting a failure)
Well I would turn that off first of all, if you can't, you just need to declare an emergency, but be prepared to log off the VATSIM network if the controller doesn't fancy handling an emergency during a busy event for example. On a non-event night there's a better chance, but when the airport is overloaded with traffic it is not always fun for the controller to have to deal with such situations while dealing with things like text pilots etc.
AviationPro Thanks for the info
What does QNH mean?
It's a so called Q code which represents the barometric pressure that's currently present. So a QNH 1013 means that the barometric pressure is currently 1013 hectopascals, and you have to enter this into your altimeters in order for them to display the correct altitude.
Ok thank you for the quick response I now know something new and useful to know
Can I commit ILS landing when I am told to do VOR?
You could, but it's not very realistic and you will have lower minima than the controller expects you to have, which might not be very handy when you have to make a go-around for example.
So what is inbound padka? Is that a waypoint you are at?
Yes it is a waypoint, watch the departure video: ruclips.net/video/2D_J4GUNI_c/видео.html
sorry!! What do you exactly mean by "inbound Padka"??
+Patricia García PADKA is a waypoint, if you report your position you can tell the controller which waypoint you are currrently inbound to. :)
In this video do you used vpilot
+swedishgamer I was not actually connected to the VATSIM network, but normally I use Squawkbox.
Tower told you to turn heading 290 after kak but you started turning earlier ... can you explain ..nice video btw
Video timing was a bit off ;)
You have no idea how much your videos help me .. thank you very much :)
How come I never had someone speaking with such good voice quality in VATSIM ? Everytime I give it a try I end up with someone speaking through a pillow or something and is barely audible...
If you can't hear them properly you should tell them! Then they can take care of it. Other ways to improve the quality is by wearing a headset with just the ATC communications coming through and by disabling VHF simulation if that is possible with your pilot client.
I thought this was LOT not RyanAir?
at 16:10, what does it mean by KAK?
It's a VOR
8:13 heading one zero zero or heading one hundred ?
When this video was made one zero zero, but nowadays it's one hundred. Same for flight levels: flight level three hundred.
Hasan Dikici that’s the same thing.
how to get vatism in fsx????????????? can u help
Please read some documentation: vatsim.net
How do you know how many passengers there are in an emergency
You should have received a passenger list or at least a passenger number on the flight plan and you should know the size of the crew, that way you can determine the amount of soulds on board.
Is that in the vpilot flight plan page when on the simconnect thing
It's on the place you planned your flight. SimBrief etc
is there any risk in using vatism???
Maybe high blood pressure when stressing yourself out during your first flights, but that's about it.
Hey a question, what will happen if ATC doesn't clear you for landing 08:55, I mean he said number two but the other plane doesn't land. What should you do?
thanks
+Mr. Yasko If you don't get clearance you have to go around. Then you follow the go around procedure according to the charts. Also contact tower that you're going around.
Ask if you are cleared to land. You will most likely have to go around.
what 767 is this?
The Level-D Boeing 767.
How did you get the database?
Which database?
Databases about the waypoint and the ACARS. when I downloaded FS9 and its level-D then I saw nothing in the ACARS monitor
You need to download AIRAC data from navigraph.com, but there should also be an AIRAC cycle that came with the product.
Is it Level-D or Captain Sim?
Level-D
Roger. Didn't even knew that you will even reply to this comment at this time. Bay the way, this video is really useful
I try to reply to every comment ;). Thanks!
10:12 ouch
Ryanair style
Do you actually fly in real life? :)
Nope, not yet at least! :)
good day , bye bye count..
bye bye lol
Bye!