PART 2 BUNGIE JUST RUINED THE FINAL SHAPE - DUAL DESTINY WAS A MISTAKE
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lets talk about dual destiny the mission for the exotic class items, and why I think in general, it is bad for destiny 2.
the final shape does so many good things, in the right way, but locking out the majority of the community from something so epic such as the exotic class items, is really sad to see.
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The amount of comments is insane. I genuinely wasn't expecting this. I'll try to reply! Appreciate you all
I look forward to seeing your comment section tomorrow 😂 I hope it stays this nice though.
@@lostnemesis I'm actually very surprised and happy that only people who understand are leaving comments. I'll destroy the others if they come though lol
I do get social anxiety due to the many horrible experiences with destiny lfg I’ve skipped raids/dungeons.
been playing since D1 beta, i've been disappointed sometimes with the game but this is the fist time i've got straight up pissed about it. the hell were they thinking smh
Honestly D2 is a fun game whether through the pros and cons and funny enough I do agree with the fact of LFGs being toxic and people not having empathy in an activity that could be solved if simply they'd be willing to help. It is hard to deal with LFGs let alone find the right one. I do see the point of how solo players or even people who are social distant in a game can be. It's easier said than done and I do hope that people are willing at some point in time to open their eyes and see that not everyone is the same.
From someone who has complex ptsd, I appreciate this video. Ty ❤
They really messed it up , people who are disabled or have less time probably will never get it even though Bungie hyped that stuff up so much
That’s the problem with everyone that thinks like you do if you put it in a different perspective, you might see what the point of this mission actually is it’s literally a training ground for people to learn different mechanics just like the new story was they didn’t make it easy Because it’s training you to be a better player being disabled is not an excuse. that’s like saying everyone should be allowed to have all of the raid weapons even if you do not complete any of the raid that is a mentality that will literally kill a video game
That's what pissing me off the most theyade it like everyone will be able to enjoy this new exotic item only to find out you have to do long tedious shit to get the mission in th first place..Bro I don't have the time for all that shit...something like that should have Atleast gave us an alternative way to get the item...
"Here at Bungie, we build worlds that inspire friendship, and our goal is to build those worlds for everyone. We want to make everyone feel welcome in our games and at our company, and believe that everyone should be able to participate in our games regardless of their ability or if they identify as having a disability. Not only does that include crafting fun and accessible games for all of our community to play, but it extends to building a welcoming and inclusive environment for Bungie’s own team and our guests. To help build that world we want to see, we’re happy to announce Bungie’s newest Inclusion Club, Accessibility at Bungie."
Bungie 2021.
Well, this didn't work then.
Great video. Kind regards, from a fellow adult with autism.
I was in a large successful guild years ago and enjoyed raiding. We ran off DKP and I joined every raid.
I went on holidays for two weeks, came back, got an item drop with my dkp and had 1/4 of the guild send me hate messages because they thought I shouldn't have got the item because I went on holidays, despite having the DKP for it (server first drop)
I left after a couple of months due to being made an outsider and having people I once thought were friends ignore me.
I now rarely ever join guilds or play with other people. I was fine with playing Destiny 2 mostly solo except some strikes and even a dungeon or two now and then. It takes me 10 - 20 minutes of anxiety to join, and then I need a breather between games.
I solo'd up to the new quest, did it all by myself. Got the quest flag and saw that it needed two players. I did a quick search, saw that I needed to communicate directly and not only that, it was timed.
After trying a couple of times, I've since quit. I wont damage my mental health any more. They should have said it was a two player mission that required communication.
Many people don't care and that's fine. But for some people to attack others for having issues about playing with others is deplorable.
It’s a game bro
@@ilooklikeobama8492 The internet is just words on a screen, and yet people are mentally scarred every day by them. You're not as edgy as you think bro.
@@ilooklikeobama8492 it's a game we payed our money to play bro, so go sod off bro
@ilooklikeobama8492 Your What's wrong with society because anxiety isn't a joke it can be crippling
I think they will eventually hopefully let solo players just farm chests and not lock it behind this mission, because this backlash is not going to stop. I can't do the duo mission, I haven't even got headphones mic so I'm screwed. A really really bad decision by Bungie.
I work, 2 teenage boys, and 5 month old baby, it’s impossible to do anything with other players on destiny. Due to time constraints or start and stopping anything other than solo I can’t do. Timed missions are out the window. I love this video and thank you for addressing it.
Yeah, people who are young and sweat this game have no idea what it is to be an adult with responsibilities, and think that everyone should easily have the experience they have lol
Appreciate you
That’s like my situation , I just could manage to do much stuff in that game because I was sick a few days but some things will never be possible for me with having a lot of work and a little young son
Gotta love the I’m all right jack people, at 62 years old with 47 years of hard work under my belt my arthritis and falling eyesight makes this type of mission nigh on impossible for me 😢
I have autism too and was excited for the exotic class items until I found out you can't do it solo and am extremely disappointed. I am not even going to try LFG, like you, it produces a lot of anxiety for me.
You are the first You tube content creator to talk about the Exotic class item issue rather than gloss over it and that is why you got my sub. On Steam , 7% of destiny 2 players have the achievement for Grandmaster Nightfall completion which suggests that over 90% of destiny 2 players have said "No Thanks" to difficult non-matchmade endgame activity. Assuming this is reflected on console as well, there is a perfect storm coming for Destiny 2's population .
Yeah, I think a lot of the people who sweat the game, think they are the majority and that they have say over everyone else and how they should play, or what they should have access to
TFS campaign was amazing and made very accessible to solo players, loved it. But this exotic mission on top of the changes to exotic mission rotator and dungeons have ruined the end game so experience. I have never transfered from excitement to pure frustration faster than this.
I absolutely feel that too
@@easynow1337 glad you loved it. that last boss fight is stupid hard and I doubt I could disagree with you more
f that game
Well said , thank you very much for this video, I been so hyped about final shape , not anymore , I’m very disappointed in it now , most people I’m subscribed to for builds , it’s about the exotic class item , useless information to me now , I don’t even want to play right now , I played tons of hours release week , now I feel like it was a waste of time if can’t enjoy full prismatic build :(
saddest thing is Bungie promotes mental health and inclusion, accessibility , does charities and then dumps something like this on us without any comment or their viewpoint, I was genuinely excited for this new class item system, Did everything up to the point when i saw the mission banner, asking me to be in a team of 2, I never felt so let down and empty from a game before, i really like and spend my time years in. It really ate up a lot of my energy and I felt like not playing destiny or any game. Seeing streamers i like not understand is though. I get they dont have the issues in such extent as others and cant not see the point of view.
They fired their accessibility team so I don't think they have anyone telling them about this stuff
@@easynow1337 every single character in the games is already gay, what were they supposed to work on?
@@charleswidmore5458 wtf does that have to do with anything?
@@easynow1337 they already did their jobs and made it 100% inclusive. seems pretty obvious. you can't make every toon in a game gay by accident can you?
@@charleswidmore5458 you are a strange human.
At least someone with a voice is speaking up, thank you!
Np, I'm trying my best lol
@@easynow1337 heyo i had the same pov plus we can maybe get along since i also have autism so maybe we can get along and play together for exotic class items
Haven't seen you first video, but this one randomly popped up. Excellent work. I actually think Bungie has a massive toxicity problem. I quit Pantheon and handed in my quests last season. Not because I was kicked or abused, but I couldn't stand how other players were treated. Or players starting a LFG group turning up, saying nothing, guiding no one, and leaving stating ""It's never going to happen". There should be a way of flagging toxicity, which could in effect bias say an RnG bias in game. Not banned, just bring them Karma. Not sure how enforceable and fair that would be but F me. Every negative thing you said about SOME players attitudes is bang on. Well done for calling out the obvious. And yes, Bungie has mislead and mistreated the solo community
As someone that has week one’d every raid, dungeon, got godslayer in a week and so much more all with lfg I wanna say you’re absolutely right. It is not ok for people to think just because it worked for them it will work for others. And yes bungie dropped the ball on forcing people to play together, I’m happy that’s the main option but it should not be the only option.
Thank you. Thank you for being vulnerable and sharing your heart. It’s so messed up that people can be so toxic and not be considerate of people who are solo players or people who just need the extra help. And people who have social anxiety. Why can’t we all be patient and help one another? You never know what someone is going through behind the mic once they speak. Or how they’re feeling. It’s a big step, it’s nerve wrecking and takes a lot of courage. I myself have dealt with this for years and it sucks. To myself, fellow solo players, people with social anxiety or any other disabilities, know you are not alone. And if you need a friend? I can try to be your friend if you want. Leave a comment or message and let’s connect. Stay strong everyone.
Thank you for being the voice in the community discussing this side of the story. I really appreciate it.
Any time! I appreciate you listening :)
Yea same, thank you for this perspective. 🤙🏻
This is my first time commenting on any video I have watched on RUclips. What you said about social anxiety, mental health disorders, and the struggles we have to try and overcome, is absolutely on point. We appreciate you for trying to bring this to the attention of the D2 community considering the amount of backlash and b.s you will receive for it. There is too much criticizing and dismissing people for how they are or what they believe , and not enough trying to have an understanding of why a person is they way they are or what they believe. We should create a community of people that suffer from these disorders and raid together, i'm sure it would be very interesting and awkward lol.
I am more than used to the bullshit and hate comments, been doing youtube for a long time! Haha
I'm honoured to be your first comment and I appreciate you :)
Let's make a new destination that's a solo destination...... and in that destination let's make a new exotic mission that you can't solo. Hahahahahaha. Seriously wow
Agreed, none of my old friends played destiny so I was always solo and this really irritated me. But I did a lfg and asked for a guide, watched the videos and learned the mechanics and got it done, thanks to the guys patience and willingness to work together. Not everyone is toxic as hell, us lone wolves need to remember that once and awhile.
Thank you for solving the issue the correct way, realising that this is an MMO and using the social elements that are required to play a multiplayer game. Props to you, everyone should shut their complaining mouths and be more like you!
The entire point went right over your head didn't it.
Thank you for this video. If these were drops from the raid I could understand as a solo player not getting these cause I understand that a raid is much more time consuming and more difficult to do than a single mission. Plus exotic missions in the past have all been able to be completed solo, even dungeons can be soloed, so my question is why was this mission made this way for something that was heavily marketed for this expansion?
You're on the mark on this my friend....when I found out I can't get class items I stopped caring about trying to get a build to look for a clan or a team....you need to be the best to get in a group or you get kicked...but can't get to that level without a group....what can you do? Also what is next...story....supers...what is the next thing that will be LFG...as someone who played wow as a tank LFG is rolling with disadvantages and you need to get a natural 20...it can happen but only one thing needs to go wrong and it could be in the last room on the last minute.
This is exactly how I feel and I have mental health issues and tried joined groups and been called thick and stupid cause my issues and hard to explain when ppl don’t understand. I enjoyed destiny but I wish I was told that need 2 players for exotic class items. I wish there was a discord channel for ppl like us. No toxic behaviour just ppl that wanna play and enjoy and take the time to be patient. I would rather spend 2 hours on a mission then be put down.
First time watching this channel, and im gotta say, hearing you say all that made me feel a lot more comfortable with my ...lets say...low social battery. Ive never been diagnosed, and at my age im pretty sure im past the point where it would make sense to get diagnosed. Thanks for telling your tale and making some of us feel a little better about how we react to social situations
I understand this, I Have ADHD, and social anxiety, so making friends/interacting with strangers online is difficult for me, every now and again i find a couple people I can play alongside without issue and get stuff done, but often people quit the games I play for various reasons, and then I got to start over again, or quit aswell, I played majority of Destiny 1 solo.
Thank you so much for this. People have been so toxic about this it's absurd. The arrogant, snobbish, cruel attitude by so many people the past couple days has only reinforced the reason so many of us solo in this game. I have real life friends who play, but they are busy and we often can't match up play times so I'm solo a majority of the time. I've tried to LFG for this mission the past couple days, and honestly am close to uninstalling the game because I've lost so much respect for the destiny community as whole because 90% of the LFG experience has been absolutely toxic. I'm convinced most of them are in LFG because nobody will play with them again after seeing their attitude.
I had a really good experience with the mission through lfg a couple times. If you're not using discord lfg do that. Mention being chill and I think it can totally be a good experience.
Even I'm not super social but when it comes to getting a mission done just suck it up and talk to a person. There's no way it's that bad.
Blud why’re you so negative, just make a post and enjoy the game and if you can’t than I don’t know what to tell you
Bruh. Its not that serious😂
@@herov2 yeah some people just can’t talk to others or don’t know how to talk with others, and it’s honestly sad (it goes both ways with people who are loners or stick in groups of people)
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
Man I am right there with you when it comes to not being able to enjoy co-op game play, There is just too much on me to perform well. Thankfully I was able to get dual destiny done, Sad part is I first tried in LFG feature, For hours I was there Got into one with a person And never got past the first part. I went into Discord asked was completely ignored, Was whispered a Discord link with those willing to work with players like myself. He told me Don't try to tell me the names of the symbols unless you know them, You can describe the shapes and colors instead. Everything was going great worked out well together. And than we got to the final part of the mission, I was getting frustrated hands started shacking my gut felt like it was on fire. Simply because the enemies after you kill them just respawn again and again Which alone isn't difficult but communicating on top of dealing with everything else was getting to me. Even I after closed down the game and just went for a walk. Still haven't played since friday, I've done Solo raid encounters, Dungeons, GM strikes, Master Lost sectors, Along with Every exotic mission outside of dual destiny.
It's like when you get a migraine and people say it is just a headache it's like yea you never experienced the excruciating pain that never subsides days at a time, Or people that think depression is you just being sad it's like right I know you don't know what you are talking about.
I can completely understand how you feel with the social anxiety especially when your wanting to learn a new raid/dungeon or even a mission as I suffer from social anxiety and its mentally and physically draining more so when meeting new people and its a uphill battle inside and outside gaming. Whenever i put up in lfg i always say willing to teach new players as i have alot of patience and never get pissed with anyone if they don't know something. Dude you did a fantastic job here putting in simple terms for people to understand.
Thanks for bringing this up and providing a voice for the non-pro gamer elitists and solo players (there are many of us, we just don’t always speak up). Also LFG is a cesspool of toxicity it’s absurd when people say that’s not the case. Great points thank you
Well said man! Thank for speaking up for people like ourselves who have social issues.
I put my feedback on the exotic class item mission (and how it should be solo friendly) on the Bungie forum and had some real hate thrown at me to the point where I've had to block the Destiny app until it all blows over.
All I asked for was a way to obtain the exotics as a solo player and I was told by numerous people I have a "skill issue"... "Got no friends".. "it's an mmo, go play a single player game".. and more similar. Oh and I even had someone tell me that because I agreed to the terms of service I have no right to complain!
I don't want them to remove the mission..I just wanted to be able to play with the new class items as a solo because of how Bungie advertised I thought I would be able to get them just like I can complete the whole campaign solo, so why can't I get these items too.
Anyways, you're a legend for covering this on your channel and you've made me feel a lot better about my opinion and myself too. Big love ❤️
Bungie forum is a cesspit! I think reddit is better and that's saying a lot lol
I'm sorry you have had those experiences though, I appreciate you!
@@easynow1337 as some one who has been on the internet for quite a number of years ,i can assure you as of now the reddit holds the record as the most toxic and elitest cesspool i have seen in a very long time.
As someone who has autism and social anxiety i really want to do this mission but the fear I’m gonna mess up and ruin someone else’s experience for this mission and we fail and i will feel like a failure about it for a long time even knowing its just a video game
I've told people over and over again and they just don't seem to get. It's not about the mission or how hard it is or anything like that. It's that when you have very important content behind a team oriented objective it closes off half the community. There are so many people with disabilities, social anxietys, or time for that but feel locked out now because we can't do it.
Got a sub for this and the last video. It's nice to see a streamer who gets us, and can be a real voice for solo players, and players with mental or physical abilities that restrict our ability to play at a high level. Thank you.
I uninstalled this game because I can't play solo anymore, exotic missions that require a minimum of 2 players made me prefer to wait 2 weeks and start playing The First Descendant
100% agree with everything you said. Way too many toxic people on this game. I've been playing since D1 came out and dont get to do raids, some of the dungeons and now this exotic mission. I work and have a family so cant play when they first drop. By the time I can try it (like next day) everyone has KWTD, be high power level, meta loadouts, dont die, and personally know Chuck Norris or kick (JK for the last one but you catch my drift 😂)and know one willing to teach cause they want to finish it as fast as possible. I have tried the fireteam finder many times and 99% of the time its toxic people for me. Its not like you find good chill people finally beat it and boom you got exotic. It took me 82 times beating duality dungeon to get exotic which is absolutely ridiculous anyway you look at it and now Im on 46 times for the warlords ruin dungeon and still no exotic. I would join someone with last boss checkpoint and didn't need any communication for these 2 thats why I got to do these. Ghosts of the deep I only got to beat 1 time. Now you need all the criterias listed above to play it. Ive been kicked from stuff more times then I can count.
As i said in your last video. Bungie, unfortunately, only pay attention to the top streamers that play the game for hours and hours and of course, with no issues, mentally or physically.
Not to the majority of the player base who play for very few hours per week. Bungie simply don't care. But here we are because we are freaking addicted to this game. (At least i am)
The LFG is a freaking disaster most of the time and just leaves me not wanting to touch it ever again, but bungie doesn't care and again forces you to deal with all this traumatic toxicity.
I don't understand why they don't do it in a similar way that ff14 does their savage raids. Most players don't do them and that's fine because nothing is locked out for you. (Except for amounts and cosmetics? )
Anyway, i honesty never even considered sone of the problems you mentioned. Its like bungie straight up said: "well i am sorry, play another game."
If you ever need a somewhat reliable player to play with, let me know.... freaking bungie i swear....
It's so frustrating
Dual Destiny is a great mission, but you should be able to do it solo.
Doing it solo makes them mission worse. Goes from one of the best missions to a very mid one
@@sora_2342 ohh and one must experience the vision of Bunigie, says a human who probably takes pickles of a burger or changes the listed menu item when they order.😅😅😅😅😅😅😅 Once a thing is purchased its our property to use as we see fit. Not sure how the modern world brainwashed so many children.
Great video and explaining it all..I'm a destiny player since day one, I play solo alot and when I don't I play with my stepson.. My problem is I'm 53 with a spinal cord injury and over the years of heavy meds and other things it's hard for to comprehend what's going on with these puzzles and mechanics..I know I'll never get this mission done to be able to get the class exotic and it sucks..it just hasn't started with this mission..I haven't been able to do a lot of them over the years to get the great gear or weapons..
Well sir, have you ever considered just doing nothing at all and sitting in your room forever and never enjoying things?!
That was sarcasm lol
Your situation is horrible dude, but you're a warrior and have kept going regardless, be proud of yourself!
Main thing with this mission… if it was an experience that opened up after completing excision, and it was for a unique legendary weapon with a chance to get an exclusive shader and hoverboard it would be lauded as an epic win. The mistake? Putting THE hype item behind this mission. The exotic class item. They could even do guaranteed drops of the class item in there too… as long as there was another way to get it. The Enigma vex time trial would have been one alternative. Still hard, but doable with no communication. ANNND… it’s Matchmade.
Yes this
LFG is SO Toxic! The one night I wasn't on to play with a friend, I watched his stream on discord and the people ARE SO TOXIC! He was cussed at, told he sucked if he missed a jump or shot the wrong picture. Destiny is one of the most toxic games I have ever played.
This was an amazing video and perfectly explained. I'm a solo player myself and it hurt to here how you go through life. It's a game and other people complaining about something that has nothing to do with them is ridiculous 😂. Stay strong and keep being awesome.
100% got ya back bro I'm 45 with social anxiety I've been playing destiny since it first came out and I've always been a solo player LFG is horrendous there should be an option to solo most of the content
I agree with a lot of your points made in both videos. I’ve been a solo player since D1. Anytime a raid or team required events happen I just skip it. I really hope they at least change it to accommodate the solo players even if it would take longer and be harder.
Thank you for being a voice for us. Prismatic was the main reason I purchased the expansion to only find out it’s locked behind a mini raid. I rarely do raids due to the lack of fireteam and time. Not to mention how elitist the LFG is. Anyways, thanks again for speaking out on this and for those of you who need to hear it again…Destiny is NOT an MMO.
I'll always be honest and speak my POV, I'm happy that it lines up with so many others. :)
This is my opinion, something as strong as class items should for sure be locked behind a hard activity. But requiring people to play with another person, especially since there are so many casual solo players out there that just want to have fun is ridicolous. Dual Destiny is a extremely fun and unique idea I just feel like class items shouldn't have been locked behind it.
It's also shocking to see that other content creators just say the same just grow a pair and do it. I have no problem that some weapons and other things are behind dungeons and raids I only have problem with the way they handle the exotic class items. But thank you for sharing your story.
I thought I was alone in this. Thank You for voicing what I have been trying to explain for so long and getting toxic remarks about my condition.
I'm genuinely sorry you have to deal with this stuff too. I'm glad I could put my voice out there for everyone
This makes me actually sad - because my best friends I’ve made playing this game while pushing my skills further and further . Listen - I agree, it’s very difficult to find a skilled player who also isn’t toxic who also is patient af. I spend an absurd amount of my time helping people in these scenarios. I can’t tell you how many people I’ve helped through full runs of legendary campaigns, dungeons,raids because of disorders like this, or just general lack of knowledge of the game. If you ever want someone to rely on who won’t make you feel that way you are always welcome in my group and/or happy to duo anything in this game with you.
You're incredible, keep helping as many people as you can!
I’ve got bad eyesight, that really hurts my chances of ever completing this activity
Easy fix, fix the glitch in Dual Destiny and purposely reward completions with x 2 drop. Enable class items to drop in overthrow / pale heart (chests) as a reduced drop rate 👌 Solo players are willing to grind it out. Win for Bungie, win for group & solo player-base.
That was absoloutley fantastic what you said on both videos. Bungie should put you on their paroll. How anyone would criticise you for yesterday is beyond light, I mean me. I was so inspired with your facts and common sense approach to explaining and obvious flaw that I joined my first and only channel. Ive played more than 1050 days on this game, work that out in hours. And as good as the DLC is, its a joke that a class Item cant be obtained solo. It cost 160 dollars and we cant get it solo WTF. Cmon Bungie.
It’s nice to find another content creator who’s affected by autism, I don’t mean that in a bad way either. I, myself, have autism. Only, it’s not as severe, I manage to keep a very normal lifestyle. The only negatives I have is my inability to navigate my emotions, and my social awkwardness.
I’m sorry, Easy, that you have to deal with the sensory overload issues. I hope you have a good time outside of Destiny. Because we all know that in Destiny, we’re only going to rage or dread the current state of the game.
Thank you your video and voice for solo player.
My issue was that they never said anything about needing a partner to get them.
Well on the flip side, they never said you could get it solo either.
@@TrickyHunter678since 95% of the game is solo friendly, and exotic missions have always been soloable, expecting something else didn't make sense. Especially after marketing it so hard as something everybody can farm easily
I'm a solo player and while I agree with the difficulties and reasoning, I don't feel that Dual Destiny is a mistake.
Like so many other players I have many reasons why I play alone. Many of those were triggered when I first installed D2 a couple of years ago - as soon as I got to the part where I saw other players running around on the screen in Cosmodrome I quit the game and didn't touch it for a year. Beneath my social anxiety is inattentive-type ADHD - I struggle to keep up with what is going on and zone out on random things. Bots and NPCs don't care but REAL people are terrifying. Just takes one impatient and opinionated person to spoil the entire experience.
So yes, the Dual Destiny mission has been sitting there untouched since I unlocked it a week ago. So why do I think it's not a mistake?
Putting aside my personal experience, it's clear that D2 is predominantly a multiplayer game. Even on the PVE side, so much of the content and weapons are locked away behind dungeons and raids. I had to make peace with that early on. Dual Destiny is nothing new in that respect. Do I need an exotic class item? Not really.
So back to the point after I picked up D2 again and got used to seeing other players in the common spaces. That was personal progress #1. From there I avoided Vanguard Ops and everything PVP. Eventually got used to strikes as they were required in some of the campaign or new light quest line. Commendations? When I first started getting them I thought I was being made fun of. Yes I'm that paranoid.
So two years in and this socially anxious person dragged themselves to the point where low-key cooperative play (V Ops) was tolerable. I never would have done that had the game not edged me closer to it. It was probably another six months before I dared try LFG. That didn't go well so I stayed with solo.
Eventually though, the lure of something new had me reaching out. I think the first breakthrough was when I was stuck at the ogre soloing Wish Ender (in Shattered Throne). My frustration pushed me to trying LFG again. Amazingly I had an incredibly helpful guardian drop in and help out. They also send me a clan link. That was last year.
I still have exactly the same social / neurodivergent problems I've had for 50+ years but I've come to realise that there are tons of decent people in the D2 community. I'm still a solo player (99.4% when I look at total gameplay vs clan discord VC) but I know that it won't be long before I'll scrape up the courage to find a partner for Dual Destiny and it will be fun no matter what.
I'm mute and deaf and on ps5. I'm never going to be able to complete this
It’s possible to complete with in game text chat.
@@TerrifyiN_its not smh. Typing on a controller takes to long for the short time you have to shoot the right numbers on the clock smh. Next time think before you speak.
Get a keyboard for $10 then
@@JacksonMorettiwhy should he need to buy a keyboard just to be able to play a mission to get an "easily farmable for everyone" part of a dlc he already paid for?
@@JacksonMorettiyou're actual scum bro. Why don't you go get a life, it's free...
I mean the only reason why I had friends in D1 and the beginning of D2 was because of my nephew's the other ones that were able to make friends and they just kind of brought me into the fold but they don't play destiny anymore so I'm stuck as a solo for the last 7 years
I'm a quite person,I have social anxiety spawning from growing up not talking much and spending years as a shut in. I really do dread talking , especially when having to deal with potentially toxic people. Nowadays I'm developing a pretty bad stutter as well sooo none of that really helps.
That sucks, but know you aren't alone in how you feel
Unlucky 💀
Its truly ironic and disturbing that some people who have multitudes of free time on their hands to play the game all day get butt hurt about having to patiently work with struggling players who just wanna dip their toes in during the limited available time they have. I work two full time jobs currently and I don't even consider playing any content like raids or dungeons that I know are going to require committing a massive amount of time, not because I don't think it could be time well-spent, but because I would feel awful if I became the reason the rest of the team felt they wasted theirs. The last thing I purchased from bungie was the discounted shadowkeep expansion during lightfall, before that I got beyond light, and I bought the game with forsaken. I played d1 and loved it, was super stoked for d2 when I played the free beta, but had to wait years to actually get the game just because I'm poor. Of course I buy the game for about 50 bucks which took me a while to save, and a couple years later they make it free... so im not surprised that there's a lot of toxicity in the community, I just do my thing and try to enjoy as much out of the total 100+ bucks I spent on the experience. Still have skyrim special edition I bought for 20 bucks on the Playstation store, and dark souls I bought for 30, these will give me many years of playable content long after destiny's servers make like trees and leave us, for not a dollar more. Thats a dam good deal.
My brother has autism also, he has sensory overload and he’s a lot like you. I support everything that has to deal with autistic people. My brother was also let go from his jobs as well because they wouldn’t adjust to his needs. I also been on destiny since day one.
Thankyou for this, I have this exact thing and am also autistic and you talk about what the effects are afterwards with burnout. I got to the part of the quest (plus the focus coop mode) and all that positivity about TFS which i soloed the legendary campaign and loved, being forced into a 2 person situation (hard enough when it’s more but at least it’s less intense) to get necessary drops just really tainted the excitement over the release for me
Thank youu for this as someone who literally goes mute irl these people have been so dumb. Ive been a solo player and my experiences with people online in general causes me to go mute more online than irl.
Well sayed. The toxic players will never understand. But us solo players will. I have a personality dissorder that keeps me from playing with new people. And people in general realy.
Thanks bro, everybody who's not addressing this like you (Also Mr. Gaming Counselor, he also made a great video) just fell from grace from me. The Self-centeredness, selfishness and tone deaf is astonishing. Bungie loves to gloat over the fact they are super inclusive but this demonstrate that they are pure talk. What I've noticed on LFG/Fireteam Finder, there are a lot players with different disabilities. I have always jumped in on those groups and help them with GM's, you can find visually impaired, deaf, mute, etc on the tags of the group and THEN Bungie does this to this mission.
I'm gonna leave the comment of a mute gamer girl who expressed her experience so far with D2 and the reason as to why she solo plays (this from another video and omitting her nickname for obvious reasons):
Solo player-ish
Reasons why:
1) Community toxicity. Speedrunners and Clear Farmers I just won't run endgame stuff with anymore. I've yet to run a raid with a speedrunner/clear farmer that didn't completely fuck up my day.
2) Loot. This isn't a point about the loot being bad. It's phenomenal. When I can actually get some. My RNG is beyond fucked at this point. I'll spare you the details, but tl;dr: 1 gun per raid and 1 every 3-5 dungeons is deeply frustrating. Also, why does 80% of everything roll with a Reload Speed Masterwork?
3.) I'm mute. I can't speak. Most teams won't have me, and most of those that will spend the entire time being abusive, disrespectful, arseholes to me. Hundreds of raid clears, day 1s, titles, it's all meaningless. "Get a mic, bro." Thanks. A microphone is clearly going to fix my dysfunctional larynx.
4) There have been so many prior bad experiences, from clans run like destructive high control groups, to nightmare LFGs, to harassment, abuse, racism, sexism, death threats, r*pe threats, people sending me unsolicited dick pics, creepers, obnoxious sex pests, griefers, trolls, throwers, jackasses, disrespectful douchebags, flat earthers, general time vampires, etc. that it's just not worth it anymore. I'm playing this game to have fun, not to get treated like shit.
5) All my friends quit. Finding new ones just isn't worth the abuse.
But let's applaud Bungie for purposely designing a mission that clearly ostracizes players with real life struggles, I mean they have it rough irl why make it harder here too?
Thanks you doing a great job I'm a solo player you hit it dead on keep up the good work
One of the best and most insightful destiny video’s I’ve seen in years.
I don’t have the same social anxieties as this but what I do have is years of the same experience. The elitest attitude of a lot of players has ruined this game for years. PVE, PVP it doesn’t matter the amount of people who think they are better than everyone else is unbelievable. Patience is a virtue and more people need to understand who they are playing with and give them the time. After all that’s what it should be about. Stay strong brother you are 💯 correct in everything you’ve said.
Thank you mate, I appreciate this!
I can fully understand what you go through. As a fellow solo player with bad anxiety as well as autistic children, I am willing to talk to you and be here for you because I would want my kids to have someone there for them.
Thanks, I absolutely appreciate that, and you :)
Thank you so much for posting this video. This side of destiny needs to be talked about more. I'm 54 yrs old and I've been a gamer since the days of zx spectrums and c64. I love destiny to bits, but like so many other players watching this video, I struggle with connecting with similar people to get these coop missions in the bag. This isn't just a game for the pros and streamers ,it's a game for all...we all paid the money for the game right !! . I totally understand why bungie made the dual destiny mission a coop mission....to try and get people to play together, but for some of us with the disabilities you talk about are left out. Please Bungie...make these missions more accessible to those who struggle with social anxiety....we love your game to.
Ah man, c64. People will never know the experience of rewinding your games lol
I'm so happy my experience can help so many others feel they have a place
Yep....the good old cassette tape and turbo load days 😅 taste the rainbow 😆. Fond memories indeed.
They made this season a little more hard for many different reasons and if you look at it, it’s almost like a Boot Camp for players to learn mechanics and other things that are used in raids. Also, it put you in situations that you’re not used to and in return will eventually make you a better player, not everyone that plays destiny deserves to have every bit of the loot that the game offers that would mean that all of the rare emblems and all of the raid weapons would be shared across the community. It takes effort to get some things in Destiny, that’s what makes this game playable to most if you jump on a game and immediately was able to acquire any weapon you wanted the game no longer has any replay value not only would it be stupid for the company to do something like that it would pull a majority of the players that have been playing since Destiny one away I mean, think about it if anyone in this comment section remembers getting a gjallahorn to drop completing a raid and getting the raid gear that you finally wanted Required a lot of effort and time the problem with a lot of people that play destiny think because they pay for the content they are entitled to everything in the game that is untrue. But everyone has the ability to get better to learn to spend time and then once you get it and you finally accomplish it it’s more meaningful, which creates a more meaningful gameplay experience. Here’s another way to look at it not everyone in the destiny community will ever go flawless, but there is loot that you can acquire by going flawless that you cannot acquire anywhere else. Same goes for pve content
100% agree man thank you ...from South Africa 🇿🇦
I used to stutter like a madman and i still do sometimes - I experience the same as you talk about! - English is not my first language, so that even builts on top of it.
Would love a community, that values this - because this can also help people built and grow through it and get better in all aspects of their life!
The exotic class item mission should have been matchmaking. As a solo player I know I will never get it unless by some miracle, divine intervention or if Xür sells it. Anyhow, well said & couldn’t agree more w/ what you’ve said. Aloha oi!
I couldn’t agree with you more here. I actually had a thought of placing the first class item per character behind tier 3 focusing at Rahool. But I couldn’t agree with you more, don’t change the exotic quest, in fact, make more. Just specifically on the exotic class item, give solos another way. This expansion locked solo players out of both the exotic class item and microcosm. The two main exotics that pushed people to purchase the game.
Microcosm has alternate weapons though, so I'm not too upset by that (I do have it for context)
But class items are wholly new and unique. It's sad to see them locked away
@@easynow1337 you are correct, that is why I was not so much bothered there as I was the exotic class item. The one item that is supposed to allow you to build your prismatic character in a manner that suits you.
@@easynow1337we are here for you fellow solo player
@@easynow1337 Exactly this. I have no issue with individual exotics being locked by this type of quest.
But an entire category which is integral to the prismatic subclass to be locked behind this type of restriction is an issue.
Wow what a video. This is really hard for me to type right now because I have the biggest fear with social anxiety and what people think about me. I had to stop watching at 10 minutes because I was overloaded. I do agree with everything you said up until the point. You are doing great work sir.
don't stress yourself out if you don't have to!!
I appreciate you
Coming from someone who has done lfg a lot because of me being a solo player I don't find this mission too difficult it is just the dread of talking to a complete stranger hoping that they wont be toxic. If they made it a timed mission and took out the comm heavy mechanics and just made the mission match made than it probably wouldn't be as bad. I ran it once with a friend and twice with 2 different randoms and both randoms do the mission slightly different from each other so not having a definitive way of completing the mission also makes the mission comms hard. But I don't have the same anxiety problems others do because mine isn't the severe or crippling kind that makes doing this kind of mission impossible. I hope they either make it so you can buy the exotic class item from Rahool or that they increase the drop chances from Pale Heart chests because I only have gotten mine from the mission itself. And I am not looking forward to farming that 1 mission 60+ times just to get the roll I want.
First, thanks for taking the time to make the video. I don't think we(the consumers) say that enough. I agree with your perspective and do not like being forced to play a certain way. For the Pathfinder rewards, for example, I have not come across a path that does not eventually force you to play gambit or crucible. I primarily enjoy vanguard missions and would enjoy the system if I could choose a path all the way through. I do not like the dual or trio coop necessity for progress.
Я полностью согласен с тобой. Разделяю твои слова. К сожалению разработчики не изменились и не понимают свою аудиторию. Теперь я думаю, что сейчас их единственный путь на возможные позитивные изменения - это полное поглощение и прямое управление со стороны Sony.
You’re the man thank you for this.
The fact your autistic and explaining your circumstances, while might not sway the elitists, should help more people understand. I've been an advocate for people with disabilities forever simply because I'm in, or about to be in, one or more of those groups. I suffer pretty bad tinnitus. There are times when the ringing in my head is so loud I can't hear anyone, and on the days it's not as bad it still drives me crazy because I either misinterpret something that was said, or just straight up imagine I heard a something when I didn't. I've also been told I'm on the autism spectrum. I don't know how true that is, I've never been diagnosed, and I've not really had the will to get a diagnoses one way or the other, but I'm generally anti-social. My father served in the air force, so growing up I didn't really have a stable childhood. I was constantly moving states and schools, so I never had a chance to know another person besides my family for more than a year. As a result, I just never really learned to connect with other people. When I did finally get to settle down, well, you know how kids are. Got bullied alot in school, so even after I could form a connection, I never bothered. Even today at the ripe age of 35, I don't really have "friends" persay. I know people, but I tend to view it more of an acquaintance situation, not an actual friendship.
We don't want to change the mission. We just want a chance. Is that so difficult to understand? I'd gladly take the 2% drop chance in chests if I was given a solo mission that didn't drop the exotic class items but only unlocked the ability to find those items in the chests. You guys get to keep your 100% drop chance in a mission you can speedrun in 10 minutes, while the solo people can grind out chests at 2%.
We sound very, very similar.
I appreciate you brother
Thank you for telling it how it is you hit it right the nail on its head I had the same thing cuz all my friends left when they didn't bring trials back then when the sun set it all the weapons they left for good so I lost my whole clan and I don't feel comfortable playing with new people and trying to start another clan thank you for telling the truth
You just became my #1 Destiny streamer, props on addressing this in a kind respectful and inclusive manner, if only all the others had the same respect that you do 👍
Np! Nobody else has to deal with the things we do, so instead of learning and understanding, they just play the best hand for them, which is defending bungie
I remember about 3 years ago there was a list of what game had the most toxic player base. Destiny 2 was in the top 3 everyone was so shocked this situation just proves it even more😂
Love you man. Hope you’re doing better ❤
Never in my life a video resonated so much with me, thank you very much
You absolutely nailed this vid. There's nothing more to say. Exotic gear is so basic for builds nowadays that it's an asozial move how to acquire this class item
I feel for those that dare to say anything about it. X is full of hateful comments towards them. For those such as myself that play solo, it is available as a drop in the Pale Heart. I just came to see the end of it and until Black Myth Wukong drops. I don't think i will play Destiny again. Bungie and the some of the community are as fake as the commendations they want us to give out.
I just want to add that i've been told that you must clear it on all characters before they drop. Unfortunate for those solos.
But you have to complete the mission at least once to get the drops from pale heart right?
@@mattisvicious6069 Yeah, you have to complete it on every character you want to farm pale heart with.
@@mattisvicious6069 Oh my bad, didn't realize that , that sux than. At the very least it would have made it fair for those not able to team up. Thanks for the clarification.
@@briangueringer3673 Didn't know that, thanks for clearing that up and saving me a lot of time.
@@karx11erx Thanks for the clarification.
This is what most destiny players try to use as ammo to say destiny is an mmo
Mark Noseworthy admitted Bungie has accepted the MMO label on Destiny 2. “It walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, so it's a duck,” he said.
Apparently not even the VP of bungie knows wtf an mmo is. Bc bungie neither quacks like a duck or looks like a duck.
But that absolute elitism in this community is ridiculous, bc allowing a solo to do a mission tye elitist had to do with a buddy takes away from their "accomplishment" apparently. So only they should be able to get "everything" in the game.
i also have autism but my issue the past few years has being allergies. when i get overloaded I tend to get upset and rather not talk to anyone by focusing on ways to reduce the allergies or go somewhere to take a break. sadly for each person with autism the process of being overwhelm is eerie similar but each one is unique and different. so i can relate.
I work all the time and have severe adhd so i understand and always play solo. Great video.
Thank you for voicing this problem out bro this is very big help 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I'm with you bro, I've done this activity at least 15 times and I still agree with you. People have fricken lives.
These kids on the game lack empathy and understanding. I will also add that the raid changes have made raiding even more inaccessable and toxic. Definitely not learner friendly.
Also, I'm sorry that these idiots down voted you. These are the toxic folks that make me not want to play the game.
I managed to complete the mission once, but it drained me so much that I don't want to do it again. The class items I have right now are horrible. I was just going to not worry about it and hope to get it from a chest in the Pale Heart. I decided this would be my first time doing a raid, but I got kicked out of a Discord server and several LFG groups specifically because I played as a Warlock. They said I wouldn't have enough DPS unless I had a specific exotic class item role, or I could switch to a Hunter and use Celestial and Golden Gun. Multiple groups said this, so now I've decided to just never raid. I'm not going to grind a mission over for hours, days, or weeks-who knows how long-until I get the god roll drop, just so I can do a raid.
also you remind me of one my fav destiny youtuber dpj keep on dropping videos'
A very thoughtful and insightful video. I've only been playing Destiny for a couple of years as a solo player and realise that a few exotics I will not get because they require teaming up with experienced groups. I'm cool with that and realise its not the be all and end all. Its' a game in the end and toxic people don't seem to realise that. Instant sub.
Thank you! I appreciate you
I felt every word you said in this video. I had to prepare for 2 days to build up the courage to join a player I didn't know. My anxiety gets enhanced by the reason I have to speak a language that isn't my first language. And my first language is spoken by less than 10 mil in the world so there is no ide trying to find one that speaks my first language. I have still not been able to get the new heavy becouse of this reason, so I hope they can find a diffrent way for solo players to get it. Thanks for speaking up.
Hiya I’m the same my anxiety is so bad I have to lay in the dark for a few hours I can’t socialise it’s a nightmare I’m a solo player it makes me so happy to see this being spoken about thank you so much and much respect to you
Np! We are in this together, but separately because we have anxiety :p
Wow 😢
I have anxiety but I try my best to join in - happy to help if anyone needs a partner for this
Yeah I’ve tried lfg tonight and I got booted cause I told them it was my first time and I know pretty much what to do just need help on the clock bit 😢 so I’ve come to terms I’ll probably never get a class item
@@leewillis68 if you are available in the next few hours i'd be happy to help you get the class item
Well said my man. I agree with you 100%. Especially with the part that it was messed up that Bungie omitted the need for 2 players for the exotic quest until after the TFS was released. It disappoints me as well.
As a majority Solo Player myself (although I did use the app's Fireteam Finder quite a bit in the past. I haven't used the in game one because of all toxic bs I've heard about it though)
I wholeheartedly agree there should be another way for solo players to farm these exotics (Class Items) Yes still require them to do the mission at least once to unlock the item with Rahool.
But, maybe (seeing they reworked the Cryptarch) just by doubling the engram requirement when focusing (like we can for every other exotic armor piece) seeing it has 2-ish exotic perks
This hits on so many levels. Thank you for this video
You're so welcome!
I was writing this whole big comment giving my personal story and opinion, then I looked at the comments and figured there'd probably be very little empathy towards my situation so I won't bother. I'll just say very good video, although I feel that the majority of the community will likely miss the point and statements you were trying to make. The pizza analogy is fantastic.
I appreciate you, and you should keep yourself safe from the cretins in the comments :)
I don't think most people will miss the point., a good chunk will but there is a incredibly large number of people who will instead either offer to help those with trouble themselves or point to areas where one can get help in a non-toxic environment.