If you were meant to hate Chloe so much that veins on your forehead throbbed out, she'd be a genius character, but she's meant to be... "Cool?" So she makes me so uncomfortable that blood shoots out my eyes
@@jockeyfield1954 yeah, a little unrelated but still a little in tune, alot of people get this mixed up, sometimes people dont like a hypocritical character because its a ""writing flaw"" when in reality its a character flaw, when discussing traits and characters. it about presentation, will the writing tell you to like this person or will it tell you to dislike them? Cloe is VERY obviously written badly and by extension the entire game because of the presentation of the character, every character flaw about her penetrates into a writing flaw. because the game tells you to like them and the game will have you like them no matter what. the author of a work needs to understand what its about, when you are following the villain in a story. the writing should tell you its a villain. some people like to "grey area" everything and want to go deep about things that dont mean to, which makes the writing seem flimsy,, or just. bad? when someone treats your protagonist bad, you want the story to reflect that "Hey main character you stink! booo!!!" "Ok!" ^ thats bad!! "hey main character you stink!!!!! boo!!!!!!" "Hey! you stink!" for games filled with drama its odd they ignore that part of the story. This is bad writing because they dont ever mention it, if they did. then itd be less bad writing, and if they made it a part of the story itd be,, PART OF THE STORY! Bad writing is ignoring the possibilities, and seeing them makes it good.
i think your meant to disagree with her decisions but can sympathize with her and why she made them. and yes, it does sorta fail in that as well. her lines in the final scene with the last choice really give it away and what they were trying to accomplish with her. i have no clue if we are supposed to consider her as "cool" though, i feel too old to comment
I’ve had the same happen, I point out the obvious toxicity of it and get flagged by Pricefield shippers. There’s not much that’s truly healthy about their relationship, and I hate the fact that the only person that legitimately points it out, the dream Max, is meant to be shown as wrong or evil.
The fact that Gary can be a much more evil character in a 12-rated game than the bad guy in a game that's rated 18 really shows how shit the writing is in Life is Strange tbh
Not really, no. How evil a character is doesn’t say anything about the writing. Even then I still completely feel the opposite about the writing all these years.
@@digimonlover1632 i think that being able to write a villain as convinvingly monstrous (without descending to cliches and puppy kicking) is a sign of good writing Also the writing in this game is trash
@@digimonlover1632 The writers make Gary good by making him evil but also making him very likable and charming, and the game doesn’t force you to like him. LiS is the opposite, Chloe is a complete asshole with no charming qualities and yet you’re forced to like her.
How come no one ever talks about the horrible facial animations? You’d think that a game that is 90% cinematics would have a team that if they weren’t going to put any effort into making sense and being cohesive in their writing and fleshing out their characters, then they’d at least animate the characters look and act lively to keep the audience around but no, just let characters hold the same facial expression until the scene changes and make sure their lips barely move when they talk.
It’s weird how when the clips from Bully, which I believe is a much older game, were shown, one of my first thoughts was: “Why does this actually look a lot better?”
The fact that David Cage games like Detroit: Too Human looks way better than this says something. You think Square would've pumped a bit more money into this.
I started it and loved Chloe. Then I realized she's the same type of person who'd ruin your life and hate you for stating its their fault. Even if it's true.
well her trope as a character is someone who comes off terrible, but tries to do good. i can see how a lot of people don’t really like her character but when you think of it that chloe has probably developed a ton of mental illnesses from trauma, you start to understand more. to me chloe really seems like a decent example of BPD, try to look at it through that lense
it's hinted that chloe shows symptoms of borderline personality disorder. now, if you go off and say that people with bpd/npd are abusers, you're an ableist a hole and trying to generalize people bc of just one toxic person in your life. plus chloe hasn't necessarily recovered from her trauma (her dad dying and max moving states within the span of 3 days) and it doesn't help that joyce never decided to genuinely sit down with chloe and talk w/o david overstepping boundaries with his slightly controlling behavior. (look at the parking lot scene from lis before the storm episode 2, he deadass cuts joyce off trying to talk to chloe about her expulsion and why chloe actively pushing joyce away). chloe is a tragic character who has trauma and doesn't act the stereotypical victims of trauma do (i.e., childish or meek and anxious) and people hate her bc of that. i'm not a chloe apologist but as someone who was a victim of childhood abuse and acts similar to chloe in terms of attitude, i appreciate chloe for showing a different pov of victims of trauma.
This is far from the first time I've heard someone complain about how terrible the characters are. But it's always a joy to heard someone call out the awful character writing that I welcome it every time.
The saddest part is the alternate "Chloe's dad lives" timeline seems like an actually better story. Playing a story where your friend gets into an accident and ends up paralyzed could bring up alot of interesting, heart touching moments, and would actually make sense of the "Life is Strange" title. But no, we got the bad timeline.
Holy shit, you just made a lot of sense! Granted, I can see how that wouldn’t sell as much as the game is now, because… paraplegic friend? WHERES the drama and crazy BS!? But, at the same time, I can definitely see how that version of the game (your idea) being WAY more helpful in more ways than one, probably more so than the original!
The irony of her situation after the accident would be she would have a bad quality of life, but despite being paralysed, she learns to appreciate life and the people around her.
@@patrinizer346 that's the thing, people who fail suicide attempts usually live a fuller life, because they realize their problems were short lived. A person who has suffered since birth will be more grateful than anyone else.
This game is "How you do, fellow kids?" in game form. It tried so hard to appeal to the hipster/alternative crowd but all it did was look dishonest and cringe instead of genuine
are we all gonna ignore the fact the Joyce (Chloe's mom) is the biggest victim of the franchise? Her husband dies , can barely afford to pay the bills ,her daughter hates her and ruins any chance for her to find love , duaghter gets killed and her partner leaves no matter what option you chose in LiS1 she ends up completely alone
@@Lilothestitch you do realize that Chloe price is way worse in everyway possible like seriously, I don't understand how you defend Chloe's action when Joyce been through worse
@@Lilothestitch She loved and cared about Max so much she talks down about her powers hurting her and tries to make Kate's suicide all about herself, yeah x.x
@@teacoon6399 Bullshit. She truly did love and cared about Max and she had remorse when Max answered Kate’s call. Stop making Chloe look like a hateful person.
Well, there is only one true ending to Shadow the Hedgehog, i.e. Shadow defeating Black Doom and using Chaos Control to destroy the Black Comet. The only thing the alternative endings do is unlock the true ending, and those alternative endings really just boil down to Shadow saying “such and such ideology” is “who he is”, but that doesn’t really mean anything because Shadow’s true colors are revealed in the true ending, i.e. that he is not evil and that he saves the world and his friends.
Chloe is literally the worst and I can't remember a single good thing she's done for Max that doesn't directly benefit her. :/ This is literally the best example of the worst best friend someone could have, and the game would be gold tier if it DIDN'T FAVOR CHLOE. Me seeing the option to kill Chloe at the end: Oh shit finally! Idgaf about the other option this town sucks ass but Chloe is much worse.
I think the main problem with Chloe is that she’s not written well for her role. Chloe’s supposed to be that confident yet laid back friend who’s also entertaining and relatable. Yet, she doesn’t act like it. She treats everyone horribly and instead of confronting her problems or showing compassion for others she just wallows in self pity and blames everyone else. With that personality, she should have been a person that you thought was your friend, but when you realize how they treat you, you confront them and whatever. She’s not written terribly in general, but she is not what she was written for.
Agreed. She can be nice sometimes and having a character with flaws to work one is good but her flaws seem to pop up sometimes without really being worked on
did you even play the game? or before the storm? everyone in this comment section is horribly uneducated lol. life is strange in my opinion is a great game and chloe is NOT written bad.
Even when I was a dumb 12 year old and first watched a play through I found Chloe absolutely insufferable, I could never understand what everyone liked about her so much back then
@@Lilothestitch she’s not relatable at all😭 she’s insufferable and does things that only benefit her. Maybe if you’re a self serving douche then i can see how she’s relatable
You know what Life is Strange is actually a masterpiece. It unintentionally shows what fatherless behavior becomes. Chloe becomes a terrible person who blames everyone but themselves and lacks self control because her father died. Too bad the developers are actual brainlets and the "good" timeline is just people being terrible.
This game is the very definition of mid. Not good nor bad it's just kinda there. It exists. I only really like the art direction and music. But if you want an interesting game about fears of young people with great art direction and music just play Silent Hill 3.
And you know what's the funniest part, it was all down hill from here. Don'tNod is likely gonna got he way of telltale because from steam player charts alone it seems like the first life is strange game was their only profitable one.
On god she was a horrific character. The ending choice was so obvious because this game clearly really wants you to like her but they ended up achieving the exact opposite. Why would I sacrifice potentially thousands of lives for an unlikeable cringy prick?
Chloe seems like the type of person to tell a bi or pan girl who’s like interested or in a relationship with a man “oh get well soon” or some bs like that
@@charlotteemily146 A big problem the LGBT community has is the way it constantly crucifies bisexuals in straight relationships or bi women who have been with more men than women. It shuns them for not really being a part of the community, or at least according to the morons who would make that claim. This is me speaking as a straight man married to a pan woman, according to a large portion of LGBT my wife is just a straight woman. For you to say "no one does that" is pure ignorance. Don't speak on shit you're clearly clueless about.
OMG YES. Or tell a bi or pan girl “oh you’re probably a lesbian. men suck. you just haven’t tried women yet.” Honestly Chloe gave me BIIIIG incel vibes in the game. (Not calling her femcel because incel is a gender neutral term coined by a woman.) Like Chloe seems like the person to constantly make jokingly snide comments about how you’re not “actually really bi/pan until you get with a girl” and drop non-subtle hints about how she can make you “real”.
They couldn't even write a convincing suicidal character in a game whose major theme is mental illness. DDLC did this 10x better with Sayori (even though the rest of the game is basically glitch horror). It didn't just throw you a character with a big label saying "depressed" and expect you to care.
If kate's not convincing, I'm batman, she's literally one of the best characters and this is the best game I have ever played, tlou is very near, but this game is just a masterpiece
Life is Strange is like Donnie Darko You got the time travel The private school The bullies The wacky surrealism An storm caused by said use of time travel The authority figure that turns out to be a creep And the big sacrifice in the end …but the writing in Life is Strange is like if the story was written by a Wattpad user.
@@digimonlover1632 , only hipster SJWS like Anita Sarkeesian loves Life is Strange, and true video game fans like myself loves characters like Clementine from Telltales Walking Dead, Bayonetta from Bayonetta, Chun-Li from Street Fighter, Mileena from Mortal Kombat, Ivy from Soul Calibur, Trish from DMC, Claire Redfield from Resident Evil Degeneration, Sheva from Resident Evil 5, Lady Dimitrescu from Resident Evil 8, Mara Jade and Jaina Solo from Star Wars Legends, Sophie from Persona 5 Strikers, etc etc, so yes outside of the SJW hipsters nobody loves Life is Strange.
acknowledging chloe's flaws is what the game failed to do... she could've been so much better as a character if the game RECOGNIZED her as a PERSON with FLAWS, not a badass who's immune to criticism or a punk who gets a pass at abusing others because she's been abused as well.
She willingly sacrificed herself at the end cause she knows she’s a horrible person 😭 do you think the writers accidentally made her flaws or something??
My buddy had a copy of this on PS4. We share-played the entire thing and laughed our asses off at how bad it all was. To this day, I can only see the game the same way I see a shitty bootleg or a bad dub of a show: it’s so horrible that it’s funny
Me and a friend did a similar thing but with the second one (vastly worse) and we did it entirely in the Japanese dub we didn’t even sleep the first night. It was the pinnacle of my year as a 15 year old.
As someone whose father passed away, I admit I was more emotional and angry to everyone around me *And then I grew up because I was a child when he died.* If you want to write a character like Chloe, do it properly.
@@Hikkizin The issue is that Chloe’s grief went on too long to the point she blamed everyone for her issues and gaslights and abuses her own friends. There’s a reason I’d sacrifice as she was just annoying the entire story.
@@Hikkizin acting like people taking excessive amounts of time to change/move on (or not able to at all) is a normal and healthy state of mind. It's a problem, and if they keep wallowing and being a dick like Chloe, they're only going to make things worse for themselves as the people who care start to give up.
@@thebushbros6626 I understand why this can be annoying, but I think it's still real, some people act like this because they can't move on, personally I think she's a very good character, a lot of people act like her on real life, so I don't think that's a problem (to the game, obviously)
I think the scene that most represents how awful and badly written this game is, is when max can step in for Kate or take a picture. Max, you have super powers, you can rewind time, DO BOTH! it cannot be that hard to write smart characters, it cannot like come on.
Oh yeah that… well about that, when you rewind time to help Kate from being harassed by David, at the exact moment when you took the photo, the photo will not be on the inventory… yeah, I’m serious. Is like the photo got “Thanos snapped” because the game didn’t want you to Have your cake and eat it. (Even though you could actually do two different actions while traveling to time for the most time in the entire game)
@@The_GhostWind wtf that’s just nonsense because in one scene max got to steal a key from a character and keep it after rewinding time. I’m glad I grew out of this game and realize how flawed it is
@@leedlefly yeah I know, and all of this stupid BS happens in episode ONE of all places. And after that it is then contradict by later episodes in which max can keep stuff while also having the benefit of knowing or doing stuff by trial and error because of her powers. So yeah, why does this even exists if it was gonna be contradict by later episodes? It just make it feel that it “NEEDS” to happen without any reason just to advance the plot and because of the whole “your choices matter” BS
I can’t believe how so many people think that Max and Chloe has a great relationship. Chloe is hella selfish and has shown that multiple times that she is willing to rat our max for her own benefit. The fact that there are so many people who sacrificed everyone else for Chloe makes no sense to me. When there are other characters in the story that cared/treated Max way better. What’s even worse is that a lot of people try to justify Chloe’s behavior because of her father dying, though just because you have been through shit doesn’t mean you have to treat others like shit as well.
The game forces you to ship Pricefield (Chloe x Max). Ironically, Chloe uses Max's power for her amusement until Max got a nosebleed. There are still many characters who cares about Max and there should be more of them who are a perfect match for Max. And Chloe is deeply in love with Rachel so it doesn't make any sense to match her with Max.
I'm glad it's helped so many people, don't get me wrong. The problem for me though is that the game actually caused more problems for me than anything else. I played Life is Strange at a really low point in my life because a ton of people who had gone through what I had said it helped them and all... but it made me feel so much worse. Instead of feeling "seen", it felt more like they were almost making a spectacle of depression, which I know that they weren't _trying_ to. But where I was mentally and emotionally, it made me feel even worse. And since then, I haven't paid attention to anything else this series has to offer because I'm worried that it'll put me back in that place. I'd rather stick with my silly little anime games instead playing anything that involves a heavy storyline of mental illness or just mental health in general, because it feels like nobody can get it right.
Have you every played any of the Persona games? They tackle mental illness and depression much better. P5 for example teaches the player that they can overcome their hardships, by facing your problems and standing up to those who wronged you. It also teaches the player the importance of friendship, and being there for each other.
Life Is Strange is one of those games that people really liked at first, kind of like telltale’s MC:SM, and then people revisited the game and realized how horseshit it was.
Nah it’s more like people liked it at first, and other people made a dumb bandwagon to say it’s horseshit and completely misrepresent the game. *looks at uricksaladbar*
Man, this game is one of the best things I've ever seen, I don't understand how u guys can hate this game that much, I cry everytime I play and it has a special place in my heart
The moment the game gave me a chance to kill chloe, i took the chance. Like, i ain't sacrificing the lives and homes of the good people of arcadia bay for some angsty teen. Yes thats one of the endings of the game, yes i just spoiled it for you
I think you missed the point of the two endings. LiS is a cheesey angsty teen coming of age story that turns into something inspired by the works of David Lynch, and then the endings let you choose which genre you want an ending for. The problem is that angsty coming of age stories have rather cliche endings Which makes letting Chloe die the better ending.
@@elk3407 it’s just a shame Chloe only matures at the very last minute, and I mean THE VERY LAST MINUTE. When it come time to pick she’s sounding upset about herself and is acting pretty selfless, saying she should actually get what’s coming to her. I like how she finally isn’t a b&,ch anymore but that’s a right angle of a character arc. I have no desire to save Chloe because she wasn’t acting selfless before, and therefore I still hate her when the time comes to make the choice
@@Lifeisstrangeforlife you're even a worse person if you chose killing many people with families over one person just because "i ship them sm, chloe and max for life" and other bullshit.
@@patrinizer346they do, the choices don’t impact the story they impact the characters, stuff you say to someone once could cause them to be dead episodes later.. it was never advertised that there were branches to the story
When I first heard of this game in 2015 I was absolutely. The characters were. The acting was. And the music was there. This was definitely the game ever made.
The strangest thing about this game is that you only come to dislike the game after you've grown up out of your teenage years. I haven't heard of it for 6 years aside from the prequel and sequels and as I revisited it I felt different. I didn't enjoy it as much as I used to, the flaws that I used to be oblivious to was easier to notice. Chloe is the best example of that, so many times she's been annoying and the game never allows you to have max despise her to the end. She's fictional and yet I feel emotionally gaslighted by the character. At this point I sympathize with David by putting up with her BS and Before the Storm at least has the decency to acknowledge how horrible she was to him even if she got zero consequence for it. All in all I think the games were made for teenagers in their "phase", these people that found help with it were troubled in their own lives and could relate with all the over the top drama. But as an adult you can't relate just as well as a teenager. As much as people got help with the characters (all the power to them!), the fact that the flawed ones are the most liked among them is kind of sad... It feels like they got manipulated by every "good" characters when they probably seeked help about trust issues, abuse and manipulations themselves.
The fact that people still simp for Chloe is proof they never grew out of their edgy teenager phase. Not like I'm a paragon of mental health or anything, but I played it for the first time right near or after the end of college and had a good time with it. It's a TV-MA Disney Channel Movie and I love it for that.
I still simp Chloe. Lol. Yes, I know she’s not perfect and believe me I got pissed at her for throwing Max under the bus with the weed. However, just something about her draws me in. Maybe since I played Before the Storm first that affected how I see her Vs others that played LiS 1 first. I never did drugs and I graduated high school and college with honors but I just feel a connection to her. Growing up I had trouble connecting with people and had people I thought were a friend or something more ghost me/stab me in the back. Maybe that’s it. Plus, LiS did help me realize my sexuality and gender identity as well. This game does have a shit tone of flaws and it is anything but perfect but I just connect with it somehow. Personality wise I am more like Max but I often fantasied, but never actually acted out, about doing some of the stuff Chloe does like making an assholes car role out from under them. Lol. While I actually have a lot of respect for David he did mistreat her too. I say their feud was 50/50. I save Chloe out of loyalty to him and sweet Joyce as well. I think Joyce would sooner die than lose Chloe.
I swear to God I'm not trying to come off as contrarian, but I seriously never had anything but a slight sense of loathing towards this game despite being in the age range they were attempting to appeal to when it came out.
One of my pet peeves are twist villains that are basically two different characters and who never once slip up pre-twist, just to fool the audience. (Like Hans from Frozen who even emotes in a "good guy" way when he's alone and acts heroically without any ulterior motives, and then for no reason at all he tells Anna everything. What bullshit) I hate that era of character archetypes being popular, and LiS falls into this era. The only comfort I have is that everyone hates the trope as much as I do. And to be clear, I don't hate all twist villains inheritly, but the character pre-twist and post-twist should be the same character. It all has to make sense, alright.
jeffersons first line is "i could photograph any of you in a dark corner in a moment of desperation" there were hints he was the villain the entire time
To be fair, the only times we really se Hans alone is the scene where he falls into the harbor. Aside from that, he's usually trying to convince the citizens (or the men who went with him) that he's a good guy. But honestly, if you remove him from the story, it doesn't change much. They proved later in Encanto that you don't really need a villain to make a good adventure story.
Jefferson being the villain is not a bad twist. There were hints on the dialogue since the very begining and the story makes sense. But he is a bad villain. Like dumbsville said, instead of making the old jefferson a more menacing character, they straight up created a new guy and put mr jefferson's name on him. Even his voice changes
I really wish this game had Max either stay friends with Chloe or be against her. This game is so biased toward her despite how she constantly whines when Max won't let her do horrible things like stealing from disabled people or when Max refuses to take the blame for Chloe's actions. She's also a massive hypocrite. She legit broke into a school and went through the principal's PC yet whines when her privacy is invaded. I don't care if it helped her and Max's investigation. She still went snooping around other people's things. If it wasn't okay for David, it isn't okay for Max or Chloe.
the game is stupid because what it’s TRYING to do is build a relationship between Max and Chloe to build up to this weird trolley problem where you can either save the love of your life or the entire city, but then makes Chloe completely intolerable so it’s not a difficult choice at all lmao. and the worst part is, the tone of the game clearly communicates that you’re supposed to be on her side. as in, the writers expected you to experience all of this and still develop this ridiculous endearment for her
@@applespotty2232 Well it worked since most of the fanbase sides with her with almost every decision except for maybe the choices that deal with Kate. I feel sorry for Chloe, but the game forces you to put up with her nonsense and then shames you when you pick a choice to disagree or, better yet, grow a spine to call her out. She keeps throwing up "wrong" choices back in your face and Max rarely stands up for herself against Chloe. I get that Chloe comes from a sad background, but that gives her no excuse to be such a massive bitch especially towards Max. The guilt tripping is annoying too. Funny enough, most people are willing to admit her alternate self is way nicer.
@@applespotty2232 I agree. Chloe is such a massive piece of work, and the game shames you almost every time you don't choose the choices she likes. That's one reason why I don't understand why people say it has better choices than the first season of the walking dead game. At least in the walking dead, the game doesn't force Kenny, the guy you're constantly forced to interact with, to be your pal, nor does it expect you to kiss his behind. Kenny, as ONE person, will give you hell, but nobody else paints you as a bad guy for siding against him. Meanwhile, Chloe, Joyce, and Max will guilt trip you constantly. To make things even worse, Max will rarely ever stand up for herself against Chloe but does it way more with other characters. That's why I don't get why people say Chloe made Max brave. First of all, Max was already pretty brave without Chloe around. With Chloe around, Max is brave enough to break into builtdings, but not brave enough to call out Chloe more when she's being mean. Their friendship seems to be running on nostalgia and constantly guilt tripping. I feel bad for Chloe but not enough to use her history as excuse for her nasty behavior.
@@dustymuffincop2481 omg yes that's another thing, the idea that Max was some kind of push over before Chloe reentered her life. it's just literally not true 💀 Max is a complete normal, averagely outspoken character on her own. they just gave her a hipster bob and an art hobby and hoped the audience would stereotype her instead of observing her actual characteristics. and somehow it kind of worked?
This game is confusing to me, I’ve never played it but I remember everyone criticizing the characters. Most of the hate I saw was solely on calling the characters, “Unlikeable Assholes.” Then when True Colors (or the remake? I don’t remember, again I don’t pay attention to this series) Suddenly all I would see is how the game was Kojima levels of amazing, and the characters were suddenly 5 dimensional.
That's because the fans of the games were still supportive of the series after the bandwagon died down so just appreciation from the fans shined through.
Well True Colors is developed by an entirely different with different writers. Hell I think the only reason they used LiS in it's title was brand recognition.
it would have been pretty easy to mostly fix kate's suicide, honestly. just needs 2 changes. 1. you get your time powers back when you reach the roof. still can't rewind to keep her from reaching the roof, but you can rewind to the start of the conversation as much as you want. 2. you can't save her. one of the phrases that repeats in the minds of those who lost friends/family to suicide is "if only i did/said X". that relatable and painful feeling of regret that people burden themselves with in the face of loss. in a story with time travel, setting up a situation where "building up enough friendship points means your friend won't end their life in front of you" tells those people that "yes, those feelings are completely justified. if you could control time, and always make the right choices, you too could have saved their life." whereas a better option is to give the player that painful daydream scenario of being able to rewind the conversation over, and over, and over again until they get it right... and have the balls to tell the player "no. there is no magical out to this situation. no response. no question. no perfectly aligned set of words. there is no way she could have stopped Kate... there's no way you could have stopped them." and for the player to move on, they'd have to come to terms with it, and let it go. if you want to cover such a hard topic such as suicide, you either have the guts to go big, or you stay the fuck away from it. of course, it's still not perfect. it's still an incredibly left field scene, and would be better suited as the primary story (dropping Chloe and the kidnappings entirely). also, the writing would need to be more nuanced for it to land properly, which is pretty hard when your writers have their heads permanently stuck 5' up their own asses. the subtlety of Max's name being a gigantic exhibit.A for that.
Kinda mirrors Chloe in a way. Someone unable to let go of the past, consisting blaming things out of anyones control on innocent people just so she feels better about her own past and her mistakes
It's actually hinted at that Max got her powers from Rachel so that Rachel can get revenge on Jefferson. In before the storm it's heavily implied that Rachel has wind powers so it's not beyond belief that she could give Max powers from beyond the grave
I’m pretty sure it’s only implied once when she burns down that one tree which fooled the players into thinking she had powers, but then it never comes up any other time so it’s safe to say she didn’t, and if she did, the developers did a terrible job showing it.
33:00 This out of context is pure gold hahaha, this is how STRANGE this game is, also if the only likeable character is the one you're supposed to hate then you know something is bad on this game, I guess a lot of people have said this but it's true anyways
I don't think, you're supposed to hate him. Maybe at first, but he literally saves your life and shows, he actually cared about Chloe If they wanted you to hate him, they wouldn't have included that scene
it would have been cool if you got to pick your friends, like you could do a whole playthough of a game without being friends with the blue hair girl, and then hear oh, that brown haired girl killed herself, and then on a completely separate playthrough you befriend her and realise you were able to stop it. and loads of other storylines with separate endings based off people you get to know.
@@patrinizer346 Yeah, like with what Night In The Woods did. It give you the choice to spend time with Bea and Gregg(two characters your protagonist, Mae, has met before and befriended in her past) though it doesn't really let you pick who you should be friends with like how the dude described, the side characters you CAN meet along the way and befriend don't contribute to the ending or anything in that sense.
Something else very fucked up about Kate is...Kate should be mad at the picture in episode 1, then episode 2 go "You know...I am sorry. I know you were trying to help" or have her take a step back when Max talked, and realized she was helping. Like when you are in a bad situation, you do see stuff in short term or just don't see people are trying to help. I do feel Kate is the best character in the game in concept, and maybe even the best in the game, but heavily misused. I think the biggest fact about Kate being misused is after she tried to kill herself, Max is like "Okay she is alive" and FUCKING BARELY EVER SPENDS TIME WITH HER. Like Max legit leaves Kate outside the one hospital visit. Like...Max rather make kissy faces to Chloe over...you know...help her friend who tried to kill herself? That was my biggest issue was they throw out a character about to kill themselves, then just forget about them pretty much. She is alive, so who cares? It is all about Chloe now!
I once heard someone say that he liked it cause the game has the option sit below a tree or something and listen to the ost and said it was unique and few games did that. Bro why dont you go outside and do it yourself, gurantee its better than doing it on a fucking videogame 😭😭
fuck now i wanna do that with some of my favorite osts, just go outside and relax while listening to relaxing songs like kill yourself from cry of fear
“Had” that’s implying that you didn’t do the life is strange topic as a choice... I don’t know know if it was the English teacher or the principal that made you did this but either way, we truly live in the darkest timeline…
Telltale's The Walking Dead: has several moments with a very very short timer on hard decisions to force you to act on instinct without thinking. Life is Strange: "Uh oh are you suuuuure? Okaaay."
I also want to throw it out there that Chloe kills that guy's dog and then kills him when he was defending his home and his dog, very relatable 10 out of 10 game capitulates My Life perfectly
Honestly, this was one of the only parts of the game I enjoyed. It was at least nice to be able to put to rest one of these terrible characters. I was like: "Oh. Cool. A good for nothing drug dealer got shot." The other moment of the game that I enjoyed was watching Chloe accidentally shoot herself. Legit, I rewinded time around ten times just to watch her get shot over and over again. Legit, this game has such crappy characters that I enjoyed harming the "heroine" character. Not what you should go for when writing a choice based game.
I’m pretty sure she shoots because Frank literally grabs Max by the throat and is seemingly about to hurt her. His dog then comes charging out towards her (and Frank has stated multiple times that he’ll “bite her head off”) and then she shoots it. Frank then becomes irate and pulls out a knife (or gun) and starts charging at her. Either way, it’s self defense.
Everytime I hear or see the word "mid" I can't stop thinking about Luke Correia's Mint Chocolate video. Context: "Whaddya mean! Ya don't like! Mint! Chocolate!" "It's mid! Cookie dough is da vastly superior-" *screams in rage and starts rapidly punching chef.*
David Madsen no matter what option you pick in Life is Strange ends up as a crazy hobo in the desert in a later game in this series. If you save the community and let Chloe die, he talks about how Chloe's mom blamed him for her death and kicked him out the house. So he has a breakdown and ends up in the middle of nowhere. But if you save Chloe and let everyone else die he is implied to have had a breakdown knowing he was the only survivor, that was intesified from him being a war veteran, and he's unfit to be in society and stuck in a desert. But the writers assure you he's great and he's totally happy like this, because Chloe calls him once in a month to tell him how much better her life is with Max now everyone else is dead. I wish i was making this up.
Kinda fucked up that Max and Chloe drive off and not stay to find survivors but no they leave Arcadia Bay. How did David survive that tornado? Was he in the bunker when the tornado hit?
I don't think it helped that those who really enjoyed this game hyped it up to unreachable standards. Its fine to enjoy this sort of game but its clear the style, art and storytelling won't be for everyone.
Obviously yes, but with these videos, they honestly misrepresent this franchise and characters with bs and everyone here eats it up. Seems to be the trendy thing nowadays.
@@digimonlover1632 Man I’m a HUGE fan of the Series, but you gotta realize the game is no where CLOSE to perfect, and even if the game was 100% flawless, people can still hate cause it’s an opinion. Just cause people dislike the game doesn’t need to change the way you see it.
Finished the video, this cannot be real. The dialogue and voice acting is so contrived of anything resembling human. Resident Evil sounds more human than this. The story really does seem nonsensical, and like a comparison Dumbsville made, like a bad telltale game
Well it isn’t. That’s kinda what happens when games like this get blatantly misrepresented. But whatever! “GuY oN YoUTubE TiNKS Life Is StRAngE BaD sO iTs BAd!”
@@digimonlover1632 Every character is so one dimensional and the characters people like are delegated to background characters. Trauma does not immediately mean well written nor does it mean the traumatized character have free reign to do what they want. Like most “multiple” ending games where choices “matter”
So, Chloe's dad dies in a car crash and it's somehow his fault? My dad got divorced and left but I'm not blaming him. Chloe has to be one of the most self-centered characters I've ever seen.
@@cl5470With no set-up? Yeah, except the many times that Chloe starts doing a lot of redeemable things, and the time Max goes into an entire different timeline just to see a Chloe who is a lot more mature and nice about her problems to DIRECTLY show the audience what Chloe could be. Yeah, no set-up at all.
I love LIS for it goofiness and how dumb it is. I like the artstyle and music but besides that it is not really good of a game. So yeah the writing sucks, the story sucks, the characters sucks and yet it still has deep place my heart in because of nostalgia. It sucks though compared to other choose your own story games.
Life is strange is a weird game while it was incredibly cringe I spent my teenage years laughing at the dialogue alone but there was something so oddly charming and nostalgic about this game and I loved that they did cover topics like suicide and more
Yeah I stopped listening to dumbsville when he didn’t have a carbon copy perfect replica of my opinion on life is strange I encourage everybody else to do so since dummy here clearly doesn’t have my refined taste for story based gaming 😎
i liked the concept of life is strange, but i couldn't ever bring myself to play it because of the characters. i did however play life is strange 2. it's by no means a perfect game either, but i did end up enjoying it a lot. what BAFFLES me about it is that the same people who love chloe hate on daniel. a literal child. he doesn't act like such a bitch if you make choices that influence him positively, it's so funny watching people get furious with the kid for acting out, when it's a direct result of their choices.
@@mweeee i had no idea while playing it myself, only when it started showing up on my youtube and i saw the comment sections did i find how many people despised the poor kid
I am happy you recommend Night in the Woods at the end. Back in 2018 that game really helped me reflect and look at myself in ways I didn't think were possible. Even today I'd argue it's still showing my own reflection to me in places and it's really good.
I do agree replacing Chole with Kaite because you kinda feel bad for here I like the idea of you playing someone that's try to show a person that there are people that can be trust giving them the well to live and dive into her mental health with more and respect that would show how powerful friendship can be.
Here to leave my opinion: when I was younger, like 14-15, I liked this game alot, to be completely honest, at the time, it was one of the most original works I ever saw, im very big on action and racing games, so to see a story driven plot with a girl who predicts a tornado and whatnot, i was rather hooked. I still partially like it because I found relatability in some of the characters, people like kate and chloe kinda made me feel connected to them, as I had a lot of dark times emotionally while i was getting into this game, and I guess overall this game for me had some kind of charm that i wouldn't be able to explain. im 18 now and the errors of the game are way clearer to me and this video helped me see the flaws, while I do agree that some aspects of the game were pure cringe, playing life is strange is still a childhood memory, but I am also thankful for this video, I hope I was able to elaborate enough
I remembered I watched some videos criticizing the characters of this game, and I remembered how much of a jerkwad Chole Price is as a character with her awful personality, but yeah. There's a truckload of issues this game has.
I want to see you do Batman: The Telltale Series and/or The Enemy Within and explore how those games did this style miles better and how the character writing took unrealistic characters like Joker, Batman and Two-Face, and made them feel so grounded in reality, which is the exact opposite of what happened here: realistic-seeming characters whose writing is so bad that they can’t feel real.
This entire video made me realize how little I actually paid attention to chole I was so focused on every other character even the ones who don't even have that much screen time besides her
I personally related to some of the stuff the game’s subject matter was about when I played it around the time it came out. I think there was a part or choice in episode 5 that stuck with me that felt like it would be something that would play out naturally and I thought it was a cool choice. I haven’t played the game since then and I don’t plan to anytime soon but from my experience with it, I at least had something positive coming out from playing it. That to me is at least something.
Imagine if Jimmy Hopkins had a montage about his and Gary Smith's nicest friendship moments at the final showdown in Bully (like when they harrassed the hobo or laughed at inbred preps), and then you had a choice between "Push Gary off the roof" and "Hug it out".
Spoilers (I still didn't watch the video, but I wanted to comment something before watching, also I'm from Spain, English is not my native language so I apologize to the three people that are going to read this comment) I played LiS when I was in the second year of High School, and it really hit me in that moment. I was more a casual player in that time and it was the first game that made me see videogames not as a simple form of entertainment, but as a form of art. And I feel very atached to the characters. But I recently played the hole saga again and I'm going to talk only about the first game now. I will comment on the other in their respective video of the channel. (Im new, hi) First Im going to say what I like: The ambient, Arcadia Bay is a beautifull place, the music is good and I really enjoyed walking across the Blackwell campus with relaxing background music and all the people doing different activities. There's some characters that I considered in my unprofesional insignificant opinion, well written. Kate Marshall would've a better best friend than Chloe and I couldn't save her the first time I played, it really hurt me. Dave is a guy who I never thought I was going to like, but playing it again makes me feel empathy for him, he can be an *sshole for sure, but he has live a tough life, and he has to tolerare Chloe's constant attemps to make his life miserable. At the end, he redemed himself and help Max when she needed the most. And I also want to give a point to Chloe, at the end, she open her eyes and saw all the wrong that she had caused, and was willing to give her life to safe the people she loved in the bottom of her heart. I really like William, I wish we could have seen him more. He's a great guy, it's a shame that either he died, or he had to live knowing that his daughter was going to die sooner than later. I loved the part where you went to the alternative reality of William still being alive, I would have love to see more of that timeline. And I also like how Rachel was treated in this game. They sell her like she was an Angel and the deeper you went into the mystery of her disappearance, the creepier it goes. And it really helps to sell the idea of a prequel with her. The moment when you find her body was very shocking and almost disgusting. Now, I'm going to talk about the bad: Chloe is a b*tch, she's a terrible friend and unnecesary rude with everyone. She thinks everybody is againts her and blames anybody else for her mistakes. I would've been good with that if it wasn't because of the game trying to make Chloe appealing to the player, there's moments when she can be a good friend, but then she comes back to being an idiot. When I was a teen, I thought Chloe was the coolest character ever, but now I see that she's someone you don't want near to you. Max is an idiot, not because she's a bad person, but because she has the powers of a literal God and she always find a way to screw things up. There are lots of inconsistencies, like the first time Max used her powers, she teleported back to the class, but in the rest of the game, when you move and rewind, you stay in the same place. Another one is when Dave and Kate are arguing and you have to intervene or take a picture. I decided to take a picture, rewind, and then intervene. But when the moment of showing the picture to Wells came, I didn't had it, in the rest of the game, when you take an object it rewinds with you. Other stupid thing is why Chloe is mad that you stop one minute to anwser Kate's call? It doesn't have any sense, why would anyone be mad at it? I like the Sacrifice Chloe ending, but the other one is very poor. It is only a scene of Max and Chloe in the car crossing the ruins of the town, and zero dialogue. And Jefferson didn't convinced me as the villain. I like the plot twist and the flash forwards refering to him being a murdered, but after that, he has a competition with Dave to see who's the more stupid of the two and, with Max's help, Dave knock him down, and that's it? I liked the stuff with Nathan being manipulated by him and the voice message he send to us just before he died, but Jefferson nearly didn't have anytime to develop as a villain. Those were the more important things that I wanted to talk about, I have to say that it was very fun to play this game again, and it still looks beautifull to me. And yes, the main character is stupid, her best friend is toxic as hell, there are lots of plot holes and inconsistencies and the game is a mess in general, but I still loved it. And I will re-play it again in the future for sure.
why are you calling max an idiot for “not using her powers properly” she’s in highschool 😭 her whole character is that she is a dork, she’s not a genius. of course she is going to make mistakes. She was just trying to use them to help people
What kinda scares me is that i was alot like chloe in high school. but shes like in her 20's or something by the time you play life is strange so she doesn't have any excuses for being shitty. it really showed me how awful i was and how grateful i am to the people that stuck with me till i got better. But yea i wouldnt want that to be in a video game. maybe as a villan i guess. But its portrayed like shes cool or whatever. thank fuck she dies by the killer at the end. Also i have bipolar so i have a legit excuse for my behavior. But im 24 now and by 18 i was far better off mentally.
Its kinda sad that the only reason i stuck around with this game was saving Kate. I know how awful it is to have suicidal thoughts or feelings, to know people who committed suicide and not being able to save them. Idk maybe at the time i played this it was directly after a friend of mine died the same way and I felt like some part of me clung to saving Kate to cope? Shit man i WAS gaslit wasn't i? mid game 3/10.
Doubly so in this case because at least with games like the Walking Dead, maybe your actions determine who's in the ending cutscene or what interactions the characters have moving on. In Life Is Strange, because the entire conflict is resolved by either everyone in town getting murked by the storm (thus meaning that nothing really matters) or that the time travel powers erase everything that happened, also meaning that every choice you made was completely pointless, but even more so than your average text adventure game.
Wait did anyone remeber that max can only enter past photos she's in? Also the "Good Ending" has chloe so depressed about being paralyzed that she begs max to kill her
This is a very love it or hate it kind of game. I'm glad it's worked for people and that it's done some good in the world, and I'm not as strongly against it as Dumbsy but it's not for me.
The sequel though is even funnier in its dumbness from the dumb way the plot started to literally being able to choose to be gay to the part where no joke trumps wall is fully built it reaches moments of dumbness the first game only skated on being
I don't think that all this hate on the game is fair, it helped me a lot when I played it, it has a special place in my heart, it's the best game I've ever played, but it isn't just a game, it's an experience, these people here are the first people that I saw hating this game, and I really don't understand this
I fucking hate this game cause of the characters (chloe mainly) but after all these years hating on the game i just gotta take a step back and realise the game is meant to take place in 2014 ish. It doesnt justify the horrible writing but i could understand the "cringy" pop culture references and shit like that, cause back then i was fucking cringe too lmfaoo😭😭
Well chloe had to go to some shit alone with her best friend leaving her for 5 years and having your dad died the same week and Meeting another best friend to then run away and not take you with her then your best friend from 5 years come back for a whole week not even visiting or saying hello and you meet her by luck oh and living with a toxic step dad who like to treat you like militry man and is stright up bully, 😑 chloe personality is justify
I made a joke way before the newest one came out saying "I bet there's gonna be a vinyl record shop and even more beanie wearing teens"... I was right 😐
I leave a comment, and now I'm obsessed with this game lol.
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@@pokuhmoo9415 ME!!!
I love your vids man, you're awesome
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@@Mangakamen Hello You! love your vids and cant wait for your vid on Yakuza 7/ Like A Dragon! also o7
Any girl who says 'Chloe Price is literally me' should be treated equally to any guy who says 'Arthur Fleck is literally me'
I miss the days when people would say a hero character is litteraly them.
Who's Arthur
@@baimhakani He's the real name for The Joker in the Joquin Phoniex Joker movie from 2019.
@LXIX that were pretty sus days
Arthur fleck is literally NOT me
If you were meant to hate Chloe so much that veins on your forehead throbbed out, she'd be a genius character, but she's meant to be... "Cool?" So she makes me so uncomfortable that blood shoots out my eyes
Bruh same💀
An unlikable character you're supposed to hate is always better than an unlikable character you're supposed to like
Tfw sudden Mangekyo Sharingan
@@jockeyfield1954 yeah, a little unrelated but still a little in tune,
alot of people get this mixed up, sometimes people dont like a hypocritical character because its a ""writing flaw"" when in reality its a character flaw, when discussing traits and characters. it about presentation, will the writing tell you to like this person or will it tell you to dislike them?
Cloe is VERY obviously written badly and by extension the entire game because of the presentation of the character, every character flaw about her penetrates into a writing flaw. because the game tells you to like them and the game will have you like them no matter what.
the author of a work needs to understand what its about, when you are following the villain in a story. the writing should tell you its a villain. some people like to "grey area" everything and want to go deep about things that dont mean to, which makes the writing seem flimsy,, or just. bad?
when someone treats your protagonist bad, you want the story to reflect that
"Hey main character you stink! booo!!!"
"Ok!"
^
thats bad!!
"hey main character you stink!!!!! boo!!!!!!"
"Hey! you stink!"
for games filled with drama its odd they ignore that part of the story.
This is bad writing because they dont ever mention it, if they did. then itd be less bad writing, and if they made it a part of the story itd be,, PART OF THE STORY!
Bad writing is ignoring the possibilities, and seeing them makes it good.
i think your meant to disagree with her decisions but can sympathize with her and why she made them. and yes, it does sorta fail in that as well. her lines in the final scene with the last choice really give it away and what they were trying to accomplish with her. i have no clue if we are supposed to consider her as "cool" though, i feel too old to comment
i was surprised by the amount of people that disagreed or insulted me just because i said that max and chloe friendship was not healthy and very toxic
Were they Twitter people?
@@swagmaster622 worse. facebook people
@@calamitycruz4614 Oh no, not facebook
I’ve had the same happen, I point out the obvious toxicity of it and get flagged by Pricefield shippers. There’s not much that’s truly healthy about their relationship, and I hate the fact that the only person that legitimately points it out, the dream Max, is meant to be shown as wrong or evil.
@@MetallicaRules You know whats the worst? The people who think Chloe is a goddess and hate on anyone who points out her flaws.
The fact that Gary can be a much more evil character in a 12-rated game than the bad guy in a game that's rated 18 really shows how shit the writing is in Life is Strange tbh
Not really, no. How evil a character is doesn’t say anything about the writing. Even then I still completely feel the opposite about the writing all these years.
@@digimonlover1632 i think that being able to write a villain as convinvingly monstrous (without descending to cliches and puppy kicking) is a sign of good writing
Also the writing in this game is trash
@@digimonlover1632 The writers make Gary good by making him evil but also making him very likable and charming, and the game doesn’t force you to like him.
LiS is the opposite, Chloe is a complete asshole with no charming qualities and yet you’re forced to like her.
Gary from what
Oh
How come no one ever talks about the horrible facial animations? You’d think that a game that is 90% cinematics would have a team that if they weren’t going to put any effort into making sense and being cohesive in their writing and fleshing out their characters, then they’d at least animate the characters look and act lively to keep the audience around but no, just let characters hold the same facial expression until the scene changes and make sure their lips barely move when they talk.
at the time the game studio was somewhat small, and the budget wasn’t that big. But they definitely could of made it look better.
It’s weird how when the clips from Bully, which I believe is a much older game, were shown, one of my first thoughts was:
“Why does this actually look a lot better?”
The fact that David Cage games like Detroit: Too Human looks way better than this says something. You think Square would've pumped a bit more money into this.
@@SNK_LRD ok and ?
@@avish878 Bully came out 9 years before LiS
I started it and loved Chloe. Then I realized she's the same type of person who'd ruin your life and hate you for stating its their fault. Even if it's true.
She’s the kind of person who would hate a fired McDonald’s employee because the Travis Scott meal got discontinued
The fact that you at any point "loved Chloe" tells me you're probably a regular victim of those types of people.
well her trope as a character is someone who comes off terrible, but tries to do good. i can see how a lot of people don’t really like her character but when you think of it that chloe has probably developed a ton of mental illnesses from trauma, you start to understand more. to me chloe really seems like a decent example of BPD, try to look at it through that lense
it's hinted that chloe shows symptoms of borderline personality disorder. now, if you go off and say that people with bpd/npd are abusers, you're an ableist a hole and trying to generalize people bc of just one toxic person in your life. plus chloe hasn't necessarily recovered from her trauma (her dad dying and max moving states within the span of 3 days) and it doesn't help that joyce never decided to genuinely sit down with chloe and talk w/o david overstepping boundaries with his slightly controlling behavior. (look at the parking lot scene from lis before the storm episode 2, he deadass cuts joyce off trying to talk to chloe about her expulsion and why chloe actively pushing joyce away).
chloe is a tragic character who has trauma and doesn't act the stereotypical victims of trauma do (i.e., childish or meek and anxious) and people hate her bc of that.
i'm not a chloe apologist but as someone who was a victim of childhood abuse and acts similar to chloe in terms of attitude, i appreciate chloe for showing a different pov of victims of trauma.
This game reminds me of the famous George Orwell book 1984. This really says alot about society.
Literally 1984.
*Jorjor Wel
This is literally Celcius 232
@@deft4184 2oo iq comment
I never read the book but I imagine this is what it’s like
This is far from the first time I've heard someone complain about how terrible the characters are.
But it's always a joy to heard someone call out the awful character writing that I welcome it every time.
When is the youtube arc video coming out
Ross Scott also criticize this game on Game Dungeon
We'll have people talking about how terrible this game is for years to come, and it will still have a positive score on Steam for some reason
Watch YMS gameplay on it, he critices them too
The saddest part is the alternate "Chloe's dad lives" timeline seems like an actually better story. Playing a story where your friend gets into an accident and ends up paralyzed could bring up alot of interesting, heart touching moments, and would actually make sense of the "Life is Strange" title.
But no, we got the bad timeline.
Holy shit, you just made a lot of sense!
Granted, I can see how that wouldn’t sell as much as the game is now, because… paraplegic friend? WHERES the drama and crazy BS!? But, at the same time, I can definitely see how that version of the game (your idea) being WAY more helpful in more ways than one, probably more so than the original!
The irony of her situation after the accident would be she would have a bad quality of life, but despite being paralysed, she learns to appreciate life and the people around her.
@@patrinizer346 ikr these knuckleheads don't get the message among the lines of... "I can't reverse shit 'cuz it could turn out way worse."
@@patrinizer346 that's the thing, people who fail suicide attempts usually live a fuller life, because they realize their problems were short lived. A person who has suffered since birth will be more grateful than anyone else.
@@videoms1271 maybe for some but It's not always the case
This game is "How you do, fellow kids?" in game form. It tried so hard to appeal to the hipster/alternative crowd but all it did was look dishonest and cringe instead of genuine
This is why you never middle age people to write teenage characters
Nah, it’s pretty genuine. People of that age have talked and act like that before.
@@digimonlover1632 A lot don’t
@@digimonlover1632 Tumblr people, no regular teens
The hipster/ alternative grade 8-10 kids with blue and pink and red hair literally act like this tho lmfao 💀
Really amusing how the Steam page reception for this game is still at “overwhelming positive” even after all these years.
Sus
its cuz teenagers are stupid
@@TWIXTIMA0 I didn't know sus translated to their in english.
Our generation sucks
@@theblackswordsman5039 don't feel too bad, some people feel the same way towards Metal Gear Solid 2.
are we all gonna ignore the fact the Joyce (Chloe's mom) is the biggest victim of the franchise? Her husband dies , can barely afford to pay the bills ,her daughter hates her and ruins any chance for her to find love , duaghter gets killed and her partner leaves no matter what option you chose in LiS1
she ends up completely alone
Joyce is a terrible mother
@@Lilothestitch you do realize that Chloe price is way worse in everyway possible like seriously, I don't understand how you defend Chloe's action when Joyce been through worse
@@Eddie-yv1ix Bullshit! Joyce treats her like her feelings don’t matter and David abused her! Chloe loved and cared about Max!
@@Lilothestitch She loved and cared about Max so much she talks down about her powers hurting her and tries to make Kate's suicide all about herself, yeah x.x
@@teacoon6399 Bullshit. She truly did love and cared about Max and she had remorse when Max answered Kate’s call. Stop making Chloe look like a hateful person.
When Shadow the Hedgehog has more alternate endings than this game that's choice driven
talk about embarrassing lmaooooooooooooooo
Well, there is only one true ending to Shadow the Hedgehog, i.e. Shadow defeating Black Doom and using Chaos Control to destroy the Black Comet.
The only thing the alternative endings do is unlock the true ending, and those alternative endings really just boil down to Shadow saying “such and such ideology” is “who he is”, but that doesn’t really mean anything because Shadow’s true colors are revealed in the true ending, i.e. that he is not evil and that he saves the world and his friends.
@@zaneyates5704 Doesn't take away the fact that it still has more endings than Life is strange.
That's why I like the second game more. There's a lot more endings compared to this one which ends up in the same place no matter what you do.
@@vverminn_
Too bad it was written by a sleep-deprived coffee-table.:/
Chloe is literally the worst and I can't remember a single good thing she's done for Max that doesn't directly benefit her. :/ This is literally the best example of the worst best friend someone could have, and the game would be gold tier if it DIDN'T FAVOR CHLOE.
Me seeing the option to kill Chloe at the end: Oh shit finally! Idgaf about the other option this town sucks ass but Chloe is much worse.
The closest thing I can think of is when she drove Max to see Kate in the hospital.
Chloe loved and cared about Max.
@@Lilothestitch lol
Chole reminds me of people with BPD who just take, take, take and give nothing in return.
@@Lilothestitch
We fucking found him boys. We found the clown.
I think the main problem with Chloe is that she’s not written well for her role. Chloe’s supposed to be that confident yet laid back friend who’s also entertaining and relatable. Yet, she doesn’t act like it. She treats everyone horribly and instead of confronting her problems or showing compassion for others she just wallows in self pity and blames everyone else. With that personality, she should have been a person that you thought was your friend, but when you realize how they treat you, you confront them and whatever. She’s not written terribly in general, but she is not what she was written for.
she is a woman.. that is what they do.. blame everyone else and take 0 accountability
@@Deimonos85
Blaming women
Skull for a profile picture
Could there be a more perfect stereotype?
Chloe seemed like a Borderline case, imo...
Agreed. She can be nice sometimes and having a character with flaws to work one is good but her flaws seem to pop up sometimes without really being worked on
did you even play the game? or before the storm? everyone in this comment section is horribly uneducated lol. life is strange in my opinion is a great game and chloe is NOT written bad.
The way teenagers act and talk is basically how middle-aged people see teenagers...which is to say, hilariously bad
Not really when teens do legit talk like this.
@@digimonlover1632 They don’t
@@digimonlover1632 No they do fucking not (source: I'm a teenager)
@@digimonlover1632 Only the weird kids talk like this, most of us don’t.
i've always thought that. sounds about right.
Riddler screaming is, like, the ultimate reaction clip.
Oh hi toganium
Live Riddler Reaction
No!
*AaAuUuUuUgHg-*
How are you here again Toganium
That was honestly my favorite scene of the movie.
Even when I was a dumb 12 year old and first watched a play through I found Chloe absolutely insufferable, I could never understand what everyone liked about her so much back then
12? That makes me feel old I was the same age as Max when it came out LOL
Chloe is a relatable character. She lost her dad in a car crash.
@@Lilothestitch she’s not relatable at all😭 she’s insufferable and does things that only benefit her. Maybe if you’re a self serving douche then i can see how she’s relatable
@@Lilothestitch Oh hi kid.
@@vilmavenla I’m an adult
You know what Life is Strange is actually a masterpiece. It unintentionally shows what fatherless behavior becomes. Chloe becomes a terrible person who blames everyone but themselves and lacks self control because her father died. Too bad the developers are actual brainlets and the "good" timeline is just people being terrible.
I wouldn’t say that was unintentional. They kinda wanted you to realize that’s part of why she’s shitty
Based
Actually she has a step father. But she doesn’t accept him so…..
Cringe take, even if I dont like Chloe
@@thenotsoamazinggracetnsag3463 I mean didn’t he hit her? And record her as well as her mom? Seems fair
This game is the very definition of mid. Not good nor bad it's just kinda there. It exists. I only really like the art direction and music. But if you want an interesting game about fears of young people with great art direction and music just play Silent Hill 3.
Watch YMS gameplay or compilation of his best moments playing the game, he absolutely destroys it and makes fun of it. It's hilarious, watch it xd
@@motivated2473 my man!
Pretty much.
And you know what's the funniest part, it was all down hill from here. Don'tNod is likely gonna got he way of telltale because from steam player charts alone it seems like the first life is strange game was their only profitable one.
Nah its bad.
The fact that people say chloe and thought "humm, I should try to be like her" is genuinely baffling
So did they shoot a guy and a dog for no reason
There's already people like her
The kids call them "Karens"
@@Mr_Mistah there’s a whole community consisting of millions of them, it’s called Twitter, and the subgroup tumblr
@@neroidius6915 🤓
@@neroidius6915 Oh god, are you talking about that terrifying aboriginal cult that cancels everything thats not brainlessly bland and dull?
Chloe's the kind of person to cheat on an IQ test and act like the next Stephen Hawking
stephen*
The game tries to be so relatable but then ends up being so weird like it was made by some AI
worse it was made by the French
@@BiigiieCheeese oh no
@@acemarvel1564 But at least the game is fun to play because of the terrible dialogue lol.
@@Blue-Apple-fc9eo so true, but there is still not that much gameplay to enjoy
@@BiigiieCheeese Oh Jesus! 🤮
This game feels like a story I’d read on Wattpad in 2015 when a 14 year old was trying to be “edgy” and “mature”
you probably did and you still are
That’s a good summary.
it was made in 2014 ‘swag’ era what the fuck did you think they would use😭😭 use ur brain
well…this game was literally made during that time frame…what did u expect
I actually remember playing this game and cringing every time chloe opened her mouth
On god she was a horrific character. The ending choice was so obvious because this game clearly really wants you to like her but they ended up achieving the exact opposite. Why would I sacrifice potentially thousands of lives for an unlikeable cringy prick?
@@joshuagleeson4776 And the worse part she has great potential to be a great character, But nope they just throw that away.
@@joshuagleeson4776 The only reason I can think wouldn’t even be to save Chloe and instead to avoid having all your efforts be for naught.
Chloe seems like the type of person to tell a bi or pan girl who’s like interested or in a relationship with a man “oh get well soon” or some bs like that
Literally no one does that
What?
@@charlotteemily146 A big problem the LGBT community has is the way it constantly crucifies bisexuals in straight relationships or bi women who have been with more men than women. It shuns them for not really being a part of the community, or at least according to the morons who would make that claim. This is me speaking as a straight man married to a pan woman, according to a large portion of LGBT my wife is just a straight woman. For you to say "no one does that" is pure ignorance. Don't speak on shit you're clearly clueless about.
OMG YES. Or tell a bi or pan girl “oh you’re probably a lesbian. men suck. you just haven’t tried women yet.” Honestly Chloe gave me BIIIIG incel vibes in the game. (Not calling her femcel because incel is a gender neutral term coined by a woman.) Like Chloe seems like the person to constantly make jokingly snide comments about how you’re not “actually really bi/pan until you get with a girl” and drop non-subtle hints about how she can make you “real”.
No one has ever said that
They couldn't even write a convincing suicidal character in a game whose major theme is mental illness.
DDLC did this 10x better with Sayori (even though the rest of the game is basically glitch horror).
It didn't just throw you a character with a big label saying "depressed" and expect you to care.
How tf is Kate not convincing? Did we play the same game?
If kate's not convincing, I'm batman, she's literally one of the best characters and this is the best game I have ever played, tlou is very near, but this game is just a masterpiece
@@digimonlover1632 It’s annoying since no matter what you do with her, she still ends up trying to kill herself and does a petty riddle game.
@@Hikkizin She’s not terrible but what the writers did with her makes no sense.
@@Hikkizin she has an "end the suicide" minigame dude
Life is Strange is like Donnie Darko
You got the time travel
The private school
The bullies
The wacky surrealism
An storm caused by said use of time travel
The authority figure that turns out to be a creep
And the big sacrifice in the end
…but the writing in Life is Strange is like if the story was written by a Wattpad user.
Lmao yeag
Not really, no. I wonder why people still genuinely love it then…
@@digimonlover1632 You gotta wonder who’s so fucking stupid and down bad to like this game.
@@digimonlover1632 , only hipster SJWS like Anita Sarkeesian loves Life is Strange, and true video game fans like myself loves characters like Clementine from Telltales Walking Dead, Bayonetta from Bayonetta, Chun-Li from Street Fighter, Mileena from Mortal Kombat, Ivy from Soul Calibur, Trish from DMC, Claire Redfield from Resident Evil Degeneration, Sheva from Resident Evil 5, Lady Dimitrescu from Resident Evil 8, Mara Jade and Jaina Solo from Star Wars Legends, Sophie from Persona 5 Strikers, etc etc, so yes outside of the SJW hipsters nobody loves Life is Strange.
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr Ok maybe you are going a bit too far thinking only the SJW crowd likes this game.
acknowledging chloe's flaws is what the game failed to do... she could've been so much better as a character if the game RECOGNIZED her as a PERSON with FLAWS, not a badass who's immune to criticism or a punk who gets a pass at abusing others because she's been abused as well.
She willingly sacrificed herself at the end cause she knows she’s a horrible person 😭 do you think the writers accidentally made her flaws or something??
My buddy had a copy of this on PS4. We share-played the entire thing and laughed our asses off at how bad it all was. To this day, I can only see the game the same way I see a shitty bootleg or a bad dub of a show: it’s so horrible that it’s funny
Yup.
Me and a friend did a similar thing but with the second one (vastly worse) and we did it entirely in the Japanese dub we didn’t even sleep the first night. It was the pinnacle of my year as a 15 year old.
@@easyontheagavesauce Was the reason you couldn't sleep because of how hilarious it was?
@@MrIrrelevant58 entirely. But also because we were 100%’ing the game so we stayed up and played the whole thing.
@@easyontheagavesauce so you guys thought the racist parts were funny too?
As someone whose father passed away, I admit I was more emotional and angry to everyone around me
*And then I grew up because I was a child when he died.*
If you want to write a character like Chloe, do it properly.
YOU changed, but some people just don't change or need more time to change
@@Hikkizin I mean, yeah. Everyone has their own temperament.
@@Hikkizin The issue is that Chloe’s grief went on too long to the point she blamed everyone for her issues and gaslights and abuses her own friends. There’s a reason I’d sacrifice as she was just annoying the entire story.
@@Hikkizin acting like people taking excessive amounts of time to change/move on (or not able to at all) is a normal and healthy state of mind. It's a problem, and if they keep wallowing and being a dick like Chloe, they're only going to make things worse for themselves as the people who care start to give up.
@@thebushbros6626 I understand why this can be annoying, but I think it's still real, some people act like this because they can't move on, personally I think she's a very good character, a lot of people act like her on real life, so I don't think that's a problem (to the game, obviously)
Life is Strange is one of the games ever. The writing is written, the animations move, and I can say confidently that it all definitely exists
I agree, this game was also made by one of the game developers I've ever heard of.
It's good but you cant disagree with what most people are saying. The writing isnt perfect
@@missdaisy2051 I'm just saying, it's one of the video game experiences of all time
@@iKnowaNoah Yeah at first anyway then when you replay the game you begin to realize it isn't the way you remember.
That's racist.
I think the scene that most represents how awful and badly written this game is, is when max can step in for Kate or take a picture.
Max, you have super powers, you can rewind time, DO BOTH! it cannot be that hard to write smart characters, it cannot like come on.
Oh yeah that… well about that, when you rewind time to help Kate from being harassed by David, at the exact moment when you took the photo, the photo will not be on the inventory… yeah, I’m serious. Is like the photo got “Thanos snapped” because the game didn’t want you to Have your cake and eat it. (Even though you could actually do two different actions while traveling to time for the most time in the entire game)
@@The_GhostWind that, and there's plenty of other times I'm like..max you definitely could have done both, wtf are you doing
@@The_GhostWind wtf that’s just nonsense because in one scene max got to steal a key from a character and keep it after rewinding time. I’m glad I grew out of this game and realize how flawed it is
While I didn't play the game, I feel like it is possible to do both even without time-bending powers.
@@leedlefly yeah I know, and all of this stupid BS happens in episode ONE of all places. And after that it is then contradict by later episodes in which max can keep stuff while also having the benefit of knowing or doing stuff by trial and error because of her powers. So yeah, why does this even exists if it was gonna be contradict by later episodes? It just make it feel that it “NEEDS” to happen without any reason just to advance the plot and because of the whole “your choices matter” BS
I can’t believe how so many people think that Max and Chloe has a great relationship. Chloe is hella selfish and has shown that multiple times that she is willing to rat our max for her own benefit. The fact that there are so many people who sacrificed everyone else for Chloe makes no sense to me. When there are other characters in the story that cared/treated Max way better. What’s even worse is that a lot of people try to justify Chloe’s behavior because of her father dying, though just because you have been through shit doesn’t mean you have to treat others like shit as well.
Hella? Why?
That's your perspective, everyone has different ones. Don't be self centered.
@@channel45853 So we’re self centred for criticising an overrated selfish and assholish character?
@@channel45853 no, that’s just common sense..? 💀
The game forces you to ship Pricefield (Chloe x Max). Ironically, Chloe uses Max's power for her amusement until Max got a nosebleed. There are still many characters who cares about Max and there should be more of them who are a perfect match for Max. And Chloe
is deeply in love with Rachel so it doesn't make any sense to match her with Max.
I'm glad it's helped so many people, don't get me wrong. The problem for me though is that the game actually caused more problems for me than anything else.
I played Life is Strange at a really low point in my life because a ton of people who had gone through what I had said it helped them and all... but it made me feel so much worse. Instead of feeling "seen", it felt more like they were almost making a spectacle of depression, which I know that they weren't _trying_ to. But where I was mentally and emotionally, it made me feel even worse. And since then, I haven't paid attention to anything else this series has to offer because I'm worried that it'll put me back in that place. I'd rather stick with my silly little anime games instead playing anything that involves a heavy storyline of mental illness or just mental health in general, because it feels like nobody can get it right.
Have you every played any of the Persona games? They tackle mental illness and depression much better. P5 for example teaches the player that they can overcome their hardships, by facing your problems and standing up to those who wronged you. It also teaches the player the importance of friendship, and being there for each other.
@@patrinizer346 Can attest to this. Persona 5 is a game that helped me a lot.
Video games aren't therapy. Seek a counselor. Seek a professional
@@patrinizer346 Relying on video-games for mental counseling is an extremely bad decision
@@homophobesblowcock3297 What helped me with my stress was human interaction. Not video-games.
No wonder why so many gamers are socially inept
Life Is Strange is one of those games that people really liked at first, kind of like telltale’s MC:SM, and then people revisited the game and realized how horseshit it was.
Nah it’s more like people liked it at first, and other people made a dumb bandwagon to say it’s horseshit and completely misrepresent the game.
*looks at uricksaladbar*
Man, this game is one of the best things I've ever seen, I don't understand how u guys can hate this game that much, I cry everytime I play and it has a special place in my heart
@@Hikkizin I could say the exact same thing about LIS2. I probably have an idea already what you think about that game.
Opinions, opinions, opinions.
@@Hikkizin How can you cry to a game that has the worst characters that gaslight you.
@@digimonlover1632 Bandwagon? More like people are realising it’s terrible writing.
Dumbsville: "Quick! Think of something good about this game! Uuh, uuh, the music has melodies 👉😎👉"
this is one of the video game soundtracks of all time
“Max’s life is strange”
Honestly the OST is always the hardest thing to screw up. Even bad games have good music most of the time, and LiS has amazing music.
The moment the game gave me a chance to kill chloe, i took the chance. Like, i ain't sacrificing the lives and homes of the good people of arcadia bay for some angsty teen.
Yes thats one of the endings of the game, yes i just spoiled it for you
I think you missed the point of the two endings. LiS is a cheesey angsty teen coming of age story that turns into something inspired by the works of David Lynch, and then the endings let you choose which genre you want an ending for. The problem is that angsty coming of age stories have rather cliche endings Which makes letting Chloe die the better ending.
You made the right choice, my friend.
@@elk3407 it’s just a shame Chloe only matures at the very last minute, and I mean THE VERY LAST MINUTE. When it come time to pick she’s sounding upset about herself and is acting pretty selfless, saying she should actually get what’s coming to her. I like how she finally isn’t a b&,ch anymore but that’s a right angle of a character arc. I have no desire to save Chloe because she wasn’t acting selfless before, and therefore I still hate her when the time comes to make the choice
Then you’re a worse person than chloe is made out to be if you’re that happy with killing a person
@@Lifeisstrangeforlife you're even a worse person if you chose killing many people with families over one person just because "i ship them sm, chloe and max for life" and other bullshit.
Finally… you have no idea how long I’ve actually been waiting for you to make a vid on this game.
the whole problem with this game is that life isn’t that strange
Life is Strange? More like Life is Meaningless? Since your choices ultimately do not matter at the end of the game.
Please explain
@@mr.cookie_the_fish_kicker life isnt all that strange
@@patrinizer346they do, the choices don’t impact the story they impact the characters, stuff you say to someone once could cause them to be dead episodes later.. it was never advertised that there were branches to the story
@@mr.cookie_the_fish_kickerthey’re mad that the story is the same for everyone in a story game where your actions change character relationships
When I first heard of this game in 2015 I was absolutely. The characters were. The acting was. And the music was there. This was definitely the game ever made.
Wtf
@@Godpk11 Yes.
@@Godpk11 yes
I think that Life Is Strange is one of the games ever created, made by one of the game companies I've ever heard of.
@@thatonebonkchoyguy My favorite part was when Max turned to Chloe and said "Wow, this life really is strange."
Can't wait for Life is Strange 2: in the Multiverse of Mid
Lol
Holy shit it’s the guy
there’s already a life is strange 2 lol
@@weebeewob and it’s wayyyyy better!
@@somegirl8007 exactly!
The strangest thing about this game is that you only come to dislike the game after you've grown up out of your teenage years. I haven't heard of it for 6 years aside from the prequel and sequels and as I revisited it I felt different. I didn't enjoy it as much as I used to, the flaws that I used to be oblivious to was easier to notice.
Chloe is the best example of that, so many times she's been annoying and the game never allows you to have max despise her to the end. She's fictional and yet I feel emotionally gaslighted by the character. At this point I sympathize with David by putting up with her BS and Before the Storm at least has the decency to acknowledge how horrible she was to him even if she got zero consequence for it.
All in all I think the games were made for teenagers in their "phase", these people that found help with it were troubled in their own lives and could relate with all the over the top drama. But as an adult you can't relate just as well as a teenager. As much as people got help with the characters (all the power to them!), the fact that the flawed ones are the most liked among them is kind of sad... It feels like they got manipulated by every "good" characters when they probably seeked help about trust issues, abuse and manipulations themselves.
The fact that people still simp for Chloe is proof they never grew out of their edgy teenager phase. Not like I'm a paragon of mental health or anything, but I played it for the first time right near or after the end of college and had a good time with it. It's a TV-MA Disney Channel Movie and I love it for that.
I still simp Chloe. Lol. Yes, I know she’s not perfect and believe me I got pissed at her for throwing Max under the bus with the weed. However, just something about her draws me in. Maybe since I played Before the Storm first that affected how I see her Vs others that played LiS 1 first. I never did drugs and I graduated high school and college with honors but I just feel a connection to her. Growing up I had trouble connecting with people and had people I thought were a friend or something more ghost me/stab me in the back. Maybe that’s it. Plus, LiS did help me realize my sexuality and gender identity as well. This game does have a shit tone of flaws and it is anything but perfect but I just connect with it somehow. Personality wise I am more like Max but I often fantasied, but never actually acted out, about doing some of the stuff Chloe does like making an assholes car role out from under them. Lol. While I actually have a lot of respect for David he did mistreat her too. I say their feud was 50/50. I save Chloe out of loyalty to him and sweet Joyce as well. I think Joyce would sooner die than lose Chloe.
nah im a teenager and i hate this shit, never thought id find a game with more annoying dialogue than a game like borderlands 3 but here we are
Based
I swear to God I'm not trying to come off as contrarian, but I seriously never had anything but a slight sense of loathing towards this game despite being in the age range they were attempting to appeal to when it came out.
One of my pet peeves are twist villains that are basically two different characters and who never once slip up pre-twist, just to fool the audience.
(Like Hans from Frozen who even emotes in a "good guy" way when he's alone and acts heroically without any ulterior motives, and then for no reason at all he tells Anna everything. What bullshit)
I hate that era of character archetypes being popular, and LiS falls into this era. The only comfort I have is that everyone hates the trope as much as I do.
And to be clear, I don't hate all twist villains inheritly, but the character pre-twist and post-twist should be the same character. It all has to make sense, alright.
jeffersons first line is "i could photograph any of you in a dark corner in a moment of desperation" there were hints he was the villain the entire time
@@nxcrobutcher Yeah he's not the worst offender of that trope tbf.
To be fair, the only times we really se Hans alone is the scene where he falls into the harbor. Aside from that, he's usually trying to convince the citizens (or the men who went with him) that he's a good guy. But honestly, if you remove him from the story, it doesn't change much. They proved later in Encanto that you don't really need a villain to make a good adventure story.
He wasnt talking about dumb hints, read his comment once more and try again
Jefferson being the villain is not a bad twist. There were hints on the dialogue since the very begining and the story makes sense. But he is a bad villain. Like dumbsville said, instead of making the old jefferson a more menacing character, they straight up created a new guy and put mr jefferson's name on him. Even his voice changes
I really wish this game had Max either stay friends with Chloe or be against her. This game is so biased toward her despite how she constantly whines when Max won't let her do horrible things like stealing from disabled people or when Max refuses to take the blame for Chloe's actions. She's also a massive hypocrite. She legit broke into a school and went through the principal's PC yet whines when her privacy is invaded. I don't care if it helped her and Max's investigation. She still went snooping around other people's things. If it wasn't okay for David, it isn't okay for Max or Chloe.
Thank you! I hate how kuch hate i get when i said that saving arcadia bay was better than saving chloe
the game is stupid because what it’s TRYING to do is build a relationship between Max and Chloe to build up to this weird trolley problem where you can either save the love of your life or the entire city, but then makes Chloe completely intolerable so it’s not a difficult choice at all lmao. and the worst part is, the tone of the game clearly communicates that you’re supposed to be on her side. as in, the writers expected you to experience all of this and still develop this ridiculous endearment for her
@@applespotty2232 Well it worked since most of the fanbase sides with her with almost every decision except for maybe the choices that deal with Kate. I feel sorry for Chloe, but the game forces you to put up with her nonsense and then shames you when you pick a choice to disagree or, better yet, grow a spine to call her out. She keeps throwing up "wrong" choices back in your face and Max rarely stands up for herself against Chloe. I get that Chloe comes from a sad background, but that gives her no excuse to be such a massive bitch especially towards Max. The guilt tripping is annoying too. Funny enough, most people are willing to admit her alternate self is way nicer.
@@applespotty2232 I agree. Chloe is such a massive piece of work, and the game shames you almost every time you don't choose the choices she likes. That's one reason why I don't understand why people say it has better choices than the first season of the walking dead game. At least in the walking dead, the game doesn't force Kenny, the guy you're constantly forced to interact with, to be your pal, nor does it expect you to kiss his behind. Kenny, as ONE person, will give you hell, but nobody else paints you as a bad guy for siding against him. Meanwhile, Chloe, Joyce, and Max will guilt trip you constantly. To make things even worse, Max will rarely ever stand up for herself against Chloe but does it way more with other characters. That's why I don't get why people say Chloe made Max brave. First of all, Max was already pretty brave without Chloe around. With Chloe around, Max is brave enough to break into builtdings, but not brave enough to call out Chloe more when she's being mean.
Their friendship seems to be running on nostalgia and constantly guilt tripping. I feel bad for Chloe but not enough to use her history as excuse for her nasty behavior.
@@dustymuffincop2481 omg yes that's another thing, the idea that Max was some kind of push over before Chloe reentered her life. it's just literally not true 💀 Max is a complete normal, averagely outspoken character on her own. they just gave her a hipster bob and an art hobby and hoped the audience would stereotype her instead of observing her actual characteristics. and somehow it kind of worked?
This game is confusing to me, I’ve never played it but I remember everyone criticizing the characters. Most of the hate I saw was solely on calling the characters, “Unlikeable Assholes.” Then when True Colors (or the remake? I don’t remember, again I don’t pay attention to this series) Suddenly all I would see is how the game was Kojima levels of amazing, and the characters were suddenly 5 dimensional.
I've only ever played this shit hole but true colors is good from what I've heard
I’ve heard True Colors is better than Life is Strange which isn’t hard to achieve. I haven’t looked to deeply into it.
That's because the fans of the games were still supportive of the series after the bandwagon died down so just appreciation from the fans shined through.
Well True Colors is developed by an entirely different with different writers. Hell I think the only reason they used LiS in it's title was brand recognition.
Sometimes genuine criticism devolves into a dumb bandwagon. Oh well. I still like this game.
it would have been pretty easy to mostly fix kate's suicide, honestly. just needs 2 changes.
1. you get your time powers back when you reach the roof. still can't rewind to keep her from reaching the roof, but you can rewind to the start of the conversation as much as you want.
2. you can't save her.
one of the phrases that repeats in the minds of those who lost friends/family to suicide is "if only i did/said X". that relatable and painful feeling of regret that people burden themselves with in the face of loss. in a story with time travel, setting up a situation where "building up enough friendship points means your friend won't end their life in front of you" tells those people that "yes, those feelings are completely justified. if you could control time, and always make the right choices, you too could have saved their life." whereas a better option is to give the player that painful daydream scenario of being able to rewind the conversation over, and over, and over again until they get it right... and have the balls to tell the player "no. there is no magical out to this situation. no response. no question. no perfectly aligned set of words. there is no way she could have stopped Kate... there's no way you could have stopped them." and for the player to move on, they'd have to come to terms with it, and let it go. if you want to cover such a hard topic such as suicide, you either have the guts to go big, or you stay the fuck away from it.
of course, it's still not perfect. it's still an incredibly left field scene, and would be better suited as the primary story (dropping Chloe and the kidnappings entirely). also, the writing would need to be more nuanced for it to land properly, which is pretty hard when your writers have their heads permanently stuck 5' up their own asses. the subtlety of Max's name being a gigantic exhibit.A for that.
Kinda mirrors Chloe in a way. Someone unable to let go of the past, consisting blaming things out of anyones control on innocent people just so she feels better about her own past and her mistakes
It's actually hinted at that Max got her powers from Rachel so that Rachel can get revenge on Jefferson. In before the storm it's heavily implied that Rachel has wind powers so it's not beyond belief that she could give Max powers from beyond the grave
I’m pretty sure it’s only implied once when she burns down that one tree which fooled the players into thinking she had powers, but then it never comes up any other time so it’s safe to say she didn’t, and if she did, the developers did a terrible job showing it.
@@SilverGeFer That scene was so weird
She just causes a forest fire through her screams, somehow
Then how did Rachel get her powers?
@@night-seeker666 I don't think, she had powers and that the forest fire scene was just portrayed really dumb
@@mweeee I more meant that if she did, how did she get hers, or something.
33:00 This out of context is pure gold hahaha, this is how STRANGE this game is, also if the only likeable character is the one you're supposed to hate then you know something is bad on this game, I guess a lot of people have said this but it's true anyways
I don't think, you're supposed to hate him. Maybe at first, but he literally saves your life and shows, he actually cared about Chloe
If they wanted you to hate him, they wouldn't have included that scene
@@mweeee They wanted us to like Chloe to choose her over the town so, you think they know how characters work?
it would have been cool if you got to pick your friends, like you could do a whole playthough of a game without being friends with the blue hair girl, and then hear oh, that brown haired girl killed herself, and then on a completely separate playthrough you befriend her and realise you were able to stop it. and loads of other storylines with separate endings based off people you get to know.
Yeah, have it so you can choose who to spend time with, and expand on the relationship with the characters you like.
@@patrinizer346 Yeah, like with what Night In The Woods did. It give you the choice to spend time with Bea and Gregg(two characters your protagonist, Mae, has met before and befriended in her past) though it doesn't really let you pick who you should be friends with like how the dude described, the side characters you CAN meet along the way and befriend don't contribute to the ending or anything in that sense.
This sounds like the average visual novel, not even that hard to make.
After watching Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness i can clearly say that Strange is indeed life
Something else very fucked up about Kate is...Kate should be mad at the picture in episode 1, then episode 2 go "You know...I am sorry. I know you were trying to help" or have her take a step back when Max talked, and realized she was helping. Like when you are in a bad situation, you do see stuff in short term or just don't see people are trying to help. I do feel Kate is the best character in the game in concept, and maybe even the best in the game, but heavily misused.
I think the biggest fact about Kate being misused is after she tried to kill herself, Max is like "Okay she is alive" and FUCKING BARELY EVER SPENDS TIME WITH HER. Like Max legit leaves Kate outside the one hospital visit. Like...Max rather make kissy faces to Chloe over...you know...help her friend who tried to kill herself? That was my biggest issue was they throw out a character about to kill themselves, then just forget about them pretty much. She is alive, so who cares? It is all about Chloe now!
I once heard someone say that he liked it cause the game has the option sit below a tree or something and listen to the ost and said it was unique and few games did that. Bro why dont you go outside and do it yourself, gurantee its better than doing it on a fucking videogame 😭😭
Not everything in real life is better than a video game. Please get over yourself lol
Can’t believe people are so hellbent on defending this thing
fuck now i wanna do that with some of my favorite osts, just go outside and relax while listening to relaxing songs like kill yourself from cry of fear
@@TheOneButter Yep you can just do that.
Dude, you can do that in the Last of Us. Just sit there and take in the atmosphere. Hell, a _lot_ of games let you do that if you so choose.
The fact the some people like Chloe unironically really concerns me
I once had to write a high school essay about this game. Im serious.
are you okay?
I hope I don’t
“Had”
that’s implying that you didn’t do the life is strange topic as a choice...
I don’t know know if it was the English teacher or the principal that made you did this but either way, we truly live in the darkest timeline…
Bruh
Were you supposed to support it or did you have a choice
Just killing the dog made Chloe the most unlikable character for me
I was half expecting the dude to be john wick and boss music to start.
HOW does people like chloe, she is the teenage hitler
@@christopherhanrahan1196 game would have ended too soon
That was one of W Chloe moments
@@WhiteeeChocolate please say you aren’t this brain dense… please
I legitimately feel that Tetsuya Nomura would do a better job writing these characters than the actual creators of the series.
Riku and Roxas are legitimately well written, as are the characters from the FFVII Remake. Nomora can write well if he tries hard enough.
Then we'd get an iconic scene of Chloe saying 'Bullshit,' when Max tells her about the timey wimey powers.
@@Calvin_Coolage
Then Chloe puts on her earbuds, and begins to listen to My Chemical Romance
Telltale's The Walking Dead: has several moments with a very very short timer on hard decisions to force you to act on instinct without thinking.
Life is Strange: "Uh oh are you suuuuure? Okaaay."
I also want to throw it out there that Chloe kills that guy's dog and then kills him when he was defending his home and his dog, very relatable 10 out of 10 game capitulates My Life perfectly
Honestly, this was one of the only parts of the game I enjoyed. It was at least nice to be able to put to rest one of these terrible characters. I was like: "Oh. Cool. A good for nothing drug dealer got shot."
The other moment of the game that I enjoyed was watching Chloe accidentally shoot herself. Legit, I rewinded time around ten times just to watch her get shot over and over again. Legit, this game has such crappy characters that I enjoyed harming the "heroine" character. Not what you should go for when writing a choice based game.
@@Patrick-bn5rp You have gone a bit too far bro
@@murilodeavevedo5862 I agree, this feels a bit… iffy
@@sakurahirawa Indeed it does
I’m pretty sure she shoots because Frank literally grabs Max by the throat and is seemingly about to hurt her. His dog then comes charging out towards her (and Frank has stated multiple times that he’ll “bite her head off”) and then she shoots it. Frank then becomes irate and pulls out a knife (or gun) and starts charging at her. Either way, it’s self defense.
Everytime I hear or see the word "mid" I can't stop thinking about Luke Correia's Mint Chocolate video.
Context:
"Whaddya mean! Ya don't like! Mint! Chocolate!"
"It's mid! Cookie dough is da vastly superior-"
*screams in rage and starts rapidly punching chef.*
David Madsen no matter what option you pick in Life is Strange ends up as a crazy hobo in the desert in a later game in this series.
If you save the community and let Chloe die, he talks about how Chloe's mom blamed him for her death and kicked him out the house. So he has a breakdown and ends up in the middle of nowhere.
But if you save Chloe and let everyone else die he is implied to have had a breakdown knowing he was the only survivor, that was intesified from him being a war veteran, and he's unfit to be in society and stuck in a desert. But the writers assure you he's great and he's totally happy like this, because Chloe calls him once in a month to tell him how much better her life is with Max now everyone else is dead.
I wish i was making this up.
I knew about this already but damm some of writers must really hate David
He deserve better
@@owo1125 David deserved worse
Kinda fucked up that Max and Chloe drive off and not stay to find survivors but no they leave Arcadia Bay. How did David survive that tornado? Was he in the bunker when the tornado hit?
@@CakeDispenser If I remember he doesn't leave the Bunker because he's waiting for the police to find him and Jefferson
@@Lilothestitch David was the one character in this game who went through a real arc, and improved
I don't think it helped that those who really enjoyed this game hyped it up to unreachable standards. Its fine to enjoy this sort of game but its clear the style, art and storytelling won't be for everyone.
Ok, no game is for everyone, lol, hype up a game because you love it.
Obviously yes, but with these videos, they honestly misrepresent this franchise and characters with bs and everyone here eats it up. Seems to be the trendy thing nowadays.
@@digimonlover1632 You wanna actually explain how the people that think this game sucks are wrong?
@@digimonlover1632 Man I’m a HUGE fan of the Series, but you gotta realize the game is no where CLOSE to perfect, and even if the game was 100% flawless, people can still hate cause it’s an opinion. Just cause people dislike the game doesn’t need to change the way you see it.
@@digimonlover1632 Could ya be more specific? You say he misrepresents stuff but didn’t say where or what he misrepresented in the video
Finished the video, this cannot be real. The dialogue and voice acting is so contrived of anything resembling human. Resident Evil sounds more human than this. The story really does seem nonsensical, and like a comparison Dumbsville made, like a bad telltale game
Well it isn’t. That’s kinda what happens when games like this get blatantly misrepresented. But whatever! “GuY oN YoUTubE TiNKS Life Is StRAngE BaD sO iTs BAd!”
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried
Wesker, you're pitiful.
@@digimonlover1632 Every character is so one dimensional and the characters people like are delegated to background characters.
Trauma does not immediately mean well written nor does it mean the traumatized character have free reign to do what they want.
Like most “multiple” ending games where choices “matter”
@@lukescrew1981 I tried and yes, even in Resident Evil the characters sound more like normal humans
So, Chloe's dad dies in a car crash and it's somehow his fault? My dad got divorced and left but I'm not blaming him. Chloe has to be one of the most self-centered characters I've ever seen.
And even with the prequel you will only ended up hating her more
Thats kind of the point of her character arc. She is a bad self-centered person, but in the end she will sacrifice herself for the town.
@@xshmeit's an unearned arc that is poorly written with no set up. It's the epitome of telling instead of showing.
@@cl5470With no set-up? Yeah, except the many times that Chloe starts doing a lot of redeemable things, and the time Max goes into an entire different timeline just to see a Chloe who is a lot more mature and nice about her problems to DIRECTLY show the audience what Chloe could be. Yeah, no set-up at all.
Are people forgetting that she's a teenager? I'm not using this as an excuse for her actions, but being a teen is hard
I love LIS for it goofiness and how dumb it is. I like the artstyle and music but besides that it is not really good of a game. So yeah the writing sucks, the story sucks, the characters sucks and yet it still has deep place my heart in because of nostalgia. It sucks though compared to other choose your own story games.
Agree bro. A guilty pleasure of mine too
Someone willing to admit something they like is flawed as shit? Well, you've got my vote.
The bit about chloe controlling the gun almost feels like it was intentionally written like this. I doubt that's true.
it was 100% intentional lmaooo
I love that Gary vs Chloe bit, and you're right, Gary would totally body those types of characters
Ah yes, “Gaslighting” the game (with dlc expansion)
Life is strange is a weird game while it was incredibly cringe I spent my teenage years laughing at the dialogue alone but there was something so oddly charming and nostalgic about this game and I loved that they did cover topics like suicide and more
Cover? More like included it.
Dumbest part of this game is having choices while they never actually change any major outcome except for the last scripted choice in the end
Yeah I stopped listening to dumbsville when he didn’t have a carbon copy perfect replica of my opinion on life is strange I encourage everybody else to do so since dummy here clearly doesn’t have my refined taste for story based gaming 😎
emphasis on BASED
Same
I don't know if that IS irony or not, and that is dangerous
i liked the concept of life is strange, but i couldn't ever bring myself to play it because of the characters. i did however play life is strange 2. it's by no means a perfect game either, but i did end up enjoying it a lot. what BAFFLES me about it is that the same people who love chloe hate on daniel. a literal child. he doesn't act like such a bitch if you make choices that influence him positively, it's so funny watching people get furious with the kid for acting out, when it's a direct result of their choices.
I played all three games and LiS2 is by far my favorite
I never knew people hated Daniel
@@mweeee i had no idea while playing it myself, only when it started showing up on my youtube and i saw the comment sections did i find how many people despised the poor kid
@@noahkirschtein8169 lmao the audacity, chloe price stans am i right?
As someone who's never played Life is Strange I thought the comment section would be full of angry Life is Strange fans
I am happy you recommend Night in the Woods at the end.
Back in 2018 that game really helped me reflect and look at myself in ways I didn't think were possible. Even today I'd argue it's still showing my own reflection to me in places and it's really good.
I bought it and played a few days and I haven't finished it yet, should I play it to the end?
I do agree replacing Chole with Kaite because you kinda feel bad for here I like the idea of you playing someone that's try to show a person that there are people that can be trust giving them the well to live and dive into her mental health with more and respect that would show how powerful friendship can be.
Here to leave my opinion: when I was younger, like 14-15, I liked this game alot, to be completely honest, at the time, it was one of the most original works I ever saw, im very big on action and racing games, so to see a story driven plot with a girl who predicts a tornado and whatnot, i was rather hooked. I still partially like it because I found relatability in some of the characters, people like kate and chloe kinda made me feel connected to them, as I had a lot of dark times emotionally while i was getting into this game, and I guess overall this game for me had some kind of charm that i wouldn't be able to explain. im 18 now and the errors of the game are way clearer to me and this video helped me see the flaws, while I do agree that some aspects of the game were pure cringe, playing life is strange is still a childhood memory, but I am also thankful for this video, I hope I was able to elaborate enough
I remembered I watched some videos criticizing the characters of this game, and I remembered how much of a jerkwad Chole Price is as a character with her awful personality, but yeah.
There's a truckload of issues this game has.
Hell yeah! A 35 minute rant about a game a never played!
Yeah
I played the demo a long time ago and that’s it
I want to see you do Batman: The Telltale Series and/or The Enemy Within and explore how those games did this style miles better and how the character writing took unrealistic characters like Joker, Batman and Two-Face, and made them feel so grounded in reality, which is the exact opposite of what happened here: realistic-seeming characters whose writing is so bad that they can’t feel real.
The Virgin Life is Strange vs the Chad Telltale Walking Dead
The Walking Dead is just as awful if not worse. Especially the second and third seasons.
@@universetournament7173 wrong season 1 is fantastic
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Uhhhh how?
@@universetournament7173 NO
This entire video made me realize how little I actually paid attention to chole I was so focused on every other character even the ones who don't even have that much screen time besides her
ngl the only character besides chole i remember was warren and kate
His entire attitude in this video could be summed up with "Your boos mean nothing to me. I've seen what makes you cheer."
I personally related to some of the stuff the game’s subject matter was about when I played it around the time it came out. I think there was a part or choice in episode 5 that stuck with me that felt like it would be something that would play out naturally and I thought it was a cool choice.
I haven’t played the game since then and I don’t plan to anytime soon but from my experience with it, I at least had something positive coming out from playing it. That to me is at least something.
Imagine if Jimmy Hopkins had a montage about his and Gary Smith's nicest friendship moments at the final showdown in Bully (like when they harrassed the hobo or laughed at inbred preps), and then you had a choice between "Push Gary off the roof" and "Hug it out".
Spoilers
(I still didn't watch the video, but I wanted to comment something before watching, also I'm from Spain, English is not my native language so I apologize to the three people that are going to read this comment)
I played LiS when I was in the second year of High School, and it really hit me in that moment. I was more a casual player in that time and it was the first game that made me see videogames not as a simple form of entertainment, but as a form of art. And I feel very atached to the characters. But I recently played the hole saga again and I'm going to talk only about the first game now. I will comment on the other in their respective video of the channel. (Im new, hi)
First Im going to say what I like:
The ambient, Arcadia Bay is a beautifull place, the music is good and I really enjoyed walking across the Blackwell campus with relaxing background music and all the people doing different activities.
There's some characters that I considered in my unprofesional insignificant opinion, well written. Kate Marshall would've a better best friend than Chloe and I couldn't save her the first time I played, it really hurt me.
Dave is a guy who I never thought I was going to like, but playing it again makes me feel empathy for him, he can be an *sshole for sure, but he has live a tough life, and he has to tolerare Chloe's constant attemps to make his life miserable. At the end, he redemed himself and help Max when she needed the most.
And I also want to give a point to Chloe, at the end, she open her eyes and saw all the wrong that she had caused, and was willing to give her life to safe the people she loved in the bottom of her heart.
I really like William, I wish we could have seen him more. He's a great guy, it's a shame that either he died, or he had to live knowing that his daughter was going to die sooner than later. I loved the part where you went to the alternative reality of William still being alive, I would have love to see more of that timeline.
And I also like how Rachel was treated in this game. They sell her like she was an Angel and the deeper you went into the mystery of her disappearance, the creepier it goes. And it really helps to sell the idea of a prequel with her. The moment when you find her body was very shocking and almost disgusting.
Now, I'm going to talk about the bad:
Chloe is a b*tch, she's a terrible friend and unnecesary rude with everyone. She thinks everybody is againts her and blames anybody else for her mistakes. I would've been good with that if it wasn't because of the game trying to make Chloe appealing to the player, there's moments when she can be a good friend, but then she comes back to being an idiot.
When I was a teen, I thought Chloe was the coolest character ever, but now I see that she's someone you don't want near to you.
Max is an idiot, not because she's a bad person, but because she has the powers of a literal God and she always find a way to screw things up.
There are lots of inconsistencies, like the first time Max used her powers, she teleported back to the class, but in the rest of the game, when you move and rewind, you stay in the same place. Another one is when Dave and Kate are arguing and you have to intervene or take a picture. I decided to take a picture, rewind, and then intervene. But when the moment of showing the picture to Wells came, I didn't had it, in the rest of the game, when you take an object it rewinds with you.
Other stupid thing is why Chloe is mad that you stop one minute to anwser Kate's call? It doesn't have any sense, why would anyone be mad at it?
I like the Sacrifice Chloe ending, but the other one is very poor. It is only a scene of Max and Chloe in the car crossing the ruins of the town, and zero dialogue.
And Jefferson didn't convinced me as the villain. I like the plot twist and the flash forwards refering to him being a murdered, but after that, he has a competition with Dave to see who's the more stupid of the two and, with Max's help, Dave knock him down, and that's it?
I liked the stuff with Nathan being manipulated by him and the voice message he send to us just before he died, but Jefferson nearly didn't have anytime to develop as a villain.
Those were the more important things that I wanted to talk about, I have to say that it was very fun to play this game again, and it still looks beautifull to me. And yes, the main character is stupid, her best friend is toxic as hell, there are lots of plot holes and inconsistencies and the game is a mess in general, but I still loved it. And I will re-play it again in the future for sure.
why are you calling max an idiot for “not using her powers properly” she’s in highschool 😭 her whole character is that she is a dork, she’s not a genius. of course she is going to make mistakes. She was just trying to use them to help people
What kinda scares me is that i was alot like chloe in high school. but shes like in her 20's or something by the time you play life is strange so she doesn't have any excuses for being shitty. it really showed me how awful i was and how grateful i am to the people that stuck with me till i got better. But yea i wouldnt want that to be in a video game. maybe as a villan i guess. But its portrayed like shes cool or whatever. thank fuck she dies by the killer at the end. Also i have bipolar so i have a legit excuse for my behavior. But im 24 now and by 18 i was far better off mentally.
Listening to this game's dialogue should be counted as a form of torture
You’re not wrong💀💀
it was made in 2014 ‘swag’ ere what the fuck did you think they would use😭😭 use ur brain
Its kinda sad that the only reason i stuck around with this game was saving Kate. I know how awful it is to have suicidal thoughts or feelings, to know people who committed suicide and not being able to save them. Idk maybe at the time i played this it was directly after a friend of mine died the same way and I felt like some part of me clung to saving Kate to cope? Shit man i WAS gaslit wasn't i? mid game 3/10.
How is that gaslight
Imagine going to school to learn how to take photos, nigga, just press the damn button
Chloe Price was really trying to be the next Shadow the Hedgehog
to be fair Shadow actually had a character arc unlike Chloe Price
@@Jetstreamsamdidnothingwrong Shadow is based AF
Chloe Price is what Shadow would be like if he was written by Pontac and Graff
I hate when “Your choices matter” games at the end just ask you what ending you want, just basically makes your last 13 hours of playing pointless.
Plus the fact it gets fanbase over how it has lesbian pairings and nothing more.
Doubly so in this case because at least with games like the Walking Dead, maybe your actions determine who's in the ending cutscene or what interactions the characters have moving on.
In Life Is Strange, because the entire conflict is resolved by either everyone in town getting murked by the storm (thus meaning that nothing really matters) or that the time travel powers erase everything that happened, also meaning that every choice you made was completely pointless, but even more so than your average text adventure game.
I'm glad I never bought a copy. Dumbsville explained all of my thoughts about this game in a longer sentence. Thank you
30:12 I literally died from this, how was this approved by the company? 💀
Wait did anyone remeber that max can only enter past photos she's in? Also the "Good Ending" has chloe so depressed about being paralyzed that she begs max to kill her
Gotta love it when Dumbsville makes content on highly relevant, incredibly recent games.
This is a very love it or hate it kind of game. I'm glad it's worked for people and that it's done some good in the world, and I'm not as strongly against it as Dumbsy but it's not for me.
The sequel though is even funnier in its dumbness from the dumb way the plot started to literally being able to choose to be gay to the part where no joke trumps wall is fully built it reaches moments of dumbness the first game only skated on being
I don't think that all this hate on the game is fair, it helped me a lot when I played it, it has a special place in my heart, it's the best game I've ever played, but it isn't just a game, it's an experience, these people here are the first people that I saw hating this game, and I really don't understand this
@@Hikkizin you have an extremely bad bias
@@Hikkizin Stop trying to troll bro, youre being fucking cringe right now
I fucking hate this game cause of the characters (chloe mainly) but after all these years hating on the game i just gotta take a step back and realise the game is meant to take place in 2014 ish. It doesnt justify the horrible writing but i could understand the "cringy" pop culture references and shit like that, cause back then i was fucking cringe too lmfaoo😭😭
Well chloe had to go to some shit alone with her best friend leaving her for 5 years and having your dad died the same week and Meeting another best friend to then run away and not take you with her then your best friend from 5 years come back for a whole week not even visiting or saying hello and you meet her by luck oh and living with a toxic step dad who like to treat you like militry man and is stright up bully, 😑 chloe personality is justify
What about the part where Chloe lost her dad?
Now that you mentioned it, I kinda want to see you do a review on The Wolf Among Us to show what it does right as a Story-driven game
Amogus 😳
I made a joke way before the newest one came out saying "I bet there's gonna be a vinyl record shop and even more beanie wearing teens"... I was right 😐
i promise you true colors doesn’t suck😭😭 especially if you think the main reason wrong with life is strange 1 is the graphics and characters