We Can't Plow Our Road - We Need To Change How We Get Water This Winter | Off Grid Living
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- Making changes to our off grid water system for winter because we can no longer plow the road to our water source
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Kate & Greg When you drain the water line You MUST disconnect Both ends since your line goes over the Mtn You can drain only the water
line on one side of the Mtn if one end is still hooked up to anything
Remember that the batteries do not perform well in the cold so your performance may be zip. Electric devices that run on 120 / 140 Volts don't like a supply less than about 105 volts and 12 volt devices don't do well with less than 10.5 volts
i am from a health and safety background, the accidents i attended came from people who be came complacent you can have an accident regardless of time in a job, with that be save Greg and Kate.
You guys really need a harvesting rain water, watch the people of Life uncontained they set up a nice system and explain everything of how install it, they even filter and uv the water.
Guys, regarding your frozen water line into your cistern from your source; have you thought of installing a tee and a open/close valve every so often so you can determine where your freeze is? I'm suggesting about every 200-250 feet.
(Sorry, I just an 82 year old engineer who still doesn't think in metric)
Put the water containers on a sled and snowmobile them to and from , without plowing the road.
Rain capture
I would suggest you try digging a well. Rock stores water below the tree line in mountains, so you might not have to dig as deep as you think to find water on your land.
I use to do that until I got it to my gutter and now I use a transfer pump to pump the rain water to my camper and it fills the tank inside my camper for shower s and dishes
Hey folks, been hesitant to share my thoughts however I think the time is due to put my concerns aside and just share with you. Couldn't find your email otherwise I would have sent a direct message.
I have lived in South Africa, Israel, Portugal and Scotland and all of my destinations had the typical challenges of water supply. Now I know its winter so this idea might only take shape in the late spring. Has anyone mentioned the idea of setting up a ram pump from below and simply letting gravity and force to permanently set up your water supply? I have lived on a steep crop in Scotland and my land in Portugal is on a heavy slope and I never had a single issue with water supply. I just let nature take control and gravity does the rest. obviously you would need to drop trenches below the frost line but you should theoretically be able to set up a perfect ram pump system and just make sure you have large water barrels to catch the flow at the top. There, said my peace. Hope you find this constructive. If you need more info - I can send you links and the usual educational stuff.
I also wondered why they haven’t.
Share the links or a video link showing what you’re talking about .
I think its a combination of distance and expense. Alot of line and time and cost as well as access to build. Just my thinking/ guessing after watching past videos.
These two will get it figured out
Probably easier in the long run to just drill a well close to the homestead and run it off of a couple solar panels and into the cistern. Use a float switch to control the pump. That's what we do around here.
Seeing the way that you were stumbling over all those broken branches and fighting your way through the small saplings my first thought was take the chainsaw with you and clear the rubbish growth and dead branches to make it a safer working area. Have a nice restful holiday with some sun and come backed re charged and raring to go. 🏊♀🚣♀🏄♀👍👍👍
You know the solar panels are going to get snow on them; so why not heat trace the panels? You could have a bank of older batteries located behind the panels that are charged up by the existing panels or additional panels. Put temperature control on the tape. When the temperature drops below the setpoint, the heat will turn on, keeping the snow off.
Love the channel you two … just a helpful hint it takes 2.2 psi to move water 1 foot up so if we were moving water 50 feet up. It would take 110 psi I hope this helps and your endeavors
Interesting to see that you also have a squad of the 'small Willy brigade' over there! We have teams of them in the UK who get off on the power to tell folk how to live their lives, to make up for that teency weency bit of their anatomy.
Just ask SEPA (Scottish Environment Protection Agency) if u can take water out of a rivers, we have an old woollen mill by us that take water to run a water wheel but we are not allowed to run it with a generator???? but we can weave cloth 😅😅😅 I don’t envy you guys, we take water for granted, turn on a tap!! I’m sure some one will tell us why we can’t do both at the same time, anyway I digress, you are both very resourceful and will look for a better solution, take care
Digging a shallow hole with a sump pump will provide water but will freeze in the line when not actively pumping...The solution is to drill a small holier the line that feeds the house blower the water level. when the pump is off the water in the line will drain down, leaving the pvc devoid of water and not frozen pipe will result. The line from spring to house needs, however to be pitched downward to the spring .
Have a wonderful vacation.
You both deserve it.
I always like to think of technology from 1850. If you have an active spring, you have a great site for a well. Even a classic hand dug shallow well or hand drilled well. Create a water tower over it that has solar panels direct connected to a well pump so it pumps when the sun shines. A float switch can control it.
Absolutely agree with the spring for some reason I get the opinion that spring is a very long way from their house. I don’t know for sure if that’s the case or not
If one has a flowing spring and a bit of elevation drop a ram pump is he way to go.
I have to agree I put my dug well right on top of a spring. It is 3'x12' and always has at least 8' of water. You can then put your pump inside a slightly larger pvc pipe making sure you keep everything off the bottom. Most systems done this way they put a 1/8 hole in the black pipe just above well pump. It will drain back slowly when not in use and not freeze. What would be interesting is how far that pump is able to pump
Since you have totes… you should have a root cellar with a big door to backup to and drop off 1-2 or 3 full totes … as long as the root cellar stays above freezing it’ll work as a water storage during harsh weather❄️🌨️💨
I see some people living off grid boiling snow for water
Have a good trip! Enjoy Mexico!
Dear Katie and Greg. You've mentioned you're having trouble making your most resent Tractor's grader attachment work. Here's something you might consider. The pull blade Grader Moldboard appears to be cut out of a motor grader from a moldboard. Not a bad Idea, but they didn't finish the job. Where the cutting edge meets the ground, it's too thick.
Try taking your blade attachment off the rear of your tractor and turn it completely over. With a cutting torch, bevel the edge (FROM THE BACK TO THE FORWARD CUTTING PART OF THE EDGE) to 1/2" to 5/8" with the leading part of the cutting edge making ground contact - just like a knife.
When the road is dry, start grading from the higher point on you road against the bank with your blade angled forward and into the bank. Before you start grading, TILT your Blade down to create a inside ditch. Grade down hill uses less HP and that means less fuel usage.
Lets say the high side is on your left when you're headed down hill. Your blade should be
angled forward to the left side and tilted down to create a modest ditch 6"-10" deep. You'll be leaving a berm of dirt and rocks in the center of the road. You most likely not cut out the ruts in you first two passes, so don't be discouraged. On your second, back up the hill where you started, you'll want to angle you blade to the right so you can separate the rock from the dirt. Then repeat the same process without increasing the depth of your inside ditch.
after several time cutting away at your ruts and you'll have a road that's easy to maintain because you've eliminated the rock that bother your grading in the winter snows.
About every 250-300 feet you might consider cutting in a water bar to prevent washouts.
Too bad you can't find a Spring on your mountain.
Take as many IBC's as you can get down there and bulk store as much as you can. Not sure the totes will freeze through but at least get some more storage capacity down there. All that snow melt from your roof and deck area is being completely wasted, you really need to find a solution, what you're doing is a band aid until the next crisis. Pipe all your runoff especially rain, into storage, cisterns are cheap get three of four into the ground you have the room. Alternately use IBC's as a cost saving, build a low cost insulated shelter to store six or eight totes in. Living off grid doesnt need to be like that at all. you need, water, power, food and heat as basic survival, you have been there, is it four years now and still haven't mastered survival 101, water. Think it through there are so many options. Im sorry to be so sharp, but it is what it is. If you have 6 totes down at your water point you can connect all to a simple ram pump and force it up slopes, just keep an overflow capability at the top to keep a constant flow and avoid pipes from freezing. If you use one tote in two weeks, give or take, eight totes will last four months, thats the worst of winter done and dusted, think big not small.
!!*!! Helo Guys !!*!! I think if you buried the pipe 1/2 meter you would avoid freezing . From Barcelona Cataunya (Spain) SALUT !!*!!
McIver (tv show)came to mind when he heated pipe with the exhaust. Top job
In the spring you should try and witch a shallow well use a couple copper wires they will cross over the well and the bouncing of the wires will tell you how deep put in a sand point ...a good place to look for a shallow water source is around birch or popular tree stands they like wet roots
Remind me...why don't you have a well? Second year I've watched you struggle with water in the winter. Bless your hearts❤❤❤. You deserve a break.
I would be heating snow for my bath and dishes
Wow that’s a tough place to find yourself in. Having lived in places with limited water supplies, it sucks. We used to have to buy water that was trucked in. At our last home we finally dug an artesian well for thousands of dollars.. no easy solution. We ended up drilling the artesian in mid February. Best thing we ever did.
Nice brother to watch over your place.
Have you guys ever thought about a rain catchment system? It probably wouldn't take much to put something together.
Have you heard of winter?
I hope you are warm in the sun. Consider adding a UV water purification to the house, 12v DC units with low power consumption are available. Cheers.
Hello from Germany from Kakenstorf Hans und Oci...first snow...have fun❤❤❤👍👍👍❤❤❤
Hi Greg and Katie, I think you're on the right track for water with this setup. Hope you can enjoy your vacation and everything is good when you get back home. ❤❤
Haha, Juniper and his ball. Always ready to play, year round - an all weather dog for sure 🙂 The flow rate is 14GPM for 1/2" pvc and 23GPM for 3/4" pvc so you should notice a big difference. I know you can't really say anything about them prohibiting the plowing but it makes no sense to me; I 'd love to know the backstory on that but it probably still wouldn't make sense. Was it a neighbor complaint behind it? I hope you got the line cleared out of the ice and all is working again. Have a great time in Mexico. Be safe and have fun. Larry, Central Valley, Ca.
To get fancy, have it only come on when it snows.
Have an on - off timer so they don't stay on until the battery's are dead. If the sun is shining, then the same thing. You want the batteries to be delivered a healthy dose of power from the sun while it's shining.
Tough job maintaining water issues and now the government too!
You and Gregg are doing a great job keep going enjoy your holiday
Good luck
How about using a rainwater catchment and a buried cistern?
Hey guys, there is a special cover to use on your totes that will prevent mildew/mold from developing in them.
thanks for sharing daily stuff and challenges be safe and be careful traveling for the holidays
other then buying water from a municipality a lot of farmers do that for mixing fertilizer here it costs a whapping $.25 cents for 300 gALLONS AND IT FILLS VERY QUICKLY directly from a water tower takes maybe 2 minutes to fill an IBC tote 275 gallons. You cant hardly beat that price a lot of people haul water to their lake cabins rather then drill a well or put in cistern. you just need IBC totes and a good hefty say two axle trailer.
You got electricity. So if you pull a heater wire (waterproof) into the water pipe, you can melt it. Can be automatized, by measuring temp.😊
Option "B": You got a pressure tank. Apply a spring kind stopper in the water line before the presdure tank and with the compressor blow out the standstill.water back to thy tank by compressed air.
With this the top the most freezy part of your water system can be dry. And woud be there water only in case of need. Allso i mean as an electrically automated soulution. Can be fullfilled right underneath from your house.
Great video Greg and Katie
No living off grid is about being prepared before cold weather comes I no because I live off grid in the Dawson creek area and work like hell to be prepared for winter.
Years working in northern New Hampshire, I had a old swimming pool heater that I hooked up to a 2-inch pumped water 1200 feet up a hill, about 75 feet in elevation. When done pumping I would loop the pipe secations over a branch and drained the line down hill. Just a thought.
I hope you kids have a good time on your vacation / holiday and get lot's of rest. One thing for sure, you won't have to fix any random problem. I am getting to the point where I think of you kids as family. I've just about watched all of your videos and have cried and laughed with you as thing's have happened. I pray for you as well that God will keep His Hands of protection upon the both of you. This life you have chosen is a hard one and I for one am proud of both of you. Keep the faith and there are lots of us out here that LOVE YOU BOTH! I only wish I could afford to support you too, but at 73 and on a fixed income it's not possible. Oh how I wish I could!
If you have a surface water right or can purchase a portion of a nacre foot per year from a water bank you should be able to plumb in from the creek perminantly. You already have most of the parts that you need. You just need to increase the flow rate so that the lines will not freeze during the Winter and or bury the lines and have a basic screen to keep debris out of you lines. There are many Class A and B community water systems that have approximately the same amount of source flow as you do. You need to keep the water moving and pretty fast in areas and are not buried below the frost level and have a return line back to the creek for your overflow..
Your trees are beautiful. Enjoy your vacation. I will your shows while your gone.
That is so messed up that they won't let you plow the road to get to the creek to get water sometimes it makes me wonder why? and sorry i won't explain in depth but we are on your side
Enjoy your holiday, you two are hard workers and deserve a break.
Best not mess with the government, not to mention being off grid is a part of being independent, will keep you guys in my prayers as you find a better solution. It’s best to keep the government as far away from your beautiful off grid life.
Good morning kiddo's, big snow and winter is there. Looks like the dogs really like the snow. Take care and have a wonderful holiday season. Aloha
THAT IS WHAT A FUN FILLED ADVENTURE LOOKS LIKE YA ALL! HOW WELL YOU BOTH HAVE ADAPTED AND COMMITTED TO THIS LIFE. I COMMEND YOU!. AS I LAUGH AND REMEMBER DOING SUCH THINGS TO JUST GITTER DONE, GREG IS A HERO , AND KATIE , YOU ARE LEARNING RIGHT ALONG SIDE. WATCHING YOU SWING THAT AX, AND THINK THROUGH PROBLEMS IS FUN. MY YOUNGEST DAUGHTER THINKS A LOT LIKE ME AND PROBLEM SOLVES TOO. MAKES US SMILE.😁 AND HAVING EACH OTHER TO SHARE THE VICTORIES AND SETBACKS , GIVES YOU STRENGTH AND DETERMINATION. THATS WHY WE COME BACK EVERY WEEK TO CHECK ON YOU ALL. WE CARE AND ARE ROOTIN FOR YA!! HAVE SAFE TRIP TO MEXICO, ENJOY THE TIME RESTING, AND HAVE A BOWL OF MENUDO FOR ME.... I SURE MISS MY MOMS N GRANDMAS COOKIN. TAMALES, TORTILLAS, SPANISH RICE, FRIJOLES, MENUDO, QUESADILLAS... LOLOL HORALE!! FELIZ NAVIDAD!🎄❄🎄❄⛄❄
Why you YELLING?
I’m amazed at the attitude of the Government regarding your plowing situation!! Did they give you a real reason why you can’t plow that road?
Liability
😊 What makes your channel superb? Is the fact that you show all the upstand Downs? Which which your community can learn from you. So please keep the work up up and wishing the best for you.❤
Love my merch! Great Christmas gifts! Have a great holiday! Relax and get WARM in 🇲🇽!!!🥰
I would check with someone like on a legal zoom with Canada easement laws. They should not be able to stop you from plowing your only road to your water source.
Oh my gosh, what a hassle for you guys. If you’re not allowed to plow the road and the county doesn’t plow it what the? That’s ridiculous. I’m so sorry. You guys have to deal with such difficulties getting your water because of their red tape.. all of that a side, I hope you have a wonderful holiday in Mexico. Stay safe, get a suntan and don’t drink too many margaritas😁 happy holidays and safe travels☮️❤️
I absolutely love how the dogs are always up for an adventure!
Hi Kati and Greg. I would like to advise the both of you to use a french drain pipe at the bottom of a small pond to collect water. When you place a french drain in the bottom underneath sand/rocks and let the creek "fill" the Pond, make the outlet of the french drain a little upwards, but underneath the toplevel of the dam of the made pond. And just let the water overflow out over the french drain exit.
This idea might only be possible when you are able to get to the creek with the tractor, or will take some human labor for it 🤔
Thanks for the video I injoy it
I hope you two are using a "reverse osmosis" (RO) filter with a particulate filter on the front. Hope you have a safe and relaxing vacation. Thanks for the video!!
Now I know who Katie reminds me of. A younger Pamela Reed! The long riders came on tv tonight and when I saw her face I thought of Katie. Any relatives in the movies?
In the spring it would be something if you could put a huge amount of your sawdust around your water system to keep water lines from freezing
Hi guys, snow ❄️ is beautiful but a pain I think.
ENJOY your holiday vacation! you deserve it!!
I was out this fine morning plowing. You got to love north Idaho..
That solar system seems quite accessible, you might test a panel or two by polishing the surface with a good quality automotive nano polish to see if it will let the snow slip off easier. Just an idea.
You know... Ambition Strikes decided to dig in a wet spot on their property and pretty much made a well... a shallow well, but it's been providing nearly all of their water needs. I wonder if that's something you might consider? They uploaded a video or two when they did it... so you'd get to see how, if that matters. Seems like water is one of your biggest challenges.
You need a filter on the outlet of that blue tub that stops debris from getting into the pipe. Having a lid of course would be a good idea. Have a nice warm holiday.
Water woes. Need a deeper and bigger catch basin container in the stream. Should the blue barrel and tote be covered to reduce falling debris and scat. Try wrapping the water hose with 110 V electrical heater wire to melt frozen water hose ice and improve water flow. Or try heater gun to progressively melt the ice. Vacation time.
We used to have a lake home in Northern Minnesota and could listen to the timber wolves at night.... I still think that was one of the most awesome sounds we now live in the wyoming black hills and all we here is coyotes
About the pull rope, if you put in a smaller diameter rope you can get more rope in there and it will break much less often. I have been doing this for YEARS, it works really well.
Margaritas and fish tacos, enjoy!!!
As beautiful the scenery looks covered by snow it must be a bit of a bus’tard to get things done and hope you both have an amazing break and come back to us fully chilled 🙏🏽😘 as you both deserve it…love from miserable wet Sunderland England ❤️
that is a better idea Greg ,blowing the line out as apposed to letting it drain. We blow out our water lines every year and have had no problems after.
Take some half inch plywood with some 2 inch solid foam sheets cover your IBC. Toe completely top bottoms all 4 sides. And that will keep it from freezing and also cracking the IBC.
And if you make a platform to pull behind your quad out of wood use polyure thing for skids, and you should be able to pull a big load with that quad. Without any problooms, you'll be surprised. How much power it has when you have. A nice solid wooden skid with plastic runners underneath. Best Of luck to you too.
Everytime you are working on your water I would bring some loppers with me and trim those annoying branches back omgosh that looked frustrating wrangling cold hard hose with 1000 branches...good job as always you completed your task. Thanks for sharing...I hope you share a few more beach walks.❤
Have a fabulous time on holiday...soak up all the warmth!
I pray it all works out for you both ❤
Healthy, Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Lots of health and offspring for Poland .
Need to in the Sprig get the water lines fixed so they will be ready when. You need it & not have to work out in the snow and cold.need to make a gig to hold the water line up off the ground & need to put a strainer are screen on to keep the junk out.Enjoy your trip.
Just an idea. Put a hardware cloth screen over the blue barrel to keep leaves and other crap out.
Not surprised they stop the plowing, private property and is a liability issue on an unassumed road during the winter season
Watch U all the time love your channel !! When is a BABY COMING ?? GOOD LUCK GOD SPEED !!
When you all get the money. Can you try to drill a well so you won't have this problem? I hope so it will make your life easier. Have a great time on your vacation , you two deserve it. 😊
Get a d4 cat with a wagon sled. Put your water tank on it with your hopefully gas powered fire pump. These cats where used in Alaska and the Canada as cat trans. Pulling supplies to remote mines and comities. That way, you don’t need to plow that forest service road anymore.
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Have a great vacation,you have earned it.
My you have to endure so much to get water,pray you succeed😮👍🌲❤️
As someone who grew up without running water on a farm that had t o water cattle too, here's a piece of advice. LESS IS MORE, establish a well and insulate to ensure freeze free operation. I'm assuming it doesn't get to - 40 there. So good luck.
I wonder if there is a way to put a PTO on the four wheeler and mount/attach a pump to it to pump uphill into your IBC? Just a thought. You guys are tenacious, I'll give you that. I swear I just don't understand how y''all, or anybody, can live in that cold and snow. Y'all go South and get warm....you deserve it.
Have a good rest and enjoy the free time🎉🎉🎉
When we lived off grid, we collected rain water of course but we got our drinking water from town. We hauled 3-4 ibc tanks depending on our levels at the time. That being said we were filled by fire hydrant however it didn't help us at home. We purchased a gas powered water pump from our local Menards made by generac. It has attachments to hook up a water hose if desired. It runs about an inch to inch and a half line from both ends as well as a filter to catch debris. We were able to come up with attachments to hook up the pump directly to our tanks to drain them and pump the water from tank to tank. I can tell you it moves some water for such a small pump. It took minutes to transfer tank to tank to unload our trailer. We always had a tank at home so we would fill it, remove a tank fill it and so on. In the end we always had an empty tank even if we had to leave it on the trailer and use what was left first. But it was so convenient and quick to move our water once we got it home. I don't know what you have available in your location but you could literally get water from anywhere.
It is a cw10k 1" 30gpm. We used the hose attachment to reach longer distances and to water our animals as well as filling our campers potable water tank. At one time we used the standard blue hose that comes with the pump however we didn't like the hose taste in the water so we used a drinking water hose for the house. I know you all will figure out what is best for you and I pray it is close and convenient for you.
I want to add I mentioned this prior to seeing your pump. The one I sent you is smaller and more portable in a sense, I was just stating what we did for our water moving solutions. You move water with the totes more or less the same way.
Your brown dog is such a good boy.
He is such a good boy
Get one of those three point hitch to skid steer adapters so you can mount your forks on the back of your tractor and lift the water container with the forks on the three point hitch. Put some big rocks in the bucket up front if you have to for ballast.
Have a good holiday in the nice and warm there
I hare you
Pity though you can't find a solution to the system and have water year round or would benefit both of you and save alot of time , Katie looking good with that smile and doing a good job with the video's thanks for sharing your videos 😮
If you have a leaf blower use it to blow the water lines compressor in winter times only blow out ice pellets lol
I use stihl 2 strokes blower awesome in winter to clear the trucks of snow or the logs ect... take care be safe
OK.I admit it, I didn't think the exhaust would heat the hose enough to work. I stand corrected. (Not a hater by the way💕)That WAS pretty smart! Love your channel! J.W. in Massachusetts.
You could leave the pull start cover off and use your drill with a socket and wala electric start 😊