4:21-4:28 My opinion on why Lydia loves Petra: In my opinion, she knows that she must preserve her authority among her spouse and most of the other people in her life, especially her professional life. Whereas with Petra, because of her innocence and not yet succumbing to the real world problems and responsibilities, this innocence she has and ultimately her ability to love Lydia truthfully, without strings attached, makes Lydia love her truthfully as well.
First, Petra isn’t just Sharon’s daughter. She is THEIR daughter. Second, Nina Hoss truly shines in this film ‘cause she didn’t need much lines on the script to perform her character magnificently. Thanks for pointing that out.
* An artist can become a dictator. In some instances that may be necessary. But a dictatorship can be overthrown. * The existential journey of the artist intertwines with the existential journeys of protégés, colleagues and at times, members of the audience. There are multiple blended journeys. * No matter how hard the artist covers up the history of their past, they cannot eliminate their current history from the present. * The attempted control exerted by the artist is limited.
What is interesting about Tar is how its subject matter mirrors the meta view of the film. I think the audience thought it was much more nuanced than the creators intended, judging by their comments. For instance, most people thought Tar clearly won the debate she had with the student about the classic composers. The video that starts her downfall was clearly manipulated and seems to be done out of spite because they just did not like her views rather than because of any allegation of abuse. Also, although I appreciate the movie did show the hard to challenge ways she could have her way in the orchestra, I read Olga as gleefully taking advantage of Tar's attraction until she had her downfall and then clearly and rather meanly abandoned her in New York. But the cast and director seem to think that it was much more clearer to them that Tar was 100% in the wrong. I also think this setting is the hardest to make definitive statements about because unlike just working in some company, the whole orchestra is kind of, by necessity, reliant on a great artist who by the nature of being an artist, can be difficult or temperamental and know that you have to stay in the subjective good graces of one person. There can be lots of hidden biases that make you favor one person to another that are unfair, but they kind of "signed up" for that by taking the job. Even in this movie, it is muddled more by the older violinist who they wanted to replace and you could ask is that "fair"? That unfairness is seen as too bad, the way it is, but then the other unfairness that brings her down is not? That makes you think.
Do u think Tár ever felt remorse for what she did to the students she manipulated? I watched the movie a couple months ago, but from what I remember, she only seemed sorry that she failed as a “great musician” and that she wasn’t this amazing conductor and all that. She cries at her childhood home because her dream didn’t turn out the way SHE wanted. She has a breakdown on stage and punches that guy because SHE isn’t the one conducting. Throughout the whole movie she is throwing others under the bus to cover her own tracks. Do you think she ever felt true guilt for the things she did?
I read it very similarly to you. I think all of it revolves around what she has lost. I don’t think she thinks about other people in any way. The parallel that I noticed was that she is a completely different person from who she was growing up. Maybe in that life she would feel some sort of remorse or humility. But she obliterated that version of herself for her art. Thank you for the thoughtful comment!
I watched it last night and I think yes she does feel guilty we can see it in the massage place scene when she looks at the girl in eye and throw up but I don't think she was a bad conductor or she failed in any sense in her job she was amazing as a conductor and that's why she was doing it too at the end. And i think that was a major theme of the movie can we separate the art from the artist cause Lydia's music is actually good that's why she was a Maestro and that was truly deserving I think.
I think she’s tough to beat at the Academy Awards this year, but overall it’s a solid bunch of actors that were nominated. I still think this is her award to lose!
You are doing too much. You are doing to much that you missed the movie. No one rushes to grab their seats any more. and Yeah you missed the movie, Less is more.
4:21-4:28 My opinion on why Lydia loves Petra:
In my opinion, she knows that she must preserve her authority among her spouse and most of the other people in her life, especially her professional life. Whereas with Petra, because of her innocence and not yet succumbing to the real world problems and responsibilities, this innocence she has and ultimately her ability to love Lydia truthfully, without strings attached, makes Lydia love her truthfully as well.
Great observations! You are probably on the right track with that
Dificil no caer en la tentación estando Lydia Tar rodeada de mujeres hermosas,siendo ella tan talentosa y poderosa
First, Petra isn’t just Sharon’s daughter. She is THEIR daughter.
Second, Nina Hoss truly shines in this film ‘cause she didn’t need much lines on the script to perform her character magnificently. Thanks for pointing that out.
You did a great take! I only saw it once but it definitely warrants a rewatch
I can’t wait for my next!
* An artist can become a dictator. In some instances that may be necessary. But a dictatorship can be overthrown.
* The existential journey of the artist intertwines with the existential journeys of protégés, colleagues and at times, members of the audience. There are multiple blended journeys.
* No matter how hard the artist covers up the history of their past, they cannot eliminate their current history from the present.
* The attempted control exerted by the artist is limited.
What is interesting about Tar is how its subject matter mirrors the meta view of the film. I think the audience thought it was much more nuanced than the creators intended, judging by their comments. For instance, most people thought Tar clearly won the debate she had with the student about the classic composers. The video that starts her downfall was clearly manipulated and seems to be done out of spite because they just did not like her views rather than because of any allegation of abuse. Also, although I appreciate the movie did show the hard to challenge ways she could have her way in the orchestra, I read Olga as gleefully taking advantage of Tar's attraction until she had her downfall and then clearly and rather meanly abandoned her in New York. But the cast and director seem to think that it was much more clearer to them that Tar was 100% in the wrong.
I also think this setting is the hardest to make definitive statements about because unlike just working in some company, the whole orchestra is kind of, by necessity, reliant on a great artist who by the nature of being an artist, can be difficult or temperamental and know that you have to stay in the subjective good graces of one person. There can be lots of hidden biases that make you favor one person to another that are unfair, but they kind of "signed up" for that by taking the job. Even in this movie, it is muddled more by the older violinist who they wanted to replace and you could ask is that "fair"? That unfairness is seen as too bad, the way it is, but then the other unfairness that brings her down is not? That makes you think.
Very nice observations! What I love about art (especially the visual medium) is that even the creator’s own intentions are often lost on an audience.
Great video! Loved you take on this. Tár is such a fascinating movie.
Appreciate the comment! Thank you.
Adored hearing your take on this incredibly complex film!
Thank you for the comment!
Do u think Tár ever felt remorse for what she did to the students she manipulated? I watched the movie a couple months ago, but from what I remember, she only seemed sorry that she failed as a “great musician” and that she wasn’t this amazing conductor and all that. She cries at her childhood home because her dream didn’t turn out the way SHE wanted. She has a breakdown on stage and punches that guy because SHE isn’t the one conducting. Throughout the whole movie she is throwing others under the bus to cover her own tracks. Do you think she ever felt true guilt for the things she did?
I read it very similarly to you. I think all of it revolves around what she has lost. I don’t think she thinks about other people in any way. The parallel that I noticed was that she is a completely different person from who she was growing up. Maybe in that life she would feel some sort of remorse or humility. But she obliterated that version of herself for her art. Thank you for the thoughtful comment!
@@theburrowmedia yesssss that makes perfect sense… and of course I loved the video
I watched it last night and I think yes she does feel guilty we can see it in the massage place scene when she looks at the girl in eye and throw up but I don't think she was a bad conductor or she failed in any sense in her job she was amazing as a conductor and that's why she was doing it too at the end. And i think that was a major theme of the movie can we separate the art from the artist cause Lydia's music is actually good that's why she was a Maestro and that was truly deserving I think.
Tár is ART
Excellent observations.
Nice review, so in depth. What'd you think of Blanchett's performance?
I think she’s tough to beat at the Academy Awards this year, but overall it’s a solid bunch of actors that were nominated. I still think this is her award to lose!
@@theburrowmedia Agree
Fantastic video
Thank you! We will have more video essays coming soon.
@@theburrowmedia *subbed*
Yes Ezra Miller wants to know..
Lol
😂
You are doing too much. You are doing to much that you missed the movie. No one rushes to grab their seats any more. and Yeah you missed the movie, Less is more.
It certainly wasn’t a literal statement. Just a metaphor for my excitement. Thanks for the comment!