This is a comparison I've been waiting for. Surprisingly, not many people has done it. Thanks for the efforts. However, what I was looking for in this video is the comparison of the photos capture between the 2 lenses. I was hoping you will present it side by side in one frame instead of presenting one after another. I've already own the Samyang 12mm manual version, which I am using primarily for capturing milkway shot. For me, the wider focal length is much more important than the one stop brighter. Having said that, I won't mind losing 1mm to trade for the 1 stop brighter aperture, IF the 1mm difference is not significant. But judging from the photos you have presented, it seems to be quite big of a different even for 1mm different...
Sorry I'm a horrible photographer but, I love the characteristics of the viltrox over the samyang. Also if you are using a camera with IBIS you can have the shutter speed set lower to get sharper pictures on the viltrox over the samyang. I wanted to show the full size of the photos . Sorry I didn't do them side by side. Thanks for watching.
Thanks for watching . The Samyang f2 might be your best bet. I no longer have it but, the weight of it makes it perfect . If they fixed the ibis issues that is .
Thanks for watching. I just wanted a little flare in between the photos. Didn't want it to feel too flat. I appreciate the advice though. Next one I won't use them . I get it they can look a bit amateurish
Although the Viltrox does give sharper, better images, the Samyang is surprisingly good for its price. I once had the wonderful Fuji 16mmf1.4, which had amazing sharpness and image quality, but found I wasn't using it that much because of its size and weight. I think I might have the same problem with the Viltrox, so, I've ordered the Samyang despite its lack of aperture ring and its softness at the edges. Thanks for the review, that was really helpful.
Great comparison, thank you! I also have the Viltrox and like practically everything about it other than the weight and size it occupies in my sling bag.. so I have to eliminate another lens when traveling/hiking with that kit. That factor alone almost justifies owning the Samyang, too.. dang it.
Thank you for watching . The size and Weight is a major benefit on the samyang. They need to work on tweaking a few things and then it will be a great wall around/nature lens.
Very cool video ! I like how you going deep down to the subject right of the bat ! Do you think this is a good lens for filming yourself for youtube video ? I hesitate between this lens and leica 15 mm F1.7
Thank you very much . I think the viltrox lens is awesome. Especially for filming yourself. It is now my main talking head youtube lens. If you are going to walk around with it , I would suggest a gimbal. Just to give it the smoothest handling. Thanks a lot for watching. For the price width and speed the Viltrox is amazing.
If it’s in your power, please reach out to Fujifilm or samyang about the ibis issues with the xs10 and samyang 12mm. Maybe we can get them to give us some kind of firmware update to fix the problem. I bought this lens for vlogging, but it’s useless because the ibis freezes up with this lens. In fact, if you turn the lens, to the point where the contacts are not touching. You can use this lens with the ibis. But at the lost of focusing. Which means, this lens, for whatever reason, locks up the ibis. At the very least, if you can, talk more about this problem, and try to get other RUclipsrs notified about the situation. If everyone talks about it, then maybe we will get the update we want.
Looks like the viltrox is same size as fuji 10-24 and that lens has OIS, you shoot landscape at 5.6 - f11 anyways, so unless you use it for close ups in low light where you want "bokeh" I would go for the manual samyang 12 f2, its compact and sharp. Its a hard decision for sure!
Great video. Quick question. I am thinking about buying a Fuji X-S10 (My first ever Fuji) and I am just confused about which lens to buy. My budget really only allows me to buy one lens - I take pictures/make videos at family events and do travel vlogging (for myself) and when it comes to pictures and the videos I make, I am a sucker for great background blur and good AF and do need a wider field of view as my travel vlogs are a lot of me talking to the camera. My options at the moment are: - Fuji 16mm 1.4 - Fuji 14mm 2.8 - Fuji 16mm 2.8 - Viltrox 13mm 1.4 - Samyang 12mm 2 In your opinion, if I had to pick ONE for the stuff I do, which would you say would suit me best. Thank you in advance!
If you can afford it I would go native glass. The 16 f1.4 is a go to lens for a lot of creators. It's wide but, not too wide so distortion should be at a low . I for my first lens though I would get a zoom lens. That's just me. Maybe the sigma 18-50 f2.8 constant would be my lens of choice or the Tamron 17-70 f2.8 . This lens is my go to lens . It lives on my cameras . The weight can be a bit fatiguing though. The sigma zoom or the xf 16mm f1.4 will probably be a nice start. For travel though I would go with a zoom. You can get some nice separation with utilizing close focusing distance .
hey ricky this was the exact video i was looking for! im stuck between the two lenses, and the sony 11m f1.8. I think The samyang is now like 270$? sometimes go on sale for 200$, while all the other competitors are still $400+. My question is, hows the depth of field for the samyang, is it alot less creamy than the viltrox and sony? is the 1.4-1.8 that much different than the f2?
@@TwoTimesRmedia do you think the price to performance is worth it? The Samyang is now $270 and sometimes go on sale for $200 compared to the $470ish for the viltrox?
@@ChillStudyDate no I can't say that I do . I mean the Viltrox is a very well built lens . I just can't say if that is worth almost double the price of the samyang .
I think there needs to be some kind of communication between them and third party lens manufacturers. I feel there is some information being held back by Fujifilm. Having more third party lenses will sell more bodies.
How does the af do speed wise. I remember that you had focus issues with speed on the fuji lenses. I was thinking about the new Sigma 16mm for Vlogging. I am deciding between the Xt4 and the Xs10. I am leaning towards the Xt4 since pricing on it is around 1100.00 body only. How does the Sigma 16mm stack up against the new Viltrox 13mm.
The viltrox to me with the standard settings does amazing. In my opinion. It can hunt but , I find it looses me less. It's pretty sticky. The samyang was going crazy a few times . I thought it was broken. I'm curious myself how the sigma 16mm will do on my cameras. I feel like viltrox has had so much more time dealing with the X- mount AF that other Companies may have a hard time living up to it's progress. I plan on slowing Down my af speed And sensitivity to make it more sticky but, right out the box I'm pretty pleased. It's not perfect but, it's pretty good so far. Also I will play around with the AF range limiter to help with any hunting in the background. The X-T4 is awesome so many more options and customizable buttons for video especially.
I think the problem with the viltrox is for me: too big an heavy for vlogging. I preordered the X-S20 for vlogging and the setup needs to be light and fast
I am professional wedding photographer and shoot with Fuji XT4 for nearly two years now. I have two copies of this Samyang 12mm F2, this lens is by far the worst purchase I ever made. Slow auto focus, compatibility with Fuji camera body, the worst glare I have never seen before (almost all Fujifilm prime lens have worse lens glare comparing with full frame prime lens such as sigma & canon), this aperture ring less design is so dumb and I have to change the camera operating method to accommodate this lens. Anyway, I am selling this Samyang lens again next week. PS. Fujifilm camera is definitely not suitable for professional photographers such as wedding & family portrait, it has too many flaws comparing with canon or sony. BTW -- the reason I left comment because I purchased VILTROX 13MM F1.4 and I am sure it will be better than Samyang
Let me know when you receive your copy of the lens if you find it better. Thank you for the comment and watching . I know there are a lot of people who shoot fuji professionally that love them. Yeah they do have quite a bit to work on as far as for pro work. My biggest thing is the AF reliability.
I've been shooting with an X-T3 for the past six months, weddings, portraits, photojournalistic work, and I can tell you, if you can't work with the T4, the problem is not with the camera. I couldn't throw anything at the T3 that it couldn't handle, and I am 99.999% sure that the T4 is better.
It works great and offers fast lenses and different focal lengths that 1st parties do not. The weight is because of the metal construction and fast apertures. The 13mm doesn't weigh that much more than the XF 16 f1.4 for a much wider focal length.
This is a comparison I've been waiting for. Surprisingly, not many people has done it. Thanks for the efforts. However, what I was looking for in this video is the comparison of the photos capture between the 2 lenses. I was hoping you will present it side by side in one frame instead of presenting one after another.
I've already own the Samyang 12mm manual version, which I am using primarily for capturing milkway shot. For me, the wider focal length is much more important than the one stop brighter. Having said that, I won't mind losing 1mm to trade for the 1 stop brighter aperture, IF the 1mm difference is not significant. But judging from the photos you have presented, it seems to be quite big of a different even for 1mm different...
Sorry I'm a horrible photographer but, I love the characteristics of the viltrox over the samyang. Also if you are using a camera with IBIS you can have the shutter speed set lower to get sharper pictures on the viltrox over the samyang. I wanted to show the full size of the photos . Sorry I didn't do them side by side. Thanks for watching.
Perfect. Was exactly searching for that comparison. Mainly for vlogging and some photos
Thanks for watching . The Samyang f2 might be your best bet. I no longer have it but, the weight of it makes it perfect . If they fixed the ibis issues that is .
Finally! A comparison between this two, thank you.
PS: unwarranted advice for future videos; you don’t need the transitions between photos.
Thanks for watching. I just wanted a little flare in between the photos. Didn't want it to feel too flat. I appreciate the advice though. Next one I won't use them . I get it they can look a bit amateurish
I think for the time being. The manual version of the 12 mm would be a better buy then the AF version.
Great video and all that info
Thank you
Although the Viltrox does give sharper, better images, the Samyang is surprisingly good for its price. I once had the wonderful Fuji 16mmf1.4, which had amazing sharpness and image quality, but found I wasn't using it that much because of its size and weight. I think I might have the same problem with the Viltrox, so, I've ordered the Samyang despite its lack of aperture ring and its softness at the edges. Thanks for the review, that was really helpful.
Thanks for watching. I hope they fixed the focusing issues and the way it interacts with the Fuji bodies IBIS .
@@TwoTimesRmedia I think I'll be OK because I don't shoot video and the XT2 I own doesn't have IBIS. Thanks for advice.
@@aucourant9998 understood. In that case , the size and weight will be perfect.
Great video sir!
Thanks a lot
Great comparison, thank you! I also have the Viltrox and like practically everything about it other than the weight and size it occupies in my sling bag.. so I have to eliminate another lens when traveling/hiking with that kit. That factor alone almost justifies owning the Samyang, too.. dang it.
Thank you for watching . The size and Weight is a major benefit on the samyang. They need to work on tweaking a few things and then it will be a great wall around/nature lens.
Great video bro
Thanks for watching. I appreciate you.
Nice video compression 👍🏽
Thank you very much. I appreciate you watching.
Nice video, thanks.
Thank you for watching
Nice comparison...
Thank you very much
Great video bro!!!
Thank you very much. I appreciate it very much.
Very cool video ! I like how you going deep down to the subject right of the bat !
Do you think this is a good lens for filming yourself for youtube video ? I hesitate between this lens and leica 15 mm F1.7
Thank you very much . I think the viltrox lens is awesome. Especially for filming yourself. It is now my main talking head youtube lens. If you are going to walk around with it , I would suggest a gimbal. Just to give it the smoothest handling. Thanks a lot for watching. For the price width and speed the Viltrox is amazing.
thanks for this in review
Thank you for watching.
Thanks! You are a photographer!
Am I ? Lol I'm trying hard to get better . Thanks . I appreciate it . I appreciate you watching and commenting.
If it’s in your power, please reach out to Fujifilm or samyang about the ibis issues with the xs10 and samyang 12mm. Maybe we can get them to give us some kind of firmware update to fix the problem. I bought this lens for vlogging, but it’s useless because the ibis freezes up with this lens. In fact, if you turn the lens, to the point where the contacts are not touching. You can use this lens with the ibis. But at the lost of focusing. Which means, this lens, for whatever reason, locks up the ibis. At the very least, if you can, talk more about this problem, and try to get other RUclipsrs notified about the situation. If everyone talks about it, then maybe we will get the update we want.
I will definitely try my best . I made a second video about the problem with the samyang lens. Directly after this one.
It is very sad as the X-S10 equivalent with the samyang and a good mic would make a killer vlog set up.
Looks like the viltrox is same size as fuji 10-24 and that lens has OIS, you shoot landscape at 5.6 - f11 anyways, so unless you use it for close ups in low light where you want "bokeh" I would go for the manual samyang 12 f2, its compact and sharp.
Its a hard decision for sure!
The colors with the 12mm was much better
Thanks for watching and commenting. If not for all the issues I was having with focus and ibis I might have kept it
Great video. Quick question. I am thinking about buying a Fuji X-S10 (My first ever Fuji) and I am just confused about which lens to buy. My budget really only allows me to buy one lens - I take pictures/make videos at family events and do travel vlogging (for myself) and when it comes to pictures and the videos I make, I am a sucker for great background blur and good AF and do need a wider field of view as my travel vlogs are a lot of me talking to the camera. My options at the moment are:
- Fuji 16mm 1.4
- Fuji 14mm 2.8
- Fuji 16mm 2.8
- Viltrox 13mm 1.4
- Samyang 12mm 2
In your opinion, if I had to pick ONE for the stuff I do, which would you say would suit me best. Thank you in advance!
If you can afford it I would go native glass. The 16 f1.4 is a go to lens for a lot of creators. It's wide but, not too wide so distortion should be at a low . I for my first lens though I would get a zoom lens. That's just me. Maybe the sigma 18-50 f2.8 constant would be my lens of choice or the Tamron 17-70 f2.8 . This lens is my go to lens . It lives on my cameras . The weight can be a bit fatiguing though. The sigma zoom or the xf 16mm f1.4 will probably be a nice start. For travel though I would go with a zoom. You can get some nice separation with utilizing close focusing distance .
Thanks so much for watching and commenting. I've had my X-S10 for 2 years now I love this camera .
@@TwoTimesRmedia Awesome, thank you so much for the reply, really appreciate that. That's helped a lot! Have subbed my man, keep it going.
@@T33KAY1 no problem at all. I appreciate that.
Thanks for the comparison dude!
a perfect movie, I just bought a 12-millimeter in Samyang at the second hand for it 174$ :) thank you 🥂🍾
Thank you very much for watching. That is a great deal for this lens
@@TwoTimesRmedia i know, that's why I bought it with the money
How are you liking it ?
@@TwoTimesRmedia it's a "sweet" 😀 better visually fit the XS10 but better photos are from pro2. 😀
@@fotoveer that's awesome. Do you post anywhere?
hey ricky this was the exact video i was looking for! im stuck between the two lenses, and the sony 11m f1.8. I think The samyang is now like 270$? sometimes go on sale for 200$, while all the other competitors are still $400+. My question is, hows the depth of field for the samyang, is it alot less creamy than the viltrox and sony? is the 1.4-1.8 that much different than the f2?
Yes there is a big difference in the bokeh from f2 to f1.4 . Seeing how the Viltrox is 13mm at f1.4 you get a tiny bit more compression also.
@@TwoTimesRmedia do you think the price to performance is worth it? The Samyang is now $270 and sometimes go on sale for $200 compared to the $470ish for the viltrox?
@@ChillStudyDate no I can't say that I do . I mean the Viltrox is a very well built lens . I just can't say if that is worth almost double the price of the samyang .
Do 12mm F2 AF Disable the IBIS ?
That's exactly what it seems like . It seems like even with the IBIS on the IBIS is ineffective.
@@TwoTimesRmedia Fujifilm should fix the problem
I think there needs to be some kind of communication between them and third party lens manufacturers. I feel there is some information being held back by Fujifilm. Having more third party lenses will sell more bodies.
@@TwoTimesRmedia Dowoad firmware 3.0 for the Samyang 12mm
@@Jimmyageek how will I get it on the lens? There is no USB C port
How does the af do speed wise. I remember that you had focus issues with speed on the fuji lenses.
I was thinking about the new Sigma 16mm for Vlogging. I am deciding between the Xt4 and the Xs10.
I am leaning towards the Xt4 since pricing on it is around 1100.00 body only. How does the Sigma 16mm stack up against the new Viltrox 13mm.
The viltrox to me with the standard settings does amazing. In my opinion. It can hunt but , I find it looses me less. It's pretty sticky. The samyang was going crazy a few times . I thought it was broken. I'm curious myself how the sigma 16mm will do on my cameras. I feel like viltrox has had so much more time dealing with the X- mount AF that other Companies may have a hard time living up to it's progress. I plan on slowing Down my af speed And sensitivity to make it more sticky but, right out the box I'm pretty pleased. It's not perfect but, it's pretty good so far. Also I will play around with the AF range limiter to help with any hunting in the background. The X-T4 is awesome so many more options and customizable buttons for video especially.
I think the problem with the viltrox is for me: too big an heavy for vlogging. I preordered the X-S20 for vlogging and the setup needs to be light and fast
For sure the Viltrox is definitely heavy and big especially on the smaller cameras. Very front heavy but, I love the speed and perspective it gives.
@@TwoTimesRmedia i think I need the viltrox and a 18-55/18-50 as a second use lens. (For private and vlogging). For business use I am on the x-h2s
@@AlexanderBischof do you have the sigma 18-50? That seems like a nice walk around light weight lens .
I am professional wedding photographer and shoot with Fuji XT4 for nearly two years now. I have two copies of this Samyang 12mm F2, this lens is by far the worst purchase I ever made. Slow auto focus, compatibility with Fuji camera body, the worst glare I have never seen before (almost all Fujifilm prime lens have worse lens glare comparing with full frame prime lens such as sigma & canon), this aperture ring less design is so dumb and I have to change the camera operating method to accommodate this lens. Anyway, I am selling this Samyang lens again next week. PS. Fujifilm camera is definitely not suitable for professional photographers such as wedding & family portrait, it has too many flaws comparing with canon or sony.
BTW -- the reason I left comment because I purchased VILTROX 13MM F1.4 and I am sure it will be better than Samyang
Let me know when you receive your copy of the lens if you find it better. Thank you for the comment and watching . I know there are a lot of people who shoot fuji professionally that love them. Yeah they do have quite a bit to work on as far as for pro work. My biggest thing is the AF reliability.
I've been shooting with an X-T3 for the past six months, weddings, portraits, photojournalistic work, and I can tell you, if you can't work with the T4, the problem is not with the camera. I couldn't throw anything at the T3 that it couldn't handle, and I am 99.999% sure that the T4 is better.
@@andyvalentine9791 I agree with you. A lot of people shoot with fuji cameras professionally.
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Never pay attention to Viltrox at all! Its lenses are all bulky!!!!
It works great and offers fast lenses and different focal lengths that 1st parties do not. The weight is because of the metal construction and fast apertures. The 13mm doesn't weigh that much more than the XF 16 f1.4 for a much wider focal length.
I think this is a good comment. I hope so, if so thank you .
@@TwoTimesRmedia yes, it is a positive comment. it is a golden medal :)
@@etibkel thanks a lot