Le Mans and The Kink curve.wmv
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Le Mans had from the beginning the longest straight of all, the Mulsanne straight, and near the end of it, a flat-out curve, The Kink. But since 1990 no longer was the same, and the Mercedes C9 winner of 1989 were the last to pass it at 400 Km/h, day and night.
From 1:59 and beyond, this is the best ever video of motors sports ever recorded.
Period....
agree.
If only it was zoomed out more
@@thebritishpig nah it’s perfect quite literally, feels like you’re floating right about the cars and they’re flying under you, fantastic!
1:58 is magic and shocking, the sound when the c11 is passing by. It is blowing my mind
Its C9
@@09TYPER thanks you are right
That shot at 2 mins is possibly the greatest footage ever filmed at Le Mans
I want this to be the case when GT1/LMDH comes back this year (supposedly)
Absolutely beautiful
It's like lava field with cars
They're was a better quality shot of it but I can't find it anymore
It's awe-inspiring. Watching them stampede down the stretch, sauber's charging on ahead of the pack with the porsche's closing in and the rest of the field vying for position. And then listening to the engines screaming
2:19 - 2:41.What a soundtrack! Especially from the Mercedes', Jaguars, Mazda's and the Aston Martin!
The coolest kink in motorsport.
Interlagos would like to say hi....
@@Minx5892 And Spa Francorchamps!
@@Minx5892 No kink-shaming please!
The sounds those Group C cars produced, Jesus Christ. It sound more like an air raid then a race.
01:56 Surreal! 787B rotary engine and C9 V8 twin turbo engine.
That there would be the 767b...the 787 was 1991
Jag v12!!!!
Merc>>>mazda
Russell Brown I was there in 1991 - thing literally screamed past each lap
@@russellbrown8377 Correct, @2:31 you can see it's the #202 car with, a bit blurry, "CHARGE'' sponsoring. We all know, the 1991 Lemans winner had #55 and "RENOWN" sponsoring.................
The Group C cars are so fast man, it makes the GT2 cars look astronomically slow
you can hear the sound of the 787B's between all the others....
You can't because it is not 787B but 767(B).
deggis4 that was the 787b before they withdrew them to the 767(B) because the 767 did not win any le man racing but the 787b's did
@@sagenthesergal the Mazda 787B ran in 1991. in 1989, it was the Mazda 767B. similar sounding, but different shape. especially at the front
@2:30 you can see a 2 of the #202 car and you can see, a bit blurry, the "CHARGE" sponsoring. The 1991 Lemans winner had #55 and "RENOWN" sponsoring.
BTW, @2:39 the 2nd ''CHARGE'' sponsored Mazda with #201.
You guys are splitting hairs... they were both great sounding and awesome cars so why argue about it
It would have been nice and fair to at least mention in this footage the forever top speed record holder in the Mulsanne straight aka the WM-Peugeot during the 1988 edition, at 407km/h... The hell with the chicanes!
Right. I doubt even that other group C cars attained 400 as the WM made its setup in function of breaking the 400 barrier, and succeeded. Never was mentionned at the time (I was 23 then) that other cars broke that barrier too. Probably they did get to 395, so OK for it being rounded up in this vid :-)
Sebastian, te lo dico con la massima sincerità, tu sei veramente UN GRANDE ad aver dedicato un video alla Kink curve !!!!!!!!!!!!
How is this video 12 years old and I've never seen it before lol? Great video.
If anyone struggles to understand what Group C was all about, why it was so special from 1:59 minutes forwards. That shot from 1989 (I was there and in 1990 too) the last time the full Mulsane was used is all you need to see. That's it, summed up.
That first guy in the Jag sounds like German commedian Henning Wehn!
Also, that sim bit at the end... I thought the car was going to take off for a second there!
that guy is Mike Hawthorn lol
This was awesome!! Do more videos of in-car cameras from the group C days at le mans! What's now the Porsche curves was once "Maison Blanche" (White House) because... Well, there was a white house next to the road. Lol... But there are many other awesome places on the track - I would love to see more full - lap videos from those AWESOME Group C cars!
That 787B at 2:34 sounds amazing!
Pretty sure that is the 767 but I could be wrong...
@@crysomlm4642 I'm nothing close to an expert, so I'll assume you're probably right. 😉
@@geraldleatherman1899 Knowing how incredibly loud that thing is, it's also astonishing how loud all the other cars were roaring
767
The 🍒on those drivers!
Apparently drivers were reporting that the speeds were they could feel slight lift off at times!
Different times, balls of steel!
there's 2 things that are wrong in this video. first, the Sauber C9 did not go at 400kph in the race. it was in practice/qualifying. by cranking up the turbo to the max, reducing the engine's reliability. in the race, it was around 380kph. the top speed in the race was done by Jaguar with a speed of 389kph. 2ndly, the Ferrari never got up to 320kph. that speed is for the LMP1 and maybe LMP2 at the time. the GT1 were mostly doing like 310kph maximum
One question, can you tell me how to find the video at 3:12? Please
No the top speed in that race was set by a Peugeot which went 400kmh
The limiting factor was that Group C used fuel limits. They allocated 2,500 litres of fuel for the race and not a drop more. The Sauber drivers used 7,000 rpm in practice and 6,500 rpm in the race, except on the straight.
@@aydankhaliq2967 The Peugeot did 405.
@@aydankhaliq2967 the top speed of the Peugeot which was at 415kph but advertised as 405kph was set in 1988 during the race. the Sauber C9 did the 400 mark in 1989. it was not the same race
400 km/h happened once in practice for the 1989 race. They were never that fast in the race, save for that bloody Peugeot the previous year at 405.
WM 88 (Peugeot) did 407 km/h
Dort Kommen Die Clowns 405 and it blew up. It’s one of the great “so what’s?” Of motorsport. The ACO used to record maximum speeds every year. Here is the list from 1961 to 1990:
www.mulsannescorner.com/maxspeed.htm
I mean they literally only went there for the record supposedly. That was one of the big USP's of the event.
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks USPs?
Bom dia !!!!!!
Cara, que vídeo incrível.
Sei que éra muito perigoso, mas mesmo sabendo dos riscos, éra uma adrenalina fantástica.
Que velocidade absurda.
Bom demais, só saudades........
Muito obrigado pelo vídeo e parabéns pelo canal.
Abraço do Brasil.......
767B sounds the best. ROTARY ENGINE!
All the cars vroom vroom, Mazda 787b nyeeeon
2:31 ......a sea of cars and i would recognize this sound anywhere.Only Mazda :)
Great video
Very sweet. Thank you!
Intresting footage! Thanks!!
5 speed 402 kmh at 7720rpm
The record holder is WM 88 v6 bi turbo (Peugeot), 407 km/h.
Internet myth. These are the official figures. www.mulsannescorner.com/maxspeed.htm
@@thethirdman225 it’s listed as 405 due to Peugeot wanting to help advertise their launching of the Peugeot 405 at the time
Either war, that speed is face melting
@@SeanCampbell_iRacing The figure was provided by the ACO, not Peugeot.
Scary as shit
Health & safety ruins everything.
the curve its named the what?
They weren't at 400 kmh during the race, or the engine wouldn't last aven 6 hours, the turbo compression would be too high for long range race. No comment about the 575M...
Just imagine what it would have been like if the 917/30 ever went there
@@ender8850 they'd never find all the pieces.
It had little or nothing to do with the reliability of the engine. Nobody understands what Group C was about. It was a *fuel allocation* formula. That's right: an economy run. Hippes, greenies and tree-huggers rejoice. It was not an engine free-for-all. The Mercedes engine was not actually that highly tuned - 720 hp with 1.6 at a of boost. Any higher than that and the engine would simply use too much fuel. The 400 km/h run - done by Kenny Acheson in practice - was not fast enough for pole. That honour went to Jean-Louis Schlesser. Top speed clearly is not everything.
Marshalls and data provided by ACO said the c9 was regularly clocking 395+ at Mulsanne
...except the 917's...
2:32 for the R26B fans
Full video of 2:00 is
ruclips.net/video/AtnHY00j_-g/видео.htmlsi=1SV95siFbqCHSgXg
2:00 man könnte meinen, die habens eilig :-)
blame *FIA*
You mean ACO?
Nothing to do with the FIA or the ACO. The chicanes were introduced in 1990 because the drivers campaigned to have them. They were the ones risking their necks and they were right.
@@thethirdman225 and also their lives.
AnotherFoxBoy Yeah, that what I meant by risking their necks.
0:39 240mph my ass
400
Merc. took it at 409
No it didn’t.
When race drivers were real men .That straight used to be the best thing about le mans Now its not worth watching.
Peugeot did 407 but for the moment they had lied and Said 405 for the brand New car
1:59 is gorgeous footage, one of the best racing clips you’ll see
i love that in the clip at 1:59 you can hear when the mazda rotaries pass
Love the 'hotrod' sound of those Mercedes V8's!!
panzr try listening to the Aston Martin amr1 much louder
2:37 you hear the hefty AMR1 N/A V8. I'd have loved to have heard the AMR2 6.9Lt V8 but sadly it was cancelled.
1:46 just imagine the bravery that if anyone take that kink in those group C cars at 400 km/h flat out
1:57 me and the boys going to hell after committing war crimes during the yugoslav war
Tbf, who hasn't?
1988,89. Hell yeah. 1990 with 2 chicanes unfortunately. Hell naaah
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The time of Group C is just Special!
I was watching it as a little kid in the 80s 90s and even knowing ZERO about technical or aero stuff, i was so amazed by the cars the shape the speeds! WOW!
Golden Era of Motorsport
crazy to think that modern motorsport is in mamy ways behind the 1980s as in challenge levels
1:59 best footage ever!
Sauber C9 Mercedes - my favorite motorsports car hands down.
Bom dia.
Também é um dos meus favoritos.
Abraço do Brasil.......
@1:06 Why are these cars parked on the racetrack?
Lower class
They're not parked, they're just slower
It's sarcasm
@@aydankhaliq2967 😏
Such a waste. If these chicanes have been added it's primarily because the FIA has decreed it will no longer approve a circuit with a straight line of more than 2 km. Despite this, Mark Blundell reached 366 km/h in qualifying for the 1990 24 Hours.
Yes, FIA is ruining motorsport with al their rules. All cars and tracks are similar now.
Mark Blundell had a stuck wastegate, that is why he did 366km/h in his Nissan.
those mercedes and aston martin i believe it was v8s sounded so distinct. i kinda wish motorsport had more engine variety these days but its been a long time since theres been a top level v8 at le mans the last i can think of is the panoz esperante gt1 but i will admit the corvette v8s (pre c8) has a godlike noise
You're in luck, this year's Le Mans Hypercars has Glickenhaus Racing, which fields 2 cars with twin turbo V8s, so you'll get that thunderous turbo noises again.
@@izzdin6228 Nah. These monsters were of a different breed. Modern engines with their stricter regulation guidelines will probably never able replicate the sound those Group C cars made, ever again.
Still, I think it will be a great sound, but different. Probably not on par with Gr.C or GT1 though.
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks I'll wait and see. If it sounds like the Bentley gt3 car with louder turbo noises, I'll be a happy lad.
When raceing was cool and noisy
its a shame they put those chicanes in..really ruined 1 one the most fun and amazing aspects of le mans..
The risk of driving at those speeds is what brought the romance of the sport. I don't think safety can be guaranteed, even today.
its about racing, not safety, if you want to be safe, stay home!
@@NoogDeNoog Its about racing not killing people.
What? Only used your logic.
Would love to have no chicanes, but to be honest adding the chicanes adds the difficulty of braking at the right time and you can get a move done easily if you get it right. Le mans doesn't have that many corners as it is.
NoogDeNoog in practice the Mercedes c9 reached 400 km in racing the jaguar reached 389 km
Are you sad that the 2nd chicane was put into place?
I'm sad for both chicanes, imagine what they could do with modern technology in that giant main straight, would be marvelous!
Turteng Spaghnhoff I would do nothing for the racing. I’m much sadder about the Dunlop curve than the Mulsanne straight.
@2:20 two V8 hammers, some ordenairy piston engines and in between, quad rotor, quad rotor, quad rotor........
hey the last video its my video from the old game f1 challenge mod prototype c
well that's ok i'm glad to see it into your video men
and i agree with you the kink at 400 km/h was an amazing racin era to bad that never coming back.
Bom dia !!!!
Você é brasileiro ???
Grande abraço.......
Imagine being at that corner at 2:00 looking down the straight with that noise gradually getting closer. That had to be exhilarating!!
I like it kinky
Love this
crazy that the Ford GT is already doing more than hypercars do these days
Mate was that a ps1 game you are playing or something 😂
They truly ruined a good thing!
1:57 this should already have been for the second le mans movie in '88 (after '71)
1:56-2:41 - yup....
It really came down to who had a bigger set of balls.
No longer the exciting kink, now just a light right turn, passing by it merely at 180/200 km/h. Oh well, safety, safety, safety, thats all folks...
@@michaelanastasio2977 The chicanes were added in 1990, Mercedes' crashes occurred in 1999 and on a different part of the circuit. They're literally not related.
"Merely"
Its faster than most of us have gone ever. Sad that the straight is gone, but do you really want to have the drivers go straight for 24hrs? There's tons more straights that aren't ruined by chicanes on the track so its not like they can't so fast there.
from time to time... i come back here just to listen to the sauber c9 at 2:17
The 911 Carrera appears to be the Porsche 936
Kinky!!!
7601RPM AT 403 KMH !
sauber c9 800hp 900kg, insane
Does the Hunaudiéres look like the Buonfornello straight line of Targa Florio?
Yes, it's about the same distance on the SS113 (6 km). The only difference, the road is perfectly flat and straight, along the railway line, with no safety rails (or very few, at the time). You still had to have "big balls" to drive at more than 300 km/h on this straight line. My thoughts to Nino Vaccarella.
3:03 think that Colin macre
The 767 sound damn
No wonder Francois Cevert called in “the big bore”.
I understand why he might of thought of that, but he wasn't driving a fast car, else he would have thought of it differently.
He was heavily influenced by Jackie Stewart, who was not a long distance driver, don't forget.
Vic Elford spoke of how he was the first driver who ever took the kink at 245 mph...in the long-tail 917...in the wet...at night.
It took him a long time to build up the courage to try it. When you see the same kink here, you can't really understand it.
@@kcsnow9447
*_"I understand why he might of thought of that, but he wasn't driving a fast car, else he would have thought of it differently."_*
320+ km/h at night, passing cars that were maybe 80+ km/h slower, on a much more bumpy and higher crowned surface than we have today and without the signalling systems they have today...? Fast is relative and Cevert called it dangerous and he was right. I don't know in what reality 320+ km/h is not fast.
*_"He was heavily influenced by Jackie Stewart, who was not a long distance driver, don't forget."_*
Cevert was a man with his own mind. In any case, it's been proven absolutely that Stewart was right on every point: seat belts, guardrails, fire marshals....
*_"Vic Elford spoke of how he was the first driver who ever took the kink at 245 mph...in the long-tail 917...in the wet...at night."_*
I've never heard Vic Elford say anything about taking the kink at "245 mph". The highest speed ever reached by a 917 long tail was 362 km/h ((224.4 mph) in 1971. The error is that the drivers and mechanics calculated it from gearing and revs, which is not accurate.
Here is Cevert's exact description:
_"Then comes the big bore. Third gear, fourth gear and we're into fifth about one-third of the way along the straight. Then there is something like 1 1/2 minutes at full speed, full throttle, weaving-through-the-mobile-chicane motoring, and it is quite dangerous."_
Okay, it probably wasn't 1 1/2 minutes but you get the idea. As one who drives racing sims on a regular basis, I don't know what the fear must have been like but as a driver, you just sit there, not doing much. I can see why he called it a bore. It doesn't test you and it doesn't make for good racing.
@@kcsnow9447 By the way, I'm pretty sure it didn't rain at Le Mans in 1971. That was 1970.
@@thethirdman225 Actually, I didn't say '71, and in fact I didn't offer any year. But, and that said, 1970 was wet and soggy, once described as a powerboat race (but don't ask me to document it--I can't all these years later).
@@thethirdman225 320+kph is fast, yes. I'm just missing the part where Francois drove a car at Le Mans motoring around the circuit that fast, and how he was, therefore qualified to make that statement. Qualified as a fast driver? Certainly.
That said, I mean not a whiff of disparagement to Francois. I think he was brilliant, and probably would have been World Champion at some point, but for his fatal accident at Watkins Glen.
hotel arbor?
taves baxtalo
WE use MPH!
Tell someone who cares.
@@thethirdman225 lmao