*1 Timothy 3:16 KJV* “And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: *God was manifest in the flesh,* justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”
1Timothy 3:16 is a known forgery. The original manuscript said "he was manifest in the flesh", which isn't proof of Jesus being God. But with a single pen stroke, it was changed to "God was manifest in the flesh". Look it up. That's why newer Bibles no longer say "God was manifest in the flesh" but instead "he was manifest in the flesh" or "which was manifest in the flesh".
@@theologyroom Modern bibles use corrupted manuscripts. KJV uses majority text. *1 Timothy 3:16* *GENEVA BIBLE* “And without controuersie, great is the mysterie of godlinesse, which is, *God is manifested in the flesh,* iustified in the Spirit, seene of Angels, preached vnto the Gentiles, beleeued on in the world, and receiued vp in glorie.” This Bible existed before the KJV!
I think you will find that in virtually all modern Bibles produced by Trinitarian publishing companies will say 'He' or 'He who' or 'who' as a result of textual criticism. The context of the verse clearly shows it is about Jesus and not God. When your own side no longer use this argument, it should raise a red flag.
*John 8:23-27 KJV* “And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: *for if ye believe not that I AM HE, ye shall die in your sins.* Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, *Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.* I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him. They understood not that *HE SPAKE TO THEM OF THE FATHER.”*
Jesus calls himself a "man" -- *"you are looking for a way to kill me, a MAN who has told you the truth that I heard from God" (John 8v48).* What am I supposed to do? Ignore him?
@@theologyroom Of course he was a man, a human being. Jesus Christ came in the flesh. Scripture makes this extremely clear. But he was not *just* a man; he was also divine. This is a fundamental teaching of the New Testament. I fell for the unitarian arguments, too, about fifteen years ago. But after much study and prayer, I realized my error. The Trinity doctrine is the only thing that makes sense of ALL Scripture -- both Old and New Testaments. I say this as someone who once was a vehement anti-Trinitarian.
Jesus Christ came in the flesh. True. But that doesn't mean it was God who came in the flesh. If you accept that, then you would also have to accept that Mary is the MOTHER of God. And you'll also have to accept that "God" is a descendant of David, after all "son of David" is one of Jesus' titles in the NT. These are some of the absurdities that trinitarianism leads to. Perhaps you should reconsider your beliefs.
@@theologyroom You're not thinking about this correctly. The Word, which was with God, and was God, was made flesh (John 1:1-14). That Jesus was, in a very real and literal way, God in the flesh, is such a basic, fundamental premise of Christianity that it's not even really debatable. Those who don't accept this are not really Christians. What you are teaching is the same thing that Islam teaches. That Jesus was just a prophet of God. They even accept the virgin birth. But they absolutely deny that Jesus was in any way divine. So, you are teaching Islam. Do you realize that? We are saved by God, and God alone. Both the Old and New Testaments make this clear. To worship a mere man, or to rely on a mere man for your salvation, would be blasphemy and idolatry. And yet, the books of Hebrews and Revelation both command us to worship Jesus. God didn't send a human being to do his dirty work for him. He came and did it himself. The only way you can have salvation is if you bow down to Jesus and call him "My Lord and my God" as Thomas did (John 20:28). I can appreciate your struggles with this. I, too, had a really hard time with it many years ago. I'd be happy to correspond with you via email and we can have a friendly dialogue and think through things together. It's not really practical to carry on an extended conversation in the comments section. Let me know if you'd like to do this and I can temporarily post my email address.
I want to keep my mail ID private. And I also want my statements to be publicly available as it would be beneficial for other viewers. But if you don't want to use the comment section to talk, I've started a thread for you in the "community" section of my channel. ruclips.net/user/postUgkxhvOoNNENiGjwNgJDp9pK8hUgJu9afnwv FYI, I used to be a Christian for around 15 years of my adult life before becoming a Muslim. I choose not to mention that history in any of my videos. Either way, I've done the homework. And my positions of Christian beliefs are not based on Islam or the Quran. Rather, they're based on the Bible itself as the Bible is enough to disprove Jesus' divinity and the trinity. I figured out that Jesus is not God long before I became Muslim. And no, teaching that Jesus is not God does NOT amount to teaching Islam because the idea that Jesus is not God is also held by other groups who use the Bible as scripture, like the Jehovah's Witnesses and Unitarian Christians. I get that the divinity of Christ is a fundamental premise in Christianity, but I'm more interested in what the Bible actually says on the matter. And if we were to go by purely what the Bible says, without bringing in external concepts and philosophies, it points us to the fact that it's the FATHER who is the only true God who is to be worshipped, prayed to and obeyed. That's literally what Jesus said. Jesus' plain teaching that the Father is the ONLY true God completely nullifies the idea that the SON can also be God. No verse or combination of verses can make the case that Jesus is also God. So the idea of Jesus' divinity is not Biblical. It's an extra-Biblical teaching that some people try and "prove" with with their own cleverness.
1 John 5:7 KJV “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” The red letters agree with the black ones.
Later Bibles translate 1John 5v7 very differently. Because that verse is absent from early Greek manuscripts. It was added in at a later time, i.e., it is a forgery.
@vinniebasile9404 No, they don't. The black and red letters very obviously don't line up. In revelation 1 it is very clearly pointed out that it is an angel speaking on behalf of the testimony of God and his son Jesus. Yet they put things in red as if it is Jesus personally speaking when it clearly isn't. 🙄
@@2JaysJayJohnson *Revelation 1:8 KJV* “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, *SAITH THE LORD,* which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.” It is still THE LORD speaking!
@@theologyroomModern bibles use corrupted manuscripts. KJV uses the majority text. Guess what! The Geneva Bible has this passage too! 1 John 5:7 *GENEVA BIBLE* “For there are three, which beare recorde in heauen, the Father, the Worde, and the holy Ghost: and these three are one.”
@@vinniebasile9404 No, it's very clear that it is an angel speaking on behalf of God and on behalf of Lord Jesus (God's son). John is very clear about that in Revelation 1's Prologue 1 The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending "HIS ANGEL" to his servant John, 2 who testifies to everything he saw-that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. 3 Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near. These words were very clearly given by his angel to John. So, it is deceptive to make it ambiguous by putting it in red as if it is Jesus directly speaking.
There are literally dozens of scriptures that differentiate Jesus from God in the NT. This is not surprising since the claim of the Evangelists was not that Jesus was God Almighty(He is never called this or Lord God in the gospels or Epistles) but that he was the Christ, the Son of God. This claim makes him one other than the God of israel. Given that the doctrine of the Trinity is post-apostolic and took until the end of the fourth century before taking its current and final shape, it is no surprise that it is not found anywhere in the Bible. Anyone who reads the NT quickly sees that Jesus had a God to whom he prayed and gave worship. The Jesus of the NT died. Christianity is based on the resurrection claims. But of course, an immortal God cannot die. It is very sad that so many would rather adhere to a doctrine espoused by later theologians schooled in middle platonism than believe the teachings of Jesus and his Apostles.
@@theologyroom : What would a lowly carpenter and a bunch of fishermen know? We should leave important matters of faith to those beloved Church Fathers and theologians, schooled in Greek philosophy. They were educated men.
*John 10:30-38 KJV* *“I and my Father are one.* Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that *thou, being a man, makest thyself God.* Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because *I said, I am the Son of God?* If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that *the Father is in me, and I in him.”*
If Jesus and the Father are "one", then it follows that the Father was also crucified, and that the Father also took on the sins of man. Which is not what the Bible says. So John 10v30 isn't telling us that Jesus is one and the same as the Father, i.e., Jesus is not God.
This passage actually debunks the Trinity even harder, let me explain why. The Jews are saying that Jesus is claiming to be God, yet Jesus seems to be REFUTING them by quoting Psalm 82, then subsequently claiming that he isn't being blasphemous because he is merely claiming to be God's Son. If Jesus was God, why would he be refuting their claim?
Fun fact. In John's account, the Pharisees accused Jesus of claiming to be God. But in chapter 18, where Jesus is arrested and is interrogated by the Jewish leaders, the premise that Jesus was "guilty" of claiming to be God is never brought up. It's as if their memories were wiped clean and they all forgot that Jesus committed such a heinous sin. Instead the Jewish high priest just asks Jesus about his followers and what he had been teaching them. But the other 3 gospels have a different account. Mark 14, Matthew 26 and Luke 22 which cover the trial of Jesus, tell us that Jesus was accused of blasphemy because he claimed to be the Messiah -- NOT God.
The bible is clear that Jesus is God # Elohim is plural The word 'God' is a plural word. The original Hebrew word used for God is Elohim. What is interesting is Elohim is a plural word. For example Cherub and Seraph are two singular words for 2 kinds of angels. To describe more of them you would use Cherubim and Seraphim. So though God is a singular character, there is a plurality to Him. We see this more in Genesis 1:26-27 "Let US make man in Our image, according to Our likeness......So God created man in His own image". So in the bible God is immediately introduced as a character with some kind of plural aspect to Himself which is why he said us and our. # The holy spirit is God Peter asked Ananias why he is lying to the Holy Spirit. Then explains that has not lied not just to man but to God. Therefore, we know the Holy Spirit is God. Acts 5:3-4 “Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? 4 Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.” # Jesus precedes creation The bible tells us that Jesus is the word and the word is God which tells us Jesus was there from the beginning John 1:1, 14 - “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. ... And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth; we have beheld his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father.” Colossians 1:16 tells us that everything was made THROUGH and FOR Jesus “ For in Him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through Him and for Him” # Jesus is called God and saviour God says that there is No Savior besides Him in Isaiah 43:11 "I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior." And yet what do the disciples refer to Jesus as multiple times throughout scripture? My Lord and my Savior. Jesus never once stops His disciples when they call Him savior. Peter called Jesus God and saviour: 2 Peter 1:1 - ... our God and Savior Jesus Christ Thomas called Jesus God: John 20:28 - Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” Paul called Jesus God and saviour: Titus 2:13 “while we wait for the blessed hope-the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ” The Father calls Jesus God: Hebrews 1:8 - “But of the Son he says, ‘Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever, the righteous scepter is the scepter of thy kingdom.” # Jesus says He is God Jesus claims equality with the Father John 10:30 - "I and the Father are one." In John 8:58 Jesus says "before Abraham was born, I am!". They wanted to stone Jesus for this, why? Because He was making Himself to be EQUAL to God God says in Isaiah 44:6 “...I am the first and I am the last, and apart from me there is no God”. Then Jesus says in Revelations 22:13 “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End”. # Jesus accepted worship and worship only belongs to God In Exodus 34:14 God tells us that you should worship only Him. “Do not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.” Jesus repeats this commandment in Matthew 4:10 - Then Jesus said to him, “Away with you, Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.’ ” In Revelations22:8-9 the angles refused worship and say they are fellow servants just like you and that you should worship God. “Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things. 9 Then he said to me, ‘See that you do not do that. [b]For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God.’” In Acts 10:25-26 Peter also refused worship and said don't do that, Im also a man. ‘As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.”’ Yet in Hebrews 1:6 God tells His angels to worship Jesus. ‘But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: “Let all the angels of God worship Him.”’ In fact not once does Jesus rebuke His disciples or people from falling down at His feet and worshipping Him as the angels and Peter did: All verse of Jesus being worshiped: John 9:35-38 - ‘35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when He had found him, He said to him, “Do you believe in the Son of God?” 36 He answered and said, “Who is He, Lord, that I may believe in Him?” 37 And Jesus said to him, “You have both seen Him and it is He who is talking with you.” 38 Then he said, “Lord, I believe!” And he worshiped Him.’ Matt 2:11 - ‘And when they had come into the house, they saw the young Child with Mary His mother, and fell down and worshiped Him. And when they had opened their treasures, they presented gifts to Him: gold, frankincense, and myrrh.’ Matt 8:2 - ‘And behold, a leper came and worshiped Him, saying, “Lord, if You are willing, You can make me clean.”’ Matt 9:18 - ‘While He spoke these things to them, behold, a ruler came and worshiped Him, saying, “My daughter has just died, but come and lay Your hand on her and she will live.”’ Matt 14:33 - ‘Then those who were in the boat came and worshiped Him, saying, “Truly You are the Son of God.”’ Matt 15:25 - ‘Then she came and worshiped Him, saying, “Lord, help me!”’ Matt 28:9,17 - ‘9 And as they went to tell His disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, “Rejoice!” So they came and held Him by the feet and worshiped Him. 17 When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted.’ Mark 5:6 - “When he saw Jesus from afar, he ran and worshiped Him.” Luke 24:52 - “And they worshiped Him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy” Jesus Himself tells us to worship Him in John 5:23 - "that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him." # Baptism In Matt 28:19 New believers should be baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit - “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit”
Elohim is not plural. The Bible defines God as one person -- an absolute ONE -- and not three-in-one or a plurality. Had that been the case, then the jews would have been the first trinitarians, a thousand years before Christ. Moreover, the New Testament has Jesus himself saying that the FATHER is the only true God, and that it is the FATHER who is to be worshipped, prayed to and obeyed. One would have to ignore Jesus' words to believe God is a trinity.
@@theologyroom Elohim is absolutely plural. It is understood in the singular sense, but the word is grammatically plural. And further more, you seem to ignore everything else that I have stated that proves you wrong. God even says US and Our.
@@blackwatch4709 If "Elohim" referred to multiple persons being God then the Jews, who speak and understand Hebrew, would have figured it out a long time ago. The fact that they haven't done so indicates YOUR understanding of the subject is flawed and so your argument falls flat. As for the rest of your post, you've simply copy pasted the same old trinitarian talking points that have been debunked before by many. If there is anything specific that you want me to address, let me know.
Those that believe in the trinity do not read the whole Bible They focus on the verses their pastors give them and promote If it’s a popular belief, it’s not true
@@blackwatch4709 : Seriously? Can you show me a single verse that says God exists as one essence/substance but three 'persons'? Can you show me a scripture that says God is three persons? Can you show me a scripture where Jesus or his disciples introduce or defend the Trinity doctrine, a doctrine unknown to Jews.
@@VoiceofTruth-iv8pq # Elohim is plural The word 'God' is a plural word. The original Hebrew word used for God is Elohim. What is interesting is Elohim is a plural word. For example Cherub and Seraph are two singular words for 2 kinds of angels. To describe more of them you would use Cherubim and Seraphim. So though God is a singular character, there is a plurality to Him. We see this more in Genesis 1:26-27 "Let US make man in Our image, according to Our likeness......So God created man in His own image". So in the bible God is immediately introduced as a character with some kind of plural aspect to Himself which is why he said us and our. # The holy spirit is God Peter asked Ananias why he is lying to the Holy Spirit. Then explains that has not lied not just to man but to God. Therefore, we know the Holy Spirit is God. Acts 5:3-4 “Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? 4 Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.” # Jesus precedes creation The bible tells us that Jesus is the word and the word is God which tells us Jesus was there from the beginning John 1:1, 14 - “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. ... And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth; we have beheld his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father.” Colossians 1:16 tells us that everything was made THROUGH and FOR Jesus “ For in Him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through Him and for Him” # Jesus is called God and saviour God says that there is No Savior besides Him in Isaiah 43:11 "I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior." And yet what do the disciples refer to Jesus as multiple times throughout scripture? My Lord and my Savior. Jesus never once stops His disciples when they call Him savior. Peter called Jesus God and saviour: 2 Peter 1:1 - ... our God and Savior Jesus Christ Thomas called Jesus God: John 20:28 - Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” Paul called Jesus God and saviour: Titus 2:13 “while we wait for the blessed hope-the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ” The Father calls Jesus God: Hebrews 1:8 - “But of the Son he says, ‘Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever, the righteous scepter is the scepter of thy kingdom.” # Jesus says He is God Jesus claims equality with the Father John 10:30 - "I and the Father are one." In John 8:58 Jesus says "before Abraham was born, I am!". They wanted to stone Jesus for this, why? Because He was making Himself to be EQUAL to God God says in Isaiah 44:6 “...I am the first and I am the last, and apart from me there is no God”. Then Jesus says in Revelations 22:13 “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End”. # Jesus accepted worship and worship only belongs to God In Exodus 34:14 God tells us that you should worship only Him. “Do not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.” Jesus repeats this commandment in Matthew 4:10 - Then Jesus said to him, “Away with you, Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.’ ” In Revelations22:8-9 the angles refused worship and say they are fellow servants just like you and that you should worship God. “Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things. 9 Then he said to me, ‘See that you do not do that. [b]For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God.’” In Acts 10:25-26 Peter also refused worship and said don't do that, Im also a man. ‘As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.”’ Yet in Hebrews 1:6 God tells His angels to worship Jesus. ‘But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: “Let all the angels of God worship Him.”’ Now why on earth would the Father (God), who said worship Him only, have His angels worship Jesus? It makes no sense, unless of course Jesus is God. In fact not once does Jesus rebuke His disciples or people from falling down at His feet and worshipping Him as the angels and Peter did. All verse of Jesus being worshiped: John 9:35-38 - ‘35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when He had found him, He said to him, “Do you believe in the Son of God?” 36 He answered and said, “Who is He, Lord, that I may believe in Him?” 37 And Jesus said to him, “You have both seen Him and it is He who is talking with you.” 38 Then he said, “Lord, I believe!” And he worshiped Him.’ Matt 2:11 - ‘And when they had come into the house, they saw the young Child with Mary His mother, and fell down and worshiped Him. And when they had opened their treasures, they presented gifts to Him: gold, frankincense, and myrrh.’ Matt 8:2 - ‘And behold, a leper came and worshiped Him, saying, “Lord, if You are willing, You can make me clean.”’ Matt 9:18 - ‘While He spoke these things to them, behold, a ruler came and worshiped Him, saying, “My daughter has just died, but come and lay Your hand on her and she will live.”’ Matt 14:33 - ‘Then those who were in the boat came and worshiped Him, saying, “Truly You are the Son of God.”’ Matt 15:25 - ‘Then she came and worshiped Him, saying, “Lord, help me!”’ Matt 28:9,17 - ‘9 And as they went to tell His disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, “Rejoice!” So they came and held Him by the feet and worshiped Him. 17 When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted.’ Mark 5:6 - “When he saw Jesus from afar, he ran and worshiped Him.” Luke 24:52 - “And they worshiped Him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy” Jesus Himself tells us to worship Him in John 5:23 - "that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him." # Baptism In Matt 28:19 New believers should be baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit - “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” Baptize in the name of, not names of. The bible is unequivocally clear that God is a triune God. You either speak out of ignorance or just plain refuse to accept the truth. That is your problem, not mine.
@@VoiceofTruth-iv8pq # Elohim is plural The word 'God' is a plural word. The original Hebrew word used for God is Elohim. What is interesting is Elohim is a plural word. For example Cherub and Seraph are two singular words for 2 kinds of angels. To describe more of them you would use Cherubim and Seraphim. So though God is a singular character, there is a plurality to Him. We see this more in Genesis 1:26-27 "Let US make man in Our image, according to Our likeness......So God created man in His own image". So in the bible God is immediately introduced as a character with some kind of plural aspect to Himself which is why he said us and our. # The holy spirit is God Peter asked Ananias why he is lying to the Holy Spirit. Then explains that has not lied not just to man but to God. Therefore, we know the Holy Spirit is God. Acts 5:3-4 “Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? 4 Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.” # Jesus precedes creation The bible tells us that Jesus is the word and the word is God which tells us Jesus was there from the beginning John 1:1, 14 - “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. ... And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth; we have beheld his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father.” Colossians 1:16 tells us that everything was made THROUGH and FOR Jesus “ For in Him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through Him and for Him” # Jesus is called God and saviour God says that there is No Savior besides Him in Isaiah 43:11 "I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior." And yet what do the disciples refer to Jesus as multiple times throughout scripture? My Lord and my Savior. Jesus never once stops His disciples when they call Him savior. Peter called Jesus God and saviour: 2 Peter 1:1 - ... our God and Savior Jesus Christ Thomas called Jesus God: John 20:28 - Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” Paul called Jesus God and saviour: Titus 2:13 “while we wait for the blessed hope-the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ” The Father calls Jesus God: Hebrews 1:8 - “But of the Son he says, ‘Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever, the righteous scepter is the scepter of thy kingdom.” # Jesus says He is God Jesus claims equality with the Father John 10:30 - "I and the Father are one." In John 8:58 Jesus says "before Abraham was born, I am!". They wanted to stone Jesus for this, why? Because He was making Himself to be EQUAL to God God says in Isaiah 44:6 “...I am the first and I am the last, and apart from me there is no God”. Then Jesus says in Revelations 22:13 “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End”. # Jesus accepted worship and worship only belongs to God In Exodus 34:14 God tells us that you should worship only Him. “Do not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.” Jesus repeats this commandment in Matthew 4:10 - Then Jesus said to him, “Away with you, Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.’ ” In Revelations22:8-9 the angles refused worship and say they are fellow servants just like you and that you should worship God. “Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things. 9 Then he said to me, ‘See that you do not do that. [b]For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God.’” In Acts 10:25-26 Peter also refused worship and said don't do that, Im also a man. ‘As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.”’ Yet in Hebrews 1:6 God tells His angels to worship Jesus. ‘But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: “Let all the angels of God worship Him.”’ Now why on earth would the Father (God), who said worship Him only, have His angels worship Jesus? It makes no sense, unless of course Jesus is God. In fact not once does Jesus rebuke His disciples or people from falling down at His feet and worshipping Him as the angels and Peter did. All verse of Jesus being worshiped: John 9:35-38 - ‘35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when He had found him, He said to him, “Do you believe in the Son of God?” 36 He answered and said, “Who is He, Lord, that I may believe in Him?” 37 And Jesus said to him, “You have both seen Him and it is He who is talking with you.” 38 Then he said, “Lord, I believe!” And he worshiped Him.’ Matt 2:11 - ‘And when they had come into the house, they saw the young Child with Mary His mother, and fell down and worshiped Him. And when they had opened their treasures, they presented gifts to Him: gold, frankincense, and myrrh.’ Matt 8:2 - ‘And behold, a leper came and worshiped Him, saying, “Lord, if You are willing, You can make me clean.”’ Matt 9:18 - ‘While He spoke these things to them, behold, a ruler came and worshiped Him, saying, “My daughter has just died, but come and lay Your hand on her and she will live.”’ Matt 14:33 - ‘Then those who were in the boat came and worshiped Him, saying, “Truly You are the Son of God.”’ Matt 15:25 - ‘Then she came and worshiped Him, saying, “Lord, help me!”’ Matt 28:9,17 - ‘9 And as they went to tell His disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, “Rejoice!” So they came and held Him by the feet and worshiped Him. 17 When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted.’ Mark 5:6 - “When he saw Jesus from afar, he ran and worshiped Him.” Luke 24:52 - “And they worshiped Him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy” Jesus Himself tells us to worship Him in John 5:23 - "that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him." # Baptism In Matt 28:19 New believers should be baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit - “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” Baptize in the name of, not names of. The bible is unequivocally clear that God is a triune God.
@@VoiceofTruth-iv8pq # Elohim is plural The word 'God' is a plural word. The original Hebrew word used for God is Elohim. What is interesting is Elohim is a plural word. For example Cherub and Seraph are two singular words for 2 kinds of angels. To describe more of them you would use Cherubim and Seraphim. So though God is a singular character, there is a plurality to Him. We see this more in Genesis 1:26-27 "Let US make man in Our image, according to Our likeness......So God created man in His own image". So in the bible God is immediately introduced as a character with some kind of plural aspect to Himself which is why he said us and our. # The holy spirit is God Peter asked Ananias why he is lying to the Holy Spirit. Then explains that has not lied not just to man but to God. Therefore, we know the Holy Spirit is God. Acts 5:3-4 “Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? 4 Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.” # Jesus precedes creation The bible tells us that Jesus is the word and the word is God which tells us Jesus was there from the beginning John 1:1, 14 - “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. ... And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth; we have beheld his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father.” Colossians 1:16 tells us that everything was made THROUGH and FOR Jesus “ For in Him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through Him and for Him” # Jesus is called God and saviour God says that there is No Savior besides Him in Isaiah 43:11 "I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior." And yet what do the disciples refer to Jesus as multiple times throughout scripture? My Lord and my Savior. Jesus never once stops His disciples when they call Him savior. Peter called Jesus God and saviour: 2 Peter 1:1 - ... our God and Savior Jesus Christ Thomas called Jesus God: John 20:28 - Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” Paul called Jesus God and saviour: Titus 2:13 “while we wait for the blessed hope-the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ” The Father calls Jesus God: Hebrews 1:8 - “But of the Son he says, ‘Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever, the righteous scepter is the scepter of thy kingdom.” # Jesus says He is God Jesus claims equality with the Father John 10:30 - "I and the Father are one." In John 8:58 Jesus says "before Abraham was born, I am!". They wanted to stone Jesus for this, why? Because He was making Himself to be EQUAL to God God says in Isaiah 44:6 “...I am the first and I am the last, and apart from me there is no God”. Then Jesus says in Revelations 22:13 “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End”. # Jesus accepted worship and worship only belongs to God In Exodus 34:14 God tells us that you should worship only Him. “Do not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.” Jesus repeats this commandment in Matthew 4:10 - Then Jesus said to him, “Away with you, Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.’ ” In Revelations22:8-9 the angles refused worship and say they are fellow servants just like you and that you should worship God. “Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things. 9 Then he said to me, ‘See that you do not do that. [b]For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God.’” In Acts 10:25-26 Peter also refused worship and said don't do that, Im also a man. ‘As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.”’ Yet in Hebrews 1:6 God tells His angels to worship Jesus. ‘But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: “Let all the angels of God worship Him.”’ In fact not once does Jesus rebuke His disciples or people from falling down at His feet and worshipping Him as the angels and Peter did: All verse of Jesus being worshiped: John 9:35-38 - ‘35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when He had found him, He said to him, “Do you believe in the Son of God?” 36 He answered and said, “Who is He, Lord, that I may believe in Him?” 37 And Jesus said to him, “You have both seen Him and it is He who is talking with you.” 38 Then he said, “Lord, I believe!” And he worshiped Him.’ Matt 2:11 - ‘And when they had come into the house, they saw the young Child with Mary His mother, and fell down and worshiped Him. And when they had opened their treasures, they presented gifts to Him: gold, frankincense, and myrrh.’ Matt 8:2 - ‘And behold, a leper came and worshiped Him, saying, “Lord, if You are willing, You can make me clean.”’ Matt 9:18 - ‘While He spoke these things to them, behold, a ruler came and worshiped Him, saying, “My daughter has just died, but come and lay Your hand on her and she will live.”’ Matt 14:33 - ‘Then those who were in the boat came and worshiped Him, saying, “Truly You are the Son of God.”’ Matt 15:25 - ‘Then she came and worshiped Him, saying, “Lord, help me!”’ Matt 28:9,17 - ‘9 And as they went to tell His disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, “Rejoice!” So they came and held Him by the feet and worshiped Him. 17 When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted.’ Mark 5:6 - “When he saw Jesus from afar, he ran and worshiped Him.” Luke 24:52 - “And they worshiped Him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy” Jesus Himself tells us to worship Him in John 5:23 - "that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him." # Baptism In Matt 28:19 New believers should be baptized in the name (name, not names) of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit - “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit”
Jesus is the God of the OT - plenty of OT and NT verses that show this. Earth was Jesus creation who was guided by the Father. Kind of like you and your dad building a car and while he doesn't do it for you, he guides you through the whole process. That's why Jesus gives all credit and glory to the father. "God" Is ultimately a family unit. They are of the same mind and will, led by the father. As others have stated Jesus and the Father are one - the Fathers commandments are what Jesus speaks. Bad representation, but very similar to the mobster family mentality of "you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us". The holy spirit is the nurturing component of the family unit which is why the only unforgivable sin is blaspheming the Holy Spirit.
No, my friend. There's nothing in the Bible that says God is a family unit. Trinitarians explain God that way, but according to the Bible, God is always described as a single person, i.e., the FATHER. That's why He says things like " I alone stretched out the heavens" (Isaiah 44v22), not "we stretched out the heavens"; and "I am the LORD, and there is no other" (Isaiah 45v3), not "we are the LORD...". Also, the members of the trinity do not have the same will and mind. That's why Jesus does the FATHER's will, but never the other way round. And that's also why the FATHER knows many things that the "son" doesn't.
why did Jesus call the Father “the one true God” is Jesus saying he isn’t God? Of course not! In John 10:27-28, Jesus calls the people "My sheep," says they are "in My hand," and that He gives them eternal life. Deuteronomy 32:39 and Psalm 95:6-7 say the Father is the only one who gives life and that believers are in His hand. By saying the sheep are in His hand, Jesus implies unity with the Father. In John 10:29-30, Jesus says, "I and the Father are one." The Greek word used here is “esmen” means they share the same will, not that they are the same person. indicating they are united in power to protect, though they are distinct persons. Jesus must be God Almighty, but He is not the Father. They share this divine ability, which led the Jews to accuse Jesus of blasphemy. So John 17 doesn’t exclude the Son and Holy Spirit as true God but distinguishes the Father from false gods. Jesus affirms His unity with the Father, sharing the same divine being, though they are different persons. The term "God" refers to a being, not a person. The being of God includes the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Thus, when Jesus calls the Father "the one true God," He isn’t excluding Himself, as He is also part of that divine being.
1.Jesus called the Father "ONLY true God", which means Jesus "the son", was NOT God. So yes, Jesus was denying that he was God. Since the FATHER is the only true God, then other persons (Jesus, Holy spirit and everyone else) are excluded from the category of "God". 2. In John 10v30, Jesus is "one" with the Father in the same way that Jesus prays for his followers to be "one" with each other (John 17v21), i.e., they're just one in purpose, not literally one. If you believe Jesus and the Father are literally one, then you must admit that the FATHER took on the sins of mankind and died on the cross. Obviously, you won't because that's not what Christianity teaches. 3. Jesus and the FATHER did not share the same will. This is easily proved by the verse where Jesus prays to the Father saying "let your will be done, not mine" (Matthew 26v39) and also the verses where Jesus says he does the will of the FATHER, and not his own will (John 6v38 and John 4v34).
@@theologyroom 1. I quite literally just explained that Jesus claimed equality with the Father by claiming he does *EVERYTHING* the Father does, and is United in ability to protect the sheep. If you actually read my reply you would see I literally said they are separate persons 2. Jesus prayed for the church to be one together, like he is with the Father, meaning perfectly connected, and he prayed for the church to be United based on the divine. Christian unity is rooted in the Divine. The idea itself comes from the Divine, and only a harmonious being like God could conceive and create such unity. This unity among Christians is possible and sustained only through a connection with the Divine. Without this connection, there would be no unity in the universe or among people. The Divine unity holds everything together-both the material world and the moral world. It serves as the model, foundation, and support for Christian unity. Christian unity is also a reflection of the Divine. Christ reflects the Father, and believers reflect Christ, making them, in a sense, a reflection of Divine unity. 3. They *DID* share a will The prayer mentioned (Matthew 26:39) Jesus demonstrates the human will of Christ. After all Jesus was fully human. He has his divine will (as seen when Jesus says he does not act independently from the Father, and saying anything the Father does he does) and he has with human will, demonstrated in this passage. Notice however his human will does not contradict the divine will of the Father
@@GaretAlan50 1. Oops. I speed read your comment and didn't absorb the part where you said "they share the same will, not that they are the same person". I get many Christians here who cite John 10v30 as "proof" that Jesus is God, so I assumed you were one of them. 2. No, Jesus and the FATHER do not share a will. Jesus only had his human will and nothing else. When Jesus said to the FATHER "Your Will be done, and not my will", he was putting God's Will over his own (human will). And when Jesus says he does the Father's will, it again means he SUBMITS to the Father's will, not that Jesus is himself God because he does the FATHER's will.
@@theologyroom All good brother, please slow down though so we can have a clear conversation Again, Jesus does have a human will, so we Agree on that. However the point of debate has shifted to if Jesus has a Godly will. Once again, Jesus says he does everything the Father does, and that he does not work independently from the Father, because they share a will. Jesus works identically to the Father. When Jesus says “not to do my will” that is in reference to his human will This is a great conversation and I’d love to continue it, but could you also address the challenge I posted at the bottom of first comment. The comment wasn’t addressed to you but you responded so I assumed you saw it. Stay safe
You say that because you won't allow yourself to dismiss the writings of Paul. Paul was a deceiver, much like Joseph Smith or Muhamad. The true word of God is found only in the Hebrew Bible! Christianity, Islam, Mormonism are all based on it, and they all perverted to their liking.
@lukedodge2754 Paul points out in 1 Corinthians 15:28 that the Son Jesus will become subject to God. 20But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23But each in his own turn: Christ the firstfruits; then at His coming, those who belong to Him. 24Then the end will come, when He hands over the kingdom to God the Father after He has destroyed all dominion, authority, and power. 25For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. 26The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27For “God has put everything under His feet.” Now when it says that everything has been put under Him, this clearly does not include the One who put everything under Him. 28And when all things have been subjected to Him, then the Son Himself will be made subject to Him who put all things under Him, so that God may be all in all. The trinity is 100% false doctrine and confusion and Paul and lesser prophets such as John are not authorities over God and/or his son Jesus Christ's personal testimonies about who they are. Trinitarian's mistake is that they try to give authority to the lesser prophets over God and his son Jesus' own personal words and testimonies even though the lesser prophets tell them not to do that very thing and point out how they are lesser. John 3:30 John says: "He must become greater; I must become less.” 1 Corinthians 15:9 Paul says: "For I am the least of the apostles and do not even deserve to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God." yet people try to put both of their testimonies before God saying "this is my son" and over Jesus personally saying that he is God's son and that God is his father.🙄🤦♂ Trinitarians are very clearly mistaken for doing so. It's so very obvious to us who actually know them and know the truth.
1. Ditch modern "bibles." They are corruptions of the Word. Use the Authorized King James Version. 2. A lot of these passages you're referencing occurred PRIOR to the resurrection. Jesus wasn't glorified yet. *2 Timothy 2:15 KJV* “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, *rightly dividing the word of truth."*
In John 20 :17, the resurrected Jesus informs us that he has a God. In Rev 3 :12, the glorified Jesus in heaven itself still has a God. Clearly, a 'God' who himself has a God is not the ultimate God.
you need to read the New Testament (esp the Book of John chap 1) the new testament speaks of the 3 in one all thru it --how can you say such a thing --you only show your ignorance by saying such a thing
@bettiedowty No, trinity is 100% false doctrine. Trinitarian's mistake is that they try to give authority to the lesser prophets over God and his son Jesus and their own personal words and testimonies even though the lesser prophets tell them not to do that very thing. If the lesser prophets fully know and knew God and his son Jesus then they would have been the Christ, fully known God and wouldn't have needed Christ. But they didn't and don't fully know or reveal who God is, that is and was done fully only through his son Jesus Christ. Matthew 11:27 “All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.
*1 Timothy 3:16 KJV*
“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: *God was manifest in the flesh,* justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”
1Timothy 3:16 is a known forgery. The original manuscript said "he was manifest in the flesh", which isn't proof of Jesus being God. But with a single pen stroke, it was changed to "God was manifest in the flesh". Look it up. That's why newer Bibles no longer say "God was manifest in the flesh" but instead "he was manifest in the flesh" or "which was manifest in the flesh".
@@theologyroom Liar! There are NO original manuscripts!
@@theologyroom
Modern bibles use corrupted manuscripts. KJV uses majority text.
*1 Timothy 3:16*
*GENEVA BIBLE*
“And without controuersie, great is the mysterie of godlinesse, which is, *God is manifested in the flesh,* iustified in the Spirit, seene of Angels, preached vnto the Gentiles, beleeued on in the world, and receiued vp in glorie.”
This Bible existed before the KJV!
I think you will find that in virtually all modern Bibles produced by Trinitarian publishing companies will say 'He' or 'He who' or 'who' as a result of textual criticism. The context of the verse clearly shows it is about Jesus and not God. When your own side no longer use this argument, it should raise a red flag.
*John 8:23-27 KJV*
“And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: *for if ye believe not that I AM HE, ye shall die in your sins.* Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, *Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.* I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him. They understood not that *HE SPAKE TO THEM OF THE FATHER.”*
If you believe that Jesus is a mere man then you have missed the entire point of the New Testament.
Jesus calls himself a "man" -- *"you are looking for a way to kill me, a MAN who has told you the truth that I heard from God" (John 8v48).* What am I supposed to do? Ignore him?
@@theologyroom Of course he was a man, a human being. Jesus Christ came in the flesh. Scripture makes this extremely clear. But he was not *just* a man; he was also divine. This is a fundamental teaching of the New Testament. I fell for the unitarian arguments, too, about fifteen years ago. But after much study and prayer, I realized my error. The Trinity doctrine is the only thing that makes sense of ALL Scripture -- both Old and New Testaments. I say this as someone who once was a vehement anti-Trinitarian.
Jesus Christ came in the flesh. True. But that doesn't mean it was God who came in the flesh. If you accept that, then you would also have to accept that Mary is the MOTHER of God. And you'll also have to accept that "God" is a descendant of David, after all "son of David" is one of Jesus' titles in the NT. These are some of the absurdities that trinitarianism leads to. Perhaps you should reconsider your beliefs.
@@theologyroom You're not thinking about this correctly. The Word, which was with God, and was God, was made flesh (John 1:1-14). That Jesus was, in a very real and literal way, God in the flesh, is such a basic, fundamental premise of Christianity that it's not even really debatable. Those who don't accept this are not really Christians.
What you are teaching is the same thing that Islam teaches. That Jesus was just a prophet of God. They even accept the virgin birth. But they absolutely deny that Jesus was in any way divine. So, you are teaching Islam. Do you realize that?
We are saved by God, and God alone. Both the Old and New Testaments make this clear. To worship a mere man, or to rely on a mere man for your salvation, would be blasphemy and idolatry. And yet, the books of Hebrews and Revelation both command us to worship Jesus. God didn't send a human being to do his dirty work for him. He came and did it himself. The only way you can have salvation is if you bow down to Jesus and call him "My Lord and my God" as Thomas did (John 20:28).
I can appreciate your struggles with this. I, too, had a really hard time with it many years ago. I'd be happy to correspond with you via email and we can have a friendly dialogue and think through things together. It's not really practical to carry on an extended conversation in the comments section. Let me know if you'd like to do this and I can temporarily post my email address.
I want to keep my mail ID private. And I also want my statements to be publicly available as it would be beneficial for other viewers. But if you don't want to use the comment section to talk, I've started a thread for you in the "community" section of my channel. ruclips.net/user/postUgkxhvOoNNENiGjwNgJDp9pK8hUgJu9afnwv
FYI, I used to be a Christian for around 15 years of my adult life before becoming a Muslim. I choose not to mention that history in any of my videos. Either way, I've done the homework. And my positions of Christian beliefs are not based on Islam or the Quran. Rather, they're based on the Bible itself as the Bible is enough to disprove Jesus' divinity and the trinity. I figured out that Jesus is not God long before I became Muslim. And no, teaching that Jesus is not God does NOT amount to teaching Islam because the idea that Jesus is not God is also held by other groups who use the Bible as scripture, like the Jehovah's Witnesses and Unitarian Christians.
I get that the divinity of Christ is a fundamental premise in Christianity, but I'm more interested in what the Bible actually says on the matter. And if we were to go by purely what the Bible says, without bringing in external concepts and philosophies, it points us to the fact that it's the FATHER who is the only true God who is to be worshipped, prayed to and obeyed. That's literally what Jesus said.
Jesus' plain teaching that the Father is the ONLY true God completely nullifies the idea that the SON can also be God. No verse or combination of verses can make the case that Jesus is also God. So the idea of Jesus' divinity is not Biblical. It's an extra-Biblical teaching that some people try and "prove" with with their own cleverness.
1 John 5:7 KJV
“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”
The red letters agree with the black ones.
Later Bibles translate 1John 5v7 very differently. Because that verse is absent from early Greek manuscripts. It was added in at a later time, i.e., it is a forgery.
@vinniebasile9404 No, they don't. The black and red letters very obviously don't line up. In revelation 1 it is very clearly pointed out that it is an angel speaking on behalf of the testimony of God and his son Jesus. Yet they put things in red as if it is Jesus personally speaking when it clearly isn't. 🙄
@@2JaysJayJohnson
*Revelation 1:8 KJV*
“I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, *SAITH THE LORD,* which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.”
It is still THE LORD speaking!
@@theologyroomModern bibles use corrupted manuscripts. KJV uses the majority text. Guess what! The Geneva Bible has this passage too!
1 John 5:7
*GENEVA BIBLE*
“For there are three, which beare recorde in heauen, the Father, the Worde, and the holy Ghost: and these three are one.”
@@vinniebasile9404 No, it's very clear that it is an angel speaking on behalf of God and on behalf of Lord Jesus (God's son). John is very clear about that in Revelation 1's
Prologue
1 The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending "HIS ANGEL" to his servant John, 2 who testifies to everything he saw-that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. 3 Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.
These words were very clearly given by his angel to John. So, it is deceptive to make it ambiguous by putting it in red as if it is Jesus directly speaking.
There are literally dozens of scriptures that differentiate Jesus from God in the NT. This is not surprising since the claim of the Evangelists was not that Jesus was God Almighty(He is never called this or Lord God in the gospels or Epistles) but that he was the Christ, the Son of God. This claim makes him one other than the God of israel. Given that the doctrine of the Trinity is post-apostolic and took until the end of the fourth century before taking its current and final shape, it is no surprise that it is not found anywhere in the Bible.
Anyone who reads the NT quickly sees that Jesus had a God to whom he prayed and gave worship. The Jesus of the NT died. Christianity is based on the resurrection claims. But of course, an immortal God cannot die.
It is very sad that so many would rather adhere to a doctrine espoused by later theologians schooled in middle platonism than believe the teachings of Jesus and his Apostles.
Trinitarians are more interested in preserving their heritage than following what Jesus actually said about the subject.
@@theologyroom : What would a lowly carpenter and a bunch of fishermen know? We should leave important matters of faith to those beloved Church Fathers and theologians, schooled in Greek philosophy. They were educated men.
*John 10:30-38 KJV*
*“I and my Father are one.* Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that *thou, being a man, makest thyself God.* Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because *I said, I am the Son of God?* If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that *the Father is in me, and I in him.”*
If Jesus and the Father are "one", then it follows that the Father was also crucified, and that the Father also took on the sins of man. Which is not what the Bible says. So John 10v30 isn't telling us that Jesus is one and the same as the Father, i.e., Jesus is not God.
This passage actually debunks the Trinity even harder, let me explain why. The Jews are saying that Jesus is claiming to be God, yet Jesus seems to be REFUTING them by quoting Psalm 82, then subsequently claiming that he isn't being blasphemous because he is merely claiming to be God's Son. If Jesus was God, why would he be refuting their claim?
Fun fact. In John's account, the Pharisees accused Jesus of claiming to be God. But in chapter 18, where Jesus is arrested and is interrogated by the Jewish leaders, the premise that Jesus was "guilty" of claiming to be God is never brought up. It's as if their memories were wiped clean and they all forgot that Jesus committed such a heinous sin. Instead the Jewish high priest just asks Jesus about his followers and what he had been teaching them. But the other 3 gospels have a different account. Mark 14, Matthew 26 and Luke 22 which cover the trial of Jesus, tell us that Jesus was accused of blasphemy because he claimed to be the Messiah -- NOT God.
@@theologyroom If you actually understood what it means to be the Messiah, you would realize that you just debunked yourself...
The Messiah isn't God.
The bible is clear that Jesus is God
# Elohim is plural
The word 'God' is a plural word. The original Hebrew word used for God is Elohim. What is interesting is Elohim is a plural word. For example Cherub and Seraph are two singular words for 2 kinds of angels. To describe more of them you would use Cherubim and Seraphim.
So though God is a singular character, there is a plurality to Him. We see this more in Genesis 1:26-27 "Let US make man in Our image, according to Our likeness......So God created man in His own image".
So in the bible God is immediately introduced as a character with some kind of plural aspect to Himself which is why he said us and our.
# The holy spirit is God
Peter asked Ananias why he is lying to the Holy Spirit. Then explains that has not lied not just to man but to God. Therefore, we know the Holy Spirit is God.
Acts 5:3-4 “Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? 4 Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.”
# Jesus precedes creation
The bible tells us that Jesus is the word and the word is God which tells us Jesus was there from the beginning
John 1:1, 14 - “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. ... And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth; we have beheld his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father.”
Colossians 1:16 tells us that everything was made THROUGH and FOR Jesus
“ For in Him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through Him and for Him”
# Jesus is called God and saviour
God says that there is No Savior besides Him in Isaiah 43:11 "I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior."
And yet what do the disciples refer to Jesus as multiple times throughout scripture? My Lord and my Savior. Jesus never once stops His disciples when they call Him savior.
Peter called Jesus God and saviour:
2 Peter 1:1 - ... our God and Savior Jesus Christ
Thomas called Jesus God:
John 20:28 - Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”
Paul called Jesus God and saviour:
Titus 2:13 “while we wait for the blessed hope-the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ”
The Father calls Jesus God:
Hebrews 1:8 - “But of the Son he says, ‘Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever, the righteous scepter is the scepter of thy kingdom.”
# Jesus says He is God
Jesus claims equality with the Father John 10:30 - "I and the Father are one."
In John 8:58 Jesus says "before Abraham was born, I am!". They wanted to stone Jesus for this, why? Because He was making Himself to be EQUAL to God
God says in Isaiah 44:6 “...I am the first and I am the last, and apart from me there is no God”. Then Jesus says in Revelations 22:13 “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End”.
# Jesus accepted worship and worship only belongs to God
In Exodus 34:14 God tells us that you should worship only Him. “Do not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.”
Jesus repeats this commandment in Matthew 4:10 - Then Jesus said to him, “Away with you, Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.’ ”
In Revelations22:8-9 the angles refused worship and say they are fellow servants just like you and that you should worship God. “Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things. 9 Then he said to me, ‘See that you do not do that. [b]For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God.’”
In Acts 10:25-26 Peter also refused worship and said don't do that, Im also a man. ‘As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.”’
Yet in Hebrews 1:6 God tells His angels to worship Jesus. ‘But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: “Let all the angels of God worship Him.”’
In fact not once does Jesus rebuke His disciples or people from falling down at His feet and worshipping Him as the angels and Peter did:
All verse of Jesus being worshiped:
John 9:35-38 - ‘35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when He had found him, He said to him, “Do you believe in the Son of God?” 36 He answered and said, “Who is He, Lord, that I may believe in Him?” 37 And Jesus said to him, “You have both seen Him and it is He who is talking with you.” 38 Then he said, “Lord, I believe!” And he worshiped Him.’
Matt 2:11 - ‘And when they had come into the house, they saw the young Child with Mary His mother, and fell down and worshiped Him. And when they had opened their treasures, they presented gifts to Him: gold, frankincense, and myrrh.’
Matt 8:2 - ‘And behold, a leper came and worshiped Him, saying, “Lord, if You are willing, You can make me clean.”’
Matt 9:18 - ‘While He spoke these things to them, behold, a ruler came and worshiped Him, saying, “My daughter has just died, but come and lay Your hand on her and she will live.”’
Matt 14:33 - ‘Then those who were in the boat came and worshiped Him, saying, “Truly You are the Son of God.”’
Matt 15:25 - ‘Then she came and worshiped Him, saying, “Lord, help me!”’
Matt 28:9,17 - ‘9 And as they went to tell His disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, “Rejoice!” So they came and held Him by the feet and worshiped Him.
17 When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted.’
Mark 5:6 - “When he saw Jesus from afar, he ran and worshiped Him.”
Luke 24:52 - “And they worshiped Him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy”
Jesus Himself tells us to worship Him in John 5:23 - "that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him."
# Baptism
In Matt 28:19 New believers should be baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit - “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit”
Elohim is not plural. The Bible defines God as one person -- an absolute ONE -- and not three-in-one or a plurality. Had that been the case, then the jews would have been the first trinitarians, a thousand years before Christ. Moreover, the New Testament has Jesus himself saying that the FATHER is the only true God, and that it is the FATHER who is to be worshipped, prayed to and obeyed. One would have to ignore Jesus' words to believe God is a trinity.
@@theologyroom Elohim is absolutely plural. It is understood in the singular sense, but the word is grammatically plural. And further more, you seem to ignore everything else that I have stated that proves you wrong. God even says US and Our.
@@blackwatch4709 If "Elohim" referred to multiple persons being God then the Jews, who speak and understand Hebrew, would have figured it out a long time ago. The fact that they haven't done so indicates YOUR understanding of the subject is flawed and so your argument falls flat.
As for the rest of your post, you've simply copy pasted the same old trinitarian talking points that have been debunked before by many. If there is anything specific that you want me to address, let me know.
@@theologyroom Oh please, make your excuses
Those that believe in the trinity do not read the whole Bible
They focus on the verses their pastors give them and promote
If it’s a popular belief, it’s not true
Clearly you do not read it either because the teaching of the trinity is crystal clear
@@blackwatch4709 : Seriously? Can you show me a single verse that says God exists as one essence/substance but three 'persons'? Can you show me a scripture that says God is three persons? Can you show me a scripture where Jesus or his disciples introduce or defend the Trinity doctrine, a doctrine unknown to Jews.
@@VoiceofTruth-iv8pq
# Elohim is plural
The word 'God' is a plural word. The original Hebrew word used for God is Elohim. What is interesting is Elohim is a plural word. For example Cherub and Seraph are two singular words for 2 kinds of angels. To describe more of them you would use Cherubim and Seraphim.
So though God is a singular character, there is a plurality to Him. We see this more in Genesis 1:26-27 "Let US make man in Our image, according to Our likeness......So God created man in His own image".
So in the bible God is immediately introduced as a character with some kind of plural aspect to Himself which is why he said us and our.
# The holy spirit is God
Peter asked Ananias why he is lying to the Holy Spirit. Then explains that has not lied not just to man but to God. Therefore, we know the Holy Spirit is God.
Acts 5:3-4 “Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? 4 Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.”
# Jesus precedes creation
The bible tells us that Jesus is the word and the word is God which tells us Jesus was there from the beginning
John 1:1, 14 - “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. ... And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth; we have beheld his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father.”
Colossians 1:16 tells us that everything was made THROUGH and FOR Jesus
“ For in Him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through Him and for Him”
# Jesus is called God and saviour
God says that there is No Savior besides Him in Isaiah 43:11 "I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior."
And yet what do the disciples refer to Jesus as multiple times throughout scripture? My Lord and my Savior. Jesus never once stops His disciples when they call Him savior.
Peter called Jesus God and saviour:
2 Peter 1:1 - ... our God and Savior Jesus Christ
Thomas called Jesus God:
John 20:28 - Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”
Paul called Jesus God and saviour:
Titus 2:13 “while we wait for the blessed hope-the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ”
The Father calls Jesus God:
Hebrews 1:8 - “But of the Son he says, ‘Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever, the righteous scepter is the scepter of thy kingdom.”
# Jesus says He is God
Jesus claims equality with the Father John 10:30 - "I and the Father are one."
In John 8:58 Jesus says "before Abraham was born, I am!". They wanted to stone Jesus for this, why? Because He was making Himself to be EQUAL to God
God says in Isaiah 44:6 “...I am the first and I am the last, and apart from me there is no God”. Then Jesus says in Revelations 22:13 “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End”.
# Jesus accepted worship and worship only belongs to God
In Exodus 34:14 God tells us that you should worship only Him. “Do not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.”
Jesus repeats this commandment in Matthew 4:10 - Then Jesus said to him, “Away with you, Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.’ ”
In Revelations22:8-9 the angles refused worship and say they are fellow servants just like you and that you should worship God. “Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things. 9 Then he said to me, ‘See that you do not do that. [b]For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God.’”
In Acts 10:25-26 Peter also refused worship and said don't do that, Im also a man. ‘As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.”’
Yet in Hebrews 1:6 God tells His angels to worship Jesus. ‘But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: “Let all the angels of God worship Him.”’
Now why on earth would the Father (God), who said worship Him only, have His angels worship Jesus? It makes no sense, unless of course Jesus is God.
In fact not once does Jesus rebuke His disciples or people from falling down at His feet and worshipping Him as the angels and Peter did.
All verse of Jesus being worshiped:
John 9:35-38 - ‘35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when He had found him, He said to him, “Do you believe in the Son of God?” 36 He answered and said, “Who is He, Lord, that I may believe in Him?” 37 And Jesus said to him, “You have both seen Him and it is He who is talking with you.” 38 Then he said, “Lord, I believe!” And he worshiped Him.’
Matt 2:11 - ‘And when they had come into the house, they saw the young Child with Mary His mother, and fell down and worshiped Him. And when they had opened their treasures, they presented gifts to Him: gold, frankincense, and myrrh.’
Matt 8:2 - ‘And behold, a leper came and worshiped Him, saying, “Lord, if You are willing, You can make me clean.”’
Matt 9:18 - ‘While He spoke these things to them, behold, a ruler came and worshiped Him, saying, “My daughter has just died, but come and lay Your hand on her and she will live.”’
Matt 14:33 - ‘Then those who were in the boat came and worshiped Him, saying, “Truly You are the Son of God.”’
Matt 15:25 - ‘Then she came and worshiped Him, saying, “Lord, help me!”’
Matt 28:9,17 - ‘9 And as they went to tell His disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, “Rejoice!” So they came and held Him by the feet and worshiped Him.
17 When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted.’
Mark 5:6 - “When he saw Jesus from afar, he ran and worshiped Him.”
Luke 24:52 - “And they worshiped Him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy”
Jesus Himself tells us to worship Him in John 5:23 - "that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him."
# Baptism
In Matt 28:19 New believers should be baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit - “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit”
Baptize in the name of, not names of.
The bible is unequivocally clear that God is a triune God. You either speak out of ignorance or just plain refuse to accept the truth. That is your problem, not mine.
@@VoiceofTruth-iv8pq
# Elohim is plural
The word 'God' is a plural word. The original Hebrew word used for God is Elohim. What is interesting is Elohim is a plural word. For example Cherub and Seraph are two singular words for 2 kinds of angels. To describe more of them you would use Cherubim and Seraphim.
So though God is a singular character, there is a plurality to Him. We see this more in Genesis 1:26-27 "Let US make man in Our image, according to Our likeness......So God created man in His own image".
So in the bible God is immediately introduced as a character with some kind of plural aspect to Himself which is why he said us and our.
# The holy spirit is God
Peter asked Ananias why he is lying to the Holy Spirit. Then explains that has not lied not just to man but to God. Therefore, we know the Holy Spirit is God.
Acts 5:3-4 “Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? 4 Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.”
# Jesus precedes creation
The bible tells us that Jesus is the word and the word is God which tells us Jesus was there from the beginning
John 1:1, 14 - “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. ... And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth; we have beheld his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father.”
Colossians 1:16 tells us that everything was made THROUGH and FOR Jesus
“ For in Him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through Him and for Him”
# Jesus is called God and saviour
God says that there is No Savior besides Him in Isaiah 43:11 "I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior."
And yet what do the disciples refer to Jesus as multiple times throughout scripture? My Lord and my Savior. Jesus never once stops His disciples when they call Him savior.
Peter called Jesus God and saviour:
2 Peter 1:1 - ... our God and Savior Jesus Christ
Thomas called Jesus God:
John 20:28 - Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”
Paul called Jesus God and saviour:
Titus 2:13 “while we wait for the blessed hope-the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ”
The Father calls Jesus God:
Hebrews 1:8 - “But of the Son he says, ‘Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever, the righteous scepter is the scepter of thy kingdom.”
# Jesus says He is God
Jesus claims equality with the Father John 10:30 - "I and the Father are one."
In John 8:58 Jesus says "before Abraham was born, I am!". They wanted to stone Jesus for this, why? Because He was making Himself to be EQUAL to God
God says in Isaiah 44:6 “...I am the first and I am the last, and apart from me there is no God”. Then Jesus says in Revelations 22:13 “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End”.
# Jesus accepted worship and worship only belongs to God
In Exodus 34:14 God tells us that you should worship only Him. “Do not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.”
Jesus repeats this commandment in Matthew 4:10 - Then Jesus said to him, “Away with you, Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.’ ”
In Revelations22:8-9 the angles refused worship and say they are fellow servants just like you and that you should worship God. “Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things. 9 Then he said to me, ‘See that you do not do that. [b]For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God.’”
In Acts 10:25-26 Peter also refused worship and said don't do that, Im also a man. ‘As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.”’
Yet in Hebrews 1:6 God tells His angels to worship Jesus. ‘But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: “Let all the angels of God worship Him.”’
Now why on earth would the Father (God), who said worship Him only, have His angels worship Jesus? It makes no sense, unless of course Jesus is God.
In fact not once does Jesus rebuke His disciples or people from falling down at His feet and worshipping Him as the angels and Peter did.
All verse of Jesus being worshiped:
John 9:35-38 - ‘35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when He had found him, He said to him, “Do you believe in the Son of God?” 36 He answered and said, “Who is He, Lord, that I may believe in Him?” 37 And Jesus said to him, “You have both seen Him and it is He who is talking with you.” 38 Then he said, “Lord, I believe!” And he worshiped Him.’
Matt 2:11 - ‘And when they had come into the house, they saw the young Child with Mary His mother, and fell down and worshiped Him. And when they had opened their treasures, they presented gifts to Him: gold, frankincense, and myrrh.’
Matt 8:2 - ‘And behold, a leper came and worshiped Him, saying, “Lord, if You are willing, You can make me clean.”’
Matt 9:18 - ‘While He spoke these things to them, behold, a ruler came and worshiped Him, saying, “My daughter has just died, but come and lay Your hand on her and she will live.”’
Matt 14:33 - ‘Then those who were in the boat came and worshiped Him, saying, “Truly You are the Son of God.”’
Matt 15:25 - ‘Then she came and worshiped Him, saying, “Lord, help me!”’
Matt 28:9,17 - ‘9 And as they went to tell His disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, “Rejoice!” So they came and held Him by the feet and worshiped Him.
17 When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted.’
Mark 5:6 - “When he saw Jesus from afar, he ran and worshiped Him.”
Luke 24:52 - “And they worshiped Him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy”
Jesus Himself tells us to worship Him in John 5:23 - "that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him."
# Baptism
In Matt 28:19 New believers should be baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit - “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit”
Baptize in the name of, not names of.
The bible is unequivocally clear that God is a triune God.
@@VoiceofTruth-iv8pq
# Elohim is plural
The word 'God' is a plural word. The original Hebrew word used for God is Elohim. What is interesting is Elohim is a plural word. For example Cherub and Seraph are two singular words for 2 kinds of angels. To describe more of them you would use Cherubim and Seraphim.
So though God is a singular character, there is a plurality to Him. We see this more in Genesis 1:26-27 "Let US make man in Our image, according to Our likeness......So God created man in His own image".
So in the bible God is immediately introduced as a character with some kind of plural aspect to Himself which is why he said us and our.
# The holy spirit is God
Peter asked Ananias why he is lying to the Holy Spirit. Then explains that has not lied not just to man but to God. Therefore, we know the Holy Spirit is God.
Acts 5:3-4 “Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? 4 Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.”
# Jesus precedes creation
The bible tells us that Jesus is the word and the word is God which tells us Jesus was there from the beginning
John 1:1, 14 - “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. ... And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth; we have beheld his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father.”
Colossians 1:16 tells us that everything was made THROUGH and FOR Jesus
“ For in Him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through Him and for Him”
# Jesus is called God and saviour
God says that there is No Savior besides Him in Isaiah 43:11 "I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior."
And yet what do the disciples refer to Jesus as multiple times throughout scripture? My Lord and my Savior. Jesus never once stops His disciples when they call Him savior.
Peter called Jesus God and saviour:
2 Peter 1:1 - ... our God and Savior Jesus Christ
Thomas called Jesus God:
John 20:28 - Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”
Paul called Jesus God and saviour:
Titus 2:13 “while we wait for the blessed hope-the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ”
The Father calls Jesus God:
Hebrews 1:8 - “But of the Son he says, ‘Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever, the righteous scepter is the scepter of thy kingdom.”
# Jesus says He is God
Jesus claims equality with the Father John 10:30 - "I and the Father are one."
In John 8:58 Jesus says "before Abraham was born, I am!". They wanted to stone Jesus for this, why? Because He was making Himself to be EQUAL to God
God says in Isaiah 44:6 “...I am the first and I am the last, and apart from me there is no God”. Then Jesus says in Revelations 22:13 “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End”.
# Jesus accepted worship and worship only belongs to God
In Exodus 34:14 God tells us that you should worship only Him. “Do not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.”
Jesus repeats this commandment in Matthew 4:10 - Then Jesus said to him, “Away with you, Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.’ ”
In Revelations22:8-9 the angles refused worship and say they are fellow servants just like you and that you should worship God. “Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things. 9 Then he said to me, ‘See that you do not do that. [b]For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God.’”
In Acts 10:25-26 Peter also refused worship and said don't do that, Im also a man. ‘As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.”’
Yet in Hebrews 1:6 God tells His angels to worship Jesus. ‘But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: “Let all the angels of God worship Him.”’
In fact not once does Jesus rebuke His disciples or people from falling down at His feet and worshipping Him as the angels and Peter did:
All verse of Jesus being worshiped:
John 9:35-38 - ‘35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when He had found him, He said to him, “Do you believe in the Son of God?” 36 He answered and said, “Who is He, Lord, that I may believe in Him?” 37 And Jesus said to him, “You have both seen Him and it is He who is talking with you.” 38 Then he said, “Lord, I believe!” And he worshiped Him.’
Matt 2:11 - ‘And when they had come into the house, they saw the young Child with Mary His mother, and fell down and worshiped Him. And when they had opened their treasures, they presented gifts to Him: gold, frankincense, and myrrh.’
Matt 8:2 - ‘And behold, a leper came and worshiped Him, saying, “Lord, if You are willing, You can make me clean.”’
Matt 9:18 - ‘While He spoke these things to them, behold, a ruler came and worshiped Him, saying, “My daughter has just died, but come and lay Your hand on her and she will live.”’
Matt 14:33 - ‘Then those who were in the boat came and worshiped Him, saying, “Truly You are the Son of God.”’
Matt 15:25 - ‘Then she came and worshiped Him, saying, “Lord, help me!”’
Matt 28:9,17 - ‘9 And as they went to tell His disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, “Rejoice!” So they came and held Him by the feet and worshiped Him.
17 When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted.’
Mark 5:6 - “When he saw Jesus from afar, he ran and worshiped Him.”
Luke 24:52 - “And they worshiped Him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy”
Jesus Himself tells us to worship Him in John 5:23 - "that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him."
# Baptism
In Matt 28:19 New believers should be baptized in the name (name, not names) of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit - “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit”
Jesus is the God of the OT - plenty of OT and NT verses that show this. Earth was Jesus creation who was guided by the Father. Kind of like you and your dad building a car and while he doesn't do it for you, he guides you through the whole process. That's why Jesus gives all credit and glory to the father. "God" Is ultimately a family unit. They are of the same mind and will, led by the father. As others have stated Jesus and the Father are one - the Fathers commandments are what Jesus speaks.
Bad representation, but very similar to the mobster family mentality of "you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us". The holy spirit is the nurturing component of the family unit which is why the only unforgivable sin is blaspheming the Holy Spirit.
No, my friend. There's nothing in the Bible that says God is a family unit. Trinitarians explain God that way, but according to the Bible, God is always described as a single person, i.e., the FATHER. That's why He says things like " I alone stretched out the heavens" (Isaiah 44v22), not "we stretched out the heavens"; and "I am the LORD, and there is no other" (Isaiah 45v3), not "we are the LORD...".
Also, the members of the trinity do not have the same will and mind. That's why Jesus does the FATHER's will, but never the other way round. And that's also why the FATHER knows many things that the "son" doesn't.
why did Jesus call the Father “the one true God” is Jesus saying he isn’t God? Of course not!
In John 10:27-28, Jesus calls the people "My sheep," says they are "in My hand," and that He gives them eternal life. Deuteronomy 32:39 and Psalm 95:6-7 say the Father is the only one who gives life and that believers are in His hand. By saying the sheep are in His hand, Jesus implies unity with the Father.
In John 10:29-30, Jesus says, "I and the Father are one." The Greek word used here is “esmen” means they share the same will, not that they are the same person. indicating they are united in power to protect, though they are distinct persons. Jesus must be God Almighty, but He is not the Father. They share this divine ability, which led the Jews to accuse Jesus of blasphemy.
So John 17 doesn’t exclude the Son and Holy Spirit as true God but distinguishes the Father from false gods.
Jesus affirms His unity with the Father, sharing the same divine being, though they are different persons. The term "God" refers to a being, not a person. The being of God includes the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Thus, when Jesus calls the Father "the one true God," He isn’t excluding Himself, as He is also part of that divine being.
1.Jesus called the Father "ONLY true God", which means Jesus "the son", was NOT God. So yes, Jesus was denying that he was God. Since the FATHER is the only true God, then other persons (Jesus, Holy spirit and everyone else) are excluded from the category of "God".
2. In John 10v30, Jesus is "one" with the Father in the same way that Jesus prays for his followers to be "one" with each other (John 17v21), i.e., they're just one in purpose, not literally one. If you believe Jesus and the Father are literally one, then you must admit that the FATHER took on the sins of mankind and died on the cross. Obviously, you won't because that's not what Christianity teaches.
3. Jesus and the FATHER did not share the same will. This is easily proved by the verse where Jesus prays to the Father saying "let your will be done, not mine" (Matthew 26v39) and also the verses where Jesus says he does the will of the FATHER, and not his own will (John 6v38 and John 4v34).
@@theologyroom
1. I quite literally just explained that Jesus claimed equality with the Father by claiming he does *EVERYTHING* the Father does, and is United in ability to protect the sheep. If you actually read my reply you would see I literally said they are separate persons
2. Jesus prayed for the church to be one together, like he is with the Father, meaning perfectly connected, and he prayed for the church to be United based on the divine.
Christian unity is rooted in the Divine. The idea itself comes from the Divine, and only a harmonious being like God could conceive and create such unity. This unity among Christians is possible and sustained only through a connection with the Divine. Without this connection, there would be no unity in the universe or among people. The Divine unity holds everything together-both the material world and the moral world. It serves as the model, foundation, and support for Christian unity.
Christian unity is also a reflection of the Divine. Christ reflects the Father, and believers reflect Christ, making them, in a sense, a reflection of Divine unity.
3. They *DID* share a will
The prayer mentioned (Matthew 26:39) Jesus demonstrates the human will of Christ. After all Jesus was fully human. He has his divine will (as seen when Jesus says he does not act independently from the Father, and saying anything the Father does he does) and he has with human will, demonstrated in this passage. Notice however his human will does not contradict the divine will of the Father
@@GaretAlan50 1. Oops. I speed read your comment and didn't absorb the part where you said "they share the same will, not that they are the same person". I get many Christians here who cite John 10v30 as "proof" that Jesus is God, so I assumed you were one of them.
2. No, Jesus and the FATHER do not share a will. Jesus only had his human will and nothing else. When Jesus said to the FATHER "Your Will be done, and not my will", he was putting God's Will over his own (human will). And when Jesus says he does the Father's will, it again means he SUBMITS to the Father's will, not that Jesus is himself God because he does the FATHER's will.
@@theologyroom All good brother, please slow down though so we can have a clear conversation
Again, Jesus does have a human will, so we Agree on that. However the point of debate has shifted to if Jesus has a Godly will.
Once again, Jesus says he does everything the Father does, and that he does not work independently from the Father, because they share a will. Jesus works identically to the Father. When Jesus says “not to do my will” that is in reference to his human will
This is a great conversation and I’d love to continue it, but could you also address the challenge I posted at the bottom of first comment. The comment wasn’t addressed to you but you responded so I assumed you saw it.
Stay safe
@@theologyroom hello
Great video as usual!
your like the cult lady at the end of Hereditary
There is the Kingdom of God and God's son and daughter are the Kingdom of Heaven.
Then why did Jesus himself come to Paul to reveal the gospel after he rose from the grave and ascended... ??
You say that because you won't allow yourself to dismiss the writings of Paul.
Paul was a deceiver, much like Joseph Smith or Muhamad.
The true word of God is found only in the Hebrew Bible! Christianity, Islam, Mormonism are all based on it, and they all perverted to their liking.
@lukedodge2754 Paul points out in 1 Corinthians 15:28 that the Son Jesus will become subject to God. 20But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23But each in his own turn: Christ the firstfruits; then at His coming, those who belong to Him.
24Then the end will come, when He hands over the kingdom to God the Father after He has destroyed all dominion, authority, and power. 25For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. 26The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27For “God has put everything under His feet.” Now when it says that everything has been put under Him, this clearly does not include the One who put everything under Him. 28And when all things have been subjected to Him, then the Son Himself will be made subject to Him who put all things under Him, so that God may be all in all.
The trinity is 100% false doctrine and confusion and Paul and lesser prophets such as John are not authorities over God and/or his son Jesus Christ's personal testimonies about who they are. Trinitarian's mistake is that they try to give authority to the lesser prophets over God and his son Jesus' own personal words and testimonies even though the lesser prophets tell them not to do that very thing and point out how they are lesser. John 3:30 John says: "He must become greater; I must become less.” 1 Corinthians 15:9 Paul says: "For I am the least of the apostles and do not even deserve to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God." yet people try to put both of their testimonies before God saying "this is my son" and over Jesus personally saying that he is God's son and that God is his father.🙄🤦♂ Trinitarians are very clearly mistaken for doing so. It's so very obvious to us who actually know them and know the truth.
1. Ditch modern "bibles." They are corruptions of the Word. Use the Authorized King James Version.
2. A lot of these passages you're referencing occurred PRIOR to the resurrection. Jesus wasn't glorified yet.
*2 Timothy 2:15 KJV*
“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, *rightly dividing the word of truth."*
king james is corrupt. Use the Geneva bible it is the first completed bible before it was tampered with by kings and romans.
In John 20 :17, the resurrected Jesus informs us that he has a God. In Rev 3 :12, the glorified Jesus in heaven itself still has a God. Clearly, a 'God' who himself has a God is not the ultimate God.
you need to read the New Testament (esp the Book of John chap 1) the new testament speaks of the 3 in one all thru it --how can you say such a thing --you only show your ignorance by saying such a thing
@bettiedowty No, trinity is 100% false doctrine. Trinitarian's mistake is that they try to give authority to the lesser prophets over God and his son Jesus and their own personal words and testimonies even though the lesser prophets tell them not to do that very thing. If the lesser prophets fully know and knew God and his son Jesus then they would have been the Christ, fully known God and wouldn't have needed Christ. But they didn't and don't fully know or reveal who God is, that is and was done fully only through his son Jesus Christ. Matthew 11:27 “All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.
Can you please list any scriptures where the "new testament speaks of the 3 in one all thru it".